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The name Black Is The New Black really made me smile. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
I think we're on the edge of a revolution. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Boom! | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
We have our own thing. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
And it's really rich. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
We're the influencers, the tastemakers. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Remember when we invented jazz and you didn't know what it was? | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Well, now we're going to do something else. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
I've never really seen myself as an immigrant. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
I see myself as a person. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
I'm proud to be black. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
I've never cared to be any other way. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
Everybody wants to be us, but they only want the good parts of being us. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
They want our physicality, they want our musicality. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Selling our culture, it's like one big hustle. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
They want our talent, they want our dancing skills, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
they want our singing skills. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
Music hasn't got no colour. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
The oppressed always find a way to celebrate, right? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
It's a great feeling. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
We are people of talent, people of vision, people of passion. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
There's a great seam of British success. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
When it stands out, it is dazzling. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
And we should celebrate it. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
We should celebrate it. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
This programme contains very strong language. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:25 | |
I am Gina Yashere. I'm a comedian. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
My mum and dad came from Nigeria. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Both my parents are from Barbados. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
My mum's from Ghana, my dad's from Nigeria. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
My father was Antiguan. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
The wonderful island, the jewel of the Caribbean, as we say. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
'We have different opinions.' | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
As you do. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
My parents are Nigerian. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
St Lucia. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
Jamaica. You go to St Ann, you turn right and you go into Bush. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
Turn left at the clock tower, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
two men playing dominoes on a box next to a goat. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Ask for Mrs Harris. The shop is there. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Until I came to this country, I hadn't any Afro-Caribbean... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Caribbean friends. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
There is a wonderful Uganda proverb. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
And it says, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
"The person who has never travelled | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
"thinks that their mother is the best cook." | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
I think I was four when the present | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Queen was enthroned, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
and we had a tiny little transistor radio, so we were able, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
through the World Service, to actually hear the entire service. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
When the national anthem came on, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
my dad used to make us all to stand. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
I was born in Trinidad, in the West Indies, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
which is right at the long end of | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
a nice geographical chain which ends up | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
almost on the South American continental shelf. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
My parents were not what I would call, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
sort of, formally educated people. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
My father was an engineer at the oil refinery. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
We were all pretty poor, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and so there was a natural aspiration to get out of that kind of poverty. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
That was a very important part of West Indian life - | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
you had to try to make something of yourself. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
Trinidad would not be your, kind of, ultimate destination. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
We were colonies of the British Empire. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
We learned a lot about the history | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
of how the people in Britain are governed - | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
far, far more than about my own country, Uganda. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
We knew the English laws, we knew their customs, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
we knew their history, we knew their tradition. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Britain was better and more | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
powerful, and when, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
you know, the "Great" was in | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
Great Britain and all that. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
"Let's go to this place." | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
'Wonderful.' | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
My parents were pioneers, but it's not something they chose. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
My mother, from Zimbabwe, she was working in Zambia as a midwife, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:53 | |
and my dad, Nick Newton from Cornwall, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
he had decided that he wanted to find the root of the blues, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
and he felt that it was Africa. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
They met and fell in love. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
Think about it - mid-'60s, you fall in love with an African woman, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
you want to marry that woman, bring her back to Cornwall, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
which is SO not African... | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
You are fucking cool, man. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
My dad is... | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
I mean, he really broke the mould. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
I then think about my mother. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
You know. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
She's a warrior, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
because it wasn't like having stones thrown through the window, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
it was the mind-fucking, and it was the... | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
The kind of feeling of needing to look over your shoulder, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
and she responded to that by just keeping things small. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
The name is Bill Morris. I'm a member of the House of Lords. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
The significance of the photograph - | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
it was the day that I was declared General Secretary | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
of the Transport and General Workers Union. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
My privilege was to lead that union for 12 years, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
and I'm grateful for that opportunity. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
I trust I've left something behind. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
When I came to England back in 1954 as a 16-year-old boy, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
it was a journey of experience. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
I'd wake up in the morning | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
and there was smoke coming out of the chimneys. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
I'd never seen a chimney before. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
I thought the house was on fire, you know. These are the sort of things. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
It was at a point where housing was your first challenge, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
and it got to the point where | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
renting a room, a whole room, was a luxury. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
You'd be renting a bed | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
and you woke up at four o'clock in the morning | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
and you've never seen the guy next-door to you. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
My mum, when she first arrived, she was ill-equipped. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
She didn't come with the right clothes. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
So she had on a light jacket, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
and arriving in November in '64, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
a light jacket was definitely not the right attire, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
so my mum spent a lot of the winter cold. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
I couldn't understand what the romance about snow was all about. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
I always hated the winters. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
This business of overcoats and so | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
many pockets and so on, you can't... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
I can't get myself in and out of them. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
I'm still struggling with... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
..winters and how to dress in them. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
My name is Patricia Scotland. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
I'm the Secretary General of the Commonwealth, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
the 53 countries, which encapsulates 2.3 billion people. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
My mother was a real lady, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
and looking at Paddington in 1958 was a big shock to her. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:09 | |
People didn't bathe every day. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
My mother was used to bathing | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
sometimes three times a day, changing for lunch, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
changing for dinner, and my mother had help in the house, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
and she was amongst people | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
who had behaviour that had her eyes out on stalks. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
I think she thought Daddy | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
had brought her to Sodom and Gomorrah. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
You know, I remember my mother talking about her being shocked at | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
British people who didn't know Shakespeare | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
and didn't know about the Magna Carta, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
cos they'd been raised on all that stuff, you know. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
She hadn't seen a fleck of snow but she'd read The Winter's Tale. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
Britain had been sold as a kind of magical place - it was Oz. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
There was a notion that the streets of Britain were paved in gold, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
and I'm sure my parents were, you know, were bought on that illusion. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
INTERVIEWER: Yeah. What did they find? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Racism. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
In those days, when my parents arrived, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
there were still signs saying... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
"No dogs... | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
"No Irish... | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
"And no blacks." I think they used to say "no coloureds" in those days. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
One of the things I'd say is I really don't like remembering | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
some of those times, but I was subject to racist attack. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:36 | |
I was literally attacked, beaten up and bloodied. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
You would be silly to go out on your own. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
We used to go in groups and, in many instances, we didn't go at all. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
Both my parents found that with kind words, kind actions, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
eventually the frost thawed, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
and I think it was the early '70s where the wheat crop had failed | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
and people were on strike and people were unhappy. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
West Indians, of course, had their own bread, hard-dough bread, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
so they just carried on as normal. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
And the interest of English people going, "Oh, what's that? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
"Is that your bread? Oh, can I try a bit?" | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Food - always the way - | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
opened the door slowly to interactions | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
between the West Indian community and the English community | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
in Wolverhampton, yeah. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
-Holding it up in front of you and you're looking into the main camera. -OK. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
That's when I was a little less black. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
That's early days. I'm about 17, 18 in that picture. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
That was the uniform, the Nike tracksuit. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Family life was loud, chaotic, cos there was five of us. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
My oldest sister's eight years older than me, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
so she felt like a second mother figure | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
while my mum was out working. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
I was one of them kids that'd be in and out of everyone's houses. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Everyone was my brother or my cousin or... You know what I mean? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
We played and we fought and I shared a room with my older sister, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
which was horrible because I wasn't allowed to touch any of her stuff, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
so I'd try and sneak and play all of her Rick James records, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
and then she'd come back and it was like a scene out of Misery. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
She'd know that I'd moved something a millimetre and then beat the hell | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
out of me, so it was not fun sharing with my older sister. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
It was always about food. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
"What are you eating? How much you ate?" | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
We were a very popular family. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
People were always in our house, in the West Indian front room, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
playing music and having fun. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
You'd come home from school | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
and there'd be no furniture in your living room | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
or in your front room, and suddenly a man with two massive speakers, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
two turntables and a microphone would show up, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
put it in the corner, and there'd be a dance in your house. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Really loud music that would go on till six o'clock in the morning. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
Your mum would cook curried goat and rice, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
and there'd be a bar that people would have to pay money to... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
And there'd be like a club in your house. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
And they were chatting over a mic. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
"Go on, sister, move your backside." | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
I was always the joker, always the clown. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Always playing sport. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
What did stand out for me, I remember, back in the day, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
was the West Indian cricket team. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Me and my dad, we'd sit there for hours | 0:12:34 | 0:12:35 | |
and I'd come home from school and Greenwich would still be batting | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
and you'd watch Viv Richards just clart people round the pitch, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and that was the first real image of successful, dominating, black... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
This was the West Indies. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
Cricket was the only other time I saw black people just enjoying | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
themselves, being them, outwardly. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
You know, the drums were playing and people were blowing whistles and | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
people were dancing. It was really joyous. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
It was the first time I ever saw my | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
dad screaming and shouting and acting like a kid. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
I'm looking at this man screaming at Geoffrey Boycott... | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
I'm like, "That's not my dad." | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Just dancing and being so happy. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
I would always like to see the West Indies win. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
It was kind of a celebration of who we were. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
It sort of felt great to be getting one over and winning. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
Cos you never really saw that. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
I never really saw success. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
And I'll tell you... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:33 | |
..I used to support Leeds United. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
Cos they were brilliant. I was about eight, nine, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
and Leeds were playing Birmingham, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
and I thought, "I'm going to go and support Leeds United." | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
I remember I walked into St Andrew's... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
..and I walked into the Leeds end, through the gate... | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
and I heard the first... "Oo-oo-oo, nigger, nigger..." | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
And I kind of stopped and I thought, "Did I just hear that?" | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
And I thought, "I'll carry on." | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
-INTERVIEWER: Who were you with? -I was on my own. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
And then I heard another one. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
And I remember my mum saying... | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
.."Stand up to bullies and racists," and... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
..I said to myself, "Go and take your seat. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
"Go and take your seat." | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
So I remember walking towards an empty seat that I saw, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
and it got louder and louder, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
and the monkey noises and the monkey chants and the "nigger, go home" | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
and the "coon", "wog", | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
"black...cunt". | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
It was... | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
There must have been about... | 0:14:48 | 0:14:49 | |
It sounded like 10,000 people calling me a nigger. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
I was eight. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:57 | |
And it shocked me to my core. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
And I stopped... | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
..turned around... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
..and left. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
And I have never been to a football match on my own since. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Never. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
Never. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
Thank you. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
For me, this picture is what my footballing career was all about. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
To go home on a weekend, having scored the winning goal, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
and seeing all these people here, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
cos every man is standing up and cheering cos I scored a goal. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
For me, there was no better feeling than that. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
I had to prove a point to these people. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Forget my colour - I'm able to do a job. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
And so this picture here just symbolises, for me, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
being the best I could be. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
-Take a seat and we shall begin. -Cool. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Yes, man! | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
This is sick. This is wicked. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
So this is my brother and I, first day of term, uniform pressed. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
I'm just looking at this picture, thinking, "Mum, what a star." | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Whenever I look at this picture, I smile because, you know, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
it is just everything. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
My big sister was, like, my best mate, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
and my mum was the evil overlord, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
the best friend, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
the cook, the... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
She was everything to us. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
My dad died when I was a baby, so I was raised by my mum. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
I felt like I was poorer than a lot of people. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
As I've grown up, I've realised that people that I was around | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
might have really got into the drugs game. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
What made me different is that I never saw none of that at home. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
My mum made so many sacrifices. My mum wouldn't claim benefit, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
my mum did three or four cleaning jobs | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
as well as... Sold clothes, was the Avon lady. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
But then my mum bought me my first set of turntables. Like, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
I know we didn't have a lot of money but she made sure it happened. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
So...big up, Mum, innit? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
My mother was an African woman. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
She came from a well-connected family in Nigeria | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
and at home, my mother was a super-strict disciplinarian and | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
super into education, so I wasn't... | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
I had no freedoms. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
I wasn't allowed to go to parties, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
I wasn't even allowed to go on school trips. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
My mum was over the top. Like, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
my mum used to actually keep a scrapbook | 0:18:13 | 0:18:14 | |
of bus and train crashes and say, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
"Look, these are children who died because they went on school trips." | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
I'm not even making this up. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
It's 100% true. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:22 | |
She'd keep newspaper clippings and go, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
"Look, these people are dead because they got on a coach." You know? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
Some of my friends who were able to do what they wanted to do - | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
that's cos their dad was down the bookie's. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
But the other extreme is... | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
"What kind of grade is that?" | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
The stereotypes of Jamaicans being | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
laid-back and rum-drinking and, you know... No. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
My dad bought his own house when he was a bus conductor. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
My dad knew exactly how much money | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
he had in his pocket whenever you asked. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
"Dad, how much money you got in your pocket?" "£2.32." | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
He'd be able to tell you. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
I was more scared of my dad than anybody in the world. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Scared of disappointing him, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
scared of him ever raising his hand on... | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
You know. In those days, that's what happened. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
My mum was my mum and my dad. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
She had to discipline me, so it weren't a talking-to - | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
she'd beat me, innit? So I had to hold licks. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
My white friends had different relationships with their parents. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
My friend Greg would say something cheeky to his dad, like, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
"Leave me alone," or something, and they'd... | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
"Ha-ha-ha!" His parents would laugh | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
and I'd go, "Oh, great, I'm going to go home and try that." | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
"What did you say to me?" | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
Running round the house... | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
TEARFULLY: "I...wish...you...were... dead." | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
Nah, man, licks is love, man. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
Don't get me wrong, there's abuse. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
But when you're acting up in school | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
because you're just being a little shit, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
because you need some attention or whatever it is, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
and now your mum's had to take the rest of the day off work | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
for the 50th time to hear that you're acting up... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
she's going to have to work even harder to make it up, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
then you're going to get some licks when you get home, innit? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
But I think white people beat their kids too, man. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
I think pretty much everyone has a go. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
I'm glad my dad could've given me licks if I was out of order. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
And they wouldn't throw him in prison. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Cos I know I needed that barrier. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
My dad never had to hit me. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Only once when I nearly set the house on fire, and I understood that. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I was being beat and it went on for quite a long time. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
I just thought, "I wonder if she's angry at me or at something else." | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Cos I think that | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
a lot of it wasn't about you. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
You know, every day, going to work. Every day, being disrespected. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
Every day, the burden of... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
..being a visible "other". | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
I wonder if it wasn't some of that. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
My dad is Nigerian, came over to England when he was young, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
went to boarding school in Scotland, moved to London, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and my mum is English. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
My dad's always been there, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
and I suppose that that is a stereotype, isn't it? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
That black men are not always there to provide for their children, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
which is just not the case with my dad at all. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
It's the polar opposite, you know, like, he would give everything, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
do anything for us. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
What was interesting is that I went to a small private school in Essex, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
because I was born in east London and my dad sent me to a school that, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:47 | |
after day two of me being there, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
one of my teachers being beaten up, took me out and said, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
"I'm not doing this." | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
Moved out to Essex and they basically spent all of | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
their money, every single penny they had, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
sending me to a school that I couldn't afford to go to | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
because he was determined that I got a good education. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
So, yeah, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
we used to pull up round the corner in a car with the door falling off, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
and I used to go to this school, and that was my life by day, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
and then my life by night was back in east London, at the dance studio, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
working, teaching, learning, just trying to make ends meet. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
My name is Maggie Aderin-Pocock | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
and I'm a space scientist and a science communicator. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
So this is a picture, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
and I'm looking incredibly happy | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
because I am actually at Nasa Headquarters. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
Firstly, it's the International Space Station, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
and, of course, one of my dreams is, still, I want to get into space, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
even at my age. It's more of a retirement plan now, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
but I still want to get into the real thing one day. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
My fascination with space... It happened at a very early age. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
I used to watch a cartoon called the Clangers, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
and so when I was a three-year-old, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
I believed the Clangers were out there | 0:23:04 | 0:23:05 | |
and I wanted to go and visit them. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
But also I think my dad... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
I don't know, he was just so... | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
To me, growing up, he was just wonderful. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
He just taught us things, and he was always interested in science. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
He had a dream of studying medicine, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
but I think having four kids and sort of | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
being in a different country, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
that dream went by the by, and I think he did regret that. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
But he didn't just teach us things - he got us to think. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
I think that is the best gift you can give anyone, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
the ability to think. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
Just watching a television programme and he'd say, "OK, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
"so why is that guy doing that? | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
"Do you think it's right or wrong?" | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
So he sort of set my moral compass and made me think about things, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
and I think that makes me, probably, a better human being, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
so I always thank him for that. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Listen, mate, there was... | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
There are a few things I grew up hearing over and over again. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
A lot about education, but the one about | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
"you have to try twice as hard to achieve" was in stone. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
It might as well have been on the wall. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
It's like, "Well, why do I have to try twice as hard?" | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
"You just do." | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
"If you want to succeed in this country, you have to be twice as good as anybody else | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
"to be accepted as an equal." | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Well, that's... How are you going to win that? | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
I could get eight out of ten | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
in an exam and my dad would go, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
you know, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
"That's OK, but why did you not get ten?" | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
And that was a constant in my life, my brother's life, my sister's life. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
You know, perfection is what you're aspiring to | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
and anything less than that was you slacking, basically. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
I wasn't raised to do something 50-50. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
I worked in Topshop, I was the best sales assistant there was. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Whatever I commit myself to doing, I'm going to do it with 110%. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
Poor Steve McQueen. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
He makes Shame and his mum's there, going, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
"You have to do better than that, you know. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
"Where that book about the slave? "Make that one." | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
That's good. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
You know, I was brought up by Ghanaian parents | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
and everyone who's brought up by | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
African parents pretty much lives through the same thing, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
which is that you're told very early on | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
that it's important that you get a good career, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
it's important that you become a professional. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
She'd already picked out our jobs when we were kids - | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
like, I was meant to be the doctor of the family. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
One of my brothers was meant to be a lawyer, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
one was meant to be the engineer. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
"A stockbroker." | 0:25:45 | 0:25:46 | |
"You have to be a solicitor." | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
"Be a doctor..." | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
"Think about becoming an accountant..." | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
If you couldn't be Garfield Sobers or Frank Worrell or somebody. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
All of these things weigh slightly heavily on you as a child | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
but, actually, the whole dialogue around "you need a profession" | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
and so on is really another way of saying, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
"How can you live in a country where black people are routinely | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
"stereotyped as 'other' and different | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
"and physically threatening and..." | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
So their answer to that, at that time, was to say, "OK, look, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
"you need a proper job, you need a proper profession, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
"and that way you'll be safe." | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
My dad feared for us. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
I-I knew it. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
He was always telling us, because he was saying that, you know, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
he has four daughters, and he wanted us to be independent and educated | 0:26:33 | 0:26:39 | |
so we could look after ourselves. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
I don't think any of us understand the importance | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
of why our parents were so strict with us | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
until we're almost parents ourselves. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
Because everything was a need to get to a point of paying the bill. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
"Make sure you turn the lights off, make sure you..." | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
There was constant struggle. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
In fact, as a tribute to my dad, the first time I got a job, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
he made me put £10 away in an account. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
I still do that, that same account, out of respect for him. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
All of my sisters went through the university system | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
and have been totally self-sufficient. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
And I think that was his dream - | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
that we would have better opportunities than he did - | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
and I think he succeeded in that dream, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
so he didn't fulfil all his own dreams, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
but I think he succeeded in his dreams for us. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
That's my icons, man. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
These great British people came here and really... | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
They fought for us, man. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Close your laptop for a second, have a moment with your family, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
cos everything else is exterior. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
It's a rather nice picture. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
That's my grandmother. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
And my dad and my mum. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
My family are my heroes, I guess. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Cos they transcended whatever it was that afflicted them... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
..that stood in their way when they came here, and they raised a family. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
Anybody who's gone through that and | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
put food on the table | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
and looked after their family, those are the real heroes, really. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
There's nothing stronger than that, nothing more powerful. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 |