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MUSIC: "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" by The Hollies | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
# The road is long | 0:00:10 | 0:00:17 | |
# With many a winding turn | 0:00:17 | 0:00:23 | |
# That leads us... # | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
13 years ago, the BBC set out on an ambitious project. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:30 | |
To follow the lives of 25 children | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
after their birth at the millennium. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
# But I'm strong... # | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
And in the process, we've captured ordinary family life in 21st-century Britain. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:48 | |
Our cameras have been in their homes, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
from towns and villages, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
to inner cities, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
and rural countryside, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
revealing the ups and downs life has thrown at them. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
I never guessed she would die. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
But I can remember quite clearly the afternoon in which I found out. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
I think I was ten. And my dad had an affair. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
I'm glad they're growing up to be nice young ladies | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
and I love them to bits. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
We've seen our families change. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Now, Child Of Our Time is growing up. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
Our children are ready to share their thoughts and feelings as they hit their teenage years. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
# He ain't heavy | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
# He's my brother. # | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
12 is like being in the middle of being a teenager and being a kid. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
You're an in-between age, so you kind of feel different from others. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
Every day should be an ice-cream day when you're 12, because your body can take it. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
Shallow people are going to be best friends with you for a piece of gum. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Everyone's obsessed with chewing gum at 12. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
She used to love pink and fairies and things like that, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
but that's now gone. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
She is good at doing that teenage focusing out the rest of the world, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
where they don't see anything apart from what's immediately in front of them on a screen! | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
-Bossy, would you say? -But there again, she's 12, she's experimenting with... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:35 | |
Yeah, but she bosses you around an awful lot, and me! | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
# He ain't heavy... # | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Tonight, we'll see our children | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
preparing for the greatest change in their lives | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
and how their parents will need to let them go | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
to grow as adults. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
He's not a grown-up yet, so he struggles to say | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
what he is feeling. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
If you say to them one day, "How are you feeling?" "I don't know." | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
Another time, all this stuff will come out. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
It's quite scary, actually, seeing myself get older, you know. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
I don't know, it's just... How could I have been so small and I can be so tall now? | 0:03:35 | 0:03:41 | |
It's a bit confusing, you know. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Like any growing-up young girl, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
every single young girl is a massive flaming problem. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
And so there's that! It's there. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
You know, she's growing up and she's got to move on into life. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
And those are very difficult, brave decisions on how you guide a young person through that. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Helena was the first of our children to be born, when her mother, Jeanette, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
pregnant with triplets, went into premature labour. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
I'm just checking... | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
He's head down at the moment. Head here. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
'I remember being in hospital, in Cheltenham.' | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
It was four o'clock in the morning and my waters broke at 22 weeks. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
And then the doctor having a look and he could see the baby's hand. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
What I didn't realise was the exceptional complications | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
going through full-term with triplets. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
And there were two girls and a boy, and it just went wrong. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
Born three and a half months early, the first two babies, Barry and Millie, died. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
Helena survived, barely clinging on to life. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
You didn't know when the phone was going to go and say, "Your child's dying." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
It was like that. That's how near it was. And you were warned about this. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
We don't know the hour, the moment or the day when something's going to go right or wrong. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
You spend hours and hours looking at your little baby | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
and willing them to survive. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
I remember going in one day, and the piece of skin between her nose and her mouth had started to grow. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
I could see that it was a bit of distance there. "She's growing! Her eyes are opening!" | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
This sort of thing. All the very, very tiny, little benchmarks. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
But after several weeks of intensive care, Helena's condition suddenly deteriorated. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
I remember saying to a technician, "What are you scanning her for?" | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
And they said, "We're just looking to see what's going on in her heart, it's blocked." | 0:06:12 | 0:06:18 | |
And the world fell apart at that moment in time. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Helena had a blood clot in her heart and other complications were setting in. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:32 | |
She was getting worse. She'd got some problem where she was expanding with water. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
They said, "Right, your daughter's really ill. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
"Chances are she's going to be seriously handicapped. She'll never be right." | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
Two days later, they're asking to turn her life support off. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
And my overwhelming memory is, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
"Why did I bury Millie and little Barry when Helena's going to die?" | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
Jeanette and Barry were faced with their worst nightmare. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
Either ending Helena's life or letting her survive with the near certainty of permanent brain damage. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:12 | |
We're stood in this room, next to her cot. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
And she's sedated and her eyes are watching us have this conversation. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
And as I looked at her, it showed me that she wanted to fight. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
And I just thought, "God, if she's got that much determination | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
"then we need to just fight for everything you can do." | 0:07:32 | 0:07:38 | |
You know that there is a bond, something that's quite extraordinary - | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
a feeling, something happening - quite powerfully. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
Definitely, we weren't turning that child off. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Not a cat in hell's chance. It wasn't going to happen. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
And they said, "All we can do is experiment." I said, "Let's go and experiment, then." | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
They said, "We can give her a drug that, if it's a blood clot on her heart, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
"it may dissolve it, but it has never worked with babies before. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
"There's a one-in-a-million chance it will work. If it works, she's going to have a major handicap." | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
But you don't care at that point. You take what's being offered, because you want your baby to live. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:27 | |
And, you know, she lived. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
And the drug worked. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
48 hours later, she was out of intensive care. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
And she turned out to be a great fighter. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
And it was... Well, it was magic, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
how nobody expected her to live | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
and, all of a sudden, she surprised everybody. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Three months later, Helena was off life support | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
and able to go home. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
-HELENA GIVES A TINY CRY -And you like it, don't you? Eh? | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Keep going! Whey! | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Arabesque! | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Roll! | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
Jump! Jump! Jump! | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
Turn! | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
# Downtown girl The sun is shining! # | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
Let there be cake! | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Oh, well done, Helena! | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
Helena's story is a story of survival, survival against the odds, there's no doubt about that. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
But, equally, Helena can't live with that label for the rest of her life. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Helena has to get on with a normal teenage life. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
We struggle to do that sometimes, cos we wrap her up in cotton wool, cos she's so special to us. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
In September 2012, Helena became a teenager. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
Mum and Dad are now divorced, but Barry is still a full-time dad. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
-Anybody home? -Yeah, I'm here. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
-POSH: -Oh, hello! -Hello. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
I'm so pleased you got your hair back to its curly self. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
'It's always been her ambition to be a journalist of some sort.' | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
And she watches journalists and she reads a tremendous amount. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
If I do end up being a journalist, I don't want to be one of those annoying ones in David... | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
like, waits outside Number 10 for ages. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
No offence to people who actually do that. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
I write fan fiction. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
I'm obsessed with it. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
It's usually sad things, cos sad things are easier to write about, let's face it. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
Cos otherwise, it's a flipping fairy tale. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
I don't want to write fairy tales! | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
They're too flipping... You know what happens! | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
A beautiful girl is treated badly and then loads of crap happens. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
And then she marries someone at, like, 16. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
What's with THAT?! | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
She's a child that was made for the 21st century. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
She was made by technology. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
She was saved by technology and she loves technology. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
As long as she's still got her mobile phone, her computer and her iPod, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
she will be happy, I'm sure. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
SIREN BLARES | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
After Helena's birth in September 1999, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
the rest of our children on Child Of Our Time were born over the millennium. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
-MAN: -Oh! Come, my little baby. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
WOMAN: Cutie! | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
It's sort of like, "Yippee! Let's have children! Now what do I do?" | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
I remember the first night we brought her home, it was freezing cold. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
Oh! Putting her in the car! | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
"Oh, there's a car 200 yards away! I'm slowing down. I'm pulling up. Don't come any closer!" | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
People always say it's a magical time having you and your baby. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
-One of the saddest things you said was you never looked back on it with any great... -It was just a grind. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
I don't believe what he's just done! | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
Ivo, that's very naughty. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
ALL: Whoo! | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
That was the first proper two steps that she's actually took. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
Even in the first few years, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
the children's personalities had begun to take shape. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
Taliesin as a toddler liked the attention being on him | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
and didn't like it if you had to do something else. One of his favourite tricks was unplugging the Hoover. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
And the first time it happened, I stripped the Hoover apart, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
because there was no way the plug could have just fallen out the wall. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
And it happened again. And this time, I just saw two little feet crawling off into the front room | 0:13:41 | 0:13:47 | |
and realised that he'd come and unplugged it, and then crawled off, acting all innocent. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
You monkey! | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
So, yeah, he was a practical joker from birth, basically, I think. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
When Parys was younger, I relied a lot on voice. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
Wait for Mama. Stay there. Hold the door for me. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
Good boy. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:09 | |
Like when he got out of the car. He knew that I couldn't... | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
You see mums clinging on to the child for dear life, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
cos they're so frightened he's going to go across the road. Parys didn't do that. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Good boy. Parys... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Good boy. Right, you be very careful because there's cars, OK? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
Hold on to Mama. Good boy! Good boy! Hold on to Mama. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Right, now, you stay here. Bit more! Bit more! | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Bit more. Stay there, stay there! Now stay there, please. Please stay there. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
'When I said, "Stay with me," he stayed. He just knew. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
'So, he relied on me verbally, rather than physically.' | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
You're being such a clever boy. Come here! Good boy. That's it. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
She put trust into me to listen to her. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
I couldn't just, like, ignore her, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
cos she couldn't, like, physically pick me up and move me, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
or, like, grab me to take me somewhere. I'd have to always listen to her, which I would. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
WHISTLING AND APPLAUSE | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
Alison Lapper found fame as an artist. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
In 2005, a cast of her body was placed on a plinth in Trafalgar Square in London. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:26 | |
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Alison took Parys almost everywhere she went and the two developed the strongest bond. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:37 | |
-Where are we going? -We're going to the Eiffel Tower, babes. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
And me? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:45 | |
Oh, absolutely! Of course and you! Where do I go without you? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
He's travelled a lot for someone so young. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
But I like him being around! | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
I like being with him. I enjoy him. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
He IS my world. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
You know, he is so important to me. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Mwah! You're such a brave boy being up here. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
It's great having a famous mum but, the down side is, she always talks to everybody who comes past. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
-Nice to meet you. It's so great to meet you. -Thank you, and you. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
For example, when we went to Korea. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
For some weird reason, we were really big over there. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
So, everywhere we went, we felt like Tom Cruise. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
And it got annoying, because we couldn't do anything we wanted | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
without having, like, 25 people following us with cameras. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
It's not only Alison's fame which has meant that they are constantly surrounded by people. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
Since Parys was born, they've had her carer living with them. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
'There are people in mine and Parys' lives 24/7.' | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
It's got its good qualities and bad qualities. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
For example, good qualities if you want some food or a cup of tea, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:09 | |
then they'd kindly make it for you. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
But the bad thing is, if I just wanted to be with my mum, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
they'd always be around, don't have much privacy. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Like, not have anybody else in the house apart from me and my mum. I can't do that. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
Every once in a while, my mum can say to the PA, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
"You can stay at home," and then me and my mum can just be out, me and her. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
We're going to go to the FrightFest. Yeah, we're going to do that Tuesday. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
'If we're out on our own...' | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
He really... He loves that. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
It's less invading. Like, you can just... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
It's just time with you and your mum. You don't have someone following you all the time. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
-..Oh, yeah. -Because I need to book it for everybody, yeah. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
But these precious moments together are now coming to an end, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
as Parys reaches his teens. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
I look at him and my baby is gone. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
'And I can see glimpses of the man | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
'that he's going to look like coming through.' | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
-Mum. -Yeah! -Do you like any of these scarves? -Let's have a look! | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
'The way he walks, the way he carries himself, little bit different. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
'And as he grows, we change and our relationship changes | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
'and, definitely, he is stepping back.' | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
Would that definitely go with the poncho? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
'I hope that we'll always have a good relationship...' | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
I've done my best | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
and I hope I haven't... done too badly. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
Let's go! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Ever since filming began, our parents have had different and changing careers. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:28 | |
COW MOOS | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
Only time will tell how this may influence what their children might do later on in life. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
When I grow up, I'd like to be some sort of doctor. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
When I grow up, I would like to be a doctor or a scientist. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
I hope to see myself doing something clever, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
or else be a YouTube gamer. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
I think it'll be something to do with sport, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
but I'm not sure which sport yet. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
I don't really know what I want to be when I'm older, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
but I know I'd like to have a job that I enjoy. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
My mum wanted me to be an astronaut when I was small, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
but she kind of knew that I don't think that's going to happen for me | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
cos I am not so clever at science. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
I wanted to make her like astronaut and she's totally different girl. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:27 | |
Het Shah lives with her family in north London. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
My first thing would be to be an actress, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
and then kind of slowly move on to my singing career and have my own, I guess, band and my album. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
And then have my own fashion line, so do fashion designing too. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
And have my own album alongside doing movies as well, so doing everything at a time. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:57 | |
Up to now, Het was a little girl and whatever I was telling her, she was listening. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
As I say, she's a very easy girl. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
But now she's in secondary school, she got her own thinking. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
I probably will go US or LA to kind of follow my dreams. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
And sometimes I feel so powerful that I can do anything, I will do, cos I know I can achieve it. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:19 | |
Kayla. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:26 | |
Here, have a chunk of grass. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
If I do try and get a doctorate and get in the psychology thing that I really want to do, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
or photography or forensic science, singing, whatever! | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
You know, I have loads of different things to fall back on. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
The only important things about the job is - one, I enjoy it, and two, it earns good money. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
Since she was very young, Rhianna has always understood the value of money. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
Sometimes we have been quite pressed for money, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
but I never liked being like that. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
When I was a little kid I'd go, "This is an own brand and this is not an own brand, this one's cheaper." | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
'So, I knew from quite an early age about how much things costed | 0:22:09 | 0:22:15 | |
'and what I can't get and can get.' | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
-Let's go home now. -I just need some money. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
-No, you don't. -Well, you can pay for everything, then, with your great wad of money in your purse. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
-No. -Thanks. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
-Bye. -Bye-bye! | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
The family's finances have often been tight. Andy has tried many different jobs. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
To be honest, you've always been a really, really good worker | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
when you put your mind to it. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
-It's just that in the past, you got slightly distracted quite quickly. -Yeah. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
There are some things I've started and not seen through, yeah, I'll agree with that. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
Fishing, caged birds. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
-Mini-motorbikes, quads, go-karts. -The kitchen at Monk Fryston. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
-Off-road buggies. -The conservatory at Monk Fryston. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
-Buying and selling cars. -Once the novelty's gone, you're not interested any more. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
Ow! That's sharp! | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
What colour do you want? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
You got it? You've got it. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
Smashing! Thank you very much. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Andy even tried his hand as a market trader. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Do you want one? Excellent. Take your pick. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
Some days you can have marvellous days and then, two or three weeks on the trot, nothing. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:34 | |
Poor, poor as a church mouse, and then you're trying to...just live! | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
'If there was work there, I'd do it. If there wasn't, fine.' | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
There was no, "Oh, I'd better think about paying the mortgage in four months' time." | 0:23:44 | 0:23:50 | |
Four months' time! Four days, I don't think I could even... | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Four hours I could cope with. Four days? Mm-mm. Four months? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
I would have thought you'd have just said, "Mortgage? What's a mortgage?" | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
You know what I mean, never planned anything. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Right, we need a withdrawal with receipt. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
'My mum's quite financially cautious. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
She's the one that worries about the finances.' | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
She'll be the one that's going, "Oh, we can't. Maybe. Oh, no!" She'll be the one fretting. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
-I did get resentful cos you weren't pulling your weight. -Yeah. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
-Very resentful, in a very quiet and undermining way, I would guess. -Mm-hm. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:27 | |
My dad will do whatever he wants, when he wants, in whatever he likes to wear, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
which tends to be his dressing gown on a morning, sat outside smoking. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
You just had moments where you were... | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
-..childish. -Yeah, quite possibly. -Self-centred and childish. -Yes. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
But the core person wasn't... You're not a bad person. I didn't ever hate you... | 0:24:43 | 0:24:49 | |
enough. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
One of his favourite catchphrases is, when he comes back and he's hungry, "Nobody loves me. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
"Everybody hates me. I'm going to go and eat worms". | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
Which is... You know, we encourage him to do that. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
But Andy now has a regular job and seems quite settled. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
With Rhianna growing up - and Rhianna's 12 now - | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
she needs stability and there needs to be constant money. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
And it does feel good to have a constant income. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
I go out. I go to work. I get paid. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
And I know next month, it's going to be there again and again and again and again and again. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
I can start sort of... | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
mentally thinking, "Right, I can save £100 here and £100 there." | 0:25:36 | 0:25:42 | |
Never quite happens like that, I'm afraid. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
I always seem to find some way of spending it, but hey-ho! | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
-I'll work on that one. -Mm. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
I think it's good he's retrained and that he's trying again, but he also needs to stick at one thing, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
instead of going, "Ooh, look! This is nice!" Flitting from different things. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
He needs to stay at one particular thing, ground himself and just... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
One thing he enjoys or doesn't enjoy, I don't care, as long as he brings in good cash. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
If I do enter a relationship when I'm a lot older, I will have separate bank accounts, no joint. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:23 | |
I think it's good to be independent, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
cos if things don't work out, for whatever reason, it's good to have your own thing to fall back on. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
When it comes to the home environment, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
it's not only we parents who shape our children's lives. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Most of our children have grandparents, sisters and brothers too. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
# Our house | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
# In the middle of our street | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
# Our house... # | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
Matthew Singleton lives just outside London. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
He and his brother, Robert, have been fierce rivals since they were young. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
When we do play sports against each other, we are quite competitive, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
both of us, but sometimes we do get too competitive | 0:27:25 | 0:27:31 | |
and maybe we argue. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
Matthew, in the past, has got very frustrated cos he used to always | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
think he was the same age as Robert cos they were the same height. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
I had to say to him so many times, "You're two years younger than him." | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
And he would become so competitive | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
and wanting to beat Robert all the time and get so angry. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
At one point, they were very close and people sometimes would say, "Oh, you've got twins!" | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
I took them into work one and a guy said, "I didn't realise you had twins." | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
And I said, "No, no, they're two years apart." | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
But in the last year, things have changed as his older brother has gone through puberty. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
Robert's suddenly shot up in height, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
towering above Matthew, and I think that's changed the dynamic. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
-Matthew... -Matthew loves having a big brother, he really loves it. -Robert's getting to adult size now. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:23 | |
I had no idea that that height thing, psychologically, would make such a difference. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
-And they definitely get on much, much better now. -Yeah. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
-Oh, that's hot! Ow! -Are you all right? -Yeah. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
The brothers' rivalry has just been a normal part of growing up | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and for them, they've had a secure and tight-knit family throughout their lives. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
From the kids' perspective, it's been a very, very stable upbringing. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
We've not changed. We've not separated. We've not divorced. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
We've been told off occasionally by our children | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
for having such a happy atmosphere at home, because they've got no traumas they can talk about to people. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:04 | |
That's lovely! That's good! | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
Do we need to wipe your nose? OK. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
Smile, both of you. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
'The thing is, we live round the corner and Matthew has a particularly close relationship with Raymond, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
'which is lovely.' | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
'Matthew, for some time, passed our house every day on the way to school and coming home. And, er...' | 0:29:19 | 0:29:27 | |
They would call in and they got biscuits. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
Used the loo sometimes. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Well, I have a very vivid memory of... Perhaps you do too. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
..of the first day that Matthew went to infant school. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
And he ran ahead of his parents in his new uniform coming past our house | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
and he just leapt up into our arms. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
It is a delightful relationship and I think it's very important to be physically close. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:55 | |
-Oooh! Are you going to school? -Hello. -RAYMOND LAUGHS | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
But growing up brings about change and this family have a difficult time ahead. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:05 | |
My grandma's got Parkinson's disease | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
and because of that, she's had to move into a home. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
Which was a very, very big wrench for all of us, especially my father. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
It's much better now that she's in a home because she has proper carers. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:23 | |
You don't really know how you're meant to feel, because it's as if... | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
She's not died, but yet, it's that... It does feel somehow as if she's died. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
Suddenly, your family that you always knew were together, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
that you always relied on and always just assumed were going to be there for ever together until they died, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:46 | |
suddenly it's been pulled apart. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
As far as Raymond and I are concerned, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
I think this time is easier for me than for him. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
But, you see, I'm very aware of the fact we've had | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
54 very good years, by anybody's standards. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
And we've had a lovely time. He's bringing in albums from our... | 0:31:03 | 0:31:09 | |
The family have all laughed at me. I've had these photo albums, like a true old grandma, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
but every since we met. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
And we've had great fun and so have the boys. To our delight, they've picked up on them. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
-The legacy that your mum will leave the boys... -Yeah. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
Having grandparents living round the corner, and she's put so much into them. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
There's so many things they'll remember. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
You look at the boys now and you think they wouldn't be like that if it wasn't for their grandparents. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
I didn't think they'd be interested looking at these...all these pictures of our lives together | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
and all the holidays we've had and so on. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
So, I think we've got an awful lot to be thankful for, so... | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
-Are you all right? -Fine. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
-My name's Ivo. -My name's Alex! | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
Close relationships cement families together. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
These bonds are often never stronger than between identical twins, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
like Alex and Ivo Lloyd-Young in Glasgow. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
Having a twin is like having a best friend but who lives with you. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
Just means you've got someone who looks very like you | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and you can falsify crimes against them. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
Having your best mate with you all the time is a fantastic concept. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:56 | |
What a great thing to have someone who's quite like you and shares interests with you | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
with you all the time, so you can hang out. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
Go faster! Go faster! | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
I can do it myself. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
But being an identical twin has one big drawback. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
-Are you Ivo or Alex? -Ivo. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
-Alex, can I play? -I'm Ivo! | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
-People think we look alike. -We do! | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Uh! And the majority of people look alike, but we don't think we look alike. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
-I'm already confused. Who's Alex and who's Ivo? -This is Alex. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
People do it a lot. Just beginning to get boring, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
having to tell them you're not the one they think you are. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
They're clearly very aware they are very similar, and that is a problem for people to tell them apart. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:56 | |
So, they'd just started wearing coloured clothes. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
OK, I'll do it. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
-I wear blue. He wears red. -Ow! | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
Yeah, we have to do this so people can tell the difference. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Otherwise we just get called Ivo or Alex all the time. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
See, like, I could be called Ivo and he could be called Alex. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
The person who's Ivo is completely different to the person who's Alex. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
Although, interestingly, they share a lot of personality traits, they are completely different. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:25 | |
We've been with the Child Of Our Time children at every milestone of their lives. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
Starting primary school was a big moment. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
PFFT! | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
PFFT! | 0:34:51 | 0:34:52 | |
And in 2011, the children started secondary school | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
and faced a whole new set of challenges. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
Secondary school, that was the big one for me. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
It was - Rhianna Lees, 11-year-old, first week at secondary school, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
and you got this other person came home at night. It was, wow! | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
School's crap. They have all these "really good ideas about what kids enjoy"! | 0:35:19 | 0:35:25 | |
And a lot of the time, the kids don't want to do these "fun" theme days cos they're not fun. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
Having started at secondary school last year, in Year Seven, I felt he slightly lost his confidence. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
I think the whole enormity of going to secondary school, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
trying to suddenly work out which classroom to go to, who the teachers were, what the names were. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
All those things, which... At primary school, they were the oldest in the school. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
Everybody knows them. They know everybody. It's smaller. I think that did really affect him. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
Hey! Come in! How was it? | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
One worry that many parents have is that their children may be bullied. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
Almost half of all British children are likely to be bullied at some point during school. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:10 | |
Someone's picking on them because of their weight, because they're too clever, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
or they're dumb, kind of they're too skinny, they're fat, their appearance. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
I hope that my children won't bully anybody else's, but they're not that temperament. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
-I don't remember being bullied either when I was at school, on the contrary. -Oh, I was. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:30 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Yes, I remember being locked in the lavatory when it was time to go to my piano class. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
Sadly, for Taliesin Stevenson, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
bullying has been an issue in his life since he was only four years old. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
HE CRIES | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
They keep crashing with me. That isn't funny, is it? | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
They decided they didn't like me from pretty much the first day. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
They never let me, like, play with them or anything like that. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
They always left me out, they just used to call me names, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
and, like, the normal kind of, like, what bullies do. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
I think I was bullied because maybe I looked weaker than everyone else | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
and they decided to pick on the weakest. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
I don't think they understood him. I think they were... | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
They weren't really on his level. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Um, and so he withdrew into what he found interesting. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
It's so interesting! | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
It's a monster. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
And then... | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
He didn't have this basic view that all the other children had of how everything goes together. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
He took a photo of a fire extinguisher, I think, and birds flying. | 0:37:54 | 0:38:00 | |
Aah! | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
I just thought that was the most creative thing I could think of - birds flying in the sky. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
I was amazed at that, from when I was young, so I'm like, "Ah!" Ching, ching, ching. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:13 | |
He had a totally different imaginary world that he lived in. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
So, the birds flying and fire extinguishers | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
and everything else that caught his eye, really, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
rather than focusing on the miserable situation that he was basically in. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
Go away! | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
'There were so many times that I didn't want to go into school. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
'Then I just started getting worse at that and saying, "I don't want to go in! I don't want to go in!"' | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
Then my mum said, "Is there a problem?" And that's how I told her after five years. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
Knowing that I was sending him into an environment that he really wasn't comfortable with was... | 0:38:52 | 0:38:58 | |
It was awful for me, it really was, and I'd come home and cry. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
I had to drive him into school a lot of times because he just wouldn't walk. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
He just point blank refused. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Um, and I had to stand with him and wait and.... | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
He'd go off and... | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
It was heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Taliesin being bullied struck a nerve with Olivia, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
because she had also suffered similarly in HER childhood. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
I wasn't only bullied at school, but also being bullied at home by my father. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
In June 2000, Olivia returned to her childhood home | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
to tell Child Of Our Time about her traumatic upbringing. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
This is the woods that my mother's house backs on to. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
When I was very, very young and got worried at home, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
I used to jump over the fence and I'd run out into here. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
It's like a safe haven. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
So, it is hard as a parent, when you've been through that bullying, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
to see that happening to your own child. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
It's the worst feeling ever. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
But I just knew I had to do something about it. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
And I got myself a job there working as a midday assistant, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
so that I could see. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
I thought, "I'll know what he's up to from across the playground, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
"and I'll see what he's doing to these other kids to provoke the reaction that he's getting." | 0:40:45 | 0:40:51 | |
And what I did see was an awful lot of stuff flying in his direction | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
when he was even walking away. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
It was at that point that I decided it really wasn't going to work, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
and I just had to remove him from the school and find somewhere else. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Taliesin moved schools, made new friends and is now much happier. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:18 | |
I think the bullying wasn't actually a bad thing. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
Well, it is, but it wasn't bad as in the sense that it ruined my life. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
I think it's made me stronger as a person, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
like, deciding to stick up for myself rather than just take it. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
# What doesn't kill you makes you stronger | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
# Stand a little taller | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
# Doesn't mean I'm lonely... # | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
He's got some really lovely friends now. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
I don't begrudge them what they did. I think they did him a massive favour. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
# What doesn't kill you makes you stronger | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
# Stronger | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
# Just me, myself and I | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
# What doesn't kill you makes you stronger | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
# Stand a little taller | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
# Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I alone... # | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
He's just so strong, and he's such a character. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
And, um, I'm just so proud to be part of that, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
to develop him into the adult that he's becoming. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
# Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
# I'm not alone. # | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
Everything changes when you become a teenager - | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
your mind, your body and, of course, your hormones. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
That's it! Inside leg, left leg! Go, go, go! | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
And girls develop faster than boys. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
Megan Davies lives in South Wales. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
I definitely WAS a tomboy. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
I don't think I am now, but I'm not one to wear dresses. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:01 | |
But, erm... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
I don't think I'm as boyish as what I used to be. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
She will paint her nails and she will doll herself up a bit, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:13 | |
but her fashion sense, compared to Delana, her sister, isn't the best. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:20 | |
Got to watch what you say now. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
Some of the things Megan will wear... | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
We see her coming downstairs ready to go out for a meal or something. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
"Where do you think you're going?" She's just got some horrendous choice of clothes on. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:35 | |
-So, we just leave it. -She's not bothered at all. -No, she's not that fussy. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:40 | |
Not a lot of my friends actually have boyfriends, cos we all stick to the same, like, motto kind of thing. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:47 | |
We all agree that we're a bit too young to take relationships seriously anyway, so... | 0:43:47 | 0:43:53 | |
They will choose their own friends. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
They will decide what kind of life they want to lead, really. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
And it's from now on this is where we'll see big changes, really. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
It was quite a shock, actually, when we got to about the age of nine | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
and she went from being a very compliant little girl to saying, "No, I'm not going to do that," | 0:44:14 | 0:44:19 | |
which is, OK, perfectly normal, I'm told. Erm... | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
She is a very, very typical teenager. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Spotty, becoming a woman, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
capable of being a total pain in the arse, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
and being a beautiful girl the next moment. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
It's going to be hell, cos I'm always going to get into arguments with my mother. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
I'm not looking forward to being a teenager. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
It's just you get grumpy a lot. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
Sometimes he's a pain in the butt. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
And I have to remind myself that he's supposed to be pushing the boundaries. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
She was angry, grounded me for, like, three weeks. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
He's getting quite clothes conscious and he's quite into his music. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
Oh, what's he called? I call him Tiny Tim and he gets furious with me. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:16 | |
Tiny somebody or other, singer. All these singers and things that he likes. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
And, erm... And... Templer. Tiny Templer, I think. Something like that. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:27 | |
Sometimes, you know, I'll be, like, in the mood of a three-year-old | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
and spinning round in a circle is the best thing ever! | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
And a rainbow, you know, is magical, you know. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
But then if I'm in, you know, a sensible mood, | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
nothing is funny, you know, everything is just, like, "Oh, God sakes!" | 0:45:41 | 0:45:47 | |
To look at, she's tall, quite mature for her age in some ways, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
-but she's not as mature as she'd like to have you think. -Yeah. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:57 | |
Mum says I'm a wicked child cos I like the idea of turning people into soup. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:02 | |
There's a film that does that. When they get old and decrepit, they turn them into soup. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
She's becoming quite hard. She's deliberately developing a hard shell, | 0:46:07 | 0:46:13 | |
-which is alien to her natural character, to protect herself. -To protect herself, yeah. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
As a kid, empathy is useless because people will either take advantage of that, you know, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:24 | |
by asking silly things, like crayons, you know, whatever. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
And you can't keep being friends with people you don't want to be friends with. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:33 | |
I think she's less trusting, isn't she? | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
Mum keeps saying, "You'll need it as an adult, blah, blah, blah!" | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
But I don't care. I'm not an adult at the moment. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
This is how I want to be, otherwise it's going to ruin my life. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
So, do you play for North...? | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
As children gain independence, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
they start to make decisions for themselves, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
and for one of our boys, this has had a dramatic impact on him and his family. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:15 | |
I stopped competing, really, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
cos I got a bit...bored | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
and I was getting, like, a lot of pressure put on me. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
Ah, fantastic play! | 0:47:29 | 0:47:30 | |
From a very young age, William Roberts seemed destined | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
to become a professional tennis player. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
When I first started playing tennis, I was four. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
I thought I was more naturally good a tennis player, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
cos people tell me that I'm very athletic. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
I think he's got a very good hand-to-eye coordination. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
He has a natural ability. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
He was definitely in the top eight for his age group in the country. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
All William's spare time was taken up | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
practising tennis and travelling to tournaments. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
-I'm not...! -Calm down. -HE WAILS | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
'He was travelling further than nearly anyone. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
'He was giving up more school than nearly anyone.' | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
Half the time, he'd have his lunch in the car. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
He had more meals in the car than anywhere else. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
And then drive off to training and you'd be there for hours and then coming back at night. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:45 | |
And he's got to be up at school for eight o'clock in the morning and this isn't working. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:52 | |
You realise it's too much pressure to be putting William through that if he's not enjoying it. | 0:48:54 | 0:49:00 | |
I was just getting a bit tired of it. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
And I just started not being too keen on it. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
And started looking at other sports. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
And I was missing out on school sports that I wanted to do. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
I was getting pulled off to tennis | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
when I actually wanted to do cricket at school and stuff like that. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
I just didn't want to really carry on. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
I did say to Will, "If you want to carry on, Will, if you really want to carry on playing tennis, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:40 | |
"I will take you round the world." | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
He said, "I don't know. You're the adult, it's up to you." | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
And I said, "Well, Will, do you want to carry on playing tennis?" "I don't know." | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
And eventually I said, "Look, love, 'I don't know' isn't really enough any more, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:58 | |
"because it's too big a thing." | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
It was tough on her as well because she was travelling around the country when I didn't even really... | 0:50:01 | 0:50:07 | |
I wasn't really keen on the sport, so it was wasting her time and my time. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
So, we just decided to stop. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
That's it, that's the finish of tennis. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
And he looked at me and then he - I was in the kitchen - | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
he came across to me and flung his arms round me and gave me a big hug. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
I wasn't that disappointed thinking that was the only thing that I was... | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
that's the only sport I was good at, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
cos I know I'm all right at other sports as well. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
Not going to tennis every day has made an enormous difference to me, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
so much so that I look back and think I don't know how I did it sometimes. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
Erm... | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
I now would like to have a job. I have been applying for jobs. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Because I think it's easy to get consumed with housework. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:06 | |
At least have the option of getting a job. It may not go down particularly well with some people, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
people that think I have plenty to do without getting a job, but I think, erm... | 0:51:11 | 0:51:17 | |
I think that it would be good for me. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
If I hadn't had children and if I hadn't wanted children, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
I would be a solicitor with an income of my own | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
and I would be financially independent. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
It would have changed who I am and how I feel about myself. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
It would have changed how other people see me. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
It would have changed what I had and how I lived | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
and it would have changed my relationships with other people. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
And I could have been more of the person I wanted to be | 0:51:54 | 0:52:01 | |
with that career and that income. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
I did have the offer of a really brilliant training contract | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
with an excellent City firm. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
And so I've given up that, and I do...I do regret that. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:18 | |
I do regret that. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
I do regret that a lot. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
Erm... | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
I have made a lot of sacrifices... | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
in one way. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:30 | |
But in some ways, I haven't sacrificed anything. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
Yeah. I think, "Oh, well, I would have liked a job and a career." | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
But the truth is, I wouldn't have wanted anything else. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
I... I, erm... | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
I wanted the children so much. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
And I was more confident about being a good mother | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
than I was confident about being a good solicitor. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
But we'll never know. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
These are the last moments of childhood, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
so a time of reflection for us all. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
Being a dad is as good as it's ever going to get, for me, I think. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
This is the single best thing I'll ever do. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
-..And four, OK? -OK. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
..If you want. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:08 | |
We can't all be brilliant at whatever, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
but there's a possibility that they might be, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
so, to me, it just feels incredibly special. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
I personally feel a little bit like the centre of the boys' lives | 0:54:26 | 0:54:31 | |
has evolved away from me, inevitably. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
I used to do lists of ten brilliant things to do at the weekend | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
and they'd tick what they wanted to do and we'd have paper aeroplane competitions | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
and Lego model crashing competitions, all this stuff. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
And I love toys and kids and all that kind of stuff, and that doesn't happen now, and I miss that. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:53 | |
I think I'm getting to the age where you want to be more with your friends | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
than with your mum and dad. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
I can go into town by my own. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
They're not as much, like, crowded around me, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
like, "Be careful! Don't trip over." | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
I just do what I want, really. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
'Our relationship, it's changing, which it's bound to.' | 0:55:22 | 0:55:27 | |
But it's me that probably mourns that. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
Parys doesn't at all, I don't think. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
I find myself increasingly emotional these days, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
thinking, "It's not going to be long and they're all going to have grown up and they're going to leave me!" | 0:55:44 | 0:55:50 | |
And it's lovely, because I think that they'll do very well. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
Oh, yes, it's wonderful being a grandmother. I wouldn't change that. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
It's interesting to see her growing and changing. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
And you just hope that you'll always be part of that. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
'I'm very privileged to have these children, but I've only got them for a short period of time,' | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
cos they are going to grow up and leave me, but they're coming back when I'm old. I've told them! | 0:56:18 | 0:56:23 | |
These are the golden moments right now. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
There's a kind of sadness, because I think childhood is about loss. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
It's about the loss of those moments because things are changing so much. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
They're 12 now. They were one. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
They're never going to be one again, so you're just losing all the time. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
I guess you just hold on to all the kind of wee moments of just magic. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:55 | |
MUSIC: "When I'm 64" by The Beatles | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
We shall continue to record the lives of our children, and one thing is certain - | 0:57:24 | 0:57:31 | |
the biggest changes and challenges are still to come, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
as they become adults. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
I probably think I'd like to do something with animals, because they're different. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:43 | |
I'd like to be a photographer. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:44 | |
I don't know what I'll do. I'll just go with the flow. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
I want to be a baker as famous as Nigella Lawson. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
I don't know at all. It'll... | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
It'll come to me one day! | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
I want to be successful so I can make my mum and dad proud, | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
but I don't know if that'll happen or not. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:07 | |
Find out more about the challenges of the teenage years. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
Order The Open University's free booklet, Becoming A Teenager. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
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