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Actor Trevor Eve is on a journey to Wales and his family's past. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
A journey he's always longed to take. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Trevor rose to fame in 1979 | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
as the Bristol-based private detective, Eddie Shoestring. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
Most recently, he's recognisable as Detective Supt Peter Boyd | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
in the long-running BBC drama, Waking the Dead. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Although thought of as English, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Trevor's roots run deeply into Wales. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
My mother, who is Welsh, my father wasn't Welsh, I grew up in Birmingham | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
but I spent a lot of time here in South Wales for various reasons | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
that may or may not become apparent during the course of the day. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Trevor is travelling to the Mumbles, near Swansea, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
where he spent many happy childhood holidays. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
My name, the original spelling of my name was T-R-E-F-O-R. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
That was, of course, the Welsh spelling. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Trevor's father was English but his mother was Welsh, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
and it's her roots he's here to explore. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
My grandpa, Charlie, I remember, who was a miner. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
And I remember the days of the tin bath in front of the fire, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
which, now, just a couple of generations later, sounds so remote. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
But... Yeah, I remember that. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Here in the Mumbles, Trevor Eve is finally coming home. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
Later in the programme, Trevor discovers a war hero in the family. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
Wow! That's something, isn't it? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Reveals his musical side. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
And discovers an uncomfortable truth about his past. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
I feel sad, sad and excluded, you know. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
Trevor is on his way to All Saints Church near Swansea, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
in the heart of the Mumbles. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Now he's finally here, he's more than a little nervous | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
about what genealogist Mike Churchill Jones may have uncovered. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
Hi, Trevor, welcome to All Saints Church in Oystermouth. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
We've been researching your family tree. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
-Good. -And...here we have it. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Well, I can see that already, in a frame on the wall, that's good! | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
-My God. -Right at the bottom is your good self. -OK. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
Right. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
Trevor's ancestors are all Welsh on his mother's side, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
beginning with Francis Woosnam, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
his five times great-grandfather from Montgomeryshire. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Woosnam. We're not going to go golf, are we? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Surprisingly, golf-mad Trevor is right. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Francis Woosnam was also the seven times great-grandfather of Welsh golf star, Ian Woosnam. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
Making them distant cousins. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Oh, OK! | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Apart from the Woosnams, Trevor's family in the Mumbles | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
were called the Collier family. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
So, if we come back to your second great-grandmother, Susanna Watts Collier. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
-She was born in 1826 in the Mumbles. -Right here. -Yes, indeed, right here. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:14 | |
That's why I've always felt comfortable | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
in the Mumbles on my holidays. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
And she was born to an Anne Phillips and a William Collier. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
Right? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
William Collier was a postman. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
William Collier's story will prove to be very important. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
Trevor is also keen to learn more about his grandfather, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Charles Hamer, from his mother's side of the family. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
Charles William Hamer, he was born, 1882, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
in Merthyr Tydfil, and he died, 1955, in Neath. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:51 | |
-He worked in the colliery as hewer and a repairer. -OK. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Trevor's grandfather, Charlie, married Gwladys. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
Gwladys was Trevor's grandmother. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Much later in life, she came to live with Trevor | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
and his mother in the family home in Birmingham. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
In trying to unravel the story of Gwladys, his grandmother, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
he will uncover a family secret kept hidden from Trevor | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
for more than 50 years. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Trevor's search for his ancestors begins in the heart of the Mumbles. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
Records show that his three times great-grandfather lived here, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
from 1818. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
His name was William Collier, and he married local girl, Anne Phillips. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:38 | |
Together, they had 11 children. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
In the Mumbles, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
and among the outlying farms dotted along these nearby cliffs, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
as the postman, William would've been a very familiar face. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
To try and help understand what the area was like at that time, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Trevor meets with Mumbles historian, Carol Powell, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
who has been researching Anne and William's story. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
So, William Collier, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
what would be, what would he have, what would it have been like for him? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:11 | |
He would have come, in about 1818, to a very small village. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
The entire parish was only about 1,000, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-so this corner of the parish would only have several hundred. -He lived...? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
He lived in the Dunns, which is near where the square is now, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
and, by 1841, he was up on the hill, up there. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
We don't know from the census which house it was. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
This is because he had, apparently, 11 children. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
-With Anne Phillips, who was a local girl. -Yes, yes. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
-He must have liked Anne Phillips, mustn't he? -Yes, he must have! | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Carol has a painting to show Trevor, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
believed to be the work of the local Swansea artist, JH Robinson. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
It shows the bay, called Oystermouth Bay, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
as it was in William's time. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Dominated then, as now, by Oystermouth Castle. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Where are we standing? | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Just about here or here, one of these. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
I think that's amazing. As William Collier would have known it. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
That's what he would've seen. The main industries at that time would have been oyster dredging, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
quarrying, farming, because all this was surrounded by farms. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Oystermouth didn't get its name by chance. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
Robinson's painting clearly shows the oyster fishermen at work. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
By about 1860-odd, there would have been 600 people | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
working in oyster dredging around here. That's a lot of people. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
-So, they got oysters here and supplied the rest of the country? -Yes. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
This traditional way of life lasted for centuries in Oystermouth. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
But, over the bay, Swansea's rapid industrialisation | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
and pollution from copper smelting, destroyed the oyster beds for ever. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
Later, tourism became the mainstay of the town. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
This became quite a sophisticated resort. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Yes, tourism was on the rise. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
-Yeah, and today, it's spectacular. -Yeah, its wonderful. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
It's easy to imagine why Trevor's three-times great-grandfather, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
William Collier, came to live here, in this beautiful part of the world. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
But Trevor will shortly learn that William was more | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
than simply the local Mumbles postman. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
I get the feeling that, on this day of surprises, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
I'm going to find out more about William Collier, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
and I will be extremely interested to do so. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
Trevor is heading back to All Saints Church, to learn | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
of William Collier's life before he came to settle in the Mumbles. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
He was the postman in the village of Mumbles. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
Right. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
But he also did other things. He was also the schoolmaster. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
-Yeah. -Which was... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Which can be echoed here, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
on the baptism of your two times great-grandmother, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
Susanna, Susanna Watts Collier, in 1826. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
Tells us that her parents were William and Anne, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
and he was a schoolmaster. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
This is believed to be the original school house | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
where William Collier taught. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
He was therefore clearly a well-educated man. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
Right. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
William had another life before he settled in the Mumbles | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
and Trevor is about to find out just how removed it was | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
from the tranquillity of this seaside town. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Unfortunately, we haven't got a photograph of William. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
He died in 1870. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
But what we can show you is what he looked like in 1814. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
William Collier. Wow. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
He was in the Prince of Wales Hussars. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
What happened to him? | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
He was in all this finery and then he became a postman. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
I've got an extract of his obituary here from the Cambrian News | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
which I'd like you to read from the top. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
"Cambrian News, 15th July. 1870. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
"A Mr William Collier died in his 77th year of his age. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
"For many years, he was a schoolmaster of the Swansea union | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
"but retired some years ago on superannuation. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
"He served with the 10th Hussars, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
"a crack regiment over the Prince Regent. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
"He was one of the few remaining of those who took part in the Battle of Waterloo." | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
What are your thoughts? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Wow. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
That's something, isn't it? That's...that IS something. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
"The few remaining of those who took part in the Battle of Waterloo." | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
My God. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
So you've learnt he was a distinguished man in Mumbles. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
But it's far removed from the elite military man. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
That's a strange move, isn't it? He's a sort of... | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
..a war, if not hero, honoured in battle, and then he... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:12 | |
I would suspect he wanted to be a prominent member | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
of a growing community and that's what he became. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Right. So he came here and sort of ran everything, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
so, in those days, if you were delivering the post and teaching at the school... | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
-There was no post office here then. But he was the postman. -Right. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
-He probably did it on horseback with his thing. -Indeed, indeed. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
-Well, that's... -Highly regarded. -That's something, that IS something. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
That's...that's fascinating and... | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
..a proud moment, that, isn't it? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
In 1815, French emperor Napoleon made his last stand | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
against the Duke of Wellington at Waterloo. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
As a cavalry soldier in the 10th Hussars, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
William Collier was in the heart of this famous battle. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
But why was Waterloo so celebrated in history? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
To find out more, Trevor joins expert Professor Chris Williams from Swansea University. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
The Battle of Waterloo takes place in June 1815 | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
and it's the culmination of what were called Napoleon's Hundred Days. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
Were they heroes after the Battle of Waterloo, that particular regiment? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
Anybody that served at Waterloo was regarded as a hero. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
It was the first battle in British history for which all ranks, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
that is, not just the officers but the private soldiers as well, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
were given a campaign medal and to be a Waterloo veteran | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
-was something that would have been... -So, I can be proud? | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
I think you can be proud. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
I think people would have been very impressed to have this man in their midst. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
As a cavalry soldier, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
William would have been thrust into head-to-head combat with the enemy. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
After the defeat of Napoleon, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
William Collier returned a hero | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
and back in the Mumbles | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
was appointed Ward of Oystermouth Castle, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
a position of great authority and responsibility. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
He became a prominent member of this society. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
He was the postman, he had the responsibility of everything. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
-Absolutely. -And the schoolteacher and... Wow. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
-He had quite a position of authority in the community. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
That's a very imposing man. That's fascinating. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
Trevor has clearly enjoyed learning of this story. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
I'm genuinely thrilled and now, of course, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
I will become an obsessive researcher of the battle of the Waterloo. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
I expected some sort of creative, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
maybe an artist or a musician or something, you know... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
..who destroyed themselves through excess of some substance, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
but...something tragic like that, but not a military hero. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
You know, the battle of Waterloo, that's quite something. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Trevor has enjoyed his time here in the Mumbles, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
but very soon he must leave this area | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
and move on to the next revelation in his family story. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
He came to the Mumbles on many family holidays as a young boy. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
So this spot has always had a very special place in his heart. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
But now he's anxious to follow the story of his grandparents, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
from his mother's side of the family tree - | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
his much-loved grandmother, Gwladys | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
and his grandfather, Charlie, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
a coal miner from Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
So does Trevor know how his grandfather | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
came here to Swansea | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
from his home in Merthyr, some 40 miles away? | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
I don't know how he ended up in Swansea, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
I don't know whether it's because he... | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
No, I don't suppose he'd have met my grandmother Gwladys... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
and followed her. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:57 | |
No, I don't know. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
I would like to know about... Grandpa Charlie, yeah. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
In fact, Trevor is passing Swansea Prison | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
where his grandfather was sent, in 1911. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
It's a story as yet, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
Trevor knows nothing about. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
To learn of this episode, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Trevor is heading for the Rhondda Heritage Centre, near Pontypridd. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
His grandfather was a hewer in the South Wales mines. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
As a young man, he lost his father, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
which seems to have had a direct affect on the next part of his life, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
as Mike Churchill-Jones has discovered. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Your great-grandfather, he died a premature death at the age of 45. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
Right. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
And...your grandfather was 16 when this occurred. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
-Mm-hm. -The mother decided to marry again, some eight months later. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
She didn't hang around then. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
-She didn't hang around... -OK. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
-..created a bit of upheaval in your grandfather's life. -Uh-huh. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
He basically...he descended into drink, as far as I can tell | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
and it caused him to get in trouble with the authorities. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
This is an extract from the assizes in 1910, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
which just outlines three offences. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Drunk and disorderly... | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
-Uh-huh. -..and he was selling liquor without a licence... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
-Uh-huh. -..and then finally... | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
-Oh. -..he assaulted someone, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
and he was on bail at the time. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
So, he went to prison? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
We find him in 1911... | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
-Ah, yes. -..in the prison in Swansea. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
So this is my grandfather's...? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
No, this is your grandfather. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
This is Charles William Hamer, born 1882 in Troedyrhiw, in Merthyr. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
Oh, this is my grandfather? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
If you turn the page, you'll actually find him. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
I'm with it, just takes a bit of time for these stories to sink in. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
So, his father died at 45. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
-Yes. -..and then his mother remarried, he got upset by it, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
turned to drink and started - by all accounts - | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
beating people up in the local community. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
He did, by the looks of it. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
He was a tough man. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
He was a tough man and he was known as a boxer and a fighter, wasn't he? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
-He was sentenced to 12 months hard labour. -Oh, my God! | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
As if he wasn't going to do enough hard labour in his life anyway. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
But I think that's turned his life around. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
As far as I know, his life was much better from there on. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
Well, good for him, good for him. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Trevor was aged just four when his grandfather Charlie died. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
Now, he wants to follow the story of Gwladys, his grandmother | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
who came from Glynneath. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Whilst in Wales, Trevor is staying in Swansea, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
but for the next part of his journey | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
he's setting off to nearby Glynneath. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Well, I think it's easier for me to make contact with Glynneath | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
because that's a place where I... I stayed as a child | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
and my memories are there and my mother... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
..although I grew up with her in Birmingham, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
she maintained and kept her Welshness absolutely sacrosanct. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
So...this has a much more direct emotional connection | 0:17:15 | 0:17:22 | |
than William Collier, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
my great-great-great-grandfather in the battle of Waterloo, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
which is wonderful, but that's more of a sort of... | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
..an objective appreciation than an emotional connection. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Trevor's mother, Elsie, was keen for him to know of his Welsh roots | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
and as a young boy he even learnt to sing in Welsh. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
I have a...powerful baritone, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
and I think that... | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
..I think that... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
..probably in ancient times... | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
..my ancestors had that echoing around the valleys, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
yeah, I sense that. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
In fact, his singing voice will later be put to the test | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
as waiting to surprise him is the Glynneath Male Voice Choir. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
CHOIR SINGS IN WELSH | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
But how much Welsh does Trevor really understand? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
The Welsh speaking used to happen on the phone. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
You'd hear, "Oh, no. Oh! No!" | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
And then the next lot would be Welsh, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
cos that's where the secrets were always - | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
that's why I sort of associate the Welsh language with secrets. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Trevor is about to learn of one of those secrets. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
He's finally arriving in Glynneath | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
and the small village of Pontneddfechan, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
the place that has been home to generations of his family. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
It's here that his mother Elsie lived | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
and where his grandmother Gwladys ran the local pub. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Being here in this village is very important to Trevor. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Still nestling on the banks of the Nedd Fechan river, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
in the heart of the village, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
is the White Horse Inn, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
the home of his mother and grandmother to whom he was so close. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
Here, he will learn of a secret involving his grandparents | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
that his family never shared with him. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Growing up, Trevor always knew that his grandparents had two children. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
His mum, Elsie and his much-loved Uncle Jack. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
-They had two children. -Yes. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
They had your mother, who was born in 1915. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
-That's right. -And Jack was born in 1920. -Yeah. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-But there were other children born to them. -Ah. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
In between... | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
..there was a child, called Alban Charles Hamer... | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
born in 1918. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
And that's his death certificate. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
-So, he died when he was...? -Five months. -Five months. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
That's interesting because there's always been talk of an Alban. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
-Has there? -Yeah, but... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
..not that he died as a child. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
He was five months old. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
And there was another child... | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
born in 1925, called Maud, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
who only lived... | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
One hour! | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
Premature birth. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Two children you never knew anything about. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
No, I never knew anything about them. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Your aunt and uncle. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Well... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
I've learnt about that in front of | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
however many hundreds of thousands of viewers there are. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
That's kind of... | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
Hmm. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
It's funny how people never tell you these things, isn't it? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
Poor people. That's a tragedy, isn't it? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Well! | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
That's something. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
That's something. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
So, my mother was...ten. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
It's interesting because I don't know if this goes anyway to explaining my mother's... | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
..departure from this part of the world when she was 16. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
I don't know that that does, but it's interesting, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
cos no-one ever really knew and she never talked about | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
why she left this part of the world when she was... | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
..16, which is 1931, which was quite something to do, in those days. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
Well. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
I wonder if my auntie knows of these... | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
..and my brother doesn't, my... | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
How extraordinary. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
Clearly not having his mother or grandmother | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
to share this story with him has deeply affected Trevor. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Learning for the first time of an auntie and uncle | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
he knew nothing about. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
I just feel... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
I feel excluded, really. You feel sad. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
Sad and excluded. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
God, 1918, 1925, here. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
The isolation and the fact that they lived with that pain and... | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
..there was no-one to counsel them or get them through it, you know? | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
I think those things are important to pass on. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Cos experience helps people live... with their present. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
Extraordinary. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
HE SNIFFS | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Back at the White Horse Pub, the Glynneath Male Voice Choir | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
are busy rehearsing a homecoming performance for Trevor. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
Trevor did have a much-loved uncle in Wales | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
who made it into adulthood - his uncle Jack. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
Sadly, Jack died a few years ago | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
but his widow, Glenys | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
still lives nearby, with first cousin, Nigel. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
I don't know whether you know about Elsie's... | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
there was Uncle Jack... | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
and there were two other children. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:44 | |
I knew you would. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Well, I don't, but I remember your... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
..one of them died... | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
..in the flu epidemic. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
There was Alban... | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
-That's right. -We knew about him. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
..who was five-months-old and he died of pneumonia... | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
-That's right. -..in 1918. -Hmm. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
No-one ever told me this, though. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
And there was Maud, who was... | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
born in 1925, lived for one hour. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
A premature birth. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
-Yes. -Well, our grandmother was Gwladys Maud. -Yeah. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
Yes. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
But I do remember her talking about this when the epidemic... | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
So, you knew about that? I told you my auntie Glenys would know. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
She knows everything. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Em...now, what else was there? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
Well, you can see that I'm... | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
..strongly Welsh. HE LAUGHS | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-We always thought you were, Trev. -It's amazing, I think. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
There's one final treat in store at the White Horse Inn, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Trevor's family pub... | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
a performance from the Glynneath Male Voice Choir. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
Hello. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
-ALL: -Hello. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
Joined by his auntie Glenys and cousin Nigel, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
Trevor is about to learn | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
that he's not just here to listen. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
They tell me you've got a fine, baritone voice. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
-Would you like to join the choir for Calon Lan? -Of course? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
THE CHOIR LAUGHS I don't know... | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
I don't know the words. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
What are we going to sing then, lads? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
-CHOIR: -Calon Lan. -Oh, God! | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
# Nid wy'n gofyn bywyd moethus | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
# Aur y byd na'i berlau man | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
# Gofyn wyf am galon hapus | 0:26:45 | 0:26:51 | |
# Calon onest, calon lan... # | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
'I feel...defined,' | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
sort of character and personality-wise, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
by a Welsh temperament. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
I recognise myself through my mother | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
in terms of emotional expression. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
# Calon lan yn llawn daioni | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
# Tecach yw na'r lili dlos... # | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
It is important to pass it on to my children | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
and I think they're very aware of their heritage. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
# Canu'r dydd a chanu'r nos. # | 0:27:27 | 0:27:40 | |
CHOIR APPLAUDS | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
I must say, I was really honoured to be asked | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
to have my Welsh connections recognised | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
by somebody other than myself | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
cos I've obviously always been... totally aware of them. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
So I've felt very flattered by that and... | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Yeah, it feels that I've made a kind of public display | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
about my Welshness, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
and that I'm proud of. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
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