Episode 2 Dangerous Borders: A Journey across India & Pakistan


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This is one of the world's most dangerous borders,

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dividing two nations - India and Pakistan.

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2,000 miles long, it slices through extraordinary landscapes

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and divides millions of people who once lived alongside each other.

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I'm Babita Sharma and I'm a journalist.

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My family, as Hindus,

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were forced to move into what became independent India.

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Primarily, I identify with being British.

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That's who I am, I was born and brought up in Britain.

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But I'm also really passionate about my culture as an Indian person.

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I'm going to be travelling the border from the Indian side.

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Wow! It's mind-blowing.

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I'm Adnan Sarwar. I was in the British Army

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and now work for The Economist.

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My Muslim parents were born in what is now Pakistan.

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I've got to know what it means to be a Pakistani

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and what it means to these people here living as Pakistanis

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and what it means to my mum and dad to be Pakistanis.

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I'm going to be travelling the length of the border

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on the Pakistani side, a country that's just 70 years old.

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Have you ever seen water like this? Look at the colour of it!

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When Britain gave India its independence,

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it split the nation along religious lines,

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carving out a new Muslim state.

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Since then, there has been frequent conflict along this border

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that, to this day, very few can cross.

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You can't know Pakistan unless you know partition.

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GUNSHOT

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They're just saying, "We want independence!" "Go India!"

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"Go Pakistan!" "We just want to be free!"

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Yet after two generations apart, these two countries

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with such strong ties to Britain

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still have so much in common and so much to celebrate.

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It's fantastic. We're going to have a great night here tonight.

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My gosh, I have just found a whole new family

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I didn't even know existed!

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We're making two journeys with the same goal -

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to discover how a line on the map has altered

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the destinies of two countries that used to be one.

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I'm headed for the mighty Punjab,

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a state that was split between India and Pakistan at partition.

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It's one of huge importance to both countries and to me.

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For me now, the journey's getting very personal.

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I'm heading into Punjab, which is where my family are from.

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My mum was born in Punjab, my father was,

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my grandfathers died here and I'm just worried about

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whether or not I'm going to feel a connection to this place

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and you know that this is Punjab. We're going into Punjab.

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Look at it - it's green, it's lush.

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I'm coming home!

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I'll be travelling almost 200 miles north to Chandigarh,

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independent India's city of the future.

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Then through Amritsar, spiritual centre for the Sikh community.

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I'll end my journey in the north of Punjab at Dera Baba Nanak,

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right on the Pakistan border.

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From Rajasthan - shoe repairing, shoe polish.

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-Shoe polish?

-Yes.

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-20.

-20 rupees?

-Yes.

-That's about 10p.

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No.

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HE SINGS

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That is what you call a Punjabi greeting.

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I've also crossed into Punjab, but on the Pakistani side of the border.

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Like Babita and thousands of Brits, I have roots here that stretch

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all the way back to my family home, which, for me, is in Burnley.

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This is it. We've just hit the end of Sindh

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and the start of the Punjab.

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"Welcome to the Punjab."

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-How far are we from India?

-About 30 miles from the Indian border.

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About 30 miles that way. And then my hometown is in Punjab.

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So we're heading north.

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I'm going to be travelling with my local producer

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and fellow Punjabi, Khalid.

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Our journey will take us along the border with India,

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visiting the city of Lahore

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and then on via Jassar to Kharian,

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my parent's hometown,

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a total of 500 miles.

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When India was divided, Pakistan got the lion's share of Punjab.

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80% of it lies on this side of the border

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and it's home to over 100 million Pakistanis,

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half the country's population.

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It's agricultural riches are legendary.

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Fed by five rivers,

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Punjab's farmland produces 20 million tonnes of wheat every year.

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But there's a new chapter beginning here.

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Pakistanis have started to harvest another of their natural resources,

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one that shows no sign of running out.

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Sunshine.

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This is the Qaid-e-Azam Solar Park, all ten square miles of it,

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and it makes a hell of a statement about where Punjab is heading.

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Nearly half of Pakistani households don't have mains electricity

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and for those that do, the supply is unreliable.

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I remember often being plunged into the dark when I visited as a kid.

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Now, the lights should stay on in 100,000 homes and businesses,

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just as long as the sun shines.

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-VOICEOVER:

-Engineer Jahanzeb has been here from the beginning.

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-So there was nothing here three years ago?

-Yeah, there was nothing.

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This was all just a piece of wasteland,

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just like you came here and the way you saw us.

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Just huge sand dunes,

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maybe there was a nomad herding their camels or maybe goats.

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That's it.

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This is just one part of a huge collaboration

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between Pakistan and China worth £46 billion of investment.

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The forward-thinking Jahanzeb welcomes this with open arms.

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So, what language do you speak to the Chinese in?

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At times, we had some Chinese translators who could speak Urdu...

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-Wow!

-And who could speak English as well.

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But when you see a Chinese, you get a look, "OK, he's a foreigner,"

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but he does things just like you do,

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he thinks like you, and after some time, you feel like,

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"We are the same," and in the future, maybe five to ten years,

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we might have some mix here - some Chinese culture we are having

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and some Pakistani culture they are having.

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It's not all this innocent, of course.

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China's aims are strategic.

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And Pakistan, well, it needs the money.

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It's that melting pot where...

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So the Chinese are absolutely influencing Pakistan

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and Pakistan is absolutely influencing the Chinese.

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You're swapping biryanis and tea and language.

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What sells well if not technology?

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And talking of food, it's midday - time to eat.

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And there's further evidence of the Chinese influence here.

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Yeah, definitely. Sorry, what's your name?

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-My name is Kaka.

-Kaka?

-Yes, yes.

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-Kaka, is that Chinese?

-It's Pakistan...

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-Kaka means "baby" in Punjabi.

-I like this name.

-OK.

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-VOICEOVER:

-These guys all work together,

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but some things just don't mix -

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food in the works canteen.

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So the chef caters for both Pakistani and Chinese food.

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I'm not very good with chopsticks. If you can show me, I'll do it.

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I think I've got it.

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Oh, look, look.

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OK, OK!

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-Is that right?

-Yeah.

-OK.

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After lunch, Jahanzeb takes me to a place

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that's special to him -

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the tree that was his shady office

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when his plans first came to fruition.

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-My good old friend.

-THEY LAUGH

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-VOICEOVER:

-He's only 25, but he's already changing people's lives.

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On the way here, I saw solar panels on local homes.

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I'm imagining that the locals just call in to the centre

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-and ask for advice.

-Yes, nearly every day. What should I do?

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What appliances should I connect? Is it safe?

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That's really, really good, isn't it?

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You built this as a pilot project, the knowledge seeped out

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into the local area and now everybody's getting solar panels.

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-That's it.

-So the energy crisis or whatever it is, the energy problem

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that you've got is starting to solve itself because it's harder for you

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to do it for 200 million people if they start doing it for themselves.

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In a sense, yes.

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Skilled people like Jahanzeb now have more reason

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not to go abroad to work.

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I know it's a bit difficult to stay in Pakistan,

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but I think we have more scope here.

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We can go to West to do something, like, OK,

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-but I think our place is here in Pakistan.

-I believe it.

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-I believe you're going to change Pakistan.

-Yes.

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Pakistan's unlikely to forge an economic relationship with India

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any time soon, so they have to make friends elsewhere.

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But with China holding the real power in this special relationship,

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I wonder if Pakistan is playing with fire.

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300 miles across the border from Adnan,

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I've arrived on the Indian side of Punjab.

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We've finally got here.

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We are in Punjab and it feels so good to be here.

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-Puneet!

-Babita!

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VOICEOVER: Later, I meet my local guide Puneet, who's going to give me

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a tour of this strikingly different city.

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-Good to finally see you.

-It feels good to be in Punjab.

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-And here you go with your Bad Attitude.

-Oh, this is my one?

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Bad Attitude - that says "bad-ass"! You know me already, right?

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-You're Punjabi.

-Right, exactly.

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Cycling in London can be chaotic,

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but here, on these tree-lined boulevards, it's pure joy.

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These buildings are incredible.

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Yes, so Chandigarh was just designed like that.

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It was one of the first planned cities of India

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and it had a team of European architects

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who worked here with the Indian architects

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and tried to blend modern architecture

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with traditional materials,

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so you have really interesting designs

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because that's what they were experimenting with at that time.

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-This is all modernist.

-It's beautiful, that is.

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Stunning!

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When partition split Punjab,

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its capital, Lahore, fell on the Pakistani side.

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So India's first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru,

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decided to create a new capital - a city like no other.

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In my head, Punjab's always been about farms and haystacks

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and tractors, and then boom!

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You've got this, which is modern architecture at its most brilliant.

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In 1951, Nehru invited the architect Le Corbusier,

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the father of modernism,

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to design and build a symbolic city of the future.

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Nehru's vision was for an ordered and disciplined city

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with modern Western ideals at its heart.

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It was designed for half a million people.

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Twice as many live here now,

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among them, many of the wealthy civil servants and their families.

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It has a touch of the Milton Keynes about it, complete with a sculpture

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which can be seen as either a welcoming hand or a dove of peace.

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Both work for me.

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While Babita is still exploring the capital of Indian Punjab,

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I'm on my way to the capital of Pakistani Punjab, Lahore.

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I've never been on a Pakistani train before.

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I've seen them in the films, I've seen them on telly.

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I've never been on one before. I'm really excited to get on this.

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Oh, whoa!

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The railways came to India in the mid-19th century

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and are one of the more useful legacies of the British Raj.

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They were nationalised at partition

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and now carry 65 million passengers every year in Pakistan.

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-VOICEOVER:

-It's a four-hour journey so I've plenty of time

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to meet a few of my fellow travellers.

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Assalaamu Alaikum.

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They're on a preaching trip.

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So they're preaching to other people?

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Seven months, uh-huh.

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I have to admire the fact that these guys are happy

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to risk being left behind rather than miss their prayers.

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The next train to Lahore isn't for 24 hours.

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We're off.

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Whoa, whoa!

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I'm not a strict Muslim, but meeting these guys has made me

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think about what it is to be one.

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Right now, Muslims are in this very special place in the media

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where they're just picked on.

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Muslims are picked on, you can't deny that, and they're picked on

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with things like, you know, the travel ban and stuff like that.

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I am who I am. I'm not embarrassed about being Pakistani.

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I'm certainly not embarrassed about my parents.

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I'm not embarrassed where I come from because that is who I am,

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this is what I look like, this is the language I speak,

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this is where my parents are from

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and I have to find out whether I can love Pakistan

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and I have to let it be part of me as well.

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It's six o'clock in the evening

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and we've finally made it to the beating heart of Punjab.

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We're in Lahore. Look - Lahore.

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Platform 4.

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Assalaamu Alaikum.

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-VOICEOVER:

-I am completely unknown in Pakistan,

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but suddenly, arriving with a film crew,

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I've become a minor celebrity.

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This is Mr May and this is Khalid here.

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Well, what's...

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-Who's this?

-I don't know, I don't know. Just get a picture, it's fine.

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We've got the station manager here.

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HE ADDRESSES MAN IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE

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-Special Ticket Examiner.

-Special Ticket Examiner.

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It's the next morning

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and I want to explore a city I've visited only once before.

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Even though it's unfamiliar,

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I keep getting reminders of my home in Burnley.

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Hookahs.

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We used to have one of these in the living room, my dad used to smoke it

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all the time and it stank the living room out, so my mum banned it.

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"Get out! Get out!"

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These ones, yeah, yeah. Oi-oi-oi!

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Oi-oi-oi!

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These hookah pipes were filled with rough tobacco. It looks like rope.

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I can remember the sound as my dad broke it up,

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cracking and twisting it.

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The smell of it reminds me of him,

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though he'd hate it if I started smoking.

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Once the capital of the Mughal Empire,

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it's now the home of the Pakistani literary scene,

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a vibrant film industry and some of the country's top universities.

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Before partition, a third of the residents were Hindu and Sikh.

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Now, this city of seven million is 94% Muslim,

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which tells its own story.

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Partition is the reality of this country.

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It's the way this country was born. It's in these people.

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You can't know Pakistan unless you know partition.

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I'm on my way to meet people who experienced it first-hand,

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husband and wife Mohammad Yousef and Iqbal Bibi,

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whose experiences are typical of many here.

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As Muslims, they had to leave their homes in eastern Punjab.

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Mohammad was already a young man, but Iqbal Bibi was just 13.

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It took them 70 days to walk 100 miles to safety.

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Hearing Iqbal Bibi and Mohammad's story makes me realise

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that my grandparents were spared simply by chance

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because they already lived in what became Pakistani Punjab.

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It's estimated that up to two million Muslims,

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Sikhs and Hindus died

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and over 14 million people were forced to move during partition.

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You should know the history of people

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to understand where they are now.

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Maybe if you don't understand the way Pakistanis and Indians are,

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why they're always angry with each other,

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why they're always arguing with each other,

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just go back a little bit and have a look at partition.

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It's the complete desperation of it, you know?

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I'm 150 miles from Adnan in Lahore, still in Chandigarh,

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the lovely ordered city of the future.

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But the future is now the present,

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and for many, it's not the utopia that was promised.

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I'm meeting Sawan, Punjab's answer to a kind of Banksy.

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For the last ten years, he's been creating political art in the city.

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So, tell me what Sawanism is - #sawanism.

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My name is Sawan and Sawanism is my way of living,

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like Hindus and Buddhism,

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so it's my own personal thing, the way of my life.

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Sawan's work challenges what he sees

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as a worrying rise in Indian nationalism.

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He's a passionate activist calling for social change.

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Wherever there's suppression, there will be art like this.

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Graffiti was normally started,

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done by those people who want to scream out loud.

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-What do Punjabis want to scream out, though?

-A lot of things.

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We all are guinea pigs, you know?

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We are trained to behave in a certain way

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and there are some tools

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used by politicians, governments to control us.

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For example, we have created that villain

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which is so-called Pakistan or Islam,

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so we have created the villain

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so that people will believe in governments, in army,

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and we feel we are patriots, we are nationalists and we feel that,

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OK, we are from India or we are from this country, that country,

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but that's been designed

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so that the business of politics and war keep on happening.

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-We are Punjabis.

-We are Punjabis, no?

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Feel proud to be Punjabis.

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But that's actually the root cause of war.

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For me, there's something ironic

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that even in a city designed for the future,

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India cannot escape its past.

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-So, are we done?

-Yes, we are done.

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So this middle figure represents the politicians

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or the people in power and this poor guy is the common man.

0:23:250:23:30

This is the guy who chooses them

0:23:310:23:33

and this is the guy who is holding the burden of their weight.

0:23:330:23:36

Sawan's highly critical take on India's powerful elite

0:23:380:23:42

challenges the status quo.

0:23:420:23:44

The fact that he can throw down such a provocative gauntlet

0:23:440:23:47

to the powerful, and in such a public way, has to be a good thing.

0:23:470:23:51

If Babita is meeting the Indian Banksy,

0:24:050:24:08

then I'm greeting Pakistan's answer to Bono...

0:24:080:24:12

HE SINGS

0:24:120:24:16

..long-time rebel rock star Salman Ahmad.

0:24:160:24:19

-So, I started off with a band called Vital Signs.

-Vital Signs!

0:24:190:24:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:24:240:24:25

So, we had a hit called Dil Dil Pakistan.

0:24:250:24:28

-Dil Dil Pakistan.

-Have you heard it?

0:24:280:24:30

Of course I've heard it.

0:24:300:24:31

I'll tell you right now, every Pakistani in Burnley knew that song.

0:24:310:24:34

# Dil dil Pakistan

0:24:340:24:37

# Jan jan Pakistan... #

0:24:370:24:39

For almost every Pakistani, the song,

0:24:390:24:41

which means "my heart is Pakistan",

0:24:410:24:43

became a sort of alternative national anthem.

0:24:430:24:46

We're surrounded by kids here.

0:24:470:24:50

What's the Pakistan that they've got?

0:24:500:24:53

70% of Pakistan is under the age of 20.

0:24:530:24:55

70% of Pakistan is under the age of 20?

0:24:550:24:58

So more than 100 million people are under the age of 20.

0:24:580:25:01

It's a huge, huge youth pulse,

0:25:010:25:04

a potential which can either go towards creativity and positivity

0:25:040:25:08

or, if it gets frustrated, it can go south, you know?

0:25:080:25:13

But they don't trust the leadership.

0:25:130:25:16

They know the leadership is corrupt to the core.

0:25:160:25:18

In 1996, Salman and his band Junoon

0:25:200:25:23

challenged Pakistan's political corruption head on.

0:25:230:25:26

So, who was the song aimed at?

0:25:280:25:31

At this corrupt status quo

0:25:310:25:33

because the ruling elite has plundered this country

0:25:330:25:36

so it's a huge anthem which is played at political rallies

0:25:360:25:41

and the basic message is the answer to every question is accountability

0:25:410:25:44

and it was banned.

0:25:440:25:46

They banned us indefinitely, but, in 1999, ironically,

0:25:460:25:51

-there was a military coup.

-Yes!

-THEY LAUGH

0:25:510:25:53

And it turned out that General Musharraf was a huge fan.

0:25:530:25:56

-His kids were huge fans.

-Sorted.

-"You're not bad!"

0:25:560:25:59

-A dictator freed you.

-Yes!

-THEY LAUGH

0:26:020:26:06

Musharraf is just one of the 13 leaders in Pakistan

0:26:080:26:12

who have been forced out of office before completing a full term.

0:26:120:26:16

In July 2017, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif resigned

0:26:160:26:20

over claims of corruption whilst protesting his innocence.

0:26:200:26:24

It was his third resignation.

0:26:240:26:26

It's not just Adnan who has his finger on the musical pulse

0:26:310:26:34

on our parallel journeys along the border.

0:26:340:26:36

PHONE RINGTONE

0:26:360:26:39

Sawan?

0:26:390:26:41

-Hello?

-Hello.

-How are you doing?

0:26:430:26:45

VOICEOVER: Artist Sawan has invited me

0:26:450:26:47

to experience Chandigarh's nightlife.

0:26:470:26:50

OK, it's a surprise. That sounds interesting.

0:26:500:26:52

And if anyone knows how to party, it's us Punjabis.

0:26:520:26:55

-How you doing?

-You are here.

0:26:550:26:57

-You're looking...

-Cool!

-Very cool! Look at you!

0:26:570:27:02

THEY RAP

0:27:020:27:06

This is hip-hop Indian-style.

0:27:070:27:11

CHEERING

0:27:130:27:15

Ten years ago, Navdeep and Harsimran formed Kru172

0:27:150:27:19

and they've built a solid fanbase throughout India and beyond.

0:27:190:27:23

HE RAPS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE

0:27:250:27:28

VOICEOVER: Unlike some gangsta rap, Kru172 aren't interested

0:27:280:27:31

in glorifying drugs and violence.

0:27:310:27:33

They think that hip-hop can offer young people

0:27:330:27:36

a different, more positive message.

0:27:360:27:38

Yes! Yes, yes, that was wicked!

0:27:460:27:48

-Thank you so much.

-I love that!

0:27:480:27:50

VOICEOVER: The anti-drug message isn't just a gimmick.

0:27:500:27:53

It's a message they live their life by

0:27:530:27:55

and encourage their fans to do the same.

0:27:550:27:58

So, like, we are the only two guys in the whole family tree

0:27:590:28:03

-that are, like, clean.

-Totally clean.

-You don't drink?

0:28:030:28:06

-No drinking, no smoking.

-No other drugs.

0:28:060:28:08

So, we wanted to tell everybody that you can still be super-cool

0:28:080:28:13

when you're clean.

0:28:130:28:15

The boys have got a really strong message that they're trying

0:28:180:28:21

to get across through their music, through hip-hop,

0:28:210:28:23

which has always been associated with drugs and alcohol

0:28:230:28:26

and getting high.

0:28:260:28:28

They're trying to say that you don't have to do that here in Punjab,

0:28:280:28:31

particularly for young Punjabis,

0:28:310:28:34

and nobody in there at the gig was drinking

0:28:340:28:37

and we all had a wicked night.

0:28:370:28:39

I want you all to make some noise...

0:28:410:28:44

CHEERING

0:28:440:28:46

I was aware there was a drug problem here,

0:28:520:28:55

but I didn't know how widespread the issue was.

0:28:550:28:57

A lot of heroin from Afghanistan makes its way

0:28:570:29:00

through the porous border in Pakistan and then into Punjab.

0:29:000:29:04

The state has an estimated four million addicts.

0:29:040:29:07

And what I want to work out is why so many people in Punjab take drugs

0:29:090:29:13

and what it is that is being done to tackle the problem.

0:29:130:29:17

I've been told, to my surprise,

0:29:170:29:20

that the fastest growing group of addicts are women.

0:29:200:29:23

Dr Bhatia opened this wing at the clinic in 2016.

0:29:230:29:27

-Nice to meet you, Dr Bhatia.

-Hello, Babita.

0:29:270:29:30

-Thank you so much for having me here.

-Let me see.

0:29:300:29:33

It's an incredible building.

0:29:330:29:35

This was created about eight, ten years back

0:29:350:29:37

and now it's the only female rehab centre.

0:29:370:29:41

And is this a fairly new thing?

0:29:410:29:43

There is the latest thing that what men can do, women can do.

0:29:430:29:48

The working women who are earning

0:29:480:29:50

and the girlfriends who are trying to be showing

0:29:500:29:52

that they are independent has brought up about

0:29:520:29:55

a new revolution of people who are into drugs

0:29:550:29:58

and most of them are women

0:29:580:30:00

and they are trying to show that they are modern.

0:30:000:30:03

If you can drink, I can drink with you.

0:30:030:30:06

If you can take heroin, I can also take heroin.

0:30:060:30:09

Trying to show that you have an identity.

0:30:090:30:11

Come with me.

0:30:110:30:13

VOICEOVER: There's little help available for people struggling

0:30:130:30:16

with addiction, but, for a small number,

0:30:160:30:19

this clinic can offer hope.

0:30:190:30:21

How old are you?

0:30:220:30:23

-I'm 21.

-What were you addicted to?

0:30:230:30:27

I was addicted to weed, hash and brown sugar and heroin.

0:30:270:30:32

And how often were you taking the heroin?

0:30:320:30:34

Sometimes, it was 10-12 lines per day.

0:30:340:30:38

I was so much addicted to drugs on that time

0:30:380:30:42

that I left going to the college, also.

0:30:420:30:43

They were really shocked that I was into drugs.

0:30:500:30:53

It is a big problem in Punjab right now.

0:30:530:30:56

-So, it is not difficult to get heroin?

-Not at all.

0:30:560:31:00

By staying here, I got so much positivity.

0:31:000:31:02

It's all about life lessons,

0:31:020:31:04

that how we should manage our life without drugs.

0:31:040:31:07

This help is only available privately

0:31:070:31:10

and it's said that the stigma of having a female relative

0:31:100:31:14

with a drug addiction means that families often refuse

0:31:140:31:16

to get the women the help that they need.

0:31:160:31:19

There's a woman over there, she's probably about my mum's age,

0:31:200:31:24

and she's just been admitted.

0:31:240:31:26

It's her first day here and she's with her family at the moment,

0:31:260:31:29

but she's here because she's addicted to prescription drugs.

0:31:290:31:32

And not that you can ever tell what an addict looks like,

0:31:340:31:37

but this is a traditional Punjabi woman wearing a suit

0:31:370:31:41

and she's got a serious problem.

0:31:410:31:44

That's not the India I was expecting to see.

0:31:440:31:47

It's not the Punjab that I thought I would discover.

0:31:470:31:51

Pakistan shares many of India's problems,

0:32:000:32:04

but whilst India has the seventh largest economy in the world,

0:32:040:32:07

Pakistan ranks only 39th.

0:32:070:32:10

With almost 60% of the population illiterate

0:32:100:32:13

and 40% living below the poverty line,

0:32:130:32:16

it's hard to know how the situation can get better any time soon,

0:32:160:32:20

but I'm going to meet some people

0:32:200:32:22

who might be able to make a difference.

0:32:220:32:24

An industrialist and his wife have invited me

0:32:250:32:29

to an exclusive party at their luxury home

0:32:290:32:32

to meet some of the financial movers and shakers of Lahore.

0:32:320:32:35

Sorry, what do you do?

0:32:350:32:38

Well, we run the largest transport network in Pakistan,

0:32:380:32:43

passenger and cargo.

0:32:430:32:45

I run, like, multiple offices.

0:32:450:32:47

I have offices in LA, China, Bangkok, Australia, the UK.

0:32:470:32:51

For the past 20 years, Pakistan has suffered from an increasing number

0:32:530:32:57

of people going to work abroad, now an estimated six million.

0:32:570:33:01

If things are going to improve here,

0:33:010:33:04

there has to be a reason for people to stay.

0:33:040:33:06

Pakistan's got a bad, bad press in Britain, definitely,

0:33:060:33:10

and it's got a fairly bad press around the world.

0:33:100:33:12

How do you feel about Pakistan? Are you optimistic about Pakistan?

0:33:120:33:15

-Of course.

-Yeah, I'm optimistic.

0:33:150:33:18

If somebody who visited Pakistan ten years ago

0:33:180:33:21

and somebody who has visited Pakistan now, like you,

0:33:210:33:24

and you see all around you, you will not recognise anything.

0:33:240:33:29

I mean, our infrastructure is better,

0:33:290:33:31

our electricity situation is better, our public transport is better.

0:33:310:33:36

We have metro trains, we have public transportation systems.

0:33:360:33:39

Our telecommunication is better. The schooling system is better.

0:33:390:33:44

Our security systems are better.

0:33:440:33:46

So, I mean, we are moving in the right direction.

0:33:460:33:49

The change I've seen, it's phenomenal. It's just unbelievable.

0:33:490:33:52

-Like what?

-In, like, lifestyle. The people, they're so much fashionable.

0:33:520:33:56

They're exposed to so many different things in life

0:33:560:33:59

and it's getting better.

0:33:590:34:00

As an entrepreneur, I think it's a gold mine.

0:34:000:34:03

I think, if anyone missed out on India,

0:34:030:34:06

then they need to invest in Pakistan today.

0:34:060:34:08

We're ten years behind, but we're going to be big.

0:34:080:34:12

The young entrepreneurs I've met tonight have got the vision

0:34:140:34:18

and belief to drive the economy forward.

0:34:180:34:21

They make no apology about being here to make big money.

0:34:210:34:24

They could be working anywhere in the world making a fortune,

0:34:240:34:27

but they choose to remain in Pakistan and that's got to be good.

0:34:270:34:32

It's time to leave Chandigarh behind

0:34:400:34:42

and head off in search of my family and the house my mum grew up in.

0:34:420:34:47

We're going to go and visit the family home,

0:34:500:34:53

which is still within the family so we'll get to see, I'm hoping,

0:34:530:34:57

the room that she was born in.

0:34:570:34:58

My mum hasn't been back there for over 20-odd years.

0:34:580:35:02

I've never been there, my sisters have never been there,

0:35:020:35:05

but we've always heard about this place.

0:35:050:35:07

My uncle has told me to head to the small village called Banga.

0:35:090:35:12

-Banga?

-Banga, Banga.

-Banga?

0:35:130:35:16

HE SPEAKS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE

0:35:160:35:18

MAN SPEAKS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE

0:35:180:35:21

That's hilarious because he just said, "It's straight ahead,"

0:35:230:35:26

and that's exactly what my uncle said to me in England

0:35:260:35:28

when I asked him, "When I get to Banga, Mum's village,

0:35:280:35:32

"how am I going to find out where the family home is?"

0:35:320:35:35

And he said, "You just go there and then you kind of find it."

0:35:350:35:41

Nice to see a corner shop cos we, Mum and Dad,

0:35:490:35:52

our family have corner shops, so that's quite reassuring.

0:35:520:35:56

I feel a little bit at home seeing that.

0:35:560:35:58

A few streets away, we finally find Mum's old house,

0:36:000:36:03

where some of my family still live.

0:36:030:36:06

I'm going to cry! Sorry!

0:36:080:36:10

Oh, they're doing a ceremony.

0:36:160:36:18

This is for blessing cos it's the first time

0:36:180:36:19

I'm coming to cross the threshold.

0:36:190:36:21

You look so different!

0:36:210:36:23

These are my cousins and the last time I saw them

0:36:240:36:26

was about 20 years ago.

0:36:260:36:28

I didn't even recognise you.

0:36:290:36:31

This is my mum's sister.

0:36:360:36:38

Dr Sadhu Ram Parasher, that's my mum's father there.

0:36:430:36:47

And I did meet him last time I was in India 20-odd years ago.

0:36:470:36:51

This is the room my mum was born in.

0:36:530:36:55

-The interior was the same, yes.

-Same?

-No changes are there.

0:36:560:37:01

SHE ADDRESSES WOMAN IN HER OWN LANGUAGE

0:37:010:37:03

I'm like, "Why have you not decorated for 70 years?"

0:37:030:37:06

My family say the house is still the way it was when Mum was here.

0:37:080:37:11

Walking into the house and seeing everyone,

0:37:120:37:15

their faces and the love and the big hugs was just a priceless moment.

0:37:150:37:21

It feels so strange, but it also feels quite comforting.

0:37:210:37:27

It actually feels quite... It just feels right to be here.

0:37:270:37:31

This is my favourite dish.

0:37:370:37:38

This is one that I grew up on that Mum always used to make for us

0:37:380:37:41

on a Sunday for the family lunch and it's traditional Punjabi cuisine.

0:37:410:37:45

Karhi, not curry that we know.

0:37:450:37:48

It's basically gram flour mixed in with yoghurt

0:37:480:37:51

and coriander seeds and onions, turmeric,

0:37:510:37:54

cumin seeds stirred very carefully for hours and hours and hours.

0:37:540:37:59

Add a pinch of love to it

0:37:590:38:01

and you get the most incredible Indian food.

0:38:010:38:03

I could just keep eating it, the whole bowl.

0:38:050:38:08

I'm spending another night in Punjab's capital.

0:38:140:38:18

I want to find out more about a branch of Islam

0:38:180:38:21

that has its enemies here.

0:38:210:38:23

I'm particularly interested

0:38:230:38:25

because it's a form of religion that my eldest brother follows.

0:38:250:38:28

I'm in Lahore, it's Thursday night

0:38:280:38:30

and I've heard about these Sufi gatherings that happen.

0:38:300:38:33

Usually, they are massive, massive events,

0:38:330:38:35

but there's been some attacks on them

0:38:350:38:37

so they've got some private events.

0:38:370:38:39

We've been invited to one tonight and I can just hear it over there.

0:38:390:38:42

We need to get in there and see what it's about. Let's go and join them.

0:38:420:38:45

SINGING AND RHYTHMIC DRUMMING

0:38:450:38:48

Sufism is rejected by conservative Muslims,

0:38:540:38:56

but it's existed alongside Islam for over 1,000 years

0:38:560:39:00

and it's steeped in the soul of Pakistani culture.

0:39:000:39:02

Thursday is the start of the weekend and the place to be at is a dhamaal,

0:39:040:39:09

a Sufi kind of rave, but here, they sing praise to Allah.

0:39:090:39:13

By entering a trance-like state,

0:39:410:39:43

Sufis believe that it's possible to get closer to God.

0:39:430:39:47

Ultra-conservative Muslims, like the Taliban

0:39:490:39:52

and so-called Islamic State, have labelled them as heretics.

0:39:520:39:56

They've carried out a number of attacks on Sufi shrines,

0:39:560:39:59

most recently murdering 88 worshippers

0:39:590:40:02

and injuring hundreds in February 2017.

0:40:020:40:05

Pappu Sain is the internationally known star of the show.

0:40:200:40:24

He's a drummer and a Sufi mystic.

0:40:240:40:27

He's a sort of Ringo Starr crossed with a maharishi.

0:40:270:40:30

He's an odd one, isn't he? He is an odd one.

0:41:380:41:41

Pappu Sain looks intimidating, but his message was about peace

0:41:470:41:52

and acceptance and spreading that.

0:41:520:41:55

Sufis have been attacked, but they're carrying on

0:41:560:41:59

and there was a crowd out there

0:41:590:42:01

who, even though they've been attacked,

0:42:010:42:03

that community has been attacked,

0:42:030:42:05

they still turn out on Thursday night.

0:42:050:42:06

HE EXCLAIMS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE

0:42:060:42:08

Pakistan was created to protect a religious minority

0:42:100:42:13

so it's sad now that the Sufis are facing discrimination.

0:42:130:42:16

Even the violence isn't going to tell them to go away.

0:42:200:42:23

The violence isn't going to stop them, they're going to carry on.

0:42:230:42:25

I really like that about them, really like that about them,

0:42:250:42:28

and they just, um...

0:42:280:42:30

They're brave. They're living bravely in, er...

0:42:300:42:35

in dangerous times.

0:42:350:42:37

DRUMBEAT

0:42:370:42:38

CHEERING

0:42:450:42:48

30 miles from Adnan, I'm following the border north to Amritsar,

0:42:540:42:58

the heart of Punjab's Sikh community.

0:42:580:43:01

Nationally, they are the minority, like the Sufis of Pakistan,

0:43:010:43:05

but in India-Punjab, they are the largest religious group.

0:43:050:43:09

I want to find out more about Sikhism -

0:43:110:43:13

and where better to start than their most spiritual site,

0:43:130:43:16

the Golden Temple?

0:43:160:43:18

I feel like I dressed appropriately.

0:43:190:43:21

Everyone's wearing orange!

0:43:210:43:23

LAUGHTER

0:43:230:43:25

The temple complex has over five million visitors every year.

0:43:250:43:29

I think we're going to go in. INDISTINCT SPEECH

0:43:310:43:33

It's so beautiful.

0:43:330:43:35

It's so calm.

0:43:350:43:36

Work on the complex began at the end of the 16th century,

0:43:390:43:42

with this pool, Amrit Sarovar, which gave the city its name.

0:43:420:43:47

It translates rather beautifully

0:43:470:43:49

as the pool of the nectar of immortality.

0:43:490:43:51

The temple was deliberately built

0:43:540:43:56

at a lower level than the surrounding land

0:43:560:43:58

to show equality and humility,

0:43:580:44:00

while the doors on all four sides

0:44:000:44:03

are a sign that everyone is welcome, whatever their social class.

0:44:030:44:07

Everywhere you go round the Golden Temple, you see this,

0:44:100:44:13

which are plaques commemorating the people that...

0:44:130:44:17

have served their country.

0:44:170:44:18

Surjit Singh, Jodh Singh, Darshan Singh,

0:44:180:44:21

Sampuran Singh, Chanan Singh, Ajit Singh, Hari Singh.

0:44:210:44:27

At partition, Sikhs were a minority in Punjab.

0:44:270:44:30

When the state was divided, some wanted their own homeland,

0:44:300:44:34

called Khalistan, but that was ignored.

0:44:340:44:37

A separatist movement emerged,

0:44:380:44:40

which the government tried to repress.

0:44:400:44:43

A violent siege at this temple in 1984

0:44:430:44:46

ultimately led to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's assassination

0:44:460:44:50

by her Sikh bodyguards.

0:44:500:44:52

3,000 Sikhs were killed in the terrible reprisals

0:44:520:44:56

that swiftly followed.

0:44:560:44:58

Today, I've got the rare chance to meet a Sikh separatist leader,

0:44:590:45:03

branded a terrorist by the authorities.

0:45:030:45:05

Wassan Singh Zaffarwal still believes in the original dream

0:45:070:45:10

of an independent Punjab called Khalistan.

0:45:100:45:13

There's already been a border created that caused

0:45:140:45:17

so much heartache and problems - the India-Pakistan border.

0:45:170:45:21

If Khalistan became a reality, there would be another border.

0:45:210:45:25

Haven't Punjabis seen enough...

0:45:250:45:28

of this, borders and separation and fighting?

0:45:280:45:32

HE CLEARS HIS THROAT

0:45:320:45:34

The Sikh community are not alone in believing

0:46:090:46:11

that they were treated unfairly by partition.

0:46:110:46:14

But the separatists' dream of an independent Sikh Punjab

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seems a very long way from becoming a reality.

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CAR HORN

0:46:240:46:25

The map's getting wrecked. Yeah, it's getting wrecked.

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Today, it's time for me to leave the city.

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I'm heading closer towards the Indian border, to Jassar,

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where Babita's father was born.

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And I've got a promise to keep.

0:46:450:46:46

She can't get across the border, but we're this side of the border,

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so we're going to go there and just try and find out

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if people remember her family, take some pictures,

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get some memories for her while we're here.

0:46:560:46:58

And...

0:47:000:47:01

that's my family home. Kharian.

0:47:010:47:03

We're not far from each other, are we?

0:47:030:47:05

It's crazy, isn't it?

0:47:050:47:07

Babita's dad was only five

0:47:170:47:19

when he and his family decided to leave Jassar.

0:47:190:47:22

It was a year before partition, but the writing was on the wall.

0:47:220:47:26

They foresaw the violence and the bloodshed,

0:47:260:47:28

so they left and moved east to Delhi.

0:47:280:47:31

His childhood memories are very sketchy,

0:47:320:47:34

so finding the family house is going to be tricky.

0:47:340:47:37

This is a Hindu temple, you know, this is definitely not a mosque.

0:47:380:47:42

Oh, here we go.

0:47:520:47:54

As part of the minority community of Hindus in Jassar,

0:47:580:48:01

it's likely that Babita's family lived in this area.

0:48:010:48:04

They would've lived alongside their Muslim neighbours.

0:48:040:48:07

-This is the right street?

-This is the right street.

0:48:130:48:15

Look at this house.

0:48:150:48:17

-Oh, wow.

-That's a small wraith.

0:48:190:48:21

HE MUMBLES

0:48:210:48:23

-That's a Hindu architecture.

-Yeah.

0:48:250:48:27

We can't be sure that this was Babita's house,

0:48:280:48:31

but we can't be sure that it wasn't Babita's house.

0:48:310:48:33

-But it was Babita's neighbourhood.

-Yeah, definitely.

0:48:330:48:35

-With all those Hindu houses.

-Yeah.

0:48:350:48:37

Let me get this.

0:48:400:48:41

BELL RINGS IN BACKGROUND

0:48:410:48:42

Babita... She wanted something from the house.

0:48:450:48:47

She said, "Can you get me some sand from around the house?"

0:48:470:48:50

And her dad wanted some, as well.

0:48:500:48:51

I mean, this is where her family's from

0:48:510:48:53

and this is the dirt and the dust of history.

0:48:530:48:56

PHONE RINGS

0:48:580:48:59

'Adnan.'

0:49:050:49:07

-Babita...

-'Hello?'

-Babita, hello.

0:49:070:49:09

-'Hey, how are you?'

-I'm all right. Can you hear me?

0:49:100:49:13

'I can hear you.'

0:49:130:49:15

-I'm...I'm on the street in...

-INDISTINCT SPEECH

0:49:150:49:17

I'm on the street in Jassar,

0:49:170:49:19

where your family, er, where your family lived.

0:49:190:49:23

-'Are you on the street now?'

-I'm in one of the houses.

0:49:230:49:26

-'Whose house?'

-I don't know, it might be your house.

0:49:260:49:29

GASPS

0:49:290:49:31

'And also, the guy here reached past the new bricks

0:49:320:49:35

'and reached inside the old bricks'

0:49:350:49:37

and pulled out some of the dirt and some of the sand,

0:49:370:49:40

so we've got you some of that.

0:49:400:49:42

'Thank you so much.'

0:49:420:49:44

You don't know how happy that's made me.

0:49:440:49:47

INDISTINCT SPEECH Bye.

0:49:470:49:50

It's, um...

0:49:560:49:58

Oh, I wish I was there!

0:49:580:50:00

I wish I could just cross the border and go over there.

0:50:000:50:03

It feels very special and I know it's going to mean

0:50:050:50:09

so much to my dad that he's been able to do that.

0:50:090:50:12

Mission accomplished for Babita.

0:50:160:50:18

I'm now going to head 100 miles north to Kharian,

0:50:180:50:21

where my own mum's waiting for me.

0:50:210:50:23

We're on the road to Kharian now,

0:50:250:50:28

which is my home village, this is where I'm from,

0:50:280:50:31

and my mum's in town, which is great,

0:50:310:50:33

so I'm going to go and see her.

0:50:330:50:35

My mum comes quite regularly and I think this is going to be...

0:50:350:50:39

This is going to be great, just to see my mum in Pakistan,

0:50:390:50:43

in her home village and me coming back to Pakistan,

0:50:430:50:46

having understood it a lot more than I did previously.

0:50:460:50:49

This garrison town with a population of 80,000

0:50:550:50:59

is less than 40 miles from the Indian border.

0:50:590:51:01

I was last here over ten years ago

0:51:030:51:05

and I'm not so sure that I can find our house.

0:51:050:51:07

-That's not it. That's not it.

-Right...

-That's not it.

0:51:100:51:13

I'm not being helped by the fact that there's just been a power cut.

0:51:130:51:16

Is this the street to my house?

0:51:160:51:18

-VOICEOVER:

-Those Chinese solar panels

0:51:180:51:20

have clearly not reached my mum's hometown.

0:51:200:51:23

Is this it?

0:51:230:51:24

Yeah, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is it. This is it. So...

0:51:260:51:30

This used to be where my grandma lived.

0:51:300:51:33

So, my grandma used to live in here and I used to...

0:51:350:51:37

Look, the stairs there, I used to go to the top, because it was cooler

0:51:370:51:41

and I used to go right to the top, on the roof,

0:51:410:51:43

and she used to lay on the manji and I used to just like massage her.

0:51:430:51:47

Right at the top, there.

0:51:470:51:49

And then...

0:51:490:51:50

HE GREETS SOMEONE IN LOCAL LANGUAGE

0:51:500:51:53

-VOICEOVER:

-The first person I meet

0:51:530:51:55

is my uncle, who's home from Germany.

0:51:550:51:57

There's a picture...

0:52:030:52:04

There's a picture of me when I was a little boy and I'm, like...

0:52:040:52:07

I'll do the picture right now, I'm like...

0:52:070:52:09

I'm like this.

0:52:090:52:11

Mummy!

0:52:150:52:16

My mum has flown in from Burnley specially to welcome me home.

0:52:160:52:19

She's a typical Asian mum - she has to be there for her son.

0:52:190:52:23

I know she loves me.

0:52:230:52:24

I've got to own up - I've avoided coming here in the past,

0:52:390:52:42

thinking that this country isn't a part of who I am.

0:52:420:52:44

Two-thirds of the way through my trip,

0:53:510:53:53

despite the familiar problems of religious intolerance

0:53:530:53:56

and political corruption that I've found,

0:53:560:53:59

I'm feeling pretty optimistic.

0:53:590:54:00

This is a Pakistan that doesn't match the perception

0:54:030:54:06

the West has of the country.

0:54:060:54:08

And I've been as guilty of believing the image that is portrayed.

0:54:080:54:11

I'm beginning to enjoy letting the Pakistani in me take over.

0:54:140:54:17

It's a dilemma many British Pakistanis will be familiar with,

0:54:200:54:23

as we wrestle with who we are and where we belong.

0:54:230:54:27

I'm on the final leg of my journey through Punjab,

0:54:410:54:44

and for the first time, I'm going to be able to stand

0:54:440:54:48

at the Indian border and at least look into Pakistan,

0:54:480:54:51

even if I can't cross over.

0:54:510:54:53

It's the closest I'll get to my dad's homeland.

0:54:530:54:57

This is Dera Baba Nanak,

0:54:580:54:59

which is one of the most holiest sites for the Sikh community,

0:54:590:55:03

because it's where the first guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji,

0:55:030:55:08

spent a lot of his time.

0:55:080:55:09

But across the border that we're about to see,

0:55:090:55:12

is where he spent his last days, in Kartapur Sahib,

0:55:120:55:15

and actually, there's a board here that says that.

0:55:150:55:18

"Which at a distance of 4.5km in Pakistan,

0:55:180:55:21

"has an historic and remarkable religious importance."

0:55:210:55:25

There's a lot of border security forces here.

0:55:260:55:30

But I think if we can get to that viewing point,

0:55:300:55:33

we're going to be able to see Pakistan.

0:55:330:55:36

And this remains a dangerous border.

0:55:360:55:39

Only last year, after a series of cross-border clashes in Kashmir,

0:55:390:55:43

50 miles north, 27 people died.

0:55:430:55:47

All villages within 10 kilometres of the border

0:55:470:55:50

were temporarily evacuated, including Dera Baba Nanak.

0:55:500:55:55

So, it says that photography is prohibited in this area,

0:55:560:55:59

but loads of people have got their iPhones out, so...

0:55:590:56:01

He said we can't go up there and take pictures.

0:56:050:56:08

He said that we can shoot this way, but we can't show the Pakistan side.

0:56:080:56:13

My first glimpse of Pakistan,

0:56:150:56:18

from the India border.

0:56:180:56:21

But I think this is a place that neither of us have been.

0:56:210:56:24

We're about half a mile away from Pakistan.

0:56:270:56:30

So, if we could walk it from here,

0:56:300:56:32

we'd probably get there within 15, 20 minutes.

0:56:320:56:34

I'm in touching distance of where my dad was born,

0:56:360:56:39

which is now in Pakistan.

0:56:390:56:42

It's incredibly frustrating not to be able to just step across,

0:56:420:56:45

but that's the reality of 21st-century India and Pakistan -

0:56:450:56:49

people who share the same culture,

0:56:490:56:51

the same history, speak the same language, are still divided.

0:56:510:56:55

And it feels to me that it's governments

0:56:550:56:58

and not really the people who want to keep it that way.

0:56:580:57:01

Next time...

0:57:050:57:06

Heading north, we are on the final leg of our journeys.

0:57:080:57:12

You could well lose your life on this pass.

0:57:120:57:15

Gaining rare access to the Pakistani Air Force.

0:57:150:57:19

We are going to fight them back with all the life we have.

0:57:190:57:22

And experiencing life on one of the world's most dangerous borders.

0:57:220:57:27

As one nation forges new friendships...

0:57:300:57:33

This relationship that the Chinese have got with the Pakistanis,

0:57:330:57:36

it feels like something's happening.

0:57:360:57:38

The other is locked in a bitter internal conflict.

0:57:380:57:41

They're just saying, "We just want to be free."

0:57:440:57:46

The future is unpredictable for both these countries.

0:57:500:57:53

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