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This is one of the world's most dangerous borders, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
dividing two nations - India and Pakistan. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
2,000 miles long, it slices through extraordinary landscapes | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
and divides millions of people who once lived alongside each other. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
I'm Babita Sharma and I'm a journalist. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
My family, as Hindus, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
were forced to move into what became independent India. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Primarily, I identify with being British. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
That's who I am, I was born and brought up in Britain. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
But I'm also really passionate about my culture as an Indian person. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
I'm going to be travelling the border from the Indian side. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
Wow! It's mind-blowing. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
I'm Adnan Sarwar. I was in the British Army | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
and now work for The Economist. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
My Muslim parents were born in what is now Pakistan. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
I've got to know what it means to be a Pakistani | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
and what it means to these people here living as Pakistanis | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
and what it means to my mum and dad to be Pakistanis. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
I'm going to be travelling the length of the border | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
on the Pakistani side, a country that's just 70 years old. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
Have you ever seen water like this? Look at the colour of it! | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
When Britain gave India its independence, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
it split the nation along religious lines, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
carving out a new Muslim state. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Since then, there has been frequent conflict along this border | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
that, to this day, very few can cross. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
You can't know Pakistan unless you know partition. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
They're just saying, "We want independence!" "Go India!" | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
"Go Pakistan!" "We just want to be free!" | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Yet after two generations apart, these two countries | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
with such strong ties to Britain | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
still have so much in common and so much to celebrate. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
It's fantastic. We're going to have a great night here tonight. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
My gosh, I have just found a whole new family | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
I didn't even know existed! | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
We're making two journeys with the same goal - | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
to discover how a line on the map has altered | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
the destinies of two countries that used to be one. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
I'm headed for the mighty Punjab, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
a state that was split between India and Pakistan at partition. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
It's one of huge importance to both countries and to me. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
For me now, the journey's getting very personal. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
I'm heading into Punjab, which is where my family are from. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
My mum was born in Punjab, my father was, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
my grandfathers died here and I'm just worried about | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
whether or not I'm going to feel a connection to this place | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and you know that this is Punjab. We're going into Punjab. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Look at it - it's green, it's lush. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
I'm coming home! | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
I'll be travelling almost 200 miles north to Chandigarh, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
independent India's city of the future. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
Then through Amritsar, spiritual centre for the Sikh community. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
I'll end my journey in the north of Punjab at Dera Baba Nanak, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
right on the Pakistan border. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
From Rajasthan - shoe repairing, shoe polish. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
-Shoe polish? -Yes. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
-20. -20 rupees? -Yes. -That's about 10p. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:40 | |
No. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
HE SINGS | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
That is what you call a Punjabi greeting. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
I've also crossed into Punjab, but on the Pakistani side of the border. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
Like Babita and thousands of Brits, I have roots here that stretch | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
all the way back to my family home, which, for me, is in Burnley. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
This is it. We've just hit the end of Sindh | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
and the start of the Punjab. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
"Welcome to the Punjab." | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
-How far are we from India? -About 30 miles from the Indian border. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
About 30 miles that way. And then my hometown is in Punjab. | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
So we're heading north. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
I'm going to be travelling with my local producer | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
and fellow Punjabi, Khalid. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Our journey will take us along the border with India, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
visiting the city of Lahore | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
and then on via Jassar to Kharian, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
my parent's hometown, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
a total of 500 miles. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
When India was divided, Pakistan got the lion's share of Punjab. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
80% of it lies on this side of the border | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
and it's home to over 100 million Pakistanis, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
half the country's population. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
It's agricultural riches are legendary. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Fed by five rivers, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Punjab's farmland produces 20 million tonnes of wheat every year. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
But there's a new chapter beginning here. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Pakistanis have started to harvest another of their natural resources, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
one that shows no sign of running out. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Sunshine. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
This is the Qaid-e-Azam Solar Park, all ten square miles of it, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
and it makes a hell of a statement about where Punjab is heading. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
Nearly half of Pakistani households don't have mains electricity | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
and for those that do, the supply is unreliable. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
I remember often being plunged into the dark when I visited as a kid. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Now, the lights should stay on in 100,000 homes and businesses, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
just as long as the sun shines. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
-VOICEOVER: -Engineer Jahanzeb has been here from the beginning. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
-So there was nothing here three years ago? -Yeah, there was nothing. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
This was all just a piece of wasteland, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
just like you came here and the way you saw us. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Just huge sand dunes, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
maybe there was a nomad herding their camels or maybe goats. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
That's it. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
This is just one part of a huge collaboration | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
between Pakistan and China worth £46 billion of investment. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
The forward-thinking Jahanzeb welcomes this with open arms. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
So, what language do you speak to the Chinese in? | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
At times, we had some Chinese translators who could speak Urdu... | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
-Wow! -And who could speak English as well. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
But when you see a Chinese, you get a look, "OK, he's a foreigner," | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
but he does things just like you do, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
he thinks like you, and after some time, you feel like, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
"We are the same," and in the future, maybe five to ten years, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
we might have some mix here - some Chinese culture we are having | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
and some Pakistani culture they are having. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
It's not all this innocent, of course. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
China's aims are strategic. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
And Pakistan, well, it needs the money. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
It's that melting pot where... | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
So the Chinese are absolutely influencing Pakistan | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
and Pakistan is absolutely influencing the Chinese. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
You're swapping biryanis and tea and language. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
What sells well if not technology? | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
And talking of food, it's midday - time to eat. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
And there's further evidence of the Chinese influence here. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Yeah, definitely. Sorry, what's your name? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
-My name is Kaka. -Kaka? -Yes, yes. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
-Kaka, is that Chinese? -It's Pakistan... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
-Kaka means "baby" in Punjabi. -I like this name. -OK. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
-VOICEOVER: -These guys all work together, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
but some things just don't mix - | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
food in the works canteen. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
So the chef caters for both Pakistani and Chinese food. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
I'm not very good with chopsticks. If you can show me, I'll do it. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
I think I've got it. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
Oh, look, look. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
OK, OK! | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
-Is that right? -Yeah. -OK. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
After lunch, Jahanzeb takes me to a place | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
that's special to him - | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
the tree that was his shady office | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
when his plans first came to fruition. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
-My good old friend. -THEY LAUGH | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
-VOICEOVER: -He's only 25, but he's already changing people's lives. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
On the way here, I saw solar panels on local homes. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
I'm imagining that the locals just call in to the centre | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
-and ask for advice. -Yes, nearly every day. What should I do? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
What appliances should I connect? Is it safe? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
That's really, really good, isn't it? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
You built this as a pilot project, the knowledge seeped out | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
into the local area and now everybody's getting solar panels. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
-That's it. -So the energy crisis or whatever it is, the energy problem | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
that you've got is starting to solve itself because it's harder for you | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
to do it for 200 million people if they start doing it for themselves. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
In a sense, yes. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
Skilled people like Jahanzeb now have more reason | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
not to go abroad to work. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
I know it's a bit difficult to stay in Pakistan, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
but I think we have more scope here. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
We can go to West to do something, like, OK, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
-but I think our place is here in Pakistan. -I believe it. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
-I believe you're going to change Pakistan. -Yes. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Pakistan's unlikely to forge an economic relationship with India | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
any time soon, so they have to make friends elsewhere. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
But with China holding the real power in this special relationship, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
I wonder if Pakistan is playing with fire. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
300 miles across the border from Adnan, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
I've arrived on the Indian side of Punjab. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
We've finally got here. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
We are in Punjab and it feels so good to be here. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
-Puneet! -Babita! | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
VOICEOVER: Later, I meet my local guide Puneet, who's going to give me | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
a tour of this strikingly different city. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
-Good to finally see you. -It feels good to be in Punjab. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
-And here you go with your Bad Attitude. -Oh, this is my one? | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Bad Attitude - that says "bad-ass"! You know me already, right? | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
-You're Punjabi. -Right, exactly. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Cycling in London can be chaotic, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
but here, on these tree-lined boulevards, it's pure joy. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
These buildings are incredible. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Yes, so Chandigarh was just designed like that. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
It was one of the first planned cities of India | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
and it had a team of European architects | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
who worked here with the Indian architects | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
and tried to blend modern architecture | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
with traditional materials, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
so you have really interesting designs | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
because that's what they were experimenting with at that time. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-This is all modernist. -It's beautiful, that is. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Stunning! | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
When partition split Punjab, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
its capital, Lahore, fell on the Pakistani side. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
So India's first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
decided to create a new capital - a city like no other. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
In my head, Punjab's always been about farms and haystacks | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
and tractors, and then boom! | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
You've got this, which is modern architecture at its most brilliant. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
In 1951, Nehru invited the architect Le Corbusier, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
the father of modernism, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
to design and build a symbolic city of the future. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Nehru's vision was for an ordered and disciplined city | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
with modern Western ideals at its heart. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
It was designed for half a million people. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
Twice as many live here now, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
among them, many of the wealthy civil servants and their families. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
It has a touch of the Milton Keynes about it, complete with a sculpture | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
which can be seen as either a welcoming hand or a dove of peace. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Both work for me. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
While Babita is still exploring the capital of Indian Punjab, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
I'm on my way to the capital of Pakistani Punjab, Lahore. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
I've never been on a Pakistani train before. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I've seen them in the films, I've seen them on telly. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
I've never been on one before. I'm really excited to get on this. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
Oh, whoa! | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
The railways came to India in the mid-19th century | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
and are one of the more useful legacies of the British Raj. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
They were nationalised at partition | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
and now carry 65 million passengers every year in Pakistan. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
-VOICEOVER: -It's a four-hour journey so I've plenty of time | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
to meet a few of my fellow travellers. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Assalaamu Alaikum. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
They're on a preaching trip. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
So they're preaching to other people? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Seven months, uh-huh. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
I have to admire the fact that these guys are happy | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
to risk being left behind rather than miss their prayers. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
The next train to Lahore isn't for 24 hours. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
We're off. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Whoa, whoa! | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
I'm not a strict Muslim, but meeting these guys has made me | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
think about what it is to be one. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
Right now, Muslims are in this very special place in the media | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
where they're just picked on. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
Muslims are picked on, you can't deny that, and they're picked on | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
with things like, you know, the travel ban and stuff like that. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
I am who I am. I'm not embarrassed about being Pakistani. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
I'm certainly not embarrassed about my parents. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
I'm not embarrassed where I come from because that is who I am, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
this is what I look like, this is the language I speak, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
this is where my parents are from | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
and I have to find out whether I can love Pakistan | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
and I have to let it be part of me as well. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
It's six o'clock in the evening | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
and we've finally made it to the beating heart of Punjab. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
We're in Lahore. Look - Lahore. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Platform 4. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:11 | |
Assalaamu Alaikum. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
-VOICEOVER: -I am completely unknown in Pakistan, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
but suddenly, arriving with a film crew, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
I've become a minor celebrity. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
This is Mr May and this is Khalid here. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
Well, what's... | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
-Who's this? -I don't know, I don't know. Just get a picture, it's fine. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
We've got the station manager here. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
HE ADDRESSES MAN IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
-Special Ticket Examiner. -Special Ticket Examiner. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
It's the next morning | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
and I want to explore a city I've visited only once before. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Even though it's unfamiliar, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
I keep getting reminders of my home in Burnley. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Hookahs. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
We used to have one of these in the living room, my dad used to smoke it | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
all the time and it stank the living room out, so my mum banned it. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
"Get out! Get out!" | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
These ones, yeah, yeah. Oi-oi-oi! | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Oi-oi-oi! | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
These hookah pipes were filled with rough tobacco. It looks like rope. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
I can remember the sound as my dad broke it up, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
cracking and twisting it. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
The smell of it reminds me of him, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
though he'd hate it if I started smoking. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Once the capital of the Mughal Empire, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
it's now the home of the Pakistani literary scene, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
a vibrant film industry and some of the country's top universities. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Before partition, a third of the residents were Hindu and Sikh. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
Now, this city of seven million is 94% Muslim, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
which tells its own story. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
Partition is the reality of this country. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
It's the way this country was born. It's in these people. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
You can't know Pakistan unless you know partition. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
I'm on my way to meet people who experienced it first-hand, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
husband and wife Mohammad Yousef and Iqbal Bibi, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
whose experiences are typical of many here. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
As Muslims, they had to leave their homes in eastern Punjab. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Mohammad was already a young man, but Iqbal Bibi was just 13. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
It took them 70 days to walk 100 miles to safety. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Hearing Iqbal Bibi and Mohammad's story makes me realise | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
that my grandparents were spared simply by chance | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
because they already lived in what became Pakistani Punjab. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
It's estimated that up to two million Muslims, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Sikhs and Hindus died | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
and over 14 million people were forced to move during partition. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
You should know the history of people | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
to understand where they are now. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
Maybe if you don't understand the way Pakistanis and Indians are, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
why they're always angry with each other, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
why they're always arguing with each other, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
just go back a little bit and have a look at partition. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
It's the complete desperation of it, you know? | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
I'm 150 miles from Adnan in Lahore, still in Chandigarh, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
the lovely ordered city of the future. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
But the future is now the present, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and for many, it's not the utopia that was promised. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I'm meeting Sawan, Punjab's answer to a kind of Banksy. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
For the last ten years, he's been creating political art in the city. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
So, tell me what Sawanism is - #sawanism. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
My name is Sawan and Sawanism is my way of living, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
like Hindus and Buddhism, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
so it's my own personal thing, the way of my life. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
Sawan's work challenges what he sees | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
as a worrying rise in Indian nationalism. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
He's a passionate activist calling for social change. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
Wherever there's suppression, there will be art like this. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
Graffiti was normally started, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
done by those people who want to scream out loud. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
-What do Punjabis want to scream out, though? -A lot of things. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
We all are guinea pigs, you know? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
We are trained to behave in a certain way | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
and there are some tools | 0:22:23 | 0:22:24 | |
used by politicians, governments to control us. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
For example, we have created that villain | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
which is so-called Pakistan or Islam, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
so we have created the villain | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
so that people will believe in governments, in army, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
and we feel we are patriots, we are nationalists and we feel that, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
OK, we are from India or we are from this country, that country, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
but that's been designed | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
so that the business of politics and war keep on happening. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
-We are Punjabis. -We are Punjabis, no? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Feel proud to be Punjabis. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
But that's actually the root cause of war. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
For me, there's something ironic | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
that even in a city designed for the future, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
India cannot escape its past. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
-So, are we done? -Yes, we are done. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
So this middle figure represents the politicians | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
or the people in power and this poor guy is the common man. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
This is the guy who chooses them | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
and this is the guy who is holding the burden of their weight. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Sawan's highly critical take on India's powerful elite | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
challenges the status quo. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
The fact that he can throw down such a provocative gauntlet | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
to the powerful, and in such a public way, has to be a good thing. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
If Babita is meeting the Indian Banksy, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
then I'm greeting Pakistan's answer to Bono... | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
HE SINGS | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
..long-time rebel rock star Salman Ahmad. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
-So, I started off with a band called Vital Signs. -Vital Signs! | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:25 | |
So, we had a hit called Dil Dil Pakistan. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
-Dil Dil Pakistan. -Have you heard it? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Of course I've heard it. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
I'll tell you right now, every Pakistani in Burnley knew that song. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
# Dil dil Pakistan | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
# Jan jan Pakistan... # | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
For almost every Pakistani, the song, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
which means "my heart is Pakistan", | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
became a sort of alternative national anthem. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
We're surrounded by kids here. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
What's the Pakistan that they've got? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
70% of Pakistan is under the age of 20. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
70% of Pakistan is under the age of 20? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
So more than 100 million people are under the age of 20. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
It's a huge, huge youth pulse, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
a potential which can either go towards creativity and positivity | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
or, if it gets frustrated, it can go south, you know? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
But they don't trust the leadership. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
They know the leadership is corrupt to the core. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
In 1996, Salman and his band Junoon | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
challenged Pakistan's political corruption head on. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
So, who was the song aimed at? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
At this corrupt status quo | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
because the ruling elite has plundered this country | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
so it's a huge anthem which is played at political rallies | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
and the basic message is the answer to every question is accountability | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
and it was banned. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
They banned us indefinitely, but, in 1999, ironically, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
-there was a military coup. -Yes! -THEY LAUGH | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
And it turned out that General Musharraf was a huge fan. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
-His kids were huge fans. -Sorted. -"You're not bad!" | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
-A dictator freed you. -Yes! -THEY LAUGH | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Musharraf is just one of the 13 leaders in Pakistan | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
who have been forced out of office before completing a full term. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
In July 2017, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif resigned | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
over claims of corruption whilst protesting his innocence. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
It was his third resignation. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
It's not just Adnan who has his finger on the musical pulse | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
on our parallel journeys along the border. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
PHONE RINGTONE | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Sawan? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
-Hello? -Hello. -How are you doing? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
VOICEOVER: Artist Sawan has invited me | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
to experience Chandigarh's nightlife. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
OK, it's a surprise. That sounds interesting. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
And if anyone knows how to party, it's us Punjabis. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
-How you doing? -You are here. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
-You're looking... -Cool! -Very cool! Look at you! | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
THEY RAP | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
This is hip-hop Indian-style. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
CHEERING | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Ten years ago, Navdeep and Harsimran formed Kru172 | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
and they've built a solid fanbase throughout India and beyond. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
HE RAPS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
VOICEOVER: Unlike some gangsta rap, Kru172 aren't interested | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
in glorifying drugs and violence. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
They think that hip-hop can offer young people | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
a different, more positive message. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
Yes! Yes, yes, that was wicked! | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
-Thank you so much. -I love that! | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
VOICEOVER: The anti-drug message isn't just a gimmick. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
It's a message they live their life by | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
and encourage their fans to do the same. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
So, like, we are the only two guys in the whole family tree | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
-that are, like, clean. -Totally clean. -You don't drink? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
-No drinking, no smoking. -No other drugs. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
So, we wanted to tell everybody that you can still be super-cool | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
when you're clean. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
The boys have got a really strong message that they're trying | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
to get across through their music, through hip-hop, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
which has always been associated with drugs and alcohol | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and getting high. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
They're trying to say that you don't have to do that here in Punjab, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
particularly for young Punjabis, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
and nobody in there at the gig was drinking | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
and we all had a wicked night. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
I want you all to make some noise... | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
CHEERING | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
I was aware there was a drug problem here, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
but I didn't know how widespread the issue was. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
A lot of heroin from Afghanistan makes its way | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
through the porous border in Pakistan and then into Punjab. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
The state has an estimated four million addicts. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
And what I want to work out is why so many people in Punjab take drugs | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
and what it is that is being done to tackle the problem. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
I've been told, to my surprise, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
that the fastest growing group of addicts are women. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Dr Bhatia opened this wing at the clinic in 2016. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
-Nice to meet you, Dr Bhatia. -Hello, Babita. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
-Thank you so much for having me here. -Let me see. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
It's an incredible building. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
This was created about eight, ten years back | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
and now it's the only female rehab centre. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
And is this a fairly new thing? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
There is the latest thing that what men can do, women can do. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
The working women who are earning | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
and the girlfriends who are trying to be showing | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
that they are independent has brought up about | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
a new revolution of people who are into drugs | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
and most of them are women | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
and they are trying to show that they are modern. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
If you can drink, I can drink with you. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
If you can take heroin, I can also take heroin. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Trying to show that you have an identity. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
Come with me. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
VOICEOVER: There's little help available for people struggling | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
with addiction, but, for a small number, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
this clinic can offer hope. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
How old are you? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
-I'm 21. -What were you addicted to? | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
I was addicted to weed, hash and brown sugar and heroin. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
And how often were you taking the heroin? | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Sometimes, it was 10-12 lines per day. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
I was so much addicted to drugs on that time | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
that I left going to the college, also. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
They were really shocked that I was into drugs. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
It is a big problem in Punjab right now. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
-So, it is not difficult to get heroin? -Not at all. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
By staying here, I got so much positivity. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
It's all about life lessons, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
that how we should manage our life without drugs. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
This help is only available privately | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
and it's said that the stigma of having a female relative | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
with a drug addiction means that families often refuse | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
to get the women the help that they need. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
There's a woman over there, she's probably about my mum's age, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
and she's just been admitted. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
It's her first day here and she's with her family at the moment, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
but she's here because she's addicted to prescription drugs. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
And not that you can ever tell what an addict looks like, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
but this is a traditional Punjabi woman wearing a suit | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
and she's got a serious problem. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
That's not the India I was expecting to see. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
It's not the Punjab that I thought I would discover. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
Pakistan shares many of India's problems, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
but whilst India has the seventh largest economy in the world, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
Pakistan ranks only 39th. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
With almost 60% of the population illiterate | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
and 40% living below the poverty line, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
it's hard to know how the situation can get better any time soon, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
but I'm going to meet some people | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
who might be able to make a difference. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
An industrialist and his wife have invited me | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
to an exclusive party at their luxury home | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
to meet some of the financial movers and shakers of Lahore. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Sorry, what do you do? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
Well, we run the largest transport network in Pakistan, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
passenger and cargo. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
I run, like, multiple offices. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
I have offices in LA, China, Bangkok, Australia, the UK. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
For the past 20 years, Pakistan has suffered from an increasing number | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
of people going to work abroad, now an estimated six million. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
If things are going to improve here, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
there has to be a reason for people to stay. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Pakistan's got a bad, bad press in Britain, definitely, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
and it's got a fairly bad press around the world. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
How do you feel about Pakistan? Are you optimistic about Pakistan? | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
-Of course. -Yeah, I'm optimistic. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
If somebody who visited Pakistan ten years ago | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and somebody who has visited Pakistan now, like you, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
and you see all around you, you will not recognise anything. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:29 | |
I mean, our infrastructure is better, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
our electricity situation is better, our public transport is better. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
We have metro trains, we have public transportation systems. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Our telecommunication is better. The schooling system is better. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
Our security systems are better. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
So, I mean, we are moving in the right direction. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
The change I've seen, it's phenomenal. It's just unbelievable. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
-Like what? -In, like, lifestyle. The people, they're so much fashionable. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
They're exposed to so many different things in life | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
and it's getting better. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
As an entrepreneur, I think it's a gold mine. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
I think, if anyone missed out on India, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
then they need to invest in Pakistan today. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
We're ten years behind, but we're going to be big. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
The young entrepreneurs I've met tonight have got the vision | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
and belief to drive the economy forward. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
They make no apology about being here to make big money. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
They could be working anywhere in the world making a fortune, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
but they choose to remain in Pakistan and that's got to be good. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
It's time to leave Chandigarh behind | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
and head off in search of my family and the house my mum grew up in. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
We're going to go and visit the family home, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
which is still within the family so we'll get to see, I'm hoping, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
the room that she was born in. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
My mum hasn't been back there for over 20-odd years. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
I've never been there, my sisters have never been there, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
but we've always heard about this place. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
My uncle has told me to head to the small village called Banga. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
-Banga? -Banga, Banga. -Banga? | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
HE SPEAKS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
MAN SPEAKS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
That's hilarious because he just said, "It's straight ahead," | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
and that's exactly what my uncle said to me in England | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
when I asked him, "When I get to Banga, Mum's village, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
"how am I going to find out where the family home is?" | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
And he said, "You just go there and then you kind of find it." | 0:35:35 | 0:35:41 | |
Nice to see a corner shop cos we, Mum and Dad, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
our family have corner shops, so that's quite reassuring. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
I feel a little bit at home seeing that. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
A few streets away, we finally find Mum's old house, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
where some of my family still live. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
I'm going to cry! Sorry! | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Oh, they're doing a ceremony. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
This is for blessing cos it's the first time | 0:36:18 | 0:36:19 | |
I'm coming to cross the threshold. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
You look so different! | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
These are my cousins and the last time I saw them | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
was about 20 years ago. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
I didn't even recognise you. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
This is my mum's sister. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
Dr Sadhu Ram Parasher, that's my mum's father there. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
And I did meet him last time I was in India 20-odd years ago. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
This is the room my mum was born in. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
-The interior was the same, yes. -Same? -No changes are there. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
SHE ADDRESSES WOMAN IN HER OWN LANGUAGE | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
I'm like, "Why have you not decorated for 70 years?" | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
My family say the house is still the way it was when Mum was here. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
Walking into the house and seeing everyone, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
their faces and the love and the big hugs was just a priceless moment. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
It feels so strange, but it also feels quite comforting. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:27 | |
It actually feels quite... It just feels right to be here. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
This is my favourite dish. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
This is one that I grew up on that Mum always used to make for us | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
on a Sunday for the family lunch and it's traditional Punjabi cuisine. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Karhi, not curry that we know. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
It's basically gram flour mixed in with yoghurt | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
and coriander seeds and onions, turmeric, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
cumin seeds stirred very carefully for hours and hours and hours. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
Add a pinch of love to it | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
and you get the most incredible Indian food. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
I could just keep eating it, the whole bowl. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
I'm spending another night in Punjab's capital. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
I want to find out more about a branch of Islam | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
that has its enemies here. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
I'm particularly interested | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
because it's a form of religion that my eldest brother follows. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
I'm in Lahore, it's Thursday night | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
and I've heard about these Sufi gatherings that happen. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
Usually, they are massive, massive events, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
but there's been some attacks on them | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
so they've got some private events. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
We've been invited to one tonight and I can just hear it over there. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
We need to get in there and see what it's about. Let's go and join them. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
SINGING AND RHYTHMIC DRUMMING | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
Sufism is rejected by conservative Muslims, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
but it's existed alongside Islam for over 1,000 years | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
and it's steeped in the soul of Pakistani culture. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Thursday is the start of the weekend and the place to be at is a dhamaal, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
a Sufi kind of rave, but here, they sing praise to Allah. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
By entering a trance-like state, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Sufis believe that it's possible to get closer to God. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
Ultra-conservative Muslims, like the Taliban | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
and so-called Islamic State, have labelled them as heretics. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
They've carried out a number of attacks on Sufi shrines, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
most recently murdering 88 worshippers | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
and injuring hundreds in February 2017. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Pappu Sain is the internationally known star of the show. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
He's a drummer and a Sufi mystic. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
He's a sort of Ringo Starr crossed with a maharishi. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
He's an odd one, isn't he? He is an odd one. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
Pappu Sain looks intimidating, but his message was about peace | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
and acceptance and spreading that. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Sufis have been attacked, but they're carrying on | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
and there was a crowd out there | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
who, even though they've been attacked, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
that community has been attacked, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
they still turn out on Thursday night. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:06 | |
HE EXCLAIMS IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
Pakistan was created to protect a religious minority | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
so it's sad now that the Sufis are facing discrimination. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Even the violence isn't going to tell them to go away. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
The violence isn't going to stop them, they're going to carry on. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
I really like that about them, really like that about them, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and they just, um... | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
They're brave. They're living bravely in, er... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:35 | |
in dangerous times. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
DRUMBEAT | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
CHEERING | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
30 miles from Adnan, I'm following the border north to Amritsar, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
the heart of Punjab's Sikh community. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Nationally, they are the minority, like the Sufis of Pakistan, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
but in India-Punjab, they are the largest religious group. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
I want to find out more about Sikhism - | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
and where better to start than their most spiritual site, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
the Golden Temple? | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
I feel like I dressed appropriately. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
Everyone's wearing orange! | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
The temple complex has over five million visitors every year. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
I think we're going to go in. INDISTINCT SPEECH | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
It's so beautiful. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
It's so calm. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:36 | |
Work on the complex began at the end of the 16th century, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
with this pool, Amrit Sarovar, which gave the city its name. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
It translates rather beautifully | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
as the pool of the nectar of immortality. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
The temple was deliberately built | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
at a lower level than the surrounding land | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
to show equality and humility, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
while the doors on all four sides | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
are a sign that everyone is welcome, whatever their social class. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
Everywhere you go round the Golden Temple, you see this, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
which are plaques commemorating the people that... | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
have served their country. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:18 | |
Surjit Singh, Jodh Singh, Darshan Singh, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
Sampuran Singh, Chanan Singh, Ajit Singh, Hari Singh. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:27 | |
At partition, Sikhs were a minority in Punjab. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
When the state was divided, some wanted their own homeland, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
called Khalistan, but that was ignored. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
A separatist movement emerged, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
which the government tried to repress. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
A violent siege at this temple in 1984 | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
ultimately led to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's assassination | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
by her Sikh bodyguards. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
3,000 Sikhs were killed in the terrible reprisals | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
that swiftly followed. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
Today, I've got the rare chance to meet a Sikh separatist leader, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
branded a terrorist by the authorities. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
Wassan Singh Zaffarwal still believes in the original dream | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
of an independent Punjab called Khalistan. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
There's already been a border created that caused | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
so much heartache and problems - the India-Pakistan border. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
If Khalistan became a reality, there would be another border. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
Haven't Punjabis seen enough... | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
of this, borders and separation and fighting? | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
The Sikh community are not alone in believing | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
that they were treated unfairly by partition. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
But the separatists' dream of an independent Sikh Punjab | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
seems a very long way from becoming a reality. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
CAR HORN | 0:46:24 | 0:46:25 | |
The map's getting wrecked. Yeah, it's getting wrecked. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
Today, it's time for me to leave the city. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
I'm heading closer towards the Indian border, to Jassar, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
where Babita's father was born. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:43 | |
And I've got a promise to keep. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:46 | |
She can't get across the border, but we're this side of the border, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
so we're going to go there and just try and find out | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
if people remember her family, take some pictures, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
get some memories for her while we're here. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
And... | 0:47:00 | 0:47:01 | |
that's my family home. Kharian. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
We're not far from each other, are we? | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
It's crazy, isn't it? | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
Babita's dad was only five | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
when he and his family decided to leave Jassar. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
It was a year before partition, but the writing was on the wall. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
They foresaw the violence and the bloodshed, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
so they left and moved east to Delhi. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
His childhood memories are very sketchy, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
so finding the family house is going to be tricky. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
This is a Hindu temple, you know, this is definitely not a mosque. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
Oh, here we go. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
As part of the minority community of Hindus in Jassar, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
it's likely that Babita's family lived in this area. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
They would've lived alongside their Muslim neighbours. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
-This is the right street? -This is the right street. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
Look at this house. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
-Oh, wow. -That's a small wraith. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
HE MUMBLES | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
-That's a Hindu architecture. -Yeah. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
We can't be sure that this was Babita's house, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
but we can't be sure that it wasn't Babita's house. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
-But it was Babita's neighbourhood. -Yeah, definitely. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
-With all those Hindu houses. -Yeah. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Let me get this. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:41 | |
BELL RINGS IN BACKGROUND | 0:48:41 | 0:48:42 | |
Babita... She wanted something from the house. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
She said, "Can you get me some sand from around the house?" | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
And her dad wanted some, as well. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:51 | |
I mean, this is where her family's from | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
and this is the dirt and the dust of history. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:48:58 | 0:48:59 | |
'Adnan.' | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
-Babita... -'Hello?' -Babita, hello. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
-'Hey, how are you?' -I'm all right. Can you hear me? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
'I can hear you.' | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
-I'm...I'm on the street in... -INDISTINCT SPEECH | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
I'm on the street in Jassar, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
where your family, er, where your family lived. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
-'Are you on the street now?' -I'm in one of the houses. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
-'Whose house?' -I don't know, it might be your house. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
GASPS | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
'And also, the guy here reached past the new bricks | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
'and reached inside the old bricks' | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
and pulled out some of the dirt and some of the sand, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
so we've got you some of that. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
'Thank you so much.' | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
You don't know how happy that's made me. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
INDISTINCT SPEECH Bye. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
It's, um... | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
Oh, I wish I was there! | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
I wish I could just cross the border and go over there. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
It feels very special and I know it's going to mean | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
so much to my dad that he's been able to do that. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
Mission accomplished for Babita. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
I'm now going to head 100 miles north to Kharian, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
where my own mum's waiting for me. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
We're on the road to Kharian now, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
which is my home village, this is where I'm from, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
and my mum's in town, which is great, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
so I'm going to go and see her. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
My mum comes quite regularly and I think this is going to be... | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
This is going to be great, just to see my mum in Pakistan, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
in her home village and me coming back to Pakistan, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
having understood it a lot more than I did previously. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
This garrison town with a population of 80,000 | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
is less than 40 miles from the Indian border. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
I was last here over ten years ago | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
and I'm not so sure that I can find our house. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
-That's not it. That's not it. -Right... -That's not it. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
I'm not being helped by the fact that there's just been a power cut. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
Is this the street to my house? | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
-VOICEOVER: -Those Chinese solar panels | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
have clearly not reached my mum's hometown. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
Is this it? | 0:51:23 | 0:51:24 | |
Yeah, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is it. This is it. So... | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
This used to be where my grandma lived. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
So, my grandma used to live in here and I used to... | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
Look, the stairs there, I used to go to the top, because it was cooler | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
and I used to go right to the top, on the roof, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
and she used to lay on the manji and I used to just like massage her. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
Right at the top, there. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
And then... | 0:51:49 | 0:51:50 | |
HE GREETS SOMEONE IN LOCAL LANGUAGE | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
-VOICEOVER: -The first person I meet | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
is my uncle, who's home from Germany. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
There's a picture... | 0:52:03 | 0:52:04 | |
There's a picture of me when I was a little boy and I'm, like... | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
I'll do the picture right now, I'm like... | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
I'm like this. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
Mummy! | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
My mum has flown in from Burnley specially to welcome me home. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
She's a typical Asian mum - she has to be there for her son. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
I know she loves me. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:24 | |
I've got to own up - I've avoided coming here in the past, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
thinking that this country isn't a part of who I am. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
Two-thirds of the way through my trip, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
despite the familiar problems of religious intolerance | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
and political corruption that I've found, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
I'm feeling pretty optimistic. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:00 | |
This is a Pakistan that doesn't match the perception | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
the West has of the country. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
And I've been as guilty of believing the image that is portrayed. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
I'm beginning to enjoy letting the Pakistani in me take over. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
It's a dilemma many British Pakistanis will be familiar with, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
as we wrestle with who we are and where we belong. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
I'm on the final leg of my journey through Punjab, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
and for the first time, I'm going to be able to stand | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
at the Indian border and at least look into Pakistan, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
even if I can't cross over. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
It's the closest I'll get to my dad's homeland. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
This is Dera Baba Nanak, | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
which is one of the most holiest sites for the Sikh community, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:03 | |
because it's where the first guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:08 | |
spent a lot of his time. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:09 | |
But across the border that we're about to see, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
is where he spent his last days, in Kartapur Sahib, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
and actually, there's a board here that says that. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
"Which at a distance of 4.5km in Pakistan, | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
"has an historic and remarkable religious importance." | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
There's a lot of border security forces here. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
But I think if we can get to that viewing point, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
we're going to be able to see Pakistan. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
And this remains a dangerous border. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
Only last year, after a series of cross-border clashes in Kashmir, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
50 miles north, 27 people died. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
All villages within 10 kilometres of the border | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
were temporarily evacuated, including Dera Baba Nanak. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
So, it says that photography is prohibited in this area, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
but loads of people have got their iPhones out, so... | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
He said we can't go up there and take pictures. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
He said that we can shoot this way, but we can't show the Pakistan side. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
My first glimpse of Pakistan, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
from the India border. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
But I think this is a place that neither of us have been. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
We're about half a mile away from Pakistan. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
So, if we could walk it from here, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
we'd probably get there within 15, 20 minutes. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
I'm in touching distance of where my dad was born, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
which is now in Pakistan. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
It's incredibly frustrating not to be able to just step across, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
but that's the reality of 21st-century India and Pakistan - | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
people who share the same culture, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
the same history, speak the same language, are still divided. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:55 | |
And it feels to me that it's governments | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
and not really the people who want to keep it that way. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
Next time... | 0:57:05 | 0:57:06 | |
Heading north, we are on the final leg of our journeys. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
You could well lose your life on this pass. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
Gaining rare access to the Pakistani Air Force. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
We are going to fight them back with all the life we have. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
And experiencing life on one of the world's most dangerous borders. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:27 | |
As one nation forges new friendships... | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
This relationship that the Chinese have got with the Pakistanis, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
it feels like something's happening. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
The other is locked in a bitter internal conflict. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
They're just saying, "We just want to be free." | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
The future is unpredictable for both these countries. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Would you like to find out more | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
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