Episode 3 Dangerous Borders: A Journey across India & Pakistan


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This is one of the world's most dangerous borders,

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dividing two nations - India and Pakistan.

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2,000 miles long, it slices through extraordinary landscapes

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and divides millions of people who once lived alongside each other.

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I'm Babita Sharma, and I'm a journalist.

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My family, as Hindus,

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were forced to move into what became independent India.

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Primarily, I identify with being British.

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That's who I am, I was born and brought up in Britain.

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But I'm also really passionate about my culture as an Indian person.

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I'm going to be travelling the border from the Indian side.

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Wow! It's mind-blowing!

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I'm Adnan Sarwar.

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I was in the British Army and now work for The Economist.

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My Muslim parents were born in what is now Pakistan.

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I've got to know what it means to be a Pakistani

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and what it means to these people here living as Pakistanis, and

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what it means to my mum and dad to be Pakistanis.

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I'm going to be travelling the length of the border

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on the Pakistani side, a country that's just 70 years old.

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Have you ever seen water like this? Look at the colour of it.

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When Britain gave India its independence, it split

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the nation along religious lines, carving out a new Muslim state.

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EXPLOSIONS Since then, there has been frequent conflict along this border,

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that, to this day, very few can cross.

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You can't know Pakistan unless you know partition.

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GUNSHOTS RING OUT They're just saying we want independence.

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"Go, India, go Pakistan. We just want to be free."

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Yet, after two generations apart, these two countries, with such strong ties to Britain,

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still have so much in common and so much to celebrate.

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-DRUMS PLAY

-It's fantastic. We're going to have a great night here tonight.

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My gosh, I've just found a whole new family I didn't even know existed.

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We are making two journeys with the same goal -

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to discover how a line on the map has altered

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the destinies of two countries that used to be one.

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For the last three weeks,

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Babita and I have been travelling on either side of the border

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that divides India and Pakistan, from South to North.

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I am just on the outskirts of Islamabad, here.

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And I want to get up to Gilgit, which is here.

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We've both clocked up about 800 miles

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and we're now beginning the final leg of our journeys.

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I plan to explore Pakistan's remote North, heading to the

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city of Gilgit, passing through the Hunza Valley and ending

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my journey in Thalay, just 25 miles from the disputed border with India

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where troops face each other in a bitter stand-off.

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The two countries have fought four wars since partition -

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in 1947, '65, '71 and '99.

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Getting to film with the Pakistani military is not easy,

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but weeks of trying have finally paid off.

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This is very exciting.

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Today we've managed to get ourselves onto a Pakistani Air Force base,

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so we have got access to Pakistani pilots.

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Pakistan's air force plays a key role in protecting the nation.

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It's a modern military with a threat, you know,

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the next-door neighbour it's always having arguments with,

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it's had wars with.

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The Armed Forces are close to my heart.

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I spent eight years in the British Army as a Royal engineer

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and did two tours of Iraq.

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I feel at home here, because it's military.

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And I just recognise all the, you know, the barracks

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and the parade squares and things, like that, it's really cool.

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Pakistan's defence budget is over £6 billion.

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That's a pretty sobering figure.

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10 times more than the government spend on education.

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The country is making huge arms deals with its neighbour, China,

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to buy fighter jets and submarines.

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And with over 600,000 military personnel,

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their Armed Forces are growing.

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..starting to ease up on the horizon.

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196 knots, starting to ease up on the horizon.

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-Pitch and roll, pitch and roll...

-I'm meeting some new recruits

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and I'm surprised to see 22-year-old Rabia.

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She's one of four women on a cadet course,

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training to be a fighter pilot.

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I was just listening to you doing that.

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I think you're the kind of person I'd probably be

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copying my homework off.

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What's your background, how did you get into the air force?

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I personally do think that in modern times like this,

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women should share the responsibilities of their male

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brothers in defending their motherland.

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I get the feeling that was a bit of a rehearsed PR line.

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I may need to break out a bit of northern charm to get Rabia to open up.

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We do our simulator based training here.

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I'm going to take this scarf off in case it flies off.

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There we go, we have taken off.

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This is really cool.

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It is cool, but I think it is a big responsibility on our shoulders,

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handling this aircraft.

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-Yes.

-It is worth a lot of money.

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See, once we are flying, we are responsible for everyone down there.

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What if this jet crashes?

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So I am responsible for myself, I am responsible for this asset

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of my nation, and I am responsible for the lives that are down there.

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I find attitudes towards women in Pakistan confusing.

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On the one hand there are women like Rabia,

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but it's still a deeply conservative society, where most are

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expected to follow the traditional roles of marriage and motherhood.

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You're a female pilot in Pakistan,

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which would surprise some people, which is unfortunate,

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but it would surprise some people.

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What do your parents think about your chosen career?

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My father, he takes immense pride in this, that I am his daughter

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and I'm in the air force.

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My father is the one who encouraged me to choose this career as a girl.

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The Armed Forces and Pakistan are notoriously elitist, but unlike

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most new recruits, Rabia's family have no military connections.

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With the support of her father,

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she's been able to follow her childhood dream.

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Even if you do end up becoming a commercial pilot,

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we should go and get a flight together.

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-Cos they're not letting me get in this thing.

-No, I would never choose to be a commercial pilot.

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Never a commercial pilot, always in the military.

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OK, so you're quite proud of your country?

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Yes, I'm quite proud of my country

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and I'm quite proud of wearing this uniform.

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With relations as they are, a fifth war with their neighbours

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India isn't regarded as impossible around here.

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-Do you ever imagine going to war?

-Imagine going to war?

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Inshallah, if Allah gives me a chance that there will be a war,

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then I'll, inshallah, play my role in that.

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Who would Pakistan be fighting?

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Anyone who are going to go against us.

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We're going to fight them back with all that we have.

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Rabia straps in for a test fight.

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I'd love to jump in, but there's no room for passengers.

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When I was in the British Army, I fought in Iraq,

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thousands of miles away from home in Burnley.

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If Rabia goes to war,

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there's a good chance she'll be fighting much closer to home.

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I hope trailblazers like Rabia are changing

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the perception of what it means to be a woman in Pakistan.

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But more than that, I hope her skills are never called upon.

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She doesn't think she's cool! She's bloody cool. She's cool.

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See, it's the image of the Pakistani woman, the meek Pakistani woman,

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hiding away in the kitchen with a burqa on and stuff.

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Try telling Rabia that, you know, she'll fly a jet at ya!

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I'm 300 miles from where Adnan is across the border in India

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and here they're just as battle ready.

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700,000 soldiers patrol this area, it's a militarised zone.

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One of the most militarised zones on the planet!

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But you'd never guess it from these views.

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With snow-capped mountains, green valleys and natural lakes,

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I can't wait to get going.

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The last stage of my journey starts here, in Jammu.

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I plan to head north to Katra,

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following the contested border with Pakistan to Srinagar,

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passing through Kargil, and ending my journey

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in the Buddhist enclave of Leh -

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a total of 430 miles.

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My mum came here in 1964 when she was 20.

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And she has talked about it so fondly, saying it's

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one of the most beautiful places that she's ever seen.

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Yet I've grown up hearing about all the problems Kashmir has,

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the violence and the killings and the tensions.

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At partition, Jammu and Kashmir was majority Muslim, but it

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became part of India, something Pakistan refused to accept.

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The two countries have never agreed on an international border here,

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and ownership of the state has been violently disputed to this day.

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Western journalists are not welcome here, so we enter Kashmir without

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official permission, filming only on mobile phones and stills cameras.

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Feeling really nervous about it.

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We just can't risk being caught and stopped.

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'But I think it's a risk worth taking.

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'People's stories need to be heard

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because this is the sharp end of partition.'

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Thank you, Babeshji.

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Akeel!

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'My guide Akeel has been covering Kashmir's turmoils

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'since the late '90s.'

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And we're going straight into it.

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I've asked Akeel to take me

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to Jammu's heavily militarised international border,

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where India and Pakistan regularly exchange fire.

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There is the post in front of us - "Welcome to border security forces.

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"First line of defence," it says.

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Looking like tourists, we step out, filming on our mobile phones.

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I'm only a few hundred metres from a Pakistani military post.

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India-Pakistan.

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I'm just taking a sneaky video before we're kicked out.

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But there it is.

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"Proud to be Indian. And proud to be Muslim.

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70 years ago, I could have caught a train straight through

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here to Sialkot in Pakistan,

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but the line was abandoned after partition

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and the border closed.

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Smile!

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And we're just being watched by a lot of the security forces.

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There is an unreal edge to this place.

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Although foreign media aren't welcome, local tourists are.

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There is even a sweet shop run by Makhan Singh.

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IN HINDI

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Oh, you've been born and brought up in this place?

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What's life like?

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-Risky life.

-Risky life?

-Yes, risky life.

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That's putting it mildly. Makhan has some unusual items on display.

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IN HINDI

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This is a mortar shell.

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POK stands for...?

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Oh, wow! It hasn't blasted.

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He's just showing me some pictures of the things that he's seen.

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IN HINDI

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-So this is from the nearby...

-The nearby villages.

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-And this heavy shelling came from Pakistan side?

-Pakistan side.

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HE SPEAKS IN HINDI

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It's hard to detect the military's strategy behind this.

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It all seems to be pretty indiscriminate.

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Makhan's saying, well, he told us about two villages that have

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been really affected by the cross-border shelling, so we're

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going to go and see if we can go and speak to a few people in the village.

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It's a border, an international border.

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And just behind it is Pakistan.

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There is the community hall.

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-Oh, you can see bullet marks.

-Shell marks, bullet marks.

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You can see it riddled with shrapnel.

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Pieces of shrapnel have gone straight through.

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And it goes on and on.

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-This is...

-This is the bunker.

-This is the bunker here?

-Yeah.

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Akeel tells me the Indian government has built bunkers

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along the border to help protect residents from Pakistani shelling.

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I'll just ask him... Uncle?

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HE REPLIES IN HINDI

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Thank you.

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'Tit-for-tat skirmishes between India and Pakistan continue to

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'plague people living on both sides of the border.

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'28 people were killed last year by cross-border shooting and shelling.'

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So, this is one of the bunkers of the village.

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And it's very well concealed because they don't want it to be

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targeted by any shelling,

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so you've got all these plants that almost look like

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it's merging into, into the village landscape here.

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This level of protection is not just for show.

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Uncle can't sit for too long, so he's just going to lie down.

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HE GROANS

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-He's tired.

-He's tired.

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His son's widow is Rajni.

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Tell me what happened.

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In, in the back of the head?

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COUGHING

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'Families like Geet Singh's, who farm land along the border,

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'have nowhere else to go.

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'And it's ordinary people like them, on both sides of the line,

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'who are paying the price for political tension.'

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You can just see the hopelessness in their eyes.

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That is the reality of what life is like here on the border

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between India and Pakistan.

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'The partition line may have been drawn 70 years ago but this

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'place is a reminder that this conflict is still very much alive.'

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Just 50 miles from the border,

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the fear the Indians feel is also shared here in Pakistan.

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But where I am, at 4,000 feet high up in the mountains,

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the fear comes from an internal threat -

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the Pakistani Taliban operate here.

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Assalaamu Alaikum.

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THEY SPEAK IN URDU

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We've been stopped about six, seven times now by security and police.

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At every scooter check point we've got to, they've said, you know, "Are you foreigners?

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"We need to put somebody in the vehicle with you or send a vehicle with you."

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With some of the highest mountains in the world, this area once

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had a thriving tourist trade.

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But four years ago, a group of Islamist extremists stormed

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a mountain camp and shot dead 10 foreign climbers

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and their Pakistani guide.'

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THEY SPEAK IN URDU

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We've got a guy in the back who won't be filmed, he's got an AK-47.

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He's going to take us to the next checkpoint

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and then be delivered back and then we might get another one.

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They want to get us foreigners from A to B as safely as possible.

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Erm, yeah, Pakistan's had, you know, its own headlines, hasn't it?

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And it doesn't want any more, it doesn't need that.

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Since I've been here, there's been 14 terrorist attacks

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across the country, and it's clear security forces really do

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have a battle on their hands.

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One that's cost thousands of lives and billions of pounds to fight.

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I've got another three hours of driving. It's a long road ahead.

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On the Indian side of the border,

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I'll be leaving the treacherous mountain roads to Adnan.

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I'm leaving Jammu.

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Yes.

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We've ditched the crew vehicle and bought tickets on a local train.

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This is packed, it's heaving.

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I'm heading 30 miles north

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to the spectacular hills of the lower Himalayas.

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This Jammu express to Katra only opened about two years ago.

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The rail line isn't completely finished

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because its destination, at some point in the future,

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is to go all the way to Srinagar in Kashmir.

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CHILDREN CHEER AND SCREAM

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When it's finished, the railway line will stretch over 200 miles.

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To navigate the rocky landscape,

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engineers are building the world's highest railway bridge,

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35 metres taller than the Eiffel Tower

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and costing around £70 million.

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This isn't your everyday commute, most of the passengers

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are on a pilgrimage to one of the holiest sites in the Hindu religion,

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the Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine in Katra.

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It attracts around 8 million visitors every year,

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and is open 24 hours a day.

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It's a great chance for me to reconnect with my roots.

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There's only one problem, though.

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The shrine is a seven mile trek to the top of the mountain.

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So, here we go, we are starting our walk up to

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Vaishno Devi Shrine.

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And it's going to take us five hours to get to the top.

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And we're using our feet. We're not going to take the easy route

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and go on all these beautiful horses and donkeys.

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Vaishno Devi is a manifestation of the mother goddess Shakti,

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and is believed to bestow strength to the weak,

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sight to the blind, wealth to the poor

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and bless childless couples with children.

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DRUMS PLAY Whoo!

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'But you don't have to be Hindu to make this journey.

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'It's a family outing for everyone.'

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Whoo!

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She's not tired at all!

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29! Oh-ho!

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But just making this trip once is a huge honour for every Hindu.

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Wow.

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As a sign of their faith,

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some worshippers bow their body length all the way to the shrine.

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That's over 6,000 agonising bows to the ground.

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The faith of the people here is incredible.

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-Faith, it's big, yeah.

-It is sheer devotion, isn't it?

-Yes...

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And THAT is also sheer devotion,

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trying to push that up the hill, that's incredible.

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14,000 steps and a few blisters later, we've made it.

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We've reached the top and that view...

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SHE GASPS ..is awesome!

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BUZZ OF CHATTER

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It's forbidden to take cameras into the shrine

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but this is religion in the 21st century.

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Once inside the cave, pilgrims greet three decorated rocks

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that symbolise Hindu goddesses.

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Everybody's giving offerings, their pujas, their prayers

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and leaving gifts for the holy shrine.

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Legend has it that those who visit the shrine will be granted

0:24:460:24:49

any wish they make.

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Shall we go in?

0:24:520:24:55

I head into the cave to make my wish, without the camera.

0:24:560:25:00

Mum, did it!

0:25:030:25:06

It's only taken me 53 years after you!

0:25:060:25:09

The shrine at Katra shows the power

0:25:110:25:14

and importance of religion in this region.

0:25:140:25:17

But religion hasn't always been as divisive as it is today.

0:25:170:25:21

My long drive is coming to an end.

0:25:230:25:26

I'm travelling through the state of Gilgit-Baltistan.

0:25:260:25:29

Before partition, this was part of the independent state

0:25:330:25:36

of Jammu and Kashmir, ruled over by a Hindu prince.

0:25:360:25:39

For 100 years, the people of these valleys lived peacefully together,

0:25:410:25:45

but in 1947, there was a Muslim uprising

0:25:450:25:48

and war broke out, splitting the territory in two.

0:25:480:25:50

And signs of the old state are still clear to see.

0:25:550:25:59

After one quick phone call,

0:26:230:26:24

I'm off to meet the oldest man in the village.

0:26:240:26:26

He would have been around when this area split from Kashmir.

0:26:350:26:38

You can see why people would want to fight over this land.

0:26:430:26:46

Hello!

0:26:460:26:48

I find Dr Sharif surrounded by his friends and family.

0:26:480:26:52

I can't think of a better place to grow old.

0:26:520:26:54

Oh, wow.

0:27:020:27:04

Look at the size of that football! It's massive.

0:27:050:27:08

He may be getting on but his memory is still fresh.

0:27:110:27:14

Dr Sharif tells me he joined a paramilitary group in 1947,

0:27:240:27:27

called the Gilgit Scouts, that helped secure Gilgit for Pakistan.

0:27:270:27:31

A few months later, the Pakistani flag was raised in Gilgit,

0:27:530:27:56

effectively splitting Kashmir in two.

0:27:560:27:59

How do you feel now?

0:27:590:28:01

Do you feel that this land should all be together, still,

0:28:010:28:03

or is it better that it's split?

0:28:030:28:05

'It's clear Dr Sharif is full of national pride.

0:28:110:28:14

'But there's one more thing he's really passionate about.'

0:28:140:28:17

Oh, wow. 'Polo.'

0:28:170:28:20

I find out Dr Sharif captained the Gilgit Scouts polo team for three years,

0:28:290:28:34

winning the prestigious Shandu polo tournament in 1965.

0:28:340:28:38

Back home, Polo's the preserve of the rich. Not here.

0:28:560:28:59

We're at the polo in Gilgit and it's just...

0:29:010:29:03

So many people here and the police are scuffling with people

0:29:030:29:07

who are trying to get in, it's just so exciting.

0:29:070:29:09

This is bigger than football, isn't it?

0:29:120:29:15

WHISTLES BLOW

0:29:150:29:17

Driven by armed guard, Dr Sharif arrives.

0:29:170:29:19

He hasn't played a polo match in decades

0:29:210:29:23

but the fans have not forgotten him.

0:29:230:29:26

He is a living legend.

0:29:260:29:28

And while hundreds of people fight to get a good view...

0:29:330:29:36

..I've landed the best seat in the house.

0:29:390:29:42

His old team, renamed the Northern Scouts,

0:29:490:29:51

are playing their rivals, the Gilgit-Baltistan police force.

0:29:510:29:55

I can't make out the rules.

0:30:140:30:16

Luckily, Dr Sharif's son is on hand to explain.

0:30:160:30:19

No rules?

0:30:200:30:22

You're allowed to hit the other player?

0:30:290:30:31

This freestyle polo has been played in northern Pakistan

0:30:370:30:40

since the 15th century and originates from ancient Persia.

0:30:400:30:45

Back in the day, legend has it that polo was played with

0:30:470:30:50

the chopped-off heads of captured enemies,

0:30:500:30:52

as a symbol of victory. These days, it's just played with a ball.

0:30:520:30:56

This no rules polo has claimed its first casualty.

0:31:030:31:06

CROWD CHEERS

0:31:210:31:24

The police win the game, 9-4.

0:31:240:31:27

DRUMMING AND CHEERING

0:31:280:31:31

Even with Kalashnikovs in hand, they break into a traditional

0:31:310:31:33

celebration dance, rubbing the victory in their rivals' faces.

0:31:330:31:37

I'm 130 miles from Adnan, in Srinagar,

0:31:400:31:44

the largest city in Jammu and Kashmir.

0:31:440:31:47

Everywhere I look, I can see the Indian Army.

0:31:470:31:50

700,000 security forces are based across this state.

0:31:500:31:55

That's one security officer for every 20 citizens.

0:31:550:31:58

No matter where you go around here, you're being watched.

0:31:590:32:02

You've got to just be really careful.

0:32:020:32:05

Many Kashmiris here don't want to be governed by India.

0:32:050:32:08

They want an independent state.

0:32:080:32:11

And it's here, in Srinagar, that their voices are the loudest.

0:32:110:32:14

The state is 70% Muslim,

0:32:160:32:19

making it the only state in India where Muslims are in the majority.

0:32:190:32:22

In 1989, militants began an uprising against the Indian forces

0:32:240:32:28

and since then, tens of thousands of people have been killed.

0:32:280:32:32

We've come to Jamia Masjid,

0:32:370:32:39

one of the biggest mosques here in Srinagar.

0:32:390:32:42

In the last nine months, it's this mosque that has been

0:32:420:32:45

the centre of violent protests,

0:32:450:32:47

the clashes between Kashmiris and the Indian Army.

0:32:470:32:50

We're about an hour away from Friday prayers.

0:32:520:32:54

And it's usually after the Friday prayers end that the protestors

0:32:550:32:59

spill out into the main streets around this mosque,

0:32:590:33:02

to protest against what the Kashmiris call

0:33:020:33:04

the Indian occupation of their land.

0:33:040:33:07

CALL TO PRAYER

0:33:090:33:12

Last year, during four months of mass protest

0:33:160:33:18

against the Indian Army,

0:33:180:33:20

more than 100 Kashmiri civilians were killed and 17,000 injured.

0:33:200:33:24

Outside, I meet a group of Kashmiris that have come to pray.

0:33:270:33:31

-Without reason.

-Without reason.

-Without reason.

0:33:390:33:42

India accuses Pakistan of involvement in the protests.

0:33:520:33:56

Every Friday, like clockwork, Indian security forces surround the mosque.

0:33:560:34:01

What have you seen?

0:34:010:34:03

CAR HORNS BEEP

0:34:430:34:46

As Friday prayers end, a protest breaks out.

0:34:460:34:49

CROWD CHANTS:

0:34:510:34:53

The gates to the mosque are locked, keeping protesters inside

0:35:040:35:08

and stopping them from spilling into the busy streets.

0:35:080:35:11

I can't quite believe what I'm seeing.

0:35:140:35:16

The Indian Army have got these slingshots, and they're

0:35:170:35:20

picking up the stones that have been thrown at them, firing stones back.

0:35:200:35:24

On the other side of the gates, I get my first glimpse

0:35:320:35:35

of the protesters, and I'm surprised to see how young they are.

0:35:350:35:39

Well, I wasn't expecting to see a Pakistani flag, but that's

0:35:450:35:49

a very blatant political message from one of the protesters there.

0:35:490:35:54

If you listen to them, they're just saying, "Go, India.

0:35:560:35:59

"We just want to be free."

0:35:590:36:00

The protest quickly escalates.

0:36:030:36:05

Let's pull out, guys, pull out.

0:36:060:36:08

And after several near misses, we decide to pull back.

0:36:100:36:13

Indian forces fire tear gas.

0:36:150:36:17

But the young Kashmir protesters throw it back.

0:36:230:36:26

It's pepper...

0:36:370:36:38

SHE COUGHS

0:36:380:36:39

You can really feel the effects of the tear gas that's just been fired.

0:36:390:36:44

There's been about five or six canisters.

0:36:440:36:46

Violence starts to break out in the crowd, so we decide to leave.

0:36:520:36:55

In 2017, it's almost like partition

0:37:050:37:07

is happening over and over again. Every week.

0:37:070:37:11

People are still feeling it.

0:37:110:37:13

And it's now the next generation.

0:37:130:37:16

Everyone there today was really young. And...

0:37:160:37:19

..that is, for me, the consequence of what happened 70 years ago.

0:37:200:37:26

It's an angry, frustrated voice that will do anything to be heard.

0:37:270:37:33

Yesterday's protest opened my eyes.

0:37:440:37:47

Two and a half decades of rebellion against India

0:37:470:37:50

have taken their toll on the Kashmiri people.

0:37:500:37:53

-Hello, morning.

-Hello. How are you?

0:37:540:37:57

Artists like Massoud are trying new ways to highlight their struggle.

0:37:570:38:02

We have a lot of death and destruction.

0:38:020:38:05

Worst affected are our children.

0:38:050:38:09

When you see the kids carrying out these protests

0:38:090:38:12

and throwing stones and...

0:38:120:38:16

angry, violent, who do you blame for that?

0:38:160:38:20

Imagine the people born during this period.

0:38:200:38:25

They haven't seen anything except violence.

0:38:250:38:28

So they were born under the shadow of gun.

0:38:280:38:31

It's alleged that during protests last year, more than 1,000 Kashmiris

0:38:310:38:35

were shot in the face with pellet guns by the Indian security forces.

0:38:350:38:40

Many are said to have been permanently blinded,

0:38:400:38:42

lots of them children.

0:38:420:38:45

So these are the silent images, 2016.

0:38:450:38:49

Digital art.

0:38:490:38:51

I uploaded those images on social media

0:38:530:38:56

so that it could reach to the masses.

0:38:560:38:59

It's a very powerful image, and I can see how something like that

0:39:010:39:05

would create a lot of conversation and a lot of reaction from people.

0:39:050:39:11

-You can see the pain...

-Exactly.

-..in your art.

0:39:110:39:17

This...

0:39:170:39:18

That's Gandhi.

0:39:200:39:21

These are the hands of a small boy.

0:39:210:39:25

Because of these pellets, he has lost both the eyes.

0:39:250:39:28

So now he has to search for peace,

0:39:280:39:31

so he feels the statue of Gandhi with his...

0:39:310:39:35

Hands. The father of... peace and freedom.

0:39:350:39:40

Srinagar is so beautiful, it's a tragedy that more people

0:39:440:39:48

don't get to see it because of the security situation.

0:39:480:39:51

This is Dal Lake.

0:39:530:39:54

Locally it's known as the jewel in the crown of Kashmir.

0:39:540:39:58

That view.

0:40:010:40:02

Surrounded by the Pir Panjal mountains,

0:40:040:40:07

the lake covers over eight square miles.

0:40:070:40:10

George Harrison chilled out here in the '60s

0:40:110:40:14

and played the sitar with Ravi Shankar.

0:40:140:40:17

What are all of these?

0:40:170:40:19

These are houseboats. These are just like your hotel on the waters.

0:40:190:40:25

-It's also called Venice.

-The Little Venice of Kashmir.

0:40:250:40:30

I can see why.

0:40:300:40:31

But unlike Venice, this is deserted. It feels like there's no-one around.

0:40:320:40:38

-No diners at the restaurant.

-No.

0:40:390:40:42

Everything, all the shops, completely emptied.

0:40:420:40:45

It used to be full of tourists.

0:40:470:40:49

Over 1 million tourists visited Kashmir in 2015.

0:40:510:40:56

But since then, tourist numbers have dwindled to almost nothing.

0:40:560:41:00

It's soul destroying to think that people aren't coming here

0:41:000:41:05

because of all the fighting and the violence.

0:41:050:41:07

And that side of Kashmir just doesn't fit with this,

0:41:090:41:12

which is serene, calm and tranquil.

0:41:120:41:17

This is what Kashmiris want the world to see.

0:41:170:41:20

While other parts of India are moving forward, Kashmir is stuck

0:41:210:41:25

fighting this internal conflict, and it could hold them back for decades.

0:41:250:41:30

Pakistan, on the other hand,

0:41:330:41:35

is forging a new alliance with a powerful neighbour.

0:41:350:41:38

I'm travelling along the Karakoram Highway.

0:41:440:41:47

It's an 800-mile stretch of road that goes all the way to China.

0:41:490:41:53

It's one of the highest paved roads on earth.

0:41:540:41:57

Built by Pakistan and China, it's a major trade route, helping to

0:42:000:42:04

generate £11 billion of trade a year between the two countries.

0:42:040:42:07

We've been on the Karakoram Highway a few days now.

0:42:080:42:11

This last stretch has just been really smooth and developed

0:42:110:42:14

and safe.

0:42:140:42:16

And it's this friendship and this relationship that the Chinese

0:42:160:42:19

have got with the Pakistanis, it feels like something is happening.

0:42:190:42:21

That's the thing, it feels like something is happening.

0:42:210:42:24

In return, the Karakoram Highway gives China direct road access to

0:42:250:42:30

Gwadar port on Pakistan's coast,

0:42:300:42:33

where traffic from Chinese commercial

0:42:330:42:35

and naval vessels is growing.

0:42:350:42:38

And for Pakistan, it's opened up remote areas like Attabad Lake to tourism.

0:42:380:42:44

Have you ever seen water like this? Look at the colour of it.

0:42:440:42:47

Shoaib captains a boat, taking visitors on the lake.

0:42:550:42:58

Shoaib tells me the lake was formed after a massive

0:43:220:43:24

landslide at Attabad village in 2010, killing 20 people.

0:43:240:43:29

It blocked the flow of the Hunza River,

0:43:320:43:33

slowly forming this lake over seven months.

0:43:330:43:36

There is just little bits, you can see evidence of people's houses.

0:43:410:43:45

The original Karakoram Highway also disappeared with the village underwater.

0:43:540:43:58

To restore this vital trade link and bypass the lake, China and Pakistan

0:44:010:44:06

built a series of bridges and tunnels, costing over £200 million.

0:44:060:44:10

That's the tunnel that the Chinese built with the Pakistanis,

0:44:120:44:15

seven kilometres long, four point... 4.5 miles, something like that.

0:44:150:44:19

The China connection is big.

0:44:370:44:39

The two countries have now signed a £46 billion

0:44:390:44:42

series of construction deals

0:44:420:44:44

that should rapidly modernise Pakistani infrastructure

0:44:440:44:47

and strengthen the economy.

0:44:470:44:49

How do you see the future of Pakistan?

0:44:490:44:51

Do you see a burst of trade with China

0:44:510:44:52

and a burst of trade with the world?

0:44:520:44:54

I drive further up the Karakoram Highway and, after an hour,

0:45:100:45:13

reach the Passu Glacier.

0:45:130:45:15

It waters this high altitude farmland,

0:45:180:45:21

providing food for the remote communities.

0:45:210:45:23

I'm now only 60 miles from China.

0:45:250:45:27

Most of the people here are Ismaili Muslims,

0:45:300:45:33

one of the more moderate sections of Islam.

0:45:330:45:35

Hello. Assalaamu Alaikum.

0:45:370:45:39

They speak Wakhi, and have Aryan origins.

0:45:400:45:43

Unlike some ultraconservative parts of Pakistan,

0:45:450:45:47

where girls are stopped from going to school, education here,

0:45:470:45:51

especially for girls, is really valued.

0:45:510:45:53

What are you going to be, what are you going to do with your lives?

0:46:050:46:08

-Doctor.

-Doctor?

-Doctor.

-Doctor.

0:46:080:46:09

-Doctor.

-Doctor.

-Teacher.

-Teacher.

0:46:090:46:12

-Heart doctor.

-Heart doctor.

0:46:120:46:14

-Eye doctor.

-Eye doctor.

0:46:140:46:16

This is what all villages in Pakistan could look like,

0:46:220:46:24

if all students, regardless of gender,

0:46:240:46:27

are given the same opportunities.

0:46:270:46:29

And it's all made possible through a mixture of government

0:46:310:46:33

and private schools, and academies funded by international foundations.

0:46:330:46:38

Assalaamu Alaikum. Assalaamu Alaikum.

0:46:390:46:42

-A little bit English.

-A little bit, OK. Great. This is your field?

0:46:430:46:46

-Yeah, this is my field.

-What do you grow?

-Potatoes and some vegetables.

0:46:460:46:50

Then we have wheat also, the green field is wheat.

0:46:500:46:52

-Where did you learn English?

-When we were going to school,

0:46:520:46:55

from classics, we start just A, B, C.

0:46:550:46:58

-Does everybody learn English?

-Nowadays, yes, everyone.

-Wow.

0:46:580:47:01

In this area we have good schools here,

0:47:010:47:03

especially this village, 100% literacy.

0:47:030:47:05

-100% literacy levels?

-Yeah, in this village.

0:47:050:47:08

It's probably more than Burnley.

0:47:080:47:10

Education has given Ijaz's children opportunities he only dreamt of.

0:47:110:47:16

He tells me his eldest daughter is studying a Masters degree

0:47:160:47:18

in economics at Islamabad University.

0:47:180:47:21

She plans to return to the village and become a banker.

0:47:210:47:25

Looking at all the development that's gone on in Pakistan, and one

0:47:250:47:28

of the big things I've seen is the Chinese development and the road.

0:47:280:47:31

Do you the kids might end up learning Chinese?

0:47:310:47:33

First they will learn English and nowadays the Chinese also.

0:47:330:47:38

Because of the road and all this.

0:47:380:47:41

I just think Pakistan is lucky to have this forward kind of thinking.

0:47:420:47:45

You know, you've got this really young,

0:47:450:47:48

vibrant, bursting population who are really educated.

0:47:480:47:51

On the border with China.

0:47:510:47:54

It's huge.

0:47:540:47:56

By forging a relationship with China,

0:47:570:47:59

and by putting education at the forefront of children's development,

0:47:590:48:03

it feels this remote northern area is headed in the right direction.

0:48:030:48:07

100 miles from Anand in India, I've spent most of my time

0:48:140:48:19

avoiding treacherous mountain drives.

0:48:190:48:21

But now, I can no longer avoid it.

0:48:210:48:23

I'm heading along the Zojila Pass in the Himalayan ranges.

0:48:270:48:31

At over 11,000 feet,

0:48:310:48:33

this is one of the most dangerous stretches of road in the world.

0:48:330:48:37

I can see the rocks falling, I've seen a few coming down.

0:48:370:48:40

ENGINE STUTTERS

0:48:400:48:41

Oh, dear, that doesn't sound very healthy.

0:48:410:48:44

You don't want a breakdown on this road, there's no AA around here.

0:48:440:48:48

Wow.

0:48:490:48:50

It might be the lifeline from Srinagar to Kargil,

0:48:510:48:54

but you could well lose your life on this pass.

0:48:540:48:56

Kargil is my next stop.

0:48:580:48:59

It's where the last war was fought between India and Pakistan in 1999.

0:48:590:49:04

The border in this region is not like the international border

0:49:060:49:10

I visited at the start of my journey in Jammu.

0:49:100:49:12

It's called the Line of Control, also known as the LOC.

0:49:130:49:18

It roughly marks the military front where India

0:49:180:49:21

and Pakistan declared a ceasefire line in 1949.

0:49:210:49:26

It's not an official border, but acts as a boundary

0:49:260:49:29

between the two hostile countries, running for 460 miles.

0:49:290:49:34

And it's split thousands of families

0:49:370:49:38

who live apart in neighbouring villages.

0:49:380:49:42

Assalaamu Alaikum. Babita.

0:49:420:49:44

Sajid Hussein has lived here his whole life.

0:49:440:49:47

We are in the Line of Control. This is Hunderman village...

0:49:470:49:53

from Indian side, which comes under Kargil district.

0:49:530:49:57

And that village is Brolmo village. Brolmo village is in Pakistan.

0:49:570:50:02

-And the Line of Control runs directly through this area?

-Yeah.

0:50:020:50:06

I can see that Pakistani village from here.

0:50:090:50:13

And there can't be more than five kilometres separating them.

0:50:130:50:17

It's just two or three kilometres away from the villages.

0:50:170:50:21

So there are families that are from this village that have

0:50:210:50:24

family in that village over there.

0:50:240:50:26

Yes, of course.

0:50:260:50:27

Hi.

0:50:320:50:33

Saeed Rizvi has a half brother

0:50:410:50:43

living just over the border in Pakistan.

0:50:430:50:46

Oh, lots of pictures.

0:50:460:50:48

You look so different. SHE LAUGHS

0:50:500:50:52

-This is him, here, at 38?

-30 years.

0:50:520:50:56

That's his brother.

0:50:560:50:58

He tells me if he could cross the Line of Control,

0:50:580:51:00

he could visit his brother within hours.

0:51:000:51:03

How far is your brother's house to where you are now?

0:51:030:51:07

Instead of this short trip, Saeed must take a 1,600 mile detour

0:51:170:51:22

around the Line of Control that can take up to 15 days.

0:51:220:51:26

He's only been able to visit his brother once.

0:51:260:51:29

Most families simply can't afford it.

0:51:290:51:31

Do you know how many families are divided like yours?

0:51:310:51:34

And some probably have never seen their families.

0:51:480:51:51

Some families have waited a generation to meet

0:52:130:52:16

their relatives on both sides of the Line of Control.

0:52:160:52:19

I can't help but feel it's like the Berlin Wall of Asia.

0:52:190:52:23

Not just dividing families, but communities,

0:52:230:52:27

who for centuries used to live together.

0:52:270:52:29

It's taken us days to get here, but I'm so glad that we came.

0:52:300:52:34

Because I had no idea that partition affected people

0:52:340:52:38

this far north of the border.

0:52:380:52:41

It's heartbreaking...

0:52:420:52:43

..to think that today...

0:52:460:52:48

..families can't be together.

0:52:510:52:52

70 miles away in Pakistan, my journey is coming to an end.

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Over the last five weeks, I've travelled over 1,400 miles,

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crossing three states.

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I'm now high up in the Thalay Valley.

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53 miles east is the Siachen Glacier,

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the highest battlefield in the world, where even now Pakistan

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and India are locked in a stalemate over whose land this really is.

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But the people that live here

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just seem to be getting on with their lives.

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Hello, baby. That tongue feels lovely.

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Seven decades of bitter separation have cost both Pakistan

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and India dearly.

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Not just in terms of military spending and lost lives, but also

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at the cost of trade, which would massively benefit the two nations.

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On this journey, I've seen so many reasons to be positive,

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and it's all down to the people that I've met,

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who, despite all the problems, are just getting on with things

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and moving this country forward into the 21st century.

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The Pakistan that I've met today is a young country,

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it's a 70-year-old country, and it's trying to work itself out.

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It's trying to work itself out with that really awkward

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conversation it's got to have with its neighbour.

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About how they, you know, fell out 70 years ago.

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I'm leaving Pakistan with a real sense of optimism for the future.

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And not just for this country, but for myself, as a British Pakistani.

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This is the end of my journey here in Pakistan.

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It's not the end of my relationship with Pakistan.

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I feel more of a Pakistani, feel like it's more of me,

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and I feel like it's just going to get more

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and more deeper as I visit this country more.

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This is a part of me.

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The end's in sight for me, too.

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We've driven to Leh, where Buddhism is the main religion.

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We've come to one of the biggest monasteries here, Hemis Monastery.

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It's so peaceful. I can't think of a better way to end my journey.

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Hemis Monastery dates back to the 1600s,

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and attracts tourists from all over the world.

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It's customary to make an offering to Buddha with flowers,

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candles, fruit, incense or water.

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Offering water symbolises purity and clarity of mind.

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We're just walking around this beautiful,

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huge statue of Buddha here.

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Many of the people that come here, tourists and also Buddhists,

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do the same walk.

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And one is the minimum, but if you can do three,

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that's considered auspicious.

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But here the monks walk around

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sometimes thousands and thousands of times.

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I came on this journey to find out what India has become

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70 years after partition.

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And what I witnessed in Kashmir has affected me the most.

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What do you think about the problems of Jammu and Kashmir?

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When I started my journey five weeks ago in the southern state

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of Gujarat, I got a sense that partition was starting to fade into history.

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But as I made my way north through Rajasthan, then the Punjab

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and now Kashmir, the legacy of partition grew stronger and more bitter.

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From the innocent victims living in fear along the border, to the

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Kashmiris who feel oppressed in their own land.

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The truth is, is that I...

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realise how partition has ripped the heart out of India.

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And to this day, people are still suffering.

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And it breaks my heart to think that this power struggle

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between Pakistan and India is preventing peace today in 2017.

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Would you like to find out more about why India was partitioned

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and Pakistan created?

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