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In post-war Britain, times were tough, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
and the role cinema played in boosting morale | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
was never more important. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
In the 1940s and '50s, the nation was nearly bankrupt, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:29 | |
and rationing would last until 1954. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
So audiences flocked to see a succession of war films | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
that reflected both their own recent experiences | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
and celebrated how Britain had triumphed in the face of adversity. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Here, we're looking at the best of those great British war films. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
And we begin with Noel Coward's classic In Which We Serve, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
made during the war, in 1942, and this film is hugely important | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
because, as we shall see, it was a launchpad for so many famous actors. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:08 | |
Not least for Richard Attenborough, who made his big-screen debut | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
playing the only sailor who deserts his post. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
Now, Richard's name was accidentally left off the credits of the film | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
but Noel Coward, otherwise known as "The Master", | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
made some amends for that here, praising his performance | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
during this encounter at the National Film Theatre in 1971. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
My friend here... | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
gave a wonderful performance. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
And, coming not too far behind, I was very good. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
It was very carefully cast and, I must say, I think | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
I'm very proud of it indeed. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
It repaid...for many, many years, having known the Navy, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
and come from a naval family, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
I'd been at sea a great deal with the Navy and I wanted, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
in a way, to pay a very tiny bit of my debt back | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
for all the wonderful hospitality that I'd received. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
And without Lord Mountbatten... | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
..it would never have got off the floor and onto the screen. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
He had just taken over Combined Operations | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
and was working like a dog and, every Sunday, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
I think I told you this, he used to work on the rushes with me, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
so that we did get it accurate. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
And, of course, with his usual extraordinary concentration... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
..he did arrange everything. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
The commander-in-chief, Portsmouth, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
lent me 200 real sailors | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
every day for two weeks. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
So that all the drill, and everything, was accurate | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
and not a lot of actors putting their lanyards in unorthodox places. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:07 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
And, of course, the net result of having the authentic chaps | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
doing it made it real. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
MACHINERY GRINDS AND THUMPS | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
MAN SHOUTS INSTRUCTIONS | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
All right! Shake it up! | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
All right. Let's have it down there! | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Come on! Shake it up! | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
REPEATED FIRE | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Come on, set 'em ready! | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Pick it up! That's not ready! | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
KLAXON, EXPLOSION | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
-Keep it up. Stop star shell. -Stop star shell! | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Star shell, check, check, check! | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
And again! | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
EXPLOSIONS | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
It wasn't entirely a mistake casting him for that part. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
He practically stole the picture. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
And it was fun. Fun. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Quite a lot of it was fun, but it was very hard work. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
But, thank God, it turned out all right. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
I'd like to tell just one very brief story about In Which We Serve. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
Towards the end of the film... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
..we were in a Carley float and we were in a tank in the studios. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
And because we were all somewhat delicate, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
the water was heated slightly. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
We were in this tank for, I think, between two and three weeks. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
The smell was something to be wondered at. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
There was oil on the water, there was sawdust all round the tank, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
which was going mouldy, it was absolutely awful. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
It was the remains of us every day. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
And on our last day... We all used to lower ourselves, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
holding our noses, into the water, but The Master, of course, never. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
Always first in, off the edge and dived in. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
A little flat but, nevertheless, dived in. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
On this last day, he emerged from underneath the water with oil | 0:06:12 | 0:06:18 | |
and filth and dirt streaming off his face | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and turned to all of us, who were waiting to go in, and said, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
"There's dysentery in every ripple." | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
John Mills had appeared in films for a decade before In Which We Serve | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
but it was his role as Seaman Shorty Blake | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
that really saw his career take off | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
and made him one of British cinema's biggest stars. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
MACHINE-GUN FIRE | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
-HE COUGHS -Got it. I spoke too soon. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
How did they get the gunshots there? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
You were obviously in a studio, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
but how the dickens did they get machine-gun fire | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
on the top of the water? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
Well, that was a bit tricky and, of course, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
it was a long time ago and special effects weren't what they are today. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
And they didn't know what to do. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
Noel said, "We can't use live ammunition, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
"he's only halfway through the film." | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
They got the property master to come and, this is absolutely true, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
he went out into Denham, he went to a chemist and he bought grosses of | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
what we used to call in those days, rather delicately, French letters. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Brought them back to the studio and the special effects | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
got a long steel pipe, put it under the water, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
about that far from the top, fitted these things on, one after another, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
like that, blew in compressed air, and then they got the shot. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
It really worked. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
And so I'll really go down as the only actor to have been | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
shot in the arm by a contraceptive. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
It was a very good shot. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
In Which We Serve was also the first directing opportunity | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
for a man who would go on to become | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
a giant of world cinema. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
Oh! The great David Lean. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
Oh, yes, he started in Britain. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
We'll hear from David himself later but, for now, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
here, once again, is Noel Coward. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
Noel, what made you choose David Lean? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
Well, when I knew that I was embarked on this project... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
Up until then, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
I hadn't been profoundly impressed with British films, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
as a whole. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
And I thought, well, I'd better have a look-see. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
And so I went to a projection room | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
twice a day for two weeks | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
and saw every British film that was available. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
And out of the credits | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
I observed that the ones I'd liked, the cutting... | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
..had been done by somebody called David Lean | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
and the photography had been done by somebody called Ronald Neame | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
and the general production | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
had been done by Anthony Havelock-Allan. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
And so, I said, "All right, let's have a look." | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
So, I asked David Lean to come and see me. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
And he said, yes, he would do it with pleasure | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
but he insisted on co-directing. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
People stiffened, like a Bateman drawing. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
But I said, "Oh, please, do," | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
because I knew nothing, apart from having played a scoundrel, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
I knew nothing, really, about any of the technical side | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
of making a movie. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
And, of course, it was David who directed the picture. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
I took the actors aside occasionally... | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
But he was a wonderful director. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
The director of The Dam Busters, Michael Anderson, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
also got his big break on In Which We Serve. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
He's seen here acting opposite John Mills in the role of Albert Fosdick. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
He was also working behind the camera as David Lean's assistant | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
and here he is discussing how one particular scene of Lean's | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
had made a huge impression upon him. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
I worked with him as his assistant very closely | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
on In Which We Serve, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
and I remember, for instance, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
a scene - I was standing there when it was being shot - | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
and David and Noel Coward were directing it. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
The scene in the shed when the ship had gone down | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
and the men were shaking the captain by the hand and saying goodbye. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
In the script, it just read, "The men say goodbye to the captain." | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
The way it was handled, it developed into a deeply moving scene, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
playing on the face of nearly every man that the audience | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
had come to know throughout the story. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
And I was... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
This kind of thing, I think, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
has affected some of the moods that I've tried to create myself. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Goodbye. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:15 | |
-Goodbye, Sir. -Goodbye, Rawlings. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
-Goodbye, Sir. -Goodbye. Thank you. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
-Good luck, sir. -Thanks. Goodbye. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
-Bless you, sir. -Thank you. Goodbye. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Goodbye, sir. It's been very nice to know you. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
Thanks, Roach. Goodbye. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
-Very best of luck, sir. -Thanks, Moone. Goodbye. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Goodbye, sir. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
-Goodbye, sir. -Goodbye, Moran. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
-Goodbye. -Goodbye, Hollett. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
-Goodbye, sir. -Goodbye, Edgecombe. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
-Goodbye, sir. Bon voyage. -Thanks, Brodie. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
-Goodbye, sir. -Goodbye, Mackeridge. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
-Good luck, sir. -Thanks, Blake. Goodbye. -Goodbye, sir. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
And Michael Anderson goes on to talk about | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
how he tried to create a similar mood in The Dam Busters. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
The men are preparing to take off for the raid | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
and some are playing cricket | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
and others are drinking soup from Thermos flasks | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
and others are writing letters home, and it set | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
the mood of the people who were about to embark upon this mission. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
And I did it all in one continuous take. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
I did it from the moment of a man catching a cricket ball | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
until the final moment, when everyone is on the last truck | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
and the waiting planes are mere dots in the distance. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
This is the kind of contribution, I think, that one makes. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
MURMUR OF CONVERSATION | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
MUSIC: The Dam Busters March PLAYS SLOWLY | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
LAUGHTER AND CONVERSATION | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
JAUNTY WHISTLING | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
Well, chaps. My watch says time to go. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
MUSIC SWELLS | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
MUSIC: The Dam Busters March | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
One of the things that came, I think, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
mainly from me, was the fact that I wanted to cast all the people | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
in all the aircraft to their near physical likeness. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
In other words, I had photographs of all the crews. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
Wherever possible, I spoke to survivors, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
members of crew who'd survived. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
And I went to great trouble to try and get the people in each plane | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
as near to those who took part in the raid themselves. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
This was a luxury. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
I'm sure that an audience wouldn't be aware of this fact | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
but it was something that I felt was a responsibility of mine | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
towards the people who were in the planes. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
I would say that what we did in Dam Busters was the forerunner | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
to what became known as audience participation. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
The way the film was treated was to take the audience | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
with those pilots on a bombing raid | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
and to show them as much as the bombers and the pilots saw. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
We didn't attempt to show the German side at all. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
Whether this is right or wrong is another question. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
This was the point of view we took. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
And we followed it through right through to the end. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
We lead the audience to take the part of the pilot in that raid. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
This is new. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Hutch, warn the others. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
New course, skipper. 165, magnetic. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
MUSIC: The Dam Busters March | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
The real-life leader of Dambusters Squadron was | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
Wing Commander Guy Gibson, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
played in the film by Richard Todd. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Todd was also Ian Fleming's | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
first choice for the role of James Bond | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
before Sean Connery got the licence to kill. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
He was also a war hero, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
one of the first British soldiers to | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
land in Normandy as part of Operation Overlord. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
Didn't you find it difficult or inhibiting | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
to play a real and recent hero? | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
Erm... | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
I found it difficult. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
I find it difficult playing anything, but I'd spent | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
nearly two years working up to the Guy Gibson role, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
talking to people who knew him, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
his relations and friends and chaps who had flown with him. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Not inhibiting, because whether you create an imaginary character | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
or whether you try to model yourself on a living person, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
if a character has sufficient impact and reason for being | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
put on the screen at all, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
whether he's living or whether he's imaginary, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
it does presuppose the fact that it is an interesting person, you know? | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
And you either try to create the interesting person or you try | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
to model yourself on an existing interesting person. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
You wouldn't agree with somebody who said that a hero in fact was | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
just brave, but not interesting apart from his bravery? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
Well, that's difficult to answer, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
because there are so many different types of hero. Erm... | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
A lot of so-called heroic people that | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
I have met are very intelligent and very interesting people | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
and their bravery didn't come out of sort of derring-do so much | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
as out of taking an intelligent, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
calculated risk and hoping to get away with it. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
And here is Todd talking again in a much later interview | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
about the film with which he became most strongly associated. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
Brakes off! | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
All the leading actors were ex-service. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
They knew how to salute and how to march and how to stand | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
and how to take an order and how to give an order. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
-All set? -Yes, sir. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
'And they knew what all those blokes must have felt during the raid.' | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
Good luck. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
For added authenticity, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
grainy test footage of the bouncing bomb was added to the film. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
Whenever you saw the bouncing bomb, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
it was always as if you were seeing through a pair of binoculars. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
That explained why the quality of film was different, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
because the original film was pretty dire, pretty scratchy. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
At the time of filming, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
the famous backspin of the bombs was still a state secret, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
so each frame was painted over with a blobby circle to | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
hide its true barrel shape. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
The whole ethos of The Dam Busters was, "It's a job, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
"let's get on with it," which is what it was actually like in war. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
Enemy coast ahead. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Two years after The Dam Busters, in 1957, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
came another giant of a war film. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
David Lean's Bridge On The River Kwai, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
today considered one of the greatest epics of all time. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
It starred Alec Guinness as Lieutenant Colonel Nicholson, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
the man in charge of British soldiers in a Japanese war camp | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
in Burma. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
I must call your attention, Colonel Saito, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
to Article 27 of the Geneva Convention. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
Belligerents may employ as workmen prisoners of war | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
who are physically fit other than officers. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Give me the book. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
By all means. You read English, I take it? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
-Do you read Japanese? -I'm sorry, no. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
But if it's a matter of precise translation, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
I'm sure that can be arranged. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
You see, the code specifically states that the... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
MEN MURMUR | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
Stand fast in the ranks! | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
You speak to me of codes? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
What code? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
The coward's code! | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
What do you know of the soldier's code, of Bushido? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
Nothing! | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
You are unworthy of command! | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Despite the praise that has been heaped on the film | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
ever since its release, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
Lean himself was not entirely happy with all of it. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
The cameras were taken away from me, the movie... The sound cameras. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
And I finished that film with an Aeroflex, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
which as you know is a hand camera. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
We did the waterfall scene, a whole lot of scenes, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
which gave it a size that it hadn't got before. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Anyhow, that's that. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
What scene had you shot, then, that prompted them to say, "OK. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
"That's the end and we'll take away the cameras now"? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
Alec is blown up at the end. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
And I foolishly... | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
..took a shot of James Donald, who was the doctor, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
looking around the blown-up bridge and saying, "Madness, madness..." | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
And then walking away from camera. Now, as he walks away from camera, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
James was put straight onto the aeroplane, of course, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
as soon as he had said, "Madness, madness," and it was a double, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
who is like some ghastly mannequin sort of walking across the sand. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
I can't bear it. I saw the other day. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
The film won seven Oscars, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
including the Best Actor award for Alec Guinness, who here tells | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
Michael Parkinson the story of how he cracked one particular scene. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
What about that famous walk in River Kwai, you mentioned | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
the film there, when you'd been put in that awful isolation thing | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
and you had that extraordinary staggering or lurching | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
walk across the parade ground when they let you go. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
Where did that come from? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
Well, that's a sort of very personal one. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
But it's true because it shows the funny process that does | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
go on with an actor, maybe. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
My son had polio when he was about 12 | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
and was paralysed from the waist down. He's fine now. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
He plays rugger and runs around, does whatever he wants, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:07 | |
but when he was recovering and walking again a bit, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
it was obviously a very stiff, strange walk, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
and I had a little cine camera | 0:23:16 | 0:23:17 | |
and I remember, when he was first walking, taking shots of this | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
and then when one saw it on the screen, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
my wife and I persuaded ourselves that he was fine, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
he was walking fine, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
but obviously deep down inside one, one thought, "Oh, Lord, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
"he's going to limp for life," | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
or something, you know, of that nature. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
And years later, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
when it came to doing that scene on the River Kwai, I found | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
myself doing the identical walk that I had on that little | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
cine camera from five, six years previously. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
I had entirely forgotten. I didn't know I was doing it. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
It was only when I saw myself on the screen, I thought, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
"Where on earth did that curious, slightly lurchy, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
"bent walk come from?" | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
-It was the same as I had on the cine camera. -That's extraordinary. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
Now to another film where getting the walk right was crucial. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
It's Reach For The Sky, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
the tale of Douglas Bader, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
the great pilot who became a World War II hero, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
despite having lost both legs in an earlier flying accident. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Douglas Bader was a one-off. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Originally, he was meant to be played by Richard Burton, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
but Kenneth More lobbied hard for the part | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
and absolutely made it his own. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
-How did you actually get inside the part of Bader? -Well, I met Douglas. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
I played a round of golf with him - | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
that's the way to learn about a man, you know, to play golf with him - | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
at Gleneagles, and met him | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
once or twice at dinner with Ronnie Squire, my old friend. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
And he hated the film people. He said, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
"I like you, Ken. You're all right. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
"You can do it, but the rest of them can't. They're awful." | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
But I managed to sort of... I took to his character. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
I warmed towards him and I saw what he stood for, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
because he's really a Rudyard Kipling fellow, you know? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
There's not many men like Douglas Bader. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
But it seems to me that it's much, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
much more than simply learning how to play a man with tin legs? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
Well, you've got to learn to walk with no legs. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
I mean, I went to the limb centre in Putney | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
and they made some artificial legs to go round my own. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
And I remember Danny Angel telling me, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
"You must remember that your legs weigh a ton each. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
"Everything is painful, dragging your legs around. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
"If you haven't got any legs, you've still got them. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
"And you're conscious of them all the time." | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
And when you appreciate that, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
that you cannot move this enormous weight below you, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
you understand the part. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
I think we ought to see a clip now. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
It's a particularly telling scene. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
It's in fact after you have had your aeroplane crash, as Douglas Bader, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
and you don't in fact yet know that you've lost both legs. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
At the age of 21. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:03 | |
Nice of you to come and see me. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Yes, isn't it? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
As a matter of fact, I've come to say goodbye. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
What? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
I've been posted to the Middle East. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Oh... | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
Lucky devil. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
I wish I was going with you. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
HE MOANS | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Giving you some trouble? | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Well, it's the left one. It hurts like hell. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
It's bound to hurt at first, I expect. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Well, I wish they'd cut it off, like they did the right one. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
That doesn't hurt at all. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Would you really like them to cut it off? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
I don't give a damn what they do as long as they stop it hurting. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
Matter of fact, Douglas, they have taken it off. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
Why does it hurt so much, then? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
You had to know some time. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:15 | |
Yes, I suppose so. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Thanks for telling me, John. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Now, that's a very moving scene. There's a story, isn't there? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
There is a story about that scene. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Just before that scene took place, the tea trolley, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
the studio tea trolley, came around. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
Now, on the tea trolley there were always 12 pieces of bread | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
and dripping. Only 12, never less, never more. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Now, 12 people wanted bread and dripping. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
More than 12 people wanted bread and dripping, including me. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
But you had to get in fast before everybody else grabbed it. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
So just before the scene started, I said to my stand-in, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
Jack Mandeville, "Get me a piece of bread and dripping!" | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
So we played the scene and I really rose to the occasion | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and I had them all crying and I was crying myself. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
You couldn't hear a pin drop in the studio. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
And immediately Lewis Gilbert who directed the film said, "Cut." | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
And everybody was going, "Oh, my God..." | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
I said, "Jack! Did you get my piece of bread and dripping?" | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Reach For The Sky was Britain's biggest box office hit | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
for 1956. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:16 | |
In fact, it was the most successful film in Britain | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
since Gone With The Wind. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
So what was it like for the film's subject? | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Here is the man himself, Douglas Bader, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
talking to Dennis Tooie in 1965. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
What was your general reaction to Reach For The Sky? I know, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
in fact, you never saw the film publicly, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
but I gather you did see, it or most of it, before it was released? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
Yes, I did. Well, actually, it was... | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
It's a very difficult thing to answer, that, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
because the producer of the film, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
a chap called Daniel Angel, for whom I have the greatest possible regard, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
he was in the Army in the war and he got polio in India, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
fighting out there, and he's paralysed from the waist down. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
He's a very good chap | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
and we had the most monumental arguments about the script | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
and so on and, of course, the difficulty of looking | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
at a film about yourself, whether it is you or me or whoever it is, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
and your past, is that you see...it's unreal. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
You see, for instance, scenes you recognise, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
words you recollect, and people are saying things | 0:29:19 | 0:29:25 | |
and you recognise it all, but it's being said by strangers. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Your wife is some girl you've never seen before in your life. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
You are depicted by Kenneth More or whoever it is, you know, and | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
so you can't understand it anyhow, but the whole thing is unreal. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
You cannot see it objectively. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
Did Kenneth More in fact consult much with you about the part? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
No. Kenneth More was very, very wise about this, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
certainly afterwards. He saw me once. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
We met at lunchtime, when he said he'd do the part, you know, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
and then he played a round of golf with me | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
because he wanted to see what happened on the golf course. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
And he never saw me again | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
until the film had been finished | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
because he said - and of course he was quite right - he said, "Look, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
"if I live with you..." A lot of people said to me, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
"I suppose Kenneth More has lived with you for weeks, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
"because he's so frightfully good. He took you off so marvellously." | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
And the answer was, as Kenneth said, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
"If I am against you all the time I shall caricature you." | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
And he was absolutely right. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
We were talking about how you felt about the film. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
How did people close to you, your friends and your wife...? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Well, my friends - and these are the people who matter in life, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
obviously - my friends said it was frightfully good | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
and my wife slipped off to the local one evening, you know, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
several weeks after it had been shown, and she came back and said, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
"It was absolutely uncanny the way that Kenneth More has got you. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
"He's quite extraordinary." | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
Now, that's from your wife. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
I mean, I've been keeping the woman for 30-odd years now | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and she really must know! | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
The director of Reach For The Sky was Lewis Gilbert. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
I've had the privilege to work for him a couple of times myself. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
He also made Alfie, Educating Rita, Shirley Valentine, oh, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
and three James Bond films. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Did you enjoy making Reach For The Sky with Kenneth More? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Yeah, I loved Kenneth More. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
And it was very interesting with Douglas Bader, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
but Bader, who was a great man, lost his legs when he was about 21, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
learned to walk, and rejoined the Air Force with no legs. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
I mean, he was an amazing character. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
But he was very difficult. I mean, really difficult. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
And I suppose... | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
-In what way? -Well, in many ways. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
Well, for instance, he said to me, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
"Well, Gilbert, you were in the Air Force. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
"Why don't you write the script?" | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
And I did and then he said to me, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
"Well, you've left out all my friends," and I said, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
"Well, the book is 600 pages and there's 500 people. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
"We obviously have to leave some out," and he said, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
"Well, that's your problem. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
"You've got to put my friends back in. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
"And if you don't, I won't help you | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
-"and I won't be doubling for Kenneth More." -Oh, goodness. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
And I'd had enough of that so I said to him, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
"Well, Douglas, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
"if we can make an ape climb up the Empire State Building | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
"in King Kong, I daresay we can find | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
"somebody to double for you without legs." | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
-Which we did. -Tough talking. -That's what happened, yes. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
Reach For The Sky wasn't the only story of a real-life war hero | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
that Lewis Gilbert directed. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
Two years later, in 1958, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
he made Carve Her Name With Pride, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
starring Virginia McKenna. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
This was the powerful and harrowing true story of Violette Szabo, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
a British spy who bravely worked behind enemy lines. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
I don't think I really did look like Violette very much. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
First of all, she was dark and I was fair, and they didn't want me | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
to change the colour of my hair. They said it was fine as it was. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
It was more the essence, really, of the character they wanted, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
more than someone who looked the same. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
Tres bien. Merci, bonsoir. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
Virginia was wonderful in that film, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
but she wasn't naturally that kind of character, because she's | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
very quiet and very laid back, and it was a great difficulty for her | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
to be running round with a machine gun and being a wartime heroine. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
The film's most moving scene comes at the end | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
where, despite being tortured, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Violette refuses to betray her comrades. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
We had to walk out and down a path to a barren square, | 0:33:54 | 0:34:01 | |
where there was a line of men with guns. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
We were asked to stand in a row. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
And that's where we were executed. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
The three British agents - Denise Bloch, Lillian Rolfe, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
and Violette Szabo - are to be shot. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
I'd had a message that they would like me, just before I was shot... | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
..to have a little half smile on my face. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
And I said to Lewis, "I can't. I absolutely can't." | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
It was so ludicrous to me to have been asked to do that | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
and then he, thank God, absolutely understood | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
what I meant. So I didn't have to smile. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
Fire! | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
GUNFIRE CONTINUES | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
Carve Her Name With Pride was unusual for | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
focusing on a female character's war experiences. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
In 1958, I benefited from another prominent female role. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
A wartime nurse, sister Diana Murdoch, in Ice Cold In Alex, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
now considered one of the most important films of the period. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
It tells the story of a dangerous trek across the desert | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
by a small band trying to reach the safety | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
of the British base in Alexandria. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
It was shot over several gruelling but unforgettable weeks in Libya. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
The days were boiling, the nights were freezing, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
and the wind blew sand everywhere. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
The film's most famous scene of all comes at the climax, when we've | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
reached Alex, and we've reached the ice-cold lager that's been | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
Captain Anson's incentive throughout the punishing journey. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
We had to use real lager, as no imitation had the right look. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:11 | |
And John Mills was the only one of us | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
who could glug the whole glass down in one. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
Worth waiting for. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Ice Cold In Alex was a success everywhere, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
even winning one of the top prizes at the 1958 Berlin Film Festival. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Looking back on it today, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
one of the most interesting features is its sympathetic portrayal | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
of one of the enemy - very unusual for British films both then and now. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:47 | |
Anthony Quayle's character, Van der Poel, is discovered to be | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
a German spy. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
But despite that revelation, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
a growing respect develops between him and Captain Anson. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
One key scene shows Anson rescuing Van der Poel | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
when he gets caught in quicksand. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
This was actually shot at Elstree Studios rather than the desert. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
But the sludge was an awful mixture | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
made by the effects team, and when | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
it came to filming, it was so cold | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
that ice had formed on the top of it. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
Poor Anthony Quayle. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
If that wasn't bad enough, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
his character had to wear very short shorts. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
And of course, that wasn't the only flesh on display. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
The film includes a love scene between my character | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
and Captain Anson that made headlines | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
and had to be re-shot after protests from the censors. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
I had this tremendous romance, big scene, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
didn't I, with Sylvia Syms? And think how things have changed. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
I mean, we were rolling about in the sand and I think it was Lee Thompson | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
said, "You know, well, it's a good scene, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
"a quite passionate scene." | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
He said to Sylvia Syms, "Why don't you undo two buttons on your shirt?" | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
So she said, "OK," so she undid them. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
And I think that didn't get through. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
I think it was too much that two buttons were undone | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
and only open about down to here. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
-So it's changed slightly, hasn't it? -A little bit. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Actually, looking at stills, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
-it's a little more than two buttons as well. -Is it? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
But, nevertheless, the point is taken. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Maybe the stills... Sneaked the stills through. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
I think you don't understand women. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
I don't. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
She'll know what she wants. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
It's poor. Nothing you do will make the slightest difference. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
It's you. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
I think you should know by now. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
And I thought we rolled around rather well in Ice Cold In Alex | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
and it was too daring and it was cut out. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
And that was the only really sort of violently exciting love scene | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
I've ever had. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
What were my memories of the scene? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Well, it was very uncomfortable, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
and the sand got everywhere. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
The 1960s saw more successful war films, of course, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
like The Great Escape and The Longest Day, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
but generally, audiences tastes were moving on. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
Rather as the Western was falling out of favour in America, | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
so here in Britain we were making fewer war films. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
But the influence of those that we made in the 1940s | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
and '50s extend to present-day filmmaking. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
The Dam Busters dogfight scenes were used as a template by | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
George Lucas for the space battles in the original Star Wars film. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
And Steven Spielberg was hugely aware of the films made | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
here in Britain when he was directing Saving Private Ryan, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
which was praised for its realistic depiction of the D-Day landings. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
Oh, yes. Here he is talking to Mark Cousins about the film in 1998. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:43 | |
Could you tell me some of the more unusual things that you did with | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
camera and sound in order to effect this shellshock in the audience? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
I did a lot of things like de-saturate the colour. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
The film is in colour but the film is very faded, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
so the film looks authentically period, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
it looks like a 1940s colour picture | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
would have looked 50 or 54 years later. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
I shot with a 45- and 90-degree camera shutter. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
What that does is it de-glamorises sequences by getting | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
rid of all out-of-focus blurring. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
Often, when somebody runs through frame it's kind of beautiful | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
because they kind of streak and they blur. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
Not every frame is in focus. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
If you look at every frame one at a time | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
on a film you see that only several frames are in focus. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
Most of it's out of focus. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
When you shoot with a 45-degree shutter, every single frame, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
24 frames per second, is in focus, which means that that, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
coupled with my vibrating camera, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
I had a vibrating lens called a shaker lens | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
on top of our other lenses, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
and I could press a button electrically and create a shake in | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
the lens and take my finger off the button and the shaking would stop. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
All those things made the film nervous to look at, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
which is exactly the kind of fear that the soldiers were | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
feeling inside of themselves. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
All I can do here is die. Covering fire. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
Were you aiming to be more brutal than anything that went before? | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
Well, that's not really for me to say. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
That wasn't my original intention, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
just to be brutal for brutality's sake. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
I wasn't trying to do that. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
I was simply trying to show war like it was, and like it is. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
And like I said before, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
I've read a lot of testimonies from veterans of that war | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
and seen documentaries and talked to them in person | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
and they all said, "There were two wars fought - there was our war, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
"and there was Hollywood's war. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
"Can you find it in your heart to tell the story of our war?" | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
And when they said that to me, I was an instant convert. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
I said, "Yes, I will tell the story of your war. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
"I'll try to be as conventional to your experience and unconventional, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
"therefore, to the American Hollywood experience | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
"as I possibly can be," | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
and sure, there's all sorts of conventionality throughout | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
part of my movie, but I try to be as conventional to a real-life war | 0:42:56 | 0:43:02 | |
as I possibly could be. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
All the films we've examined in this programme share that same ambition, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
to reflect the reality of war. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
It's one of the reasons we always value them, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
with their heroes personifying courage, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
starring actors who lived through the fighting themselves. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
They are stirring tales | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
that touched everybody at the time, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
and patriotic reminders of how pulling together can | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
result in victory. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
No wonder they still resonate with us so strongly...even today. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 |