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Lord Digby Jones is a champion of British business.

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British manufacturing's got so much to be proud of.

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We make furniture. We make shoes.

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We make high-performance motorcars.

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We make volume motorcars. We sell them around the world.

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But it's a constant battle to keep one step ahead of our global rivals.

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Manufacturing at the right product,

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in the right market, at the right time - it matters enormously.

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To survive, British firms will have to be at the top of their game.

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You're not trying to say, "I'm the cheapest."

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You're trying to say, "I'm the best."

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Now, that is what manufacturing in the UK in the 21st century is about.

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And Digby's determined to play his part.

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In a career that's taken him from his parents' corner shop

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to the House of Lords,

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he's helped transform some iconic British companies.

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Now, in a new challenge, can he help three ambitious companies

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from the worlds of furniture, fashion and electronics to succeed?

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We don't do cheap any more. We can't!

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We actually do quality, brand and innovation.

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That's what's going to make the profit that pays the tax

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that builds the schools and hospitals.

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He's demanded access all areas...

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-Wow! This is pretty big!

-Yes.

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..and he's not afraid to ask the tough questions.

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What part of this do you not understand?

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Ding-dong! Alarm!

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Tonight, Digby Jones tries to help one company

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take a radical change in direction.

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They're doing this on gut instinct.

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It's going to call for nerves of steel...

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-Scary!

-It's exciting!

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..and everyone's agreement on priorities.

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-I don't think that's necessarily important to us.

-Prove it to me.

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SHE CLEARS HER THROAT

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Can the company's ambitious plans be kept on course by Digby Jones...

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..the new trouble-shooter?

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Someday, some way, I'm going to have a Servis fully automatic.

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British electrical brands were once portrayed in adverts

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as the ultimate in domestic chic.

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Today, it's rival imported brands that sell us

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short cuts to sophistication.

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Now, one company is taking the biggest gamble in its history

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with a plan to get British-made white goods back into British homes.

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This is Ebac in County Durham, northeast England.

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They make water coolers and dehumidifiers...

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and they're very good at it.

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This is the managing director, Pamela Petty.

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The buzz I get is in this factory, seeing that line there,

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filled with product and people working.

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I think it's brilliant.

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Her dad, John, is the founder and chairman

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and sister Amanda is manufacturing director,

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but there's more to this family than making water coolers.

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'This is John Elliot, signing away his personal fortune.'

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In 2012, chairman John turned the company into a foundation,

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meaning all profits had to be put back into the business

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or go to local community projects.

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The change also deprived Pam of a possible

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multimillion pound inheritance.

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I've given up my inheritance, but I'm a big girl.

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I can earn my living.

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So I was more than happy, actually, to go ahead with it,

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for what it means to everybody.

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In fact, Pam's pushing it even further.

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She's taking an extraordinary gamble that could help create 200 jobs,

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increase turnover from 15 to 50 million,

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or plunge the company into the red.

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Almost on impulse, and with only a basic business plan,

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Pam's spent £1 million on this...

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..a business that's gone into administration twice in ten years.

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Pam's bought the Norfrost chest freezer brand

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and a factory-load of equipment

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after company that owned it went bust.

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She plans to move the entire set-up from its base near John o'Groats

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over 400 miles south, to County Durham.

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This lovely chest freezer's going to create lots of jobs.

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Pam's ambitious plan to lead Ebac to unprecedented growth

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rests on resurrecting this frozen freezer brand.

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So, she's asked for Digby's help

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to overcome the many obstacles in her path.

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This is the first time I've ever been involved

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in something of this scale.

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The company must absorb the shock

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of only operating in a niche market it dominates,

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to also fighting in the huge domestic electrical goods sector.

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The old production line must be modernised

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to make freezers more efficiently.

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And she has to persuade the public to abandon the foreign brands

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they already trust and buy her freezers.

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Pam's hoping to be stocked in shops by Christmas

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in just six weeks' time.

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Diversifying into new products is one way

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for British manufacturers to compete in the global market.

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In an attempt to ensure Ebac's expansion succeeds,

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Pam's called on Digby's help.

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'Hello.'

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-Hello, Pamela. It's Digby Jones.

-'Good morning. How are you?'

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Good morning. I'm very well and I'm very excited, actually...

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Digby is a passionate supporter of British manufacturing.

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In the 1970s,

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manufacturing contributed to 30% of the country's wealth.

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Now, it's around 10%.

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He believes helping Pam pull off her plan

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could benefit the entire region.

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We're on the way to Ebac. It's in Newton Aycliffe,

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right in the northeast of England, almost into Scotland, not quite,

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and a region that's had its enormous challenges over the past few years.

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The demise of ship building, coal, steel, all the commodity stuff,

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where you had lots and lots of unskilled labour

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but guaranteed a job.

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And, of course, now that's all gone and how do you get a region

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to create wealth, employ people and succeed and have the morale up?

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It'll be interesting to see how they deal with that.

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Pam's diversification from a core business

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into a new sector, white goods, is risky.

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Some companies, like Virgin,

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who diversified from music to an airline, make millions,

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but bad diversification decisions can ruin companies too.

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So, Pam can be sure of one thing - Digby won't be pulling his punches.

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Coming in to work this morning,

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I think I actually took a conscious decision.

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Just, you know it, girl,

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when he comes in, he's going to ask you some questions

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and just answer them.

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Will he start gently or go straight for the jugular?

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-Hello!

-Hello.

-I'm Digby.

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-Good morning to you.

-And to you.

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-I've just been sampling one of yours.

-And?

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I thought... Oh, it's fine. The water's great.

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No, no, no. It all worked really well.

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Digby wants to know if Pam can make freezers

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and if she can sell freezers.

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But first, he wants a feel for how she runs her existing business.

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-Oh, you can smell the manufacturing.

-Yes, I love it.

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-It's making things.

-Yeah, making things, seeing things happen.

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The spine of any factory is its production line.

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It's crucial Digby thinks this is in good order.

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So, the products that we currently make, we make them all here.

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All of the dehumidifiers

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and all of the water coolers all come down this production track.

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Pretty much, in my view, everybody that works in this factory

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is here to serve this production line.

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So, they're here to make sure the materials are here on time,

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and their responsibility is to make sure

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that one comes off the end - the line doesn't stop.

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The factory makes 100,000 units a year,

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selling in 43 overseas markets,

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but does that expertise translate to making chest freezers?

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-Right. So, this is the...

-Engineering workshop.

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This is where we'll test things out, try different products.

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-Right.

-These are the products that we already make

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and probably the key thing with these is that they work in the same way.

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There's the compressor. We've got the same set-up in here.

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Slightly different type of compressor.

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And so this is dehumidifier?

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These are dehumidifiers, with their outers taken off.

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-This is a water cooler...

-This is a water cooler.

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..with a compressor again. We move on to the chest freezers.

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So, we've got one here. That's exactly the same.

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One of the key things with a chest freezer,

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that most people probably won't realise,

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-is we don't put cold into a chest freezer. We take heat out...

-Yeah.

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..until it gets really, really cold and freezes things.

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So, you just keep taking the temperature out.

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So, the concept is much the same as what we've been doing down there.

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Exactly the same as those. So, that technology is right up our street.

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But in business, understanding the technology is just the start.

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If Pam's new freezer factory is to compete with powerful, established

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overseas operations, it's important her plant is as good as it can be.

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Here we go. We're off to the...

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-Yes, let's go look at...

-The new factory.

-..what we've started.

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Ebac has invested nearly £3 million

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just to get the site operational, which is money going out

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of the business before any coming in.

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-So, this is it?

-Yes, this is it.

-Looks like a set off The Sweeney.

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SHE LAUGHS

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-Wow! This is pretty big!

-Yes.

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Hello, hello, hello...

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-So, you've taken a lease of the whole lot.

-Yeah.

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So, your vision is that this will eventually become freezer kingdom.

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Yes. Yeah. Fridges and freezers.

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Until there's money being earned from freezers,

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the company has to find £3,000 a day to cover running costs

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including rent and wages.

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What is your time frame for having your first freezer out of that door?

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First freezer out of that door, that could be in four weeks' time,

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four to six weeks' time, we're able to hit the button

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and start making chest freezers.

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A poor factory layout will affect future profits.

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And with the clock ticking to launch,

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Digby wants to meet the staff in charge of setting up.

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-John.

-How are you?

-Thanks for giving me some time. Digby Jones.

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-And Jeff's here.

-There you are, Jeff.

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So, you're the guy who's been pushing all this,

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-making sure it all is in the right layout.

-Yeah.

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And you're the one who's going to get the freezers out the door.

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Hopefully, yes.

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What's the big, big challenge that you're having a problem with?

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The biggest one is probably to get it up and running.

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With a six-week deadline looming, Digby's already sensing problems.

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How you lay it out at the start is one of the key movers

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to getting productivity out of your facility.

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You get more efficiency.

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You two right now are making an investment of your talent

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and your time, the rewards of which will be reaped

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in five, ten years' time.

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Digby's worry about the production line ties into his next concern -

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selling the freezers.

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Considering Britain imports nearly £2 billion-worth

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of white goods a year, how does Pam plan to get a share in a market

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dominated by powerful foreign companies?

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-Jo, yeah?

-Yes, it is.

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Product manager Joanne Vipond needs to have some answers.

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-You're moving into freezers.

-Mm-hm.

-Everybody makes freezers.

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They do indeed.

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Big, big companies, multinational businesses make freezers.

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How is, with respect, little Ebac going to take those people on

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in getting their product to market?

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One of the biggest things we're spending most of our time on

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is creating a brand website for Norfrost

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and really getting out there the brand name,

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telling them all about Norfrost,

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who they are, how we're going to now take this and move it forward.

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And presumably at some point, you're going to have to work out

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who's your normal customer.

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-Yeah.

-Male, female, what age.

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Market research for that. Get some surveys out there as well.

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-What economic bracket and all of that.

-Yeah.

-Will you be doing that?

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-Yeah, we'll have to.

-When?

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I would say it's going to be within the year.

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-Um...

-But how do you know that you're pitching that website

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at the ideal customer if you don't know who your ideal customer is?

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-We don't.

-Right.

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-So, what are you going to do about it?

-Do the research.

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Some challenges.

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I don't think they're on the marketing piece enough.

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I really want them to major on that.

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I am concerned about the fact that

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they don't know what sort of person's

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going to buy a chest freezer.

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A lot of work to be done there and quickly.

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They've set themselves a very, very tight time schedule

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to get all the stuff down from Scotland,

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get it well installed, get the first one out.

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Tough call, but on the other hand, they are a class act.

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Digby's revolution starts here.

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But he has to work quickly.

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With just six weeks to get freezers in shops for Christmas,

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the marketing strategy needs sharpening

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and Pam's team needs a masterclass in production-line efficiency.

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We've come to one of the great places

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of modern championing British manufacturing.

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This is the most productive car plant in Europe

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and one of the top two or three in the world.

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525,000 cars come out of here every year -

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one every 37 seconds.

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80% of them are exported away from our shores.

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You think of the overseas currency that's earning for our nation.

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That's what is so special about Britain

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as a home for inward investment and a home for generating wealth.

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British manufacturing needs firms like Ebac to adopt the most

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competitive production methods.

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Today, Pam's got a chance to learn from a world leader.

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Absolutely massive plant...

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but one day,

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perhaps, we'll have something this size - an appliance city,

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just like we've got a car city here.

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Well, good morning.

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Digby wants Pam to learn new production methods for her factory.

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Every robot and every worker in this factory is constantly

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monitored to ensure they work to maximum efficiency.

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The key is, it's the staff themselves who do it.

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It's a little-known Japanese technique called kaizen.

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One of the secrets to the way in which these cars

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are so productively made has been kaizen,

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the Japanese philosophy of constant, continuous improvement

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in what you do, and I'm particularly impressed with this seat.

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Because they had this idea, didn't they?

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We came up with the idea to improve things for the operator,

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because we're getting injuries,

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discomfort through the way that they did the job previously.

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So, by putting these seat shuttles in,

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the operator can now get inside the car,

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his parts, his tools and everything goes in with him,

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so it increases efficiency, as well as...

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-DRILLING DROWNS SPEECH

-It kills two birds with one stone.

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And are the guys themselves involved in...?

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Very much, yeah. They're building 500 cars a day.

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They know best where things should be,

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what's the best way for them to have it.

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Kaizen empowers workers to instigate improvements

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to their production line.

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It seems everybody here gets involved and I keep asking,

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"Do they do this? Do they do that?"

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You're not forcing people to be involved

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but, actually, they want to be involved.

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It's improving their lot.

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But if we look at it at a higher level, this is a business making

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cars to sell in a competitive environment,

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and we maintain our job security by being competitive.

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So, what can small British businesses

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learn from multinational corporations?

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The great destroyers of productivity is a human being having to walk

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around, and if he's walking over there with something in his hand,

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he's going to walk back empty-handed,

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so that's waste - wasted time, wasted effort.

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So, what you do is you cut a second, just work on cutting a second

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out of how long it takes somebody to do something, because you ask them

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to do it in a different way or go a different route, or don't go

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at all, because something else is going to happen.

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You multiply that second by a business as big as this,

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we are talking millions of pounds a year of saved money.

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Thank you, Richard. I'm sure I'll be in touch.

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Thank you, Pamela. All the best.

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-Bye-bye.

-Bye-bye.

-Well done.

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'Amazing, actually, seeing something like that.'

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What I keep linking is...

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Half a million cars - in three years' time, we could be making

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half a million appliances.

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-And that is kind of like a bit, "whoa".

-Scary. Scary.

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-It's exciting. It's not scary.

-Exciting.

-It's exciting.

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I want two or three killer conclusions from today

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that what gets measured gets done, so what have you learnt,

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and what are you going to do differently?

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Before Pam's project can even try to apply the principles of kaizen,

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her team have to ship 1,000 tonnes of production kit

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and 6,000 existing freezers over 400 miles

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from the site near John o'Groats to County Durham.

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Do you know what he's dropping off, Darren?

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As Pam's team prepare the factory floor...

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-All right?

-..back in Scotland, former Norfrost workers

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are stripping their old factory to its bare bones.

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It's... It's sad to see it sitting in the state it is,

0:22:160:22:19

because everything just seems to have gone downhill really fast.

0:22:190:22:23

Buried inside the story of Norfrost's rise and fall

0:22:300:22:33

is a cautionary tale for British companies hoping to compete

0:22:330:22:37

in today's white goods sector.

0:22:370:22:39

In its '80s heyday,

0:22:400:22:42

Norfrost epitomised white goods manufacturing in Britain.

0:22:420:22:47

Its success was based on a simple formula -

0:22:470:22:50

quality goods at affordable prices.

0:22:500:22:54

At its peak, it made 12,000 units a week

0:22:540:22:58

and had Coca-Cola and Mars as customers.

0:22:580:23:01

You have the advertisement for the Coca-Cola freezers that they used to

0:23:010:23:04

make for the Olympics.

0:23:040:23:07

It was a big contract to have - an Olympic freezer,

0:23:070:23:10

to go out and to bring Norfrost into the limelight.

0:23:100:23:14

But across the white goods sector, foreign brands,

0:23:150:23:18

either made here or imported, came to dominate the market,

0:23:180:23:22

with names including Beko from Turkey and Indesit from Italy

0:23:220:23:27

leading the way.

0:23:270:23:28

When white goods retailer Comet went into administration in 2012,

0:23:300:23:35

Norfrost soon followed.

0:23:350:23:37

Like many British companies, Pam runs a business that can't

0:23:390:23:43

compete on price with cheaper imports.

0:23:430:23:45

So, she has to think of a new unique selling point, or USP,

0:23:450:23:50

to create consumer demand. This will encourage

0:23:500:23:54

her customers - the retailers - to stock her product.

0:23:540:23:57

Digby believes the answer lies in knowing what consumers want.

0:23:570:24:02

The problem is, Pam doesn't agree.

0:24:020:24:05

Fundamentally, because we've always said

0:24:050:24:08

that we're going to take what Norfrost did

0:24:080:24:10

and pick that up and replicate it, we haven't paid much attention

0:24:100:24:16

to the market research, the quite specific, detailed market research

0:24:160:24:22

of what consumers want.

0:24:220:24:24

Rightly or wrongly, we've taken that what Norfrost were doing was right,

0:24:250:24:30

because they were selling tens of thousands of chest freezers.

0:24:300:24:33

But Pam's marketing strategy is based on Norfrost's,

0:24:360:24:40

and Digby's insisting Pam and Jo need new consumer research

0:24:400:24:45

to create fresh demand for the freezers.

0:24:450:24:48

With just five weeks to the launch,

0:24:500:24:52

he's returning to see if they've done it.

0:24:520:24:55

-Now, last time, I gave you a challenge, didn't I?

-You did.

0:25:020:25:06

-All right.

-We've looked down the avenue of market research, consumer

0:25:060:25:10

market research, and I think, you know, we hadn't done that

0:25:100:25:13

for a particular reason, and we hadn't done it.

0:25:130:25:15

And we may do it in the future, but we already know,

0:25:150:25:20

at this present time, who we're going to sell to.

0:25:200:25:22

How do you know that?

0:25:220:25:23

Because it's a current Norfrost brand customer.

0:25:230:25:25

There is already a market out there,

0:25:250:25:27

and we just literally want to take that market back.

0:25:270:25:30

Jo and Pam are confident consumers already exist

0:25:350:25:38

and will return to the brand when the freezers launch.

0:25:380:25:42

But if Pam doesn't don't know what consumers want,

0:25:420:25:46

how can she be sure they'll buy her freezers?

0:25:460:25:48

The whole issue of this was...

0:25:480:25:50

You say they're a Norfrost customer -

0:25:500:25:52

fine, but what do they look like?

0:25:520:25:53

And I think right now...

0:25:530:25:55

I don't think that's necessarily important to us.

0:25:550:25:57

So, how do you go to market if you don't know that?

0:25:570:26:00

Because we know what they value.

0:26:000:26:02

Things... People love to shout about what they like about the product,

0:26:020:26:06

and if you read a review, people tend to say, "It does exactly

0:26:060:26:09

"what you need it to do - it's a freezer, and that's what we wanted."

0:26:090:26:12

We're reasonably satisfied that there are Norfrost people

0:26:120:26:18

out there, people who want to buy Norfrost chest freezers.

0:26:180:26:20

What I'm asking you is, prove it to me.

0:26:200:26:23

Prove it to me.

0:26:240:26:25

Will Pam come clean and tell Digby she thinks he's wrong?

0:26:270:26:31

The one thing that really was clear to me when you were here last time

0:26:310:26:36

was that we've kind of taken our focus off how we are going to sell,

0:26:360:26:39

and we talked about different ways to achieve that,

0:26:390:26:42

and then we said, "Right, what will we do differently

0:26:420:26:45

"once we've got that information?"

0:26:450:26:46

And in terms of taking this product to market, we said,

0:26:460:26:49

"Actually, probably nothing."

0:26:490:26:50

Economic reality is staring Pam in the face.

0:26:520:26:57

There's five weeks to launch.

0:26:580:27:01

Established brands dominate the market.

0:27:010:27:04

And she doesn't have a retail stockist yet.

0:27:050:27:09

Is her current plan fast-tracking her to failure?

0:27:090:27:13

Earlier, Digby sent the team to learn about kaizen -

0:27:160:27:19

a Japanese system that empowers workers to initiate improvements

0:27:190:27:24

to their production line.

0:27:240:27:26

Well, good morning, good morning. This is a little bit different...

0:27:260:27:31

Now he wants to see if they've decided to implement

0:27:310:27:34

what they learnt.

0:27:340:27:36

This is a couple of press tools that actually form the lids.

0:27:360:27:41

Jeff's showing Digby a press that will make freezer lids.

0:27:410:27:44

This is what we call the hinge plate.

0:27:440:27:47

It goes into here and is made on this press here.

0:27:470:27:50

These two presses were in a press shop

0:27:500:27:52

which was 100 yards away from the main lines,

0:27:520:27:55

and then they transported the parts...

0:27:550:27:57

So, you've brought this from Scotland, and this action -

0:27:570:28:01

-dum, dum, to there - was 100 yards in Scotland.

-100 yards, yeah.

0:28:010:28:06

In Nissan, it would have been 3ft, wouldn't it?

0:28:060:28:09

-And because this is brand-new for us...

-Brand-new layout, yeah.

0:28:090:28:13

-..you can design it to take cost out of the business.

-Exactly.

-Exactly.

0:28:130:28:17

Digby's involvement in the production line set-up

0:28:190:28:22

is paying dividends.

0:28:220:28:24

But with just three weeks to the launch,

0:28:260:28:29

up at the old factory near John o'Groats,

0:28:290:28:32

there's an unexpected problem.

0:28:320:28:33

METALLIC CLATTERING

0:28:330:28:35

While dismantling a crucial piece of kit, asbestos has been found,

0:28:380:28:42

and until it's safely removed, the kit can't leave the site.

0:28:420:28:47

The kit Pam needs is called foaming equipment.

0:28:530:28:57

It's made up of three parts -

0:28:570:29:00

huge tunnels that hold freezers in place,

0:29:000:29:05

these industrial guns that fire insulating foam into the freezers,

0:29:050:29:11

and tanks that store the chemicals mixed to make the foam.

0:29:110:29:15

It's the foaming process that keeps freezers cold,

0:29:170:29:21

and without this kit, Pam can't make freezers.

0:29:210:29:25

The freezer launch is now hanging by a thread.

0:29:290:29:32

Jeff, so where are we at with the foaming tunnels?

0:29:320:29:34

-Up in Scotland?

-The asbestos will be removed on the 7th of December...

0:29:340:29:39

Pam's sister, manufacturing director Amanda,

0:29:390:29:42

is heading a meeting to plan the next move.

0:29:420:29:45

And that's going to us a week to take that out?

0:29:450:29:47

Two weeks. Two weeks to take it down, and maybe a week to get

0:29:470:29:50

down here, so probably no longer than three weeks.

0:29:500:29:52

Not only are the foamers quarantined,

0:29:520:29:55

the team don't know if the foam-mixing tanks actually work.

0:29:550:29:59

If we get these down, Amanda, and it fails,

0:29:590:30:02

then we're looking for a new one as backup, aren't we?

0:30:020:30:05

Well, that's another problem that we've got, isn't it?

0:30:050:30:09

The team has to choose between buying new kit

0:30:090:30:13

or gambling on the old kit working when it arrives.

0:30:130:30:16

Either way, there's a three-month wait.

0:30:180:30:20

The Christmas launch is off.

0:30:210:30:24

So, who's going to tell Pam?

0:30:250:30:28

I'll get her drunk first.

0:30:280:30:29

So, what date is it now?

0:30:350:30:38

-It's...

-Production start?

0:30:400:30:42

Well, we've said 18 weeks from now.

0:30:420:30:45

-Right.

-It's disappointing,

0:30:450:30:47

but I think it does give us a better control, but we are where we are.

0:30:470:30:51

Right.

0:30:530:30:55

Good stuff. I need a date. I want to put it up on the board.

0:30:550:30:58

The mission to create 200 jobs in the region by reviving a dormant

0:31:040:31:08

brand is on hold until the new kit arrives.

0:31:080:31:12

The sisters are taking stock before Digby's next visit.

0:31:120:31:15

I think that our whole project planning was naive

0:31:190:31:21

right from the beginning. On hindsight, there was no way

0:31:210:31:24

we were going to be able to move, physically,

0:31:240:31:26

all of the manufacturing plant in the time that we had.

0:31:260:31:29

Probably didn't give too much thought at that stage on,

0:31:290:31:32

how are we going to pull this whole thing off?

0:31:320:31:34

For one thing, we hadn't actually seen the equipment.

0:31:340:31:40

We'd seen some photographs of it and we'd seen some specifications.

0:31:400:31:43

Digby's driving north to advise Pam on the next move.

0:31:470:31:51

I hope he doesn't ask me too many challenging questions.

0:31:550:31:57

A couple of weeks ago, Pam said to me that in eight weeks' time,

0:32:040:32:09

she would have this all ready to rock'n'roll.

0:32:090:32:12

I've now heard that they've got big issues with their foam-mixing plant.

0:32:120:32:16

So, there's a few things I want to know. Firstly, how did this happen?

0:32:160:32:20

I mean, did they get up to Scotland and did they look at this plant,

0:32:200:32:24

properly inspect it, have it surveyed, see if it's fit for purpose?

0:32:240:32:28

Every day this is delayed, that's more money lost for ever.

0:32:280:32:32

We can't have that. I'm going to find out why.

0:32:320:32:34

It's taken Pam's team nine months after agreeing the deal

0:32:370:32:41

to check if the kit they bought works.

0:32:410:32:44

Why has this basic error occurred?

0:32:440:32:47

How much did you pay for this business?

0:32:470:32:49

All in all, just over a million.

0:32:490:32:51

So, you're going to part with a million quid...

0:32:510:32:53

Including the stock. There's a...

0:32:530:32:55

Right. So, how much would you apportion for these machines?

0:32:550:32:59

-About a quarter of it.

-Right.

0:32:590:33:00

So, you're going to pay a quarter of a million pounds for some gear

0:33:000:33:04

that you're not certain is going to survive the journey

0:33:040:33:07

-in an operational way?

-Yeah.

0:33:070:33:08

And you didn't bother to go and find out if someone could tell you

0:33:080:33:12

whether it would or not?

0:33:120:33:14

No.

0:33:140:33:16

Hand.

0:33:180:33:19

Dear me!

0:33:210:33:22

DIGBY STUTTERS

0:33:220:33:24

Digby's blaming production, but is that right?

0:33:240:33:27

Was it a resource issue?

0:33:270:33:29

Were you so busy that you didn't think of it?

0:33:290:33:32

-Well, I did think about it, but...

-Did you scream it from the rooftops?

0:33:320:33:36

No, I didn't. Probably should have.

0:33:360:33:39

I probably should have made my thoughts more sort of louder...

0:33:390:33:43

Does Jeff's admission point to communication issues

0:33:430:33:46

caused by the company's family structure?

0:33:460:33:49

Do you think there's anybody here

0:33:490:33:50

who thinks, "I'm just going to leave it to her?"

0:33:500:33:53

Erm..

0:33:530:33:56

-No.

-Sure?

0:33:560:33:57

-No, I...

-Cos the one issue, especially with family owners...

0:33:590:34:04

How do you enable an environment in which they know

0:34:040:34:09

they can't leave it to you?

0:34:090:34:11

I'd like to think that we do have that kind of environment.

0:34:110:34:14

Whether this could have come out sooner if we had had

0:34:140:34:17

more of an environment, but I think it's...

0:34:170:34:19

-I think that's where I'm taking you.

-Yeah.

0:34:190:34:21

-Could this issue have been, ding-dong, alarm...

-Yeah.

0:34:210:34:25

Weeks earlier, if you had an environment where people

0:34:250:34:29

felt more empowered to do so?

0:34:290:34:30

I think people are empowered and do it with a passion

0:34:300:34:33

-and do it with a drive.

-Challenge you?

-Erm...yes.

0:34:330:34:37

-Yeah, definitely challenge me.

-Tell you you're wrong?

0:34:370:34:40

Yeah.

0:34:400:34:41

-Which obviously isn't very often.

-Oh, quite!

0:34:410:34:45

Is Pam willing to reform Ebac's family structure to help expansion?

0:34:460:34:50

One of the challenges of family businesses is,

0:34:500:34:54

how do you accommodate growth?

0:34:540:34:57

Because it can't all be managed by the family,

0:34:570:35:00

and at some point, you have to have

0:35:000:35:02

very senior positions brought in from outside.

0:35:020:35:04

Big answer today was they fessed up, they faced up,

0:35:070:35:12

they analysed it, and they're dealing with it.

0:35:120:35:15

I think they need to get some more people and quite quickly,

0:35:150:35:18

but good people, and they've now got to really deliver.

0:35:180:35:21

Big stuff in there for the next few weeks.

0:35:210:35:25

Digby's first appraisal of Pam's project was that she had to focus

0:35:260:35:31

on marketing the freezers

0:35:310:35:32

and building an efficient production line.

0:35:320:35:35

Now he's discovered a deeper issue the company must address

0:35:360:35:40

as it expands.

0:35:400:35:41

It's a problem many family companies face -

0:35:450:35:48

how to nurture a professional team

0:35:480:35:51

within a pre-existing family hierarchy.

0:35:510:35:54

He's sent Pam and sister Amanda to Bolton, Lancashire,

0:35:590:36:02

the home town of family bakers Warburtons,

0:36:020:36:05

to get ideas on giving non-family members real power in the company.

0:36:050:36:11

We can smell the bread already, so my tummy's rumbling anyway.

0:36:110:36:15

One family has run this company for five generations.

0:36:190:36:23

-Hello, Dad.

-Why don't you just say...?

0:36:260:36:28

Since current boss Jonathan took over from his father in 1991,

0:36:280:36:32

it's been his signature on every loaf.

0:36:320:36:36

Like Pam and Amanda,

0:36:420:36:43

he grew up living in his family's business.

0:36:430:36:47

I've been coming in here for 50 years.

0:36:520:36:55

My sister and I used to have judo lessons in the flour room.

0:36:550:36:58

I don't think health and safety would let us do that now.

0:36:580:37:01

Like Pam and Amanda,

0:37:020:37:04

his passion for his product pushes him to innovate.

0:37:040:37:08

You'll see it has four different pieces,

0:37:080:37:10

and then it goes through a series of cutters,

0:37:100:37:13

which turns, basically, one and three, and two and four...

0:37:130:37:18

around against each other, and that affects the mouth feel and the eat.

0:37:180:37:22

Unlike Pam and Amanda, he knows a business secret

0:37:260:37:30

that has helped his company grow into a household name.

0:37:300:37:33

-Yes, thanks, Jonathan.

-Very welcome.

0:37:350:37:37

That was really interesting to see that.

0:37:370:37:39

It's now up to the sisters to listen to his frank advice.

0:37:390:37:43

One of the things you have to remember is that this business,

0:37:430:37:46

on a day-to-day basis, is run by professionals.

0:37:460:37:48

It's too big a business for us to do it and, quite frankly,

0:37:480:37:52

we've had 30 years at it,

0:37:520:37:53

and we've got an excellent of team senior managers.

0:37:530:37:56

And how was that process?

0:37:560:37:58

Because as you grow, your structure has to change.

0:37:580:38:01

We know that we have to make some changes

0:38:010:38:03

to that middle management and senior management structure,

0:38:030:38:06

and it's kind of hard to let go.

0:38:060:38:08

It is, but if I could give you one little piece of advice,

0:38:080:38:12

is surround yourself with people who are better than you.

0:38:120:38:15

-Just don't tell them.

-Yeah!

0:38:150:38:18

My dad was never a great advice-giver,

0:38:180:38:22

but that's one of the things he said -

0:38:220:38:23

make sure you surround yourself with people who are better.

0:38:230:38:27

Now, to run an organisation like this, that's a big ship to steer,

0:38:270:38:31

and so there's got to be a captain, there's got to be somebody in charge.

0:38:310:38:36

Yeah, I mean, I think that you have to have...

0:38:360:38:40

Inevitably, a business our size, you have to at some stage realise

0:38:400:38:43

that you are just a small cog in it.

0:38:430:38:45

-Yes.

-And you have to let the quality people run the business

0:38:450:38:50

on a day-to-day basis, and it's a bit back to my point,

0:38:500:38:53

you know - they know who owns the business.

0:38:530:38:55

You can afford to employ people who are better than you,

0:38:550:38:58

because they're not going to do you out of a job,

0:38:580:39:00

and in which case, common sense says,

0:39:000:39:02

well, why wouldn't I seek the very best?

0:39:020:39:04

The biggest tip for me from Jonathan was when he said about

0:39:090:39:14

recruiting people who are better than you. You kind of think,

0:39:140:39:17

"That can't be right," but actually, it makes complete sense.

0:39:170:39:19

We can't do it with the structure that we have, so we've got to

0:39:190:39:22

bring in new talent and make sure that we get the best from them,

0:39:220:39:25

and bring in the best of the best.

0:39:250:39:27

Will Pam and Amanda take the advice and hire,

0:39:310:39:34

and then give non-family members

0:39:340:39:36

the power to make meaningful decisions in the company?

0:39:360:39:40

With the freezer launch on hold until the new kit arrives,

0:39:440:39:48

Digby's trying to turn the delay to Pam's advantage.

0:39:480:39:50

So far, Pam's remained steadfast.

0:39:510:39:54

She doesn't need new consumer research to sell freezers.

0:39:540:39:58

Digby's making a final attempt to change her mind.

0:39:580:40:02

We're in trendy Clerkenwell.

0:40:130:40:15

This is where creative types come to work.

0:40:150:40:18

In there is one of Britain's greatest brand experts,

0:40:180:40:23

a woman called Rita Clifton.

0:40:230:40:24

Rita has worked on brand campaigns for Yorkie,

0:40:260:40:30

British Airways and Andrex.

0:40:300:40:32

Digby's hoping her expertise will show Pam

0:40:320:40:35

it's not advisable to market a product

0:40:350:40:38

without knowing your consumer.

0:40:380:40:40

This is quite a clash of cultures, really,

0:40:400:40:42

because we've got London, the Southeast,

0:40:420:40:45

we've got this new trendiness, if you like,

0:40:450:40:49

and then we've got hard-nosed,

0:40:490:40:51

quality, common sense Northeast grit.

0:40:510:40:54

-Well, good morning, good morning.

-Good morning.

0:40:560:40:59

To make them think about what consumers want,

0:40:590:41:01

they've been asked to pitch

0:41:010:41:03

why they'd buy Norfrost freezers over the competition.

0:41:030:41:06

-Rita. Meet Pam.

-Hello.

0:41:060:41:08

-Hello, Rita.

-Meet Jo.

-Nice to meet you.

0:41:080:41:11

Digby's putting Pam's DIY marketing strategy

0:41:130:41:16

under the microscope of an industry pro.

0:41:160:41:19

And Rita's already done her homework on the company.

0:41:210:41:26

Their marketing maybe isn't as sophisticated

0:41:260:41:28

as many other competitors.

0:41:280:41:31

That hasn't necessarily been a problem

0:41:310:41:33

in the markets they've been in so far,

0:41:330:41:35

but obviously they're entering markets

0:41:350:41:37

that are much more sophisticated, much more competitive.

0:41:370:41:40

So, this is going to be a challenge for them in how they up their game.

0:41:410:41:46

So, ladies, the floor is yours.

0:41:460:41:48

So, Norfrost brand values.

0:41:490:41:51

We've got a small, little mood board here

0:41:510:41:54

just to go through these values slightly with you.

0:41:540:41:57

Good value. It's good quality,

0:41:570:41:59

it's a product that is made well and is made to last.

0:41:590:42:03

It's essentially British manufacturing at its best.

0:42:030:42:06

Reliability. You've got to have a product you can depend on.

0:42:060:42:11

Pam and Jo have pitched quality and reliability

0:42:140:42:17

as values consumers want in a freezer.

0:42:170:42:20

What's the professional's verdict?

0:42:220:42:24

You had a list of brand values there.

0:42:240:42:27

-They are a bit generic.

-Yep, they are.

0:42:270:42:29

So, value for money, reliability.

0:42:290:42:31

I don't know whether there's a consumer anxiety out there going,

0:42:310:42:34

"Oh, dear, it's going to break down."

0:42:340:42:36

I don't know if that's ever surfaced,

0:42:360:42:38

so I think doing your consumer research

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will be really, really important there.

0:42:400:42:43

In one observation, Rita's exposed how poor consumer research

0:42:440:42:49

could lead Pam to incorrectly position her product

0:42:490:42:52

in one of the most competitive markets in the UK.

0:42:520:42:55

What solutions can Rita offer?

0:42:570:42:59

If we think about the important characteristics of any strong brand,

0:42:590:43:03

number one is clarity, clarity of what you stand for,

0:43:030:43:06

and how you're different from your competitors.

0:43:060:43:09

If you can capture something about this brand

0:43:090:43:12

in a few words or phrases...

0:43:120:43:13

How do you make a chest freezer distinct?

0:43:130:43:16

Well, I'm not sure what the answer is yet,

0:43:160:43:18

but I'm damn sure you've got to really try to do that,

0:43:180:43:21

because you need a clear message about

0:43:210:43:23

how your brand is somehow different and better.

0:43:230:43:26

Secondly, in this new digital age,

0:43:260:43:27

even if don't have a big marketing budget,

0:43:270:43:30

if you've got really powerful, passionate fans...

0:43:300:43:32

-You can do a lot with it.

-..you can do an awful lot with it.

0:43:320:43:35

-Social media is made for you.

-It could well be.

0:43:350:43:38

'I was half hoping for a magic wand and a secret answer

0:43:410:43:45

'that gets you where you want to be with the brand.'

0:43:450:43:48

I do pick up the point that perhaps we're a little generic

0:43:480:43:51

-and we've got to be a little bit more specific.

-Same as everybody, aren't they?

0:43:510:43:55

I would take away from this that we need to go away

0:43:550:43:58

and do a huge brainstorming session, of the ways we can make...

0:43:580:44:01

It's a boring product, and Rita touched on that quite a lot,

0:44:010:44:05

but go away and think of the quirky things

0:44:050:44:09

that we could possibly do with this.

0:44:090:44:11

They're doing this on gut instinct.

0:44:120:44:14

Because they've been so good with dehumidifiers

0:44:140:44:16

and water coolers, they actually think they can do it again.

0:44:160:44:20

Now, maybe I'm going to be proved wrong,

0:44:200:44:23

but I think they should be going to market with more hard data,

0:44:230:44:26

so that Rita's advice on brand can link in

0:44:260:44:31

to some hard consumer data, more than gut instinct.

0:44:310:44:34

Pam isn't doing the research

0:44:400:44:42

because she thinks her brand already has loyal consumers.

0:44:420:44:45

Even if she's right, if there are no freezers in shops,

0:44:450:44:49

those consumers will look elsewhere.

0:44:490:44:52

So, they must start making freezers as soon as possible.

0:44:540:44:57

Now there's renewed hope.

0:44:590:45:01

The asbestos has been safely dealt with

0:45:010:45:03

and the foaming kit has finally arrived.

0:45:030:45:06

-These are foamers?

-These are the foamers, yeah.

0:45:070:45:10

-The infamous!

-The infamous foamers, yeah.

0:45:100:45:12

Today, Digby's back to push for a new launch date.

0:45:120:45:16

At some point, given that these have been a bit of a source of delay,

0:45:160:45:20

I'm going to come back here

0:45:200:45:23

and see a freezer coming down the old track, am I?

0:45:230:45:27

-Hopefully.

-Hello?!

0:45:270:45:29

Can I hear words like "yes"?!

0:45:290:45:32

Well, the plan tells us that we should be ready

0:45:320:45:36

to do some hundred-litre by March.

0:45:360:45:39

-Back end of March.

-That is six weeks from now.

0:45:390:45:43

I am going to come back on the March of 31st, on the day,

0:45:430:45:46

to see a freezer coming down the line,

0:45:460:45:49

-and you two guys are saying, yeah, that's on. Are you?

-Yeah. Yeah.

0:45:490:45:54

Well, good luck, chaps.

0:45:540:45:56

We're going to need it! THEY LAUGH

0:45:560:45:58

Now the freezer launch is imminent,

0:46:020:46:05

there's renewed pressure on Pam and Jo

0:46:050:46:07

to come up with that USP

0:46:070:46:09

that will create demand for Norfrost freezers.

0:46:090:46:12

It's our family giving to your family.

0:46:120:46:15

How can we help your family?

0:46:150:46:17

Inspired by Rita Clifton's advice to develop a stronger selling point

0:46:170:46:21

than reliability, Pam and Jo are planning cooking videos

0:46:210:46:26

that position their freezers as a family friend.

0:46:260:46:29

And Jo has clear ideas on getting this message out.

0:46:290:46:33

We've got to get social media working for us.

0:46:330:46:36

We've got to get blogs going, we've got to get PR working with us.

0:46:360:46:39

Because I think we could really use it,

0:46:390:46:41

and if we miss something, we could miss the whole boat with it.

0:46:410:46:45

All she has to do now is persuade Pam.

0:46:450:46:48

Getting videos on social media is...

0:46:480:46:50

-They get the biggest clickthroughs.

-Yeah.

0:46:500:46:54

You can have the recipe linked to the YouTube video.

0:46:540:46:57

You can have the recipe on the Norfrost website...

0:46:570:46:59

Do people just look through YouTube for things to look at?

0:46:590:47:02

I mean, my kids do.

0:47:020:47:04

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that tend to.

0:47:040:47:07

But what do they look for?

0:47:070:47:09

Having been advised to let others take the initiative,

0:47:090:47:11

will Pam trust Jo's internet expertise?

0:47:110:47:14

Is it maybe a good idea to just get the recipes onto the website,

0:47:140:47:19

you then start using social media to get those recipes out as well,

0:47:190:47:22

that then lifts our ranking anyway, because we're using social media

0:47:220:47:25

to get those out as well, and all that in turn

0:47:250:47:29

should generate us traffic,

0:47:290:47:30

-which should then generate us enquiries and sales.

-OK.

0:47:300:47:33

Sounds like a plan. Smashing.

0:47:330:47:35

It's a significant shift.

0:47:370:47:40

At last, Pam is letting the expertise of others

0:47:400:47:42

benefit the company.

0:47:420:47:44

When the foamers arrived,

0:47:490:47:51

John and Jeff told Digby freezers would be ready in six weeks.

0:47:510:47:55

The problem is, they don't yet know how the foaming guns work.

0:47:550:48:00

Another missed deadline will lose Ebac more consumers and more money.

0:48:020:48:06

So, Pam's sister Amanda has persuaded commercial fridge makers

0:48:060:48:11

Carter International to share freezer foaming secrets.

0:48:110:48:15

We've never used them before, we're learning as we go,

0:48:150:48:18

and it'll be nice to get some insights

0:48:180:48:21

from people who actually use it.

0:48:210:48:22

It may not be a household name,

0:48:310:48:33

but nearly all of us will have used a Carter product.

0:48:330:48:36

And we'll probably do so again very soon.

0:48:380:48:41

When you pull food from a supermarket fridge or freezer,

0:48:450:48:48

the chances are it's been made by Carter.

0:48:480:48:52

Today, the team are hoping to have their questions

0:48:530:48:56

about foaming kits answered.

0:48:560:48:58

This is the brains of the operation.

0:48:580:49:01

You can't have an inexperienced operator on here,

0:49:020:49:06

purely because of the health and safety issues.

0:49:060:49:09

Not only are the chemicals hazardous,

0:49:090:49:11

they must be mixed at the point of injection,

0:49:110:49:14

and at an exact ratio.

0:49:140:49:17

The chemical reaction is only when it's fired.

0:49:190:49:21

That's the only time it mixes.

0:49:210:49:22

The only time it can touch is right at the end of the nozzle.

0:49:220:49:25

If the mixture is wrong,

0:49:280:49:30

the foam won't do its job and freezers won't stay cold.

0:49:300:49:34

You want it clean, you want it sharp,

0:49:360:49:38

you don't want an overspill.

0:49:380:49:40

Cos every time you overshot or you overspill, it's costing you money.

0:49:400:49:44

This is a huge step forward for the team.

0:49:460:49:48

They've found the missing piece to the jigsaw.

0:49:480:49:51

It's so critical that these are well-maintained. It's so obvious,

0:49:530:49:56

I know, but it's things that tend to be missed,

0:49:560:49:58

because it's out of the way.

0:49:580:50:00

-If this goes down, you stop production, don't you?

-Exactly.

0:50:000:50:02

It's up to the kit to arrive and for these two to make sure

0:50:040:50:06

they do their jobs properly

0:50:060:50:08

putting the procedures and the controls in place.

0:50:080:50:10

So, with everything in order,

0:50:150:50:17

it's up to Pam and her team to be ready for the deadline.

0:50:170:50:20

Over six months, Digby has shown Ebac how it must evolve

0:50:270:50:30

when attempting its risky diversification into white goods.

0:50:300:50:34

There are lessons for all British manufacturers.

0:50:340:50:38

In the run-up to his final visit,

0:50:410:50:43

they've been trying to apply the difficult changes he's suggested.

0:50:430:50:47

They've tried overhauling the brand to stand out in a crowded market.

0:50:490:50:54

..cold water.

0:50:540:50:55

And they've tried setting up a production line

0:50:580:51:01

based on cutting-edge efficiency principles.

0:51:010:51:04

Now it's results day.

0:51:090:51:11

So, are Ebac making freezers?

0:51:130:51:17

Well, where are my chest freezers, then?

0:51:230:51:26

-Where? Where? You promised me, did you not?

-I did.

0:51:260:51:31

So, where are they?

0:51:310:51:33

OK, Digby, I could have had a chest freezer here,

0:51:330:51:36

but it wouldn't have been one that we've made the whole thing for.

0:51:360:51:39

I respect you for that, I respect you for that.

0:51:390:51:41

It's not good enough, though.

0:51:410:51:42

Listen, I'm... I'm with you on that one.

0:51:420:51:46

So, who in that process, since I was last here...?

0:51:460:51:50

Where is the blockage?

0:51:500:51:52

-There was a bad decision on how long it would take.

-Yep.

0:51:520:51:56

And that's where?

0:51:560:51:58

See, I would always say that that falls to here.

0:51:580:52:01

-Yeah.

-That that's where the blame lies.

-So would I.

0:52:010:52:04

You know, so... And not getting into the detail enough.

0:52:040:52:07

Yeah. You're the boss, and that's where it lies, really.

0:52:070:52:11

Pam's admitted her big mistake.

0:52:140:52:16

There are no freezers yet

0:52:180:52:19

because she underestimated the timescale of setting up.

0:52:190:52:23

But she wasn't in this alone.

0:52:230:52:25

-Hello!

-Hello. All right?

-Good to see you.

0:52:250:52:28

What have John and Jeff learnt?

0:52:280:52:30

You guys said to me

0:52:300:52:32

there'll be a chest freezer coming down there on the March of 31st.

0:52:320:52:36

-Yes, we did.

-Yes, exactly.

0:52:360:52:37

But it ain't good enough, gentlemen.

0:52:370:52:40

So, what one thing could you have done that you haven't?

0:52:400:52:43

It would have been that we started planning the project

0:52:430:52:47

a little bit earlier, instead of halfway through.

0:52:470:52:50

I also think it's the order

0:52:500:52:52

that we brought the equipment down from Scotland.

0:52:520:52:54

I think if we'd started with the foamers first,

0:52:540:52:56

we'd have realised we were probably going to have some problems.

0:52:560:53:00

Despite the lack of finished freezers,

0:53:020:53:04

the team have made huge progress.

0:53:040:53:06

They've installed presses to turn metal into freezer cabinets,

0:53:130:53:17

and robots to do the intricate work of assembly,

0:53:170:53:22

all using the principles of efficiency they saw earlier.

0:53:220:53:26

This is the final assembly here.

0:53:320:53:33

So, when, last time, I saw those bits of kit that were...

0:53:330:53:38

-creating the cabinet.

-Yes.

-And then they were coming this way.

0:53:380:53:41

-Yes.

-And then they go into the foamer.

0:53:410:53:43

-Yeah.

-Then they were going to come down here for final assembly.

0:53:430:53:45

-That's exactly right.

-And what you're telling me,

0:53:450:53:48

good thing, is you've planned this

0:53:480:53:50

so you're going to be doing all of that movement of it

0:53:500:53:53

-in a more compact space than was happening in John o'Groats.

-Yes.

0:53:530:53:56

Oh, totally more. We've got loads of this track left over.

0:53:560:53:59

-And fewer people.

-And fewer people, yeah.

-Yeah.

0:53:590:54:02

-Keep your overheads down.

-Yeah.

0:54:020:54:03

-Get more efficient, more productive.

-Yeah.

0:54:030:54:06

Now, if that takes a bit longer to get that planned well,

0:54:060:54:09

that's time well spent, I'm happy with that.

0:54:090:54:11

But there's one more issue to resolve.

0:54:160:54:20

Has Pam been convinced by Digby's views on consumer research?

0:54:200:54:24

So, almost the first time I met you,

0:54:260:54:29

I was talking to you about what does your consumer look like

0:54:290:54:32

and I asked you, you know, are you going to do any research?

0:54:320:54:36

And you did seem a bit reluctant towards that.

0:54:360:54:39

It's probably fair to say that we thought we knew everything.

0:54:390:54:43

We thought we knew how we would take this to market and we thought

0:54:430:54:47

that our biggest mistake was that

0:54:470:54:49

probably the retailers would welcome us with open arms

0:54:490:54:52

and almost be... "We've been waiting for you."

0:54:520:54:55

-That kind of...

-And that's not happened?

-No.

0:54:550:54:58

So, we've done some market research, we carried out some market research,

0:54:580:55:03

which led us to finding out

0:55:030:55:06

that a significant amount of people actually own a chest freezer,

0:55:060:55:09

which was great news for us.

0:55:090:55:12

It did solidify that we know people want these,

0:55:120:55:14

because people have already got them,

0:55:140:55:16

and it brought to us a little insight into the fact

0:55:160:55:19

that we'd missed a group of people. The allotment growers.

0:55:190:55:21

People who own allotments love chest freezers.

0:55:210:55:24

Armed with consumer research,

0:55:260:55:28

they've applied Rita's branding advice to their product,

0:55:280:55:31

and put recipes online.

0:55:310:55:33

'So, I am the proud owner of a chest freezer business

0:55:330:55:37

'and a proud owner of a chest freezer.'

0:55:370:55:40

It's not really about selling the product,

0:55:400:55:43

it's about building that brand and giving it depth

0:55:430:55:46

and creating a chest freezing community.

0:55:460:55:50

Because it actually understands how, as families,

0:55:500:55:54

we'll get benefits from our chest freezers.

0:55:540:55:57

To get traffic to your website, you've got to get interest.

0:55:590:56:03

Not everybody searches for chest freezers every day.

0:56:030:56:05

-Is that right(?)

-Believe it or not!

0:56:050:56:08

-There's a surprise(!)

-Believe it or not, it's a fact.

0:56:080:56:10

But people do search for recipes every single day.

0:56:100:56:13

If this means we can funnel traffic to the website

0:56:130:56:16

that may then come back one day and want a freezer,

0:56:160:56:20

-they'll remember us because they've been to our site.

-Sure.

0:56:200:56:23

Because of these. It's a great way of just simple interaction.

0:56:230:56:26

But, actually, you stay in someone's memory.

0:56:260:56:28

That'll be a marvellous tool.

0:56:280:56:29

MAN: 'And there we have the meat done. And now for the veg.'

0:56:290:56:32

Six months ago, Pam assumed her track record of achievement

0:56:350:56:38

in a niche industry would bring success

0:56:380:56:41

in the white goods market.

0:56:410:56:43

How does she feel now?

0:56:450:56:47

We're moving into the whole diversification,

0:56:470:56:49

the whole growth thing.

0:56:490:56:50

-We're moving out of our comfort zone...

-Yeah.

0:56:500:56:52

..of making something that we've made for years, we understand the market,

0:56:520:56:56

we understand how to make them, and we've had to learn

0:56:560:56:59

some very quick things here.

0:56:590:57:00

And, yes, about this particular project, but more than that,

0:57:000:57:05

about how as a business we need to develop and grow

0:57:050:57:08

and make sure that we're ready to do the next project

0:57:080:57:11

-and the next project.

-Spot on!

0:57:110:57:14

I felt really disappointed when I pitched up here this afternoon,

0:57:200:57:23

and frankly...

0:57:230:57:25

well, I did tell them off, and they deserved it.

0:57:250:57:28

I always knew this was going to be a tough conversation with Digby

0:57:280:57:31

so, you know, that's kind of over and done with.

0:57:310:57:34

But mostly, I'm ready for the challenge.

0:57:340:57:39

The best way of getting people to change isn't to tell them,

0:57:390:57:42

and it isn't to force them.

0:57:420:57:44

It's to get them to buy into it because they understand it,

0:57:440:57:47

because they've come to their own decision.

0:57:470:57:49

That's exactly what's happened here.

0:57:490:57:51

He's given me something that I think will have real longevity for me,

0:57:520:57:57

and to be honest, I think sometimes

0:57:570:57:59

I won't even realise that's where I got it from,

0:57:590:58:01

because I've just changed now

0:58:010:58:02

and I'm different and I look at things differently.

0:58:020:58:05

So, I won't think, "Oh, Digby would have done this or said this,"

0:58:050:58:08

I'll just do it differently.

0:58:080:58:10

I think the change will be sustainable and beneficial

0:58:100:58:14

because they have come to terms with it

0:58:140:58:16

and they have made the decision what to do.

0:58:160:58:19

I take my hat off to them. It's been a privilege to come here

0:58:190:58:22

and learn and understand. I hope I've helped them

0:58:220:58:25

and I wish them all the best in the world

0:58:250:58:27

and I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

0:58:270:58:29

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