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Jacqueline Gold is the queen of raunchy retail,

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but can she make sure the Ann Summers brand keeps its buzz?

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Women have changed. They're much more aware of their sexuality

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and they want to take charge in the bedroom.

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With more than 150 adult stores across the country,

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Gold has revolutionised the high street.

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But selling sex hasn't always been an easy ride.

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I think I've got the idea! Can I stop now?

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12 years ago,

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Ann Summers was struggling to cope with its rapid expansion.

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To find out more about the challenges facing her business,

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Gold took part in the BBC series Back To The Floor.

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Joining the workers proved to be a challenging experience.

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This must make me look really useless.

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I think I've been set up here.

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Over the course of one demanding week,

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the cameras followed Gold

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as she discovered the truth about her business.

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Well, you could always make it longer!

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LAUGHTER

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Now, over a decade on,

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the boss is heading back to the shop floor.

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This is all-singing, all-dancing,

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-it does everything...

-The ultimate one.

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It does everything except put the bins out.

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And she's more determined than ever

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to find out what's happening at the front line of saucy sales.

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I'm not quite sure why they've been in there so long, but...

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Jacqueline Gold is one of the country's richest

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and most successful businesswomen.

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Her company, Ann Summers,

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has changed the face of Britain's high streets

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with its chain of adult stores.

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Today, she's celebrating the latest addition to her retail empire.

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We don't just sell amazing underwear and amazing sex toys -

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we do, in fact, sell orgasms.

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-Ooh!

-Woo!

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Gold's latest store highlights the company's raunchiest products.

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We've gone through different stages

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and I think certainly where the product was concerned,

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our customers at one point felt we weren't sexy enough.

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'Women have changed. They're much more aware of their sexuality.'

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The store's more risque products

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- including the bestselling Rampant Rabbit -

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have now been thrust centre stage.

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Our vibe bar is now in the centre of the store

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because that's what customers come in, they want to see.

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And of course, we have the iconic rabbit, you know,

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acting like a celebrity in the middle of it all.

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The company has certainly come a long way since its roots

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as a small chain of licensed sex shops.

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When we first started, it was very clinical.

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You know, there was the raincoat brigade, there was...

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10% of our customers were women

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so it was a very small percentage of women coming into the stores.

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'We are now much more edgy, much more witty

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'so there's been a little bit of a turnaround.'

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Gold joined the family firm as a wages clerk

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but it wasn't long before she spotted an opportunity.

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'I was invited to a Tupperware party

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'and it was at that party that...'

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women knew that I was working at Ann Summers, albeit for work experience.

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They just said to me, "We really want to be able to buy sexy underwear

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"but we're too embarrassed to go into a sex shop

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"So why don't you do Ann Summers parties?"

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And I thought, "This sounds like an interesting idea."

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The Ann Summers party was an overnight success

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and before she knew it, she was running the company.

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Gold's next target was the high street.

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But as her retail empire grew,

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the company struggled to cope with its rapid expansion.

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We were growing at rate of 20% a year

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so we were throwing people at the problem,

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it was constant firefighting.

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And a lot of things are missed when that happens.

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To find out more about the problems facing her company,

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Gold decided to take part

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in the BBC documentary series Back To The Floor.

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The cameras followed her over the course of one very demanding week.

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'I was fairly new as a CEO,

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'I'd only been in the role for a few years

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'so on that basis, I just thought this was a quite good opportunity'

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to really get the chance to see what was going on.

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Now, 12 years on,

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Gold is going to relive her Back To The Floor experience,

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watching the documentary again.

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Oh, they're good!

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LAUGHTER, CLAPPING

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For me, it was so important,

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being able to go through this experience,

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even though it was actually quite challenging for me

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because it was outside my comfort zone.

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But I learned a huge amount from the experience.

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It was 7:30am - clocking-in time for the staff...

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..but problems with her car's navigation system

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meant that Gold was late.

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Her first job was on the lacy bra line.

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Try it that way first, that's with the undercup on the top first.

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This isn't going to line up.

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'My goodness, it just seems'

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such a long time ago, and yet I remember it like yesterday.

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When you first took over, you said

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you were approachable, "Ask me anything," but we'd never see you.

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-I know!

-Obviously, you were ever so busy.

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We've got so many different sites, we must have about 70 stores now.

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-Yeah.

-So it's very, very difficult.

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-We feel like we've been dumped.

-Aww.

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'Looking back, I think, at that time

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'it was such a rapidly growing business.

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'Sometimes things slip

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'and sadly, it was very difficult to be in all places at the same time.'

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Quality control in the factory was tight.

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Workers were inspected once a day

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and given a green, yellow or red card.

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'I think this is going to be bad news, isn't it?'

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I'll have to put you on a yellow

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because you've gone wider one side than you have the other.

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-Right.

-So those will have to be unpicked.

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'I've got to stop talking, really, haven't I?'

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12 years ago,

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there were 70 Ann Summers stores around the country.

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Today, that figure has more than doubled.

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But facing a tough economic climate,

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Jacqueline Gold has to work hard to stay ahead of the competition.

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We have to constantly listen to our customers

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and constantly recognise how trends are moving forward.

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I think one of the most important things

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a retailer can do in this difficult time is to make sure

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they do stand out from the crowd

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and that's something we've always done

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and something we will continue to do.

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To find out how she can improve her company,

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Gold is once again joining her staff on the shop floor.

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This time, she'll be working as a sales assistant

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in one of the company's biggest stores at Bluewater in Kent.

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I am really looking forward to going back to the floor.

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I'm especially looking forward to engaging with the staff

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and finding out what we can learn from customers and from our staff.

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I mean, there's really no better way to learn

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than going back to the floor and learning more about your business.

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To start off her working day, she meets store manager Christine.

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-Great to meet you.

-And you.

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I'm looking forward to working in your store today.

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We're excited to have you here. If I take you to the till...

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Like every other morning, Christine sets the targets for the day

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and briefs her team.

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Today we need to take £4,000

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so that is a challenge for us, but we know that we can do it.

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So this morning, Jacqueline and Rosie, you're on the vibe circle,

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Jess, you're on greet

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and Tash, you're on lingerie.

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Gold will have to sell vibrators.

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Her target is to shift ten of the handbag-sized ones called Bullets.

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It's sales time.

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Gold tries to sell her first Bullet.

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Can I just put this in your hand

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because you have to feel how powerful it is

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-Right, yeah, my friend's got one.

-Hold your hand...

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If you hold your hand closely.

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Every girl should have one in their handbag.

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-Just to travel round with?

-It's discreet, it's quick, it's powerful.

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-I can feel.

-..and it's only £5 if you buy...

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For a first attempt, Gold is doing well

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but Rosie is keeping a close eye on her.

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I'm getting some other bits,

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-so I'll get the Bullet.

-Fantastic.

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First time lucky.

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Gold goes on to try her selling techniques on two friends.

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They came in to buy an outfit, but she's hoping they'll buy more.

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-You've probably have heard about our Bullets before.

-Yeah.

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-But have you heard about the Gold Bullet?

-No.

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OK, well, the Gold Bullet is every girl's must-have.

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-Right, OK.

-Its perfect handbag size.

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Look, it's on the move already.

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-Can I just tempt you with one Bullet?

-Not for me, thank you.

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-How about you?

-Shall I think about it?

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I was disappointed with that

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and I think once one said no, the other one sort of said no as well.

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Today, retail stores generate most of the company's sales.

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12 years ago, however,

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the Ann Summers party accounted for a big part of the business.

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Gold's next task was to meet a party organiser.

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-Nice to see you.

-Nice to meet you too. Come on in.

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OK.

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New recruits were loaned a starter kit to help them begin.

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Gold was collecting hers from party organiser Mel Bayle.

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She'd never looked through a starter kit before.

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This is a Feline,

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and this is one of the new ones, called Panther.

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The kit - worth £375 -

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should have had enough for a new recruit, but Gold spotted a flaw.

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Just before you carry on now,

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most of the items in my kit were size 10 to 12.

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Why would everything be in a small size

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with the exception of a few 14 to 16?

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-That's what I'd like to know, really.

-You don't know?

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No, I don't know. For instance, you only have one bra

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so you'll have to order bras in.

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You can't do a party with one bra!

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You know, at the moment bras are our top sellers

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so it seems ridiculous that there aren't any more in.

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And it wasn't only bras that were missing.

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We definitely need more vibrators.

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-Do you want a calculator?

-Yeah.

-OK.

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Gold decided to add to her party kit -

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lingerie, prizes for party games,

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hostess gifts, hangers, batteries and vibrators.

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But she had to pay for them with her own money.

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It's quite surprising how quickly it all adds up.

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Yeah, it's £215.

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-See you tomorrow.

-Bye.

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12 years on, Gold is working in one of her biggest stores

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in the Bluewater Shopping Centre.

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Can I persuade you to try one on?

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I'll try one on.

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-What size are you?

-32 double-D.

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Wow! Looks brilliant! Really good.

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She's really, really pleased and she looked stunning in them.

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I don't think she came in here to buy a bra

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so I'm quite pleased that she's going out with two.

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Gold is on a roll.

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She's spotted another potential customer.

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Thank you.

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'I'm really pleased about this customer, actually,

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'because when she came over,

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'she'd already purchased her goods from Ann Summers

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'so she was sort of on her way out

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'and I said, "I'd just like to talk to you about our pure lace range."'

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I'm just waiting to hear what she thinks.

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-What's your boyfriend's name?

-Alex.

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Alex? Sorry, I think we need your opinion.

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He's gone inside.

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As head of the company, Gold isn't used to being kept waiting.

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I don't want to make them feel like they're being pounced on.

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Not quite sure why they've been in there so long, but...

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He has been there rather a long time, hasn't he?

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After a long wait...

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-..a positive result.

-We got there. Thank you.

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Another sale for Gold

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and two very satisfied customers.

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On Gold's trip to the shop floor,

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she headed back to Mel's to learn the tricks of the party trade.

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Mel had invited fellow party organiser Mandy to help out.

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Hello? Hello!

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Some of the items throughout the catalogue,

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it's quite good to make a funny comment about, OK?

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I usually explain to them what the goods are.

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I'll say, "Look, you have a little peephole here for your cleavage,

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"and this thong back

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"but you'll need to pull it to one side when you go to the toilet

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"cos there's no popper fastener underneath."

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This is your peephole bra, OK?

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Ideal for breast feeding,

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and I say to them,

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"Also comes with a matching pair of crotchless knickers, OK?

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"Ideal if you can't be bothered to get undressed.

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"But also, turn it upside-down, you've got yourself a bra top."

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Then I tell them to make sure they've washed it

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before they turn it upside down.

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Oh, my God!

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LAUGHTER

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No, I mean...

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She's thinking, "We're going to have a really clean party here!"

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To be honest, this is probably the bit I'm dreading the most.

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-You've got to have a certain personality.

-I can't talk like that.

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'It's very funny, I can't actually believe how embarrassed I was.'

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Certainly I think, as you get older, you become much more immune

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cos I cannot possibly imagine myself being embarrassed today.

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You don't know what you're missing.

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It's less messy, doesn't roll over and go to sleep afterwards.

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It doesn't answer back.

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You haven't got to make sure you finish it off first.

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-Mandy!

-Hang on, I've got to write this down.

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LAUGHTER

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I really don't think this is me, actually, Mel.

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'This is really not me.'

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This is your experience of our Ann Summers.

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-So open up your condom...

-Mel, are you listening to me?

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Even unrolling condoms was proving tricky.

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-Which way?

-It doesn't matter.

-That way?

-Which way's inside out?

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-How do you do it?

-Just open it up like that.

-OK.

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-Just open the condom right up.

-Hang on. So...

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You can use balloons instead of condoms.

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I use balloons. I can't stand the feel of these.

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These girls aren't going to do this? Will you make me blow it up?

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-No.

-Well, not quite.

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Then what you do is hold it tightly over the end of your pump. OK?

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Can't believe you've got me doing this!

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You might think because it's a foot pump, you have to use your foot

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-but you don't.

-Obviously not, no.

-Are you ready?

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Your arse? OK.

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-Ready?

-I can't get down...

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PUMP SQUEAKS

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-The first person to blow their...

-I can't do it!

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The first person to blow their condom up...

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'They were great girls, actually.'

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I think I've got the idea. Can I stop?

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'It was quite a challenging experience, I can't deny'

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though obviously outside my comfort zone,

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didn't know what was going to be thrown at me,

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but I wouldn't change anything

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because it was such a fantastic learning curve for me.

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Morning, Lynn. How are you?

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The next morning, it was Gold's last day at the factory.

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-You all right?

-I'm fine.

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At the time, the basic wage was £156 per week,

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which increased with piece work.

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But on that particular day, work was in short supply.

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This is all we've got.

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-Do you know why that is?

-Uh, no.

-Have you told Ivy?

-Yeah, she knows.

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-Were you girls working on the same thing?

-Yeah.

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And you're just waiting for Ivy to sort you something else out?

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Realistically, how long could you be sitting there

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waiting for something to do, whatever it might be?

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It could be a day, it could be more.

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-So literally sitting there, reading a book or...

-Yeah.

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For the girls in the factory, I was devastated, you know,

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as I learned that even two hours,

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two hours' work - a loss of two hours' work, sorry -

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was having a great impact on their income,

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something that I hadn't previously realised.

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'But that's why I went back to the floor, to discover these things.

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'Thank God I did, because I would have never learned it.'

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Gold was so worried about what she'd heard,

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she decided to confront the manager.

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What's your feeling about the situation?

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The way we see it is, if you own us,

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it doesn't make sense to pay girls here to sit and do nothing

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and part of ranges that we could be producing for you go elsewhere.

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I mean, I remember at the time feeling absolutely gobsmacked

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that there were periods of time that the factory wasn't working.

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But the good news is, we were able to increase the orders

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and I think there was a lack of understanding of how important it was

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to keep the factory working and profitable.

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Today, Gold understands the importance of keeping her ear to the ground.

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Over their lunch break at Bluewater,

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she talks to manager Christine.

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The first thing I'd like to know is how you think it's going today.

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I'm actually really impressed, cos I know you were nervous,

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at how quickly you've dived straight in there, serving the customers.

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This is an opportunity for me to find out from you

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if there's anything you want to tell me about today,

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whether if there's anything, if you were in my position,

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that you would like to do or you'd like me to do

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to make changes or consider where we can improve the store.

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I think, with our store,

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the stock room causes me a problem

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because we have a tiny space compared to our shop floor

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and we do sometimes have too much stock of certain items.

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After lunch, Gold and Christine have a look at the root of the problem.

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If I show you what we're facing in the stock room

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at this time of the year as we've got more novelty items in,

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things like the Penis Pasta,

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we've got about 50 of these in stock at the moment.

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Same with the Marshmallow Willies,

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we've got about 40 of those in stock.

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Between my two deliveries,

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I'm not going to sell anywhere near that amount,

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yet it's clogging up my stock room at the moment.

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I mean, Christine, I do sympathise with you.

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One of the challenges you have here at Bluewater

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is your stockroom just isn't big enough, and unfortunately,

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this is a problem that many retailers experience with shopping centres,

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because retailers want maximum space on the shop floor,

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where it's more expensive to rent.

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So it is a challenge and it is something we are addressing.

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You know, one of the things we're looking at at the moment

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is more frequent deliveries,

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which means you can rotate your stock more often

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and we are trialling this at the moment.

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There are other gadgets we can also use

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to help maximise the space in here as best as we can.

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Just like today, Gold's task 12 years ago

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was to find out what her customers and staff wanted.

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And to do that, she was on her way to hold an Ann Summers party.

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One of the women from the factory had agreed to be the party hostess

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and she'd invited 12 of her friends around.

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The more Gold sold, the more she would earn,

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but every expense of the night, like the gifts for the hostess

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and prizes for the games, would be deducted from her commission.

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So is there anyone that hasn't been to an Ann Summers party before?

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Well, that makes three of us.

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Starting with the Fifi, which is at the top of the range...

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Gold began with lingerie.

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This does come with gloves as well.

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I think the party's quite slow, very slow,

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not as exciting as an Ann Summers party could be.

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Gold was taken to one side and given some advice.

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People almost expect you to say something quite,

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not necessarily too rude, but suggestive, maybe.

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You're absolutely right, because I'm not making it entertaining

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in terms of, you know, I'm not doing a comedy act as such.

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Then the risk there is that they might not book another party.

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Jill has got to suck the card on her lips, and very quickly...

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Once the party games started, Gold began to relax.

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LAUGHTER

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Now let go! Let go.

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Oh, no!

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LAUGHTER

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-Oh, look! They're good!

-Oh, they're good!

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LAUGHTER, CLAPPING

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The winner got a prize from the Ann Summers catalogue -

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paid for by Gold, the party organiser.

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-There you go.

-Thank you.

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Hey! What have you got?

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"Music To Strip"?

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It was great fun to watch, actually,

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and I certainly warmed up as the party went on.

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But selling lingerie was only half of the task -

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Gold had to sell sex toys as well.

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We're starting off with the Purple Pulser.

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Get your laughing gear around that!

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Now, girls, this is the real feel

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and I promise you when this is passed around

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you'll realise how lifelike it is.

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Too small!

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No, no, no.

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You could always make it longer!

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LAUGHTER

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The fun over - but what did Gold sell?

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-Would that be any good for you anyway?

-No, because it's half-cup.

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Two in black and white?

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Many of the women put in big orders

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but for some, it's the size that matters.

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I really like some of these

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but the problem is, they don't do a 36F. I'm a 36F.

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Since Back to the Floor, we've increased the bra sizes,

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we go up to a 42H now,

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so all of that...

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a lot of that was to do with response to this party.

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Despite the lost sales, Gold thought she'd done well.

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Right, I've just calculated the orders

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and I've sold £218.32.

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The morning after the party, however, Gold was in for a surprise.

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I've sort of roughly worked out

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what we thought your actual profit would be...

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Gold was told what she owed for additions to her kit.

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Straightaway, before you start,

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you owe your account £257.42 approximately.

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What for?

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For all your extra items.

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It adds up very quickly.

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That's all fine.

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Thong thrill, thong fury... It does, doesn't it?

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Gold was over £250 in debt.

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Next, she worked out her profit from the party itself.

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All her expenses had to come out from her commissions.

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Basically, from the party, you made £45.96, OK?

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Right, so minus your prizes,

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your petrol there and back, there and back,

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stationery, your phone bill

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-you're 'posed to phone her three times...

-Before the party.

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..and your order line phone

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and then your hostess gift, which is £5.

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You also have your kit rental to come out of that...

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25 now, it's not 250.

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Mel and Mandy calculated that Gold's profit was around £15-20.

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At that meeting, it didn't make sense to me

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how it was possible we had 7,000 party organisers

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that were doing very well

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and the business was doing well. At the end of the day,

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if people don't make money they don't stay,

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so it didn't quite add up to me at the time.

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What I'd like to ask you

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is what do you think the company can do to improve this situation?

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Do you know what I think?

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I think if you do good sales, high sales, get a bonus...

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I really enjoy doing the job

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but for the amount of hours that I have to put in,

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I don't see that I get the benefits from it.

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At the end of her Back to the Floor week,

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Gold took her findings back to head office.

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First on the agenda, the Ann Summers party

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and the lack of products in the starter kit.

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The balance of products that was in there was just totally wrong.

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Bras at the moment are top sellers. There was only one bra in the kit.

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Neither of us were aware of that. I'm actually staggered to find that.

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'Surely, one phone call

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'and we could change that almost immediately, couldn't we?'

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I would like to think so, yes.

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I'm a bit baffled over the earnings issue.

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By not getting the kit right in the first place,

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we're forcing a new recruit to actually invest a lot of money

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which she can't afford, that's why she's joining us in the first place.

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We don't encourage the girls to go and spend £200 or £150 up front.

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We want to make sure that these new recruits stay,

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and they're not burdened by extra costs.

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They've got to feel supported and that they've got the right backup.

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I think the kit at that time was valued at about £375

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whereas we've since, over time, increased it to £500.

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Certainly, we've had great feedback from the organisers because of it.

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Next on the agenda, the lack of work at the factory.

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Of course, it's ridiculous that we have a situation where

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we're paying people to sit there doing absolutely nothing.

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I think perhaps the buying department

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haven't focused enough on increasing their work for Ann Summers

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-and I really think that has to be given priority.

-I agree.

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-That's something I can take on board to try to resolve.

-OK.

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Despite their efforts to increase the orders at the factory,

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in 2005, Gold was forced to make changes.

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At that time, most of the manufacturing was done in the UK

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so it made sense to set up a manufacturing company

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that was completely company-owned and that we had control over.

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Since then, all of our competitors were moving their suppliers to China

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and we had to keep pace with our competition.

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Sadly, we had to make the decision to close the factory down.

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'I think the lessons that I learned'

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during that week of filming on Back to the Floor

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most definitely benefited the business.

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We now do our own Back To The Floor

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in the sense that all our directors now have to go into store

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at peak times, at Valentine's, at Christmas,

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and to really get to feel what the customer is experiencing

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and also what the staff are going through.

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Back at Bluewater, Gold's working day is drawing to a close.

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Now it's time to find out if she's hit her sales target.

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We've actually managed to sell 19 Bullets today.

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-19!

-So a big thank you to you because you've been part of that.

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So it's not been too disruptive?

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No, not at all, you've been a great help today.

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You girls have been great teachers.

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It's a great opportunity for me

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to thank you for everything you've done

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and just to let you know you're really valued.

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-Thank you very much.

-'I want to be absolutely sure

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'we're doing as much as we can with the customer feedback.'

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I think we are, but it doesn't hurt

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for me to just get a little more involved in that.

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-Bye-bye!

-Thank you.

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'I'm definitely pleased I came back to the floor

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'and I highly recommend it to all directors and business leaders

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'to try to do that within their businesses

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'because you learn so much.'

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