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Gerald Ratner is the boss who became public enemy number one. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
People say to me, "How can you sell this for such a low price?" | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
I say, "Because it's total crap." | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
I thought because of the speech I could never sell anything again | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
as long as I lived. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
After years in the wilderness, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Ratner re-launched his career by building a gym. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
In 1997, the cameras followed Ratner as he created a new | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
luxury health club. He would have to overcome technical challenges... | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
Will the place smell of BO? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
..fights with builders... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
Organised chaos! | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
..and a bust-up with his business partner. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
It's a very, very unpleasant situation to be in. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
Now, Ratner is going to re-live the experience | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
of getting back into business. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
'Everybody is very edgy and I don't normally inhale my cigars, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
'but I am this week.' | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
And, after a 15-year rift, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
he's meeting face-to-face with the friend he sacked. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
You said to me you should always leave the party with who you arrive, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
-you remember that? -Oh, yeah, yeah. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
But when it came to it, you didn't do that. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Gerald Ratner was once the golden boy of British business. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
After building up the family firm | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
into the country's biggest jewellery chain, he was hailed | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
as the man with the Midas touch. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
In 1991, he was invited to address | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
a prestigious conference at the Albert Hall. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
What should have been his crowning moment turned into a nightmare. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
We also do this nice sherry decanter, it's cut glass, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
and it comes complete with six glasses on a silver-plated tray | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
that your butler could bring you in and serve you drinks on, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
and it really only costs £4.95. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
People say to me, "How can you sell this for such a low price?" | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
I say, "Because it's total crap." | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Ratner's joke went down like a lead balloon. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Targeted by the tabloids, King Midas had become a pariah. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
I made the speech in April 1991 and hung on for 18 months, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:49 | |
which was the worst 18 months of my life, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
hired a chairman who fired me and then left, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
and because all my money was in shares | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
and Ratner shares had gone down to nothing, I didn't have any money. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
His career in ruins, Ratner was cast out in the wilderness. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
I didn't have the will to work, I didn't want to play any more. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
I believed everything the press was saying about me. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
I had applied for various jobs | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and was always rejected | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
and I basically gave up. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
After five long years, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
Ratner found a way to rebuild his career. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Because I was very depressed about my situation | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
and I found that doing exercise | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
made me feel a lot brighter. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
So I was really into all that health and fitness, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
and I thought the natural thing to do was open up a health club. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Ratner's vision of creating a new health club | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
found a home in affluent Henley-on-Thames. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
After embarking on his new venture, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
Ratner agreed to take part in the BBC documentary series | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Trouble At The Top. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Over three months, the cameras followed him as he struggled to get | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
his health club off the ground. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
Obviously all of this needs carpeting. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
I haven't seen the carpet man. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
I'm looking forward to seeing the carpet man. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Now, 15 years on, Ratner is going to witness his business rebirth | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
as a fitness entrepreneur. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
It doesn't look like we'll have it ready for Friday. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Well, when I show people round | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
and say we're having an opening party on Friday night | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
they think I'm having one of my jokes. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
I think you're having one of your jokes! | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
Ratner's return began at the site of a former warehouse in Henley. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
His dream was to turn it into a health club called The Workshop. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
It was great to create something from scratch | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
cos it was just a building site, an old building, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
and as every brick was laid it was fantastic to imagine | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
what this luxury health club was going to look like. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
It was just extremely exciting for me. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
Ratner's business partner was Tony Colborne. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
After failing to raise his share of the money to buy the club, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
Gerald decided to employ Tony as general manager. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
The bond between Tony and I is so strong because we went through | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
a situation that was totally hopeless for months. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
It was just looking like the whole thing was sinking. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
We were not getting the gym, we were not getting the money | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
and we stuck with it and we've come through it | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
and we look at it today, we can't believe it. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Gerald is unfortunately associated with an event which was a misfortune | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
and I think there's a lot of people, even after all these years, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
who are looking for another misfortune, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
and it's a big pressure on me to make sure that doesn't happen. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
So really, my motivation is to make the business work. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
We had a certain rapport, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
a sense of humour maybe through the adversity, | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
but we joked around | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
and we got on extremely well. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
Although they'd raised enough to start building, money was tight. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
A short cut was made on a key aspect of the gym - | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
there would be no air conditioning. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Will the place smell of BO? | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
That's basically the question that we want answered. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Can you guarantee there'll be no smell of BO? | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
I can't guarantee. It is designed not to smell. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
Nice and cool in here, isn't it? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
That's a good sign. It's cool. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Gerald put £200,000 into the project | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
and found two outside partners to put in the same. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The price of the building contract was fixed, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
but more money was needed to cope with the luxury equipment. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
You're saying that to run 40 aerobic machines costs more than... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:52 | |
Originally you just had a free-standing cycle | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
that you used to pedal on, and now it's got computers and power | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
and you've got the running machines that run up and down... | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
It's absolute nonsense. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
And to put up the cost by 120,000 | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
when we're in the middle of doing it, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
'it's a try-on and they're not going to get away with it.' | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
We had to put a facility that was going to be first-class. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
The worry here was that costs now were escalating. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
We didn't have it in the budget and we were having to cut corners | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
and we were going to be a laughing stock, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
so that was another pressure we were under. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
Determined to lure members to his new health club, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Ratner decided to build a pool. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
It's very exciting that we're digging the hole now. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
I couldn't believe that this has happened. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
Fantastic. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
Ratner's other partner was property developer Michael Sears. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
He agreed to stump up the extra £100,000 needed for the pool. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
I reckoned that Gerald Ratner was very keen to make a comeback | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
and to get involved, he needed something to do, he was screaming. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
This guy needed to get involved in something | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
and get his hands on a task and get working again. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
-Hi, Michael. -Cor! | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
Dug ourselves a bloody big hole there! | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
I felt a bit under pressure because he is a tough nut | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
and he wouldn't accept anything other than perfection. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:37 | |
We want the creche to be in here or somewhere, I don't know where, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
we want it to be in here. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
Michael was worried about the creche. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
The plan was to put the members' kids in a log cabin in the garden, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
but Tony hadn't applied for planning permission. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
-What about this corner here? -That's our nice garden area. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
We're seeing a cabin this afternoon, we'll look at the space | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
and how many children it can accommodate and if it's the type of building, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
and if it is we'll give the dimensions to the architect | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
and tell him to insert it into the plan. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
There's a meeting on Monday. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
Your argument is one of the reasons you haven't put planning permission | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
in for the log cabin is you didn't know what log cabin we were buying | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
-or what size it was... -No, we don't where it's going to go. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
But Tony! | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
The whole thing about planning is you write down where you'll want it to go | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
and then you go in and ask for that and you make sure that that happens | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
and it's not going to descend from heaven. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
You've got to decide what you want. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
If you don't make those decisions, nothing happens. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
-Is this it here? -Yeah. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
Under pressure from their investors, Gerald and Tony decided it was time | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
to secure a deal on the log cabin for the creche. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
He's asking £6,000 for it, he's indicated... | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
I think we should offer him five. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Well, he's already indicated he'd accept five... | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Offer him four, offer him four. In cash, this afternoon. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
With Michael Sears it was always a little bit difficult. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
You had to be very careful what you said, but with Tony | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
you could just make a fool of yourself and he could with me | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and we didn't really care | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
and we...you know, just enjoyed our journey together. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
-So what would you be prepared to pay? -What's your figure? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
-I'm asking you, what would you do? -You say £1,500 to move it... | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
I say two. You've got to make it look worst-case, haven't you, to him? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
No, I want the real facts from you. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
We say two but we can probably get it done for between one, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
one and a half. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Well, I reckon if we're all in for five for the whole lot that's fine. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
What's the best deal? The best deal is to pay nothing, isn't it! | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
'Go up and say to him, "Me and my partner have had a long discussion | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
'"and we've formulated an offer for you and it's nothing!"' | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I mean, you can do that, but I'll hide behind the hedge. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
It's still going to cost us about £2,000. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
He'll be very impressed with that offer, won't he? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
He'll kiss your feet. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
The owner arrived and an offer was made. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
If we offered you £4,000 today plus we'd look after the removal cost | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
-we'd be prepared to give you a cheque today. -I'll accept that. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
-Good. -OK. -Thanks very much. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Gerald had his creche, but without planning consent, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
it could only open for two hours a day. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
His wife Moira predicted problems. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
I assume that they'll pick a reasonable two hours, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
-and the morning is always the best time. -It'll be between 11am and 1pm. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
I should think that's probably the worst time to have a creche open, Gerald, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
over lunchtime. I would have thought 10 till 12. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
-Who did make this decision? -Tony. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
-DAUGHTER: -Did you agree with it? Did you? | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
-Erm, yeah. -You see, Daddy, the things that Mummy asked you, who made this decision, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
let's say Tony made it. You still agreed with it. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
If you didn't agree, it wouldn't happen, I mean... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
He's just trying to annoy me, Sarah. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
I know, I know. I still think it's right. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
Then go and say to Mummy, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
say to Mummy, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
"Tony said it but I agreed with it because I thought it was right." | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
-Don't go and say Tony thought of it. -Tony said it and I agree with it. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
Although we were joking around and everyone was very happy, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
we were very short of money, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
and I clearly needed to make a success of this | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
to get an income coming in. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
GENERAL CHATTER | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
It's extremely tense. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Everybody is very edgy | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
and they won't let me in into the Portakabin when I smoke this cigar | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
so I'm sitting out here. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
And I don't normally inhale my cigars, but I am this week. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
With less than an hour to go, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
the staff arrive to help with the preparations. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Ratner decided it was time to rally his troops. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
I know it's been an enormous amount of pressure | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
and it's been absolutely ridiculous but it's not looking bad, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
it's not 100% but it's not bad and I would just like to thank you. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
I know we're all under tremendous strain | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
but if it's possible that we can all smile, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
because that's the best thing we can do. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
-You're the only one not smiling. -I'm the only one not smiling! | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
I agree, I'm not, but if we all try to smile, because the most powerful | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
thing we've got is the people who are running this gym. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
And I've got 100% confidence that it will be an enormous success. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
After all the hard work, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
it was time for the new members to give their verdict. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
GUESTS CHATTER | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
This is very exciting time for me because I'm starting a new business | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
and I've never done that before. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
I've ended a business, but I haven't actually started one. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Gerald and Tony decided not to put air conditioning | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
throughout the club. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
They're saying, "When are you turning the air conditioning on?" | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
I said, "If we turn it on, the floors warp." | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
Have you done all that? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
I've said that air conditioning dries your mouth. Didn't work. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
-Cheers. -Well done, Tony. You've been a good partner. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
-Have I? -You have. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
'Congratulations. Here's to The Workshop.' | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
It was a wonderful evening for me, I loved it, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
and what I said to Tony was true, he was a great partner. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
Gerald had to go on a promised family holiday to Portugal, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
leaving Tony in charge. He was becoming more and more worried | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
about whether Tony was up to the job. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
-'Hello.' -Gerald? -'Hi, Tony.' | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
-How are you? -'Fine, thanks. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
'Do you know how many members we've got at the moment?' | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
-We're in the 600s somewhere. -'Right. What, 601?' | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
I'm not exactly sure, because we don't have our systems | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
properly set up here yet. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
-The pool they're filling with water tomorrow. -'Oh, right. Good.' | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
All the tiling is completed now - that looks fantastic. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
'Are you going to order the paving stones for around the pool?' | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
Yeah, we'll have to get that sorted out. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
Gerald returned from holiday | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
to discover that the swimming pool still wasn't ready. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
Tony hadn't ordered the paving stones and the filtration system. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
It drove me mad on my holiday because I kept phoning up every day | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
asking about the pool house and I was told | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
that it was starting tomorrow every day, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
and in fact one day I was actually told it had started, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
and it hadn't started. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
The creche was behind schedule | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
and only 13 more memberships had been sold. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Gerald and the other investors | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
decided that drastic action was needed. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
It was actually the last straw when Gerald come back from holiday | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and found that the swimming pool was not open. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
The pool was absolutely finished, it even had water in it, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
but it didn't work because a little pool house needed to be ordered | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
to enclose all the filtration. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
For some reason which I will never understand, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
that pool house was never ordered. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
I had a phone call from Tony on Friday afternoon. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
His actual words were, "I've got some terrible, terrible news." | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
Michael Sears looked at me and said the club is disaster | 0:16:54 | 0:17:01 | |
and that I'm responsible for it | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
and the best thing he thinks can be done is that I step down. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Which was quite bizarre, really, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
because the club was successful. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
I think it was a bit harsh on Tony. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
As he said in that clip, it was a big success, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
but he was very annoying not ordering... | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
Sorry to go on about this, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
but why did he not order the paving stones | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
so we could build the pool house? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
It was so annoying that I came back from holiday | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
and the pool was not operative. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Having said all of that, he didn't deserve to go. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
Maybe it was a bit of a rash decision to tell him to go | 0:17:44 | 0:17:50 | |
and perhaps I should apologise. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
But... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
..that was it. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:58 | |
Ratner decided to take over as general manager. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
When the pool was finally finished, he held his own launch party. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
-Is there ketchup? -There will be. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Not sure it's ready yet. Let me give you one of these. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
-Gerald, you're burning the buns. -I know, I haven't got any tongs. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
-SARAH: -I want my father to have a proper successful business. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
I don't want him to worry about his gym, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
I want him to have fun with it and also I want it to be successful | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
and have a nice time. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
For Ratner, The Workshop had been a big success. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
For his former business partner, it was a different story. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Tony Colborne took the owners to court, claiming unfair dismissal. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
He lost the case. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
In 2001, Ratner decided to sell his stake in The Workshop. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
It was fantastic for me because I'd come from a situation | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
where I didn't have any money, I didn't have a job, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
I was unemployable, and here I was, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
I made a big success of the club, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
sold for £3.9 million. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
It meant everything to me, this club, it was a great stepping stone. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
It got me back on my feet. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
With the money he made from the health club, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Ratner has rebooted his career | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
by launching an online jewellers. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
He's also keen to make a return to the fitness business. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
To find out how the industry's changed, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
he's going back to The Workshop. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
It's now owned by one of the country's biggest health club chains. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Manager Kate begins by showing him the pool. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
Well, obviously this is the huge difference. I can't believe it. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-It was outdoors, wasn't it? -It was outdoors. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
Obviously we spent a lot of money on heating, stuff like that. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
We never covered it, but it does look fabulous, I have to say. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
They've done a fantastic job. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
This is like a really hard-working looking place, you know, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
that you'd really go to a serious gym where you do serious workouts. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
I think that's one of the biggest things now, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
they used to be more leisure clubs and now they are gyms. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
The Workshop may have changed, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
but for Ratner, it's a reminder of how he re-launched his career. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
We created a health club from nothing. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
I'm very proud that people have come here over the years. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
They wouldn't have done it if we hadn't had the idea | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and started it from scratch. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
But Ratner's success came at price - | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
the end of his partnership with Tony Colborne. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
For him, rebuilding his career would mean looking for new horizons. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
I often reflect on the period of being involved with The Workshop | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
and with Gerald and with others there | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
and it bothers me. It's bothered me constantly for years, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
partly because I had a good relationship with Gerald. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
I left The Workshop, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
and it took me a little while to gather my thoughts, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
because I'd put quite a lot of effort into that. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
After being sacked by his former business partners, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
Colborne began to search for new opportunities. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Soon after, I went back to the City where I'd previously been | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
and I established a software company | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
which was focusing on the Lloyds of London commercial insurance market, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
and we worked hard at that | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
and over a number of years it became very, very successful. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
Colborne decided to sell his company in 2006, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
in a deal worth nearly £12 million. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
It was a life-changing moment. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
The sale of that business gave me a cushion | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
to enable me to develop in areas | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
that I wanted to be involved in. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Today, Colborne's business interests | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
include developing eight luxury properties in Morocco. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
They're very large properties, maybe six to eight bedrooms | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
with staff accommodation. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
I'm building these houses | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
for people that want to perhaps spend more time in Morocco. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:34 | |
In 2011, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:35 | |
Colborne finally decided it was time to heal his rift with Ratner. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
I've sort of agonised over that for years, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
particularly when things go wrong, it always reflects back | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
to that particular time, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
and I just decided that my life's not all that bad | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
and I thought it was something I would aim to deal with. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
I don't want to live with that anger and bitterness. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Today, Ratner and Tony Colborne are finally meeting | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
to discuss their acrimonious split. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
It did make a big impression on me, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
and the unfortunate way that it ended, and I don't, as you don't, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
like to leave things in the air, the bitterness that obviously was there, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
so it's nice it's been resolved by you contacting me. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
As soon as you did that, I immediately was delighted. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:34 | |
Really, I should have got in touch with you, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
you were the one that was hard done by, not me, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
but what made you bury the hatchet, so to speak? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
I felt I wanted to deal with it, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
because I've been having too many bad thoughts about things | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
and we always had a good relationship and had a lot of fun. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
We did, we really did. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
But I was very unhappy about what happened at that time. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
A lot of work went into building that club | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
and I was particularly pleased that it did complete. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
It was a fantastic success, and a lot of it down to you. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
You did a fantastic job in terms of initially buying the site, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:16 | |
marketing it, the advertising. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
There were certain things that were frustrating, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
that were taking a long time after it was open, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
and when I came back from holiday, I was really upset. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
I wanted to come back and see people swimming in the pool, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
that's what I was always hoping. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
But you were on holiday a week before it opened. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
You said to me you should always leave the party with who you arrive, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
-you remember that? -Yeah, yeah! | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
-But when it came to it, you didn't do that. -That is bad. -I'm disappointed about that. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
It's still in business, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
people are still going there every day after 15 years, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and so therefore that's great. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Which you created, or we created. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Yeah, we'd done that and had a lot of good times. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
No, I'd heard that you did well and it's been nice... | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
You know, cos immediately we've got this same rapport we had then, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
which I missed in a way, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:13 | |
I don't want to get too cheesy about it, but we got on well. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
We did, yeah. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
And I hope we can keep in touch. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
What plans have you got now? Got any plans to do anything new? | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
-Well, I'm thinking of going back into the health club business. -Oh, really? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
But this time not a luxury health club where you just lie around | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
by a swimming pool or go into the beauty area, sit in the bar, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
but something much more functional, and I'm thinking of rock climbing. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
He persuades Tony to visit their local climbing centre. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
It's a chance to see how the business works | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
and to try out it for himself. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
I am scared of heights, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
but I suppose if I'm going to do this as a business, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
I should try it at least once. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
-How's that feeling? -Well, I'm not looking down. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
-OK, do you want to pause there a moment, Gerald? -Yeah. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
You're nice and tightly secured. Do you want to have a look at me? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
No. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:26:09 | 0:26:10 | |
-Can I just step down a bit? -Yeah, that's fine. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-Gerald, if you look down at me a minute. -I'd rather just step down. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
That's all right. Hold onto your knot. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
That's it, now push your feet against the wall. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
-Trust it. Lovely. -I've got you now, yeah. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
-Yeah? Got it? Happy? -Yes, happier now. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Leave your feet where they are. Leave them there a moment. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
Don't move them. Keep them there | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
until you get lower into a seated position. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
-With you now. -Lovely. Walk them down the wall. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
-I see. -You got it. Fantastic first climb. Well done. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
Yeah. So I should have done that a bit earlier. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
Yeah, don't worry, nice work. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
-Great. Tony, do you want to try it? -You're alive, you're alive! | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah? Well done. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
I've done that, that's great, I'm not doing it again! | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
I didn't particularly enjoy it because it was terrifying, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
but from a business point of view, I'm convinced even more so | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
that it's got to be incorporated into a health club. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
Ratner may be enthused, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
but his former business partner remains doubtful | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
about his climbing centre concept. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
It's a very niche market, though, isn't it? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
No, exercise...it's exercise... leisure - it's the biggest market, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
everybody is into health and fitness. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
Tony remains sceptical, but after healing his rift with Ratner, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
he's at least lending him his support. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
I think Gerald did very well. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
I think with a bit more practice he'll be on top of the highest wall. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
Ratner's even hopeful their reunion may be the first step | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
towards a future collaboration. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
-Maybe I'll try it one day. -Come along, give it a go. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
And you'll say, "Gerald... | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
"You're right." | 0:27:53 | 0:27:54 | |
-"I wish I had invested at that time." -"I wish I had invested at this time." | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
Or you might say, "I can still invest with you, Gerald." | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
It's not too late, because I still haven't found anywhere yet! | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
# I don't know how I'm gonna tell you | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
# I can't play with you no more | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
# I don't know how I'm gonna do what Mama told me | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
# My friend, the boy next door... # | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
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