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Last year, I followed eight farms across Northern Ireland | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
as they diversified in a bid to survive. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
They needed to do something different and profitable | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
before they went under. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
It was time for some radical thinking. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
There were some strong ideas and there were some very weak ones. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
There were dreamers... | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
You're a dilettante. You dip in and out of things. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
'..deadlines were broken.' | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
You're really making a bit of progress on this. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
'There was tough talking...' | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
This doesn't say, "Buy me," this says, "Bury me." | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
'..and cage rattling.' | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
I think money sometimes might be a bit vulgar for you. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
'And now I'm back to catch up with some of them' | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
to find out what happened next. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
I'm on my way to Broughgammon Farm near Ballycastle in County Antrim | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
to meet Charlie Cole and his family. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
When I first met Charlie, I found him to be a charming young man | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
but perhaps a bit of a dilettante, even a flibbertigibbet. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
His initiative to bolster the family finances | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
was goat meat and harvesting seaweed. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Before that, it was bees, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:06 | |
and even earlier, it was a bull farm. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
And I began to wonder whether it wasn't just a load of old bull. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
We're very close to the north coast here which has a fantastic | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
seaweed resource which is under-utilised, probably, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
and the idea would be to pick it, bring it back here and process it. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
How many days a month can you harvest? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
And so that gives you about four days at each low tide | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
so it's about eight days in a month. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
Lying around for the rest of the time, are you? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Well, I'm not going on holiday. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
One gap in the market is goats. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
There's a lot of dairy farms with goats | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
and all the kids are surplus to that requirement. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
They're sort of... These are the boys? | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
They're being disposed of, yes, the boys. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
So the idea is to take them on and fatten them up for two months | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
on a milk-fed diet and that way, you get a very tasty meat, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
much like veal, at the end of it. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
No kidding. Exactly! | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
Charlie was full of enthusiasm, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
but he hadn't fully researched his market. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
There was a question of the seaweed licence - that took months - | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
but the really big issue was he had NO knowledge about rearing goats. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:08 | |
Let's talk about the goats. Give me a two-month cost on feeding. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Two-month cost, I think it works out as £50 a goat. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
Who's buying? Who's eating kid? Who's eating goat? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
Well, unfortunately, I haven't narrowed down an exact market. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
I don't have a guaranteed buyer. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
Quite a lot of THINKING. Yep. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
"I THINK this," and "I THINK that." | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Would you admit to me, be honest, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
you haven't drilled down deep enough yet on this? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
I've not. I've got a lot of numbers floating around my head. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Don't you DARE think you're in business | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
until you've researched every aspect. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
I really wanted Charlie to succeed. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
He had the right ingredients - | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
a good idea, in fact, two good ideas - | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
but he lacked focus. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
I introduced him to some experts and, my word, after that, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
my confidence REALLY soared. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Here we have some pepper dulce. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
This is probably the prime product. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
It only comes in very small batches and it's very difficult to find, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
but it tastes delicious. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
You know, the price we can get for this is far higher. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
It is. Isn't that amazing? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
So really, what we're looking at here is seaweed, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
but to the experienced eye, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
we're looking at lots of different types of seaweed. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Each one with a particular application, perhaps. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
The goat meat was an easier sell. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
I gathered together some chefs to give their opinion | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and, after that, I knew we were on to a winner. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
I'm finding the taste quite mild. I think it's delicious. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
I think that it's not just an alternative to lamb. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
I PREFER the texture to it than lamb. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
So what do you think of the taste of it? | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
Very nice, yeah. It's actually quite tender too. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
It's really, really hard to get goat's meat. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
I've been getting it from France | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
which is incredibly expensive and I would use it every week. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I've given him my card and everything! | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
So, the goat business was up and running. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Now, we turned our attention to the seaweed, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
and I arranged for Charlie to pitch to some potential buyers - | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
two ladies from Fortnum and Mason in London. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
And one idea we've come up with is our seaweed soak bath soak. Um... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
So we've got a little bit of salt falling out. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
This is it, and then the bag... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
You put this in the bath and it will then sort of expand. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
It grows by about five times. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
I'm concerned that, as we've said, it's a whole luxury market. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
We're asking our customers to sort of sit in the bath | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
with quite a large bag of seaweed. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Charlie fared better with Dublin-based Green Angel, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
a company specialising in skincare and seaweed products. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Would you be able to put it into some kind of bag? | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Bagging shouldn't be a problem. We've looked at doing it ourselves. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
We retail to around 500 pharmacies, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and if we start exporting, which is where we want to go... | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
We would be able to provide a competitive package | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
in comparison to a lot of the other producers, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
who would literally pick it and look for the immediate sale. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
So what you're saying is that | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
you're really going to do this more professionally? | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Obviously, if we were negotiating a contract, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
then we would be more sure of what our overheads are going to be | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
and we can then tie it down to a more competitive price. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
So do you feel, sort of, once we've tied down our cost, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
would you be happy for us to go forward | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
and discuss an actual contract and do business together, or...? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
I think we may be one step away from a deal. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
When I last met Charlie, he had finished the research | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
and was going straight into business on both fronts - | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
goat meat and seaweed. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Now, let's see whether he's made any real progress. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
Charlie. Lovely to see you again. Great to be back. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Long time no see! Looking forward to hearing a lot! | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Oh, plenty has happened. What's been going on? | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
We have been flat out. We've got lots of volunteers. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
So it's been really good? Absolutely manic. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
When I first met you just over a year ago, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
you made a declaration: "I don't want to be a millionaire. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
"I just want something to support the farm and the family." | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Have you achieved that? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
We're flying along. We are well and truly on the road. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
I wouldn't say that we'd made it, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
but we are now up to a 300-strong herd with the goats. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
On the back of that, we're now building a butchery facility. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
We've also established a good market stall, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
and we are now travelling around and being invited to tender for events, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
both doing fresh meat and cooked products. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
That wasn't on the cards last year. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
We worked out that if we can sell straight to the customer - hot food - | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
you get a bigger margin. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
And there are lots of us, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
and if we all chip in, it works. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
So Broughgammon, up and running at speed. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
Come on, let's go and have a look at this herd of yours. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Is it herd or flock? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
I don't know. We are sort of always debating this. 300! | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
My word, Charlie! How times have changed! | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
I saw a little stable, then I saw a caravan, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
now you've got two polytunnels. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
This is the big one. How many have you got in here? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
There's about 100 in here and they still follow you. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
I can get in there and run from end to end and they will follow me. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
It's not a game any more, is it? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
There is probably three out of every 30 you get really attached to. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
They still see you as Mum. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
Don't fall in love with them, cos you've got to slaughter them! | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
How many are you slaughtering a week? At the moment, about six. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
So this is the butchery we started there a couple of weeks ago. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
It was two disused hay sheds. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
The plan for in here is this is going to be the butchery workroom, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
then back to about here. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
And who is actually going to be doing the cutting, the butchery? | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
We will be doing the butchery ourselves. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
So, Mum, the brothers and I. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
Charlie, be careful. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
Those big choppers, you could do a lot of damage to yourself. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Still got ten! | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
So this is the seaweed-drying polytunnel. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
We built this literally just as you left last year. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
We are using the solar thermal energy to dry out the seaweed. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Every two weeks, you're looking at a low tide | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
and you would be out picking the seaweed. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Between the tides, 14 days, we've got a down period | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
where this isn't being utilised. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
So we found another income stream in the form of wheatgrass, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
and it contains all the goodness in them, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
and it's very popular at the minute in the smoothies market, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
so it works very well alongside the seaweed. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Charlie, if I cast my mind back, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
the original idea was get those kids for nothing, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
fatten them up, slaughter them, and sell the produce to restaurants, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
and now, I'm standing in YOUR restaurant. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Basically, we had a slight issue with our route to market. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
When we first started up, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
people weren't open-minded enough about the product, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
and we had to go out and we had to prove there was a market ourselves | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
and give them an entrance-level product like burgers and meatballs. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Something which everyone could cook at home. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Off the back of that, now the butchers and the restaurants | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
are suddenly interested in the product. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
Well, listen, I suppose the proof is in the eating. I'll have one. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
What would you like in it? I'll leave it to you. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
That looks wonderful. This tastes really good. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Really good. I'm not paying you for it. Cheeky! | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
So Charlie HAS secured the future of the family farm. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
He started out as a dilettante, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
but now with the family all around him, he's found his niche, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
particularly in the goat meat market, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
and I wish him and Broughgammon just the best of good fortune. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
I'm off to see Phillip Brown of Phil's Farm in County Armagh. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
He inherited his parents' 17-acre farm, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
but needed to turn his hobby into a money-making venture. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
His hobby - a small collection of animals. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
His idea - to create a mobile petting farm. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
And how many bookings could you do in a day? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
I wouldn't want to do any more than two, to be honest. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
You're not turning bookings down, are you? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
At the minute, I have had to. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
And pricing, what's the average sort of take, per visit? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
It would be, like, from £150 till maybe £300-400. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
My concern was that Phil would not be prepared to go all out | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
to fulfil his business potential. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
I want to ask you a very simple question. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
Is your Phil's Farm just for you, just to put bread on the table, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:17 | |
or are you a bit more ambitious? Do you want to spread your wings? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
Do you want to really grow a business? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
No, I want to get a business out of it. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
It's not...at the minute, it's just ticking over. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Shall I tell you what my plan is? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
What I'd like you to do is to rent a barn on a farm somewhere. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
To open a branch office, one in Donegal, or in Dundalk, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
or, I don't know, Sligo, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
with you providing the livestock, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
and suddenly, before you know where you are, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
you've got five or six and you're running a real business. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
My idea was to get Phil to rebrand. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Something more generic, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
something that would lend itself to a franchising operation. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
So I introduced him to graphic designer Mark Thompson, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
in a bid to make Phil understand | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
just how broad those marketing opportunities are. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
There's great creativity, certainly there is, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
but we're still...Phil's still there. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
Just think ahead ten years, when you might want, sort of to exit, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
and I just want to make it easier to exit, you know? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
There is another way which could solve the problem. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
The brand name, Farmtastic. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
There is the potential with a name like that | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
where you could start in the initial number of years | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
as Phil's Farmtastic, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
but then as it grows, you simply just drop off "Phil's" | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
and it becomes Farmtastic alone. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
I simply could not get Phil to move fast on anything, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
and I suddenly realised it wasn't a resistance to change. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
It was because he was up to here running the business, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
operational matters, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
and it was time for him to actually stand back, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
loosen the reins off, and delegate. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
I'd arranged for Phil to launch Phil's Farm | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
at the big St Patrick's Day parade in Monaghan, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
and I fully expected to see a new truck | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
with Farmtastic plastered across it and bags of merchandising. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
Let's have a look at the Jeep. You haven't seen it yet? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Phil's Farm. What about that global branding we were talking about? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
Well, I've got it, it's in here too, I've got it in here. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
Oh, you've tucked it up the front. Oh, aye. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
You're beginning quietly with the Farmtastic? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
We're going to break it in slowly. Look what difference that makes. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
This doesn't say anything to me. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Phil had the makings of a fun little business, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
and I'd like to see what he's been up to since I last saw him. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Is he now Dr Dolittle, or as I suspect, Dr Do-Nothing? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
So, how are you? Great to see you. We talked about branding. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
It's amazing! That's a change. I remember the little trailer. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
You can't miss it now, anyway! So business is coming on? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Business is booming at the minute. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
And have you released the reins a bit? Loosened your hold? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
Delegated to a certain extent, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
but still I have to keep an eye on things. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
But managing growth is a difficult thing. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Talking about growing, have you expanded the range? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
How's the zoo, the menagerie, the farm? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Going well. Do you want to have a look and see some of them? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Yeah. Love it. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
No chimpanzees, I suppose? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Not yet, anyway. Crocodiles? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:20 | |
I've met this little chap before. The alpaca. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
This is Joe. This is Joe. Brilliant. Lovely. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
What else have you got? Anything new? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
We've brought in two meerkats now, Itchy and Scratchy, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
which are a big hit at the minute. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Then we have two new wallabies as well. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
And then, of course, at Christmas time we have an extra two reindeer. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
We've now got four. Seasonal, but my word, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
when it's THEIR season, you make hay. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
We have some fairly big news as well from the last time you were here. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Since then I have purchased a new property - a new farm. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Oh, really? So it's Phil's FARMS! | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
I'll take you over now to let you have a look at it yourself. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
This is very good, isn't it? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
So, tell me this, the original farm, all right, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
the problem there was access, so you couldn't have visitors. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
So you bought this place, you've got a riding facility, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
you've got a big barn there. Yeah, with a big shed. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
You've got access, so you can bring school buses in. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Schools, birthday parties, different fun days. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
It's just to add something else that we can do. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
You seem to have added quite a lot of staff, actually, Phil. We have, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
we've 12 staff and myself now, to be able to run | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
all the units we have now we can run in one day. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
All the units? We now do up to four events now in one day. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
So you've got the four units going out there, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
you've made an investment in this place, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
and this is all funded out of trading? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
The mobile farm to be honest is doing well. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
We've went from being just a mobile farm in Ireland | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
to being the biggest mobile farm covering now the whole of Ireland. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
There was I saying Phil doesn't do much, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and Phil actually quietly does quite a lot. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
You've surprised me a bit. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
It takes something, doesn't it, to surprise you? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
It might have been a shaky start for Phil, but once he got his head round it, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
once he started motoring, well, there's been no stopping him. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
I reckon in a couple of years' time he'll be right across this country - Phil's Farms everywhere. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:22 | |
And now I'm on my way to Derrygonnelly | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
on the outskirts of Enniskillen in County Fermanagh, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
where I'll see Gordon Fallis who was really struggling to make his family farm pay | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
until he came up with the idea of a microbrewery. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
What really intrigued me about Gordon was his reluctance | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
to make lots of money - it simply wasn't his motive, he just wanted to make a living. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
I've never, ever before come across a businessman who didn't want to make as much money as possible. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:53 | |
Gordon built a microbrewery, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
and was scheduled to produce 1,000 bottles a week. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
We'll be able to produce 500 litres of beer, which'll translate into a thousand bottles. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
There's potential to run that three times a week, which would translate into 3,000 bottles a week. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
However, that would be at the very maximum end of capacity at the minute. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
3,000 bottles tells me that's not a big microbrewery. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
What I want to get out of this is a living for myself | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
and enable me to do my farming activities at the same time. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
I don't want to become the next Guinness or a millionaire really. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
I haven't run into many people like you. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Most people are driving for the most they can possibly get. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
They can't help themselves, they've got to keep growing. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
But you've said no, that's not what I'm about. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Reluctant or not, Gordon had to make a living | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
and the first challenge was to come up with a brand. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
I worked with a designer, and Gordon pushed on with his own scheme. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
I really want this to be sold as a Fermanagh beer, we've really got to tap into that. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
That, I can't read. That was an off-the-wall one. I think so. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
'In the end, we had a little compromise and Gordon was happy with it.' | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
Now, the next stage is production. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Yes. I think it's time. And when are we going to be actually tasting some beer? Pretty soon, I hope. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
It's time to fill some bottles with beer. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
After many missed deadlines and many fraught telephone calls, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Gordon's new beer was ready so I took him to London to launch it | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
at the Porterhouse in Covent Garden | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
under the scrutiny of the trade press and many buyers. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I'd feel more at home in a field in Fermanagh to be honest, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
and we're a long, long way from the bog lands of West Fermanagh here tonight. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
I hope you enjoy the beer - if you want to chat about it | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
come and have a word with me, mingle, do what | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
we do here in London, you know? Thanks again for coming, cheers. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Well done. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
It's not a crazily flavoursome beer. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
It's very drinkable, very quaffable. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Distinctive stands out for that first pint - you might not order the second one. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
This one's just about on the cusp. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
You can imagine having a second glass of this. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
He's nailed it, it's a great beer. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
It's obviously led by the consumer | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
but there's 24 bottles in a case, there's 24 hours in a day, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
so say ten cases a month - you know, something like that? | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
I mean, that's a nice gentle start for a fine beer. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
With all the pain of getting the Inishmacsaint brewery | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
up and running, and with talk of a volume buyer in London, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
I'm dying to see what happened next. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
You've brought the weather with you. I have. I hope you haven't sold out of your beer, have you? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
Cold ones in the fridge. Excellent. Come on, let's have one. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Well, here's to you. Good health. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
And when we first met, you were producing about 100 bottles a week. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
Now, what's the story today? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Most weeks we would be putting out 1,300 bottles. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
And you could push that up to? 2,000. Really. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
And you're enjoying the sales but not the distribution? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
I really need to be in the brewery getting the beer out. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
The distribution's taking up quite a bit of time. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
So how are you going to cope with that then? We are going to have to look at the way we're operating | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
and I think I'm going to have to get back into the brewery | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
and hand over the distribution to somebody else. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
And at the London launch there was a guy who was interested | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
in taking some product for the UK market. What happened? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
I was quite keen to supply some to London, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
but the demand at home here was so great that I thought to myself | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
it's more sensible to satisfy our local market. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
And I've heard locally that you sold into the Lough Erne Hotel during the G8 summit. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
Well, we supplied the hotel, and it appears that | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
the President of the US managed to get his hands on a bottle and tried it. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
Is that right? That's right. That's amazing. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
We've been in touch with his head chef. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
A communication from the White House? Yeah, we've an e-mail there and my dad met him. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
Isn't that brilliant? Yeah. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
Well, that's fantastic. You didn't get a picture of Obama with a pint? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Unfortunately not. That would have been worth its weight in gold. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
More than its weight in rubies! | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
How much would they sell for generally? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
I think they sell it for in and around £4.50. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
So call it £4. Say 2,000 bottles a week, that strikes me as being | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
8,000 at retail, and I hope you're getting a good slice of that? | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
Oh, yeah. There's a margin in it for me. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
You need a partner. You stay in the brewery - I'll do the driving. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
Might have a bit of work on your hands though cos we're moving further afield, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
we're heading into the South of Ireland now. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Oh, really? Into the Republic? My word. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
So what other things are you thinking about? | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
We completed an extension recently... | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Let's go have a look. Come on. Let's go. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Good heavens. We're going South then? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Oh, yeah. Definitely. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
So what have we got here, then? These are our fermenting vessels, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
we can get 3,000 litres of beer in here. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
So that's 6,000 bottles. That's right. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
And next door? Through here's the brewing end of the operation. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
OK. So that's fermenting and this is brewing, yeah? That's correct. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
And in there you can ferment 3,000 litres, 6,000 bottles | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
but the production capacity in the brewing side is 2,000 bottles. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
You've got to decide how fast you travel at this, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
and I think possibly you're a cautious man. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
You're going to eat the elephant in small pieces. Is that right? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
That's right. We'll not get carried away. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Not a bad idea. My word, how you've come on though. Inishmacsaint, my goodness me. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:17 | |
I'm delighted that Gordon's Inishmacsaint is doing so well. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
He still maintains he's a reluctant businessman, but the tide has turned. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
He enjoys selling, and he enjoys bringing in the extra money to sustain the farm and the family. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
He's got success, it's there - all he's got to do is reach out and seize it. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
Next on my hit list is Colin Heron of Tullyveery House, Killyleagh in County Down. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
He had the idea of opening up the family estate | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
and going into the lucrative wedding market. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Colin, good morning. Nick, welcome to Tullyveery. Thank you. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
This is probably my last serious opportunity to effect radical change here for the better. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
This area with this hard core that's about to be spread out and compacted | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
is the base area for where a marquee complex | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
which will take up to 250 people can be erected, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
and the client can configure that tent as they wish. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
And how much are you actually charging for that footprint? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
In this case it's £1,850, which is rather less than, actually, some of my competitors. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
£1,850. That's a flat fee? Yep. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Depends... I've only got 100 people, or I've got 250? Yeah, it's a flat fee. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
It's a flat fee? It's a flat fee. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
Colin needed to think about other forms of revenue | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
and I asked him to consider maybe American tourists, cruise ships - | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
and to test the water I arranged for a bus-load of WI women | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
to come down here to Tullyveery to be entertained and indeed enthralled by Colin. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:55 | |
Good morning. Welcome to Tullyveery. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
I don't know how far you've travelled, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
perhaps you want to come in and sort of check the house out first. Come on in! | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
Lunch is at 1 o'clock, so we've got a bit of time in hand. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
Do you want to have a potter round outside before you take your coats off? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
Sorry, I haven't brought you in, I'll take you out. Do you want to leave bags and things here? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
I had a professional career away from here until I was 55 and came home, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
had a hard look at it and thought it maybe has to do something to wash its face. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
So it's quite an interesting, complicated world but Northern Ireland's got a lot to offer. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
We're witnessing a very strange little scene here. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
One company's responsible for everything that happens on shore... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
This group is a sort of tour group. It's a trial tour group. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
What I have not nailed down yet is how much they're going to take off... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
But Colin's talking to them about almost everything he knows. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
Other than the sort of talk he would give to a tour group he's talking about the margins, the chef... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
"Not sure how much money the cruise liner would want | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
"because after all they've got their mooring fees in Belfast Harbour..." | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
It's a bizarre carry on. He's sort of emptying his heart to this group. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:21 | |
Who are not the slightest bit interested in hearing about this. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
If he were to do this to a genuine tour group of Americans, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I think they'd scuttle back to their ship double-quick. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I then piled on the pressure by sending a group of corporate types | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
for an evening of fine dining. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
No problem - Colin rose to the challenge OK. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Here, we are very close to Comber, which is the ancestral home of the Andrews family. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Americans who are interested in the whole Titanic memorabilia thing might be interested. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
There's 50 to 60 Titanic societies in the states, I believe. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
So there must be a market that can be tapped in for special fine dining dinners | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
or something to tie in with that. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
So Colin had lots of potential revenue streams, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
and I'm very keen to see just how many he's succeeded in exploiting. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
Colin, how are you? Lovely to see you back here. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Every time you come here the sun shines. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
Has Tullyveery ever looked better? | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
I have a big wedding tomorrow. Most of the guests tomorrow are Americans. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
They've come in from Florida, Philadelphia... It's their sort of weather. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
But I want to talk to you about the money. You love talking about the money. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
Eventually, it's always about the money. Of course. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Now, that is what I call a marquee, my word. That's magnificent. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
We've seated 160 in there for dinner quite easily, three weeks ago. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
It'll take up to 200, and up to 300 when people come along afterwards. So it'll take big numbers. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
Are you still sticking to the old footprint argument? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
"I sell you a bit of my garden, and of course I sell you me"? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
Well, we've two packages - I have a house fee which opens all doors, opens all areas, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:03 | |
and the marquee company offer a fantastically well-priced package, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
which means you know exactly from the outset when you add those two together | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
what it's going to cost you for a country house wedding here in a marquee. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
So we've got the wedding business, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
and then I was looking through some research papers the other day | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
and I noticed that there were actually a lot - maybe 60 - cruise ships, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
pulling into Belfast Harbour this year. Are you getting any business from them? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Yes. We're still working with a company in Dublin who control these, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
I've got four bookings for later on this month. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
For dinners, or...? No, afternoon teas. Country house afternoon tea. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
But you don't know really until the last minute because it depends | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
how many will select to come and take up this land-based option. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
So the teas are in-house? Teas are in house. Correct. Literally in the house, there's only up to 16. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
But we may, with some expansion of the facilities... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
I haven't seen this courtyard. No, this is all new since last year. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
So this is the old estate courtyard. Yes, it is. What's the plan here then? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
I discovered fairly early on that actually there was a gap | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
I couldn't actually meet the girls' needs | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
which was very small venues in the house and do a reception for them there. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
You could... Obviously the marquee can take anyone, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
but you need a certain minimum number to make a party in the marquee sing, 125 or more perhaps. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
And obviously there's the cost of the marquee. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
So, with some minor renovation the estate offices here, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
which I used to play table tennis in as a kid, that will seat | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
around 60 to 70, and 20 or 30, 40 friends that come along. I think this complex'll take 125 overall. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
So, big daddy weddings, mummy weddings, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
baby weddings in the house. Yes. Tell me something - | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
all this profitable? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
No wedding runs at a loss. Well done. Well done. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
And it doesn't impact on the beauty of the place. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
I think it's wonderful, I love it. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Just over a year ago, Colin Heron was on the cusp of starting | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
a wedding business. Since then he has done remarkable things - | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
the original objective, to secure the future of Tullyveery House. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
Has he done it? And then some. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
I've got no right to say this but, do you know something? I feel rather proud of Colin Heron. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
It hasn't all been plain sailing but I'm happy to say | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
that, for these farmers, our combined efforts have paid dividends. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
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