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Small family farms are in trouble... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
This hasn't seen any action for a while. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Business consultant Nick Hewer is going back | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
to his Northern Irish roots to help them diversify | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
and make radical changes, before they go under. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
What can you do with 17 acres? | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
But are the farmers ready for his advice? | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
I'm not a farming guru with all the answers, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
but having observed many companies over more than 40 years, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
what I can offer is a great big dollop of common sense. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
This series follows eight local farms embarking on a long term fight for survival. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
-You're not turning bookings down, are you? -There will be tough decisions... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
That source will pump for ever and a day. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
And they're going to sell it?! | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
But doing nothing is not an option... | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
-End of a long day, and for me, a depressing day. -OK. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
This week, Nick is on his way to see Mike and Rhonda Nurse. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
They own a 40 acre farm in Lisdillon, County Londonderry. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
For the last six years, they've been farming sheep and cattle. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
But all that is about to change. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I have some Limousine cattle and crossbreed breeding sheep. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
We're going to sell them all off to finance our new project. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
An ex-show jumper, Mike's first love is horses. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
He used to own horse yards in Scotland, and now he wants to build an equestrian centre | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
in Northern Ireland, with tourist accommodation attached. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Nick Hewer has been called in to help get the project off the ground. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
He's been with horses all his life. There's nothing he doesn't know. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
But what about business? Because after all, what have they got? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
They've got 40 acres and some old barns. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
And the challenge, by the beginning of the next tourist season, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
they've got a running and profitable concern. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
We do have a lot of experience in the equine business, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
but we don't have experience within the tourism business. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
-Mike? -Mr Hewer, it's a pleasure to meet you. -How are you? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
-It's a pleasure to meet you. -This is Rhonda? How are you? | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -Who's this? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
-This is Lawrie, my son. -Hello, Lawrie. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
-And this is Cassie. -How do you do? -And our mum, Nancy. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
-This is Mum? -Pleased to meet you. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
-How are you? -All right. -Are you keeping them under control? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
Yes! | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
Nick's got eight months to help establish the equestrian centre. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Today he's accompanied by his dog, Jasmine. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
The first job is to get a sense of the scale of the task ahead. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
So, what's happening here? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
What we're doing here, Nick, is this was our former dairy. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
We've ripped it all out and we've got it ready in preparation now to start to build all our stables. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:50 | |
-Hm-hmm. -So our first set of 15 stables will go in here. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
And directly behind us here will be the first cottage that we're going to build. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
-That'll be a cottage? -That will be the first stage of the cottage. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
Right. Had you in mind to pop a window in there? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
I think we might put one or two windows in, just to... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
You've got a wonderful view. Yeah, promise me you'll put a big window in! | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
I'll put a big window in, yeah! | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
That view is fabulous. I can see that as the sort of opening page | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
on your website. Have you got a website yet? | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Definitely. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
No, that's something that's on the agenda. We have to build a website. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Build that, yeah. It's not all you've got to build! | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
So when's number one coming on stream, do you reckon? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
We're going to start this in the second week of September. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
-OK. -The building work will start. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
When would you aim to open, you know, for the first paying customer? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
-Mid-April. -Mid-April? -About mid-April. -You're missing Easter? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
No, you can't miss Easter. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Do you think you can get him to get up earlier in the morning?! | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Maybe I might have to set the alarm a bit earlier in the morning! | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
-I think so! Let's go for Easter. -Mm-hmm. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
Well, not really, because the clients that I have | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
that have booked into the cottage aren't coming until April. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
But we could try and get early ones. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Yeah, yeah. It's a goal we could look at, actually. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
Mike will have to get up at dawn. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Before the Nurses even begin work on the cottages, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
they want to finish the stables and build a large indoor riding arena. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
-Where's this indoor area? -This is the indoor arena on the plan here. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
This is the indoor...? OK. So we've got the three cottages. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-This one ready for next Easter. All being well. -All being well. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
And, you know, all three will be completed by when? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
The other two cottages, Nick, are over a five year plan. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
-Because? -Well, there's no massive deadline push at this stage. -Yeah. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
I think what we've got here could be a sort of a David and Goliath task. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
Mike being David and this huge project being Goliath. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
My concern is that Goliath might win! | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
You know? He's got to get this lot done, by Easter. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
And that really is pushing it. I hope he knows what he's up to! | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
The scale of the task ahead is not the only worry. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
One important revenue stream for the Nurses will be | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
looking after other people's horses, known in the trade as livery. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
Nick knows the equestrian industry has been hit hard | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
by the current economic climate, so as part of his research, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
he's decided to go to another local riding yard | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
to see how they are holding up. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
I really want to find out whether the local market is as buoyant as ever, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
whether the recession is hitting business, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
the cost of livery is going up or down, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
is there pressure on margins? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
How is the market here in Londonderry? | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Is it on the up or is it stagnant? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
-So you started off with a livery. -Yep. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
You've gone into the riding school because livery didn't pay, or...? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Livery, after the economic downturn, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
we realised there wasn't as many new customers. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
So livery is still a bit flat. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
For us, I would say yes. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
You've a lot of competition locally, very price-competitive. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
What we do is DIY livery, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
so we provide feed in the morning | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
and feed in the evening | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
and that's £30 a week. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Full livery, for a pony, would be £45 | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
then for a horse, it would be £50 | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
and then, because we're a riding school, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
we also provide working livery. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
This is not a particularly prosperous part of Ulster. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
When you combine that with the fact | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
we're in the middle of a deep recession, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
you can understand there's huge, huge pressure on prices. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Here in this stable, they're charging between £50 and £30 a week | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
but there are other stables locally | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
and quite a lot of them charging down to £12.50 per week for livery. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
What does that tell us? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
That they are entering a hugely competitive market. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Breaking into the local livery scene will be tough | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
and establishing tourist accommodation could take years. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
Come on. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
As Mike and Rhonda show Nick the site for the indoor arena, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
Nick is praying there's at least part of this plan | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
that he can get excited about. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
So how much are you going to charge on a weekly basis, full livery? | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
It would be between £50 and £60 a week for a full livery horse. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
Expensive. Expensive. Because I've been snooping around | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
-and do you know something? Some of them are 50... -Yep. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
And then at the lower end, do you know, as low as £12.50 - | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
-not full, I accept that, DIY. -DIY. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
So OK, so suddenly, you're expensive... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
We're only looking for a small proportion of that market, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
a few livery horses. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Our main market drive is to be a training facility | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
for overseas clients, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
the tourism side of our business with holidaymakers coming to train, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
going to horse sales and all that involves. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
We have two very large horse sales here, four times a year. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Why wouldn't they just stay in a hotel like anybody else? | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Because they don't have an indoor arena or a horsebox | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
or somewhere to try the horse. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
OK. Now you're making sense. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
So that really is more of a sort of professional market? | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
-Yes. -Tourism, fine. Now we've got a professional market. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
-Absolutely. -There's a niche there. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
People coming to you with their horses | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
and with you and your indoor arena, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
training for a particular event or schooling | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
-or whatever it is they're doing? -Yep. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
'Well, Mike surprised us. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
'He's flown a rather juicy bone into the mix | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
'and it's called the professional market.' | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
That's a year-round business with lots to go for. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
I like it. I like it a lot. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
The professional riding market may be vital | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
but Nick is also convinced | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
the Nurses need to focus more energy on tourism. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
Nick knows it could take years for all the cottages to be ready. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
He's also convinced they can't afford to wait. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Luckily, he has a plan. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
So, you want to turn your property here at Lisdillon Road | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
into an equestrian centre. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
The heart of this operation is the horse, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
but it beats very close to another heart, which says it's accommodation. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
-Yes. -OK. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Here's my problem. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
I see the bottleneck as being the accommodation. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
One small one now. If it goes, you're going to get busy, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
and during the winter, hurry up and get another one and another one, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
and at the end of it, you'll only have three. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
Maybe you'll have six people in each. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
-Now here's what I want you to look at. -Yeah. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
Kids love horses | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
and I know that you don't want to mess up your professional market | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
with a load of children, but in the summer months, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
you might say, "The summer months are for my tourism market." | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
-OK? -Yes... | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
I've only got one cottage. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
What I want to do is to see how I could suddenly, like that, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
accommodate 30 young people | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
-and to make it more exciting for them... -Yes. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
to, say, come to your equestrian centre | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
and live in a wigwam or a yurt. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
I think they call it glamping. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
-Glamping with horses. -Yeah. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
-It'd be very unique. -It'd be brilliant. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
-It'd be something the kid's never done before. -That's right. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Tepees and other large tents | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
are becoming popular all over the UK and Ireland. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Combining them with children's summer riding camps | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
could provide a good injection of revenue | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
but the Nurses will need to start marketing soon | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
for all areas of their business. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
On the professional market, I know you've already got contacts | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and I think that at the moment, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
you see, your clientele is all word-of-mouth | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
and people you've dealt with, so I think what we really need to do | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
is to sit down and look at the markets. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
How to approach them, segment them, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
decide which ones you're going to go for. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
-Yeah. -And get that website up and running. -Yeah. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
It's been just over a month since Nick was here | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
and work has now started | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
on preparing the field for the indoor arena. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Soon the build will begin in earnest | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
which means the time has come to start selling off the livestock. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
After six years of building up his sheep and beef herds, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
saying goodbye won't be easy. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
You hold onto that wee rascal. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
'It's taken a while to build them up' | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
and my daughters, they're very attached to them | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
and I love having sheep myself | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
so I think we'll always have some about us, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
but we really have to sell all of them at this stage | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
to do the project. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Come on. Come on. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
This evening, Mike has come to Lisahally Auction. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
I'm getting too old to get in there! | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
It's taken years of planning | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
to get to the point when they're ready to start building. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Once the livestock are sold, there is no going back. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
AUCTIONEER: Here for sale at 140. Do I have 140? Another one, 140... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:53 | |
140, 140. And... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
I've a cheque in my hand, the first payment of the batch. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
I've got another five sales to do and this is the first payment | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
and I'm thrilled to bits. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
They made a fantastic price | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
and it'll really help towards the project. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
It's November, and the arena is progressing. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
The hardcore base is now down. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
The shed will arrive in the next few weeks. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Nick is keen to keep the push on marketing | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
and he has an idea. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
'So here's what I want you to do.' | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
I'll bring a group of potential summer campers up to see you | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
'and you show them a good time. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
'Have some horses, show them how to ride, take them on a trek,' | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
and we'll take pictures for the website. Let's pray it's a good day | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
'and we'll get some great feedback by way of testimonials, yeah?' | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, that sounds great. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
It will give you a sense of what to expect | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and also give you a sense of what obstacles you've got to overcome. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Yeah, I think it's a good idea. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
-Why not? -Yeah, we're up for that. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
'OK, good. Well, let's do it.' | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
It's the day of the photo shoot. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Down the road, Nick has horses and riders | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
waiting to pose for promotional pictures. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Unfortunately, high December winds have affected progress on the arena | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
and it will not be possible to let them onto the farm today. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
I was hoping we would have gone maybe a bit further, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
which would've enabled us to bring the horses up | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
-but no, it's not ready, is it? -No. -This is big. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Is it 40 metres? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:34 | |
40 metres, 22 metres wide. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
But not ready for the horses, but we've got a plan. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-We need to get those shots taken. -Definitely. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
And we have just the place for it. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
The farm may still be a building site | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
but Nick is determined to plough ahead with the shoot. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Bring the back legs around, yeah? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
Can you stand a wee bit closer to the horse? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
He's arranged to use the grounds of a nearby hotel. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Nick's also enlisted the help | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
of professional photographer Elaine Hill. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Given the choice, who would take photographs for a brochure or website | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
on a day like this for a summer equestrian centre? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
But we've got no choice. We need to do it now | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
to get that website, to get that material, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
that promotional material up and running | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
-so we can start pulling in people for next summer. -Good boy. Brilliant. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
We also want to show Mike, actually, that there's not only urgency | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
but professionalism. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
It's no good just throwing a couple of old snapshots up onto a website. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
People trawl the web with their eyes, yeah? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
You have to get them in five seconds or you've lost them forever. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Nick has also arranged for some shots around the city of Derry, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
to attract the tourist market. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Despite the windy weather, the shoot has gone well. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
The next stage of Nick's plan | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
is to get a website organised as quickly as possible. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
So that's quite nice for a generic shot for the front of the website. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
To help get Mike and Rhonda started, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
he has enlisted the help of graphic designer Alistair MacFarlane. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
That's a good-looking little pony, isn't it? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
'There is no way that we're all going to come out of this today | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
'with a finished website.' | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
No, not at all. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Today's exercise, really, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
is to establish the rough guidelines for a website | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
but more particularly, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
to talk him into explaining | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
exactly what his target market - or markets - are, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
because I think there are two markets | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
and I think he thinks there's only one. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Alistair has devised a front page of what will be an in-depth website, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
so let's have a look at what you've been up to, Alistair. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
OK, so this is a typical front page of a website | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
and you can obviously update this | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
and use it as a "Latest News" or certain posts. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
Have a look at the Lisdillon identity up there. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
This actually brings us to the point, Mike, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
because you're a seasoned professional horseman, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
ex-showjumper and all the rest of it. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
-Yes. -And you feel that that's your market | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
and to sort of sully it, in a sense, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
with the sort of leisure side, the pony side, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
would damage what you've striven to build up over the years. OK? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
I want you to agree with me | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
-because it would be nice... -OK! | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
..for you to say, "I want to embrace both of those markets." | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
-Good, OK. -You happy with that? -Yes. -Really? -It's what you want to do? | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
That cheers me up enormously | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
because what we've got, really, on the website at the moment | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
-is the sort of leisure side of it, haven't we? -Yes. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
And I would like to see both markets | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
and you can press a button and go into the professional market | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
or you can press another button and go into the leisure market. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
-Absolutely. -That's a good point. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Alistair's taken it a long way. It's got to be tidied up, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
but don't let's drag our feet now | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
because we need to get that up and running on the web | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
and stand by a computer for e-mails | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
and indeed, by the phone for orders, yeah? | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
It's the new year. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
The arena is not yet finished | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
but Mike is happy with progress. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
I think the arena is exactly where it should be. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
They've met all the dates, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:14 | |
everything's completely on schedule with it, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
if anything, ahead of it. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
So that's good. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Easter is in a couple of months | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
and although the barn has been cleared, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
the stables are still being built off-site. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Work won't even start on the cottage | 0:17:28 | 0:17:29 | |
until the arena and stables are in place. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
I do look about and I think, "Oh, my God, this is all to get done," | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
and that's quite stressful. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
Nick is determined to press ahead with promotion | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
and have a pre-Easter launch. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
The plan is to hold a horse-jumping event in the indoor arena. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
There is now just five weeks. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
So what about the launch? Is the arena ready? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
It's looking good, yeah. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
They have about a week to ten days, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
they're hoping to complete and have the arena functional. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
I'll chase up the tourism people and the press and get them there | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
because we really have to get some hype behind this place | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
-and get it launched properly. -Great. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
'We need those guys to give a good marketing push | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
-'at the time of the launch. Yeah?' -Definitely. Yeah. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
'And remember,' | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
Derry is the City of Culture. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:23 | |
There'll be a load of money floating around | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
-'and I want you to be there to take advantage of it.' -Yeah. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
With that in mind, I've been doing a bit of research | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
and I found a place down in Tipperary that has a summer camp business | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
and they can take up to £20,000 a week | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
and I want you to go and have a look at it. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Give you some confidence in what we're talking about. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
You'll see the possibilities at your place. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
-That's great. -OK. -We'll keep working hard. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
-Thanks, Nick. -That's fantastic, Nick. -Thanks a lot. Bye, now. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
For the last 20 years, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
Crossogue Equestrian has hosted residential children's summer camps. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
This is our new accommodation for the students | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
and we can accommodate 20 young guests. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Although Crossogue has dormitories rather than tepees, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
its business model of targeting young people | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
is similar to the one Nick is proposing. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
One of the dimensions which is unique about running a teenage programme is | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
it has to be something that is family-orientated. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
You've got to think, you have two children, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
would you like to send them? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Hopefully, today's visit | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
will persuade the Nurses to move forward on the tepee idea. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
-It's a bit different from what we would think about doing. -Yeah. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
But the basic, the core elements are there | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
that he's got equestrian facilities and so do we. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
It's connected with the horses. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
It's not just they're English-speaking, they're students from abroad. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-The horse is key. -The horse is the key. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
It looks like the visit has worked. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Whether they push ahead with tepees this year is another question. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
I think there's just quite a bit we'll take away from it | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
in relation to return business and where his market comes from | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and how he's built that up over the years | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
but I think it's something we'll probably look into | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
and it's something we may well do, actually, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
maybe into our second year, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
but I think it's something that could work well in the North for us. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
We could be a new market that... As far as I'm aware, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
there isn't anywhere in the North that does this type of thing, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
so I think it's a good potential for us, yeah. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Nick is on business in London | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
and Mike is on the phone with bad news. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
With just a few weeks to go until the launch, he wants to postpone. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
June? Oh, right, OK. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Oh, I was really hoping we'd get the start of the season, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
you know, the Easter rush. No chance of getting it done, no? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
The Nurses have decided they would rather wait until the summer. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
For Nick, it's a big disappointment. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
My anxiety was really to kick it off at the beginning of the season. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
I don't need to tell you, you've been in business long enough, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
to know that it's all a question of timing and catching the market, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
but listen, I'll... | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
I'll get over my disappointment, don't worry. I'm a tough old bird. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
I'll see you in a few weeks. All right. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
That is... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
Actually, driver, can you pull over just here? That's lovely. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
That is a blow, you know, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
because we were really going to try and catch the market. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
Oh, damn. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:28 | |
Well, we are where we are. That's the truth of it | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
but now, of course, I've got to start unravelling things. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
I've invited all sorts of people to this great launch | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
and now I'll have to cancel them. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
We have scheduled for the Lord Mayor | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
to come to Lisdillon Equestrian Centre next Friday. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
I'm afraid we've hit a bit of a hitch. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
We'll be back to you as soon as we've got a new date. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Is that Robin? | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
I know you're all ready to bring the tepees and so forth, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
but we'll have to put it off for a while. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
Hi, Martin, how are you? It's Nick Hewer | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
from Lisdillon Equestrian Centre, sort of! | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
And it's just not going to be ready. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Thanks for your understanding. Cheerio, now. Bye. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
God, I hate doing that! | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
It makes me look as though I'm to blame. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
I hate letting people down. I really do. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Today is the proposed date of the launch, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
but it's builders who are here rather than the press. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Although the indoor arena has got its sand, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
the stables are still to be fitted | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
and work on the cottage has yet to begin. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
According to the Nurses' original business plan, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
work is under budget and ahead of schedule. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Nick sees things differently. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
Well, I'm on my way to see the Nurses, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
I guess for the last time, really, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
and it's so frustrating. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
The launch is delayed | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
and my fear is, not only have they missed Easter, for that's for sure, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
but they're risking that they'll miss the summer season as well. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
Nick's push to have a launch in time for Easter might have failed | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
but today, he still wants to keep the pressure on. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
So when, realistically, looking me dead in the eye, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
will you be ready to launch in here? | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Well, the place will be ready, the arena to use, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
in a week to ten days. When we want to launch it, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
we've decided the summertime when the flowers are out | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
-and the place is tidier. -Tidied up and we're ready for it. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
All right. It may be that I was unrealistically pushing you, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
because what I didn't want to happen was that you'd miss a season | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
because you know the year is chopped into seasons | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
and to get the Easter season, you have to go before Christmas, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
to get the summer, you have to go after Christmas. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
That's a long time away, and so there's a missed opportunity | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
and you have to wait for revenue that could have come in this Easter. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
-You're going to have to wait until next Easter. -Yes. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
And that sounds to me like a bit of a long wait. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
We're very happy with the process that we're been involved in | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
and as I said, that we're still ahead of schedule | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
on the equestrian side of it. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
Our main point of our season, of course, is the autumn season | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
for the sales, when people come and stay with us | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
and we can take them to sales. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
What you're talking about now | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
is your beloved professional side of the business. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
-Yes. -Am I right? -Absolutely. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
Because what I was also talking about | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
being seasonal and the Easter business and the summer business, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
was more the sort of, I suppose, the consumer end of it. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
-That's right. -People staying in your cottages. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
-Tourism end, yeah. -And dare I mention the dreaded word "tepee?" | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Not at all. It's more welcoming. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
We're very excited about the tepee idea. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
I've got something to show you. Come on, let's have a look at this. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
-OK. -You've brought us a tepee? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Let's talk tepees. All right? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Tepees cost £3,000, right? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
-OK. -And if you buy four of them, you've have to lay out 12 grand. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
-12 grand, yeah. -And each tepee holds four children. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
-Yup? -Yeah. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
And each child pays 500 quid a week, right? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
By 500 quid equals... | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
..£2,000 a week per tepee. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah. -Times... | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
How many tepees have we got? | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
-Four. -Thank you. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
-That's 8,000 a week, all right? -OK. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
-How much have you paid for these tepees? -12K. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
12K. In a week and a half, you've paid it off and you're in profit. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
-Yeah. -That's not bad, is it? | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
-It's pretty good. -And in a six-week summer, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
-that is how much? -48, OK. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
Thank you. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
£48,000. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
A couple of years' time, you'll be in Barbados. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Yeah, we've grown to the idea of the tepees, we certainly have. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
The Nurses are beginning to embrace the summer camp idea | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
but after eight months, Nick is struggling | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
to think of anything else he has managed to achieve. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
'Maybe they've got something out of it in terms of marketing | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
'and in terms of the sort of seasonality of the tourist business' | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
but I think, actually, they're really interested in their professional | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
horse, equestrian side of things | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
and they've been just jolly polite | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
and have gone their own sweet way. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-Well, I must go. -OK. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
-I'm a bit disappointed. -Yep. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
You know, I just really wanted to see the bloody thing up and running. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
-Yeah, me too. But we're not far away. -But anyway, keep focused, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
keep pushing, market like crazy, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
-and good luck to you both. -Thanks very much. Thank you, Nick. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
-A pleasure having you, Nick. Safe journey. -All right. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
-OK, bye-bye, now. -Bye, now. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
'I think Nick was a bit disappointed | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
'he wasn't here to see our sort of showcase' | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
and our launch, which will be the summertime. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
I suppose according to our business plan, we are on schedule. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Actually, we're probably a bit ahead of schedule | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
so the summertime is perfect for us. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
His schedule and our schedule just... | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
We couldn't just bring them quite together. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
-That's...that's life. -Yeah. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
It's summer, and a year after Nick's first visit, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
the arena is finally up and running. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
However, there is still no sign of the website | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
and there has been no further progress on the cottages. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
The Nurses have missed another season deadline. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Slightly frustrating for Nick, because he wanted to see that all. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
All being well at this point, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
we should hope to complete our first cottage, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
moving into our second cottage by January 2013. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
I think it was probably quite ambitious | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
to have them ready for the summer season, given, as you can see, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
the kind of size of the project we have here. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
At least Mike and Rhonda have finally opened their minds | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
to one of Nick's suggestions. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
In relation to the tepees, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
that idea has led us on to the idea now | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
to build a small lake | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
because they're getting a big demand | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
for people that want to do camping with a bit of fishing. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
Although they constantly clashed over the schedule, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
Mike and Rhonda are still grateful for Nick's advice. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
I think Nick was enthusiastic and very supportive | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
and felt that it was a good business idea, it was a good diversification. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
You have to be true to yourself and work to what you've set out to do | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
and if it clashes a wee bit, well, that's life, isn't it? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
But, you know, I think it's all good in the end. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
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