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Small family farms are in trouble. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
This hasn't seen any action for a while. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Business consultant Nick Hewer is going back to his Northern Irish roots | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
to help them diversify and make radical changes before they go under. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
What can you do with 17 acres? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
But are the farmers ready for his advice? | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
I'm not a farming guru with all the answers, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
but having observed many companies over more than 40 years, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
what I can offer is a great big dollop of common sense. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
This series follows eight local farms embarking on a long-term fight for survival. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:39 | |
-You're not turning bookings down, are you? -There will be tough decisions. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
That source will pump forever and a day and they're going to sell it? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
But doing nothing is not an option. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
-End of a long day, and for me, a depressing day. -OK. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
This week, Nick is in County Armagh. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Phil Brown has taken back the 17-acre family farm | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
last farmed by his grandparents. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
He's given up his car sales job and committed full-time. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Somehow he has to make it work. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Most farmers are trying to get out of farming | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
but I want to do something I enjoy. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
I don't think by any means I'll be a millionaire | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
or make my fortune at it. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Since the age of 12, Phil has been collecting animals. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
A few months ago, he decided to turn his hobby into a business | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
and set up a mobile petting farm. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
He's called it Phil's Farm. Nick Hewer has been called in to help. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
So I'm on my way | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
to meet Northern Ireland's answer to Doctor Dolittle. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
He thinks he's got a business. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I really hope he has got a business because it could be a fun business. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
Fun or not, Nick knows making a living from 17 acres is incredibly difficult. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:05 | |
He's got just eight months. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
It has to work 110%. This is now my livelihood. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
-Morning, Phil. -Morning. -How are you? -Nice to meet you. -Who's this? -Holly. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
-Holly? -Holly's a wee Jack Russell, a miniature Jack Russell. -A good sport. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
-And you're surrounded with animals, a lot of them quite small. -Yeah. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
-Like this chap. -The smaller the better! | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Nick's first task is to get a feel for the business, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
once the formal introductions are out of the way. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
-Here's George! -Here's George. -George the what? -George is a micro-pig. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
NICK CHUCKLES | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
-Who's giving me the eye here? -These are alpacas. That's Joe. -Joe? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
-Who's this? -This is Victor. -Victor? They've all got names? -Yeah. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
Why is that? | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
When I go anywhere, everybody wants to know, even the adults. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
Everybody wants to have a name. They have to have a personality. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
Phil is already getting bookings but he's struggling to cope. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
His only transportation is a Jeep and this trailer. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
It's quite small, isn't it? You get them all in here, do you? | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Well, some of them go in the boot of the Jeep as well. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
How many do you get in here? | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
The bigger ones, maybe two or three, like a lamb and an alpaca. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Phil's transport is inadequate and Nick's about to find out | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
it's not the only fundamental flaw in Phil's current business plan. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
How many bookings could you do in a day? | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
I wouldn't want to do any more than two, to be honest. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
I've even tried, earlier on in the year, to do one in the morning and one in the afternoon | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
and you're kind of rushing from one to the other. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
I'd rather go to somewhere and spend a bit longer and do the thing properly. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
So you're limited really? Two max? Max. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
If you've got a booking at the far end of Donegal, you can only do one. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
I have to have enough animals. Animals can't be taken every day. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
-You're not turning bookings down, are you? -At the minute I have had to. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
And pricing, what's the average sort of take per visit? | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
It will be from £150 maybe to £300-£400. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
There is a business here. There's a business here that has no ambition. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
It can't have ambition because the scope and growth potential of the business | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
is limited by Phil's ability to fulfil bookings himself. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:39 | |
There's a ceiling that this business can never break through in its current form | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
and that's what we've got to address. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Phil's business is not sustainable in the long-term. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
The time has come to get serious. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I want to ask you a very simple question. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Is your Phil's Farm just for you, just to put bread on the table | 0:05:00 | 0:05:07 | |
or are you a bit more ambitious? | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Do you want to spread your wings, really grow a business? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
No, I want to get a business out of it. It's not... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
At the minute it's just ticking over. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
I could almost tell you now what your maximum earning capacity is | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
because it's all down just to you. It's you. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
-But this is just the start. -Have you got a plan for the future? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
-Shall I tell you what my plan is? -Yes. -OK. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
What I'd like you to do is to rent a barn on a farm somewhere, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
to open a branch office in Donegal or Dundalk or, I don't know, Sligo, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
with you providing the livestock. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Suddenly before you know where you are, you've got, I don't know, five or six | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
and you're running a real business. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Nick is convinced the only way Phil's 17-acre farm will survive | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
is by expanding and opening mobile farm branches all over the island of Ireland. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
Before he can do that, he needs to make his business future-proof. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
So we're going to have to look, perhaps, at rebranding. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Phil's Farm, and you're going to hate this, changes its name. Why? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
Phil's Farm is only relevant when you're around because you're Phil. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
Can I turn to your transportation problem? I see it as a problem, you don't! | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
There are two problems there. First, it's too small. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
Secondly, where's the branding? No branding. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
You've got the perfect opportunity to have two billboards, one either side, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
rushing round the countryside informing people that you exist. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
-Where would you go to get that? -Well, we'll have to find somebody and point you in the right direction. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
What I'm trying to shape up for you is something that you could build, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
earn well from it, and sell it, maybe, one day. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
Expansion will increase Phil's turnover | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
but in the short-term new transport and rebranding will cost money. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
Fortunately, Nick has an idea that will bring in extra revenue immediately. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
There are petting farms in the greater centres of population | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
but they can do all the other things that you can't do. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
You can't really have a gift shop attached to the other end of the van. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
You've got to try and get some of that, inasmuch as is possible, in a mobile environment. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
For instance, some sort of photo booth. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Take a picture of the kids sitting on the llama or the goat or whatever it is. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
But you've got a goer here, you really have. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
You've got a goer that's capable of growing and that is the important thing. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
'What's really excited me is that he's done no marketing at all | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
'and yet the business is coming to him.' | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
I wonder whether he's got the real will to drive this into a national business. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:56 | |
Nick has left Phil with a lot to think about. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
But running around after school and children's party bookings | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
is making it impossible to concentrate on Nick's plans for expansion. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
He's still only one, still one. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Back at the farm, one of Phil's micro-pigs has had piglets. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
Four boys and four girls. Three pink-and-black and five pink. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
As long as they're warm. Pigs are always happy when they're warm. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Phil has also invested in some reindeer | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
which he plans to use for his seasonal bookings. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
As well as feeding and cleaning, every animal needs extra handling | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
to make sure it's tame enough for the public. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
This is time-consuming. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
With over 100 animals, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
the only thing that isn't being looked after is Phil's business. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
It's been two months since Nick's visit | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
and there's still no progress on the expansion plan. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
Nick is getting worried. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
We talked about creating a name that would have a national appeal, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
that wouldn't be tied to you specifically. So how's that doing? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
I haven't asked anybody to come up with different names, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
just with trying to organise different things for Christmas. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
I know it is something I really would need to be doing. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
I haven't ruled it out but I haven't ruled it in, if you know what I mean. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
-No, no, I understand. We need to get this thing moving forward. -Yes. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
With so little progress, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Nick at least wants to push ahead with merchandising. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
He wants Phil to use his reindeer and go after the Santa's grotto market. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
From what I understand, you're looking to get into some reindeer, which I think is a great idea. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:48 | |
So I've got a challenge for you, to get you thinking about merchandising | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
and adding extra value to what you're currently offering. Get a sleigh made. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
The kids can sit in the sleigh with a Santa. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Take pictures of them and then take orders for cards. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
It could be a very lucrative sideline coming up to Christmas. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
-You could roll it right out across every town in the North. -Yeah. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
When I see you next, let's get a pitch and see how it works. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
It's December at The Quays Shopping Centre in Newry. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Nick is back to oversee his merchandising challenge. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
-You've got Santa. And the reindeer. Are you happy? -So far, so good. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:32 | |
Brilliant, brilliant. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
-Are you fixed for a job? -Why? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Excuse me! | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
You're Santa's little helper. I'm Phil's helper! | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
Although Phil has decided against selling bespoke Christmas cards, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
he is offering photos at £10 each. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
His girlfriend Vicky, a professional photographer, is taking the pictures. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
Great. Thank you. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
They've got a good pitch near the entrance but Nick is not happy. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
I accept, you know, that Vicky is taking the pictures. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
I'm not altogether sure she should have her wedding advertisement poster up. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
There's a box there over which you can easily trip. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Shall I tell you the biggest worry that I have? It's not a worry. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
It is a criticism and that is that there's nobody saying, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
"Roll up. Madam, would your children like their picture taken with the reindeer?" | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
There's nobody bringing them in. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
You're waiting for people to come and see what this is all about. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
It's a short season and a short day, and you've got people to pay here too. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
-How much do you want to take? 1,000 quid? -I'd like to. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
It would be a great day, but I tell you what, at this rate, probably not. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
The reindeer and sleigh have cost Phil around £8,000. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
And there's only a few weeks to make the money back. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Despite Nick's advice, Phil is still struggling to make many sales. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Nick is getting increasingly frustrated. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
The whole point is you have somebody front of house attracting people in, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:14 | |
but the guy with the heap of leaflets is further up the road, giving them out | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
so they've got time to read them as they approach the site. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
There's no point giving leaflets out in front of the entrance. They're already there. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
-These leaflets should be given out further up at the end, do you know what I mean? -Yeah. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
They're all coming down this way. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
There's a wee leaflet, if you want to get your picture taken. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Sorry, excuse me. There's a wee leaflet there, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
if you want to get your picture taken with the reindeer. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
It's maybe a bit late to be doing this now. It's gone a bit too quiet. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
If I get anybody at this stage it's a bonus. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Today was Phil's first attempt to expand into merchandising. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
Hopefully it's been a valuable experience, whatever the final turnover. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Sorry. There's a wee leaflet, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
if you want your children taken with Santa Claus and the reindeer. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
We're only here for today. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
I have learnt a lot from today. The whole thing was new, the photo shoot thing. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
It's not something I've done. And the reindeer and sleigh. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
There's a wee flyer. You have one? Thank you. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Even small things, like keeping them clean | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
and keeping people away from them and keeping hazards away. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
Today was always going to be a learning curve, something we built on for the future. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
Phil's target today was £1,000. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
It's time to see if he got anywhere close. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
It's near enough the end of the day. What sort of money have you taken so far? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
-At an estimate, round about £600. -600? All right. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
So on a good day, properly organised, with a bit more of a run at it, you could make a thousand. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:49 | |
The reason this challenge was set was so that you could think about merchandising. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
You've got the experience for kids, you're taking money for photographs | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
but Christmas cards would have been a great idea for merchandising, which is a volume issue. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
One Christmas card you sell for two quid. You sell 30, excuse me, that's 60 quid. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:07 | |
-That's very good profit. -It is. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
I probably will do Christmas cards and probably even keyrings the next time. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
Tonight, for the first night, I wanted to keep it simple. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
You've tasted success. There is a business here. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
And we're going to sort that out another day. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
-Anyway, well done. -Thank you. -OK. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
Nick is convinced that the name Phil's Farm is holding the business back, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
so he's sent in branding expert Mark Thompson to work on a new name and logo. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
Today they have come to Cortamlet Primary School. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
We are going to help Phil to rename his mobile petting farm. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:46 | |
Nick knows primary schools are Phil's biggest customers. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
Hopefully the children will help Mark and Phil produce a brand | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
that has the potential for expansion. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
One of the things that I often do with other clients is focus groups. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
So you test your ideas on the target audience. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
You just get a freshness of thinking. It can be really exciting. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
You can get some real nuggets in there. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
What's your name going to be? | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
-Farm On The Move. -Farm On The Move. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
That would go well with a cow, wouldn't it? Mooove! | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
The children have come up with plenty to think about. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
The question is, will it be enough to convince Phil to change the name? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
There was a couple that did stand out, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
for example, on cows, Farm On The Mooove. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
But it's not something that I'll think of overnight and say, "Right, we're going with this." | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
Nick's back to keep the pressure on the name change and expansion plan. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
Today they have come to one of Northern Ireland's biggest horsebox companies. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
They're looking at suitable transport for Phil's animals. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Mark Thompson is also here to think about the vehicle's branding. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
-What do you reckon? -Wouldn't mind one of these. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
One day! One day, Phil, a fleet of them. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
This is a stall for five horses. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Nick is hoping the visit will encourage Phil to think big and get rid of the old trailer. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
You're talking £170,000 here. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
But Phil's budget is tight. It wouldn't stretch to more than £30,000. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
Not big enough for you? | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Something in between the two is what I would need. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Something about 20 foot, a useful area in the back of it, probably a 7.5 tonne chassis. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:37 | |
So on a seven tonne chassis, what sort of price? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Round about £80,000 with a brand-new chassis on it. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Obviously we'll do a conversion. You're taking £20,000 or £30,000 off the price straightaway. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
Phil may need to up his investment but the size of the vehicle | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
is not the only thing that Nick wants Phil to think about. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
We've had a good old look around here | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
but all the conversation has revolved around layout and price and size and cost. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
What we haven't discussed, really, is visibility and that's hugely important. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
What we're looking at here is a mobile advertising hoarding full of animals, right? | 0:17:07 | 0:17:13 | |
We haven't touched on it. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
You could wrap the entire vehicle and do something eye-catching and full-colour all the way round. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
Or you could do something as simple as putting your logo, "Phil's Farm", on the side and bonnet. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
Phil's what? Phil's Farm? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
I thought we had shelved that idea. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
I've got a few ideas that I want to share. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Have we got a fight on our hands? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
It's too cold to discuss it out here. Let's have a brawl inside. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Nick's expansion plan hinged on changing the name. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
The fact that "Phil's Farm" is still in the mix is a bit of a bombshell. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
I think you can keep "Phil's Farm" very much as the core of what the business is all about. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
Rather than using an ordinary word like "mobile", | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
you could do something a wee bit more playful and have On The Mooove, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
which was one of the lines that we used, just as a tagline. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
-I like this. -That is good with the animals. -I like that. It's fun. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
On a big vehicle, that would look terrific. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
There's great creativity, certainly, but Phil's still there. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
My reservation is, he's Phil. People expect to see Phil. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
With "Phil's Farm", it is nice, even if it does move on, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
that I know and other people will know that it will come back. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
It will come back and they will know that I was Phil of Phil's Farm. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Make sure it's not vanity, Phil. Make sure it's not vanity. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
It's a powerful emotion. Anyway, carry on. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
It's something I put a lot of thought into before I did come up with it. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
I did come up with 20 or 30 names. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
"Phil's Farm" is short and sweet and very, very catchy. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Just think ahead ten years when you might want to exit. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
I just want to make it easier to exit, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
knock over some hurdles that might appear. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
There is another way which could solve the problem. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
The brand name Farmtastic. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
There's the potential with a name like that | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
where you could start in the initial number of years as Phil's Farmtastic, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
but as it grows, you simply drop off "Phil's" and it becomes Farmtastic alone. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
What you're saying is for the moment satisfy Phil by keeping him in | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
and then you can drop the "Phil". Except he won't. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
So he's just keeping me happy by saying he'll drop it and he won't. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
At least you're structuring something for the future. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
There's a lot now suddenly going on. We're looking at vehicles, this sort of thing, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
and what I want to do, really, is say, "Look, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
"in three months' time, let's set a target," and that is we have a new van, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
we'll have registered Farmtastic, hopefully, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
we'll have a big launch and the launch will involve you opening up in a new area | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
to show the first step in an expansion programme. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
It's spring and Phil's Farm is busy with new arrivals. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
There is now just over a month to go until Nick's challenge. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
With so many mouths to feed and no sign of full-time staff, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
progress on expansion has been non-existent. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
Phil thinks Nick is pushing him too fast. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I think what Nick's saying is definitely right | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
but I think he's a bit further on down the line. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
I think he's expecting a wee bit too much. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Before I can do anything, morning and night, everything has to be fed. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
The animals have to be looked after first and when you get time, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
that's when I need to start trying to do things to try and expand. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
At the minute, what I need to do comes first. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Until then, I need to keep juggling away and doing what I have to do. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Nick's determined not to give up the fight. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
He's on the phone to finalise the details of his challenge. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
I've got some good news for you. At least I think it's good news. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
-We've got a pitch in Monaghan on the St Patrick's Day parade. -Good. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
For me it's a chance to show that you're expanding the business, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
an opportunity, maybe, to show you're open to taking on some new staff. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
And, of course, you're expanding into the South. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
What I'm sort of concerned about slightly, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
or certainly wondering about, is what are we launching? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Do you have any new marketing in place? What about the truck? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
I looked at a truck, actually, on Friday. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
I looked at another one on Saturday, just to try and see. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
It's just to come up with something that actually ties in | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
and something that will be fairly suitable for me. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
-What about the name? -I am going to keep the name | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
but I'm going to use the other things around it as well, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
like On The Mooove and Farmtastic | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
and those ideas as well that all tie into it as well. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
The thing is, if I can be a bit gentle about this, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
the slight lack of progress is down to the fact you're doing it all on your own. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
Of course that's part of the problem, you know. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
What we've got to do is look at ways of growing the business | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
because if you don't grow it, it simply won't survive. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
We've only got a month to go. We have to make this launch as professional as possible. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
-You with me? -Yes, yes, exactly. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
The Farmtastic logo that we have, can we put it round the wheel arch? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
There is now just a week to go until Phil launches down south. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
Today he is finally branding the Jeep. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
It's not the big truck that Nick was hoping for | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
and Phil is still using the old logo, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
but at least the Farmtastic brand will get its first public outing. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
It is going to be bigger than I ever thought, to be honest. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
It is a bit strange, seeing... I never ever thought I was going to be my own boss | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
but it is becoming more of a reality rather than just something you always hoped would happen. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
It's all part of the future now. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
It's St Patrick's Day. Nick is on his way to Monaghan. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
Today Phil launches his mobile petting farm to a whole new market | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
but Nick's still not sure what to expect. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
What I'd like to see today is a big truck | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
with Farmtastic splashed down the side of it, bags of merchandising, bags of branding, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
with Phil pushing the whole thing as an all-Ireland concern. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
I've got my doubts but there's no harm in dreaming, I suppose. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Let's have a look at the Jeep. Phil's Farm. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
What about that global branding we were talking about? | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
-I've got it. It's in here too. -Oh, you've tucked it up the front. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
-You're beginning quietly with Farmtastic. -We're getting there. We're breaking it in slowly. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
-Is that...? -We're going to get bigger and then when we get a lorry... | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Look what a difference that makes. This doesn't say anything to me. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
Have you got your eyes on a truck? Are you really making progress? | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
That's the one I saw eight months ago. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
-It's not going to be part of the parade. Don't worry about that. -All right. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
Well, Phil's disappointed me again. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
This is meant to be a launch, a launch into the South. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
To me it just looks like another booking. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
I fixed it - he's not even getting paid, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
but if there's anything to rescue from it, people seem to like it and he's talking to them. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:36 | |
Despite the poor weather, the turnout is good. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
The next hour is about telling as many people as possible about Phil's Farm and Farmtastic. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:47 | |
It's my great pleasure to have been working over the months with Phil's Farm, part of Farmtastic. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
It's our first time in Monaghan, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
so thank you very much indeed for allowing us in. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Thank you very much for having us. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
See you again and happy St Patrick's Day. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Today was not quite the all-Ireland launch that Nick had visualised, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
but despite Nick's misgivings, Phil is more than happy. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
Oh, definitely. Today was definitely worthwhile, without a doubt. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
On the stand this morning, before the parade, there was a lot of interest. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
People were very interested in different events. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
I'd like to think I'll get a lot out of today. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
'Phil's problem is that he won't delegate. He's got to be in control of everything.' | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
Unless he changes his attitude, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
he'll always be a little one-man band, or one-man farm in his case. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:46 | |
When we met for the first time all those months ago, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
I posed the question, "Do you want to be an entrepreneur, expand the business?" | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Or do you really just want to put food on the table? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
You said, "No, no, no. I want to build a business." | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Do you know something? I think you've fallen into that classic start-up business mentality | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
where the owner is the only person there and they do everything. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
They don't trust anybody else to do it as well as they do cos they know where everything is. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
I think if you got on the phone, you would be amazed. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
You wouldn't have to worry about all the ancillary stuff. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
You would build a business in no time at all. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
I know it's all about delegating and getting people, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
but if I start up a branch in Galway and I franchise it and I put somebody in charge of it, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
if next year they get all the bookings, next year they'll have all them in the diary, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
all the contacts, and they can ring up and say, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
"To be honest, we're not working under Phil's Farm or Farmtastic, whatever. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
-"We have now changed our name to whatever." -Yeah. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
When you employ them there are certain contractual conditions | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
that can slow them down on that sort of thing | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
but also you've got to create and strengthen the brand | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
so that when you're selling in the brand, "It's Phil's Farm we want. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
"It's Farmtastic we want, because we know their quality control, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
"they've got the respect and support." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
But I think the big thing is that what you don't realise | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
is that you are a good businessman but you love the business so much | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
you can't get your sticky fingers off the day-to-day stuff. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
That's the truth of it. You love it. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Sometimes you've got to say, "I've got to stand back, turn around, and do the business on the phone." | 0:27:21 | 0:27:28 | |
I think every now and then I get stuck in a rut | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
and I do need a kick up the backside and a push. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
There's nothing easier, Phil, than saying, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
"Hey, this is fun. The phone is ringing and I'm doing OK. Life's good." | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
Life could be better if you just released yourself. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
When I first got together with Phil eight months ago, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
we sketched out some sort of route plan, a framework for his business. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
I rather wish we'd got a bit further with it, frankly. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Coloured it in a bit, moved forward in some sort of visible way. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
He's got a great business opportunity here, you know. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
I truly, truly believe it, but we're now at a crossroads. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
He can do nothing, just carry on, a one-man band, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
or take some proper, crucial decisions and lay the foundations for an expanding nationwide business. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:18 | |
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