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Small farms and rural businesses are in crisis. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
We've put our life savings into it. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
A tough economic climate and depressed agricultural markets | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
are bringing the countryside to its knees. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
If we get a very bad year, we'll just have to go bankrupt. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
'I'm Nick Hewer, and I'm returning to my Northern Irish roots...' | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
It's my country. What are you doing here? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
I've never heard of Ballyclare. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
'..to help these farms and rural businesses diversify.' | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
I'm no farming expert, but I do know what it takes for a farming business | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
to survive in these tough economic times. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
You deal with the horse, shoot the horse yourself. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
Every time I come to Northern Ireland, I put on a stone. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
-Can I offer you a scone? -Can we call you Nick? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
And, every now and again, there must be a reality check. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
The Chinese are very good with this. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
And that's where I come in. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
We're off to see Jim and Martina Magill, they farm near Newry. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Six years ago, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
they diversified into the flax oil business for the equine sector. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
The farm was beef and sheep and a few horses, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
but they weren't leaving big margins. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
So we tried to look at some way of raising the profit line of the farm | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
to keep the farm basically here. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
At the farm, they produce flax oil, a product rich in omega-3. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
And, in the past two years, they've squeezed out a healthy profit. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
We started with the recreational riders | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
but now it's the more professional riders | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
who are using the product and keeping us going. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
Now Jim is keen to target a new market. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
We're, hopefully, going into the human flax oil. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
My reservation is they've already got a successful equine market | 0:01:45 | 0:01:51 | |
but there's a lot more to go for. And what are they going to do? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
They're going to diversify into the most complex market, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
that is, things to be consumed by humans. I think they're nuts. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:03 | |
But, let's see, let's see whether they can prove me wrong. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Now then, this is the Magill family. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
-Jim, how are you? -Pleased to meet you. -And you. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
-Martina. How are you? -Pleased to meet you. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
-This is Sarah. -And your two girls. Sarah, hello. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
-Hello. -And Grace. -And Grace. -Say hello to Mr Hewer. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Well, I've heard a lot about you and the equine business, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
the flax oil equine business which is doing well, apparently. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
-That's good. Yes, very good product. -You going to show me around, then? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
-It's a brisk old day. -It is brisk. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
So, what brought you into the flax oil, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
I think it was about five years ago? | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
Well, margins in farming were that variable. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
It was to add more income into the farm. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Because you'd tried some other stuff. You'd tried marigolds. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
We tried marigold, we tried hemp, and we tried flax. And it was... | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
-Flax suddenly...took your fancy. -Yes. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
There was more research in it, it was easier grown, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
-it was the most successful. -Bigger margins? -Fair margins. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
It's proved itself. We haven't got a big marketing budget behind it. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
It's just word of mouth, and it has grown from very small beginnings. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
-You started locally, I guess, so it spread out? -And it just spread out. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
It's the more professional men that's using the product now, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
more so than your recreational riders. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
Are you using those people as testimonials? | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
-They may not have been asked yet. But I would say... -Ask them. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
My God, there's nothing like a good testimonial, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
-the most powerful thing. -Yeah. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
Anyway, now you're thinking about other things. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
-Yes. Thinking of getting into human nutrition. -I know. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
-I want to talk to you about that. -JIM LAUGHS | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
'But before I challenge Jim's plans, he reveals | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
'the top secret production plant and one of his flax oil products.' | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
And what's this? | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
This is what we're finished with after we... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
-Oh, you've extracted the oil. -When we've extracted the oil. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
That's gone off somewhere else. So you just throw this away, or what? | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
-No, no, that's a good product in its own right. -For whom? | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
It's high in protein for horses and young calves, basically. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
-Oh, really? -Yeah. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
-Are you eating it? -Yes. It's very, very nice. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
It looks like bark chippings. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
JIM LAUGHS | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
-That's one description. -Actually... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Listen, I'm not going to flatter you. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
But it's not as bad as I thought, actually. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
-But I don't want any more today. -That's OK. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
-Perhaps tomorrow. -Tomorrow. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
Nutty snack rejected, it's time to confront Jim's new business plans. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
He's hoping to invest £150,000 | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
in a new production plant for human flax oil. Is he wise? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
So, how long will it take to put up? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
About a month, six weeks, hopefully. A lot of the background work's done. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
Even so, that's pretty good going. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
You've got to clear this stuff out | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
and then, bang, you're in production. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
And, as soon as it starts pouring out, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:51 | |
you've got to find a market for it. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
And the packaging and all of the pricing. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
-And all the collateral stuff. -Yes. -You'll be busy. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-We've a lot of work to get done. -Indeed. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Sometimes I feel very anxious, Jim. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
'I worry that Jim's flax oil is clouding his judgment. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
'He's blinded by the benefits of his product | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
'and losing sight of a realistic business strategy. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
'Still, I look forward to a 24-hour production line | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
'pumping out human flax oil in just six weeks' time.' | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
You've been having your flax oil, haven't you? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
With your little glossy coat. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
Jim has total faith in his product and its benefits. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
But where's the proof? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
I'm on my way to meet flax oil fans Trevor and Steven Smith. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
They're two of Ireland's top event riders. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
And I'm going to ask them, in all honesty, hand on heart, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
what effect does flax oil have on the performance of your horses? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
-So, here we are at Ballymac. Trevor and Steve. -Yes. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
-You ride for Ireland, you were at the Olympics. -Yeah. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
-You've got 40-odd horses here, the best. -Working hard, yeah. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
And you're trying flax oil on your horses. Why? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
I feel that the flax oil has been a massive help in the yard. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
The flax oils get into their system. They bring their coats out. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
Some animals might be a bit funny in their feeding. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
And the digestive system really works for it. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
When horses get really trained up to a high level, they stop eating. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
So, the fitter the horses get, the less they want to eat. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
And they love this oil. I mean, they lick their bowls. They actually do. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
That's all our international horses are on it. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Of course, the rider on those cross-country courses | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
has got to have a bit of stamina too. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
You had a little sip, have you? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
I've nearly been tempted, to be honest. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
-So, if there's a human version? -Absolutely. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
-Straight on to it right away. -Would you? -Absolutely. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
You'd have a glossy coat, your performance would be outstanding. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
-Absolutely. My wife will be glad to hear. -I'm sure she'd be delighted. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
'So that's two impressive testimonials for Jim. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
'However, I'm still concerned | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
'that he might be backing the wrong horse. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
'Would a nutritionist and a health food distributor prove me wrong?' | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
I've got a few issues. I want you to put my mind at rest. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
You're a scientist, a nutritionist. You know this market backwards. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
What are the benefits of flax oil in the human market? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Flax oil is a good product. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
I think that there's a lot of fish oil products out there at the minute | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
which are a really good source of omega-3. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
But not everybody wants to take fish oil, for lots of different reasons. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
People who maybe are vegetarian. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
Maybe people who have issues about the taste of fish oils, for example. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
So, I think there is a market for flax seed oil. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Because omega-3 is really important. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
People are a bit scared of fat, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
but oil and fat is so important in our diet. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
It's anti-inflammatory, it helps with cholesterol balance, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
it helps to support a healthy blood pressure. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
So, from my point of view, anything that improves the omega-3 intake | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
through our diet has got to be a positive thing. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
So they've built their production thing, it's pumping out flax oil. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Now what? How do we get it to market? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Well, I think if there was a consumer demand | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
for a bottled flax seed product, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
they would want to know about marketing support, want to know | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
what is different about this product to anything else. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
And the bottom line question is, what's the retail price point | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
and, obviously, their margin? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
So, a combination of packaging, brand, great margin. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
-Sort of eases the pain a bit, doesn't it? -Absolutely. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
And if everything there is fair, and there's a decent margin, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
you reckon we can make a go of it? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
I think there is still growth in the omega-3 market. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
But the market here is relatively small | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
and they may have to consider expanding the horizons. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
OK. So, Jane, you've got quite a glossy head of hair there. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
What are you on, fish oil or flax oil? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Well, honestly? Fish oil. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Yeah, well, that's because we're not in the market yet. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
What about you? You're not quite as glossy as Jane. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
No, no. Fish oil. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
You wait, wait until I let Jim Magill loose on you. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
You'll be a convert in minutes, I promise you. He's an evangelist. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
'OK, so it seems there IS a market for the human flax oil after all. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
'But it's small, and may be outside Northern Ireland. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
'Is Jim's blind faith losing him cash converts? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
'Has this mild-mannered evangelist got what it takes | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
'to conquer a new market? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
'And why expand in a new direction | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
'when the equine market has not yet been exhausted? It's time to talk.' | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
See, what I'm see is that there are two of you. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
It's not as though you can lift the phone | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
and ring the marketing department on the 15th floor. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
It's not as though you can ring the finance department on the 16th floor | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
and say, "I want you to budget for this launch into the human market." | 0:09:47 | 0:09:53 | |
-True. We haven't got the... -There's two of you. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
And what worries me a bit is you're doing well on the equine market. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
I'm concerned that, before you've really got up to speed on that, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
you're now going to be distracted by a far more complex market | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
which is the human market, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
and yet there's all that scope left in the equine market. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
So I just wonder whether the timing's right. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
But having said that, I was under the impression that | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
your diversification into the human type of flax oil product | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
was some sort of crazy adventure. But I was wrong | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
because I've come up with some interesting products | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
that feed exactly into what you want to do. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
For instance, milled flax seed, almonds, brazil nuts, walnuts, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
and Q10, which does all the right things, on the market already. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
-Yes. A good product. -Yeah? -Yeah. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
My argument might be dented slightly, but it's not destroyed. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
There are two of you. And what concerns me is that | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
you take your eye off the equine market | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
in order to plunge all your energies into the human market. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
And the danger of that is actually that the equine market falters | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
and, I think, Jim Magill, you're an evangelist. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:04 | |
You want to do this, not just for the money, but you believe in it. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
But because I love the horses so much, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I'm going to take some of your flax oil for the horses | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
and I'm going to test it with some pals who have a couple of racehorses | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
and then I'll be back to talk to you. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
-That'd be great, I look forward to it. -OK. -Thank you. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Jim claims his flax oil can deliver in six to eight weeks. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
So, I've arranged for racehorse trainer Caroline de Montmorency | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
to put these claims to the test. I'll catch up with her later. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
Jim's messianic zeal won't be enough to sell his human flax oil. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
He needs a strong brand, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
so I've arranged for him to meet a couple of design consultants. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
That's the product we make at the moment. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
-And this is for horses? -For horses, yes. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
The business is growing in the horse and the equine world. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
And moving forward, the application for humans. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
Moving forward, the application for this is for humans, yes. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
-And is there a taste with it? -It's like a nutty taste. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
It doesn't contain any nuts, but that's what it's like, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
a nice, nutty taste, whenever it's done right. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
-Do you feel frisky now, Kenney? -THEY LAUGH | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
HE WHIMPERS LIKE A HORSE No! | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Your hair's growing, Kenney! | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
There's not even an aftertaste with it. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:24 | |
No, that's a big part of it. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
People have the taste of taking fish oil. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
And you have that sort of, you know, there's not that tendency in it. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
'Let's hope the flax oil will fuel their designs | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
'for the brave new brand.' | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
-Next stage is just making it real. -Yeah. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
'Not even a strong brand can help Jim until he's in production. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
'And nine weeks after our first meeting, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
'there's still no sign of the promised plant.' | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
We've ran into some problems with different things, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
things just not coming together. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
But, hopefully, they're all sorted now and we'll have the digger in. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
Supposed to be here today but he'll be here tomorrow. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
We're OK for time so far. But we'll need to be pushing on to get it up. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
'Jim must be feeling the pressure.' | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Not particularly, I don't get under pressure. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
'With the way things are going, it's just as well!' | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
It's late April, and I'm back in Northern Ireland | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and heading to Tyrella beach near Downpatrick, County Down | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
to catch up with the Magills. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
I've arranged for them to come | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
to a tri-eventing competition here in Tyrella, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
with the aim of maximising their equine flax oil sales. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
That is the very heartland of their market. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
Hi, how are you? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Yeah, this is the best kept secret in the equine world. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
Grown here and made here. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
-There is an actual picture of it growing in the field. -Right, OK. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
-How are you? -How are you, Nick? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
-Good to see you again. -Mr Hewer, how are you? -I'm very well. It's Nick! | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
-How are you? -You good? -Yes. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
-What do you call this? -This is Flaxeen. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
-This is a new product, is it? Flaxeen? Again, equine. -Yes. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
Good, I'm glad to see you're really sticking with the equine market. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
That's really where your strength is, isn't it? | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
So, presumably this is all coming out of your new production facility? | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Not as yet, no. That's a work-in-progress. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
-A work-in-progress? -Yes. -Oh, dear. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
And where is the progress, or lack of progress? What was the problem? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Getting the I's dotted and the T's crossed. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
Is it? It's a finance thing, or people dragging their heels? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Financing, among other things. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
But when do you reckon that it'll be up and running? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
We're hoping to be up and running end of June. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
'Yet another deadline missed for the human flax oil plant. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
'Just as well the Magills are equine energised.' | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Any humans coming over, saying, "Can I have a taste?" | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-Yes, oh, yes, indeed, yes. -Right. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
I'll be in touch with you two. I'll be in touch shortly. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
-OK. -Thank you. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
'So, no new plant, that's disappointing. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
'Still, there's a new equine product. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
'Time for me to check in on Caroline's horse trials.' | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Caroline, you've tried my flax oil. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
How are you getting on with your horses? | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
I have to say, I love it. The horses love it. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
And I think they're looking great. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
I did my own little mini-experiment with him. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
This is a little horse called Carlanstown. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
He's been on the point-to-point scene now for a few years. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
I always get him regularly checked by a chiropractor | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
who comes and stays here. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
And he, funnily enough, stayed last night, and looked at him today, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
and said he's in better shape than he's known him for a very long time. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
Is that right? But is there a difference? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Not just in appearance, but are they picking up a bit? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Are you beginning to win? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
He's been second and third, we're getting there. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
-So are you going to stick with it? -I will stick with it. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
Definitely will stick with it. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
Anything else? What else is happening? | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
I've definitely noticed in our dogs who are crazy for it. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
They are straight into the feed buckets. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
It's all I can do to get the food into the mangers. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Now this is a new thing. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
And it's not as though they were doing that beforehand. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
No, it's not like they're hungry. They love it, absolutely love it. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
I have a big lurcher, and he's getting older now. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-And he's in great shape. -He's moving better? | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
He's moving well. He's got a good coat and charging around the place. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
So, you reckon dogs? I'm going to get on to Jim Magill, Dogs R Us. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
There's a big market. People will spend on dogs. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
-Yeah, dogs it is. -Dogs R Us! -Dogs it is! | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
'Equine to canine, that's real diversification. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
'So, back in my manor, I pause to call Jim Magill, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
'and bring him canine enlightenment.' | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Hello? | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
-Jim. -'Yes.' | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
-Jim, it's Nick, how are you? -How are you? Keeping well, Nick? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
Not bad. Listen, Jim, when we last spoke, I took some of your flax oil. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Do you remember? I said I was going to give it to a friend of mine | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
-'who's got a racehorse.' -Yes. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
'And I did so. The horse loves it.' | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
But the one who loves it best of all is her dog! | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
And she fights over the flax oil bowl with the horse. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-Yeah. -So, I suddenly lit up and I thought, "Here's an opportunity." | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
So, I've fixed for you to go and see a pet shop retailer | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
where they sell all the things that pets want, including dog food | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
and dog food additives. That's your new business, Jim. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
I've arranged a meeting for Jim here at Jollyes, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
one of the largest chains of pet stores in the United Kingdom. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
I want to find out if there's a market for canine flax oil products | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
to complement his booming equine business. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
I want to see how Jim sells that idea. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
We produce a flax oil for horses, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
and we're thinking of bringing out an omega-3 product for pets as well. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
This is the sort of product we're thinking of, the like of this here. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
This is just made up for today just to show you where we're coming from. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
The benefits in all our animals are coats, shining coats. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
-OK. -I think there would be a big application for the showing dogs, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
you know, er... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:14 | |
..especially in joint and mobility, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
it would be a big, big benefit as well. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
'Put a bit of bounce into it, Jim! Unleash your inner salesman.' | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
Would there be much of a market for it within Jollyes | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
-and even the wider pet world? -We do one product in store | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
currently, which is flax seed oil. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
It's a smaller 250ml bottle, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
but we don't a lot of volume in that product. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
We're not doing big numbers. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
It doesn't mean to say you can't do big numbers in it. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
I think if you had a more competitive price. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Perhaps getting the word out about what flax seed can do for the dogs. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
And maybe a little bit of support from yourself, in-store demos, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
coming in, talking to the customers as well. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
-Hopefully, we can... we can do business. -Yeah. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
I thought that the pitch, frankly, Jim, to the buyer, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
it was a bit lukewarm. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
I just wonder if you're really behind the canine thing? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
There's a lot more dogs than horses, you know. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
Interestingly, he said that they're stocking a like sort of product. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
And I picked one up, actually, in the medical section. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
This is for sick animals. We are for healthy animals. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
-Who we're going to keep healthier. -Exactly. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
So, my idea, really, is, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
and we learnt this from the lady with the horse, Caroline, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
is her dogs were barging the horse out of the way to get at the feed. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
So, what does that tell us? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
You put it next to dog food. Dog food, particularly adult dog food | 0:19:42 | 0:19:48 | |
because, in this context, adult actually means elderly. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
And what happens to old dogs? They get joint problems. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
And what I'd like to think is we could produce, or you could produce | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
a free-standing unit here, next to the dog food which is expensive. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
-There's dog food down there, 15kg, 55 quid. -Yeah. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
I guess one in 100 people coming here go to the medical cabinet. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
Everybody comes to buy their dog food | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
and that's where you should position your product. Yes? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
I agree with you, totally. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
With Jim in total agreement yet again, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
it's time to see a man about a dog. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
So, Keith, you're known as the dog guru, and not without good reason. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
You've grown up with dogs, dogs is now your career, your life. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
You breed, you train, and all the rest of it. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
And, recently, from what you've been telling me, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
-this 11-year-old dog, you started her on flax oil. -Yes. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Any discernible difference? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
A massive difference. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
I mean, the thing about Beau is that I want her to live forever | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
but, obviously, that's not going to happen. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Like myself, she's getting a little bit older. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
And the one thing I've noticed of late this last 12 months, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
she's got very stiff in the morning. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
Since feeding her with flax oil, that's totally gone. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
She does have some arthritic tendencies. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I was feeding her glucosamine supplements, stuff like that. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
I stopped all that, and the difference is unbelievable. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
There's no stiffness whatsoever, which is absolutely fantastic. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
And seeing the marked difference in Beau, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
I will definitely be feeding it to all the dogs now. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
I must say, she looks terrific, actually. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
I'm actually thinking of taking it myself. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
-There's such a marked difference in Beau! -Get a glossy beard! | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Mind you, my hips are beginning to go. What do you think? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It would be a good choice. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Enough about us. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
You've talked the talk, let's see if Beau can walk the walk. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
-Let's see her in action. -OK. Beau, heel. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Beau, back. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:39 | |
Her energy level is unbelievable. She's like a pup. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
HE WHISTLES | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Back. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
You can still see the age round her face but, physically | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
and her energy levels, she's like a young dog again. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Sit, sit, sit. Good girl. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
-You can see yourself. -It's wonderful. -For an old girl. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
-She's retired now. -She's retired, but I might bring her back out. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
-Is that right? -Yeah. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
She can definitely compete with the young dogs again. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Look at that, Beau. You're going back to work. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
I know what it feels like to be in retirement, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
then to be dragged back into the office. Poor old thing. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
'But will Jim Magill be wagging his tail when my brand boys reveal | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
'their new designs for the human flax oil product?' | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
What we want to do today is to talk about brand, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and how we can build a brand for you, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
that takes in a logo, takes in your packaging, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
takes in a message about our company. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
We have looked at different names. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Some of them are challenging, some of them are quite straightforward. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Amber Soul. It's "feel good inside with Amber Soul", | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
how that could look applied to packaging, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
and how that would work then on a bottle format. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
We've touched here on a website, for example, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
how it could be applied very simply as a graphic to a website. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
That gives you a fabulous opportunity to educate your customer | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
on the benefits of the product as well. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
We can't do it all on the pack. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
-Next name, slightly different. -Vitam. -Which is the Latin for life. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Vitam, nature's source of goodness. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
Glo, a very simple word. It's all about natural joy. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
Oir, Irish for gold. And oirflax.com is available. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
It's a wee bit more abstract. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Natu. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
Just crunch a few words together | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
just to try and get that uniqueness again. Natu. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
So, again, tell our story. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Nature's goodness of the soil, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
a source of omega-3, 6 and 9. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
That's our short list of names. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
If there's a particular style of packaging we think works really well, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
we can still mix and match that with the actual names. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
Great line. So thanks for that. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
I think, the point now, Jim, is go home. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
Don't start snatching at things. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Immerse yourself in this good work, and think about it. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
And then pick one for the right reasons, and go with it. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
I'm off to see Jim Magill for the very last time, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
and I'm very keen to see his new plant in action. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
But, first, I'm heading to Jollyes pet store | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
where Jim's canine product is on trial | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
and I'm praying he'll impress. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
The last time Jim pitched to Jollyes, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
it was frankly a lacklustre performance. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
So, let's hope that this afternoon has got a nice gloss to it. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
A bit of a shine. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
This is a high omega-3 product for your dog. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
-It's actually cold-pressed flax oil. -OK. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
It's a very high omega-3 product. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
It's 58.5 to 63% omega-3. Very good for coat and joints. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
That's about 5% of what it's doing inside the body. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
-They find it very beneficial. -OK, I'll give it a go. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Jim Magill has got his new product, his canine flax oil product, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
into Jollyes, on trial. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
And it's my first opportunity to have a look at the packaging. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I've got to say, I am slightly disappointed. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
Old-fashioned but, more than that, in a way. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
All we've ever talked about with Jim is flax oil, flax oil, flax oil | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
and the benefit it gives. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Yes, it gives omega-3, 6, 9. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
But where's flax oil on here? Whoa! Look, it's stuck down there. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
I think he's missed a trick, I really do. That's his USP. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
So I think, perhaps, it's time for a little bit of a redesign | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
promoting flax oil on the packaging | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
before this product gets too well established. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
I'm showing a product today, DogXcel. It's very, very palatable. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
-If we had a wee dish, would you mind trying? -No. Go on ahead. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
You just put a wee drop in. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
About 10ml a day would be sufficient for them. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
-DOG OWNER GASPS -They really go for it. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Packaging aside, it's thumbs and paws up for the canine product. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
All that's left for me now is to see his new plant up and running. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
-This is the new production facility for the human flax oil product? -Yes. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
It doesn't look as thought there's too much going on in there. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
You've got the structure. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
Is this the equipment in there, in boxes? | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
The equipment just arrived yesterday. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
I've yet to see any of these things going smoothly. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
-I'd say we were approximately six weeks behind. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
So, for the moment, anyway, it's a dead stop on the human stuff? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:36 | |
No. We're still developing it. We're still working on. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
We're not in production, that's the truth of it. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
What happened on the branding side? | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
We went off and saw the people, did you pick a brand? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
-We picked a brand, we picked Natu. It's getting branded. -Registered? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:51 | |
-Registered. -OK, all right. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
So, for the moment, anyway, this is stalled. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
But, listen, you've still got your equine business which is strong. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
And I want to tell you, whilst you've been beavering away here, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
-I've not exactly been sitting around doing nothing. -That's good. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
I've been working for you, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
and I have got two letters here you're going to be delighted about. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
-I've got a letter from the Billy Stud. You've heard of them? -Yes. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
One of the largest studs. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Hundreds of horses being bred for the sport horse market. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
And they have said, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
"We would be very interested to trial this product | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
"on our home-bred horses." | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
He goes on to say his reputation is built on breeding and producing | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
quality sport horses, so they don't take these sort of trials lightly. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
Another one, the West Kingston Stud, WKS. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
Tessa Clarke, the stud manager, says, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
"We also would be willing to trial the said product | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
"on some of our home-bred horses." | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
And they too say, "We don't take on these things lightly." | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
So, these two operations, they're formidable operators in the UK | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
and they're known globally, they sell globally. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
And, as they sell horses, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
make sure the horses are sold with your product to the new owners. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:01 | |
And so it goes on, the marketing never stops, it never stops. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
Until Jim gets his new plant up and running, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
human flax oil is but an evangelical dream. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
But, in the meantime, he's got his equine and his canine flax oil. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
And, if he gets the sales, marketing and branding right, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
Mount Mills could just deliver liquid gold. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
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