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The world today faces a fundamental shift in the balance of power | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
from west to east. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
The global economy is on the edge of a precipice. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
'Mayhem on the markets. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
'Fears of contagion in the eurozone sends stocks tumbling.' | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
'The Dow fell as much as 705 points, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
'as traders watched in disbelief.' | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
'Anxiety over the Greek debt crisis spooked markets | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
'in Europe and Asia again today.' | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Since the crash of 2008 | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Western banks, and now governments, have lurched | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
from catastrophe to crisis. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
This is the most serious financial crisis we have seen, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
at least since the 1930s, if not ever. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
We still haven't had the full consequences of this crisis. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
In this series I investigate how globalisation went badly wrong, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
and what we can do to mend our economy. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Unless we fix our tax system, financial system, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Social Security system, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
it's game over. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
Years of borrowing by banks, households, companies | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
and governments have left many of us in the West hopelessly in debt. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
What we've been doing is funding an unsustainable lifestyle. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
We used to talk about debt being a developing country problem. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
It's now a developed country problem. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Now countries like China are in the driving seat. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
PRESIDENT OBAMA: We are facing an economic crisis that has left millions of our neighbours jobless. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
-DAVID CAMERON: -Some people say that to succeed in this world, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
we need to be more like China. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
This is the story of how we kidded ourselves that we had found | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
the secret of ever rising prosperity. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
In truth, our long boom was founded on a dangerous lie. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
The financial sector was saying house prices are never going to fall across the board, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
"Don't even worry about it, it hasn't happened since the Great Depression." | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
-Well, it did happen. -And that's when the party came to an end. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Shanghai, the fastest-growing city in the world, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
home to 23 million people. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
It's China's capital of commerce, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
and the city has helped China accumulate reserves in excess of 3 trillion. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
So, if you want to find out why we seem to be losing | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
the global economic battle, we first need to meet the winners. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
TRANSLATION: My parents wanted me to do an easy job as a sales girl, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
working in a retail store. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
But I felt I would be a salesgirl for my whole life | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
if I took that job. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
So I chose to be a worker at a factory. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Though the job was hard, it would give me a better future. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
'Rena Li works for NVC, a lighting company based in Shanghai. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
'She's worked hard to reach her position as purchasing manager.' | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
TRANSLATION: My dream was to go to university. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
It took me two and a half years working in a factory to get there. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
It was a tough time for me. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
I had to work all day, and even nights sometimes, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
and I had to study in my time off. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
But finally, I managed to enrol at university. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
She began work at NVC in 2007. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
In less than 13 years, it's come from nowhere | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
to be the world's second largest lighting company. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
It's part of the new global order, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
where China and the other developing economies | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
make much of what the richer countries, like ours, need. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
At its heart, there's a simple formula. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
TRANSLATION: In terms of my salary, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
I'm paid £15,000 to £20,000 a year. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Rena is one of China's rapidly growing middle classes. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
She's paid more than her parents and grandparents ever thought possible. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
But it's far less than what she would be paid in the UK. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
The differences are even starker on the factory floor. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
-TRANSLATION: -I earn about £250 a month. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
That's if I work about 30 to 40 hours overtime. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
-TRANSLATION: -As a woman, I would not be able to earn more than £200 a month | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
if I worked in the countryside - it's just not possible. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
This job is good experience. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
One day, I plan to go back to my hometown | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
and set up a small business. I won't do this job all my life. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
Here it is - the whirring and clicking, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
assembling and manufacturing manifestation of globalisation, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
which lifted hundreds of millions of people in Asia and here in China | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
away from the breadline through the creation of jobs. In the rich West, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
we got the things that we wanted and needed much, much cheaper. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
Everybody seemed to be a winner, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
except that the economic system which developed | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
contained a lethal flaw. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
The flaw was that we bought vast quantities of consumer goods | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
from countries like China with borrowed money. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
We haven't been working hard or smart enough | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
against the challenge from China and the other developing economies. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
Households, you and I, borrowed too much. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
Banks that lent to us also became too indebted. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Now we're concerned that our governments too have borrowed | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
more than they - we - can afford. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
We're struggling to pay the money back | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
and are beginning to recognise - painfully - | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
that we face years of low growth, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
or what we're beginning to think of as a new age of austerity. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
So, how did we get into this mess? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
One clue may be found in Longbridge in Birmingham. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Rena's company, NVC, exports all over the world. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
And it has a branch in what was once Britain's industrial heartland. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
In the UK, at the moment, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
we are largely an importing and distribution operation. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
We have a large warehouse. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
Product comes straight in from the Far East | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
and, for the most part, it goes straight out again. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
This is the higher rated LED version... | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
'I'm the marketing and product manager for NVC Lighting. Which means that I'm responsible | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
'for marketing activities here in the UK, plus a bit overseas as well.' | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
And I'm also responsible for what's in our product range, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
what are the next products we develop. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
'I'm paid between mid-40s to mid-50s thousand pounds a year. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
'It's not a lavish salary, but it's probably the going rate | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
'for somebody with my responsibilities in the manufacturing sector.' | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
James Hunter Johnston is at the same mid-management level in the company | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
as Rena is in Shanghai. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
But he earns three times as much as she does. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
The pay differences are sharp on the shop floor as well, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
which is where Trevor Foster works. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I'm a production operative at NVC Lighting. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
Basically, we convert standard lighting fittings | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
into emergency fittings. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
I normally work a 42-hour week. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
My basic without any overtime is... | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
about £1,000 net, that's after tax and everything. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
But, with the overtime, you can earn £1,200, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
£1,300 if you get a good month. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Trevor's salary is more than FOUR times | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
what the people who actually make the lights are paid. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Kind of lucky that it's a Chinese company, cos at the moment | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
China seems to be the place to be, they're doing quite well financially. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
So, you know, we've got plenty of work where I am, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
so I can't complain. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:34 | |
For the moment, NVC's Birmingham plant is little more than a warehouse to distribute goods | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
that are made much more cheaply in China, where the economy is booming. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
It's a pattern reflected across the world. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
Developing countries making things and getting richer, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
many Western countries stagnating. How did it happen? | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
We can blame greedy bankers, high-spending governments, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
our own profligacy. But there are also deeper causes, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
and to find the answer, we need to delve back into China's past. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
In 1978, Deng Xiaoping took over the leadership of a country | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
devastated by a disastrous economic experiment. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
China was JUST beginning to emerge from | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
probably the lowest point in its development | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
for several hundred years, possibly for even a thousand years. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
That was the inheritance that Deng Xiaoping took on when he took power, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:47 | |
and that was really the assignment that he had handed to him - | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
how to dig China out of this deep trench of developmental malaise. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
More than 30 million Chinese had starved to death in the 1960s, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
and millions more were left to wander the countryside destitute. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
For older Chinese people, that misery feels like yesterday. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
Thank you very much. Delicious meal you've cooked here. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
Memories of hunger are acute for Rena's parents. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
TRANSLATION: Life in the countryside was very tough. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
We didn't have enough to eat. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
Family life has changed a lot now. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Almost every family has a telephone, almost everyone has a mobile. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
-TRANSLATION: -And cars. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
TRANSLATION: We could never have dreamed about these things before. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
-Gan bei. -"Gan bei" means "bottom up". -Bottoms up. Gan bei. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Deng transformed a country and, eventually, the world | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
by progressively introducing elements of capitalism | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
into communist China. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
'He got criticised from many quarters | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
'and Deng in his typically pithy, fiery Sichuanese way | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
'replied with the immortal phrase,' | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
"It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
"as long as it catches mice." | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Which, although it was never explicitly stated | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
was understood by everyone to mean, "It doesn't matter if China | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
"is capitalist or communist as long as it gets richer and stronger." | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
At the same time as Deng was setting China on its course to become | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
the world's second biggest economy, and perhaps its most powerful, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Britain was beginning to go the other way. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
'Rail fares are going up for the third time in 12...' | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
'The pound plummeted to its lowest level...' | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
'British Leyland shares have been suspended on the Stock Exchange...' | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
'..generally unemployment is suddenly a lot worse.' | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
The UK's traditional industries had become inefficient, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
often nationalised, and torn apart by strikes. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
In 1979, a leader came to power who, like Deng, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
challenged and destroyed powerful vested interests. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Very excited. Very aware of the responsibilities. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
'In the most basic terms, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
'Thatcher's vision was to let the market free.' | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
She believed that the state had become far too dominant | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
and that we should take the shackles off industry, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
take the shackles off finance, cut taxes, deregulate | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
and let private business, the private sector, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
drive the economy forward. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
The best way to think about Mrs Thatcher is she was a classic Conservative. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Classic Tory constituencies were looked after by her | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
and classic Tory enemies were taken on. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Nowhere was economic change felt more keenly than in Longbridge, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
home to the mass market car-maker British Leyland. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
On a vast, sprawling industrial site, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
by the '70s, this motoring giant was in seemingly perpetual crisis. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
We are invincible! CHEERING | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
The Chinese company NVC's UK Marketing Manager, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
James Hunter Johnson, started work in 1979, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
the year that Mrs Thatcher came to power. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Industrial disputes were almost a monthly activity. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
At least every year, there'd be some sort of industrial disruption | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
around about the time when wage rates were being renegotiated. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
We actually had a lock-out. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
So, the workforce actually occupied the factory, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
the management was locked out for at least two or three weeks | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
and production, of course, just stopped completely while that was going on. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
It's been an extremely bumpy career to have | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
over these last 30 years in manufacturing industry. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
I've almost given up counting the number of times I have changed jobs, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
but it must be 10 or 15 times now. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
NVC's premises in the UK reflect the changing of the guard. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
Its warehouse is perched on a hill overlooking the desolate former home | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
of the motor manufacturer, where Trevor Foster once worked. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
I've done numerous jobs over the years, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
mostly in the car industry. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
My last job before this one, I ended up at Continental. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
We made petrol pumps for a lot of the big car companies - | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
Landrover, Jaguar, Volvo, etc. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Unfortunately, they had to ship the business off to the Czech Republic | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
cos it was proving to be too expensive to produce parts in this country. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
So it all got shipped off to the Czech Republic | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and we all got made redundant. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
In Britain AND in the US, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
manufacturing employment slumped in the 1980s. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Under Margaret Thatcher and under US President Ronald Reagan, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
a different kind of global economics was taking root | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
which would eventually lead to the great unravelling | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
we're now experiencing. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
The fundamental problem in both the United States and the UK | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
was that beginning with Thatcher and Reagan there was this ideology | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
that markets were efficient and self-regulating. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
-How ARE you? -I'm fine. How are you? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
'They thought that the private sector could do no wrong | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
'and that we didn't need to have regulation | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
'and we could cut tax rates' | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
and the economy would produce a lot more revenue. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
A lot of this was just hogwash and ideology. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
In 1986, Margaret Thatcher's love of free markets | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
unleashed a financial revolution called Big Bang. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
It spurred the creation of the modern banking system | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
which in 2007-08 came close to bankrupting itself and us. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
25 years on from Big Bang, there's still some nostalgia | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
for the regimented order of the London Stock Exchange's trading floor - | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
gone, along with tight restrictions on what firms could do. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Although it was very sad that you had this amazing club | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
for the last God knows how many years coming to an end, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
it was going to throw up a great, new opportunity | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
which actually turned out to be very successful. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Big Bang allowed big international banks to buy up stockbroking firms. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
High street retail banking was combined with more risky investment banking, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
and vast financial conglomerates were created. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
'Immense money was flowing around at the time. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
'Everything became magnified by a huge amount' | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
because of the amount of money that came rolling in. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
And...salaries were going up. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Certain people were in great, great demand and paid huge salaries. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
Basically, everyone was earning more, whatever you were doing. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
It was sort of Champagne times | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
and things were very, very exciting across the board. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
The culture of British finance changed in a fundamental way. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
Banking should be boring. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
I was in banking 25 years ago - | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
it was a pretty boring business. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
And then, of course, we had things like Big Bang in the UK, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
where basically banking combined with trading activities, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
with merchant banking, hedge funds and so on. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
And so now your bank is just as likely to be spending | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
quite a lot of its time, and maybe even more of its money, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
on Delta One trading. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
If you can define what that is, you're doing better than | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
chief executives of a number of the banks. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
With the arrival of impenetrable complex financial concepts, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
such as Delta One trading, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
London became the world's leading international financial centre. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
Totally took away the character of the City. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
All of a sudden, we're all sitting behind television screens | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
and talking on telephones, and very soon, one doesn't know | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
who one's talking to at the end of that telephone. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
I'm sure it has been very, very good for the City, yeah. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
I mean, it's been marvellous for the City. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
The numbers that are around now. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
The trade that takes place on a daily basis is absolutely colossal. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
The rise of financial services in the 1980s and '90s, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
as manufacturing shrank seemed to be the answer | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
for a country struggling to compete in the world. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
But it was to create an economy that now seems unbalanced | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
and unable to grow. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
While Britain was embarking on its financial revolution, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
in America, the emperor of all free marketeers | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
was ascending his throne to become the world's most powerful central banker. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
Alan Greenspan was appointed by Ronald Reagan | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
to be Chairman of the US Federal Reserve. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
'Greenspan was somebody who believed very passionately | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
'in the primacy and efficacy' | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
and morality of free markets. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
This wasn't just a technician, a man who understood central banking. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
This was a man with an ideological commitment | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
and that ideological commitment had consequences. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
One consequence of the triumph of the free market was | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
an astonishing surge in the pay of those at the top. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Banks and financial firms took bigger and more dangerous risks | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
to generate bigger profits and huge pay packets. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
And when the bosses of our mainstream companies | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
saw the spectacular rewards that were going to bankers, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
hedge fund managers, private equity partners, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
they too demanded and got absolutely enormous pay rises. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
The gap between the very richest and the very poorest widened | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
at a pace we hadn't seen since the Victorian era. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
When you look at the multiples of an executive pay | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
to the median, or middle, of the workforce, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
they're broadly stable throughout the 20th century | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
until you get to the 1980s, and then you get the take-off. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
The multiple of top pay to the middle was about 25 to one. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
Today it's over 150 to one. It's gone up six times | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
in just over 25 years. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
That's a breakdown of basic morality. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
These CEOs don't deserve these compensations. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Typically, the highest-paid ones | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
lose the most money for their companies. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
So it's really... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
corporate theft. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Pure and simple. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
Overwhelmingly, the benefits went to the top people, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
the most sophisticated people, the managers, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
the people who were plugged into the benefits of the global economy, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
whose companies were making very high profits. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
But what about the rest of us? How did we do? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
Real wage growth, in terms of take-home pay, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
of the typical American worker, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
has been zero since the mid-'60s. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
As Britain deindustrialised, over the same period, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
you had the service sector expand and high-end skills | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
were better rewarded and valued. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
So that meant that, of course, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
if you were not a high-skilled worker, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
your income would have fallen | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
cos the work that you previously did | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
would have been done by developing countries | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
who could do it more cheaply. | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
What was happening was incomes were going down. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
People would have been very unhappy | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
if their standard of living went down as their incomes went down or stagnated. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
So, in effect, we came up with a solution. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
We said... | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
.."Consume as if your income was going up." | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
Well, now, how do you consume as if your income is going up | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
when your income is going down? Only one way - debt. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
-Are you sure you've got everything, Money? -Let me see. Wine, Camembert... | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
The financial revolution spawned a debt revolution. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
In the new, deregulated world, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
everyone could have a loan, a credit card. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-I'm so glad you came along, Access. -That's what friends are for. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Our incomes may have been rising relatively slowly, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
but we could boost our living standards by borrowing to buy. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Debt changed from a risk to a must. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Suddenly you had a society in which | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
the ruling elite increasingly were obsessed with money | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
and that fed down through the media in all sorts of ways. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
Barclaycard! You're not in Macclesfield now, Bob. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
'It became the case that we were absolutely obsessed | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
'with the pursuit of money, possessions, appearances, fame.' | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Crucially, if the people at the top are offering that as a model, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
the people at the bottom are going to be influenced by it. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
-It's a Barclaycard, Latham. -Yes. -'Our values had completely changed. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
'We wanted more, we wanted better.' | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
We were encouraged to spend, spend, spend | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
and we borrowed, borrowed, borrowed. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
This is part of the house that was added, I think, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
in Victorian times. This is maybe about 100, 110 years old. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
But really this is why we bought it, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
because we just wanted somewhere to bring up the children | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
which gave them more space, somewhere to play in the garden. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
James Hunter Johnson bought his dream house in the early 1990s. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:06 | |
In those days, it wasn't difficult to borrow money to buy property. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
I think everyone was confident property values would go on rising. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
So taking on a big mortgage - which we did in order to buy this - | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
didn't seem to us to be a great risk. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
I think we were just generally confident | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
that salaries would continue to creep upwards, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
that would give us the money that was necessary | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
to either make improvements or to, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
in due course of time, pay off the mortgage. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
I think people felt themselves getting richer | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
because their houses were becoming more and more valuable | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
and that gave them the sense of confidence to borrow more | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
for consumption, for credit, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
and that kept the whole thing bubbling, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
the whole machine turning. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
WORKERS SING IN MANDARIN | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Meanwhile, China was building new factories and selling more overseas. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
Vast amounts of cheap and initially low-quality Chinese goods | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
were making their way to Western markets. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
But the road towards liberalisation stalled, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
in 1989, when the Chinese authorities | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
ruthlessly suppressed students demonstrating for democracy | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
in Tiananmen Square. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
The whole country froze. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
And economic work of all types | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
was put onto a backburner and many of the economic reforms | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
that had begun in the 1980s were effectively stalled. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
With resentment building inside the country, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
the Communist Party realised something drastic had to be done | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
to accelerate growth and boost living standards. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
In the summer of '92, Chairman Deng | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
went on a historic tour of China's southern economic zones. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
'The situation was getting so bad | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
'that eventually the leadership in Beijing realised' | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
that if they didn't do something to generate economic growth, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
they perhaps would not be able to create enough jobs | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
to keep the population acquiescent. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
And it was then that Deng Xiao Ping - | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
by this time an old and frail man, hard of hearing - | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
decided to take matters into his own hands. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
-TRANSLATION: -I remember he gave a speech on his southern tour. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
Obviously, he encouraged us to be open-minded. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
He wanted us to try new things... | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
..to move fast and not be afraid. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
Wu Changjiang is the founder | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
and chief executive of Rena's company, NVC. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
'19 years ago, he was a penniless student. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
'Deng's tour changed his life.' | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
-TRANSLATION: -It was a big encouragement | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
for college students like me. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
That was the reason I moved to Guangdong at the end of 1992. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
The things that he said lit a kind of prairie fire | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
under the Chinese economy | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
that really got it moving in the second half of 1992. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
The whole country just wanted to get going | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
and he'd given them the permission to engage in, as it were, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
capitalist economic activity. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
As China's growth accelerated in the 1990s, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
Wu scraped together the £1,500 he needed to start his own company. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Today he's worth over 300 million. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
There are literally thousands of such industrial success stories | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
across a country whose economy | 0:28:10 | 0:28:11 | |
has expanded six-fold in the 20 years since Deng's famous tour. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
-TRANSLATION: -My success is not a big deal. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
My generation just had more opportunities than my parents'. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
Reform and the Opening Up policy | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
gave us the opportunities which they didn't have. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
MUSIC: "Alive And Kicking" by Simple Minds. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
While Mr Wu was scrimping to create and build his business, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
Britons had begun spending in earnest. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
The era of big money and big consumption | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
was epitomised by our national game. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
The Premier League was launched in 1992 and back then, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
the average wage of a Premier League player | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
was six times that of most fans. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Today, our top stars are paid around £200,000 a week, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
-an incredible -400 -times what a typical British fan earns. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
The 1990s spending spree was the start of the longest period | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
of rapid uninterrupted economic growth in our history. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
But in a way we were cheating to win, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
although the ref didn't notice till the game was over. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
Under normal circumstances, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
the carefree spending of the 1990s would have led | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
to sharply-rising household inflation | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
and interest rates would've shot up to hold inflation in check. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
But, in the 16 years before the crash of 2008, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
none of that happened. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:43 | |
And if that was a good thing, we have the Chinese to thank. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
The prices of the things we wanted to buy, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
many of them made in China, became cheaper and cheaper. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
Every one of our pounds bought more of the stuff we coveted | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
thanks to the industry of the Chinese working 18-hour shifts | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
and earning just a few dollars a day. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
I came here to talk about the economy today with Mr Greenspan. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
If he wants to express his opinion on that subject, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
-I'll be glad to hear it. -LAUGHTER | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
Western leaders of all persuasions | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
didn't worry whether rapid growth fuelled by debt might be dangerous. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
No surprise there - | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
elections are easier to win if we're all feeling richer. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
'Even politicians of the centre left - | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
'the Tony Blairs, the Bill Clintons - embraced globalisation. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
'In fact, that was one of their badges of modernity | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
'that they weren't bad old lefties, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
'they were people who "got it", who got the modern world.' | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
They wouldn't, er... accept the argument | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
that actually competing with Chinese workers | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
would have a deleterious effect on the incomes of people in the West. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
That was regarded as backward, old thinking. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
I think the most that Clinton or Blair and their advisors said is, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
"Yeah, there'll be a transitional problem." | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Of course you can see, you know, if a factory closes here | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
and reopens in China, there's a pretty clear cause and effect. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
But the argument was, "You can't stand in the way of that. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
"That's standing in the way of progress." | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
CHEERING | 0:31:16 | 0:31:17 | |
Our leaders insisted that consistent growth of around 3% a year | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
was no more than our right. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
High inflation was gone for good. Boom and bust had become boom and boom. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
The good times would go on and on. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Borrow only for investment, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
hold debt down, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
earn before you spend, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
don't live on tick. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
I want this to be the New Labour government | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
that ended Tory boom and bust forever. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
But the year Tony Blair came to power | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
was actually to witness the first cracks in globalisation. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Some emerging economies of the East, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
the so-called Tiger economies like Thailand, South Korea and Malaysia, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
had borrowed heavily from overseas to finance their development. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
The markets took fright. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
Could they repay those debts? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
Countries that had been saving quite a bit, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
that had run reasonably responsible governments, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
hadn't run up large budget deficits | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
but had borrowed to finance their growth, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
suddenly found the banking sector under attack, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
the currency under attack... | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
wholesale unemployment without unemployment insurance. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
As Western investors began to dump local currencies | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
and call in what they were owed, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
the Asian Tiger economies slumped. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
'The IMF marched in, took away their sovereignty, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
'converted downturns into recessions, recessions into depressions. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
'The result of that, as one of the prime ministers of one of the countries said to me,' | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
"Never again. We were in the class of '97. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
"We will never let that happen to us again." | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
And many of them said, "Never again. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
"Never are we going to get into a position | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
"where outside financial markets have this kind of sway over us." | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
Western protesters saw the crash of the Tiger economies as evidence | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
that globalisation was a new way for the rich West | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
to exploit the developing world. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
But if they were right, the tables were about to be turned. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
Those emerging economies of the East, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
burned by the experience of borrowing money on world markets, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
pledged never again to be dependent on Western speculators. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Across Asia, governments vowed to generate growth from resources, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
to save and invest, to export far more than they imported. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
And nowhere did the cult of thrift become stronger than in China, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
at the level of the state and of the individual. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
'Rena may earn a third of her British counterpart, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
'but she still manages to save.' | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
TRANSLATION: I usually spend at least half of my salary on my family, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:15 | |
including education fees for my daughter Lin Lin. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
I manage to save £6,000-£7,000 a year. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
I save the money for my parents' healthcare. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
They are getting older and China's healthcare system | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
is still not good enough. On top of that, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
I want to send Lin Lin to study abroad in the future. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
So I need to start saving for her as early as possible. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
The high savings rate in China | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
really comes down to the lack of social welfare. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
People fear that when they get old, they won't have a pension, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
when they get ill, nobody will be able to pay for them in hospital | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
and so they save like crazy at the moment for that rainy day. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
Under the umbrella of an expensive welfare state | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
and national health system, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
we seem less worried by rainy days. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
So how much do WE save? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
I save about... | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
Zero. Absolutely none of it at all. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Hardly anything. Nothing much at the moment, unfortunately. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Very little at the moment. Yes. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Most of my salary is taken from me before I even get it, to be honest. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
I'd say probably about 10%. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
-Not a lot, to be honest. -Nothing at the moment. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Fraction-wise? | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
About a sixth. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
-None. -None. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
And what are they saying about their saving habits | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
on the streets of Shanghai? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
TRANSLATION: I save at least 50% of my salary. It's true! | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
How could I survive? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
I have to save money to buy a house and for my children's education. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
About 50%. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
My husband and I, we both earn our living, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
so we spend one salary and save the other. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
About 30%. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
About 40%. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
I save for a rainy day, in case something comes up. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
Saving is a safe and stable way to manage my money. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
The Chinese consume half as much as we do, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
relative to the size of their economy. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
They save much, much more. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
What's more, in the decade before the crash, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
the great producing and exporting countries - | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
China, Japan and Germany - | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
leant their vast savings or surpluses | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
to the consuming economies - the US and much of Western Europe - | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
at a rate of a trillion dollars every year. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
The global economy was becoming dangerously, grotesquely unbalanced. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
The West was saying, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
"Let's encourage consumption. That will encourage growth." | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
China says, "Yes, we are a high-savings economy. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
"We have a trade surplus. We are a developing country. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
"We want to sell a lot overseas." | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
This is how you grow, this is how you catch up. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
And so you had a meeting, in some sense, of minds here. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
The developing economies, especially in Asia, saying, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
"We want export-led growth. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
"We are going to produce for consumers elsewhere." | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
And consumers in countries like the United States, the UK, Spain, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
increasing the consumption fuelled by credit, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
some of that credit coming from these very exporters, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
who are now saving much more and willing to finance. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
The painful legacy of all that lending by the producing countries, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
such as China, is the millstone round our necks | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
of record personal indebtedness. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
Our mortgages, credit card debts, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
personal loans and overdrafts have soared from £177 billion | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
at the time of Big Bang to £1.5 trillion today | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
that's more than the value of everything the UK produces in a single year. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
And here's what's particularly worrying. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
If interest rates return to anything like normal levels, well, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
the interest burden for millions of families would be crippling. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
On average, every single British adult owes £30,000 - | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
or a burdensome 165% of after-tax income. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
That has come down a bit, but our personal debts | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
are still the biggest they've been in our history | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
and unaffordable for many. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
My attitude towards debt is I try not to worry. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
I suppose, at times, we have to live beyond our means now | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
because the way prices are going, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
it's a struggle to keep afloat, if you like. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
As regards to our bills, and our credit card, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
we try to pay the card off as quickly as possible. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
We are getting squeezed from every direction. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
I like to live in quite a large, spacious house | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
with a large and spacious garden | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
and that always seems to need something to be done to it. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Unfortunately, the house is mortgaged. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
I'd much prefer if it were not, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
but our monthly outgoings to service the mortgage | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
is of the order of about £500 per month. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
There were times when, really, one went to the hole in the wall | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
and I wasn't quite sure if any money was going to come out. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
It absolutely got to that stage. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
That's not the situation we're in at the moment but, even so, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
with the mortgage payments and the children, it's pretty close to the bone. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
There is really very little spare at the moment. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
But it wasn't just consumers who took on excessive debts. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
Western banks borrowed recklessly to lend to us, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
taking dangerous risks to inflate their profit and pay. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
On the face of it, the story that was told | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
was of these institutions having achieved | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
a much greater level of profitability | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
than ever previously seen. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
Almost all of that increase was driven | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
not by banks having miraculously discovered | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
a money-making machine, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
but rather by them gearing up their balance sheet. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
If you go back just 10 years, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
the UK banking system had almost no external borrowings. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
By the end of 2007, it had £800 billion or so. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
So the banks went on their own borrowing binge | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
in order to finance consumption in the economy generally. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
They should not have done that. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
For the UK and other banks, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
a large chunk of that borrowing came from overseas. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
So it was global imbalances | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
that were providing the fuel for this money-making machine. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
It was debt, borrowed from overseas, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
that was providing the fuel for this machine. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
People, banks, governments and companies all borrowed | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
while money was cheap and plentiful. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
If you add all that debt together, it's equivalent to almost five times our national output, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
more than for any other big economy, except possibly Japan. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Capital, money, was surging to those parts of the world | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
where mainstream economic theory said it shouldn't be going. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Money was flowing not to those parts of the world | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
where investment opportunities were greatest - the East - | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
but instead it was flowing uphill | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
to finance not investment, but consumption in the West - | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
in the US and in the UK. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
It's both a deficit problem and it's a surplus problem. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
These big, emerging economies have fixed exchange rates. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
To keep their currencies cheap, they buy up dollar assets. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
What does buying dollar assets do? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
It pushes down borrowing costs in the United States, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
making it cheaper for the Americans to borrow, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
even though they're really indebted. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
The endless flow of cheap credit from the producing countries - | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
not just China, but also Germany and Japan | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
meant that consumers in the UK, the US and much of Western Europe | 0:43:05 | 0:43:11 | |
could keep on spending, even though we were not paying our way. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
We were not producing enough of the goods and services | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
that the rest of the world wanted to buy. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
And every time our consumption-dependent economies | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
hit a bump in the road, the policy response - | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
led by the free-market prophet Alan Greenspan - | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
was to cut interest rates so that we could borrow even more! | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
Let's be clear - | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
things in the West seemed pretty good. OK? | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
We had growth around trend and inflation around target. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
OK, we were spending a bit more than we were earning | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
and that meant a current account deficit. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
That meant borrowing from overseas, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
but we could do that at spectacularly low global interest rates | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
because the East was saving so much. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
So I think it was perhaps understandable | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
that the global imbalances, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
that these deficits, that excess borrowing, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
wasn't being taken as that much of a problem during the go-go years. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:27 | |
By the early 2000s, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
lending and borrowing was going into overdrive. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
Everyone wanted a piece of the action. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
Houses weren't places to live in, they were investments - | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
our pension pots. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
So you had a tremendous housing boom picking up, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
across industrial countries. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
The ECB? No, kept interest rates low. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
The Fed kept interest rates low. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:52 | |
No wonder Ireland went on a spending spree, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:57 | |
building tonnes of housing. Spain went on a spending spree. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
You can correlate it to the interest rates | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
that people faced in those countries. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
And the housing boom added further fuel to the consumer boom. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
People who are borrowing against rising house prices | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
didn't actually feel they were going into debt - | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
they were just taking out the home equity. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
And so, you know, I borrow to buy another car | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
or borrow to take a vacation, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
but it's my money because my house went up in price. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
And, of course, the financial sector was saying, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
"House prices are never going to fall across the board. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
"Don't even worry about it. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
"It hasn't happened since the Great Depression." | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
Well, it did happen, and that's when the party came to an end. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
Lehman Brothers has filed for bankruptcy after billion-pound losses. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
'5,000 staff at Lehman Brothers' London office had no work to do, except look for another job...' | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
The property crash, the paralysis in financial markets, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
huge losses incurred by bloated banks, like Lehman Brothers and RBS, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
led in 2008 to the worst global financial and economic crisis | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
since the 1930s. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
But the collapse of the banks was when our problems began, not when they ended. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
The crash was the moment when it became clear that our golden age | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
was based on an illusion - | 0:46:25 | 0:46:26 | |
the illusion that sustainable prosperity could be built on debt. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:31 | |
When the economies seized up as banks stopped lending, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
governments filled the breach by continuing to spend | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
despite collapsing tax revenues. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
So, as banks repaid their debts, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
the indebtedness of governments exploded. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
And in that sense, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:47 | |
banking sector debt was simply shuffled off to the public sector. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
That's why today's anxiety | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
is about whether governments, especially in the eurozone, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
can repay all they owe. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
Public sector borrowing surged in Britain, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
the US and the eurozone | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
as governments kept spending to keep the economy going | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
when tax revenues were collapsing. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
The great fear of investors is that some of those governments, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
especially in the eurozone, won't be able to repay their debts. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
Western consuming companies | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
owe trillions of dollars to the great producing nations. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
The crash of 2008 began to topple an unbalanced global economic system. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:36 | |
The fact that there are imbalances | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
is not itself a concern. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
The concern is the direction of the imbalances. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
A country like the United States, a rich country, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
ageing population should have a surplus to save for | 0:47:51 | 0:47:56 | |
as the older people come to retirement age. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
Developing countries like China should have a deficit. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
They should be borrowing to finance their infrastructure, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
their housing and so forth. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
The problem is it's just the opposite. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
In the new global free market, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
the rich developed countries of the West | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
believed everyone would be a winner. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
But they - we - have become the victims | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
of what is perhaps the world's first truly global economic crisis. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
I think that in the aftermath of 2008, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
in the aftermath of the financial crisis, there's a fear, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
a growing sense among politicians, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
that maybe this isn't just a transitional problem, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
and that we're going to be stuck with a large part of our population | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
that can cope in a globalised world, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
but also a fairly large part of our population | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
that can't cope in a globalised world. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
That doesn't have, er... | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
the skills to move upmarket to find this fantasy technology job, | 0:48:56 | 0:49:01 | |
but that cannot work at the wages that a Chinese worker will work at, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
and therefore they're sitting there on the dole | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
because the dole in Britain is a lot higher than the wage in China. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
We realised too late that it was time to get back to work. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:20 | |
The party went on and on. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
Growth was unsustainably stimulated by a frenzy of borrowing | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
as regulators failed to stem reckless lending by banks | 0:49:26 | 0:49:31 | |
and central bankers kept interest rates far too low. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
Few wanted to see what was really happening. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
I can remember having Christmas lunch with the Prime Minister in 2006 | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
and saying, "Nobody looks at the money supply any more. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
"You say inflation is only 2%, but the money supply | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
"is going up at 12% per annum. What's it going into?" | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
Of course it was going into an asset bubble. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
Many of us were complicit. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
No-one forced us to binge on spending and borrowing. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
Perhaps naively, we didn't question whether we could afford it all, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:04 | |
whether the growth in our economy and living standards | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
was real and sustainable. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
How much of that growth was, in your view, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
due to unsustainable increases in borrowing? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
A lot of that growth was unsustainable. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
It was to some extent a bit of a fool's paradise. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
The government went round claiming | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
we'd got the best growth since the year of Hanoverians, | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
but it was actually based on very, very insecure foundations. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
And when you get an enormous build-up of people | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
borrowing way beyond what they can sustain on the basis of cheap capital - | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
you know, house prices were getting out of control, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
the banks were not properly managed - | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
and all this was going to come to a very sticky end. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
As indeed it did. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
One of our most senior bankers, Sir Philip Hampton, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
concedes the role played by banks in pumping up our debts. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
People can only consume as people did consume | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
because they were able to borrow and borrow very cheaply, | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
either to buy homes, to buy consumer goods, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
all the things that they were enjoying | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
without necessarily earning. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
I would say the banks were at the heart of it | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
-as the key transmission mechanism. -What's your view about | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
why we just didn't see the risks that we were taking? | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
I think we became convinced that markets would always find a solution | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
and that if we let markets operate, they would be self-correcting | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
and that turned out to be the wrong judgement. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
In some respects, we should've seen this coming. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
Why didn't we? Well, there is this psychological phenomenon | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
called disaster myopia, which means that the further away | 0:51:42 | 0:51:47 | |
you are from a disaster, the more you discount it. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
I think this disaster myopia | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
was a core cause of us turning a blind eye | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
to what with hindsight | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
were very obviously over-leveraged balance sheets | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
across all spectrum of society. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
We started to consume without doing the work. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
And consumption without the work means borrowing, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
and we all had a part to play in that, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
I think, if we're honest with ourselves. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
We have become a big consumer society and not a big producing society. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
China's model is the opposite - | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
they produce SIGNIFICANTLY more than they consume. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
And for the Li family and for hundreds of millions of Chinese, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
globalisation has delivered real rewards. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
TRANSLATION: There has been a huge change in our lives. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
It's like heaven now. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
We eat better, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:55 | |
we have enough money, you can wear any clothes you like. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
In the past we didn't have enough to eat, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
and the clothes were all black or white, very few were colour, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
and we couldn't afford them anyway. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
Perhaps Rena's 15-year-old daughter Lin Lin shows the attitudes | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
we'll need if we're to win in the global economic race. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
-TRANSLATION: -I've heard that in the West, people chase their dreams. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
But it's difficult to do that in China. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
Most people are quite busy with their daily lives. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
They need to work and make money. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
In the past, you could beat your fellow students | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
by studying very hard. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
Now you put the same effort in just to keep up. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
So you have to study harder, harder and harder to stand out. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:02 | |
Rena is optimistic as she looks ahead. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
-TRANSLATION: -China has changed a lot over the past few decades, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
but it's not such a big shock to me. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
I believe China will be stronger in the future, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
but this strength is only for itself | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
and it won't be a threat to other countries in the world. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
What about Rena's colleagues in the UK, NVC's British staff? | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
I think it's a shame a lot of industry in this country | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
seems to be going down the pan or being shipped abroad, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
or being owned by foreign countries. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
It's as if we're becoming a giant warehouse, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
just distributing to the rest of the world, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
and not actually making, creating, which obviously brings jobs. | 0:54:55 | 0:55:00 | |
It seems as though the children are going to face | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
a much tougher future, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
but I always try to put a positive spin on things, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
and no-one's got a crystal ball. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
It might pick up. It looks dire at the moment, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
and if you listen to what they're saying out there, | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
it most probably will be dire. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
But I'd like to think that there might be a chink of light at the end of the tunnel. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
We might go through a rough patch, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
but we'll come out on the other side, fruitful. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
James Hunter Johnston sees the bad and good of globalisation. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
'The children are going to have to compete their fellow villagers | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
'in Shanghai or Beijing or Mumbai, no question about it. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
'But there's another side to the coin. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
'The global economy has brought them' | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
lower cost and higher quality goods | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
than I or my parents could ever have dreamed of possessing. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
# Turn out the lights | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
# The party's over... # | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
Whatever the benefits of globalisation, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
there can be no return to debt-fuelled capitalism in the West. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
We've reached the end of the road - | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
I mean, the particular way of doing capitalism for kind of 30 years | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
has actually proved to be dysfunctional and has failed. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
And now we have to ask ourselves big questions | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
about how to how to do better capitalism. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
What we didn't pay as much attention to | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
was the possibility that the cheap money | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
flowing into industrial countries | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
was actually making the financial sector more fragile. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
The same lesson the emerging markets learned in the 1990s | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
is something the industrial countries have to learn now, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
which is you cannot push | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
your own demand fuelled with credit too strongly. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
Modern financial markets, even for strong industrial countries, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
-are unwilling to tolerate that. -I think many people in the West | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
are seeing the downside of globalisation | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
that many people in the emerging markets saw before. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
The principle of globalisation, international trade, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
was that when it is managed well, everybody could benefit. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
Increasingly, particularly in the West, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
the growing inequality that has often been associated with globalisation | 0:57:25 | 0:57:30 | |
is actually undermining social cohesion. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
When you consume far more than you earn, as we did for many years, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
eventually there's a reckoning. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
The best way of seeing the crash of 2007-08 | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
is as that reckoning, the moment when the penny dropped | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
that much of the rich West | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
had borrowed far more than it could ever repay. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
The global economic system, | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
which had seen the producing countries, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
many of them relatively poor, lending to the consumer countries, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
which in its heyday had produced record amounts of growth, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
well, that system was bust. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
The party is over. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
In the next programme, | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
I'll be look at what this economic crisis | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
means for us over the coming decade. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
If we are going to build a sustainable economy, | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
what kind of sacrifices will we have to make? | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 | |
What does it mean for our living standards? | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 | |
And can we respond properly to the challenge of China? | 0:58:33 | 0:58:38 | |
# Turn out the lights | 0:58:38 | 0:58:39 | |
# The party's over | 0:58:42 | 0:58:43 | |
# They say that all | 0:58:45 | 0:58:47 | |
# Good things must end | 0:58:49 | 0:58:51 | |
# Call it a night | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 | |
# The party's over... # | 0:58:56 | 0:58:57 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:58:57 | 0:59:00 | |
E-mail [email protected] | 0:59:00 | 0:59:02 |