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World. Katya Adler goes to Spain to investigate claims of widespread | :00:02. | :00:12. | |
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Spain is reeling from an avalanche of shocking allegations of baby | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
theft and baby trafficking. It has been recently revealed to be going | :00:18. | :00:25. | |
on for decades. Graves are being exhumed. Their contents show the | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
cynical deceit used to trade in human lives. TRANSLATION: She was | :00:31. | :00:41. | |
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Since the Spanish Civil War, hundreds and thousands of babies | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
has been trafficked by nuns, priests and doctors. I have been | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
meeting the heartbroken mothers searching for the children they | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
thought had died at birth. TRANSLATION: I was convinced they | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
did not bury the baby. I had doubted the boy died. He is alive | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
in my heart. The stall and an trafficked babies are grown up, | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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searching for their biological Madrid housewife Manoli Pagador has | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
three-quarters. And lots of grandchildren. She never got over | :01:46. | :01:53. | |
the loss of her first-born, a son, nearly 40 years ago. Tributes win | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
their first taught me he died, that was the worst thing on earth. My | :01:57. | :02:07. | |
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world collapsed. From that moment on, I no longer existed. In April | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
1971, Manoli Pagador gave birth to a healthy baby boy week in | :02:13. | :02:23. | |
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The birth seemed to go well. There were no complications. The horror | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
of what happened next has thwarted Manoli Pagador ever since. | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
TRANSLATION: I said, are you not going to give him to me? They said, | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
no. We need to give him to the doctor. At first, I had a baby | :02:41. | :02:51. | |
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crying. That crying went away. It went further away. And then, nine | :02:54. | :03:01. | |
hours later, a man arrived. She said, your baby has died. -- a | :03:01. | :03:10. | |
Manoli Pagador and her husband never believed their baby died. | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
Like many other parents across Spain with similar stories, they | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
believed their child was stolen. I have always doubted the boy died. | :03:21. | :03:31. | |
Until recently, some members of Manoli Pagador's own family doubted | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
her. Her eldest daughter of believes passionately that her | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
brother was stolen. She has turned detective to find out the truth. | :03:40. | :03:48. | |
TRANSLATION: My mother has told me her story many times. How she had | :03:48. | :03:57. | |
her baby and how they treated her. I feel so much anger. So much. | :03:57. | :04:04. | |
Right now, I am living in a bubble and looking for my brother. Us | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
victims will do the investigation. I will tell you that now. Recent | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
events in Spain have given Manoli Pagador and Mar and thousands like | :04:13. | :04:22. | |
them new hope. TRANSLATION: Hundreds of Spaniards he believed | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
they were the victim of last baby trafficking demand as a national | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
investigation. There are alleged incidents of trades of the Spanish | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
infants including baby steps. The volume and similarity of their | :04:37. | :04:47. | |
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The campaign was spearheaded by Some of the families who believed | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
their babies were stolen had begun private investigations. Shocking | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
evidence has emerged. Babies' graves are being exhumed across | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
Spain, making for disturbing discoveries. One Great had a pile | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
of stones in it. Another, the remains of an adult leg. The grave | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
of a baby girl showed the brains of a baby boy, my relative at all to | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
the distraught parents. Spaniards are appalled. As public pressure | :05:29. | :05:37. | |
advance, there are likely to be more exhumations in the coming once. | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
While most of the exhumations have been done privately, a judge in | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
southern Spain has ordered the first state exhibition. The Spanish | :05:46. | :05:54. | |
government has appointed a national co-ordinator to oversee this. The | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
project is called ninos robados, or the stolen children. How many are | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
there? I do not come up with a figure myself but from the volume | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
of his official investigations, there are many. This is a serious | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
matter. When it affects something as essential as your own identity, | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
the right to know your origins is a fundamental right. Spain's judicial | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
system is examining cases which took place between 1960 and 1990. | :06:27. | :06:37. | |
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The origins of this tragedy are In 1939, General Franco seized | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
power at the end of the civil war. He began a dictatorship over a | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
country that was economically devastated and bitterly divided on | :06:55. | :07:04. | |
Thousands were executed or imprisoned. Their children were | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
placed with right-wing Catholic families or put into institutions | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
run by the clergy, and brainwashed with a fascist doctrine. To seal | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
the fate of the children of his enemies, Franco and acted a new | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
option war in 1941. It made it legal to name the adoptive parents | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
of -- the biological parents. Infants were unaware that they were | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
adopted and that other people told some otherwise. His deceit laid the | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
foundation for the mass trafficking of babies that would follow for the | :07:40. | :07:50. | |
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While Spanish society continues to be rocked by the scandal pop -- | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
scandal, reverberations are built around the world. Randy Ryder was | :08:01. | :08:08. | |
born in Spain but used in Texas. He is a writer. He had a difficult | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
childhood, living between an Austrian mother and a Texan father. | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
For the first half of my life, I spent with my mother. She was an | :08:17. | :08:27. | |
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alcoholic. She would say that you are not really mind. And that I got | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
you from a very bad woman in Spain. But I was... I read that off as | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
gibberish. It was only by accident that Randy Ryder began to find out | :08:42. | :08:50. | |
the trees. He was holidaying with his own son with his -- in Austria. | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
He was commented on the lack of resemblance between his grandson | :08:54. | :09:04. | |
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and his mother. At that point, my grandmother was -- looked at me and | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
said, you do not have my blood. I said, what are you talking about? | :09:09. | :09:17. | |
She said, you are not part of my blood biologically. When Randy | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
Ryder confronted his father about what his grandmother has said, his | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
father admitted he had been bought. He finally said, OK, you are. I | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
want you to know that the best -- picked the best one of the bunch. | :09:35. | :09:45. | |
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He told me that he provided $5,000 to pay for the first. -- the birth. | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
A large percentage of that cash went to someone. Randy Ryder | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
requested his birth certificate from the Spanish Consulate. He was | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
surprised that the people who knows -- that those people were listed as | :10:02. | :10:10. | |
his biological parents. The combination of Franco's adoption | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
laws have left victims like Randy rider few clues as to their real | :10:15. | :10:25. | |
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identity. Mar's own investigation is growing. She believes Randy | :10:26. | :10:33. | |
Ryder is her stall and brother. TRANSLATION: She was watching the | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
numerous TV programmes dedicated to helping victims search for their | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
biological relatives. She spotted an immediate family resemblance in | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
one of the contributors. I saw him on television. I felt, this guy | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
looks a lot like my father. I was a nervous wreck. After thinking for | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
40 years that my brother had died, I now find out that he could be | :10:58. | :11:08. | |
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Randy Ryder, Manoli Pagador and Mar have decided to get DNA tested to | :11:17. | :11:23. | |
see if they are related. They will pick the DNA results together. A | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
handful of DNA matches have already been made between stolen babies and | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
mothers who were told their child had died. It is concrete proof that | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
for decades, Spanish papers were being forcibly taken and sold on. | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
Under Franco, the Church assumed a prominent role in Spain's social | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
services, including hospitals, schools and children's homes. | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
Individual nuns and priests were ideally placed to organise the | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
trafficking of babies, sorting them from others as -- that they | :11:58. | :12:08. | |
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There are numerous support groups, blogs and websites where the teams | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
level allegations at individual doctors, hospitals and private | :12:17. | :12:27. | |
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clinics. The most Pretorius of these is the clinic in the -- | :12:27. | :12:34. | |
notorious, is this clinic in Madrid. It is wisely being described as | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
extremely catholic. Hundreds of babies are believed to be traffic | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
from this clinic. It was well known to be the place to go if you wanted | :12:43. | :12:51. | |
a baby fast and have the means to pay for it. In 1981, civil registry | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
sources indicated that 70% of women who gave birth at the clinic were | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
registered as mother unknown. This was legal under Spanish law. It was | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
meant to protect the anonymity -- anonymity of unmarried mothers. But | :13:08. | :13:16. | |
it was widely used to cover up baby trafficking. Photojournalist was | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
working for interview magazine in 1982. They received a tip-off about | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
unmarried mothers being coerced to give up their babies for | :13:24. | :13:34. | |
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trafficking. TRANSLATION: There was a Doctor Who ran the clinic. We | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
tried to speak to him so he could tell us what was going on. He | :13:40. | :13:50. | |
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They told us things that people would arrive to give birth and then | :13:55. | :14:04. | |
one person would take another baby. At one point during the interview | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
they told us but when women wanted to keep their baby they were then | :14:08. | :14:16. | |
told their baby had been born dead. I said, do they not want to see it? | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
They said yes but we keep several babies in the freezer. He then | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
arranged to return it to the San Ramon clinic in the dead of night | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
to see for himself. This nurse opened the door and we went through | :14:33. | :14:43. | |
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to a back room. They opened the door to a freeserve. They showed me | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
a child, a baby girl, that had been stillborn. They kept her as a model | :14:48. | :14:58. | |
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I have come to Tenerife to see a woman who believes her baby was | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
stolen in the 1980s. Her story is similar to many people who say | :15:17. | :15:27. | |
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their babies was taken from them at Dr Eduardo Vela had sedated her | :15:35. | :15:45. | |
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When she came round he was at her TRANSLATION: Dr Eduardo Vela told | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
me the birds had been complicated and the baby had had some | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
difficulties. He was not sure that she had survived. I started to cry | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
and he told me, do not cry. I am going to baptise her so that she | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
will go to heaven with the angels. Then he came back with that thing. | :16:20. | :16:29. | |
It was wrapped in a towel or a cloth or something. He courts the | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
baby close to me. It was very pale he said. Give her a kiss. So I kiss | :16:34. | :16:44. | |
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her. -- I gave her a kiss. Why was she so cold? She was completely | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
frozen. Shortly afterwards, Dr Eduardo Vela return. This time | :16:51. | :17:00. | |
without the baby. He strokes me and told me, do not cry. God has taken | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
her with him. It is better this way because a child with disfigurements | :17:05. | :17:15. | |
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and health problems would have been She went on to have more children | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
but she never believed her baby really died. She is convinced that | :17:21. | :17:28. | |
she knows why she was targeted to have her baby taken. TRANSLATION: I | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
probably did not fit the right profile for the doctor. At the time | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
I was a divorcee with a child outside marriage and with a younger | :17:36. | :17:44. | |
man. I do not believe in God. I am a politically incorrect person | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
because I am towards the left. Everybody knows this. I work with | :17:49. | :17:57. | |
left-wing movements in Madrid. He knew all of this. She is not the | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
only mother who believes she was shown a frozen baby by a Dr Eduardo | :18:02. | :18:10. | |
Vela as part of an elaborate deceit. Clare one was able to run a baby | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
factory for decades, producing babies Forder without being held to | :18:14. | :18:21. | |
account. We asked him for an interview but he declined, as he | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
has done towards any requests for interviews. I gave birth in his | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
latest clinic, here in Madrid, over one year ago. That is how I have | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
managed to get an appointment to see him today. As a newly expecting | :18:36. | :18:46. | |
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He immediately assumed I was talking about the allegations of | :19:12. | :19:22. | |
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He explained he was providing a service for women who did not once | :19:30. | :19:40. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 80 seconds | :19:40. | :21:01. | |
or could not keep their baby. -- He clearly had had enough of my | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
questions and headed for the door. Dr Eduardo Vela denies any | :21:06. | :21:15. | |
wrongdoing. He still claims he was storing the baby in the freezer to | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
carry out an autopsy. Experts I have spoken to save the story has | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
made no sense and would clearly be in contradiction of to loss at the | :21:27. | :21:34. | |
time. People at the clinic have difficulty finding information for | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
their babies because the doctor burnt all of the files. Their only | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
hope now is the end a matching. This lady and her daughter have | :21:43. | :21:50. | |
come to Madrid to me Randy Ryder, who is arriving from Texas. -- to | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
meet. Tomorrow they will get the results of their DNA tests to see | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
if they are actually related. TRANSLATION: I am nervous and | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
excited. I am happy because I am going to meet him in person. Just | :22:07. | :22:17. | |
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talking about it makes my heart In the end, all of Spain's stolen | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
and a traffic babies have to hang on is there hope that the end a | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
matching will succeed in reuniting their families. The day has finally | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
come fall all of these people to find out the truth. -- to come for. | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
I have spent much time looking in the mirror and asking, who are you? | :22:55. | :23:04. | |
Where do You come from? More months of waiting and hoping are about to | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
end, here at the DNA testing laboratory. They are about to find | :23:09. | :23:19. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 80 seconds | :23:19. | :24:47. | |
It is such an awful feeling. They talks about it, the possibility | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
that may be Randy Ryder was not the Sun and further they were looking | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
for. But when the final result came and you see their faces and you | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
know their lives that were broken before, just feel a little bit more | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
broken now. This is happening all over Spain. The same crisis, that | :25:06. | :25:14. |