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He was the boy from the Valleys who lived the dream, finding fame and | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
fortune in a rock band. But off stage, he committed the most | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
horrendous crimes involving children. He blurts out, I have got | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
a two-year-old on Tuesday. What do you mean you have got a two-year-old | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
on Tuesday? I have got a two-year-old to rape on Tuesday. | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
There are calls for an inquiry. Because of the number of children | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
involved, the numbers of forces involved, some kind of large inquiry | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
really needs to happen. For the first time, we can reveal | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
the details behind a second case linked to the same police officer | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
who is under investigation. He could have been stopped a lot sooner. A | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
hell of a lot sooner. Tonight, we examine new evidence and investigate | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
if there were missed opportunities to stop a paedophile. | :00:59. | :01:21. | |
Arriving at court, this is the woman who would help put Ian Watkins | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
behind bars. It doesn't matter how many years he gets. It doesn't | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
matter about his life being taken away. It doesn't give any children | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
whose lives has been ruined, destroyed, it doesn't give them | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
their lives back. Watkins is driven away to begin a 29 | :01:41. | :01:50. | |
year jail sentence. He admitted carrying out offences with the help | :01:51. | :02:01. | |
of superfans. Watkins' offending went unchecked for years. Social | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
services were made aware of concerns about him. But he remained a free | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
man, free to carry out the most horrific crimes. | :02:12. | :02:19. | |
Ian David Karslake Watkins was brought up in Pontypridd and went to | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
Hawthorn High School. Tell us about how it happened for you as a band? | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
Does it go back to school? We grew up together. We lived within a few | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
acres of each other kind of thing. Watkins studied graphic design and | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
graduated with a first from South Wales University. He got a job as a | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
graphic designer, but he was distracted by his first love, music. | :02:49. | :03:01. | |
We never really turned down a gig. If some kid saw us at a gig and | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
said, "It is my birthday, will you play?" Bethan interviewed the band | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
and continued to chart their progress for years. The heavy rock | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
music of the South Wales Valleys became international and largely | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
thanks to the Lostprophets because they were one of the first bands | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
that signed huge international record deals. They signed to | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
managers that the biggest rock bands in the world were looking after. | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
Really, it was so surprising because they came from nowhere. They were | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
just kids. They were school friends. And they were from a small town that | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
really hadn't seen anything like it before. As the lead singer and front | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
man of the band, it was Ian Watkins who attracted a lot of the | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
attention. He was great fun and he was a funny character. He was yes, | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
he was charismatic and energetic and enthusiastic about what he was doing | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
and loved getting the attention really. The band were real rock | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
stars now and Ian Watkins let the cameras into his home in Pontypridd. | :04:10. | :04:22. | |
Just weeks later, Watkins was contacted by a woman who would go on | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
to expose him as a paedophile. Joanne Mjadzelics got in touch with | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
the Lostprophets star on the internet. She ended up exchanging | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
messages online with Watkins and agreed to meet him a hotel before a | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
concert in Leeds. He was really charismatic, charming and I just | :04:45. | :04:54. | |
totally just, I don't know, just normal. Would it be fair to say he | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
swept you off your feet? Yeah, he did. As I got to know him, I saw him | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
as the guy who took care of his family. Looked after his mum. | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
Watkins and Joanne, who was an escort, began a sexual relationship, | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
but later he began to tell her things which made her feel uneasy. | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
It starts off with him saying to me about all these 14-year-old fans | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
that he had abused and took the virginity off and he had been saying | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
that he wanted to get me pregnant. He wanted to get me pregnant so he | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
could abuse the baby. Joanne threatened to report him to the | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
police, because she suspected he was abusing a young child. She says | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
Watkins begged her not to and he got his solicitors to draw up a gagging | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
order against her. He presents you with a document which in effect | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
claims that you made all this up... That I was a liar. And that you were | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
a liar... Yes. And you signed it? Yeah. I was forced to sign it really | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
under duress, but I signed it because I sought legal advice as | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
well. What advice had you been given? That I could still go to the | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
police because he was threatening me. He was saying I couldn't go to | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
the police if I signed that. Is it possible that the police have taken | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
a sceptical view of you and your story because of the gagging order? | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
Because this document exists which you signed and in which you said you | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
made this up? I think it is an excuse. It is an excuse because I | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
can't make up a child, can I? Having signed the gagging order, | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
Joanne received ?2,000 from Watkins for what she says was services she | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
provided him as an escort. At the end of December 2008, Joanne | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
did go ahead and contact South Wales Police. At the Child Protection Unit | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
at Pontypridd Police Station. Joanne says she did more than tell the | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
police about the disturbing things that Watkins had told her. She also | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
says she sent them a copy of this photograph. It shows a young girl of | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
about four years of age, who is holding a photo frame with the | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
picture of a scantily clad woman. On top of the frame is a razor blade | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
and a thin line of white powder. In her other hand, the girl is holding | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
a rolled up ?20 note. It appears to be drugs paraphernalia | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
and Joanne says Watkins told her t white powder was cocaine, we can't | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
show the picture for legal reasons. Joanne told us she went to Rhondda | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
Cynon Taff Social Services as well as the police to tell them about the | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
girl in the picture. Did they tell you what action they were taking? | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
No. You see, they wouldn't. This is what was so frustrating for me | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
because I was reporting, every single time I made a report I was | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
left out of the loop. You know, you have reported it now, we can't | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
discuss this any further. We can't tell you what we've done. It would | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
be like, but you need to tell me. Is she safe what? But she says she kept | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
going back to social services with concerns about the girl. It was | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
repeated calls about the same little girl over time. Every time I knew my | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
complaints were not going anywhere with the police, I would back it up | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
by getting social services to do something. I would say, "Can you do | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
something about this?" David 9//11 is a lead -- David Nevin is a former | :08:36. | :08:46. | |
chairman of the British Association of Social Workers. We showed him the | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
picture and asked for his opinion. I can't tell from a photograph whether | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
that's really drugs or whatever, but the staging of it is to my mind | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
inappropriate for a child. Joanne thought her evidence, the | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
picture of the child, together with her concerns about Watkins would | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
trigger action by the police. They just kept telling me the same | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
excuse. They haven't decided how to interview me yet. That was the | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
standard excuse, I am saying you need to get her out of his way. You | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
need to get her out of danger. In April 2009, three months after she | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
reported Watkins to police in propbty Pontypridd, she was visited | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
by an officer who took a video statement. A detective | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
superintendent from South Wales Police told her they weren't going | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
to investigate further. Did you give you any explanation? Not enough | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
evidence. I said, "But it is happening. If anything happens to | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
another child, it is on your head, not mine because I know that he will | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
continue." What would normally happen would be | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
that the police would talk to social services who have got a lead in that | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
field and social services would convene a strategy meeting that | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
would involve the key people that they were aware of in that child's | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
life. That's the whole point of making collective decisions about a | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
situation. Rhondda Cynon Taff Social Services | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
says it did take action in line with agreed procedures following Joanne's | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
report to them in December 2008. It is 2009 and the Lostprophets are | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
regularly headlining huge rock festivals in this country and | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
abroad. Earlier in his career, Watkins had shunned drink and drugs | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
and was what is called straight edged. But now his behaviour was | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
beginning to worry those around him. We have spoken to a close friend of | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
Watkins who told us of her concerns. She doesn't wish to be identified | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
and an actress tells her story. He was an amazing guy and then the | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
drugs happened. It started with coke and then ecstasy and then in LA he | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
found crystal meth and that's what he became scared of. That became his | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
everything. It was more important than anything. We all tried to help | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
him. He was an extremist. He was completely straight edged. And then | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
he just turned into a complete junky. | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
The band was spending a lot of time in Los Angeles recording their | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
music. He was constantly off his face. He | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
wouldn't shower for days. His apartment was a complete wreck. Fast | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
forward to the beginning of 2010 and the band come home. They perform at | :11:57. | :12:06. | |
Hawthorn High in Pontypridd. They were supporting a Welsh Government | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
campaign to promote the Valleys. A few months later, Joanne gets back | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
in touch with Watkins believing she must have been wrong about him and | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
she apologises. I thought maybe I did get it wrong. Maybe I did | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
because you know, the police didn't do anything about it. He was saying | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
all along it was just coke talk and it wasn't real. So maybe I did get | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
it wrong. So I contact him and I say to him, "I'm sorry that I reported | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
you. I must have got it wrong because the police didn't do | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
anything." A couple of weeks later, they meet up at a hotel in Leeds. | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
Joanne is horrified by a video on his laptop which she says shows a | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
young girl being raped. He is sat there and just staring at me, but | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
that evil smirk on his face because he wanted a reaction. I could just | :13:06. | :13:22. | |
feel the tears. I'm thinking at the same time, "Oh my god, I wasn't | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
wrong about him. I wasn't wrong about him." At the same time in my | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
head I'm thinking I've got to report him again, but I can't report him | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
again because what am I going to say, he has got this video and he is | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
going to hide his laptop like he hid everything Els the last time? Joanne | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
says she through him out of the hotel and didn't feel able to go to | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
the police again at this stage because she didn't think they would | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
believe her. In October 201 South Wales Police | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
received information from the Metropolitan Police detailing | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
allegations against Watkins. But significantly, the complaint was not | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
made by Joanne, we don't know who the complainant was or what action | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
was taken. Nine months later, Watkins is back | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
recording in Los Angeles. He started telling me about this five-year-old | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
girl that he has been raping on a regular basis in Los Angeles and I | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
asked him whose child it was and he said she is just some obsessed junky | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
mum and that's the first time he mentioned like using a fan's child. | :14:35. | :14:42. | |
Watkins sent three indecent images to her BlackBerry phone. A shocked | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
Joanne got back in touch with South Wales Police with fresh concerns. | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
She was referred back to the same Child Protection Unit at popbt prid | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
police station and the same -- propbty prid police station and the | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
same detective superintendent. He said, "He is in Los Angeles?" I said | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
yes. I could tell in his voice that he couldn't be arseked basically -- | :15:08. | :15:16. | |
dance basically. I'm telling him I've got the pictures and I need | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
someone to look. Was it that he just didn't believe you? Maybe. Maybe he | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
thought, but why would I make that up? | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
Fearing that her various concerns about Watkins aren't being followed | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
up, Joanne turns to the father of the little girl in the picture and | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
she is shocked to discover that he knows nothing about the photograph | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
involving his daughter. He called me late one Saturday night and I said | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
to him, were you aware of a complaint I made against Ian? He | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
said no. I said well, I did in 2008 and I said that's strange because I | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
made child services promise me that they would speak to you and they | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
said in all cases, we have to speak to both parents. We have spoken to | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
the child's father and he has confirmed that he did report the | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
matter to South Wales Police, but says he was told not to pursue it | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
anymore because it could ruin Ian's career. | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
The father also asked what social services had done? And he was told | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
they looked into the allegations and that they were satisfied his | :16:28. | :16:36. | |
daughter was safe. It is now March 2012 and eye vents begin to -- | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
events begin to move quickly. Watkins' offending appears to be | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
getting worse, but despite warnings to South Wales Police, he is able to | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
carry on abusing children unchecked. Joanne is in contact with a woman on | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
Twitter who in turn knows Watkins. Joanne is concerned that Watkins may | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
have access to the woman's young child. We exchange a few e-mails and | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
then we exchange phone numbers and she calls me and I tell her I'm | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
wanting to make an appointment to go and see the police to make a | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
statement again and to give them my laptop, I said have you got | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
anything? She said well, yeah, he got me he wants to put GCBH in his | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
sippy cup and on his dummy and rape him. | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
Joanne agrees with the woman to visit her local police station at | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
Doncaster a few days later. But she fails to turn up. She is obsessed | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
with this man and she is siding with him, I know she is and that baby is | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
in danger because he has been in contact with that baby. A month | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
before, I'm telling them that he is going to rape a baby, a month | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
before, he actually does. Just weeks later, Watkins and the young mother | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
meet up in a hotel in London and attempt to rape her baby boy. | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
They even video the horrific offence, she will be caught along | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
with Watkins and jailed, but not yet. | :18:12. | :18:19. | |
That very same night, Watkins had been at a party promoting the band's | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
new album. The next day, he was doing media interviews. There was a | :18:27. | :18:35. | |
special kind of cashe with celebrity abusers, we have seen it with Jimmy | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
Savile whatever. The abuse of children is the abuse of power as | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
much of sexual abuse. If you give somebody almost unlimited power and | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
they are inclined to abuse children then you are putting together a | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
toxic formula and that is probably what happened with Watkins. | :18:55. | :19:03. | |
While she says she wasn't aware of his offending, Watkins' friend was | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
worried about his behaviour. The record company gave him an | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
intervention. The band and the management sat him down and in April | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
2012 he was the worst he had ever been. The band was so close to | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
breaking up because he was so awful. They tried really hard. He was never | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
doing anything. But he couldn't be watched 24 hours a day. | :19:31. | :19:40. | |
At this time, Essex Police contacted detectives in South Wales and passed | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
on further information and further allegations about Watkins. | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
These new concerns followed the reports by Joanne, the father of the | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
girl in the photograph, and the Metropolitan Police. The cause for | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
suspicion appeared to be growing. At about this time, a separate case | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
involving the detective sergeant emerges. That same officer is being | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
investigated over an allegations that he may not have acted on a | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
report of the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl. We can reveal this | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
is the accused man in that case, Simon Ashman. He was not convicted | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
of raping the teenager, but in oct October last year, he was jailed for | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
separate offences. He denied raping the 15-year-old, but months later, | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
he went on to assault a five-year-old girl. The little | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
girl's mother wants to nose if the attack -- know if the attack could | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
have been prevented. My daughter has nightmares. She feels she has been | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
chased. She has woken up in hot sweats. It takes a long time to calm | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
her. My daughter tries to sleep in my bed. She doesn't want to let me | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
go. I am heart broken because of the change in my beautiful girl. A | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
little girl who has been tarnished. We have spoken to a woman who knew | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
Ashman well. She says he was known to South Wales Police for years. | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
Quite often he would have young girls in his house and the police | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
knew this. So I don't know why they couldn't investigate it a lot more. | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
I think if they, if he could have been stopped a lot sooner, a hell of | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
a lot sooner. What more do you think could have been done to stop Ashman? | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
If they did look into things a bit more and spoke to a lot more people | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
and more people were told about him, maybe something could have been done | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
about it. The Police Watchdog, the IPCC is | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
continuing to investigate a detective sergeant at Pontypridd | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
Police Station who was involved in the Ashman case. The same sergeant, | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
who is also under investigation over Watkins. | :22:06. | :22:13. | |
On September, 21st 2012, nearly four years after concerns were first | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
brought to the attention of South Wales Police, Watkins was arrested | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
for possession of drugs after they received new information. | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
Importantly, the police seized his computer which was heavily | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
encrypted. It was found to contain damning evidence. | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
Watkins is bailed and gets back in touch with Joanne. She agrees to | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
meet him, she says, so she can try to gather more evidence. I wanted | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
him to keep confessing these things so I could keep contacting the | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
police and keep pressuring them to arrest him. They would be like, | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
every time, he would be like, "I can't believe I'm seeing you and you | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
keep trying to put me in jail." Repeating the same thing. Watkins | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
arrives at a hotel in London in the early hours of the morning. The | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
first thing he says to me, he blurts out, I have got a two-year-old to | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
rape on Tuesday. Showing off about it. Whose two-year-old? What | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
two-year-old? Oh, she is a superfan. What the hell is a superfan? You do | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
know I am a big deal and I have got all these superfans and they're | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
giving me their kids. Joanne sees an e-mail to Watkins from a woman she | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
recognises. She realises that the young woman has a child and she | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
fears it is the child Watkins wants to abuse. She contacts the woman on | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
Twitter and challenges her over the claims. She also gets in touch with | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
Watkins on e-mail and challenges him too. | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
I have got it now. I have got you. I have got it on e-mails and on | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
Twitter, private messages, I have got you and so I contacted | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
Bedfordshire child services and then I contacted Bedford Police and I | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
spoke to someone in the Child Protection Unit and basically I'm | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
tellinger everything, going over everything that I had already told | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
the police in Wales and South Yorkshire like a lot of stuff, I'm | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
telling her. I'm saying to her, you have got to do something. The woman | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
with the child Watkins says he plans to rape is woman B and she will be | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
arrested and jailed. About three weeks later, Watkins is | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
arrested for a second time on suspicion of producing an obscene | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
article. He is granted bail again and he teams up with the | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
Lostprophets as they embark on a UK tour. | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
This is the last time Watkins would be seen performing on stage at their | :24:58. | :25:06. | |
final concert in Newport on 14th November 2012. | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
A month later, on December 17th, Watkins is arrested for a third | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
time. Now, there is enough evidence and he is charged together with | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
women A and B with a series of sex offences. For nearly a year, he | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
protests his innocence, but finally last November, he admitted he was | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
responsible for a catalogue of sex offending involving children. | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
Watkins was sentenced to 29 years in jail and must serve an additional | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
six years on licence. Woman A was sentenced to 14 years and woman B, | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
17 years. Today's sentence reflects the | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
gravity of the crimes that have been committed. The three paedophiles | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
responsible for the terrible abuse of two babies have now been brought | :25:56. | :26:03. | |
to justice. Watkins has lodged an appeal against his 29 year sentence. | :26:04. | :26:12. | |
The story doesn't end here. While phase one of the investigation is | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
complete, phase two is still very much ongoing. | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
It aims to establish if there are anymore victims or offenders linked | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
to Watkins or his associates. Police inquiries continue in Germany, the | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
USA and here in the UK. But questions still remain unanswered. | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
Such as what action, if any, was taken by South Wales Police each | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
time Joanne Mjadzelics made a complaint against Watkins? | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
What happened to the reports from other complainants and perhaps most | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
significantly, could Watkins offending been stopped earlier if | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
the police had taken a different course of action? | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
These questions and more still need to be answered and tonight, there | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
are growing calls for a wide scale investigation. Because of the | :27:07. | :27:08. | |
numbers of children involved and the numbers of forces involved, and the | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
numbers of professional people involved in the whole decision | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
making and information sharing network, if you like, that some kind | :27:18. | :27:26. | |
of large inquiry really needs to happen. That will be transparent and | :27:27. | :27:38. | |
be he had educative for the rest of professionals up and down Wales and | :27:39. | :27:40. | |
England who are doing this day-to-day. | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
Joanne was arrested over a sex tape with Watkins, but she says the | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
police took no further action. South Wales Police have identified their | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
own concerns and they say they have strengthened child protection | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
procedures and they have called in the independent police complaints | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
commission investigate. The IPCC isn't expected to publish | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
its findings for months, but the detective sergeant at the heart of | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
this case has been served notice that he is under investigation for | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
gross misconduct. The IPCC is also looking at the way he was managed by | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
his superiors and it is investigating two other police | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
forces in Bedfordshire and South Yorkshire. | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
Bedfordshire Police say they did investigate woman B in October 2012, | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
but they found no evidence of kiled abuse at -- child abuse at the time, | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
but did forward information to South Wales Police. South Yorkshire | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
confirmed information was supplied to them on three separate occasions, | :28:45. | :28:53. | |
but declined to comment further. Joanne's story is now being listened | :28:54. | :29:00. | |
to. She has been interviewed by the IPCC and the police. At the end of | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
the interview they said, "Joanne, they have already arrested Ian." I | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
just broke down and cried and said, "You are four years too late. You | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
are four years too late." He showed people what he wanted them to see. | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
If they had had listened to you right at the beginning, what | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
difference do you think you could have made? | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
Well, there is hundreds of kids out there whose lives wouldn't have been | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
ruined. The police have got a lot to answer | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
for for that. | :29:36. | :29:40. |