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He was the boy from the Valleys who lived the dream, finding fame and

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fortune in a rock band. But off stage, he committed the most

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horrendous crimes involving children. He blurts out, I have got

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a two-year-old on Tuesday. What do you mean you have got a two-year-old

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on Tuesday? I have got a two-year-old to rape on Tuesday.

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There are calls for an inquiry. Because of the number of children

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involved, the numbers of forces involved, some kind of large inquiry

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really needs to happen. For the first time, we can reveal

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the details behind a second case linked to the same police officer

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who is under investigation. He could have been stopped a lot sooner. A

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hell of a lot sooner. Tonight, we examine new evidence and investigate

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if there were missed opportunities to stop a paedophile.

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Arriving at court, this is the woman who would help put Ian Watkins

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behind bars. It doesn't matter how many years he gets. It doesn't

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matter about his life being taken away. It doesn't give any children

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whose lives has been ruined, destroyed, it doesn't give them

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their lives back. Watkins is driven away to begin a 29

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year jail sentence. He admitted carrying out offences with the help

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of superfans. Watkins' offending went unchecked for years. Social

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services were made aware of concerns about him. But he remained a free

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man, free to carry out the most horrific crimes.

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Ian David Karslake Watkins was brought up in Pontypridd and went to

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Hawthorn High School. Tell us about how it happened for you as a band?

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Does it go back to school? We grew up together. We lived within a few

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acres of each other kind of thing. Watkins studied graphic design and

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graduated with a first from South Wales University. He got a job as a

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graphic designer, but he was distracted by his first love, music.

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We never really turned down a gig. If some kid saw us at a gig and

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said, "It is my birthday, will you play?" Bethan interviewed the band

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and continued to chart their progress for years. The heavy rock

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music of the South Wales Valleys became international and largely

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thanks to the Lostprophets because they were one of the first bands

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that signed huge international record deals. They signed to

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managers that the biggest rock bands in the world were looking after.

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Really, it was so surprising because they came from nowhere. They were

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just kids. They were school friends. And they were from a small town that

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really hadn't seen anything like it before. As the lead singer and front

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man of the band, it was Ian Watkins who attracted a lot of the

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attention. He was great fun and he was a funny character. He was yes,

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he was charismatic and energetic and enthusiastic about what he was doing

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and loved getting the attention really. The band were real rock

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stars now and Ian Watkins let the cameras into his home in Pontypridd.

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Just weeks later, Watkins was contacted by a woman who would go on

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to expose him as a paedophile. Joanne Mjadzelics got in touch with

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the Lostprophets star on the internet. She ended up exchanging

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messages online with Watkins and agreed to meet him a hotel before a

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concert in Leeds. He was really charismatic, charming and I just

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totally just, I don't know, just normal. Would it be fair to say he

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swept you off your feet? Yeah, he did. As I got to know him, I saw him

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as the guy who took care of his family. Looked after his mum.

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Watkins and Joanne, who was an escort, began a sexual relationship,

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but later he began to tell her things which made her feel uneasy.

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It starts off with him saying to me about all these 14-year-old fans

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that he had abused and took the virginity off and he had been saying

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that he wanted to get me pregnant. He wanted to get me pregnant so he

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could abuse the baby. Joanne threatened to report him to the

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police, because she suspected he was abusing a young child. She says

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Watkins begged her not to and he got his solicitors to draw up a gagging

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order against her. He presents you with a document which in effect

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claims that you made all this up... That I was a liar. And that you were

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a liar... Yes. And you signed it? Yeah. I was forced to sign it really

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under duress, but I signed it because I sought legal advice as

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well. What advice had you been given? That I could still go to the

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police because he was threatening me. He was saying I couldn't go to

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the police if I signed that. Is it possible that the police have taken

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a sceptical view of you and your story because of the gagging order?

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Because this document exists which you signed and in which you said you

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made this up? I think it is an excuse. It is an excuse because I

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can't make up a child, can I? Having signed the gagging order,

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Joanne received ?2,000 from Watkins for what she says was services she

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provided him as an escort. At the end of December 2008, Joanne

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did go ahead and contact South Wales Police. At the Child Protection Unit

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at Pontypridd Police Station. Joanne says she did more than tell the

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police about the disturbing things that Watkins had told her. She also

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says she sent them a copy of this photograph. It shows a young girl of

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about four years of age, who is holding a photo frame with the

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picture of a scantily clad woman. On top of the frame is a razor blade

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and a thin line of white powder. In her other hand, the girl is holding

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a rolled up ?20 note. It appears to be drugs paraphernalia

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and Joanne says Watkins told her t white powder was cocaine, we can't

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show the picture for legal reasons. Joanne told us she went to Rhondda

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Cynon Taff Social Services as well as the police to tell them about the

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girl in the picture. Did they tell you what action they were taking?

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No. You see, they wouldn't. This is what was so frustrating for me

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because I was reporting, every single time I made a report I was

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left out of the loop. You know, you have reported it now, we can't

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discuss this any further. We can't tell you what we've done. It would

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be like, but you need to tell me. Is she safe what? But she says she kept

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going back to social services with concerns about the girl. It was

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repeated calls about the same little girl over time. Every time I knew my

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complaints were not going anywhere with the police, I would back it up

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by getting social services to do something. I would say, "Can you do

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something about this?" David 9//11 is a lead -- David Nevin is a former

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chairman of the British Association of Social Workers. We showed him the

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picture and asked for his opinion. I can't tell from a photograph whether

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that's really drugs or whatever, but the staging of it is to my mind

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inappropriate for a child. Joanne thought her evidence, the

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picture of the child, together with her concerns about Watkins would

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trigger action by the police. They just kept telling me the same

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excuse. They haven't decided how to interview me yet. That was the

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standard excuse, I am saying you need to get her out of his way. You

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need to get her out of danger. In April 2009, three months after she

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reported Watkins to police in propbty Pontypridd, she was visited

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by an officer who took a video statement. A detective

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superintendent from South Wales Police told her they weren't going

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to investigate further. Did you give you any explanation? Not enough

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evidence. I said, "But it is happening. If anything happens to

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another child, it is on your head, not mine because I know that he will

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continue." What would normally happen would be

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that the police would talk to social services who have got a lead in that

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field and social services would convene a strategy meeting that

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would involve the key people that they were aware of in that child's

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life. That's the whole point of making collective decisions about a

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situation. Rhondda Cynon Taff Social Services

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says it did take action in line with agreed procedures following Joanne's

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report to them in December 2008. It is 2009 and the Lostprophets are

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regularly headlining huge rock festivals in this country and

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abroad. Earlier in his career, Watkins had shunned drink and drugs

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and was what is called straight edged. But now his behaviour was

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beginning to worry those around him. We have spoken to a close friend of

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Watkins who told us of her concerns. She doesn't wish to be identified

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and an actress tells her story. He was an amazing guy and then the

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drugs happened. It started with coke and then ecstasy and then in LA he

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found crystal meth and that's what he became scared of. That became his

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everything. It was more important than anything. We all tried to help

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him. He was an extremist. He was completely straight edged. And then

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he just turned into a complete junky.

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The band was spending a lot of time in Los Angeles recording their

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music. He was constantly off his face. He

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wouldn't shower for days. His apartment was a complete wreck. Fast

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forward to the beginning of 2010 and the band come home. They perform at

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Hawthorn High in Pontypridd. They were supporting a Welsh Government

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campaign to promote the Valleys. A few months later, Joanne gets back

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in touch with Watkins believing she must have been wrong about him and

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she apologises. I thought maybe I did get it wrong. Maybe I did

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because you know, the police didn't do anything about it. He was saying

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all along it was just coke talk and it wasn't real. So maybe I did get

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it wrong. So I contact him and I say to him, "I'm sorry that I reported

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you. I must have got it wrong because the police didn't do

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anything." A couple of weeks later, they meet up at a hotel in Leeds.

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Joanne is horrified by a video on his laptop which she says shows a

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young girl being raped. He is sat there and just staring at me, but

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that evil smirk on his face because he wanted a reaction. I could just

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feel the tears. I'm thinking at the same time, "Oh my god, I wasn't

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wrong about him. I wasn't wrong about him." At the same time in my

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head I'm thinking I've got to report him again, but I can't report him

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again because what am I going to say, he has got this video and he is

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going to hide his laptop like he hid everything Els the last time? Joanne

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says she through him out of the hotel and didn't feel able to go to

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the police again at this stage because she didn't think they would

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believe her. In October 201 South Wales Police

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received information from the Metropolitan Police detailing

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allegations against Watkins. But significantly, the complaint was not

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made by Joanne, we don't know who the complainant was or what action

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was taken. Nine months later, Watkins is back

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recording in Los Angeles. He started telling me about this five-year-old

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girl that he has been raping on a regular basis in Los Angeles and I

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asked him whose child it was and he said she is just some obsessed junky

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mum and that's the first time he mentioned like using a fan's child.

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Watkins sent three indecent images to her BlackBerry phone. A shocked

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Joanne got back in touch with South Wales Police with fresh concerns.

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She was referred back to the same Child Protection Unit at popbt prid

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police station and the same -- propbty prid police station and the

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same detective superintendent. He said, "He is in Los Angeles?" I said

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yes. I could tell in his voice that he couldn't be arseked basically --

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dance basically. I'm telling him I've got the pictures and I need

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someone to look. Was it that he just didn't believe you? Maybe. Maybe he

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thought, but why would I make that up?

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Fearing that her various concerns about Watkins aren't being followed

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up, Joanne turns to the father of the little girl in the picture and

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she is shocked to discover that he knows nothing about the photograph

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involving his daughter. He called me late one Saturday night and I said

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to him, were you aware of a complaint I made against Ian? He

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said no. I said well, I did in 2008 and I said that's strange because I

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made child services promise me that they would speak to you and they

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said in all cases, we have to speak to both parents. We have spoken to

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the child's father and he has confirmed that he did report the

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matter to South Wales Police, but says he was told not to pursue it

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anymore because it could ruin Ian's career.

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The father also asked what social services had done? And he was told

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they looked into the allegations and that they were satisfied his

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daughter was safe. It is now March 2012 and eye vents begin to --

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events begin to move quickly. Watkins' offending appears to be

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getting worse, but despite warnings to South Wales Police, he is able to

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carry on abusing children unchecked. Joanne is in contact with a woman on

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Twitter who in turn knows Watkins. Joanne is concerned that Watkins may

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have access to the woman's young child. We exchange a few e-mails and

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then we exchange phone numbers and she calls me and I tell her I'm

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wanting to make an appointment to go and see the police to make a

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statement again and to give them my laptop, I said have you got

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anything? She said well, yeah, he got me he wants to put GCBH in his

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sippy cup and on his dummy and rape him.

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Joanne agrees with the woman to visit her local police station at

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Doncaster a few days later. But she fails to turn up. She is obsessed

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with this man and she is siding with him, I know she is and that baby is

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in danger because he has been in contact with that baby. A month

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before, I'm telling them that he is going to rape a baby, a month

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before, he actually does. Just weeks later, Watkins and the young mother

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meet up in a hotel in London and attempt to rape her baby boy.

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They even video the horrific offence, she will be caught along

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with Watkins and jailed, but not yet.

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That very same night, Watkins had been at a party promoting the band's

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new album. The next day, he was doing media interviews. There was a

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special kind of cashe with celebrity abusers, we have seen it with Jimmy

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Savile whatever. The abuse of children is the abuse of power as

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much of sexual abuse. If you give somebody almost unlimited power and

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they are inclined to abuse children then you are putting together a

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toxic formula and that is probably what happened with Watkins.

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While she says she wasn't aware of his offending, Watkins' friend was

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worried about his behaviour. The record company gave him an

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intervention. The band and the management sat him down and in April

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2012 he was the worst he had ever been. The band was so close to

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breaking up because he was so awful. They tried really hard. He was never

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doing anything. But he couldn't be watched 24 hours a day.

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At this time, Essex Police contacted detectives in South Wales and passed

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on further information and further allegations about Watkins.

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These new concerns followed the reports by Joanne, the father of the

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girl in the photograph, and the Metropolitan Police. The cause for

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suspicion appeared to be growing. At about this time, a separate case

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involving the detective sergeant emerges. That same officer is being

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investigated over an allegations that he may not have acted on a

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report of the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl. We can reveal this

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is the accused man in that case, Simon Ashman. He was not convicted

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of raping the teenager, but in oct October last year, he was jailed for

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separate offences. He denied raping the 15-year-old, but months later,

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he went on to assault a five-year-old girl. The little

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girl's mother wants to nose if the attack -- know if the attack could

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have been prevented. My daughter has nightmares. She feels she has been

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chased. She has woken up in hot sweats. It takes a long time to calm

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her. My daughter tries to sleep in my bed. She doesn't want to let me

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go. I am heart broken because of the change in my beautiful girl. A

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little girl who has been tarnished. We have spoken to a woman who knew

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Ashman well. She says he was known to South Wales Police for years.

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Quite often he would have young girls in his house and the police

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knew this. So I don't know why they couldn't investigate it a lot more.

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I think if they, if he could have been stopped a lot sooner, a hell of

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a lot sooner. What more do you think could have been done to stop Ashman?

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If they did look into things a bit more and spoke to a lot more people

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and more people were told about him, maybe something could have been done

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about it. The Police Watchdog, the IPCC is

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continuing to investigate a detective sergeant at Pontypridd

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Police Station who was involved in the Ashman case. The same sergeant,

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who is also under investigation over Watkins.

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On September, 21st 2012, nearly four years after concerns were first

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brought to the attention of South Wales Police, Watkins was arrested

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for possession of drugs after they received new information.

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Importantly, the police seized his computer which was heavily

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encrypted. It was found to contain damning evidence.

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Watkins is bailed and gets back in touch with Joanne. She agrees to

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meet him, she says, so she can try to gather more evidence. I wanted

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him to keep confessing these things so I could keep contacting the

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police and keep pressuring them to arrest him. They would be like,

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every time, he would be like, "I can't believe I'm seeing you and you

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keep trying to put me in jail." Repeating the same thing. Watkins

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arrives at a hotel in London in the early hours of the morning. The

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first thing he says to me, he blurts out, I have got a two-year-old to

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rape on Tuesday. Showing off about it. Whose two-year-old? What

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two-year-old? Oh, she is a superfan. What the hell is a superfan? You do

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know I am a big deal and I have got all these superfans and they're

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giving me their kids. Joanne sees an e-mail to Watkins from a woman she

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recognises. She realises that the young woman has a child and she

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fears it is the child Watkins wants to abuse. She contacts the woman on

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Twitter and challenges her over the claims. She also gets in touch with

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Watkins on e-mail and challenges him too.

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I have got it now. I have got you. I have got it on e-mails and on

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Twitter, private messages, I have got you and so I contacted

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Bedfordshire child services and then I contacted Bedford Police and I

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spoke to someone in the Child Protection Unit and basically I'm

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tellinger everything, going over everything that I had already told

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the police in Wales and South Yorkshire like a lot of stuff, I'm

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telling her. I'm saying to her, you have got to do something. The woman

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with the child Watkins says he plans to rape is woman B and she will be

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arrested and jailed. About three weeks later, Watkins is

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arrested for a second time on suspicion of producing an obscene

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article. He is granted bail again and he teams up with the

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Lostprophets as they embark on a UK tour.

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This is the last time Watkins would be seen performing on stage at their

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final concert in Newport on 14th November 2012.

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A month later, on December 17th, Watkins is arrested for a third

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time. Now, there is enough evidence and he is charged together with

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women A and B with a series of sex offences. For nearly a year, he

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protests his innocence, but finally last November, he admitted he was

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responsible for a catalogue of sex offending involving children.

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Watkins was sentenced to 29 years in jail and must serve an additional

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six years on licence. Woman A was sentenced to 14 years and woman B,

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17 years. Today's sentence reflects the

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gravity of the crimes that have been committed. The three paedophiles

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responsible for the terrible abuse of two babies have now been brought

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to justice. Watkins has lodged an appeal against his 29 year sentence.

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The story doesn't end here. While phase one of the investigation is

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complete, phase two is still very much ongoing.

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It aims to establish if there are anymore victims or offenders linked

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to Watkins or his associates. Police inquiries continue in Germany, the

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USA and here in the UK. But questions still remain unanswered.

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Such as what action, if any, was taken by South Wales Police each

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time Joanne Mjadzelics made a complaint against Watkins?

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What happened to the reports from other complainants and perhaps most

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significantly, could Watkins offending been stopped earlier if

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the police had taken a different course of action?

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These questions and more still need to be answered and tonight, there

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are growing calls for a wide scale investigation. Because of the

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numbers of children involved and the numbers of forces involved, and the

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numbers of professional people involved in the whole decision

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making and information sharing network, if you like, that some kind

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of large inquiry really needs to happen. That will be transparent and

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be he had educative for the rest of professionals up and down Wales and

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England who are doing this day-to-day.

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Joanne was arrested over a sex tape with Watkins, but she says the

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police took no further action. South Wales Police have identified their

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own concerns and they say they have strengthened child protection

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procedures and they have called in the independent police complaints

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commission investigate. The IPCC isn't expected to publish

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its findings for months, but the detective sergeant at the heart of

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this case has been served notice that he is under investigation for

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gross misconduct. The IPCC is also looking at the way he was managed by

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his superiors and it is investigating two other police

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forces in Bedfordshire and South Yorkshire.

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Bedfordshire Police say they did investigate woman B in October 2012,

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but they found no evidence of kiled abuse at -- child abuse at the time,

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but did forward information to South Wales Police. South Yorkshire

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confirmed information was supplied to them on three separate occasions,

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but declined to comment further. Joanne's story is now being listened

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to. She has been interviewed by the IPCC and the police. At the end of

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the interview they said, "Joanne, they have already arrested Ian." I

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just broke down and cried and said, "You are four years too late. You

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are four years too late." He showed people what he wanted them to see.

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If they had had listened to you right at the beginning, what

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difference do you think you could have made?

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Well, there is hundreds of kids out there whose lives wouldn't have been

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ruined. The police have got a lot to answer

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for for that.

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