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What do all these very average-looking men have in common?

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That's right - they're all dictators.

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And that means they love power,

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they hate journalists like me

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and they are, quite frankly, ridiculous.

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I'm on a journey to three former Soviet Union countries

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to find out what makes some of the world's most powerful tyrants tick,

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and to see the good,

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the bad, and the completely mental about living under a dictatorship.

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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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This time, Kazakhstan - a massive country in Central Asia.

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I was starting my journey in icy Astana.

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Just arrived, it's seven o'clock in the morning,

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and it's about ten times colder than I imagined.

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It's minus 16 degrees.

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Everything around me is frozen,

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including my nose, which is quite an achievement,

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cos I have quite a large nose.

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Getting into these countries is hard,

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so we told the authorities we were making a travel programme,

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and none of the interviewees would know

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it was actually a series about dictatorships,

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for their safety and mine.

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APPLAUSE

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Nursultan Nazarbayev has been president of Kazakhstan since 1991.

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The funny thing about him is that almost everyone seems to like him,

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from the Queen to President Obama to Vladimir Putin of Russia.

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Tony Blair even worked for him.

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And as far as dictators go, he does look kind of cute.

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And yet his government doesn't seem to mind killing people too much.

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So how does he manage to be a popular dictator?

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I've come to Kazakhstan's capital city to find out.

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So I've actually been to Kazakhstan quite a few times,

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but I've never been to Astana.

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It was created about 20 years ago by the president himself.

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He decided he wanted a new capital so he just created this place.

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So, to see more of it, I'm going to take a tour bus -

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probably the world's coldest one.

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In 1997 Nazarbayev, or Naz to his mates,

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decided he wanted a glitzy capital -

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one that would fit his status

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as leader of the world's ninth biggest country.

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Before Naz built the city here, there was nothing,

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just empty Kazakh grasslands.

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Some impressive architecture, that's for sure.

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What's this?

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I feel a bit like I'm in the year 3000, being in Astana.

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Why are the buildings so crazy, like this one?

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Kazakhstan has masses of oil and gas.

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It's helped to pay for this place and also explains why Nazarbayev

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is so popular.

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If the people are reasonably well off,

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they're much less likely to hate you.

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So the president and his policies are, in effect, an aphrodisiac?

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You heard it here first.

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If you're hoping to get lucky in the bedroom,

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ditch the oysters and strawberries and go for a little bit of Naz.

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To continue my tour of the city,

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I was heading up Kazakhstan's most iconic building, the Bayterek Tower.

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Wow, this is massive, this place.

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I am excited.

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-Nice to meet you. I'm Ben.

-Nice to meet you, welcome.

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The height is 97 metres.

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It symbolises the year 1997

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when Astana became the new capital of Kazakhstan.

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Yes, we have the hand print of our president.

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People put their hands into his hands, symbolically.

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What do I achieve if I do this?

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It's good luck.

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You look to the President's Palace, you say hello to the president.

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So it's kind of like high-fiving the president.

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Yeah.

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-Has he literally touched this himself?

-Mm-hm.

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He was coming here.

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So it's quite a privilege.

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You make a wish and it will come true.

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All right.

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TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYS

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Wow!

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That's incredible.

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No way!

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What is going on?

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Wow! MUSIC CONTINUES

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Oh, it doesn't stop. It won't stop.

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Wow.

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That was impressive.

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I feel like...

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I made a wish that I could one day also be the president of Kazakhstan.

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I needed to be careful what I said.

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I'd suddenly noticed someone keeping an eye on me.

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OK, so I'm pointing out the window right now to make sure that the guy

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behind me with the blue suit doesn't think I'm talking about him.

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He's a government minder and he's just shown up

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out of the blue, to basically check on what were doing.

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He hasn't stopped us yet,

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but that's cos we're not doing anything too controversial, yet.

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But it is a bit unsettling.

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I had to be careful, as Nazarbayev has made it illegal to criticise him

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under threat of five years in jail.

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One of the biggest criticisms has been

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the extent to which he's enriched himself at Kazakhstan's expense.

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A few years ago,

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when a newspaper claimed he'd stolen the country's oil money,

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journalists found a decapitated dog outside their offices,

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with a warning that this was their last chance.

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All right. So I'm getting on an overnight train to Almaty,

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which is the biggest city in Kazakhstan.

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It used to be the capital before Astana.

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It's about ten hours away.

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I'm going to see how the real people live,

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if I can get there.

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Spasibo.

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This is the world's longest train, this.

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Looks pretty nice, to be honest.

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Oh, they check your passport as you go in.

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-OK, hello.

-Good evening.

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Hello. You have very nice eyes.

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-So I have to go left?

-Yes, yes.

-All right, thank you very much.

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And we're off.

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11 hours and a rough sleep later and I arrived.

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Let's see Almaty.

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No, thank you, my friend.

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I'm walking.

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With a population of almost two million,

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Almaty is far and away Kazakhstan's biggest city.

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I wanted to see if I could find some signs of opposition

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to Nazarbayev's rule.

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I knew it existed, thanks to an incident five years ago

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in Zhanaozen, in the far west of the country.

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State oil workers had spent months striking for better pay.

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Tensions rose on Independence Day,

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and culminated in 16 workers being gunned down

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and killed by the police.

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Dozens more were injured.

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I was in Almaty for the 25th anniversary of independence,

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which was also the fifth anniversary of the Zhanaozen massacre.

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I'm told Independence Day is a pretty big day here,

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but it's also a day that quite a lot of dissent happens.

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It's one of the rare moments that people actually take to the streets

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to protest the government, and good old Naz himself.

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So I was hoping to stick around and see some of it.

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But it turns out the local authorities have found out

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we are in town, and they have very different plans.

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They're literally forcing me out of here.

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They've booked me a minibus to go on a really random trip -

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to a ski resort, to see the mountains,

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which I don't necessarily want to do but I really have no choice

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in the matter whatsoever.

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The bus was waiting for me,

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ready to escort me to the mountains.

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How long is the trip?

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-30, 40 minutes.

-30, 40... OK, that's not too bad.

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Take a little cheeky nap.

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My abduction had begun.

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First stop was an ice rink called Medeu.

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Someone from the Almaty mayor's office had turned up

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to tell me just how great it was.

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So I will just name a few facts about Medeu.

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-You know, like, interesting facts.

-Go for it. Hit me with the facts.

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OK. So Medeu is the world's highest ice-skating rink.

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Each year around 350,000 people come to skate in Medeu.

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And Medeu has the world's fastest ice.

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This was a new form of dictator torture -

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death by a thousand facts.

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So now we are about to experience

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the longest distance between two stands

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-for a cable car.

-Really?

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We headed further up the mountain,

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and further away from the protest and dissent

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I'd been hoping to see in Almaty.

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So, yeah, the day of randomness continues.

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I'm now heading up to the top of the mountain.

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In the cable car behind me is a big group of Almaty's finest,

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most successful youngsters,

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who've also been forced to spend a day here

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to try and sell the idea of Kazakhstan to me.

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How did you end up with us today?

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When people asked me I said, of course, yes,

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I want to share my gratitude to the country.

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How would you sell Kazakhstan to me?

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We are in the middle of Central Asia, with beautiful landscape.

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I'm the only person up here who's not got skis,

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which adds to the pointlessness of it all.

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We are really lucky that we have such a president.

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It's easy to be sceptical about all the Naz-love,

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but at the last election

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the president got a whopping 97.7% of the vote.

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That might seem like a bit of dictator vote-rigging,

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but independent polling's confirmed his overwhelming support,

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thanks, partly, to his repression of the opposition

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and control of the media.

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So, while I've been stuck here all day with these guys,

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exactly what I thought was going to happen has happened,

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and that's that there was a reasonably big military parade

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that's happened in the centre of Almaty,

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because it's the 25th year of independence.

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And there's reports online of dissidents having police cars

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parked outside of their houses

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to make sure they don't cause any trouble.

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We were experiencing more interference

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from the authorities in Kazakhstan than I'd expected.

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But, despite their best efforts to keep an eye on me,

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back in Almaty I managed to sneak off.

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I'm on my way right now to a dissidents' meeting.

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We're being told that it's probably being watched by the secret service.

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Could even be bugged.

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It's the world's smallest room but it seems pretty busy.

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The meeting was being held to raise awareness about two dissidents

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who were recently sent to jail for five years for organising protests.

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But in amongst the dissidents were a couple of people

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who seemed out of place.

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These two guys, down the end of the corridor,

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I'm pretty sure are members of the secret service.

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Once we walked near to them they just walked away,

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walked down the corridor.

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And they were making a lot of phone calls and taking a lot of pictures.

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So there clearly is an opposition movement here.

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One of the main guys who organised that has agreed to meet me now,

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to tell me a bit more about life in Kazakhstan

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when you're not so pro-Nazarbayev.

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-Hey, nice to meet you.

-Hello.

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-Nice to meet you too.

-I'm Ben.

-Zhanbolat.

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Zhanbolat Mamay runs one of the few remaining independent newspapers

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in Kazakhstan.

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He's been sued three times by pro-government organisations

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in an effort to shut down his paper, and he's also spent time in prison.

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Despite the government's efforts to silence him,

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he'd agreed to talk openly with me.

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At your event today I was pretty certain

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that I saw two guys from the secret service.

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Is that something that you're used to now?

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-Is that a kind of daily part your life?

-Yes, of course.

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Every political activist in Kazakhstan is living under threat,

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because you do not know when you will be jailed,

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because you do not know when you will be convicted of some crime

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that you didn't commit.

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Give me a sense of the kind of personal freedom

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you have here to protest.

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If I was to go outside the Presidential Palace

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with a sign saying "Down with Nazarbayev"...

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You will be jailed for maybe three or four years, I think.

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Why do you think they don't just kill you to shut you up?

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They can kill.

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The regime can kill everybody if they think that the person

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is dangerous for their safety.

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For example, two prominent politicians were killed

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and some prominent journalists were killed.

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The regime denies involvement in the killings,

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but they can't deny the fact

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that five years ago the striking oil workers were shot in Zhanaozen.

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I'd heard the city was no longer very keen on Nazarbayev.

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So would you say then that Zhanaozen is a good place to go

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to get a sense of this anti-establishment,

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anti-Nazarbayev feeling?

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Yes. Yes, I think so.

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There is a strong anti-establishment mood there, in this city.

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But you must be ready that you will be,

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that there will be secret service agents that will go after you.

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-Really?

-But it is very important, I think, to visit this city.

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It is very important.

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Seems like a good place to go next, then.

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-Yes.

-Thanks for talking to me.

-Thank you very much.

-I appreciate it.

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Zhanaozen is in the far west of the country,

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near the Caspian Sea, almost 2,000 miles away from Almaty and Astana.

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I was travelling with Asel,

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a lawyer representing some of the families seeking justice

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and compensation for the massacre.

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So am I right in thinking that this is probably the last place

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in the country that the government want me to go?

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You've increased my nervousness levels by about 1,000,000%.

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In Zhanaozen we headed for the central square,

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where the strikers were based five years ago,

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before their protest turned into a massacre.

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Can't even imagine protesting in this, day in, day out.

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It's absolutely freezing cold.

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Asel had found a couple of young men from me talk to,

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who were in Zhanaozen on the day of the massacre.

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One of them was shot when he says he turned up at the square

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to see what was happening.

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What about yourself? What happened to you on that day?

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You were actually arrested and, what, sent to jail,

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even though you weren't even near here?

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You actually served time in jail for this?

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There are allegations that dozens of young men were rounded up

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and tortured in the days after the massacre,

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as the government tried to root out troublemakers.

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Nazarbayev fired some people he held responsible,

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but no police have ever been charged for the killings.

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And, five years after the massacre,

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the town is still under heavy surveillance.

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So a police car has just arrived with a big van full of soldiers.

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These guys supposedly come here to this day to monitor the city,

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to make sure that nothing is happening.

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It shows you just how sensitive it still is, five years on.

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And also a little bit scary,

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cos they definitely don't want us to be here,

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as I've already said, so...

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have to make sure that we don't get caught.

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The police had pulled up just behind our van,

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so we had to walk directly towards them.

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Freaking Kazakhstan, always making us nervous.

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Oh, my God, they've got police dogs.

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This was a bad choice.

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They're definitely going to see us.

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There you go.

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Let's go, Olly. Get in, get in, get in, get in...

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We headed back to our hotel.

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But we'd been spotted.

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So, we finished filming about an hour ago.

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I'm currently in the hotel room,

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just jumped out of the shower and got this message from Maria,

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the producer - probably the most terrifying message

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I've received in a long time, saying

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"Olly and Ben, go to your room and stay there.

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"The police are here looking for foreigners."

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Which can only be us.

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And it just shows you how serious this is.

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I can't... I don't know what they'll do if they'll find us,

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and I can't believe that they're here.

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But we're now all cowering in the hotel room.

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The night is most definitely ruined.

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Hopefully nothing else comes from it.

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But we are trapped.

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After a sleepless night, we left town early,

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before the police came back for us.

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Yeah, let's hope for the best.

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So it seems like we have, hopefully, made it out now.

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But I honestly can't believe that five years on...

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..we'd still get that much attention from the police, just doing a story.

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You do this all the time.

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I mean, you must have had that on a whole different scale.

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When you say that they were getting into your private life,

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what were they actually doing?

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They actually hired somebody just to start a relationship with you...

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..just to get a video to put online?

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I couldn't imagine living in a country where your own government

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would film you having sex and then put it online

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in order to silence you.

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We're now on our way to the airport,

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which we're all extremely happy about.

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This has been my third trip to Kazakhstan.

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The first two times were honestly quite nice.

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It's a very beautiful country.

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It's full of very nice people.

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This time, though, it's been a very different experience.

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It's clear that there's a line here

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that if you stay on the right side of

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you can have a very nice life.

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But if you cross it,

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the lengths that the government are prepared to go

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to shut you up are quite terrifying.

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And the fact that there's only one man in charge here and, basically,

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no opposition whatsoever means that if you do find yourself in trouble,

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you are on your own.

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