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What do all these very average-looking men have in common? | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
That's right - they're all dictators. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
And that means they love power, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
they hate journalists like me | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
and they are, quite frankly, ridiculous. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
I'm on a journey to three former Soviet Union countries | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
to find out what makes some of the world's most powerful tyrants tick, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
and to see the good, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
the bad, and the completely mental about living under a dictatorship. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:42 | |
This time, Kazakhstan - a massive country in Central Asia. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
I was starting my journey in icy Astana. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Just arrived, it's seven o'clock in the morning, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
and it's about ten times colder than I imagined. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
It's minus 16 degrees. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
Everything around me is frozen, | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
including my nose, which is quite an achievement, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
cos I have quite a large nose. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:02 | |
Getting into these countries is hard, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
so we told the authorities we were making a travel programme, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
and none of the interviewees would know | 0:01:08 | 0:01:09 | |
it was actually a series about dictatorships, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
for their safety and mine. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:14 | 0:01:15 | |
Nursultan Nazarbayev has been president of Kazakhstan since 1991. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
The funny thing about him is that almost everyone seems to like him, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
from the Queen to President Obama to Vladimir Putin of Russia. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Tony Blair even worked for him. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
And as far as dictators go, he does look kind of cute. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
And yet his government doesn't seem to mind killing people too much. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
So how does he manage to be a popular dictator? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
I've come to Kazakhstan's capital city to find out. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
So I've actually been to Kazakhstan quite a few times, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
but I've never been to Astana. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
It was created about 20 years ago by the president himself. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
He decided he wanted a new capital so he just created this place. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
So, to see more of it, I'm going to take a tour bus - | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
probably the world's coldest one. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
In 1997 Nazarbayev, or Naz to his mates, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
decided he wanted a glitzy capital - | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
one that would fit his status | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
as leader of the world's ninth biggest country. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Before Naz built the city here, there was nothing, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
just empty Kazakh grasslands. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Some impressive architecture, that's for sure. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
What's this? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
I feel a bit like I'm in the year 3000, being in Astana. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Why are the buildings so crazy, like this one? | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Kazakhstan has masses of oil and gas. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
It's helped to pay for this place and also explains why Nazarbayev | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
is so popular. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
If the people are reasonably well off, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
they're much less likely to hate you. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
So the president and his policies are, in effect, an aphrodisiac? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
You heard it here first. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
If you're hoping to get lucky in the bedroom, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
ditch the oysters and strawberries and go for a little bit of Naz. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
To continue my tour of the city, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
I was heading up Kazakhstan's most iconic building, the Bayterek Tower. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Wow, this is massive, this place. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
I am excited. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
-Nice to meet you. I'm Ben. -Nice to meet you, welcome. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
The height is 97 metres. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
It symbolises the year 1997 | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
when Astana became the new capital of Kazakhstan. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
Yes, we have the hand print of our president. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
People put their hands into his hands, symbolically. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
What do I achieve if I do this? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
It's good luck. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
You look to the President's Palace, you say hello to the president. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
So it's kind of like high-fiving the president. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
-Has he literally touched this himself? -Mm-hm. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
He was coming here. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
So it's quite a privilege. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
You make a wish and it will come true. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
All right. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
TRIUMPHANT MUSIC PLAYS | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Wow! | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
That's incredible. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
No way! | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
What is going on? | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
Wow! MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
Oh, it doesn't stop. It won't stop. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
Wow. | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
That was impressive. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
I feel like... | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
I made a wish that I could one day also be the president of Kazakhstan. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
I needed to be careful what I said. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
I'd suddenly noticed someone keeping an eye on me. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
OK, so I'm pointing out the window right now to make sure that the guy | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
behind me with the blue suit doesn't think I'm talking about him. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
He's a government minder and he's just shown up | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
out of the blue, to basically check on what were doing. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
He hasn't stopped us yet, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
but that's cos we're not doing anything too controversial, yet. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
But it is a bit unsettling. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
I had to be careful, as Nazarbayev has made it illegal to criticise him | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
under threat of five years in jail. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
One of the biggest criticisms has been | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
the extent to which he's enriched himself at Kazakhstan's expense. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
A few years ago, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
when a newspaper claimed he'd stolen the country's oil money, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
journalists found a decapitated dog outside their offices, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
with a warning that this was their last chance. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
All right. So I'm getting on an overnight train to Almaty, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
which is the biggest city in Kazakhstan. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
It used to be the capital before Astana. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
It's about ten hours away. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
I'm going to see how the real people live, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
if I can get there. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Spasibo. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
This is the world's longest train, this. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Looks pretty nice, to be honest. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
Oh, they check your passport as you go in. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
-OK, hello. -Good evening. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
Hello. You have very nice eyes. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
-So I have to go left? -Yes, yes. -All right, thank you very much. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
And we're off. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
11 hours and a rough sleep later and I arrived. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Let's see Almaty. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
No, thank you, my friend. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
I'm walking. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
With a population of almost two million, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Almaty is far and away Kazakhstan's biggest city. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
I wanted to see if I could find some signs of opposition | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
to Nazarbayev's rule. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
I knew it existed, thanks to an incident five years ago | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
in Zhanaozen, in the far west of the country. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
State oil workers had spent months striking for better pay. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Tensions rose on Independence Day, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
and culminated in 16 workers being gunned down | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
and killed by the police. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Dozens more were injured. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
I was in Almaty for the 25th anniversary of independence, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
which was also the fifth anniversary of the Zhanaozen massacre. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
I'm told Independence Day is a pretty big day here, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
but it's also a day that quite a lot of dissent happens. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
It's one of the rare moments that people actually take to the streets | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
to protest the government, and good old Naz himself. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
So I was hoping to stick around and see some of it. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
But it turns out the local authorities have found out | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
we are in town, and they have very different plans. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
They're literally forcing me out of here. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
They've booked me a minibus to go on a really random trip - | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
to a ski resort, to see the mountains, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
which I don't necessarily want to do but I really have no choice | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
in the matter whatsoever. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
The bus was waiting for me, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
ready to escort me to the mountains. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
How long is the trip? | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
-30, 40 minutes. -30, 40... OK, that's not too bad. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Take a little cheeky nap. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
My abduction had begun. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
First stop was an ice rink called Medeu. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
Someone from the Almaty mayor's office had turned up | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
to tell me just how great it was. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
So I will just name a few facts about Medeu. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
-You know, like, interesting facts. -Go for it. Hit me with the facts. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
OK. So Medeu is the world's highest ice-skating rink. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
Each year around 350,000 people come to skate in Medeu. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
And Medeu has the world's fastest ice. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
This was a new form of dictator torture - | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
death by a thousand facts. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
So now we are about to experience | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
the longest distance between two stands | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
-for a cable car. -Really? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
We headed further up the mountain, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
and further away from the protest and dissent | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
I'd been hoping to see in Almaty. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
So, yeah, the day of randomness continues. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
I'm now heading up to the top of the mountain. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
In the cable car behind me is a big group of Almaty's finest, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
most successful youngsters, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
who've also been forced to spend a day here | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
to try and sell the idea of Kazakhstan to me. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
How did you end up with us today? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
When people asked me I said, of course, yes, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
I want to share my gratitude to the country. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
How would you sell Kazakhstan to me? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
We are in the middle of Central Asia, with beautiful landscape. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
I'm the only person up here who's not got skis, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
which adds to the pointlessness of it all. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
We are really lucky that we have such a president. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
It's easy to be sceptical about all the Naz-love, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
but at the last election | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
the president got a whopping 97.7% of the vote. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
That might seem like a bit of dictator vote-rigging, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
but independent polling's confirmed his overwhelming support, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
thanks, partly, to his repression of the opposition | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
and control of the media. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
So, while I've been stuck here all day with these guys, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
exactly what I thought was going to happen has happened, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
and that's that there was a reasonably big military parade | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
that's happened in the centre of Almaty, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
because it's the 25th year of independence. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
And there's reports online of dissidents having police cars | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
parked outside of their houses | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
to make sure they don't cause any trouble. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
We were experiencing more interference | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
from the authorities in Kazakhstan than I'd expected. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
But, despite their best efforts to keep an eye on me, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
back in Almaty I managed to sneak off. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I'm on my way right now to a dissidents' meeting. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
We're being told that it's probably being watched by the secret service. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Could even be bugged. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
It's the world's smallest room but it seems pretty busy. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
The meeting was being held to raise awareness about two dissidents | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
who were recently sent to jail for five years for organising protests. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
But in amongst the dissidents were a couple of people | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
who seemed out of place. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
These two guys, down the end of the corridor, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
I'm pretty sure are members of the secret service. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
Once we walked near to them they just walked away, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
walked down the corridor. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
And they were making a lot of phone calls and taking a lot of pictures. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
So there clearly is an opposition movement here. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
One of the main guys who organised that has agreed to meet me now, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
to tell me a bit more about life in Kazakhstan | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
when you're not so pro-Nazarbayev. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
-Hey, nice to meet you. -Hello. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
-Nice to meet you too. -I'm Ben. -Zhanbolat. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Zhanbolat Mamay runs one of the few remaining independent newspapers | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
in Kazakhstan. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
He's been sued three times by pro-government organisations | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
in an effort to shut down his paper, and he's also spent time in prison. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Despite the government's efforts to silence him, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
he'd agreed to talk openly with me. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
At your event today I was pretty certain | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
that I saw two guys from the secret service. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Is that something that you're used to now? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
-Is that a kind of daily part your life? -Yes, of course. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Every political activist in Kazakhstan is living under threat, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
because you do not know when you will be jailed, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
because you do not know when you will be convicted of some crime | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
that you didn't commit. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
Give me a sense of the kind of personal freedom | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
you have here to protest. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
If I was to go outside the Presidential Palace | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
with a sign saying "Down with Nazarbayev"... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
You will be jailed for maybe three or four years, I think. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
Why do you think they don't just kill you to shut you up? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
They can kill. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
The regime can kill everybody if they think that the person | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
is dangerous for their safety. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
For example, two prominent politicians were killed | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
and some prominent journalists were killed. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
The regime denies involvement in the killings, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
but they can't deny the fact | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
that five years ago the striking oil workers were shot in Zhanaozen. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
I'd heard the city was no longer very keen on Nazarbayev. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
So would you say then that Zhanaozen is a good place to go | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
to get a sense of this anti-establishment, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
anti-Nazarbayev feeling? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
Yes. Yes, I think so. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
There is a strong anti-establishment mood there, in this city. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
But you must be ready that you will be, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
that there will be secret service agents that will go after you. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
-Really? -But it is very important, I think, to visit this city. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
It is very important. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
Seems like a good place to go next, then. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
-Yes. -Thanks for talking to me. -Thank you very much. -I appreciate it. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Zhanaozen is in the far west of the country, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
near the Caspian Sea, almost 2,000 miles away from Almaty and Astana. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
I was travelling with Asel, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:31 | |
a lawyer representing some of the families seeking justice | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
and compensation for the massacre. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
So am I right in thinking that this is probably the last place | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
in the country that the government want me to go? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
You've increased my nervousness levels by about 1,000,000%. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
In Zhanaozen we headed for the central square, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
where the strikers were based five years ago, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
before their protest turned into a massacre. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Can't even imagine protesting in this, day in, day out. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
It's absolutely freezing cold. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Asel had found a couple of young men from me talk to, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
who were in Zhanaozen on the day of the massacre. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
One of them was shot when he says he turned up at the square | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
to see what was happening. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
What about yourself? What happened to you on that day? | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
You were actually arrested and, what, sent to jail, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
even though you weren't even near here? | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
You actually served time in jail for this? | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
There are allegations that dozens of young men were rounded up | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
and tortured in the days after the massacre, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
as the government tried to root out troublemakers. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
Nazarbayev fired some people he held responsible, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
but no police have ever been charged for the killings. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
And, five years after the massacre, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
the town is still under heavy surveillance. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
So a police car has just arrived with a big van full of soldiers. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
These guys supposedly come here to this day to monitor the city, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
to make sure that nothing is happening. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
It shows you just how sensitive it still is, five years on. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
And also a little bit scary, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
cos they definitely don't want us to be here, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
as I've already said, so... | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
have to make sure that we don't get caught. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
The police had pulled up just behind our van, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
so we had to walk directly towards them. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Freaking Kazakhstan, always making us nervous. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
Oh, my God, they've got police dogs. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
This was a bad choice. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
They're definitely going to see us. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
There you go. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
Let's go, Olly. Get in, get in, get in, get in... | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
We headed back to our hotel. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
But we'd been spotted. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
So, we finished filming about an hour ago. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
I'm currently in the hotel room, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
just jumped out of the shower and got this message from Maria, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
the producer - probably the most terrifying message | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
I've received in a long time, saying | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
"Olly and Ben, go to your room and stay there. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
"The police are here looking for foreigners." | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
Which can only be us. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
And it just shows you how serious this is. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
I can't... I don't know what they'll do if they'll find us, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
and I can't believe that they're here. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
But we're now all cowering in the hotel room. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
The night is most definitely ruined. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Hopefully nothing else comes from it. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
But we are trapped. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
After a sleepless night, we left town early, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
before the police came back for us. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
Yeah, let's hope for the best. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
So it seems like we have, hopefully, made it out now. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
But I honestly can't believe that five years on... | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
..we'd still get that much attention from the police, just doing a story. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
You do this all the time. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
I mean, you must have had that on a whole different scale. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
When you say that they were getting into your private life, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
what were they actually doing? | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
They actually hired somebody just to start a relationship with you... | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
..just to get a video to put online? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
I couldn't imagine living in a country where your own government | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
would film you having sex and then put it online | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
in order to silence you. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
We're now on our way to the airport, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
which we're all extremely happy about. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
This has been my third trip to Kazakhstan. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
The first two times were honestly quite nice. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
It's a very beautiful country. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
It's full of very nice people. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
This time, though, it's been a very different experience. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
It's clear that there's a line here | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
that if you stay on the right side of | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
you can have a very nice life. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
But if you cross it, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
the lengths that the government are prepared to go | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
to shut you up are quite terrifying. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
And the fact that there's only one man in charge here and, basically, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
no opposition whatsoever means that if you do find yourself in trouble, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
you are on your own. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 |