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sampling three of Scotland's most famous walks and talking to some | :00:00. | :00:09. | |
colourful characters along the way. I love Scotland. I've been coming | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
here for years ` walking, fishing, getting to know people and places. I | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
always thought that Scotland and I got on just fine. But now I'm not so | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
sure. This year on the 18th of September, the people of Scotland | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
will decide whether to leave the UK and become an independent country. I | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
want to understand what's going on. I can't help thinking that Scotland | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
doesn't like the rest of the UK. But, if so, why? Anyway, because I'm | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
passionate about Scotland, I've come here to find out what this | :00:42. | :00:56. | |
referendum is all about. I'll be visiting places between here in the | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
Scottish Borders and the north of Scotland, talking to locals, and | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
canvassing their opinions about independence. But I'll be doing it | :01:02. | :01:12. | |
my way. And that means walking. In fact, I'll be sampling three of | :01:13. | :01:22. | |
Scotland's most famous trails. This should be quite a walk. | :01:23. | :01:39. | |
The first of my three journeys is along the Southern Upland Way, which | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
starts in the west, north of Portpatrick, and runs 212 miles | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
right across the country to Cockburnspath. It's easy to see why | :01:47. | :02:01. | |
this stunning landscape has inspired countless artists and writers over | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
many centuries. But it conceals a dark history ` hinted at in English | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
words which originated in the Borders like "blackmail" and | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
"bereaved". Indeed, this region provided a haven for generations of | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
cross`border reivers and smugglers. And, up until the Treaty of Union | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
between Scotland and England in 1707, the Borders was a violent | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
frontier between the two countries. Over the centuries, ownership passed | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
between the warring factions numerous times. The Borders' bloody | :02:34. | :02:44. | |
history makes me wonder if the locals dislike the English. And, if | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
so, whether that sentiment will translate into votes for | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
independence come September. Or does the Borderers' proximity to England | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
make them more inclined to vote no? I'm meeting someone who's going to | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
help me understand how the locals tick. Some walk you've done there. | :03:08. | :03:16. | |
It's very windy. You know, Janet, it's really interesting that you | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
decided to start your walk here in Cockburnspath, because this is where | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
the Union really started. In 1503, which isn't a date you hear very | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
much, this was all Crown land and James IV married Margaret Tudor, | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
Henry VIII's sister. She was given Cockburnspath as part of a dowry. | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
This was supposed to usher in an era of eternal peace and friendship | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
between Scotland and England. And in Cockburnspath, if you go into the | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
village, there's a cross which commemorates that. It's got thistles | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
on two sides, roses on the other side, and it's a symbol of the union | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
that didn't happen for another century and continues still today. | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
This place has got a spirit and a character all of its own. They're a | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
completely different breed of people, the Borderers. And it's not | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
surprising. They've managed to ignore the fact that there is a | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
border for so many years, but also use it to their advantage when they | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
wanted to. I mean, these lands were completely lawless. There was no | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
government north or south that could control them. | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
The other thing about the Borders is that the border itself has shifted | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
so many times. And if you speak to the people who | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
live in the northern part of the English borders, they would quite | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
like to join in with quite a lot of what Scotland has. They will look | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
over the valley and say, "How come they get free higher education, free | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
prescriptions, "free bus passes, and we're stuck in this Little England | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
"that doesn't have these advantages? And yet the people north of the | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
border look south and go, "Well, actually, you're our friends, we | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
trade with you, "should we be separate?" | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
From the point of view of the people currently living in the Borders, how | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
would they take to being governed from Edinburgh? | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
I'm sure they would see it as no different from being governed from | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
London. It's one of the big things you hear down here, "Why should we | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
be told what to do by someone who doesn't live here?" There's this | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
independence`mindedness that they have. | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
Have you thought about the vote and which way you're going to vote? | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
I think, like so many people, I will decide the night before the polling | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
happens. I don't think it will come down to the logic and the policies | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
and all these things, because nobody knows what it's going to be like | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
after the vote, whether it's yes or no. You cannot unboil an egg. | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
I'm handing you the ballot paper and saying, Bruce, I want your cross, | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
which box is it going to go in today? | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
If it were today, I'd be voting yes. If you'd asked me last week, I'd | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
have said the balance was no. And it might change again between now and | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
September. Interesting. Bruce's dilemma has got me thinking about | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
what the people I meet will base their decisions on. So, I'll be | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
asking them in an entirely unscientific straw poll. Here in the | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
Borders, for example, the population's link with the land is | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
so strong, I wonder whether people will be casting their votes on the | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
basis of patriotic fervour, economic interest or something else? I'm at | :06:17. | :06:30. | |
Coldstream, where the River Tweed forms the border between Scotland | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
and England. Like Gretna Green, it used to be a favoured destination | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
for young couples eloping from England to get married. In a way, my | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
visit concerns matrimony, too. I'm meeting a very successful farmer to | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
find out if he'll be voting for Scotland to part from the rest of | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
the UK or renew its vows in the referendum. From my point of view, | :06:50. | :06:59. | |
currency worries me. Whether we're going to be able to have a single | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
currency. Membership of the EU, that's a big question for us | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
farming. In Scotland, our biggest market is England. To go and have a | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
different currency and put up a trade barrier across the border | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
wouldn't be very helpful for our industry. So that's a big worry. I | :07:15. | :07:27. | |
think I would have to make an assessment at the time but I'm | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
pretty happy with the situation we have at the moment and I think it | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
would be the wrong thing to split the Union up. | :07:35. | :08:06. | |
Anything that might make trading more difficult... You seem to be | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
worried about the bureaucracy. Could there be more paperwork? We don't | :08:12. | :08:20. | |
know. Even getting access to other countries... I have just filled in a | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
visa waiver to go to America. Is that still going to exist? All of | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
these things are concerns. My concerns is that when we are | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
exporting, we cannot say, OK, we have our prices in pounds. We go out | :08:37. | :08:46. | |
and do it in currencies. So if you go to Japan, you do it in Japanese | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
yen. And the same in all the other countries. I don't know what we're | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
going to base it on now. Are we going to have the pound? Are we | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
going to have a monetary union that suits both countries? Or are we | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
going to have a Scottish currency that can be devalued, and we don't | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
have backup on that? Some people might say, "You work in | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
a business that's strong. If it's that strong, surely it will survive | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
anyway?" Obviously Scotland is not going to disappear if we vote yes. | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
It's going to just be a transitional difficult time, I'm sure. How is | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
that in the short term going to be affected? And what is the short | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
term? It might be a period of years. That is very bad. A period of | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
uncertainty is very bad for commercial businesses. But they've | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
also recognised that in Scotland, and particularly this area, that we | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
have skills that are doing extremely well, which are almost dead. Are you | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
willing to tell me how you're going to vote? I'm worried about the | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
uncertainty. I like the status we have now. And, like Hamish, I will | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
actually go into that booth with an open mind. But at the moment I'm | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
happier with the status that we are in. I haven't made up my mind yet | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
because I want to hear all the arguments. I'm not hearing all the | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
arguments at the moment. I'm getting one side that's blustering, the | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
other side down south who are threatening. And I don't like any of | :10:14. | :10:30. | |
that. At the end of the first section near | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
the borders, where the main industries are textiles and farming, | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
the overwhelming impression I got from people I talk to was no thanks. | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
But that was just my impression. Now, I'm heading north, where I will | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
be sampling a great walk through the central belt. I'm walking along the | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
canal tow path. It runs for 35 miles between the River Falls near | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
Grangemouth in the east and bowling near the Clyde in the West. The | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
canal takes us through some of Scotland's's former industrial | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
heartlands, now home to some of the most deprived communities. It's an | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
area synonymous with rebirths and regeneration and one whose diverse | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
electorate will pay a key part in deciding Scotland's future. `` | :11:21. | :11:33. | |
play. The canal passes through Glasgow, Scotland's largest city. By | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
the Victorian era, Glasgow was the second city of the British Empire. | :11:41. | :11:49. | |
In the past 25 years, the city has transformed from a manufacturing | :11:50. | :11:51. | |
powerhouse to a largely service sector economy. Glasgow's | :11:52. | :12:01. | |
International financial services district, the so`called square | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
kilometre, provides employment for around 15,000 people and it puts the | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
city in the top 15 European financial centres. Call centres have | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
become an integral part of the local economy, employing 20,000 people and | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
earning Glasgow the tag of call centre capital of Europe. And | :12:21. | :12:29. | |
Glasgow has become Britain's biggest shopping destination outside London, | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
generating ?2.4 billion in sales and creating more than 150,000 jobs. In | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
the early 1970s, the Conservative government began withdrawing state | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
subsidy and closing down shipyards on the River Clyde. The policy | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
precipitated a fight back by trade union activists, one that propelled | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
their charismatic spokesman, Jimmy Reid, to international celebrity. | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
They can do what they want but we will not accept redundancies. One | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
year after he died in 2010, some of his supporters set up a left of | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
centre organisation in his honour. Tell me more about this area. It | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
seems to have had such a fantastic cast and it is such an important | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
part of Scotland's history. It is tied up with our identity. We have | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
so much pride in the fact that one in three of the world's vessels were | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
built here. It was filled with people with good jobs. It was a | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
proud community. And gradually, it has just died. Robin, what do you | :13:43. | :13:52. | |
say the decline dates from? What really killed it was Thatcher. It | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
was the monetary policy which meant that it just wasn't worth investing | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
in industry any more and you could make massive returns gambling in the | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
city of London. It took 30 years before people realised this was not | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
working but by that point, Scotland suffered severely. We lost our | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
entire industrial base. Do you think if Scotland vote yes, the people | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
here stand a better chance of having their interest placed higher up the | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
agenda? They would be happy to have their interest rates lower down the | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
agenda that they have in written right now. This is not a good place | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
to be a worker. Do you think the voters in this area holds the key to | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
the referendum? If Britain is kicking Scotland, they will be | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
kicking the workers. Rich people are voting no, the poor people are | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
voting yes. The question is if the poor people will turn out. They are | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
going to be no longer voting for two versions of the same thing in | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
Westminster. They will vote for something different. If poor people, | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
out and vote, Scotland will become independent. I had thought one | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
reason for independence was the Scots were fed up with the English? | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
Is it that simple? It has nothing to do with the English. One of my big | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
proposals is that I suggest we build a new town in the north of Scotland | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
and granted political asylum to anyone from England who wants to | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
live here. It's not that we don't like you. They are not a part of our | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
lives. The Six O'clock News that we see coming up from London might as | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
well be coming from France. It's not about the English. It's absolutely | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
not. Well, that is retold then. When I started my journey, I was | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
concerned that the referendum was Scotland's way of telling England | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
they don't like us. Back in Glasgow, Robin assured me that was not the | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
case. But I'm not convinced the message has got through to the | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
playwright I'm meeting next in his hometown, Falkirk. | :16:06. | :16:20. | |
that will be on the Edinburgh fringe a month before the referendum. I | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
wanted to do political theatre. It is political propaganda. I know | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
where you are coming from from how do you sell the idea of an | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
independent Scotland outside Scotland? `` from your badge. We | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
think you are doing it because you don't like us. I can see how it | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
might look like that, because if you are not part of the debate happening | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
in Scotland, which is a very deep and immersive and diverse one, it | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
looks like this thing that has erupted from nowhere that, you must | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
do it because you don't like us. For us, it is about democracy. It is | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
about controlling our economy and deciding on our government and the | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
future our country takes. We can't do that. My walk through the | :17:09. | :17:24. | |
industrial heartland of Scotland has been very different. Not least, | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
because, according to make not very scientific poll, people were more | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
positive towards the idea of independence. I have the impression | :17:36. | :17:43. | |
the Central Belt will be critical in deciding the outcome of the | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
referendum. And, that the vote of the working class is vital. I will | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
finish my walk in north`east Scotland. First, I have come here to | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
Aberdeen to see what impact the oil industry will have on the outcome. | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
How important is oil to the Scottish economy? It is very important. It is | :18:05. | :18:14. | |
important to the economy of the UK. It has contributed in tax revenues | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
approximately ?300 billion in today's terms. If Scotland decides | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
to go for independence, how important will the oil revenue be? | :18:24. | :18:31. | |
Not only the revenue. We'll provide about 200,000 jobs `` or ill. It | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
contributes about ?22 billion to the gross domestic product ``. Without | :18:40. | :18:46. | |
being a part of the Scottish economy, it would be difficult to | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
see how it with riot. `` how it would thrive. Scotland has 200 local | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
companies based in Scotland who operate in supplying servicing the | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
oil industry. They have developed an expertise that is marketable abroad | :19:04. | :19:11. | |
and half the revenue they earn is from international activity. | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
Scotland's companies are in packing nationally. I hope that would | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
continue if we were independent `` impacting. Which way will you vote | :19:20. | :19:32. | |
in September? It is difficult. It won't come down purely to economics, | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
but probably to sentiment and national pride. What is being said | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
is that we are being denied the status of a country. If that | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
alters, I would be happy to remain in the UK. Years and years of | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
striving to gain independence, it would be a shame to back from that | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
because of fears of what might happen and being accused of not | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
being able to look after the country better than the UK can look after | :20:06. | :20:21. | |
it. This disused railway line runs over 50 miles from the north`east of | :20:22. | :20:32. | |
Aberdeen all the way to phrase it. What has been bothering me since I | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
made this film is what is going to motivate people to vote in the | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
referendum `` Fraserbrough. Is it threats to livelihood, or will they | :20:41. | :20:50. | |
vote with their hearts? From the Borders to the Central Belt to the | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
north`east, wind turbines have been everywhere I have visited in | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
Scotland. The renewable energy sector forms a major part of the | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
national economy. Wind power is the fastest growing technology, | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
employing 11,500 people, and generating investment of over ?1.5 | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
billion in 2012 alone. Back in Aberdeen, Alex the oilman said his | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
vote would be guided by sentiment and national pride, and not naked | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
economics. Yet the voting intentions of most of the people I've met on my | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
journey have been influenced by money, pure and simple. I'm about to | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
chat to a farmer who doubles as an apostle for renewable energy. In his | :21:35. | :21:46. | |
case, wind power. Would independence be a good or bad thing for windfarms | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
like yours is yellow dart? We would prefer that we didn't have | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
independence because of the underlying problems `` windfarms | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
like yours? What are the obstacles that need to be overcome? The main | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
thing is the fact that the tariffs come from Ofgem, why the Department | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
of energy and climate change in England. There is no administration | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
of that at all. If it is a sudden change over, there is going to be | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
chaos for a while. Do you think and independent Scotland could afford to | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
pay you the same subsidies, is that another worry is yellow there is a | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
never concerned `` another worry? A lot of that is coming from | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
offshore. The subsidies are twice as high as it is for these turbines. So | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
there would be concern as to how they'll get the money to pay for all | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
that. I am on the final stretch of the Formartine and Buchan Way, which | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
ends here at Fraserburgh. This small fishing town is deceptive. It's the | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
biggest shellfish port in Europe. Prawns and king scallops are the key | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
products. The whole town's economy revolves | :23:03. | :23:23. | |
around the harbour. Six out of ten of Fraserburgh's workforce, around | :23:24. | :23:25. | |
800 people, work in fishing`related jobs. | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
The stakes are high. I'm meeting a man who owns a fleet of ten fishing | :23:32. | :23:40. | |
boats. Do you get turbot? Yes. Brill? Brill as well. I love brill. | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
Turbot goes for an amazing price. Alan, how important is fishing to | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
this part of Scotland? Hugely important, especially Fraserburgh | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
here. You've got the whitefish vessels, prawn vessels, everything | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
comes into Fraserburgh. And Peterhead, for that matter, relies | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
on the fishing industry. It is a big employer. And it brings a lot of | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
money into the region. If Scotland votes for independence, how will it | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
affect Fraserburgh? We're kind of looking at that at the moment. We've | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
discussed that at a meeting up at the Whitefish Association on Friday. | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
And there's so much uncertainty, that's the thing. You know, many | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
people would say Europe's ruined the fishing industry but, at the same | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
time, we're tied in closely to them. So, it's the uncertainty of what | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
would happen if you're out of Europe for independence, what do we do with | :24:28. | :24:37. | |
the reciprocal agreements we've got? Do you think if Scotland is | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
independent and you have to bargain with the rest of Europe, you and | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
Norway together, is that good or bad? Maybe better. Some people would | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
say it's better because we always come back from Europe at the end of | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
the year thinking, we've had a bad deal. So, if we were with Norway, we | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
might think it would be better. The biggest fear is the hiatus of the | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
time that we come out. How long would it take to get back in there? | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
And if it was from a standing start, it might take some time. But if we | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
were allied with Norway in negotiating with Europe, some people | :25:07. | :25:15. | |
may say that would be better. I was worried that when I came to | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
Scotland, I might find that September's vote was down to whether | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
the Scottish hated the English. It turns out that I was completely | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
wrong. I also thought that the further north I got, the more I | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
would find people voting yes and I was wrong about that also. In the | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
Borders, the move amongst those I spoke to was generally against | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
independence. In the Central Belt, much more in favour. In the | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
north`east, it seemed pretty evenly split. This was my totally | :25:46. | :25:53. | |
unscientific straw poll. It might not reflect how people vote on the | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
18th of September. Whatever the outcome, I'll still be coming back | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
to enjoy your fabulous walks. Good luck. | :26:01. | :26:49. | |
The weekend is upon us and I am sure most of us are hoping for | :26:50. | :26:50. |