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The Church in Wales - | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
a traditional institution, with hymns, prayers and Communion. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Business has been good for millennia but with ageing congregations, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
falling numbers, and abandoned buildings, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
the church is facing a serious religious recession. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
So does the answer lie within these walls, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
at St Michael's College, Cardiff? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
A new generation of priests is being prepared | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
for a life that is as likely to include the prison cell as the pulpit | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
and they're taking their message to the most unlikely places... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
I've still got to write my sermon. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
..the new recruits are stepping out of the scrum to tackle old ideas... | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
As a woman, you've got the Vicar of Dibley stereotype | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
and then you've got the lesbian stereotype. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
There aren't many hot Christians. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
..but will the church authorities embrace the new generation...? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
I really do worry that the church isn't ready for people like me. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
..and what will congregations make of the young upstarts...? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
She was very competent. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
..what will their reactions be when they try to mash up the mass? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
In the 21st century the clergy have to get out there... | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
This is a fully working embalming theatre. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
..but will the new kids at the altar get their dog collars? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Talked about leaving. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Yeah, itchy feet. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
In this programme Huw finds life behind bars a little daunting... | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
Just being thrown straight out there like that | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
is going to be quite nerve-wracking I think. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
..Roz has a bit of a problem with her sermon... | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
And even though there's only a couple of people here | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
I do have stage fright. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
..and father of three, Steven, is struggling with the sacrifices of college life... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
You know, I miss them terribly when I'm not home. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
..this is the rollercoaster ride of the Vicar Academy. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
It's the start of the autumn term at St Michael's College, Cardiff, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
and we've been given unique access behind the scenes | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
over an entire year. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
These students come from all walks of life | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
and have been thrown together in a very unusual place | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
the Church in Wales' own college for training vicars. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Nowhere else in the world | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
would you actually get such a vast variety of people. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
We get 21-year-olds | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
and we have a quarter of the college that is below 26. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
They face a massive challenge... | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
the Church in Wales has to change to survive. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
A third of vicars will retire in the next five years, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
a quarter of church members have gone in the past decade | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
and over 80 churches have recently closed. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Studies have predicted that if things stay the same | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
the Church in Wales could disappear within a generation. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
'This place is totally different from 30 years ago. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
'Industry has changed in Wales, the church has changed.' | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
It's not going to stop and so we actually have to have people | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
who are up for that change, who don't fear it. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
The first year students are being shown around the college chapel | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
by vice principal Steven Roberts, and first things first | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
as they are taken through the basics of the communion service | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
but newcomer Roz Forbes isn't one known for her blind faith. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
So, the first thing that you need to bring is... Not the water. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:25 | |
It depends. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
OK, yes, it, yes. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
So, I'll just show you the right way and... | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
THEY ALL LAUGH | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Nobody looks beautiful after a rugby match! | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Rugby playing, plain speaking Roz isn't the most obvious candidate | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
for life in the cloth and she's a girl with a lively past. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
I worked as a door supervisor, or bouncer, I've also... | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
..worked as a security guard on a building site. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I've worked as a model, a nude model, for a particular artist. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:04 | |
Like, I did it for a particular class at first | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
and then he asked me if I would just post for him. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
I loved that. That was really good fun. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
None of Roz's family go to church | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
but she came to faith in her late teens. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Everything was fine in my life, average 17-year-old, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
coming up 18, kind of thing. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
I worked two different jobs, everything was great, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
you know, no real problems. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Then I basically fell asleep one night. Woke up the next day | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
and, like, it was like somebody had put on glasses for me. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
Before I thought I was seeing everything fine, and everything. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
Everything was brilliant but these glasses had, like, kind of, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
just awoken me to something else. I was missing something. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
Now I was seeing a clearer picture and I didn't know what it was. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
There's more behind this. There's a story behind it. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
There's a truth behind it. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
But Roz's main worry is that as she comes closer to God | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
she won't get close to any boys. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
It's not a sexy profession, I don't think. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
As a bloke there is always some random woman in the congregation | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
who wants to get hitched to a vicar | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
so they can be, like, I don't know, a vicar's wife, or whatever. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
You can't really start a conversation with, "Hi, I'm a vicar." | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
Roz isn't afraid of shocking others, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
and she surprised everyone in a early bonding session, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
where you have to say as much as you can before the match burns out. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
I am passionate about rugby. It is the best game in the world. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
It's the thing that brings you all together, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
makes you put your body on the line for the other person | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
and the men are really quite hot to play it, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
so that's always a bonus to watch! | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
And it is really good drinking, as well, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
you get wasted with the people who you care about. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Training to be a vicar calls for many sacrifices | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and a number of the students have turned their backs | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
on successful careers to follow their calling. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
We have a woman who was the Bank of England agent in Wales, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
earning a six-figure salary | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
and another student who commanded the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
in the last Iraq war, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
and everything from 21-year-olds to 50-year-olds, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
and a whole range of people in between. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
At the annual celebrity visit there's pictures with the archbishops | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
and memories of a very different era. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
When you and I were students, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
colleges were quite close-knit communities. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
Almost, not monastic in a serious way but very few families allowed. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
That's right. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
And the assumption was you'd be there throughout the week, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
-throughout the term. -That's right. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
-Intensely residential and the pattern has changed... -Changed totally, yeah. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
But in fact, things haven't changed that much for one of the new recruits. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
Steve Bunting has had to give up spending much time with his family, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
as well as a large salary as a banker | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
in order to study on the course. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
These are my Employee of the Month trophies that I got. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
I used to work in a bank called Citibank and... | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
..I was working there while I very initially started the process. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
It's just a reminder to me that this was another life | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
before the one I'm leading now. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Steve's had to sacrifice more than just money to follow his calling. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
I'm a single father to three children. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
I've got Ryan, who's nine, Katie Grace, who's six | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
and Sam, who's four, and they keep me on my toes. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
I hope that when I start ministry that it'll be, you know, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
a ministry of the four of us together. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
You know, they're getting used to, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
now, after several years of their dad's a vicar. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Dad wears dresses on Sundays! | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Living away from his children during the week has been a challenge for Steve, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
but he's brought a bit of his family with him to campus. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
You know, I miss them terribly when I'm not home and... | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
I miss the noise then. I miss... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I miss the fact that... | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
even though its drives me mad, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Sam will is common jump in bed with m, in the morning | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
and the night, he'll just come for a cuddle. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
You do wonder why you put yourself through it | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
but then you remember why, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
you know, and sometimes you've got to be reminded why. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
There are people in Wales who are putting their money | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
in their pocket each week, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
who haven't got much money, to pay for me to be here. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
That's where the money comes from. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
You know, I've got to bear that in mind | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
and realise how privileged I am that I am here doing this. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
And I chose, you know, to train in this way, you know, at this time | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
but that doesn't mean it's not difficult but I'm, you know... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
it will be worth it in the end, I think. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
North Walian Huw Bryant is another vicar to be with a colourful past. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
He's a man with a love of protesting. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
We'll go along to places like Faslane Peace Camp | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
and join in the protest marches. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
I mean, I used to sit there all winter waiting for May Day | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
so we could march on London. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
And just because he wants to be a minister | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
it doesn't mean he's putting away his tools of protest. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
The real reason for having a banner, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
after protesting in London, where the Met cop is keeping an eye on you... | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
..is you have a stick if they attack you. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
But most of the ones I've been on before have been, like, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
the big anti-war ones that we had before the Afghan war | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
and the Iraq war. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
There we go. Has it gone through? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
It's there. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
That should hold a bit on there. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Today Huw's joined a small protest at the National Assembly | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
against the closure of rural public toilets. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
We arrived a bit late so I think most of them have already gone in | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
but they said there's about 100 people or so, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
which is really good, considering the weather. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Huw's home life isn't that conventional either | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
and he isn't married to your typical vicar's wife. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
My wife's not Christian, Buddhist by tradition | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
but not really practising and not searching. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
I met her working in a hotel, in London. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
She certainly didn't have any idea that this was coming, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
any more than I did! | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
I think the biggest job was sitting you down and going, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
"You do realise vicarage life means this." And you going, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
"Bugger off and try it. If we get divorced, we get divorced." | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
At the end of the day that's your job, not my job. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
You know, everything that goes on in our lives, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
I've got my faith to sustain me. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
All she's got is me. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Huw wants to take his unusual mixture | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
of beliefs and backgrounds into the church to liven things up. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
I'm a contradiction. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
While I like to think of myself as an anarchist, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
I do have a tendency to like ritual, routine and rules. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
But I certainly think we need to do a lot more | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
to become free in this country. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
Both from a Christian point of view and a political point of view. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
I will be as outlandish in my theology as possible | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
because it makes everybody think. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
It's only when people are really pushed that you find out what | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
they really believe rather than what they've been told to believe. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
The students at St Michael's spend a lot of time in the classroom | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
on academic and Bible study. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
They're also taught the practical basics of the church's traditions - | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
how to conduct baptisms and weddings, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
and of course the regular Sunday sermon. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Roz is soon to face her first assessed sermon, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
with the vice principal of the college sitting in the congregation. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
One of the first steps to the perfect preach | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
is ensuring that the voice is in good working order. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
And like all other first years, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Roz has come for a session with voice coach Emma Stevens Johnson | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
in preparation for the sermon X Factor. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
Let's hear you read something and then we will go from there. OK. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
Even though there's only a couple of people here I do have stage fright. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:42 | |
-It might be a bit... -It's all right, don't worry. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
And the Word was God. He was in... | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Oh, I can't even read! | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Tutor Emma is a little anxious at Roz's obvious nerves | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
and wants to go back to basics. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
Tell me a little bit about how you got here today. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
As in, I woke up at 7:30am. I made a cup of coffee. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
I had an awful hangover. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
I crawled out of bed, got to lunch, felt miserable and sick | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
and now I'm here talking to you. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:24 | |
The rate at which you speak, they've said that this is fine? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
-I would slow it down for the bigger churches. -Yeah. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
So it has time to come back to you and everything. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
And actually you do need to slow it down a little bit | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
-for even spaces as small as this. -Right. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
Even in the pulpit, how you say it is as important as what you say, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
and Emma is worried about the tension in Roz's voice. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
So the first thing is just a basic hamstring stretch against the wall. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
This is going to warm up your breathing muscles. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
What you're going to do is take a breath in through the nose | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
and out through the mouth. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
So I'm going to... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
I know it's cold, I'm going to put my hands on your diaphragm if that's OK. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
-Yeah. -So your diaphragm is around about here. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
This is keeping your shoulders straight | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
and it's warming up the right bits. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
What I want you to do is take a good breath in. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
And let it out through the mouth. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Because as soon as you can move your shoulders | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
you're moving the wrong bit. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Think about this bit of your body working, not your shoulders. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Breathing sorted, it's on to facial exercises. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
The first one I want you to do is with your top lip. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
You're just going to move it around. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Then you are going to snarl like a rabbit. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
That starts your lip going up there. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
-I can't do that. -Exactly, you see. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
But what has Roz made of her unforgiving afternoon | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
with a hard task master? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
I quite enjoyed it and there's nothing wrong with my voice. Get in! | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
I can blag it, I can come across as all confident and it's fine. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
The true test for Roz will come in in a few days | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
she will have to do it for real in front of a congregation. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
He pours it out in abundance... | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
As well as preaching in parishes, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
the students are sent on a variety of placements. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
These take them out into the community | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
to a huge range of chaplaincies and projects. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
They also include experience of working in prison. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
For Huw Bryant this will have a personal relevance. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
I've fallen foul of the law once or twice in the past. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
Needless to say I don't drink any more now. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
I've learned my lesson, especially being married and with kids | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
and having responsibility. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Going into the prison | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
and knowing that with my own past | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
I could easily have ended up in there myself, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
it's quite nerve wracking to go and see these people | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
and knowing that I could easily have ended up in there myself. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
During his time at Cardiff prison, Huw will be under the guidance | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
of chaplain Mark John, | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
who's there to show him the ropes and keep him safe. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Huw's first taste of life behind bars | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
is a meeting with the other chaplains in the prison, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
which include a Muslim, a Catholic and a Pagan. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
-Huw, this is Andrew, Andrew is a Catholic chaplain. -Huw, how are you? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
You've already met Graham, an officer working with us. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
-And this is Kamal. He is one of the Muslim chaplains here. -Nice to meet you. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
So we're all on duty today and we tend to try and meet here | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
about this time in the morning, just to work out what we are going to do. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
I know Ty, our Pagan chaplain, is also coming in this morning | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
so she could be part of that and help out. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
So that'll be another thing of learning for you, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
you've got a Muslim who's tame, he's nice as well, promise you! | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
Because everything in the prison service | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
is done in a multi-faith way. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Part of a chaplain's work is to keep an eye out | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
for any vulnerable prisoners who could harm themselves, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
and report their worries to the prison authorities. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
It may be they say something to us that would be an insight. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
So if someone is feeling particularly low in mood, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
you might pick up that they said it was their granny's birthday. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
I think we're going in at the deep end here, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
going down to the healthcare unit. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
I know it was going to be... | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
You have to go out and meet the prisoners, but just being | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
thrown straight out there like that is going to be quite nerve wracking. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Generally, people only hear about prison when something bad has happened. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
There's been a death, somebody has escaped. So to come in... | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
You hear the doors clanking, you see people around. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Often it's shocking that they see so many prisoners around. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
You think, "It's a prison, what are they doing all milling round?" | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
So all of those kind of things go through your head. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Also for Huw this morning, it's the very fact | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
he's wearing a clerical collar for the first time, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
it must make him feel a bit strange. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
It's all part of a learning experience actually. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
It's just all the lads coming back from the gym. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
If you just follow on there. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:56 | |
Go on through the next door, you'll be fine. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
Cheers, mate. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
Basically, if you stick with me you're going to be all right. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
If you feel uncomfortable about something just tell me. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
There are a series of alarm bells on the wall. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
You only press the alarm bell | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
if you fear your safety or something's going out | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
that you can't control or you're in a difficult situation. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
There'll be staff on the wing anyway, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
so there's nothing really to worry about. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
The key thing is just be sensible. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
If you have a question, ask, however it feels. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
You're in here to learn and... | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
With going into cells and things, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
do you still, common courtesy, knock before going in? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
I always knock, yeah. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
The chaplains come face to face with serious criminals on a daily basis. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
And some are facing potential life sentences. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
Murder charge. He's still asleep, he's still asleep. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Huw's first experience of the day is on the healthcare wing, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
and his nerves are obvious | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
on the way to meeting the morning's first new arrival. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
It's Mark from the chaplaincy. This is Huw, who is with me. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
He is a trainee vicar. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
-How are you feeling, not very good? -No. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
What the offence? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
Er, sexual. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
OK. What religion are you? | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
Would you say you're an atheist? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Don't believe in anything? So you are saying you're an agnostic, not really bothered. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
That's fine. I leave you to it. Right, let's go. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
Obviously the gentleman didn't want to engage very much | 0:18:42 | 0:18:48 | |
so I couldn't really draw you in to the interview. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
We just needed to get the information we needed. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
When you say he's on remand, is that...? He's been charged or..? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
He's been charged but basically, the nature of the offence means | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
he has to be held in custody until that time. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
-So it's until the trial. -Yeah. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
Let's see if we can get to the next one now. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
For a chaplain like Mark, who's been in the role for many years, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
there's not much he hasn't seen or confronted. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
But for a student like Huw, it's going to be a long and challenging day. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Sometimes he comes over as not having the confidence in certain situations | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
and hopefully this will boost up his confidence. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
"I work in Cardiff Prison, I've dealt with some quite serious things. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
"They were thrown on my toes, I had to sit and talk to new prisoners, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
"I had to visit people in a punishment block in healthcare. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
"And I coped. I got through that, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
"and people thought what I did was not silly or off the wall." | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
I don't have any authority. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
So I don't know how much you're supposed to say, "Oi, behave, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
"get back in your cell", sort of thing, or... | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
It's a very strange thing to get used to, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
how much to be authoritarian and how much not to be. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Former bank manager and father of three, Steven Bunting, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
now in his third year, has delivered many sermons. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
But today is the first time that vice principal Steven Roberts | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
will hear him in the pulpit. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
Having learnt that some of the best sermons come from personal experience, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
will his very personal message convince the congregation, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
and the judge? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
I'll talk about the fact that I used to work in a bank. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
I used to get well paid. In some ways you've gained the whole world, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
but you've lost your soul, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
and taking it across what are the consequences of following Jesus. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
The last words were put together last night. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
I did most of it Tuesday but then I let it fester over a few days. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Well, in fact, I just changed two words in the car, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
before I got out the car. Last minute additions. But, yeah. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
No, it's I'm fairly confident it should be OK. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
But is Steven's confidence really justified? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
I used to have to go to people's houses to ask them | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
for loan payments if they'd missed them, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
and see the desperate situation they were in. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
We used to have huge targets to sell insurance to customers | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
which may not necessarily need it, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
and I felt like I was receiving money for ruining other people's lives. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
And I couldn't do it any more. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
So I had a choice to make, and the choice I made was to follow Jesus, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
and trust that he would work out a plan for me in my life. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
So, what does vice principal Steven Roberts make of the sermon? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:30 | |
I'm very happy with what I've heard. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
I think it can be very, very effective when people talk about | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
their own experiences when preaching | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
because it shows that the text has in fact spoken to them. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
For me, this was one of the easiest sermons I've ever written, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
cos as soon as I saw the passage, I was like, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
this sums up my life in the last ten years. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
I think we've all got to question what every aspect of job, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
whether it's banker, doctor, teacher. Whatever it is. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
Are we doing the best? If we're trying to follow Jesus, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
does that live out in the job that we do? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Back in Cardiff Prison, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
the challenges don't get any tougher than this. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
The chaplains play a special role for prisoners who are on suicide watch, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
offering a sympathetic ear to those at the end of their tether. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
What's your first name? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
Aaron. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
-Aaron. -Yeah. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
Hiya. I'm just checking on you. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
What's been up? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
I've been having bad thoughts, that's all. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Have you? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
My missus and kid got me down when I first come in. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:35 | |
It's my first time in here as well. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
So I just thought about killing myself. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Did you? So how are you feeling now? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
I still have my bad thoughts in the night, getting better in the days, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
but it's the nights more than anything. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Cos you've got time on your hands, it's difficult to work out... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Mmm. It's just frustrating. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
And with him as well, he's getting older. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
How old's he? | 0:22:57 | 0:22:58 | |
Two now. The only thing that stopped me. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
Well, that's a very positive thought. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Like I came that close... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
That's your partner, is it? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:08 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:09 | |
She's far too pretty for you. Look at you! | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
She looks lovely! That's what you've got to live for, isn't it? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
That's very important. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
Keep that in front of you when you have the silly thoughts. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Wednesday, I nearly came close cos they showed up late for the visit. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
It's the first visit since I've been in. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
I only had 15 minutes with 'em so I went a bit off my head then. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
But fair enough, they've got someone here that listens, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
so he listened to me, so I got through it. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Excellent. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
Keep thinking positive, right? You take care of yourself. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
-And you. Thank you. -No problem. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
The chaplains are expected to keep a close eye on vulnerable prisoners, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
and have procedures to flag up risks of self-harm. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Obviously you can see there, we had a conversation | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
and he's thinking about things in the future, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
he's thinking about his child, his partner, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
so he reacted when he come in but he's now thinking more sensibly. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
So that's the sort of situation. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Looking at it, obviously there are other issues | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
and we have to weigh that up but from my conversation in there, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
I feel in some senses he's more positively thinking, looking forward. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
Yeah? I'll just put a little comment to that effect. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
With the first day drawing to a close, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
how's Huw coping with the overwhelming experiences of the prison? | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
It's certainly an eye-opener. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
It'll take quite a bit of getting used to being in here. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
The vicar is very much still the centre of community. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Sadly that's been lost in the rest of society. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
So er... | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
I might gain ways of bringing that back. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
It's the sermon X-Factor final | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and Roz has to face a bustling city centre church with a congregation | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
that includes the Simon Cowell of the preaching world, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
St Michael's vice principal Steven Roberts. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
Roz's main concern is what she might say in the heat of the pulpit. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
When I get nervous, I tend to revert to only a few subjects. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
They shouldn't really be talked about on a pulpit, so...! | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
I get the shakes and I feel sick, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
and you have to live with it and get over it. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
You've just got to pace around beforehand, not talk to anybody. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
It's a bit like going on for a rugby match actually. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
You get in your mindset your own way. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Stressed and anxious. There we go. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
And there's just time for a final word of advice | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
from an experienced parish priest. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
Just go for it, you'll be fine. Go for it and stick with it. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
Stick with what you've written. You've written it. Deliver it. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
You'll be fine. You'll be fine. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
No turning back now. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Steven Roberts and the rest of the congregation | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
are ready to hang on Roz's every word. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
I recently watched America's Next Top Model, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
which is a trashy TV programme, like a talent show to become a model. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
It had an episode where a marketing director came in | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
and told these beautiful women that a word, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
a single word, should be what their fans and audiences | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
relate to them with. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
So what do you think your word is? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Are you organised? Spontaneous? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Adaptable? Creative? | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
I wonder if any of us believe our word to be | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Christian, religious or faithful? | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
I thought it went very well indeed. She was obviously nervous | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
but the nerves didn't detract from what she was doing. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
I could clearly hear her very clearly, very audibly. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
You should be the best that you can be and like, if you're not | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
then you're falling short of that marker, and of your own potential. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
I'd stopped taking notes and I was listening | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
and I was thinking about how this related to me, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
and so I thought if she can take me out of sermon assessment mode | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
into reflection mode, that's pretty good. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
I felt really rushed. I can't remember how it went. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
I felt like I missed pages. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
I felt stressed and nervous during it, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
and I felt completely disheartened. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
And... Yeah. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
There was a real passion I thought, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
a real underlying sense of speaking to people | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
about something that mattered, that was important. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
But back at the college, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Roz has very mixed feelings about the first term. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
The routine of academic study is not really what she had in mind. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
Her younger sister has come to take her home for the weekend, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
and she's got a lot of thinking to do. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I can't say that I've particularly enjoyed every moment of it. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Erm... | 0:27:40 | 0:27:41 | |
Talked about leaving, talked about staying, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
talked about changing stuff, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
being really lazy when it came to morning prayer | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
because I got annoyed and frustrated. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
I haven't helped anybody since I've been here, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
which is rubbish, cos I like helping. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
It'd be so much easier just to... do something different. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
Yeah, itchy feet is just going to play hell. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
Next time - | 0:28:08 | 0:28:09 | |
Huw makes new friends behind the bars of Cardiff Prison... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
-Was he all right? -Nice meeting you. -Sure now? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
..Roz seeks an escape from college life... | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
Gets out some pent-up aggression. It's good to have a run around. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
..and vicar-to-be Marcus finds hope in Merthyr. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
Yeah, it's quite an inspirational operation. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
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