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The Church in Wales -

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a traditional institution, with hymns, prayers and Communion.

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Business has been good for millennia but with ageing congregations,

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falling numbers, and abandoned buildings,

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the church is facing a serious religious recession.

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So does the answer lie within these walls,

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at St Michael's College, Cardiff?

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A new generation of priests is being prepared

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for a life that is as likely to include the prison cell as the pulpit

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and they're taking their message to the most unlikely places...

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I've still got to write my sermon.

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..the new recruits are stepping out of the scrum to tackle old ideas...

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As a woman, you've got the Vicar of Dibley stereotype

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and then you've got the lesbian stereotype.

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There aren't many hot Christians.

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..but will the church authorities embrace the new generation...?

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I really do worry that the church isn't ready for people like me.

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..and what will congregations make of the young upstarts...?

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She was very competent.

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..what will their reactions be when they try to mash up the mass?

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In the 21st century the clergy have to get out there...

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This is a fully working embalming theatre.

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..but will the new kids at the altar get their dog collars?

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Talked about leaving.

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Yeah, itchy feet.

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In this programme Huw finds life behind bars a little daunting...

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Just being thrown straight out there like that

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is going to be quite nerve-wracking I think.

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..Roz has a bit of a problem with her sermon...

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And even though there's only a couple of people here

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I do have stage fright.

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..and father of three, Steven, is struggling with the sacrifices of college life...

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You know, I miss them terribly when I'm not home.

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..this is the rollercoaster ride of the Vicar Academy.

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It's the start of the autumn term at St Michael's College, Cardiff,

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and we've been given unique access behind the scenes

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over an entire year.

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These students come from all walks of life

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and have been thrown together in a very unusual place

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the Church in Wales' own college for training vicars.

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Nowhere else in the world

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would you actually get such a vast variety of people.

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We get 21-year-olds

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and we have a quarter of the college that is below 26.

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They face a massive challenge...

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the Church in Wales has to change to survive.

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A third of vicars will retire in the next five years,

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a quarter of church members have gone in the past decade

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and over 80 churches have recently closed.

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Studies have predicted that if things stay the same

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the Church in Wales could disappear within a generation.

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'This place is totally different from 30 years ago.

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'Industry has changed in Wales, the church has changed.'

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It's not going to stop and so we actually have to have people

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who are up for that change, who don't fear it.

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The first year students are being shown around the college chapel

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by vice principal Steven Roberts, and first things first

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as they are taken through the basics of the communion service

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but newcomer Roz Forbes isn't one known for her blind faith.

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So, the first thing that you need to bring is... Not the water.

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It depends.

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OK, yes, it, yes.

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So, I'll just show you the right way and...

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THEY ALL LAUGH

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Nobody looks beautiful after a rugby match!

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Rugby playing, plain speaking Roz isn't the most obvious candidate

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for life in the cloth and she's a girl with a lively past.

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I worked as a door supervisor, or bouncer, I've also...

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..worked as a security guard on a building site.

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I've worked as a model, a nude model, for a particular artist.

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Like, I did it for a particular class at first

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and then he asked me if I would just post for him.

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I loved that. That was really good fun.

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None of Roz's family go to church

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but she came to faith in her late teens.

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Everything was fine in my life, average 17-year-old,

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coming up 18, kind of thing.

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I worked two different jobs, everything was great,

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you know, no real problems.

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Then I basically fell asleep one night. Woke up the next day

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and, like, it was like somebody had put on glasses for me.

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Before I thought I was seeing everything fine, and everything.

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Everything was brilliant but these glasses had, like, kind of,

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just awoken me to something else. I was missing something.

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Now I was seeing a clearer picture and I didn't know what it was.

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There's more behind this. There's a story behind it.

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There's a truth behind it.

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But Roz's main worry is that as she comes closer to God

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she won't get close to any boys.

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It's not a sexy profession, I don't think.

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As a bloke there is always some random woman in the congregation

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who wants to get hitched to a vicar

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so they can be, like, I don't know, a vicar's wife, or whatever.

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You can't really start a conversation with, "Hi, I'm a vicar."

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Roz isn't afraid of shocking others,

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and she surprised everyone in a early bonding session,

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where you have to say as much as you can before the match burns out.

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I am passionate about rugby. It is the best game in the world.

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It's the thing that brings you all together,

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makes you put your body on the line for the other person

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and the men are really quite hot to play it,

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so that's always a bonus to watch!

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And it is really good drinking, as well,

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you get wasted with the people who you care about.

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Training to be a vicar calls for many sacrifices

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and a number of the students have turned their backs

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on successful careers to follow their calling.

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We have a woman who was the Bank of England agent in Wales,

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earning a six-figure salary

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and another student who commanded the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

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in the last Iraq war,

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and everything from 21-year-olds to 50-year-olds,

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and a whole range of people in between.

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At the annual celebrity visit there's pictures with the archbishops

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and memories of a very different era.

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When you and I were students,

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colleges were quite close-knit communities.

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Almost, not monastic in a serious way but very few families allowed.

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That's right.

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And the assumption was you'd be there throughout the week,

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-throughout the term.

-That's right.

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-Intensely residential and the pattern has changed...

-Changed totally, yeah.

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But in fact, things haven't changed that much for one of the new recruits.

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Steve Bunting has had to give up spending much time with his family,

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as well as a large salary as a banker

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in order to study on the course.

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These are my Employee of the Month trophies that I got.

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I used to work in a bank called Citibank and...

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..I was working there while I very initially started the process.

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It's just a reminder to me that this was another life

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before the one I'm leading now.

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Steve's had to sacrifice more than just money to follow his calling.

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I'm a single father to three children.

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I've got Ryan, who's nine, Katie Grace, who's six

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and Sam, who's four, and they keep me on my toes.

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I hope that when I start ministry that it'll be, you know,

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a ministry of the four of us together.

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You know, they're getting used to,

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now, after several years of their dad's a vicar.

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Dad wears dresses on Sundays!

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Living away from his children during the week has been a challenge for Steve,

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but he's brought a bit of his family with him to campus.

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You know, I miss them terribly when I'm not home and...

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I miss the noise then. I miss...

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I miss the fact that...

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even though its drives me mad,

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Sam will is common jump in bed with m, in the morning

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and the night, he'll just come for a cuddle.

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You do wonder why you put yourself through it

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but then you remember why,

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you know, and sometimes you've got to be reminded why.

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There are people in Wales who are putting their money

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in their pocket each week,

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who haven't got much money, to pay for me to be here.

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That's where the money comes from.

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You know, I've got to bear that in mind

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and realise how privileged I am that I am here doing this.

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And I chose, you know, to train in this way, you know, at this time

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but that doesn't mean it's not difficult but I'm, you know...

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it will be worth it in the end, I think.

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North Walian Huw Bryant is another vicar to be with a colourful past.

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He's a man with a love of protesting.

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We'll go along to places like Faslane Peace Camp

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and join in the protest marches.

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I mean, I used to sit there all winter waiting for May Day

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so we could march on London.

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And just because he wants to be a minister

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it doesn't mean he's putting away his tools of protest.

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The real reason for having a banner,

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after protesting in London, where the Met cop is keeping an eye on you...

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..is you have a stick if they attack you.

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But most of the ones I've been on before have been, like,

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the big anti-war ones that we had before the Afghan war

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and the Iraq war.

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There we go. Has it gone through?

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It's there.

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That should hold a bit on there.

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Today Huw's joined a small protest at the National Assembly

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against the closure of rural public toilets.

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We arrived a bit late so I think most of them have already gone in

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but they said there's about 100 people or so,

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which is really good, considering the weather.

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Huw's home life isn't that conventional either

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and he isn't married to your typical vicar's wife.

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My wife's not Christian, Buddhist by tradition

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but not really practising and not searching.

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I met her working in a hotel, in London.

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She certainly didn't have any idea that this was coming,

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any more than I did!

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I think the biggest job was sitting you down and going,

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"You do realise vicarage life means this." And you going,

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"Bugger off and try it. If we get divorced, we get divorced."

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At the end of the day that's your job, not my job.

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You know, everything that goes on in our lives,

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I've got my faith to sustain me.

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All she's got is me.

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Huw wants to take his unusual mixture

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of beliefs and backgrounds into the church to liven things up.

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I'm a contradiction.

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While I like to think of myself as an anarchist,

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I do have a tendency to like ritual, routine and rules.

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But I certainly think we need to do a lot more

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to become free in this country.

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Both from a Christian point of view and a political point of view.

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I will be as outlandish in my theology as possible

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because it makes everybody think.

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It's only when people are really pushed that you find out what

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they really believe rather than what they've been told to believe.

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The students at St Michael's spend a lot of time in the classroom

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on academic and Bible study.

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They're also taught the practical basics of the church's traditions -

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how to conduct baptisms and weddings,

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and of course the regular Sunday sermon.

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Roz is soon to face her first assessed sermon,

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with the vice principal of the college sitting in the congregation.

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One of the first steps to the perfect preach

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is ensuring that the voice is in good working order.

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And like all other first years,

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Roz has come for a session with voice coach Emma Stevens Johnson

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in preparation for the sermon X Factor.

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Let's hear you read something and then we will go from there. OK.

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Even though there's only a couple of people here I do have stage fright.

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-It might be a bit...

-It's all right, don't worry.

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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God.

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And the Word was God. He was in...

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Oh, I can't even read!

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Tutor Emma is a little anxious at Roz's obvious nerves

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and wants to go back to basics.

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Tell me a little bit about how you got here today.

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As in, I woke up at 7:30am. I made a cup of coffee.

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I had an awful hangover.

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I crawled out of bed, got to lunch, felt miserable and sick

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and now I'm here talking to you.

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The rate at which you speak, they've said that this is fine?

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-I would slow it down for the bigger churches.

-Yeah.

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So it has time to come back to you and everything.

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And actually you do need to slow it down a little bit

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-for even spaces as small as this.

-Right.

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Even in the pulpit, how you say it is as important as what you say,

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and Emma is worried about the tension in Roz's voice.

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So the first thing is just a basic hamstring stretch against the wall.

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This is going to warm up your breathing muscles.

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What you're going to do is take a breath in through the nose

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and out through the mouth.

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So I'm going to...

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I know it's cold, I'm going to put my hands on your diaphragm if that's OK.

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-Yeah.

-So your diaphragm is around about here.

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This is keeping your shoulders straight

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and it's warming up the right bits.

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What I want you to do is take a good breath in.

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And let it out through the mouth.

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Because as soon as you can move your shoulders

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you're moving the wrong bit.

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Think about this bit of your body working, not your shoulders.

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Breathing sorted, it's on to facial exercises.

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The first one I want you to do is with your top lip.

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You're just going to move it around.

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Then you are going to snarl like a rabbit.

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That starts your lip going up there.

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-I can't do that.

-Exactly, you see.

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But what has Roz made of her unforgiving afternoon

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with a hard task master?

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I quite enjoyed it and there's nothing wrong with my voice. Get in!

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I can blag it, I can come across as all confident and it's fine.

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The true test for Roz will come in in a few days

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she will have to do it for real in front of a congregation.

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He pours it out in abundance...

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As well as preaching in parishes,

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the students are sent on a variety of placements.

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These take them out into the community

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to a huge range of chaplaincies and projects.

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They also include experience of working in prison.

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For Huw Bryant this will have a personal relevance.

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I've fallen foul of the law once or twice in the past.

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Needless to say I don't drink any more now.

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I've learned my lesson, especially being married and with kids

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and having responsibility.

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Going into the prison

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and knowing that with my own past

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I could easily have ended up in there myself,

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it's quite nerve wracking to go and see these people

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and knowing that I could easily have ended up in there myself.

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During his time at Cardiff prison, Huw will be under the guidance

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of chaplain Mark John,

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who's there to show him the ropes and keep him safe.

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Huw's first taste of life behind bars

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is a meeting with the other chaplains in the prison,

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which include a Muslim, a Catholic and a Pagan.

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-Huw, this is Andrew, Andrew is a Catholic chaplain.

-Huw, how are you?

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You've already met Graham, an officer working with us.

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-And this is Kamal. He is one of the Muslim chaplains here.

-Nice to meet you.

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So we're all on duty today and we tend to try and meet here

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about this time in the morning, just to work out what we are going to do.

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I know Ty, our Pagan chaplain, is also coming in this morning

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so she could be part of that and help out.

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So that'll be another thing of learning for you,

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you've got a Muslim who's tame, he's nice as well, promise you!

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Because everything in the prison service

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is done in a multi-faith way.

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Part of a chaplain's work is to keep an eye out

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for any vulnerable prisoners who could harm themselves,

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and report their worries to the prison authorities.

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It may be they say something to us that would be an insight.

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So if someone is feeling particularly low in mood,

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you might pick up that they said it was their granny's birthday.

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I think we're going in at the deep end here,

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going down to the healthcare unit.

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I know it was going to be...

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You have to go out and meet the prisoners, but just being

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thrown straight out there like that is going to be quite nerve wracking.

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Generally, people only hear about prison when something bad has happened.

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There's been a death, somebody has escaped. So to come in...

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You hear the doors clanking, you see people around.

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Often it's shocking that they see so many prisoners around.

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You think, "It's a prison, what are they doing all milling round?"

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So all of those kind of things go through your head.

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Also for Huw this morning, it's the very fact

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he's wearing a clerical collar for the first time,

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it must make him feel a bit strange.

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It's all part of a learning experience actually.

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It's just all the lads coming back from the gym.

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If you just follow on there.

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Go on through the next door, you'll be fine.

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Cheers, mate.

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Basically, if you stick with me you're going to be all right.

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If you feel uncomfortable about something just tell me.

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There are a series of alarm bells on the wall.

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You only press the alarm bell

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if you fear your safety or something's going out

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that you can't control or you're in a difficult situation.

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There'll be staff on the wing anyway,

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so there's nothing really to worry about.

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The key thing is just be sensible.

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If you have a question, ask, however it feels.

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You're in here to learn and...

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With going into cells and things,

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do you still, common courtesy, knock before going in?

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I always knock, yeah.

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The chaplains come face to face with serious criminals on a daily basis.

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And some are facing potential life sentences.

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Murder charge. He's still asleep, he's still asleep.

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Huw's first experience of the day is on the healthcare wing,

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and his nerves are obvious

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on the way to meeting the morning's first new arrival.

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It's Mark from the chaplaincy. This is Huw, who is with me.

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He is a trainee vicar.

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-How are you feeling, not very good?

-No.

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What the offence?

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Er, sexual.

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OK. What religion are you?

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Would you say you're an atheist?

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Don't believe in anything? So you are saying you're an agnostic, not really bothered.

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Yeah.

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That's fine. I leave you to it. Right, let's go.

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Obviously the gentleman didn't want to engage very much

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so I couldn't really draw you in to the interview.

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We just needed to get the information we needed.

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When you say he's on remand, is that...? He's been charged or..?

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He's been charged but basically, the nature of the offence means

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he has to be held in custody until that time.

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-So it's until the trial.

-Yeah.

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Let's see if we can get to the next one now.

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For a chaplain like Mark, who's been in the role for many years,

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there's not much he hasn't seen or confronted.

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But for a student like Huw, it's going to be a long and challenging day.

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Sometimes he comes over as not having the confidence in certain situations

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and hopefully this will boost up his confidence.

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"I work in Cardiff Prison, I've dealt with some quite serious things.

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"They were thrown on my toes, I had to sit and talk to new prisoners,

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"I had to visit people in a punishment block in healthcare.

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"And I coped. I got through that,

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"and people thought what I did was not silly or off the wall."

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I don't have any authority.

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So I don't know how much you're supposed to say, "Oi, behave,

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"get back in your cell", sort of thing, or...

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It's a very strange thing to get used to,

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how much to be authoritarian and how much not to be.

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Former bank manager and father of three, Steven Bunting,

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now in his third year, has delivered many sermons.

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But today is the first time that vice principal Steven Roberts

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will hear him in the pulpit.

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Having learnt that some of the best sermons come from personal experience,

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will his very personal message convince the congregation,

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and the judge?

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I'll talk about the fact that I used to work in a bank.

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I used to get well paid. In some ways you've gained the whole world,

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but you've lost your soul,

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and taking it across what are the consequences of following Jesus.

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The last words were put together last night.

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I did most of it Tuesday but then I let it fester over a few days.

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Well, in fact, I just changed two words in the car,

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before I got out the car. Last minute additions. But, yeah.

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No, it's I'm fairly confident it should be OK.

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But is Steven's confidence really justified?

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I used to have to go to people's houses to ask them

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for loan payments if they'd missed them,

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and see the desperate situation they were in.

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We used to have huge targets to sell insurance to customers

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which may not necessarily need it,

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and I felt like I was receiving money for ruining other people's lives.

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And I couldn't do it any more.

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So I had a choice to make, and the choice I made was to follow Jesus,

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and trust that he would work out a plan for me in my life.

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So, what does vice principal Steven Roberts make of the sermon?

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I'm very happy with what I've heard.

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I think it can be very, very effective when people talk about

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their own experiences when preaching

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because it shows that the text has in fact spoken to them.

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For me, this was one of the easiest sermons I've ever written,

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cos as soon as I saw the passage, I was like,

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this sums up my life in the last ten years.

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I think we've all got to question what every aspect of job,

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whether it's banker, doctor, teacher. Whatever it is.

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Are we doing the best? If we're trying to follow Jesus,

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does that live out in the job that we do?

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Back in Cardiff Prison,

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the challenges don't get any tougher than this.

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The chaplains play a special role for prisoners who are on suicide watch,

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offering a sympathetic ear to those at the end of their tether.

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What's your first name?

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Aaron.

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-Aaron.

-Yeah.

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Hiya. I'm just checking on you.

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What's been up?

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I've been having bad thoughts, that's all.

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Have you?

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My missus and kid got me down when I first come in.

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Yeah.

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It's my first time in here as well.

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So I just thought about killing myself.

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Did you? So how are you feeling now?

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I still have my bad thoughts in the night, getting better in the days,

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but it's the nights more than anything.

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Cos you've got time on your hands, it's difficult to work out...

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Mmm. It's just frustrating.

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Yeah.

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And with him as well, he's getting older.

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How old's he?

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Two now. The only thing that stopped me.

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Well, that's a very positive thought.

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Like I came that close...

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That's your partner, is it?

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Yeah.

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She's far too pretty for you. Look at you!

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She looks lovely! That's what you've got to live for, isn't it?

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That's very important.

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Keep that in front of you when you have the silly thoughts.

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Wednesday, I nearly came close cos they showed up late for the visit.

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It's the first visit since I've been in.

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I only had 15 minutes with 'em so I went a bit off my head then.

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But fair enough, they've got someone here that listens,

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so he listened to me, so I got through it.

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Excellent.

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Keep thinking positive, right? You take care of yourself.

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-And you. Thank you.

-No problem.

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The chaplains are expected to keep a close eye on vulnerable prisoners,

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and have procedures to flag up risks of self-harm.

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Obviously you can see there, we had a conversation

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and he's thinking about things in the future,

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he's thinking about his child, his partner,

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so he reacted when he come in but he's now thinking more sensibly.

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So that's the sort of situation.

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Looking at it, obviously there are other issues

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and we have to weigh that up but from my conversation in there,

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I feel in some senses he's more positively thinking, looking forward.

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Yeah? I'll just put a little comment to that effect.

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With the first day drawing to a close,

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how's Huw coping with the overwhelming experiences of the prison?

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It's certainly an eye-opener.

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It'll take quite a bit of getting used to being in here.

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The vicar is very much still the centre of community.

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Sadly that's been lost in the rest of society.

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So er...

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I might gain ways of bringing that back.

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It's the sermon X-Factor final

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and Roz has to face a bustling city centre church with a congregation

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that includes the Simon Cowell of the preaching world,

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St Michael's vice principal Steven Roberts.

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Roz's main concern is what she might say in the heat of the pulpit.

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When I get nervous, I tend to revert to only a few subjects.

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They shouldn't really be talked about on a pulpit, so...!

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I get the shakes and I feel sick,

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and you have to live with it and get over it.

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You've just got to pace around beforehand, not talk to anybody.

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It's a bit like going on for a rugby match actually.

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You get in your mindset your own way.

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Stressed and anxious. There we go.

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And there's just time for a final word of advice

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from an experienced parish priest.

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Just go for it, you'll be fine. Go for it and stick with it.

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Stick with what you've written. You've written it. Deliver it.

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You'll be fine. You'll be fine.

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No turning back now.

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Steven Roberts and the rest of the congregation

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are ready to hang on Roz's every word.

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I recently watched America's Next Top Model,

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which is a trashy TV programme, like a talent show to become a model.

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It had an episode where a marketing director came in

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and told these beautiful women that a word,

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a single word, should be what their fans and audiences

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relate to them with.

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So what do you think your word is?

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Are you organised? Spontaneous?

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Adaptable? Creative?

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I wonder if any of us believe our word to be

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Christian, religious or faithful?

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I thought it went very well indeed. She was obviously nervous

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but the nerves didn't detract from what she was doing.

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I could clearly hear her very clearly, very audibly.

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You should be the best that you can be and like, if you're not

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then you're falling short of that marker, and of your own potential.

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I'd stopped taking notes and I was listening

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and I was thinking about how this related to me,

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and so I thought if she can take me out of sermon assessment mode

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into reflection mode, that's pretty good.

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I felt really rushed. I can't remember how it went.

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I felt like I missed pages.

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I felt stressed and nervous during it,

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and I felt completely disheartened.

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And... Yeah.

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There was a real passion I thought,

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a real underlying sense of speaking to people

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about something that mattered, that was important.

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But back at the college,

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Roz has very mixed feelings about the first term.

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The routine of academic study is not really what she had in mind.

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Her younger sister has come to take her home for the weekend,

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and she's got a lot of thinking to do.

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I can't say that I've particularly enjoyed every moment of it.

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Erm...

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Talked about leaving, talked about staying,

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talked about changing stuff,

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being really lazy when it came to morning prayer

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because I got annoyed and frustrated.

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I haven't helped anybody since I've been here,

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which is rubbish, cos I like helping.

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It'd be so much easier just to... do something different.

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Yeah, itchy feet is just going to play hell.

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Next time -

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Huw makes new friends behind the bars of Cardiff Prison...

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-Was he all right?

-Nice meeting you.

-Sure now?

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..Roz seeks an escape from college life...

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Gets out some pent-up aggression. It's good to have a run around.

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..and vicar-to-be Marcus finds hope in Merthyr.

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Yeah, it's quite an inspirational operation.

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