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The Church in Wales, a traditional institution, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
with hymns, prayers and communion. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Business has been good for millennia, but with ageing congregations, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
falling numbers, and abandoned buildings, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
the church is facing a serious religious recession. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
So does the answer lie within these walls | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
at St Michael's College, Cardiff? | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
A new generation of priests is being prepared | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
for a life as likely to include the prison cell as the pulpit. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
And they're taking their message to the most unlikely places. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
I've still got to write tomorrow's sermon. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
But what will congregations make of the young upstarts? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
She was very confident. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
And what will their reactions be when they try to mash up the mass? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
In the 21st century the clergy have to get out there. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
This is a fully working embalming theatre. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
But will the new kids at the altar get their dog collars? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
I thought about leaving. | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
Yeah...itchy feet. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
In this programme, Huw faces a tough test in Cardiff Prison... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
He's a trainee vicar, with L plates. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
..and takes Sunday service behind bars. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
This is the gospel of the Lord. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Praise to thee, Lord Jesus Christ. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Rugby mad Roz is finding college life tough going. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
I didn't expect it to be easy, but I didn't think it would be this hard. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
And second year Marcus takes a leap of faith in Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
My experience has been always fairly middle of the road, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
churches that have been there for years, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
so anything pioneering is new to me. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
This is the rollercoaster ride of the Vicar Academy. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
We've been given unique access | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
behind the scenes of an entire year at St Michael's College, Cardiff. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
These young students come from all walks of life | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
and have been thrown together in a very unusual place - | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
the Church in Wales's own college for training vicars. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
They're being prepared for daunting challenges - | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
high numbers of clergy about to retire, ageing congregations | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
and crumbling buildings. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
Vice Principal Steven Roberts | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
knows the challenging business model facing these students. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
If you've got a big building, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
a lot of money needing spending on it, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
a small, declining congregation, how do you turn that situation around? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
That's a difficult... a difficult question. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
As well as going out to parishes and chaplaincies across the country, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
the students spend a lot of their time in lectures and Bible studies. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
But this isn't to everyone's tastes. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
With students coming from all types of backgrounds, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
there are some that prefer a more hands-on approach. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Rugby-loving former bouncer Roz likes having a good time | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
and she's not afraid to say it, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
even in her lectures. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
I am passionate about rugby. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
It is the best game in the world. It brings you all together, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
makes you put your body on the line for the other person. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
And the men are really quite hot who play it, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
so that's always a bonus to watch. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
And it's really good drinking as well. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
You get wasted with the people you care about. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
But she's having severe doubts about her place in the college, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
with its emphasis on academic study. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
I don't think it's meant to be this hard. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
I didn't expect it to be easy, but I didn't think it would be this hard. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
The rest of society is kind of like seeing people | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
learn on apprenticeships. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Realistically, the best thing the Bishop could have done was be like, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
"Let's just whack you in a church and you'll get form that way." | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
If you put me straight on a four-year curacy, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
I'd probably be a lot happier right now, cos you're busy, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
you're constantly doing it. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
But I will have had these two years to have got really bitter against it, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:49 | |
and I just don't know if it's the best starting point. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
And also I thought the church would be a lot more...forward looking. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
Some parts of it is. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
Cos they really need to change. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
I'm just not ready to... give it up yet. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
Whilst one student is wrestling with doubts, another is facing | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
a different kind of challenge outside the confines of the college. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Huw Bryant has had his run-ins with the law in the past, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
which makes his placement at Cardiff Prison all the more unusual. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
Going into prison and knowing that, with my own past, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
I could easily have ended up in there myself, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
it's quite nerve-racking to go and see these people. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Huw's mentor, Mark John, starts the morning | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
with a rundown of some of the prison chaplain's key duties. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
You may also be involved in the breaking of bad news, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
where a family member phones into the chaplaincy, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
where we find out and verify what that news was. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
A granny may have died or something like that. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
And then we go and tell the prisoner, check that they're OK, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
allow them certain phone calls to the family | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
to work out and allow the whole process to sink in. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
The chaplains also work in some of the prison's most challenging areas, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
including the Segregation Unit, where prisoners are placed | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
if they've broken rules or need to be separated for safety reasons. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
In that unit we have prisoners who, for whatever reason, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
have stepped over the line of the prison rules | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and they need to be kept in a place that is safe and secure, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
away from other prisoners. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
In fact sometimes you go into that sort of situation | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
and people will be avid readers of the Bible | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
and ask you something obscure about the Old Testament that you might never have heard of, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
because they've had time to do that. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
In all of that we look for signs of vulnerability. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
It's over to the Segregation Unit, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
to face one of the prison's toughest challenges. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Anybody in particular we've got issues with today? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Good job for you over on solitary confinement, er... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
and the other chap's got a lot of concerns | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
and we're just waiting for... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
Broadmoor to come down and interview him, really, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
see whether he's suitable to go there. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
The chaplains offer a listening ear | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
within the prison from someone who's not in authority. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
And there's an encouraging request | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
from the morning's first port of call. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
Anything for the Chaplain this morning? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
-Um... I'd like a...Bible. -You can have a Bible! Is there not one...? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
There's normally one just there. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
-The Bible's out. -All right, we'll get one brought down for you, buddy. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
-Cheers, man. -This is Huw. He's going to be working with you for a while. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
He's a trainee vicar, a vicar with L plates. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
-All right. Nice one. -Cheers now. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
-Remind me, a Bible. -Yep. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
And the vicar with L plates | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
hopes that every request this morning will be as easy, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
but things are never that simple in the prison. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Another second year student is moving out of his comfort zone. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
Marcus has been sent to Merthyr Tydfil | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
for his placement on a council estate. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
It's a million miles from his previous day job in rural Wales. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
I used to work at the Centre for Alternative Technology | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
in Machynlleth. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
I drifted into sort of atheism, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
which I quite fervently held for a few years | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
until I started exploring Christianity again in my mid-20s. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
I've been a builder, I've always worked outside, worked with my hands, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
so that's going to be hard to let go of that a little bit | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
and have a different working routine in life as well. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
I'm not exactly sure where I'm going, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
but I think it's up here somewhere on the left, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Looks like a... I don't know... I don't know... | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
So this is it, I believe. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
I recognise that church from the photo | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
that someone must have shown me. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
Marcus has come to St Luke's Church | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
at the centre of the Gellideg council estate in Merthyr. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
The buildings don't look like a traditional church, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
and that's the point of the pioneering ministry that they're part of. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
-Hiya! You must be Marcus. -Hi. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
-Paul. Nice to meet you. Good journey? -Fine, thanks. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
Please come in. Welcome. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
Marcus will be following vicar Paul Edwards whilst in Merthyr, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
and learning about the unconventional ministry in Gellideg. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
Yes, so, um... This is the... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
We've got actually two flats on this block. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Two ground-floor flats and that's where we do our ministry from. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
-This is your church. -Yes. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
The church in Gellideg works in the community | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
and Paul shows Marcus their Food Bank store room - | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
a programme that prevents people from going hungry when they hit financial problems. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
A lot of this food is... a ministry called Food Bank. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
I've heard of that at college. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
It's all donated by local people. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
You know you get these two-for-one offers? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Maybe baked beans are on two for one. "Would you mind...?" | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
-You can donate it. -Oh, really? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
And the people in Merthyr have been really, really generous. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
-Yeah. OK. -We've had round about... | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
I think it's been going since November last year | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
and we've received already about four tonnes of food. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
-That's amazing. -That is a lot, isn't it? -Really exciting. Yeah. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
More and more of the students are sent out | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
to the real world where the church | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
is trying to reach out to the community. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
How are you doing? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
And the students are being exposed to people | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
from different backgrounds to their own. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
# Hallelujah... # | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
Back in Cardiff, third-year Alex Grace | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
is in the middle of the family's morning routine. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
# Hallelujah, praise the Lord Right where we are, amen. # | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
As a woman and divorcee she's not the type of person who would | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
have been allowed into the college 20 years ago. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
And as well as fighting prejudices | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
she also has to raise two daughters who have plenty of tough questions. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
Elizabeth thinks I should know the answer to every question she asks me | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
because I'm nearly a vicar. I don't know what that means. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
Alex went through tough times during her divorce | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
but this eventually led to a stronger faith. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
I was really struggling and things were going awfully in my life | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
and I just... | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
I had a kind of... a real argument with God | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
and I said, "If you're not going to stop this suffering I'm going through | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
and help me, then I'd like you to leave me alone | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
and go away and I don't want you any more in my life." | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
And I've never felt such aloneness or emptiness and complete silence | 0:10:36 | 0:10:43 | |
as I felt then. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
And it only lasted a day because I was just begging him to come back | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
and to be in my life. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
And for me that was the turning point | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
where faith became, for me, a matter of life or death. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
Despite the strength of her faith, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
the church had some reservations before letting a divorcee | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
train to be a vicar, and there was an extensive interview process. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
I had a...quite a long interview. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
I can't remember how long it was, but it seemed to go on for ever. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:17 | |
Um, and two men came to my house to interview me. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
One ordained and one not. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
And it was incredibly difficult. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
They warned me the night before that it would be painful and difficult | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
and it was. It was very, very difficult. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
They have to make sure there's nothing that could be uncovered later | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
that could bring scandal to the church | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
or bring harm to anyone involved. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
So it has to be, I think, fairly invasive, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
but it was very, very difficult | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
and when they went I was very upset, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
and that sort of lasted for quite a while. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
Alex is keen to develop her experiences of pastoral care | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
on the course, and to get to help others with their problems. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
Today she's joined by first year Rebecca Stevens on a placement | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
at a care home run by the Methodist Church. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
One of the tasks Alex has to complete on the placement | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
is putting together an afternoon of familiar hymns | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
and poems to entertain and engage the residents. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Welcome, everybody, to our little impromptu hymns and poetry afternoon. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
Um, I'm Alex and this is Becca. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
So shall we just pray before we start? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
Father, God, we thank you so much... | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
'People just seem to feel really at home here. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
'People who might have had concerns about being in a nursing home. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
'Very different and much nicer than my expectation was.' | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
So we're going to sing our first hymn, which is hymn number 13. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
PLAYS INTRODUCTION | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
'Chaplaincy in general, I think, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
has a huge role to play somewhere like this.' | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
# Praise my soul the king of heaven... # | 0:13:04 | 0:13:10 | |
'I think it went really well, actually.' | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
It was lovely to have a good mix of hymns and just everyday poetry. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:18 | |
I think people recognised them. Yeah, I think it went well. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
# Praise him, praise him | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
# Praise him, praise him | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
# Praise with us... # | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
In Cardiff prison, Mark and Huw are continuing their rounds | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
of the Segregation Unit. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Prisoners with time on their hands often ask the big questions in life | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
and can come close to despair. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
Mark shows Huw that you need to use every weapon at your disposal | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
to help them, even Bible studies. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
I want to ask you some things about the Bible. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
I've been reading the Bible. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
Read Mark's Gospel, right? Where's your Bible? Here. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
The best bit to read, cos it's named after me, Mark! | 0:13:56 | 0:14:02 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
So...what I say... And it's short. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
It's only 14 chapters long | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
and the chapters aren't very long in the Bible. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
I've only been out of prison about ten, 11 months in my whole life. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
I'm 29 now. I've been in prison for most of it, you know what I mean? | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
-Yeah. -A month here, a month there adds up to about 11 months. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
So what want you to do for me... I've put the marker in there. There. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
It's from there. It's not even that far, look. It's actually quite short. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:33 | |
-There we are, just up to there. It's that much. -Yeah. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
And we could have a discussion about that, but the other thing we do, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
we run special courses in here on Mark's Gospel. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
So we'd love to have a chat with you and if you feel up to it sometime | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
we could get on one of those courses and talk about that. OK? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-Yeah, go on then. -Yeah? -Yeah. -Good man. But that's for you to read. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Just Mark. Remember me. That's Mark. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
But the next visit along the unit throws up a surprise for Mark, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
as there's always some prisoners who try | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
and relieve their tensions in a different way. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
You all right, buddy? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
I can see you're busy at the moment. You take care. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
Thanks for that! | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
-Did you know that? -What? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
-He was having a pull. -No! But he's been doing that all morning. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
It's not something you often see in the parish pews, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
but it's all in a day's work at the prison. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
And no sooner has the work on the Segregation Unit finished | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
than it's off to interview a new arrival. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
With the majority of prisoners having had problems with drugs and alcohol, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
the situation facing Mark and Huw is a common one. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
So how long have you been living rough? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
INDISTINCT ANSWER Long time? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
-Have you got a drug problem? -Yeah. -What is it you use? -Heroin. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
Are you on methadone in here? Hm? | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
-So you just do heroin when you're outside. -Yeah. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
-Have you got any next of kin? -No. -No. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Part of the chaplain's role is helping such prisoners | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
to get access to the help and services they require. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
Sadly there's a whole group of people that... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
-A sort of way of keeping warm over winter. -Yeah. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
Come in and get themselves three meals a day, get tidied up, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
shower every day and all the stuff they wouldn't get on the outside. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Mark has noticed that Huw has been holding back, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
and at the end of the morning he's given a chance to fly solo. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Mark pushes him to chat to the prisoners on another landing | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
who are keen to discuss their plans for when they get out. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
-So is this your first time in here or...? -Several times I've been here. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
First for me. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
-He won't be back. He's not the type. -That's good. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
Fingers crossed for the next time, is it? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Got work in a bar secured out there when I get out, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
but it's just local bar work, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
but...that's what I need out there, just something to keep me busy. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
Coming back here, the staff here have turned me around, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
given me advice, not to give up, just to keep moving forward, like. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
We've got to move on. We've got back over to C wing. OK? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
Was he all right? | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
-Nice meeting you. -I haven't got to give him a clout later on? -No. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
Whilst Huw starts to find his feet, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
there's still the challenge of the Sunday service | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
where he'll have to face hundreds of inmates. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Another student being taken out of his comfort zone | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
is Marcus on his placement in Merthyr. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Mentor Paul is taking him to a scheme | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
run by a number of churches in the town. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
The night shelter is held in a different church every night, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
offering a meal and a bed to the town's homeless during the winter. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
And on arrival one of the workers has a few words of encouragement. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
-Nobody's killed us yet! -LAUGHTER | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
Canon Steve Morgan takes Marcus under his wing to introduce him | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
to those who make use of the night shelter. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
-Now, this is Steve here. -Hello, Steve. I'm Marcus. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
He used to be a dealer in drugs, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
but he's really getting his life together again. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Fantastic success. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
And Steve and I and others | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
are working with those in the drug community | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
to enable them to come off drugs. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
Do people sleep out, go to Cardiff? | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
No, I've done the Huggard Centre in Cardiff. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
-Yeah, you've had a go down there? -Yes. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Yeah, had a few nights there, know what I mean? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
-This night shelter, this kind of centre, is totally different. -Yeah. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:44 | |
-You come in here, you sit down as a family. -It's quite nice, isn't it? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
-It looks nice, anyway. -You have a good meal and you get looked after as well. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
If you have any needs, they'll kind of help you out. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
He'll be housed shortly and then he'll be coming back into the shelter to help out. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
-He's a legend in Merthyr. -LAUGHTER | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
All right, see you, Steve. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
It's not long before Marcus is rolling up his sleeves | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
and helping out in the kitchen. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
This place is impressive. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
It's nice to see the churches working together with practical help. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
Really helping people, it seems. It's quite an inspirational operation. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Having completed kitchen duties, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
Marcus and the helpers share a meal with the users of the night shelter. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
I'd like to maybe get involved again. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
I don't know whether it's something I'll do in the future, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
depends where I go. But it's good to have seen it. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
My experience has been always been fairly middle of the road, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
churches that have been there for years, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
so anything pioneering is quite new for me, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
so it's good to see what goes on and...possibilities. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
Back in Cardiff it's rugby training time for Roz, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and while she's completely confident on the field of play, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
she's having increasing doubts about staying on the course | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
and becoming a vicar. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
Her role on the rugby team is a way of escaping the doubts | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
that have been clouding her mind. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
It's really good fun, it's a really good craic. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
Gets out some pent-up aggression and it's just good to have a run-around. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
Makes you feel good. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
And you can be crap and still get played. And you can be rubbish and still get played sometimes. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:26 | |
A young woman like Roz training to be a vicar arouses as much confusion | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
as encouragement amongst her teammates. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Well, I can remember asking you what you did and you were like, "I'm training to be a vicar." | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
I did first of all say, "Are you joking?" And you went, "No." | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
I thought you had to be a man. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
I just didn't think they did anything like rugby or anything. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
I didn't think they did anything active, if that makes sense. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
I thought they read books and stuff like that. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
I think it's great. Break the stereotypes and stuff. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Maybe more people would go to church | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
if they thought the vicars were more like them. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
It's just interesting that she's combining her faith with rugby. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
I think it's a great combination. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
But why does Roz have a better attendance record | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
at training sessions than at morning prayers? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
It's more fun, feel more useful. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Better being active than stationary. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Um... it's more unpredictable as well. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
As you can see tonight, didn't know what was going to happen. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
Still don't know what's going on, but it's all good. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
In Cardiff Prison, Huw's placement is entering more difficult territory. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
The most challenging duties of a chaplain is having to | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
break bad news to a prisoner, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
a task that can cause all sorts of unpredictable reactions. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Right, Huw, we've just had a telephone message through, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
er, informing us that one of our prisoners on the wing here, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
his grandmother has just died. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
One of the jobs you have to do regularly | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
is inform a prisoner that a relative has died. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
You have to go through the form | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
and ensure that these are kosher details. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Get the contact details of families and everybody authenticated | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
and then go and find the prisoner. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
It's quite a demanding thing to do. I'd like you with me. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
I'll take the lead on this and it won't be a big issue. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Shall we just pop through here on to this wing, go and pick him up, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
-come back here and get on with it? -OK. -All right? -Yeah. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
As privacy is such an issue in the prison, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Mark's first task is to get the prisoner off the wing | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
and out of sight of the other inmates. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
And whether he's a Christian or not, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
the natural place to take him with Huw is the back of the chapel. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
Your brother phoned in this morning. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
I haven't confirmed this, but your nan... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
-Yeah? -..apparently died at... | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
-Ohhh... -Glangwili Hospital in Carmarthen. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
-Does that make sense? -Yeah. She had cancer of the throat. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-So you were aware she was ill? -Yeah. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
She never touched a fag in her life and she had cancer of the throat. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
I can put you on the phone if you want to talk to either of those people. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
-They both left numbers, so I can put you on to either of those. -Yeah. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
On this occasion the prisoner took the news calmly, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
but Mark is keen to know whether Huw has gained some insight | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
from a task he might have to perform himself one day. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
Had you ever been in that position before, telling somebody some news? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
No, but I've had it said to me. I've been on the receiving end before now. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
-Yeah. -And I've had to deal with my own family when things have gone bad, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
but it's different dealing with your own family and a complete stranger. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Entirely different. And it does have an effect. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
You do approach it in quite a cold, clinical way, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
because we do it four, five times in a week on occasion. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
You can't afford to get too sucked into your own emotions. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
You've got to give the news and often repeat it once or twice... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
You've got to get it through and then pick up the pieces afterwards, not pussyfoot... | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
As soon as we have the news, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
we get them on the phone to a family member, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
-because that then makes it more... -Makes it real. -More normal. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
And as with every prison chaplaincy, onwards and upwards. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Let's get moving somewhere else. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Onwards and upwards for this trainee means taking part in a service | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
far removed from the usual parish church atmosphere. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
-You're going to be fine! -Nervous is just my natural state of being. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
Just get a seat there and wait there. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
-OK, I'll go and sit out there. -Yeah. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
Right, into battle. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I'm sure it'll be fine. It'll be interesting to see the dynamics of how it works. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
Mark was just explaining it's a bit more chaotic, bringing in prisoners. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
You don't have the usual procession in to start the service, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:47 | |
so there's no preparation and now it begins. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
It's going to be chaos before the calm, I think. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
I picked up this morning that he seems a bit apprehensive about going into battle with the prisoners. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
Most of the ordinates coming in training feel a bit shocked and uptight. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
He's really just going to be doing some little bits in the service just to give him an idea and involvement. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:11 | |
Huw now has to face one of his biggest | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
and probably most captive audiences since joining the course. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
And has an important role to play in the service. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
So we meet together in the name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Spirit. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
-The Lord be with you. -RESPONSE: And also with you. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
As Christians we come together, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
and at the start we stop and think, we pause. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Whether we've been a Christian ten seconds or a hundred years, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
each time, each day, but especially on a Sunday, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
we just need to stop and think. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
So in a few moments of silence before God, let's stop and think | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
and say sorry for the bad things that we've done. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
I ask you to stand now while Huw reads the Gospel. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
Listen to the Gospel according to St John. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
"As John stood with two of his disciples, Jesus passed, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
"and John stared hard at him and said, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
'Look, there is the Lamb of God.' | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
"Hearing this, the two disciples followed Jesus." | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
The service also features the Cardiff Gospel Choir, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
regular visitors to the prison on Sundays, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
and the moment of contemplation has an obvious effect | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
on the prisoner who has just learnt of his grandmother's death. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
# Jesus came down from his glory and throne | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
# Suffered poor sinners like me. # | 0:26:46 | 0:26:52 | |
As the service draws to a close, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
what are Huw's reactions to the unusual experience? | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
I thought it went quite well. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
It didn't seem that much different to a parish church on a Sunday. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
I must admit there's many a Sunday where I've had a lot fewer | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
than that I church on a Sunday. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
-Did anything strike you as different? -Um... | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
Well, once or twice you did the old headmaster routine - | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
"Quiet now, boys." | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
But people weren't being deliberately disruptive, I don't think. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
It's just once one or two started chattering, they all start and... | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
-You just have to keep going. -Nip it in the bud. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Because you are introducing people to something that's not familiar. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
They're not familiar with worship, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and there's always the opportunity to come and preach here. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
You'd be most welcome. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
-Anything to get out of writing your own sermons. -Absolutely, yeah. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Next time... | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
Steve gets his hands dirty with a bishop... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
People get attracted to see a bishop in his purple robes | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
washing people's feet. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:00 | |
..Lorraine has to take charge of two archbishops... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
I keep looking at my notes and thinking, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
"What am I going to forget?" | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
And Roz gets a final warning. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
I got my first yellow card... in the last ten minutes of the game. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
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