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The Church in Wales, a traditional institution of hymns,

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prayers and communion.

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Business has been good for millennia,

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but with ageing congregations,

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falling numbers, and abandoned buildings,

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the church is facing a serious religious recession.

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So does the answer lie within these walls

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at St Michael's College, Cardiff?

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A new generation of priests is being prepared for a life

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that is as likely to include the prison cell as the pulpit.

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And they're taking their message to the most unlikely places...

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Still got to write my sermon for tomorrow.

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The new recruits are stepping out of the scrum to tackle old ideas.

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As a woman, you've got the Vicar of Dibley stereotype,

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then you've got the lesbian stereotype.

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There aren't many hot Christians.

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But will the church authorities embrace the new generation?

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I really do worry that the church isn't ready for people like me.

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And what will congregations make of the young upstarts?

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She was very confident.

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And what will their reactions be when they try to mash up the mass?

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In the 21st century, the clergy have to get out there.

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This is a fully working embalming theatre.

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But will the new kids at the altar get their dog collars?

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Talked about leaving. Yeah, itchy feet.

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Tonight, Huw's put to the test at Cardiff prison.

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I just don't want to cock it up.

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Second-year Lorraine has important guests to impress.

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I'm starting to get really nervous now that Archbishop Rowan

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and Archbishop Barry are here.

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And Steve's getting his hands dirty.

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It concerns me in some ways that people don't really know

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about the Easter story. They don't really know

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about the symbolism of what we're doing.

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This is the roller-coaster ride of the Vicar Academy.

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We've been given unique access behind the scenes

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for an entire year at the Church in Wales' own college

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for training vicars.

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These students will face a unique set of challenges.

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A third of the clergy are about to retire.

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Congregations have dwindled and buildings have closed.

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A major part of their three year degree is Bible studies,

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which they need to know chapter and verse.

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Assess the presentation of Jesus' relationship

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-with Roman authority in the gospel.

-Something else.

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Third-year student Steven is one of many facing the final test,

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and he has a rather unusual solution to the challenge.

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-I've forgotten it all.

-There you go. It's everything you need.

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-You're not taking that in with you.

-That's just rumours

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-that you can't take notes in with you.

-Is it?

-Yeah. You can take the Bible in as well.

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And if bending the rules fails, there's always divine intervention.

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THEY PRAY

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But the students are also expected to be familiar

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with all the practical aspects of the role of the vicar as well.

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Today a group from the college are visiting Thornhill Crematorium,

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to get an understanding of the practicalities of the funeral service,

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and to make sure they don't make any mistakes when it matters most.

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Roger Swann, the Crematorium Manager,

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shows the students round, and points out those all-important buttons.

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You just press the playback on there and the hymn will start playing

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all the way through and stop by itself.

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The schedule then will jump down ready for the next hymn

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or piece of music to play. And also then when you're ready for the curtains

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it's just pressing down on the button there,

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and the curtains will close around the coffin that's on the trolley there.

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Some people aren't keen on seeing that at the end of the service

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and then having to get up and walk away like that.

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They prefer the coffin to still be visible.

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What has second-year student Huw Bryant got out of today's visit?

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We've got to get used to coming to these places

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and know our way round them and know what happens,

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cos when you visit the families they may have questions as well.

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So it's just part of the development of that.

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Like knowing where the buttons are and which ones to push,

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showing that there was two different controllers there.

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You don't want to close the curtains when you're supposed to be starting the hymn.

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To get an understanding of how the religious and the practical

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come together, the students are also sent on placements to schools,

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hospitals and care homes, where they're mentored

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and assessed by experienced clergy.

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Steve Bunting is under the close eye of none other than

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the Bishop of Swansea and Brecon.

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Single dad of three Steve has to juggle family commitments

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with study at the college.

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He's also turned his back on a successful career as a banker

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to become a vicar.

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These are my employee of the month trophies.

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It's just a reminder to me that

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this was another life before the one I'm leading now.

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With Easter being one of the busiest times of the year for the clergy,

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Steve's getting a taste of the hectic schedule of a bishop.

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Today he's finding out about a modern twist

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on the traditional Easter story.

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This morning we're in Swansea Market in Swansea city centre,

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and it's Maundy Thursday, which is the day where we remember

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that Jesus washed his disciples' feet at the Last Supper,

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which we'll celebrate in church tonight.

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Traditionally we wash people's feet cos that's what Jesus did

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at the Last Supper. But here in Swansea, the bishop and myself

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are here shining people's shoes instead of washing their feet.

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As part of that we're asking for donations for the Lent Appeal

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charities, like Maggie's Cancer Care, things like that.

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So people get attracted to see a bishop in his purple robes

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washing people's feet, well, shining their shoes.

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-There we go.

-Thank you very much.

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It's not long before Steve is rolling up his sleeves

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and following the bishop's example.

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If you just come round here.

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There we are, let's have this one.

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Good as new, look.

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-You'll need to find somebody to take you out tonight now.

-That's lovely.

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-Thank you.

-Now worries. Christianity tends to do a lot of things behind closed doors,

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and it's not the way Jesus did it and it's not the way

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we should be doing it, so we should be taking this opportunity

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to be out in the city centre, being seen, being faithful,

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doing active service to attract people and then people

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might be encouraged to go along to their local church tonight.

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Don't think, hang on, hang on, don't you get away with it,

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come here, you. You can have these done as well. Aw-w!

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Go out dancing. There we are.

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Look at them. As good as new.

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But what does the bishop make of Steve's efforts?

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He's somebody with a very good public face.

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He mixes well with people, he's also got a love for the faith

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deep in his heart, but he demonstrates that through

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getting involved with people where they are and that's essential.

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Yeah, it's been successful. We've had quite a lot of people coming through.

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Lots of opportunities to chat to people.

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We've had people from Swansea, people from Devon,

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people from Minnesota.

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Most people are quite interested in what we're doing.

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I suppose it concerns me in some ways that people don't really

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know about the Easter story.

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They don't really know about the symbolism of what we're doing.

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People have come over and asked why is he doing that.

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For me that gives us an opportunity,

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it's all an opportunity to be able to tell people.

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So, the less people know, the more opportunity we've got to tell them.

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So it's all good.

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In a previous life, Steve was used to handling larger sums of money,

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but the contents of the charity box probably means more to him

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today than any big deals in his former career.

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Back in Cardiff, plain-speaking Roz is not the average trainee vicar,

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and recently she's had her doubts about staying on the course.

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It'd just be so much easier just to do something different.

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Prop forward Roz has thrown herself into the world of the rugby club

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to get away from her college doubts.

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But sometimes her troubles on the course spill over onto the pitch.

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Some training sessions I get really annoyed at myself

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cos I won't be able to train properly cos I'm frustrated about whatever.

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We had a match, it was my first time propping.

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I'd had a really stressful day...

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It's on Sunday, you know, so what happens in church sometimes can reflect.

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I think it was a...

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I didn't enjoy the service or I disagreed with what was said

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or something had happened, and I was just like...

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when I got to the match I just couldn't switch on.

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I was so annoyed. The best way to be is to leave everything

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and just be playing the game.

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While the match starts off well, things don't all go Roz's way,

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and she has to make an early exit.

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I got my first yellow card in the last ten minutes of the game.

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Er...just took out somebody around the neck,

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which you're not meant to do. I didn't mean to.

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Sitting on the sidelines, she has time to think.

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For me at the moment rugby's kind of my staple, it's my reason to be here.

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It gives me a purpose. College doesn't do that for me.

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Like, at the moment, realistically, I've got no purpose in the church,

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and it's just like, well, I'll go somewhere where I've got

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a purpose and that, you know, gets translated into this kind of thing.

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So far, there's nothing that's inspiring about wanting to get

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ordained in what I've done.

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There is, cos you're obviously around all these amazing people

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who are doing. But I don't feel that I've got a meaning right now.

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In Cardiff prison, Huw's also had time to reflect.

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His rebellious past, filled with youthful run-ins with the police

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and protest marches around the country could have

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brought him to a place like this under different circumstances.

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If I'd been born in a different place, would that be me in there?

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I mean, you look around the prison and you just think,

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"There but for the grace of God goes you or I."

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Now he's under the supervision of mentor Mark John, an experienced

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chaplain at the prison.

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From day one, Huw has shown his nerves, but also

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a willingness to put himself out there.

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Mark wants to see if Huw can cope with the demands of the prison,

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and has arranged for him to do an induction - a one to one

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interview with a prisoner on his arrival at the jail.

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What I thought would be a good thing is for you to help us

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with one of those induction interviews. You've seen me do a couple

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and you've seen some other bits and pieces.

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The prisoner you're about to see is someone I know quite well.

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He's been in and out of here a lot of times.

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You'll probably feel a bit nervous going through the questions, probably a bit awkward.

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I just want you to go into his cell there with him now. I'll leave you to it,

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and you see what information you can get out of him, OK?

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-OK.

-Happy?

-As I'm going to be.

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Right.

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-Nice to meet you.

-Huw from the chaplaincy.

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We'll just run through some of these questions on here.

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-Were you working before you came in?

-Erm...no, no.

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Erm...cos I'm one of the detox script Subutex.

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-It's like, I suppose, still using. You're not liable to work.

-Methadone?

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No, it's similar to that, but, like, Subutex is, erm...

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like, methadone you can use on top and I was scared I would.

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-Ah.

-So, Subutex, as soon as that dissolves under your tongue...

-Yeah?

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..you CAN use. Best way to describe is, you know the Ready Brek advert

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with the little kid with the glow around him?

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It's like that with me. I've got an invisible protection barrier around me.

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-It's quite a new thing.

-Yeah. I'll have to look that one up.

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It's all a learning curve for Huw,

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but there are some experiences from his past that he's happy

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to share with the prisoners in order to make a personal connection.

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I was on a scheme with the probation,

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voluntary pilot scheme, where they give you a tag around your leg

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and they can monitor you if they need to 24 hours a day from a computer.

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They can find out where you are three feet in front of you,

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three feet behind you and three feet to the side of you with this tag.

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Yeah, I had a mate who was on one before.

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They always used to drag him out his house to set it off.

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Yeah, that's a different one. That's a curfew one.

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-This is one that just tracks you everywhere?

-24/7.

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So if they come and said, "Right, you done a burglary,

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"at the beginning of the month at so and so,"

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they can go back on the computer, the team in probation,

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and say, no it wasn't him, or yes, it was him.

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If there is any help you do need, then, you know,

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I hope you do feel you can ask

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and anyone in the chaplaincy team will come over and have a chat.

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Yeah, I know that, yeah, yeah. Is Sister Yvonne still there?

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Sister Yvonne? Yeah, I think she is still around.

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-She was the first one there when my daughter died.

-Oh, right.

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Even thought I was out and I tried to save her,

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five days later I went silly, got stupid drunk.

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I've never drunk to this day since,

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but I found myself in here for a week.

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It's all right, that's one of the things I got done for.

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Well, we all have our flaws.

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We all get done for something at some point.

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Again Huw's unfazed by sharing details of past experiences

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to gain trust and to build bridges.

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I'm in here for the week, but, you know, as you said,

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I might see you outside. But Mark will be here all the time anyway.

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-Thank you.

-Thanks very much.

-Thanks very much, mate.

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-Cheers.

-Thank you. Bye.

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He seems to know the system better than I do

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and I think he was teaching me half the time.

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They need help, not locking up.

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So, hopefully between chaplaincy and then when they get out,

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not just churches, but secular charities as well,

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maybe we can do some good and help break the cycle.

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Having spent the morning polishing shoes for charity with the bishop,

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Steve's travelled to Brecon Cathedral for a more traditional

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take on Maundy Thursday.

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Whilst fundraising in Swansea market provided a modern way

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of getting out to the community,

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the evening service shows Steve the traditional side of the church.

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I've taken part in small cathedral services

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but never a service of this size and this kind of...fussiness,

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for want of a better phrase. I'm doing various bits and pieces,

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I'm serving at the, erm...thurifer.

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And I'm washing feet and having feet washed. All in one service.

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This is brand new for me. I'm quite excited about it.

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The service is one of the most poignant during Easter,

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and involves members of the congregation having their feet washed.

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With the incense and choir, it's a million miles

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from Steve's more modern church background.

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There is something very poignant about kneeling down on the floor

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and washing somebody's feet, you know.

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Obviously that's what Jesus did, you're mimicking his actions

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and it is quite humbling to do that.

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I suppose before the service you have a bit of a laugh and a joke about,

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you know, "Have you washed your feet?" Messing about, that kind of thing.

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But when you're actually doing it, it is a fairly sombre thing to do.

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It's really great to be part of the drama of the occasion.

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I think it has been a contrast, cos one minute you're in the market

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shoe-shining and having an opportunity to speak to the public.

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And then in the evening you're in an ancient building

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with members of the public, just celebrating in a solemn way.

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Re-enacting Jesus, the Last Supper

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and it is quite a striking balance, really.

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It's the two aims of what we do as a church.

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We come together in the church building to celebrate

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parts of Jesus' life and then we go out to do things

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and to tell people about Jesus' life.

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So, they're both the dual purpose of the church, really.

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At Cardiff prison, Huw's started to put his nerves to the back of his mind.

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Chaplain and mentor Mark wants to see evidence of him

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working independently during his rounds of the health-care

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centre as part of his next test.

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You coping all right, like?

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Having been encouraged to look for signs of vulnerability or

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distress, Huw spots a prisoner who's at the end of his tether

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and decides to take the initiative.

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-Mark, is it all right for me to go in?

-It is. Yep, no problem.

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Of course it is.

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'Huw's just doing his ordinary rounds.

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'Getting more confident as he's been going on and now, he just called me

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'to open a call door for him because he hasn't got keys, he can't get in.'

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And there's a prisoner who is in quite a lot of distress, so he's spending some time.

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That's the perfect thing in this experience.

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He was saying to me before, "I haven't got much experience.

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"I find these sort of things difficult."

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The only way you get experience is to sit down.

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I noticed the way he was sat in there, his body language was

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very open and laid-back and allowing the guy to talk to him.

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So, hopefully again he's doing my work for me, which is nice.

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But he'll gain experience which will equip him well in the future.

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The poor lad's cracking up in there,

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cos he just doesn't know what's going on.

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And obviously, what he says he did

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and what the charge sheet says might be different.

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Got to take everything with a pinch of salt.

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But...he's still in a mess and he still needs us

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to go in and check on him.

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Sometimes they just need reminding that there are people out there

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who care and they have got something to look forward to, to live for.

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And try and get to focus on the positive of the future that they

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might have, if they can sort themselves out.

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Rather than going over the past in a downwards spiral continuously.

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With some early successes under his belt, Mark wants to see

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if Huw can pass one last test before he gives his final

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verdict at the end of the day.

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As part of the course, the students are expected to

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take on the role of Deacon in services,

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looking after many of the practical elements.

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Sometimes special guests are invited, and today is

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particularly nerve-wracking for the student at centre stage.

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The Archbishop of Canterbury

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and the Archbishop of Wales are visiting the college.

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And all the responsibility is on second-year Lorraine's shoulders.

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When we got the rotas out at the beginning of term, I looked at the rota

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and realised that I was deaconing this service, which is normally fine.

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But actually the Archbishop of Canterbury's coming,

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as well as the Archbishop of Wales, for this service.

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So, it's quite a big service to be organising

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and it represents the college, so...I wanted it to be a good service

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that properly represented the college and all the diversity that we've got.

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There are plenty of last minute preparations to ensure that

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everyone knows their part,

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and the clocks ticking for the arrival of the main guests.

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I was nervous first thing this morning. I'm OK at the moment.

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But I know I'm not very good at small talk,

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so I'm really nervous about

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doing small talk with the archbishops, and also I'm

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singing the psalm and my voice always wobbles when I'm nervous.

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So, I'm hoping that is going to be OK.

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As the two archbishops prepare for their part in the service,

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Lorraine keeps a keen eye on proceedings

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while she tries to control her emotions.

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I'm starting to get really nervous, now...

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now Archbishop Rowan and Archbishop Barry are here.

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I keep looking at my notes and thinking, "What am I going to forget"?

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It's good to be with you here this morning

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and it's especially good that Archbishop Rowan is with us.

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And it's also meant that I don't have to preach this morning,

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as I was due to do, because he is going to preach the sermon.

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-Yn enw'r Tad a'r Mab a'r Ysbryd Glan.

-Amen.

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There's no hiding place for Lorraine, but will her

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singing voice betray her nerves as she steps up to sing the psalm?

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SONG: "PSALM 51"

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# Have mercy on me, O God

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# And cleanse me for my sins

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# Have mercy on me, O God

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# And cleanse me for my sins. #

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With the psalm having gone well, Lorraine

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and the rest of the students can sit back and listen to

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a specially tailored sermon from the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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I used to teach in a theological college,

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and indeed I was in a theological college.

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Some people feel their spiritual life goes to pieces once

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they're ordained.

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But what all that is about, of course, is that the pressure

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of being in Christ is always taking us in the direction of Christ.

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"Where he is, his servants will be."

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Trying to learn how to trust that he is ahead of us,

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even when we don't see the way.

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And trying to trust that he is at work in us,

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even when we can't begin to see how.

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I've never done with believing in God.

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I've never fully learned how to believe in God.

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Every day of my life, I am learning how to believe in God.

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May God help us in our ministries, to enable the world to "get" Jesus,

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to see the mystery exploding to the ends of the earth,

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penetrating every corner of the human experience.

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Amen.

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The end of the service is an opportunity for the students

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to take advantage of the ultimate Anglican photo opportunity,

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and for Lorraine to breathe a huge sigh of relief.

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I'm really glad it's over. It's such a relief.

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I really enjoyed the service. It was really good.

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I would be looking forward to a glass of wine,

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except I've given it up for Lent.

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And as Lorraine celebrates without alcohol, both archbishops think

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back to their own college days at a very different time.

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I was in theological college 40 years ago, believe it or not.

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And what amazes me is it never crossed my mind that there

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were no women training for ministry.

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And since then, of course, I'm convinced that that's the right way.

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And I think it's been a very interesting trend in the last five

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to ten years that the average age does seem to have gone down again.

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And that's important in role-modelling for younger Christians.

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It's important in getting the sense that we have people

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who are taking a long view.

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They're prepared to be giving the rest of what could be quite a long ministry.

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And before they disappear, there's just time for God's team photo with

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both captains at centre stage.

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In Cardiff prison, it's time for a quick fag break.

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Huw is really getting the hang of things,

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but mentor Mark wants him to face his toughest test.

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On a previous day, Mark had to break the news of the death

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of a grandmother to a prisoner, and now it's Huw's turn to follow it up.

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In terms of the guy with the bereavement,

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really just check up how the week's been, how he's feeling.

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Does he know when the funeral is? Get the information off him.

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Very straightforward. You don't need no expertise to do that.

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You can go on 101 courses about how you do bereavement counselling

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or whatever, but it's actually just listening to the guy

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and responding to what he's saying and how he's feeling.

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So, I just don't want to cock it up. Something like that...

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He seemed quite willing for you to talk to him.

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So, he's not going to do something that somebody doesn't want to do or whatever.

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Just checking up. It's just what we do naturally, after a couple of days.

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Just check up on someone and see how they are.

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You can mess up 101 things as a vicar,

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but you mess up a funeral or a bereavement...

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You know that, so you won't, will you? You won't. You're not overconfident.

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It's overconfidence that does it.

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With apparent nerves, Huw faces his most challenging test,

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and one he feels ill-prepared to deal with.

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He knows full well that all his previous good work will

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count for nothing if he makes a mess of this.

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-We'll just have a chat with you, all right?

-All right.

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Sorry, I know it's a difficult situation for you, but it's useful

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for my training to see how you deal with things like that in here.

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-Because, it's not easy, is it?

-It's not, no.

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It's just one of them things that you've got to deal with

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when you're in here.

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You can't ask to go out, because they won't let you out. So, basically, the funeral's tomorrow.

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Everyone's a bit sad about it.

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I have a visit with my brothers tomorrow in here and we'll have a chat

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and take it from there.

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So, all you do is buckle down and get on with it.

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Cos she was ill, she had cancer of the throat and various other things.

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It doesn't matter how expected it is, once you get that news.

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It is hard. I was shocked.

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But I knew it was something up when I seen the card on the door.

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It was bad news.

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I knew something would have been happening with my grandmother.

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I can't do anything, I'm just upset, depressed.

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Can't sleep for the last couple of days, thinking of what's going on.

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All my cousins are going to be there.

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Uncles, aunties, they're all going to be at the funeral.

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And I'm going to be in here.

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Stuck in for another six weeks until I go back.

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So, it's just six weeks you've got, as well?

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-So, at least it's not too long.

-No, it's not too long.

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It feels like an eternity when you're doing it, I'm sure.

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My father said, "Look, when you get out,

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"make sure you go and see her grave and put some flowers on it."

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That's what I'll be doing, anyway.

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I will pray for her and light a candle,

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say goodbye in my own way, because it is tomorrow.

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And that's all I can do.

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-And I'll say a couple of prayers myself, you know.

-Thank you very much.

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With some of the most difficult encounters at the prison

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under his belt, Huw's placement finally comes to an end.

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But what does he make of the experience,

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and would Mark welcome him back with open arms?

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-Well done, Huw.

-Thank you, very much.

-Thank you very much.

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If you ever want to be a prison chaplain, come and see me.

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Well, I might see if I can come back for another placement, maybe.

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It has been good to have you here. We've had a good time and I hope you've enjoyed yourself.

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Thanks very much. Cheers. Bye.

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'It's going to take quite a while to process it all, I think.'

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You've got the extremes.

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You've got the guy whose grandmother died

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and he just gets on with it, brave face on.

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Whereas, you open another cell and say, "Hello - chaplain,

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"how are you getting on", and they just burst into tears.

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You just got the generic question of how do you deal with grown men crying?

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If he was working in Cardiff, I would be happy for him to come

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and work in Cardiff prison with me.

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I just feel that at this stage in his ministry,

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he feels called to work in a rural environment

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and that's something that he should treasure and get on with.

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We have to deal with the fact that we are there for everybody

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and regardless of whether they're a Christian, as well.

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The Anglican church is probably unique in that a parish system,

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we are there for everybody.

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We have legal duties to everybody in Britain...

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..regardless of what they think of us.

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As the Easter term comes to an end, rugby-loving Roz is trying to

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make the toughest decision of her life -

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whether she's going to stay on the course.

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Today she's come to a conference that may allow her to combine

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her twin passions - God and rugby.

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There's a serious need for sports chaplains, say.

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And they're trying to spread it out

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and get as many people involved as possible.

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I think there's a serious need for pastoral support

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and just a caring person who's there, who's neutral.

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Not part of the coaching team, there purely for the holistic

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needs of the players, at the amateur or professional level.

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It's my great loves all boiled into one thing.

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So, if I can fulfil that, I'd be just really happy.

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For Roz, there's just one big drawback to

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sports chaplaincy - it's currently not a career funded by the church.

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It's not a full-time job,

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unfortunately the church hasn't always been sport savvy.

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It would be great to just do voluntary work all the time,

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but it doesn't pay the bills.

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Whilst the day has been a success for making contacts within

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sports chaplaincy, time is ticking for Roz.

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The college authorities need a decision, and she's going to

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have to think long and hard over the next few days.

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Next time,

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the students let their hair down at the end of year celebrations...

0:28:330:28:36

..Roz comes to a final conclusion...

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I don't think this is necessarily the wrong or the right thing, but it's a decision.

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..and for those who get their dog collars, what's life

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really like in the church?

0:28:510:28:53

It was brilliant, I really, really enjoyed it.

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