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The Church in Wales, a traditional institution of hymns, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
prayers and communion. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
Business has been good for millennia, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:09 | |
but with ageing congregations, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
falling numbers, and abandoned buildings, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
the church is facing a serious religious recession. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
So does the answer lie within these walls | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
at St Michael's College, Cardiff? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
A new generation of priests is being prepared for a life | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
that is as likely to include the prison cell as the pulpit. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
And they're taking their message to the most unlikely places... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
Still got to write my sermon for tomorrow. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
The new recruits are stepping out of the scrum to tackle old ideas. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
As a woman, you've got the Vicar of Dibley stereotype, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
then you've got the lesbian stereotype. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
There aren't many hot Christians. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
But will the church authorities embrace the new generation? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
I really do worry that the church isn't ready for people like me. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
And what will congregations make of the young upstarts? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
She was very confident. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
And what will their reactions be when they try to mash up the mass? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
In the 21st century, the clergy have to get out there. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
This is a fully working embalming theatre. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
But will the new kids at the altar get their dog collars? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Talked about leaving. Yeah, itchy feet. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Tonight, Huw's put to the test at Cardiff prison. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
I just don't want to cock it up. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Second-year Lorraine has important guests to impress. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
I'm starting to get really nervous now that Archbishop Rowan | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
and Archbishop Barry are here. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
And Steve's getting his hands dirty. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
It concerns me in some ways that people don't really know | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
about the Easter story. They don't really know | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
about the symbolism of what we're doing. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
This is the roller-coaster ride of the Vicar Academy. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
We've been given unique access behind the scenes | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
for an entire year at the Church in Wales' own college | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
for training vicars. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:01 | |
These students will face a unique set of challenges. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
A third of the clergy are about to retire. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
Congregations have dwindled and buildings have closed. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
A major part of their three year degree is Bible studies, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
which they need to know chapter and verse. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
Assess the presentation of Jesus' relationship | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
-with Roman authority in the gospel. -Something else. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Third-year student Steven is one of many facing the final test, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
and he has a rather unusual solution to the challenge. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
-I've forgotten it all. -There you go. It's everything you need. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
-You're not taking that in with you. -That's just rumours | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
-that you can't take notes in with you. -Is it? -Yeah. You can take the Bible in as well. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
And if bending the rules fails, there's always divine intervention. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
THEY PRAY | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
But the students are also expected to be familiar | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
with all the practical aspects of the role of the vicar as well. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Today a group from the college are visiting Thornhill Crematorium, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
to get an understanding of the practicalities of the funeral service, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
and to make sure they don't make any mistakes when it matters most. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
Roger Swann, the Crematorium Manager, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
shows the students round, and points out those all-important buttons. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
You just press the playback on there and the hymn will start playing | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
all the way through and stop by itself. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
The schedule then will jump down ready for the next hymn | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
or piece of music to play. And also then when you're ready for the curtains | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
it's just pressing down on the button there, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
and the curtains will close around the coffin that's on the trolley there. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
Some people aren't keen on seeing that at the end of the service | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
and then having to get up and walk away like that. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
They prefer the coffin to still be visible. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
What has second-year student Huw Bryant got out of today's visit? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
We've got to get used to coming to these places | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and know our way round them and know what happens, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
cos when you visit the families they may have questions as well. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
So it's just part of the development of that. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Like knowing where the buttons are and which ones to push, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
showing that there was two different controllers there. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
You don't want to close the curtains when you're supposed to be starting the hymn. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
To get an understanding of how the religious and the practical | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
come together, the students are also sent on placements to schools, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
hospitals and care homes, where they're mentored | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
and assessed by experienced clergy. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Steve Bunting is under the close eye of none other than | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
the Bishop of Swansea and Brecon. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
Single dad of three Steve has to juggle family commitments | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
with study at the college. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
He's also turned his back on a successful career as a banker | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
to become a vicar. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
These are my employee of the month trophies. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
It's just a reminder to me that | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
this was another life before the one I'm leading now. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
With Easter being one of the busiest times of the year for the clergy, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
Steve's getting a taste of the hectic schedule of a bishop. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
Today he's finding out about a modern twist | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
on the traditional Easter story. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
This morning we're in Swansea Market in Swansea city centre, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
and it's Maundy Thursday, which is the day where we remember | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
that Jesus washed his disciples' feet at the Last Supper, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
which we'll celebrate in church tonight. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Traditionally we wash people's feet cos that's what Jesus did | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
at the Last Supper. But here in Swansea, the bishop and myself | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
are here shining people's shoes instead of washing their feet. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
As part of that we're asking for donations for the Lent Appeal | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
charities, like Maggie's Cancer Care, things like that. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
So people get attracted to see a bishop in his purple robes | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
washing people's feet, well, shining their shoes. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
-There we go. -Thank you very much. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
It's not long before Steve is rolling up his sleeves | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
and following the bishop's example. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
If you just come round here. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
There we are, let's have this one. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
Good as new, look. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
-You'll need to find somebody to take you out tonight now. -That's lovely. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
-Thank you. -Now worries. Christianity tends to do a lot of things behind closed doors, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
and it's not the way Jesus did it and it's not the way | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
we should be doing it, so we should be taking this opportunity | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
to be out in the city centre, being seen, being faithful, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
doing active service to attract people and then people | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
might be encouraged to go along to their local church tonight. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Don't think, hang on, hang on, don't you get away with it, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
come here, you. You can have these done as well. Aw-w! | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Go out dancing. There we are. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Look at them. As good as new. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
But what does the bishop make of Steve's efforts? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
He's somebody with a very good public face. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
He mixes well with people, he's also got a love for the faith | 0:06:41 | 0:06:47 | |
deep in his heart, but he demonstrates that through | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
getting involved with people where they are and that's essential. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Yeah, it's been successful. We've had quite a lot of people coming through. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
Lots of opportunities to chat to people. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
We've had people from Swansea, people from Devon, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
people from Minnesota. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Most people are quite interested in what we're doing. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
I suppose it concerns me in some ways that people don't really | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
know about the Easter story. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
They don't really know about the symbolism of what we're doing. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
People have come over and asked why is he doing that. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
For me that gives us an opportunity, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
it's all an opportunity to be able to tell people. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
So, the less people know, the more opportunity we've got to tell them. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
So it's all good. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
In a previous life, Steve was used to handling larger sums of money, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
but the contents of the charity box probably means more to him | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
today than any big deals in his former career. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Back in Cardiff, plain-speaking Roz is not the average trainee vicar, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
and recently she's had her doubts about staying on the course. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
It'd just be so much easier just to do something different. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
Prop forward Roz has thrown herself into the world of the rugby club | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
to get away from her college doubts. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
But sometimes her troubles on the course spill over onto the pitch. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Some training sessions I get really annoyed at myself | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
cos I won't be able to train properly cos I'm frustrated about whatever. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
We had a match, it was my first time propping. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
I'd had a really stressful day... | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
It's on Sunday, you know, so what happens in church sometimes can reflect. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
I think it was a... | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
I didn't enjoy the service or I disagreed with what was said | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
or something had happened, and I was just like... | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
when I got to the match I just couldn't switch on. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
I was so annoyed. The best way to be is to leave everything | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
and just be playing the game. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:32 | |
While the match starts off well, things don't all go Roz's way, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
and she has to make an early exit. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
I got my first yellow card in the last ten minutes of the game. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
Er...just took out somebody around the neck, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
which you're not meant to do. I didn't mean to. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Sitting on the sidelines, she has time to think. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
For me at the moment rugby's kind of my staple, it's my reason to be here. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
It gives me a purpose. College doesn't do that for me. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Like, at the moment, realistically, I've got no purpose in the church, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
and it's just like, well, I'll go somewhere where I've got | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
a purpose and that, you know, gets translated into this kind of thing. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
So far, there's nothing that's inspiring about wanting to get | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
ordained in what I've done. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
There is, cos you're obviously around all these amazing people | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
who are doing. But I don't feel that I've got a meaning right now. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
In Cardiff prison, Huw's also had time to reflect. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
His rebellious past, filled with youthful run-ins with the police | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
and protest marches around the country could have | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
brought him to a place like this under different circumstances. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
If I'd been born in a different place, would that be me in there? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
I mean, you look around the prison and you just think, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
"There but for the grace of God goes you or I." | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Now he's under the supervision of mentor Mark John, an experienced | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
chaplain at the prison. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
From day one, Huw has shown his nerves, but also | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
a willingness to put himself out there. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
Mark wants to see if Huw can cope with the demands of the prison, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and has arranged for him to do an induction - a one to one | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
interview with a prisoner on his arrival at the jail. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
What I thought would be a good thing is for you to help us | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
with one of those induction interviews. You've seen me do a couple | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and you've seen some other bits and pieces. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
The prisoner you're about to see is someone I know quite well. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
He's been in and out of here a lot of times. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
You'll probably feel a bit nervous going through the questions, probably a bit awkward. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
I just want you to go into his cell there with him now. I'll leave you to it, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
and you see what information you can get out of him, OK? | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
-OK. -Happy? -As I'm going to be. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Right. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Huw from the chaplaincy. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
We'll just run through some of these questions on here. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
-Were you working before you came in? -Erm...no, no. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Erm...cos I'm one of the detox script Subutex. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
-It's like, I suppose, still using. You're not liable to work. -Methadone? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
No, it's similar to that, but, like, Subutex is, erm... | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
like, methadone you can use on top and I was scared I would. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
-Ah. -So, Subutex, as soon as that dissolves under your tongue... -Yeah? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
..you CAN use. Best way to describe is, you know the Ready Brek advert | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
with the little kid with the glow around him? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
It's like that with me. I've got an invisible protection barrier around me. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
-It's quite a new thing. -Yeah. I'll have to look that one up. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
It's all a learning curve for Huw, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
but there are some experiences from his past that he's happy | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
to share with the prisoners in order to make a personal connection. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
I was on a scheme with the probation, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
voluntary pilot scheme, where they give you a tag around your leg | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
and they can monitor you if they need to 24 hours a day from a computer. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
They can find out where you are three feet in front of you, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
three feet behind you and three feet to the side of you with this tag. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Yeah, I had a mate who was on one before. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
They always used to drag him out his house to set it off. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
Yeah, that's a different one. That's a curfew one. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
-This is one that just tracks you everywhere? -24/7. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
So if they come and said, "Right, you done a burglary, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
"at the beginning of the month at so and so," | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
they can go back on the computer, the team in probation, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and say, no it wasn't him, or yes, it was him. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
If there is any help you do need, then, you know, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
I hope you do feel you can ask | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
and anyone in the chaplaincy team will come over and have a chat. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
Yeah, I know that, yeah, yeah. Is Sister Yvonne still there? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Sister Yvonne? Yeah, I think she is still around. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
-She was the first one there when my daughter died. -Oh, right. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Even thought I was out and I tried to save her, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
five days later I went silly, got stupid drunk. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
I've never drunk to this day since, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
but I found myself in here for a week. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
It's all right, that's one of the things I got done for. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Well, we all have our flaws. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
We all get done for something at some point. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Again Huw's unfazed by sharing details of past experiences | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
to gain trust and to build bridges. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
I'm in here for the week, but, you know, as you said, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
I might see you outside. But Mark will be here all the time anyway. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
-Thank you. -Thanks very much. -Thanks very much, mate. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
-Cheers. -Thank you. Bye. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
He seems to know the system better than I do | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
and I think he was teaching me half the time. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
They need help, not locking up. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
So, hopefully between chaplaincy and then when they get out, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
not just churches, but secular charities as well, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
maybe we can do some good and help break the cycle. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Having spent the morning polishing shoes for charity with the bishop, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
Steve's travelled to Brecon Cathedral for a more traditional | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
take on Maundy Thursday. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Whilst fundraising in Swansea market provided a modern way | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
of getting out to the community, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
the evening service shows Steve the traditional side of the church. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
I've taken part in small cathedral services | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
but never a service of this size and this kind of...fussiness, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
for want of a better phrase. I'm doing various bits and pieces, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
I'm serving at the, erm...thurifer. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
And I'm washing feet and having feet washed. All in one service. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
This is brand new for me. I'm quite excited about it. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
The service is one of the most poignant during Easter, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
and involves members of the congregation having their feet washed. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
With the incense and choir, it's a million miles | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
from Steve's more modern church background. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
There is something very poignant about kneeling down on the floor | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
and washing somebody's feet, you know. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Obviously that's what Jesus did, you're mimicking his actions | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
and it is quite humbling to do that. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
I suppose before the service you have a bit of a laugh and a joke about, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
you know, "Have you washed your feet?" Messing about, that kind of thing. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
But when you're actually doing it, it is a fairly sombre thing to do. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
It's really great to be part of the drama of the occasion. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
I think it has been a contrast, cos one minute you're in the market | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
shoe-shining and having an opportunity to speak to the public. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
And then in the evening you're in an ancient building | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
with members of the public, just celebrating in a solemn way. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
Re-enacting Jesus, the Last Supper | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
and it is quite a striking balance, really. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
It's the two aims of what we do as a church. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
We come together in the church building to celebrate | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
parts of Jesus' life and then we go out to do things | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
and to tell people about Jesus' life. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
So, they're both the dual purpose of the church, really. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
At Cardiff prison, Huw's started to put his nerves to the back of his mind. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
Chaplain and mentor Mark wants to see evidence of him | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
working independently during his rounds of the health-care | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
centre as part of his next test. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
You coping all right, like? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Having been encouraged to look for signs of vulnerability or | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
distress, Huw spots a prisoner who's at the end of his tether | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
and decides to take the initiative. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
-Mark, is it all right for me to go in? -It is. Yep, no problem. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:05 | |
Of course it is. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
'Huw's just doing his ordinary rounds. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
'Getting more confident as he's been going on and now, he just called me | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
'to open a call door for him because he hasn't got keys, he can't get in.' | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
And there's a prisoner who is in quite a lot of distress, so he's spending some time. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
That's the perfect thing in this experience. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
He was saying to me before, "I haven't got much experience. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
"I find these sort of things difficult." | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
The only way you get experience is to sit down. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
I noticed the way he was sat in there, his body language was | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
very open and laid-back and allowing the guy to talk to him. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
So, hopefully again he's doing my work for me, which is nice. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
But he'll gain experience which will equip him well in the future. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
The poor lad's cracking up in there, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
cos he just doesn't know what's going on. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
And obviously, what he says he did | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
and what the charge sheet says might be different. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
Got to take everything with a pinch of salt. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
But...he's still in a mess and he still needs us | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
to go in and check on him. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Sometimes they just need reminding that there are people out there | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
who care and they have got something to look forward to, to live for. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
And try and get to focus on the positive of the future that they | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
might have, if they can sort themselves out. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Rather than going over the past in a downwards spiral continuously. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
With some early successes under his belt, Mark wants to see | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
if Huw can pass one last test before he gives his final | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
verdict at the end of the day. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
As part of the course, the students are expected to | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
take on the role of Deacon in services, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
looking after many of the practical elements. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Sometimes special guests are invited, and today is | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
particularly nerve-wracking for the student at centre stage. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
The Archbishop of Canterbury | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
and the Archbishop of Wales are visiting the college. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
And all the responsibility is on second-year Lorraine's shoulders. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
When we got the rotas out at the beginning of term, I looked at the rota | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
and realised that I was deaconing this service, which is normally fine. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
But actually the Archbishop of Canterbury's coming, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
as well as the Archbishop of Wales, for this service. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
So, it's quite a big service to be organising | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
and it represents the college, so...I wanted it to be a good service | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
that properly represented the college and all the diversity that we've got. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
There are plenty of last minute preparations to ensure that | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
everyone knows their part, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
and the clocks ticking for the arrival of the main guests. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
I was nervous first thing this morning. I'm OK at the moment. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
But I know I'm not very good at small talk, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
so I'm really nervous about | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
doing small talk with the archbishops, and also I'm | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
singing the psalm and my voice always wobbles when I'm nervous. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
So, I'm hoping that is going to be OK. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
As the two archbishops prepare for their part in the service, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
Lorraine keeps a keen eye on proceedings | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
while she tries to control her emotions. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
I'm starting to get really nervous, now... | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
now Archbishop Rowan and Archbishop Barry are here. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I keep looking at my notes and thinking, "What am I going to forget"? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
It's good to be with you here this morning | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
and it's especially good that Archbishop Rowan is with us. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
And it's also meant that I don't have to preach this morning, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
as I was due to do, because he is going to preach the sermon. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
-Yn enw'r Tad a'r Mab a'r Ysbryd Glan. -Amen. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
There's no hiding place for Lorraine, but will her | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
singing voice betray her nerves as she steps up to sing the psalm? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
SONG: "PSALM 51" | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
# Have mercy on me, O God | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
# And cleanse me for my sins | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
# Have mercy on me, O God | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
# And cleanse me for my sins. # | 0:20:07 | 0:20:13 | |
With the psalm having gone well, Lorraine | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
and the rest of the students can sit back and listen to | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
a specially tailored sermon from the Archbishop of Canterbury. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I used to teach in a theological college, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
and indeed I was in a theological college. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
Some people feel their spiritual life goes to pieces once | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
they're ordained. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
But what all that is about, of course, is that the pressure | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
of being in Christ is always taking us in the direction of Christ. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:41 | |
"Where he is, his servants will be." | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Trying to learn how to trust that he is ahead of us, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
even when we don't see the way. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
And trying to trust that he is at work in us, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
even when we can't begin to see how. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
I've never done with believing in God. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I've never fully learned how to believe in God. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
Every day of my life, I am learning how to believe in God. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
May God help us in our ministries, to enable the world to "get" Jesus, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:14 | |
to see the mystery exploding to the ends of the earth, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
penetrating every corner of the human experience. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
Amen. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
The end of the service is an opportunity for the students | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
to take advantage of the ultimate Anglican photo opportunity, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
and for Lorraine to breathe a huge sigh of relief. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
I'm really glad it's over. It's such a relief. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
I really enjoyed the service. It was really good. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
I would be looking forward to a glass of wine, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
except I've given it up for Lent. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
And as Lorraine celebrates without alcohol, both archbishops think | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
back to their own college days at a very different time. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
I was in theological college 40 years ago, believe it or not. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
And what amazes me is it never crossed my mind that there | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
were no women training for ministry. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
And since then, of course, I'm convinced that that's the right way. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
And I think it's been a very interesting trend in the last five | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
to ten years that the average age does seem to have gone down again. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
And that's important in role-modelling for younger Christians. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
It's important in getting the sense that we have people | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
who are taking a long view. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:27 | |
They're prepared to be giving the rest of what could be quite a long ministry. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
And before they disappear, there's just time for God's team photo with | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
both captains at centre stage. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
In Cardiff prison, it's time for a quick fag break. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
Huw is really getting the hang of things, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
but mentor Mark wants him to face his toughest test. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
On a previous day, Mark had to break the news of the death | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
of a grandmother to a prisoner, and now it's Huw's turn to follow it up. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
In terms of the guy with the bereavement, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
really just check up how the week's been, how he's feeling. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Does he know when the funeral is? Get the information off him. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
Very straightforward. You don't need no expertise to do that. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
You can go on 101 courses about how you do bereavement counselling | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
or whatever, but it's actually just listening to the guy | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
and responding to what he's saying and how he's feeling. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
So, I just don't want to cock it up. Something like that... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
He seemed quite willing for you to talk to him. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
So, he's not going to do something that somebody doesn't want to do or whatever. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
Just checking up. It's just what we do naturally, after a couple of days. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
Just check up on someone and see how they are. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
You can mess up 101 things as a vicar, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
but you mess up a funeral or a bereavement... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
You know that, so you won't, will you? You won't. You're not overconfident. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
It's overconfidence that does it. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
With apparent nerves, Huw faces his most challenging test, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
and one he feels ill-prepared to deal with. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
He knows full well that all his previous good work will | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
count for nothing if he makes a mess of this. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
-We'll just have a chat with you, all right? -All right. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Sorry, I know it's a difficult situation for you, but it's useful | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
for my training to see how you deal with things like that in here. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
-Because, it's not easy, is it? -It's not, no. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
It's just one of them things that you've got to deal with | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
when you're in here. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
You can't ask to go out, because they won't let you out. So, basically, the funeral's tomorrow. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:27 | |
Everyone's a bit sad about it. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
I have a visit with my brothers tomorrow in here and we'll have a chat | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
and take it from there. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
So, all you do is buckle down and get on with it. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
Cos she was ill, she had cancer of the throat and various other things. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
It doesn't matter how expected it is, once you get that news. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
It is hard. I was shocked. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
But I knew it was something up when I seen the card on the door. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
It was bad news. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
I knew something would have been happening with my grandmother. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
I can't do anything, I'm just upset, depressed. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Can't sleep for the last couple of days, thinking of what's going on. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
All my cousins are going to be there. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
Uncles, aunties, they're all going to be at the funeral. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
And I'm going to be in here. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
Stuck in for another six weeks until I go back. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
So, it's just six weeks you've got, as well? | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
-So, at least it's not too long. -No, it's not too long. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
It feels like an eternity when you're doing it, I'm sure. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
My father said, "Look, when you get out, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
"make sure you go and see her grave and put some flowers on it." | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
That's what I'll be doing, anyway. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
I will pray for her and light a candle, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
say goodbye in my own way, because it is tomorrow. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
And that's all I can do. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
-And I'll say a couple of prayers myself, you know. -Thank you very much. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
With some of the most difficult encounters at the prison | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
under his belt, Huw's placement finally comes to an end. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
But what does he make of the experience, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
and would Mark welcome him back with open arms? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
-Well done, Huw. -Thank you, very much. -Thank you very much. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
If you ever want to be a prison chaplain, come and see me. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Well, I might see if I can come back for another placement, maybe. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
It has been good to have you here. We've had a good time and I hope you've enjoyed yourself. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
Thanks very much. Cheers. Bye. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
'It's going to take quite a while to process it all, I think.' | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
You've got the extremes. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
You've got the guy whose grandmother died | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
and he just gets on with it, brave face on. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Whereas, you open another cell and say, "Hello - chaplain, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
"how are you getting on", and they just burst into tears. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
You just got the generic question of how do you deal with grown men crying? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
If he was working in Cardiff, I would be happy for him to come | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
and work in Cardiff prison with me. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
I just feel that at this stage in his ministry, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
he feels called to work in a rural environment | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
and that's something that he should treasure and get on with. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
We have to deal with the fact that we are there for everybody | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
and regardless of whether they're a Christian, as well. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
The Anglican church is probably unique in that a parish system, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
we are there for everybody. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
We have legal duties to everybody in Britain... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
..regardless of what they think of us. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
As the Easter term comes to an end, rugby-loving Roz is trying to | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
make the toughest decision of her life - | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
whether she's going to stay on the course. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Today she's come to a conference that may allow her to combine | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
her twin passions - God and rugby. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
There's a serious need for sports chaplains, say. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
And they're trying to spread it out | 0:27:30 | 0:27:31 | |
and get as many people involved as possible. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
I think there's a serious need for pastoral support | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
and just a caring person who's there, who's neutral. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Not part of the coaching team, there purely for the holistic | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
needs of the players, at the amateur or professional level. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
It's my great loves all boiled into one thing. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
So, if I can fulfil that, I'd be just really happy. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
For Roz, there's just one big drawback to | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
sports chaplaincy - it's currently not a career funded by the church. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
It's not a full-time job, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
unfortunately the church hasn't always been sport savvy. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
It would be great to just do voluntary work all the time, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
but it doesn't pay the bills. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
Whilst the day has been a success for making contacts within | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
sports chaplaincy, time is ticking for Roz. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
The college authorities need a decision, and she's going to | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
have to think long and hard over the next few days. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
Next time, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
the students let their hair down at the end of year celebrations... | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
..Roz comes to a final conclusion... | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
I don't think this is necessarily the wrong or the right thing, but it's a decision. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
..and for those who get their dog collars, what's life | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
really like in the church? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
It was brilliant, I really, really enjoyed it. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
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