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For 100 million years, dinosaurs dominated the Earth.

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But they remain enigmatic creatures.

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That's because all that scientists had to work with

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were fossilized bones.

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Ah! Woo!

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But now, the seemingly impossible has been discovered...

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-Oh, look!

-Yeah.

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..signs of life inside these long-dead skeletons.

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It opened the door to the possibility

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that we could begin to understand dinosaurs in a different way.

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For the first time,

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they've been able to look at the blood of a T-rex...

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..touch 68 million-year-old soft tissue...

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It was, you know, goosebump-inducing -

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just about everything that we saw.

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And Dr Mary Schweitzer may be on the verge

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of turning Hollywood fantasy into scientific reality...

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..finding dinosaur DNA.

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It looks like it, it acts like it, it smells like it.

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You know what, if you have cells, if you have soft tissue,

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if you have proteins,

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why rule out DNA?

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For the past few decades,

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dinosaur hunters have been drawn to the American West.

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It's pretty much Dr Mary Schweitzer's back yard.

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She lives for part of the year in the Rocky Mountain state of Montana,

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where some of the richest dinosaur remains have been uncovered.

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A lot of dinosaurs lived in this area because just to the East of us,

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in Eastern Montana, North and South Dakota,

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was a big, shallow, warm inland sea.

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And so the dinosaurs would follow the seaway,

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migrating up and down, North and South,

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so there was a lot of them here.

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More T-rexes have been found here in Montana

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than anywhere else in the world.

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But we know very little about the world's most iconic dinosaur...

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..apart from a few very simple facts, like it was 12m long

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and could weigh seven tonnes.

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That's a good boy. Come on.

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There you go.

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And that's because, according to Dr Schweitzer,

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the male-dominated world of dinosaur science

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tends to ask the wrong questions.

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I think for men a lot of it is, "Can we quantify it?"

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You know - bigger teeth, meaner animal.

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And I think for women, we're...

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I can't say that it's all that way

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but I think mostly we ask different questions.

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We ask, "How did they function? What was their biology?"

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SHE LAUGHS

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Ah! Woo!

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Today, she isn't riding the range in search of another T-rex.

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She's hunting more recent remains that might help to reveal

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some of the hidden secrets of the world's best-known dinosaur.

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And that's because she's interested in how

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the once-living tissue of this dead buffalo

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decays and gets broken down over time.

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In palaeontology, we can't watch our dinosaurs die.

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And we can't see what's going to happen to them.

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But we know that obviously, if all we have is a skeleton,

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we don't have the whole dinosaur.

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There's a lot of information missing.

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But again, when you see parts in the fossil record...

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this is skin right there.

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That has a high preservation potential

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and it's because of the molecular make-up of the skin itself.

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The guts are gone, the intestines are gone.

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But the skin and the cartilage, the bone and the teeth

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are what remain.

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Good boy.

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Your buddies are jealous, huh?

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It's long been Mary's dream to do this

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with a 65 million-year-old fossil.

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To be able to get her hands on blood,

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soft tissue and even the DNA of a T-rex.

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Come on, play with me.

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It might seem an impossible task

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but she believes that finding signs of life,

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uncovering ancient biology,

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is the only way to put flesh on the bones

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of the most iconic creatures ever to stalk the Earth.

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I mean, a lot of the things that have been done in the past,

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with respect to dinosaurs, have been untestable hypotheses.

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I mean, really, you could say dinosaurs were invisible and green

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and how would I prove you wrong? There's no data.

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I love the way they smell.

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'So I think that getting at some of these questions

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'about how their proteins are put together

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'can get us at their function,

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'get us at why they had an evolutionary advantage.'

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And if we can understand that, there's a lot we can learn from them.

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You're falling asleep! Look at, those eyes are starting to get shut.

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Imagine trying to figure out how a horse might look,

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just from its skeleton.

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Without the biology - the cells, protein and DNA...

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..we couldn't tell what colour its eyes were...

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..how far it could see...

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..the way it smelt...

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..the texture of its coat...

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..the make and shape of its muscles.

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Without its biology, the horse just isn't a horse.

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But most palaeontologists believed that finding any biological material

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in 65 million-year-old dinosaur bones

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was impossible.

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And that's because it was thought that the process of fossilisation

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destroyed every living thing in the bone.

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Once the dead animal is covered in sand or mud,

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the fleshy parts then decay.

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And the mineral and organic elements of the bone

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are replaced by the minerals in the soil.

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In essence,

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they get turned to stone.

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But what if this wasn't the case?

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What if some of this biological material was still with us?

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The only way to find out

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would be to look inside the bones...

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..to conduct a dinosaur autopsy.

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And that's exactly what's going on here.

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A dinosaur leg bone is being cut up for analysis...

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..in a process known as histology.

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The bone then needs to be carved into thin slices...

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..and embedded in plastic so it can be examined under a microscope.

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It's a bit like cutting down a tree and looking at the rings.

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They reveal how fast or slowly the tree grew.

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And you can see the same kind of pattern in dinosaur bones.

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Is this the first femur?

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It was pioneered by Mary's mentor and the world's leading dinosaur scientist,

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Dr Jack Horner.

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Let's say that section.

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'Looking at the bone histology of dinosaurs'

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and looking at babies and juveniles and some adults,

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we've learned that

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when baby dinosaurs hatched out of their eggs, they grew really fast.

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Do you know what side it is yet?

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'They had sustained high growth periods.'

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INDISTINCT CHATTER

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'If you hatch out of the egg at a half a metre long,'

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you're not very big.

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And if you're going to grow to the size of a house,

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you'd better get busy.

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And that's all I can say

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because the longer you are small, the longer you're vulnerable.

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Mary started out as Jack's student.

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And back in 1991, he gave her pieces of a T-rex leg bone to analyse.

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At first, there appeared to be nothing out of the ordinary

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about this bone.

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But THIS bone turned out to be rather special.

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Because what she was looking at,

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when she placed the slide under the microscope,

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had never been seen before.

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Staring back at her was something that shouldn't have been there.

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It looked like a red blood cell.

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And its chemical composition included a heme -

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a part of haemoglobin which helps carry oxygen in blood

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and gives it its red colour.

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MARY: I was shocked, I was really surprised.

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The thing that was cool about it is we know very little, really,

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about these beasts that once walked on the surface of our planet.

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And all vertebrate organisms except, well, almost all,

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except for mammals, have nucleated red blood cells.

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And these things that I was seeing in the vessel channels of the bone

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were nucleated. They were translucent red with a dark centre.

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This evidence seemed to suggest that organic matter could in some way

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survive the process of fossilisation.

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And what was so exciting about it...

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..is that the new tools and technology of molecular biology

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might now be used to understand these long-vanished creatures.

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'It opened the door to the possibility that we could begin to understand

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'the function and the physiology of dinosaurs in a different way.

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If we could get at the elemental molecular structure,

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that's where the real evolutionary information is housed.

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And so being able to recover those things from a dinosaur

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would open the door to understanding them at a completely different level.

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She now set out to look for other evidence.

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That's if there was anything else to recover.

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Mary's new techniques now started to play into

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one of the most long-standing questions in palaeontology.

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Just what kind of creatures were dinosaurs?

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For decades, scientists relied on unearthing clues from the bones -

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the anatomy.

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And for the people who invented palaeontology in the 19th century...

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..the bones they saw mostly looked like giant lizards.

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It wasn't just the size of the bones - they're obviously colossal.

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It was the teeth that really helped them understand

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what sort of creatures dinosaurs were.

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-DR HORNER:

-The teeth that they were finding were very similar,

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or at least somewhat similar, to lizards.

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And in particular,

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one was particularly close to an iguana lizard.

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And so they didn't have much of the skeleton of the dinosaur

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but they knew what an iguana lizard looks like

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and an iguana lizard is a reptile.

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But for modern scientists, the teeth are now seen as a distraction.

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A more comprehensive analysis of their skeletons

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suggests they're not related to lizards, but birds.

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And there's one bone in particular, familiar from the dinner table,

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that's helped to prove the case.

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It's a very special bone called the furcula.

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And the furcula we find in meat-eating dinosaurs

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is otherwise known as the wishbone.

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And so when we think about what characteristics define a bird -

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the wishbone, hollow bones, feathers, hard-shelled eggs,

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I mean, there's a whole list of them.

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And what's interesting is, through the ages we've discovered

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that dinosaurs actually invented all of those characteristics.

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Dinosaurs had all of those characteristics...

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..those that we consider bird characteristics.

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Anatomy has helped to establish the size, weight,

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even the strength of dinosaurs.

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But on questions of their bird-like biology -

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the colour of their skin, whether they were warm- or cold-blooded,

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even how they evolved -

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the bones are silent.

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Making them talk would require luck, skill

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and knowing the right people.

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This is Bob Harmon.

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For decades, he's worked closely with Jack Horner.

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And he's something of a legend in palaeontology.

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He has a special gift for sniffing out fossils.

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And back in 2000, there was something about the lay of the land

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in the Hell's Creek area of Montana that looked promising.

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One day, I came to this one area, kind of a box canyon type area,

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and I actually sat down to eat my lunch

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and figure out how to get up to this next cliff I was going to look at.

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So I was eating lunch, turned around, looked,

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and here's a bleached-out white bone sticking out of the cliff.

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So...

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And then I got to looking a little farther and I could see it,

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the cross-section of a tyrannosaur vertebrate.

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It has a very distinct shape,

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something we look for when we're out prospecting.

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It's a honeycomb shape.

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So when you see that, you get all excited

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cos it's probably a T-rex.

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You know, heart started beating pretty good

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and then I start looking up and up and up

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at 50 feet of rock sitting on top of this bone.

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And pretty much just went, "My God, what have I done?" You know?

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That's because he knew he'd have to remove

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all of that 50 foot of rock to get at the fossil.

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It took them nearly three years' careful digging

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to extricate the whole skeleton.

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But there was another problem.

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The area was so remote - there were no roads in or out -

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that every single piece of it had to be choppered out.

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But one of the bones, a femur, was just too big to carry.

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And Bob had to do something he really didn't want to.

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I said, "Jeez, we are going to have to break this thing in half."

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And tyrannosaur bone does not break well.

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I mean, it's so dense, you know, it's hollow in the middle

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then it just shatters like glass when you break it.

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-So I knew it was going to be bad.

-HE LAUGHS

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But I said, "OK. I don't think we have any choice. Let's just do it."

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So we broke it in half and it shattered all over.

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The bones get removed with the soil surrounding them.

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It's what the scientists call context.

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They still don't really know why but the Hell's Creek soil

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seems to have special preservation properties.

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And when some of these Hell's Creek bones are cracked open,

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there's something about them that marks them out as different.

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And it's got nothing to do with how they look.

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-JACK:

-In many bones that are broken up,

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we do have a very biological smell.

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Kind of a...almost like oil or rotting something. Um...

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And, you know,

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it was certainly weird back in the days before we knew

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what it possibly was.

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As it turned out,

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this smell was a clue to what lay within the bones.

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This was just the kind of material

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Mary Schweitzer wanted to get her hands on.

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But it wasn't the smell of the fragments of T-rex femur

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that Jack sent her that set her pulse racing.

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It was how they looked.

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T-rex bones might appear solid but they're not.

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They are in fact hollow.

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But when she peered through the microscope,

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she saw something that shouldn't have been there.

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And this is it.

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The yellow area should have been hollow.

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The fossilised bone on the outside,

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which is all that remains of cortical bone,

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was all she expected to find.

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This tissue right here is what most dinosaur bone looks like.

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Everybody has this.

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This tissue right here had not been seen before.

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She saw what appeared to be a group of specialised cells.

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And these cells were utterly unique.

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They're only found in birds.

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And they use this tissue to make eggs.

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And that could only mean one thing.

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And I looked at it and I held it in my hand

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and I said to my technician,

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"Oh, my gosh, this is a girl and it's pregnant."

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If Mary really was looking at the bones of a pregnant T-rex,

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it'd be a first in palaeontology.

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But the microscope slide on its own wasn't enough.

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MARY: I love her wings from the back. Can you get that picture?

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MARY GIGGLES

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Ow!

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To be sure, she needed to compare it with the medullary bone

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from one of the most primitive birds still alive -

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the ostrich.

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Its evolutionary history can be traced back 23 million years.

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So just how does an ostrich compare with a dinosaur?

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I am in love. Look at this. Look at her wing.

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Can you see how the feather's attached to the skin?

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Look at, their arms are like T-rex...

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..with skin on. They're short, little, stubby things.

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But you see how the feathers are inserting into the skin like that?

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Do we have any more grapes?

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The problem was that she couldn't do the test

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on a living pregnant ostrich.

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She needed a dead one.

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So she put out a plea for help

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and fortunately a local ostrich farmer answered the call.

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He had a pregnant bird

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but it had been dead for over a week.

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I could definitely smell it before I could see it.

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It was all, you know, bloated from death and...

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..you touched the stomach and it kind of went "goosh!"

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It was so gross and it was really smelly.

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So I sawed the leg off

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and tasted really rotten ostrich meat for about two weeks after that,

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in my mouth.

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But it was really gross and he had a whole bunch more ostriches

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so they were all kind of standing around me in a circle,

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watching as I dismembered their friend

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and I felt a little weird about that.

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Holding her nose, she took the bone back into the lab

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and placed it under a microscope.

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And what she saw was ground-breaking.

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The pregnant ostrich had medullary bone

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and in exactly the same position as the pregnant T-rex.

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It was really cool that we had a pregnant dinosaur

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but this had been predicted and it was just verifying that,

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you know, if birds and dinosaurs

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were as closely related as we had been thinking, as a field,

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it should have been there.

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It was the first time that anyone had ever been able

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to establish the sex of a dinosaur.

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And it confirmed the importance

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of trying to understand the biology of these ancient creatures.

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MARY: I couldn't believe it. It was, you know, it was just a gift.

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In my kind of palaeontology, everybody's eyes glass over.

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If you want to go to a talk on palaeontology

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you think field pictures and badlands and really pretty...dinosaurs.

0:28:330:28:39

And I study under the microscope.

0:28:390:28:41

So this was exciting in that I thought, "Well,

0:28:410:28:44

"maybe this is the time I can really contribute to the field

0:28:440:28:46

"in a way that my colleagues will understand and care about."

0:28:460:28:50

Rather than just letting Mary do her own weird thing!

0:28:500:28:52

So, yeah, I was excited.

0:28:520:28:54

One of the first implications of her work

0:29:030:29:05

was to make the biological case that dinosaurs were indeed birds.

0:29:050:29:09

MARY: They're so fun!

0:29:120:29:15

See their feet?

0:29:150:29:16

And Mary, along with other scientists,

0:29:180:29:21

has been figuring out what this might mean

0:29:210:29:23

for how we see these iconic animals.

0:29:230:29:26

He's so pretty.

0:29:260:29:27

For a start, it would be difficult to read their expressions.

0:29:300:29:33

Well, if you notice their skulls, their head, it's just...

0:29:360:29:40

skin stretched over the bone.

0:29:400:29:42

And so they don't have the muscles, they don't have the additional fat.

0:29:430:29:49

And that's what gives animals expression like your dog

0:29:490:29:52

that looks at you with the cocked head and the ears

0:29:520:29:54

and the little furrow in its brow.

0:29:540:29:57

These guys aren't capable of doing that.

0:29:570:29:59

They don't convey any emotion at all.

0:30:000:30:04

And if you look directly in his eye, it almost looks dead.

0:30:040:30:08

That's what they might look like in a one-on-one

0:30:120:30:15

but what about collectively, when they're all gathered together?

0:30:150:30:19

-DR HORNER:

-I think that when we're imagining dinosaurs on a plain,

0:30:200:30:24

we have to really think of them like flocks of birds,

0:30:240:30:28

walking and then shifting and then, you know, I mean just, you know,

0:30:280:30:33

Not just mulling around like mammals do.

0:30:330:30:36

I mean, mammals are just sort of mulling around.

0:30:360:30:39

Birds, you know, really have some, you know,

0:30:390:30:43

some overall shape to their groups.

0:30:430:30:47

I mean, they all are travelling in one area and then they shift

0:30:470:30:51

and, I mean, it's just very different.

0:30:510:30:54

And what about the best-known dinosaur of all,

0:30:570:31:01

T-rex?

0:31:010:31:02

What kind of bird was it?

0:31:040:31:05

So, if we think about Tyrannosaurus with its bone-crushing teeth,

0:31:070:31:12

I envision it to be much like a vulture.

0:31:120:31:15

And when you think about a big vulture eating carcasses,

0:31:170:31:21

they're nasty.

0:31:210:31:23

He wants to eat me for lunch.

0:31:260:31:27

SHE SHRIEKS

0:31:320:31:34

That was my Velociraptor experience. That's as close as I want to have.

0:31:430:31:47

Look at, there he goes again.

0:31:470:31:48

SHE LAUGHS

0:31:480:31:50

I think there would be no hesitation, no pulling back.

0:31:500:31:53

And I think once they decide they want you for lunch,

0:31:530:31:56

you might as well just give up.

0:31:560:31:59

Ooh!

0:31:590:32:01

All this started to show that her work,

0:32:050:32:08

hunting for organic matter within ancient fossils,

0:32:080:32:12

had the potential to really transform our understanding

0:32:120:32:16

of dinosaurs.

0:32:160:32:17

The next step, the most important one,

0:32:230:32:26

came from re-examining the basics of bone biology.

0:32:260:32:29

Bone is a composite. It's like plywood.

0:32:350:32:38

It has a hard part, which is the minerals that make up bone,

0:32:380:32:42

and it has a soft part, which is the collagen.

0:32:420:32:45

So bone is both protein and it's mineral.

0:32:450:32:48

And when you put the two together, it gives it great strength.

0:32:480:32:51

But it is alive and the cells that are part of bone maintain it

0:32:510:32:55

and they give it nutrients

0:32:550:32:57

and they continue to just maintain the bone as living structure.

0:32:570:33:00

Take away the mineral element of this chicken bone

0:33:030:33:06

by sticking it in an acid bath and all you're left with

0:33:060:33:09

is the bendy, flexible, collagen, protein part.

0:33:090:33:12

So Mary wondered,

0:33:140:33:15

could you find that organic material in a T-rex fossil?

0:33:150:33:19

We have always assumed that all of the organics go away.

0:33:200:33:23

And so what you're left with is basically a mineral morph.

0:33:230:33:27

And it's got lots of holes in it where the protein used to sit,

0:33:270:33:30

where the blood vessels used to run

0:33:300:33:31

and the little houses where the bone cells are,

0:33:310:33:34

that's all empty now.

0:33:340:33:35

So, I mean, if we're right about that process

0:33:350:33:38

then if you remove the mineral, you should have nothing left. Right?

0:33:380:33:42

Because the organics are already gone.

0:33:420:33:43

So she set up a deceptively simple experiment.

0:33:470:33:50

She dropped the T-rex fossil, packed full of medullary bone,

0:33:520:33:56

in an acid bath...

0:33:560:33:57

..and left it overnight.

0:34:000:34:02

When her assistant came back to check in the morning,

0:34:130:34:16

something remarkable had happened.

0:34:160:34:18

Something that didn't seem possible.

0:34:190:34:22

The process went faster than either of us predicted.

0:34:240:34:27

And so when she went to stop it by taking the piece of medullary bone

0:34:270:34:31

and putting it in water, she went to pick it up with her tweezers

0:34:310:34:34

and it went like that...

0:34:340:34:36

And she called me immediately and said, "Something's really wrong."

0:34:410:34:45

And, you know, I mean, I had the same expectation as anyone else -

0:34:450:34:48

if you dissolve away your dinosaur bone,

0:34:480:34:51

you're going to have nothing left.

0:34:510:34:53

But we did.

0:34:530:34:54

And this is what it looked like under a microscope.

0:34:580:35:01

In a sense, she was able to reach back through 68 million years

0:35:050:35:10

and touch a dinosaur.

0:35:100:35:12

And not just any dinosaur -

0:35:220:35:24

this was a soft, pliable piece of a T-rex.

0:35:240:35:29

So, we saw this, where basically this is the medullary bone

0:35:360:35:39

with the mineral removed.

0:35:390:35:41

And you can see...see the blood vessels inside the bone?

0:35:420:35:46

They stretch with the matrix themselves.

0:35:460:35:49

This was really hard to hang on to!

0:35:490:35:52

But there you go, you see it stretch?

0:35:520:35:53

This was a combination of my absolute worst nightmare and Christmas,

0:35:550:36:01

every day in the lab for about a month.

0:36:010:36:03

I couldn't wait to get to work

0:36:030:36:05

but I was scared to death at what had happened overnight.

0:36:050:36:08

Um...it was, you know, goosebump-inducing -

0:36:080:36:13

just about everything that we saw.

0:36:130:36:16

It was...

0:36:160:36:17

I can't even explain it

0:36:170:36:18

and I know I'll never have that experience again

0:36:180:36:21

but it was magic - just magic.

0:36:210:36:22

Finding the soft tissue

0:36:400:36:42

opened the door to a new world of possibilities.

0:36:420:36:45

She now set out to do something that no-one had ever done before...

0:36:510:36:55

..to try and find proteins - the building blocks of life.

0:36:590:37:04

She started with this T-rex bone cell.

0:37:090:37:11

If there was a chemical signature of ancient proteins,

0:37:120:37:15

it should be hidden away inside.

0:37:150:37:17

Because birds are descended from dinosaurs,

0:37:210:37:24

the chicken would be the key to this quest.

0:37:240:37:26

Mary took a classic tool of modern biology,

0:37:310:37:34

one that helps to identify proteins in chicken bones,

0:37:340:37:37

and she applied this same test to the T-rex soft tissue.

0:37:370:37:42

If there were no proteins in the cell,

0:37:550:37:57

the slide on the right would remain black.

0:37:570:38:00

Anything green would be a sign of life.

0:38:010:38:05

The green glow made palaeontological history.

0:38:170:38:21

It was very exciting, yes. I was very happy.

0:38:240:38:27

Very cool!

0:38:270:38:29

When it was first published in 2005,

0:38:450:38:48

this research wasn't universally accepted.

0:38:480:38:50

Some scientists said her samples might be contaminated.

0:38:530:38:56

Others were dismissive.

0:38:570:38:58

Because I was a middle-aged housewife from Bozeman, Montana -

0:39:000:39:03

I had no credentials at all.

0:39:030:39:05

And I think that...I think that came into play.

0:39:050:39:10

I know it came into play later.

0:39:100:39:13

Um...yeah.

0:39:130:39:16

I had a reviewer on one of my papers once say

0:39:160:39:19

that he didn't care what the data said, he knew it wasn't possible.

0:39:190:39:24

And for me, it's like, if you can't be convinced by data,

0:39:240:39:29

then how is this science?

0:39:290:39:31

But over the past decade,

0:39:350:39:36

her work at the North Carolina State University

0:39:360:39:39

is gaining acceptance.

0:39:390:39:41

She's ruled out the possibility of contamination

0:39:440:39:47

and painstakingly analysed other dinosaur bones.

0:39:470:39:51

And she's gone even further,

0:39:560:39:58

potentially turning Hollywood fantasy into scientific reality.

0:39:580:40:03

She's taken some of the cells from the 68 million-year-old soft T-rex tissue

0:40:040:40:10

and began to look for the impossible -

0:40:100:40:13

DNA.

0:40:130:40:15

You know what, if you have cells, if you have soft tissue,

0:40:200:40:24

if you have proteins,

0:40:240:40:27

why rule out DNA?

0:40:270:40:29

So she took a single T-rex bone cell and ran a series of chemical tests

0:40:350:40:40

using a classic DNA staining procedure.

0:40:400:40:42

If the DNA was present in the cell, it would show up in yellow.

0:40:490:40:53

And astonishingly,

0:41:010:41:02

it did.

0:41:020:41:04

You can see there's this little light point right here,

0:41:080:41:11

that's internal to the cell membrane - it's inside the cell.

0:41:110:41:14

It's very specific, a single point.

0:41:140:41:17

We have a visual signal of something that chemically reacts like DNA.

0:41:190:41:23

It looks like it, it acts like it, it smells like it, you know, yeah!

0:41:290:41:33

If I didn't tell you where those cells came from

0:41:360:41:38

but I told you the chemistry of what we did, you'd say, "Yeah. Yeah, so?

0:41:380:41:41

"It should be there. It's a bone cell, for Pete's sakes."

0:41:410:41:44

Now, if I tell you it's a dinosaur bone cell, all bets are off

0:41:540:41:58

because everyone knows that DNA can't persist for 65 million years.

0:41:580:42:03

I personally think that DNA is way more hardy

0:42:030:42:06

than people give it credit for.

0:42:060:42:08

But the challenge now is to try and sequence it.

0:42:140:42:17

This will allow her to see how the genes fit together

0:42:190:42:22

and figure out their exact biological function.

0:42:220:42:26

I don't believe that you should publish

0:42:300:42:32

if you just have one line of evidence.

0:42:320:42:34

Especially not something like this in a field full of controversy,

0:42:340:42:37

like ancient DNA. I want lots and lots of evidence.

0:42:370:42:41

And so if we were ever to get to the point where we could sequence it,

0:42:410:42:45

and that may be problematic for several reasons,

0:42:450:42:48

I want to be able to say,

0:42:480:42:50

"We've got the chemistry to back it up."

0:42:500:42:52

This is proving really difficult because the fragments of DNA she has

0:42:540:42:59

are very small and degraded.

0:42:590:43:01

So there's a lot more work still to do.

0:43:020:43:05

But there's one thing for sure -

0:43:060:43:08

this new approach to studying dinosaurs is set to continue.

0:43:080:43:12

There's a sort of a shift now to look at bones from the inside out.

0:43:130:43:20

Where people generally thought of bones as being really precious,

0:43:210:43:26

we're now realising that there's more information inside

0:43:260:43:30

than there is on the outside.

0:43:300:43:31

-This one?

-No.

0:43:310:43:33

Finding this material has recently become much more difficult.

0:43:330:43:37

This is Sue, the most complete T-rex ever discovered.

0:43:400:43:45

And the story of how this dinosaur ended up here in this room

0:43:490:43:52

takes us to the heart of why getting ancient biological material

0:43:520:43:56

is so problematic.

0:43:560:43:57

And I begin with a bid of 500,000.

0:44:000:44:03

Now bidding at 500,000, Now bidding at 500.

0:44:030:44:05

600,000. 700,000, now.

0:44:050:44:07

At 900,000, now bidding at 9.

0:44:070:44:09

At 900,000 now. Two bids at 1 million.

0:44:090:44:12

It all started in the auction room of Sotheby's in New York

0:44:120:44:15

when Sue was put up for sale.

0:44:150:44:17

5 million.

0:44:170:44:19

THE CROWD GASP

0:44:190:44:21

5.3 in a new place.

0:44:210:44:23

It fetched 7.6 million.

0:44:230:44:26

Seven million six hundred...

0:44:280:44:30

The Fields Museum, in Chicago, bought it.

0:44:480:44:51

And Sue, named after the woman who found her,

0:44:510:44:55

now occupies pride of place in the main exhibition room.

0:44:550:44:58

Suddenly, Sue's sale price sparked a dinosaur gold rush.

0:45:070:45:12

-Tell what you got.

-It's...

0:45:180:45:21

But the commercialisation of collecting is a major problem

0:45:210:45:25

for scientists like Mary Schweitzer and Jack Horner.

0:45:250:45:28

'When people are in the business of selling something,'

0:45:300:45:34

they're in the business of making as much money as they can.

0:45:340:45:38

And therefore, the specimen is all that matters.

0:45:380:45:41

So the specimen is what they're going to sell.

0:45:410:45:44

Wouldn't we just plan on, you know, taking that off

0:45:440:45:46

and leaving the thing in the jacket?

0:45:460:45:48

'The scientific data that comes with the specimen

0:45:480:45:51

'when it's in the ground is overhead.'

0:45:510:45:54

In other words, it costs them money to get it

0:45:540:45:59

and therefore they will make less if they get it.

0:45:590:46:02

Have you seen the other side of that pubis?

0:46:020:46:05

Is it good bone on the other side?

0:46:050:46:07

'So the problem is, is that, you know, when we want

0:46:070:46:10

'to study dinosaurs and learn about them as living animals,

0:46:100:46:13

'we have to have that data.'

0:46:130:46:15

And so a commercially collected dinosaur is useless to science.

0:46:150:46:20

The pressure from private collectors

0:46:310:46:33

has forced dinosaur scientists to scour the globe

0:46:330:46:36

in search of pristine fossils.

0:46:360:46:38

Preservation is of course the key for Mary.

0:46:450:46:48

And one of the most promising places she's found is here in Mongolia.

0:46:490:46:54

The evidence is locked away in a specially constructed building

0:46:560:46:59

in the middle of the main square of the nation's capital, Ulan Bator.

0:46:590:47:03

It's quite the specimen you found...

0:47:070:47:11

-Yeah.

-..brought back here.

-Yeah.

-It's home at last.

-Exactly.

0:47:110:47:15

-Mongolians are very happy to see the dinosaur.

-He's beautiful.

0:47:160:47:20

Occupying pride of place is a Tarbosaurus bataar,

0:47:230:47:27

an Asian relative of T-rex,

0:47:270:47:30

recently returned to the country after it was stolen.

0:47:300:47:33

Doctor Bolor Minjin, one of Mongolia's leading palaeontologists,

0:47:350:47:39

has invited Mary Schweitzer to see it in all its glory.

0:47:390:47:43

-It's amazing, the colour of the bones.

-Yeah.

0:47:450:47:48

That's very different than what we have back home.

0:47:480:47:51

All the pictures I've seen of Gobi bone show it like this, like white.

0:47:510:47:55

-Mm-hm.

-Not discoloured like we have back home.

-Oh, yeah.

0:47:550:47:59

-You know, T-rex is much darker colour.

-Yeah.

0:47:590:48:02

-Yeah, mahogany-coloured almost.

-Exactly. So it's much lighter.

-Mm-hm.

0:48:020:48:06

The bones usually take on the colour of the sediments that they're from.

0:48:060:48:11

-Right.

-And since this probably comes from more red sediment...

-Yes,

0:48:110:48:15

-a lot iron-rich.

-..and the colour is so white...

-Yeah.

0:48:150:48:20

..that's got to be because it's such a dry environment

0:48:200:48:23

that you don't have the transfer between the sediment and the bone...

0:48:230:48:27

-Yeah.

-..as much as you do back home.

0:48:270:48:28

I mean, that's an indicator that this might be really good

0:48:280:48:32

for preservation of organics.

0:48:320:48:33

But these bones are unfortunately useless to her.

0:48:360:48:39

Any organics that might lurk inside them

0:48:410:48:44

have been fatally compromised

0:48:440:48:45

because they were excavated by looters, not scientists.

0:48:450:48:49

To find the potentially well-preserved fossils she needs,

0:49:090:49:14

Mary is taken by Dr Minjin to the Gobi Desert.

0:49:140:49:17

This seemingly endless expanse of rough grass and sand

0:49:220:49:26

is a dinosaur hunter's El Dorado.

0:49:260:49:29

Out here is where the first fossilised nest of dinosaur eggs

0:49:410:49:45

was discovered.

0:49:450:49:46

And it's the first time ever that Dr Schweitzer's been here.

0:49:480:49:52

I feel incredibly lucky.

0:49:580:50:01

And I'm quite sure that most of my palaeo colleagues would be jealous.

0:50:010:50:05

Because Mongolia holds a special magic for palaeontology

0:50:050:50:11

as a community.

0:50:110:50:13

It's, you know, it's the place where dinosaurs

0:50:130:50:16

-first entered the public mindset.

-Right.

0:50:160:50:19

They were introduced to the American public, at least,

0:50:190:50:22

-from Mongolia, from right here.

-Mm-hm.

0:50:220:50:25

-Yeah.

-It's amazing.

0:50:260:50:27

And this is where they're heading...

0:50:320:50:34

..the place that's become the natural cathedral

0:50:360:50:38

of dinosaur hunting...

0:50:380:50:40

..the appropriately named Flaming Cliffs.

0:50:430:50:46

-Wow.

-Beautiful.

-It is so pretty.

-Yeah.

0:50:470:50:51

It is an incredible honour to be here. It's magic.

0:51:070:51:12

It's...hmm, I don't know.

0:51:120:51:16

It's like going to Rome if you're a Catholic

0:51:160:51:19

or going to Mecca if you're, you know, if you're a Muslim. It's...

0:51:190:51:24

If you're a palaeontologist,

0:51:240:51:26

this is one site that is in everyone's dreams.

0:51:260:51:29

This area is so rich in fossils

0:51:350:51:38

that they're virtually stumbling over ancient bones.

0:51:380:51:41

MARY SIGHS

0:51:450:51:47

-Hope there's something up here!

-I hope so.

0:51:470:51:51

-Make it all worthwhile.

-Yep.

0:51:510:51:53

Oh, look! Bolor.

0:51:530:51:56

-Bone!

-Oh, look at that.

-Look, and more over here.

0:51:560:51:59

That possibly looks like, kind of, skull. Could be.

0:51:590:52:03

-Really?

-Interesting shape.

-Right here, you're right!

0:52:030:52:05

-It does, see the way it bends?

-Yeah. Oh, wow.

0:52:050:52:09

-OK.

-I need to get all the sand out of my shoes.

0:52:090:52:12

-Oh, look.

-Speaking of bone!

-Yep!

0:52:140:52:18

Nice!

0:52:180:52:20

-Look at that.

-Yeah.

-Could be a jaw.

0:52:200:52:24

-This almost looks skullish.

-And look at this.

0:52:240:52:28

-That looks like a cross-section of a long bone.

-Yeah.

0:52:290:52:33

-Amazing it can persist for this long.

-Mm-hm.

0:52:330:52:36

So why are these fossilised bones so white and seemingly well-preserved?

0:52:410:52:45

The answer lies in the soil.

0:52:490:52:51

The Gobi has been a desert since the time of the dinosaurs.

0:52:530:52:57

It's been dry for more than 65 million years.

0:52:570:53:01

And that's potentially good news for Mary,

0:53:040:53:07

in her quest to find ancient organic material.

0:53:070:53:10

Scientists think that wet soil pushes out organics from the fossil.

0:53:150:53:19

The water effectively seeps through the bones,

0:53:230:53:25

flushing the cells as it goes.

0:53:250:53:27

And so if you have a very long protein,

0:53:310:53:33

like a whole collagen molecule or a whole haemoglobin molecule,

0:53:330:53:37

you put it in a wet environment and it gets broken up into little chunks.

0:53:370:53:41

And of course the chunks

0:53:410:53:42

are a lot easier to move away from muscle or from bone

0:53:420:53:45

and into the environment, where they're lost for ever.

0:53:450:53:48

In theory, if it's dry, the bone proteins, molecules

0:53:490:53:53

and even possibly DNA should be better preserved.

0:53:530:53:58

We think dry is good for preservation.

0:54:000:54:02

A lot of the incredibly preserved mummies from Peru,

0:54:020:54:06

they are preserved with their skin intact,

0:54:060:54:09

the colour intact, the clothing intact

0:54:090:54:11

because it's dry.

0:54:110:54:12

I didn't see any at work...

0:54:120:54:14

The problem is that around here, fossils are so easy to find.

0:54:140:54:19

Now that might not seem like an obstacle but it is.

0:54:210:54:24

It seems like if we saw it that easily,

0:54:260:54:29

other people would too.

0:54:290:54:31

-Yeah, the colour - it's very white.

-It's very white.

0:54:310:54:34

-I've never seen that.

-And they're a distinct shape.

-Yeah.

0:54:340:54:37

You know, shape is the thing people really easily pick up.

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And if you know... if you're here to find bone

0:54:420:54:44

-and you know anything at all about it...

-Yeah.

0:54:440:54:46

-Yeah.

-Hmm.

0:54:460:54:48

INDISTINCT CHATTER

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Not surprisingly, then,

0:54:540:54:56

there has been a spate of fossil looting at this historic site.

0:54:560:55:00

Oh, look at that.

0:55:000:55:01

Looks very suspicious! Something...

0:55:030:55:06

And the looters rarely take the trouble to cover their tracks.

0:55:060:55:10

This is not good.

0:55:100:55:11

-Who would leave something like that here?

-Yeah.

-What the heck is it?

0:55:110:55:15

Strange bits of plastic, sometimes used as markers for a site,

0:55:150:55:19

are scattered around these cliffs.

0:55:190:55:21

Look.

0:55:230:55:24

Oh, my gosh.

0:55:250:55:27

Other clues include general litter,

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like these discarded plastic bottles.

0:55:290:55:33

-Wow, long day. Huh?

-Yeah!

0:55:330:55:36

Sun is going down very soon.

0:55:360:55:39

It all leads to the inevitable discovery

0:55:400:55:43

of a tell-tale hole in the ground.

0:55:430:55:46

Oh, look at here.

0:55:460:55:48

-Yeah, that looks kind of weird.

-This is clearly excavation.

0:55:490:55:52

-Right there, see the sharp line?

-Yeah.

0:55:520:55:55

-That's exactly. Look at how perfect, you know?

-Yeah.

-This is not natural.

0:55:550:55:59

-Could have been something available for science.

-Yeah.

0:55:590:56:02

-So this is what's happening here.

-See the thing is, you know,

0:56:020:56:05

when somebody takes something out of context like this, it's lost.

0:56:050:56:08

-It's valueless.

-Exactly....

0:56:080:56:09

It might look pretty but you might as well go get a coffee table book.

0:56:090:56:12

-Yeah.

-It just... It's just not right.

0:56:120:56:16

But things are changing here in Mongolia.

0:56:340:56:37

The government is now planning

0:56:400:56:41

to take much firmer action against the looters.

0:56:410:56:44

And Mary has her own plan to help combat the problem.

0:56:460:56:49

She's setting up a project with Bolor to mount a dig in the Gobi

0:56:490:56:52

using all the techniques she's helped to pioneer.

0:56:520:56:55

The fossil record is always surprising us

0:57:010:57:04

with things that we said couldn't be preserved.

0:57:040:57:06

Why not look a little deeper now that we have new technologies

0:57:080:57:11

and maybe what we've said all along that couldn't last this long

0:57:110:57:14

maybe does.

0:57:140:57:16

And her ground-breaking work -

0:57:170:57:19

the discovery of cells...

0:57:190:57:20

..proteins...

0:57:220:57:24

..and even possibly DNA...

0:57:250:57:27

..is pioneering a new era in our understanding of dinosaurs.

0:57:290:57:33

But even if she was able to find dinosaur DNA

0:57:400:57:44

out here in the wilds of the Gobi,

0:57:440:57:47

we might have to wait a very long time for a Hollywood ending.

0:57:470:57:51

You know, if you want to build a dinosaur

0:57:560:57:59

out of DNA you pull from a dinosaur bone,

0:57:590:58:02

there are so many things that you have to answer.

0:58:020:58:05

You know, you might get little chunks of DNA,

0:58:050:58:08

maybe you might even get the whole genome.

0:58:080:58:10

But it's going to be fragmented,

0:58:100:58:12

it's going to be split up, it's going to be broken.

0:58:120:58:14

So how are you going to piece it together in the right order?

0:58:150:58:18

Because if you get chromosomes and genes in the wrong order,

0:58:180:58:20

you're toast.

0:58:200:58:21

It may not possible to bring a dinosaur back to life

0:58:250:58:29

but Mary's bringing them closer to us than ever before.

0:58:290:58:32

And the well-preserved remains

0:58:350:58:37

which lie buried beneath these Flaming Cliffs

0:58:370:58:40

might allow her to put even more flesh on the bones

0:58:400:58:43

of the most fearsome and forbidding creatures ever to walk the earth.

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