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For 100 million years, dinosaurs dominated the Earth. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
But they remain enigmatic creatures. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
That's because all that scientists had to work with | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
were fossilized bones. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Ah! Woo! | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
But now, the seemingly impossible has been discovered... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
-Oh, look! -Yeah. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
..signs of life inside these long-dead skeletons. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
It opened the door to the possibility | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
that we could begin to understand dinosaurs in a different way. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
For the first time, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
they've been able to look at the blood of a T-rex... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
..touch 68 million-year-old soft tissue... | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
It was, you know, goosebump-inducing - | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
just about everything that we saw. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
And Dr Mary Schweitzer may be on the verge | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
of turning Hollywood fantasy into scientific reality... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
..finding dinosaur DNA. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
It looks like it, it acts like it, it smells like it. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
You know what, if you have cells, if you have soft tissue, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
if you have proteins, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
why rule out DNA? | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
For the past few decades, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
dinosaur hunters have been drawn to the American West. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
It's pretty much Dr Mary Schweitzer's back yard. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
She lives for part of the year in the Rocky Mountain state of Montana, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
where some of the richest dinosaur remains have been uncovered. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
A lot of dinosaurs lived in this area because just to the East of us, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
in Eastern Montana, North and South Dakota, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
was a big, shallow, warm inland sea. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
And so the dinosaurs would follow the seaway, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
migrating up and down, North and South, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
so there was a lot of them here. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
More T-rexes have been found here in Montana | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
than anywhere else in the world. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
But we know very little about the world's most iconic dinosaur... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
..apart from a few very simple facts, like it was 12m long | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
and could weigh seven tonnes. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
That's a good boy. Come on. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
There you go. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
And that's because, according to Dr Schweitzer, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
the male-dominated world of dinosaur science | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
tends to ask the wrong questions. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
I think for men a lot of it is, "Can we quantify it?" | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
You know - bigger teeth, meaner animal. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
And I think for women, we're... | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
I can't say that it's all that way | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
but I think mostly we ask different questions. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
We ask, "How did they function? What was their biology?" | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Ah! Woo! | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Today, she isn't riding the range in search of another T-rex. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
She's hunting more recent remains that might help to reveal | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
some of the hidden secrets of the world's best-known dinosaur. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
And that's because she's interested in how | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
the once-living tissue of this dead buffalo | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
decays and gets broken down over time. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
In palaeontology, we can't watch our dinosaurs die. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
And we can't see what's going to happen to them. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
But we know that obviously, if all we have is a skeleton, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
we don't have the whole dinosaur. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
There's a lot of information missing. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
But again, when you see parts in the fossil record... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
this is skin right there. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
That has a high preservation potential | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
and it's because of the molecular make-up of the skin itself. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
The guts are gone, the intestines are gone. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
But the skin and the cartilage, the bone and the teeth | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
are what remain. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
Good boy. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:17 | |
Your buddies are jealous, huh? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
It's long been Mary's dream to do this | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
with a 65 million-year-old fossil. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
To be able to get her hands on blood, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
soft tissue and even the DNA of a T-rex. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
Come on, play with me. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
It might seem an impossible task | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
but she believes that finding signs of life, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
uncovering ancient biology, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
is the only way to put flesh on the bones | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
of the most iconic creatures ever to stalk the Earth. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
I mean, a lot of the things that have been done in the past, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
with respect to dinosaurs, have been untestable hypotheses. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
I mean, really, you could say dinosaurs were invisible and green | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
and how would I prove you wrong? There's no data. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
I love the way they smell. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
'So I think that getting at some of these questions | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
'about how their proteins are put together | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
'can get us at their function, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
'get us at why they had an evolutionary advantage.' | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
And if we can understand that, there's a lot we can learn from them. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
You're falling asleep! Look at, those eyes are starting to get shut. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Imagine trying to figure out how a horse might look, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
just from its skeleton. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
Without the biology - the cells, protein and DNA... | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
..we couldn't tell what colour its eyes were... | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
..how far it could see... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
..the way it smelt... | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
..the texture of its coat... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
..the make and shape of its muscles. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Without its biology, the horse just isn't a horse. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
But most palaeontologists believed that finding any biological material | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
in 65 million-year-old dinosaur bones | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
was impossible. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
And that's because it was thought that the process of fossilisation | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
destroyed every living thing in the bone. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Once the dead animal is covered in sand or mud, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
the fleshy parts then decay. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
And the mineral and organic elements of the bone | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
are replaced by the minerals in the soil. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
In essence, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
they get turned to stone. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
But what if this wasn't the case? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
What if some of this biological material was still with us? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
The only way to find out | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
would be to look inside the bones... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
..to conduct a dinosaur autopsy. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
And that's exactly what's going on here. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
A dinosaur leg bone is being cut up for analysis... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
..in a process known as histology. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
The bone then needs to be carved into thin slices... | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
..and embedded in plastic so it can be examined under a microscope. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
It's a bit like cutting down a tree and looking at the rings. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
They reveal how fast or slowly the tree grew. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
And you can see the same kind of pattern in dinosaur bones. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Is this the first femur? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
It was pioneered by Mary's mentor and the world's leading dinosaur scientist, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Dr Jack Horner. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Let's say that section. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
'Looking at the bone histology of dinosaurs' | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
and looking at babies and juveniles and some adults, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
we've learned that | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
when baby dinosaurs hatched out of their eggs, they grew really fast. | 0:10:54 | 0:11:01 | |
Do you know what side it is yet? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
'They had sustained high growth periods.' | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
'If you hatch out of the egg at a half a metre long,' | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
you're not very big. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
And if you're going to grow to the size of a house, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
you'd better get busy. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
And that's all I can say | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
because the longer you are small, the longer you're vulnerable. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
Mary started out as Jack's student. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
And back in 1991, he gave her pieces of a T-rex leg bone to analyse. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
At first, there appeared to be nothing out of the ordinary | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
about this bone. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
But THIS bone turned out to be rather special. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Because what she was looking at, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
when she placed the slide under the microscope, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
had never been seen before. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
Staring back at her was something that shouldn't have been there. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
It looked like a red blood cell. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
And its chemical composition included a heme - | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
a part of haemoglobin which helps carry oxygen in blood | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
and gives it its red colour. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
MARY: I was shocked, I was really surprised. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
The thing that was cool about it is we know very little, really, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
about these beasts that once walked on the surface of our planet. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
And all vertebrate organisms except, well, almost all, | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
except for mammals, have nucleated red blood cells. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
And these things that I was seeing in the vessel channels of the bone | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
were nucleated. They were translucent red with a dark centre. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
This evidence seemed to suggest that organic matter could in some way | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
survive the process of fossilisation. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
And what was so exciting about it... | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
..is that the new tools and technology of molecular biology | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
might now be used to understand these long-vanished creatures. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
'It opened the door to the possibility that we could begin to understand | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
'the function and the physiology of dinosaurs in a different way. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
If we could get at the elemental molecular structure, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
that's where the real evolutionary information is housed. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
And so being able to recover those things from a dinosaur | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
would open the door to understanding them at a completely different level. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
She now set out to look for other evidence. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
That's if there was anything else to recover. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
Mary's new techniques now started to play into | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
one of the most long-standing questions in palaeontology. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Just what kind of creatures were dinosaurs? | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
For decades, scientists relied on unearthing clues from the bones - | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
the anatomy. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
And for the people who invented palaeontology in the 19th century... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
..the bones they saw mostly looked like giant lizards. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
It wasn't just the size of the bones - they're obviously colossal. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
It was the teeth that really helped them understand | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
what sort of creatures dinosaurs were. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
-DR HORNER: -The teeth that they were finding were very similar, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
or at least somewhat similar, to lizards. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
And in particular, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
one was particularly close to an iguana lizard. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
And so they didn't have much of the skeleton of the dinosaur | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
but they knew what an iguana lizard looks like | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
and an iguana lizard is a reptile. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
But for modern scientists, the teeth are now seen as a distraction. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
A more comprehensive analysis of their skeletons | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
suggests they're not related to lizards, but birds. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
And there's one bone in particular, familiar from the dinner table, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
that's helped to prove the case. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
It's a very special bone called the furcula. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
And the furcula we find in meat-eating dinosaurs | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
is otherwise known as the wishbone. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
And so when we think about what characteristics define a bird - | 0:17:05 | 0:17:11 | |
the wishbone, hollow bones, feathers, hard-shelled eggs, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:18 | |
I mean, there's a whole list of them. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
And what's interesting is, through the ages we've discovered | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
that dinosaurs actually invented all of those characteristics. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
Dinosaurs had all of those characteristics... | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
..those that we consider bird characteristics. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
Anatomy has helped to establish the size, weight, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
even the strength of dinosaurs. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
But on questions of their bird-like biology - | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
the colour of their skin, whether they were warm- or cold-blooded, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
even how they evolved - | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
the bones are silent. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:19 | |
Making them talk would require luck, skill | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
and knowing the right people. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
This is Bob Harmon. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
For decades, he's worked closely with Jack Horner. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
And he's something of a legend in palaeontology. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
He has a special gift for sniffing out fossils. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
And back in 2000, there was something about the lay of the land | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
in the Hell's Creek area of Montana that looked promising. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
One day, I came to this one area, kind of a box canyon type area, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
and I actually sat down to eat my lunch | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
and figure out how to get up to this next cliff I was going to look at. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
So I was eating lunch, turned around, looked, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
and here's a bleached-out white bone sticking out of the cliff. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
So... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
And then I got to looking a little farther and I could see it, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
the cross-section of a tyrannosaur vertebrate. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
It has a very distinct shape, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
something we look for when we're out prospecting. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
It's a honeycomb shape. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
So when you see that, you get all excited | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
cos it's probably a T-rex. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
You know, heart started beating pretty good | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
and then I start looking up and up and up | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
at 50 feet of rock sitting on top of this bone. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
And pretty much just went, "My God, what have I done?" You know? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
That's because he knew he'd have to remove | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
all of that 50 foot of rock to get at the fossil. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
It took them nearly three years' careful digging | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
to extricate the whole skeleton. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
But there was another problem. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
The area was so remote - there were no roads in or out - | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
that every single piece of it had to be choppered out. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
But one of the bones, a femur, was just too big to carry. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
And Bob had to do something he really didn't want to. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
I said, "Jeez, we are going to have to break this thing in half." | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
And tyrannosaur bone does not break well. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
I mean, it's so dense, you know, it's hollow in the middle | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
then it just shatters like glass when you break it. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
-So I knew it was going to be bad. -HE LAUGHS | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
But I said, "OK. I don't think we have any choice. Let's just do it." | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
So we broke it in half and it shattered all over. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
The bones get removed with the soil surrounding them. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
It's what the scientists call context. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
They still don't really know why but the Hell's Creek soil | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
seems to have special preservation properties. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
And when some of these Hell's Creek bones are cracked open, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
there's something about them that marks them out as different. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
And it's got nothing to do with how they look. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
-JACK: -In many bones that are broken up, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
we do have a very biological smell. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Kind of a...almost like oil or rotting something. Um... | 0:22:23 | 0:22:29 | |
And, you know, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
it was certainly weird back in the days before we knew | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
what it possibly was. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
As it turned out, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
this smell was a clue to what lay within the bones. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
This was just the kind of material | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Mary Schweitzer wanted to get her hands on. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
But it wasn't the smell of the fragments of T-rex femur | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
that Jack sent her that set her pulse racing. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
It was how they looked. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:22 | |
T-rex bones might appear solid but they're not. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
They are in fact hollow. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
But when she peered through the microscope, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
she saw something that shouldn't have been there. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
And this is it. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
The yellow area should have been hollow. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
The fossilised bone on the outside, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
which is all that remains of cortical bone, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
was all she expected to find. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
This tissue right here is what most dinosaur bone looks like. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
Everybody has this. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
This tissue right here had not been seen before. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
She saw what appeared to be a group of specialised cells. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
And these cells were utterly unique. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
They're only found in birds. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
And they use this tissue to make eggs. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
And that could only mean one thing. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
And I looked at it and I held it in my hand | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
and I said to my technician, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
"Oh, my gosh, this is a girl and it's pregnant." | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
If Mary really was looking at the bones of a pregnant T-rex, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
it'd be a first in palaeontology. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
But the microscope slide on its own wasn't enough. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
MARY: I love her wings from the back. Can you get that picture? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
MARY GIGGLES | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Ow! | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
To be sure, she needed to compare it with the medullary bone | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
from one of the most primitive birds still alive - | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
the ostrich. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
Its evolutionary history can be traced back 23 million years. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
So just how does an ostrich compare with a dinosaur? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
I am in love. Look at this. Look at her wing. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Can you see how the feather's attached to the skin? | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
Look at, their arms are like T-rex... | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
..with skin on. They're short, little, stubby things. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
But you see how the feathers are inserting into the skin like that? | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Do we have any more grapes? | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
The problem was that she couldn't do the test | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
on a living pregnant ostrich. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
She needed a dead one. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
So she put out a plea for help | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
and fortunately a local ostrich farmer answered the call. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
He had a pregnant bird | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
but it had been dead for over a week. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
I could definitely smell it before I could see it. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
It was all, you know, bloated from death and... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
..you touched the stomach and it kind of went "goosh!" | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
It was so gross and it was really smelly. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
So I sawed the leg off | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
and tasted really rotten ostrich meat for about two weeks after that, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
in my mouth. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:55 | |
But it was really gross and he had a whole bunch more ostriches | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
so they were all kind of standing around me in a circle, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
watching as I dismembered their friend | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
and I felt a little weird about that. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
Holding her nose, she took the bone back into the lab | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
and placed it under a microscope. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
And what she saw was ground-breaking. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
The pregnant ostrich had medullary bone | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
and in exactly the same position as the pregnant T-rex. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
It was really cool that we had a pregnant dinosaur | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
but this had been predicted and it was just verifying that, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
you know, if birds and dinosaurs | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
were as closely related as we had been thinking, as a field, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
it should have been there. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
It was the first time that anyone had ever been able | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
to establish the sex of a dinosaur. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
And it confirmed the importance | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
of trying to understand the biology of these ancient creatures. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
MARY: I couldn't believe it. It was, you know, it was just a gift. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
In my kind of palaeontology, everybody's eyes glass over. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
If you want to go to a talk on palaeontology | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
you think field pictures and badlands and really pretty...dinosaurs. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:39 | |
And I study under the microscope. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
So this was exciting in that I thought, "Well, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
"maybe this is the time I can really contribute to the field | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
"in a way that my colleagues will understand and care about." | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Rather than just letting Mary do her own weird thing! | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
So, yeah, I was excited. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
One of the first implications of her work | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
was to make the biological case that dinosaurs were indeed birds. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
MARY: They're so fun! | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
See their feet? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
And Mary, along with other scientists, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
has been figuring out what this might mean | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
for how we see these iconic animals. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
He's so pretty. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:27 | |
For a start, it would be difficult to read their expressions. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Well, if you notice their skulls, their head, it's just... | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
skin stretched over the bone. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
And so they don't have the muscles, they don't have the additional fat. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
And that's what gives animals expression like your dog | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
that looks at you with the cocked head and the ears | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
and the little furrow in its brow. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
These guys aren't capable of doing that. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
They don't convey any emotion at all. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
And if you look directly in his eye, it almost looks dead. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
That's what they might look like in a one-on-one | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
but what about collectively, when they're all gathered together? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
-DR HORNER: -I think that when we're imagining dinosaurs on a plain, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
we have to really think of them like flocks of birds, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
walking and then shifting and then, you know, I mean just, you know, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
Not just mulling around like mammals do. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
I mean, mammals are just sort of mulling around. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
Birds, you know, really have some, you know, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
some overall shape to their groups. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
I mean, they all are travelling in one area and then they shift | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
and, I mean, it's just very different. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
And what about the best-known dinosaur of all, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
T-rex? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
What kind of bird was it? | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
So, if we think about Tyrannosaurus with its bone-crushing teeth, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
I envision it to be much like a vulture. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
And when you think about a big vulture eating carcasses, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
they're nasty. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
He wants to eat me for lunch. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:27 | |
SHE SHRIEKS | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
That was my Velociraptor experience. That's as close as I want to have. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
Look at, there he goes again. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:48 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
I think there would be no hesitation, no pulling back. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
And I think once they decide they want you for lunch, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
you might as well just give up. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
Ooh! | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
All this started to show that her work, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
hunting for organic matter within ancient fossils, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
had the potential to really transform our understanding | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
of dinosaurs. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:17 | |
The next step, the most important one, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
came from re-examining the basics of bone biology. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
Bone is a composite. It's like plywood. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
It has a hard part, which is the minerals that make up bone, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
and it has a soft part, which is the collagen. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
So bone is both protein and it's mineral. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
And when you put the two together, it gives it great strength. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
But it is alive and the cells that are part of bone maintain it | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
and they give it nutrients | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
and they continue to just maintain the bone as living structure. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
Take away the mineral element of this chicken bone | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
by sticking it in an acid bath and all you're left with | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
is the bendy, flexible, collagen, protein part. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
So Mary wondered, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
could you find that organic material in a T-rex fossil? | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
We have always assumed that all of the organics go away. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
And so what you're left with is basically a mineral morph. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
And it's got lots of holes in it where the protein used to sit, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
where the blood vessels used to run | 0:33:30 | 0:33:31 | |
and the little houses where the bone cells are, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
that's all empty now. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
So, I mean, if we're right about that process | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
then if you remove the mineral, you should have nothing left. Right? | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Because the organics are already gone. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
So she set up a deceptively simple experiment. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
She dropped the T-rex fossil, packed full of medullary bone, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
in an acid bath... | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
..and left it overnight. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
When her assistant came back to check in the morning, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
something remarkable had happened. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Something that didn't seem possible. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
The process went faster than either of us predicted. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
And so when she went to stop it by taking the piece of medullary bone | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
and putting it in water, she went to pick it up with her tweezers | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
and it went like that... | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
And she called me immediately and said, "Something's really wrong." | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
And, you know, I mean, I had the same expectation as anyone else - | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
if you dissolve away your dinosaur bone, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
you're going to have nothing left. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
But we did. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:54 | |
And this is what it looked like under a microscope. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
In a sense, she was able to reach back through 68 million years | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
and touch a dinosaur. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
And not just any dinosaur - | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
this was a soft, pliable piece of a T-rex. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
So, we saw this, where basically this is the medullary bone | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
with the mineral removed. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
And you can see...see the blood vessels inside the bone? | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
They stretch with the matrix themselves. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
This was really hard to hang on to! | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
But there you go, you see it stretch? | 0:35:52 | 0:35:53 | |
This was a combination of my absolute worst nightmare and Christmas, | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
every day in the lab for about a month. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
I couldn't wait to get to work | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
but I was scared to death at what had happened overnight. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Um...it was, you know, goosebump-inducing - | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
just about everything that we saw. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
It was... | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
I can't even explain it | 0:36:17 | 0:36:18 | |
and I know I'll never have that experience again | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
but it was magic - just magic. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
Finding the soft tissue | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
opened the door to a new world of possibilities. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
She now set out to do something that no-one had ever done before... | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
..to try and find proteins - the building blocks of life. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
She started with this T-rex bone cell. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
If there was a chemical signature of ancient proteins, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
it should be hidden away inside. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
Because birds are descended from dinosaurs, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
the chicken would be the key to this quest. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Mary took a classic tool of modern biology, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
one that helps to identify proteins in chicken bones, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
and she applied this same test to the T-rex soft tissue. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
If there were no proteins in the cell, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
the slide on the right would remain black. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Anything green would be a sign of life. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
The green glow made palaeontological history. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
It was very exciting, yes. I was very happy. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Very cool! | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
When it was first published in 2005, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
this research wasn't universally accepted. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
Some scientists said her samples might be contaminated. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Others were dismissive. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:58 | |
Because I was a middle-aged housewife from Bozeman, Montana - | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
I had no credentials at all. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
And I think that...I think that came into play. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
I know it came into play later. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
Um...yeah. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
I had a reviewer on one of my papers once say | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
that he didn't care what the data said, he knew it wasn't possible. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
And for me, it's like, if you can't be convinced by data, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
then how is this science? | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
But over the past decade, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:36 | |
her work at the North Carolina State University | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
is gaining acceptance. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
She's ruled out the possibility of contamination | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
and painstakingly analysed other dinosaur bones. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
And she's gone even further, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
potentially turning Hollywood fantasy into scientific reality. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
She's taken some of the cells from the 68 million-year-old soft T-rex tissue | 0:40:04 | 0:40:10 | |
and began to look for the impossible - | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
DNA. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
You know what, if you have cells, if you have soft tissue, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
if you have proteins, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
why rule out DNA? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
So she took a single T-rex bone cell and ran a series of chemical tests | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
using a classic DNA staining procedure. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
If the DNA was present in the cell, it would show up in yellow. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
And astonishingly, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
it did. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
You can see there's this little light point right here, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
that's internal to the cell membrane - it's inside the cell. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
It's very specific, a single point. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
We have a visual signal of something that chemically reacts like DNA. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
It looks like it, it acts like it, it smells like it, you know, yeah! | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
If I didn't tell you where those cells came from | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
but I told you the chemistry of what we did, you'd say, "Yeah. Yeah, so? | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
"It should be there. It's a bone cell, for Pete's sakes." | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
Now, if I tell you it's a dinosaur bone cell, all bets are off | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
because everyone knows that DNA can't persist for 65 million years. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:03 | |
I personally think that DNA is way more hardy | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
than people give it credit for. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
But the challenge now is to try and sequence it. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
This will allow her to see how the genes fit together | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
and figure out their exact biological function. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
I don't believe that you should publish | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
if you just have one line of evidence. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
Especially not something like this in a field full of controversy, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
like ancient DNA. I want lots and lots of evidence. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
And so if we were ever to get to the point where we could sequence it, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
and that may be problematic for several reasons, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
I want to be able to say, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
"We've got the chemistry to back it up." | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
This is proving really difficult because the fragments of DNA she has | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
are very small and degraded. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
So there's a lot more work still to do. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
But there's one thing for sure - | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
this new approach to studying dinosaurs is set to continue. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
There's a sort of a shift now to look at bones from the inside out. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:20 | |
Where people generally thought of bones as being really precious, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
we're now realising that there's more information inside | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
than there is on the outside. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:31 | |
-This one? -No. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
Finding this material has recently become much more difficult. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
This is Sue, the most complete T-rex ever discovered. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:45 | |
And the story of how this dinosaur ended up here in this room | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
takes us to the heart of why getting ancient biological material | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
is so problematic. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
And I begin with a bid of 500,000. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
Now bidding at 500,000, Now bidding at 500. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
600,000. 700,000, now. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
At 900,000, now bidding at 9. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
At 900,000 now. Two bids at 1 million. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
It all started in the auction room of Sotheby's in New York | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
when Sue was put up for sale. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
5 million. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
THE CROWD GASP | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
5.3 in a new place. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
It fetched 7.6 million. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Seven million six hundred... | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
The Fields Museum, in Chicago, bought it. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
And Sue, named after the woman who found her, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
now occupies pride of place in the main exhibition room. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
Suddenly, Sue's sale price sparked a dinosaur gold rush. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
-Tell what you got. -It's... | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
But the commercialisation of collecting is a major problem | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
for scientists like Mary Schweitzer and Jack Horner. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
'When people are in the business of selling something,' | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
they're in the business of making as much money as they can. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
And therefore, the specimen is all that matters. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
So the specimen is what they're going to sell. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
Wouldn't we just plan on, you know, taking that off | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
and leaving the thing in the jacket? | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
'The scientific data that comes with the specimen | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
'when it's in the ground is overhead.' | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
In other words, it costs them money to get it | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
and therefore they will make less if they get it. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
Have you seen the other side of that pubis? | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
Is it good bone on the other side? | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
'So the problem is, is that, you know, when we want | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
'to study dinosaurs and learn about them as living animals, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
'we have to have that data.' | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
And so a commercially collected dinosaur is useless to science. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
The pressure from private collectors | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
has forced dinosaur scientists to scour the globe | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
in search of pristine fossils. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
Preservation is of course the key for Mary. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
And one of the most promising places she's found is here in Mongolia. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:54 | |
The evidence is locked away in a specially constructed building | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
in the middle of the main square of the nation's capital, Ulan Bator. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
It's quite the specimen you found... | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
-Yeah. -..brought back here. -Yeah. -It's home at last. -Exactly. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
-Mongolians are very happy to see the dinosaur. -He's beautiful. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
Occupying pride of place is a Tarbosaurus bataar, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
an Asian relative of T-rex, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
recently returned to the country after it was stolen. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
Doctor Bolor Minjin, one of Mongolia's leading palaeontologists, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
has invited Mary Schweitzer to see it in all its glory. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
-It's amazing, the colour of the bones. -Yeah. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
That's very different than what we have back home. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
All the pictures I've seen of Gobi bone show it like this, like white. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
-Mm-hm. -Not discoloured like we have back home. -Oh, yeah. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
-You know, T-rex is much darker colour. -Yeah. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
-Yeah, mahogany-coloured almost. -Exactly. So it's much lighter. -Mm-hm. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
The bones usually take on the colour of the sediments that they're from. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:11 | |
-Right. -And since this probably comes from more red sediment... -Yes, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
-a lot iron-rich. -..and the colour is so white... -Yeah. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
..that's got to be because it's such a dry environment | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
that you don't have the transfer between the sediment and the bone... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
-Yeah. -..as much as you do back home. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:28 | |
I mean, that's an indicator that this might be really good | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
for preservation of organics. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:33 | |
But these bones are unfortunately useless to her. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Any organics that might lurk inside them | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
have been fatally compromised | 0:48:44 | 0:48:45 | |
because they were excavated by looters, not scientists. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
To find the potentially well-preserved fossils she needs, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:14 | |
Mary is taken by Dr Minjin to the Gobi Desert. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
This seemingly endless expanse of rough grass and sand | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
is a dinosaur hunter's El Dorado. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
Out here is where the first fossilised nest of dinosaur eggs | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
was discovered. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:46 | |
And it's the first time ever that Dr Schweitzer's been here. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
I feel incredibly lucky. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
And I'm quite sure that most of my palaeo colleagues would be jealous. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
Because Mongolia holds a special magic for palaeontology | 0:50:05 | 0:50:11 | |
as a community. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
It's, you know, it's the place where dinosaurs | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
-first entered the public mindset. -Right. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
They were introduced to the American public, at least, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
-from Mongolia, from right here. -Mm-hm. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
-Yeah. -It's amazing. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:27 | |
And this is where they're heading... | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
..the place that's become the natural cathedral | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
of dinosaur hunting... | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
..the appropriately named Flaming Cliffs. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
-Wow. -Beautiful. -It is so pretty. -Yeah. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
It is an incredible honour to be here. It's magic. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
It's...hmm, I don't know. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
It's like going to Rome if you're a Catholic | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
or going to Mecca if you're, you know, if you're a Muslim. It's... | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
If you're a palaeontologist, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
this is one site that is in everyone's dreams. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
This area is so rich in fossils | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
that they're virtually stumbling over ancient bones. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
MARY SIGHS | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
-Hope there's something up here! -I hope so. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
-Make it all worthwhile. -Yep. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
Oh, look! Bolor. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
-Bone! -Oh, look at that. -Look, and more over here. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
That possibly looks like, kind of, skull. Could be. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
-Really? -Interesting shape. -Right here, you're right! | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
-It does, see the way it bends? -Yeah. Oh, wow. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
-OK. -I need to get all the sand out of my shoes. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
-Oh, look. -Speaking of bone! -Yep! | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
Nice! | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
-Look at that. -Yeah. -Could be a jaw. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
-This almost looks skullish. -And look at this. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
-That looks like a cross-section of a long bone. -Yeah. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
-Amazing it can persist for this long. -Mm-hm. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
So why are these fossilised bones so white and seemingly well-preserved? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
The answer lies in the soil. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
The Gobi has been a desert since the time of the dinosaurs. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
It's been dry for more than 65 million years. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
And that's potentially good news for Mary, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
in her quest to find ancient organic material. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
Scientists think that wet soil pushes out organics from the fossil. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
The water effectively seeps through the bones, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
flushing the cells as it goes. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
And so if you have a very long protein, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
like a whole collagen molecule or a whole haemoglobin molecule, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
you put it in a wet environment and it gets broken up into little chunks. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
And of course the chunks | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
are a lot easier to move away from muscle or from bone | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
and into the environment, where they're lost for ever. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
In theory, if it's dry, the bone proteins, molecules | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
and even possibly DNA should be better preserved. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
We think dry is good for preservation. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
A lot of the incredibly preserved mummies from Peru, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
they are preserved with their skin intact, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
the colour intact, the clothing intact | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
because it's dry. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:12 | |
I didn't see any at work... | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
The problem is that around here, fossils are so easy to find. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:19 | |
Now that might not seem like an obstacle but it is. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
It seems like if we saw it that easily, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
other people would too. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
-Yeah, the colour - it's very white. -It's very white. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
-I've never seen that. -And they're a distinct shape. -Yeah. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
You know, shape is the thing people really easily pick up. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
And if you know... if you're here to find bone | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
-and you know anything at all about it... -Yeah. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
-Yeah. -Hmm. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
Not surprisingly, then, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
there has been a spate of fossil looting at this historic site. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
Oh, look at that. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:01 | |
Looks very suspicious! Something... | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
And the looters rarely take the trouble to cover their tracks. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
This is not good. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:11 | |
-Who would leave something like that here? -Yeah. -What the heck is it? | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
Strange bits of plastic, sometimes used as markers for a site, | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
are scattered around these cliffs. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
Look. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:24 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
Other clues include general litter, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
like these discarded plastic bottles. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
-Wow, long day. Huh? -Yeah! | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Sun is going down very soon. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
It all leads to the inevitable discovery | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
of a tell-tale hole in the ground. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Oh, look at here. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
-Yeah, that looks kind of weird. -This is clearly excavation. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
-Right there, see the sharp line? -Yeah. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
-That's exactly. Look at how perfect, you know? -Yeah. -This is not natural. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
-Could have been something available for science. -Yeah. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
-So this is what's happening here. -See the thing is, you know, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
when somebody takes something out of context like this, it's lost. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
-It's valueless. -Exactly.... | 0:56:08 | 0:56:09 | |
It might look pretty but you might as well go get a coffee table book. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
-Yeah. -It just... It's just not right. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
But things are changing here in Mongolia. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
The government is now planning | 0:56:40 | 0:56:41 | |
to take much firmer action against the looters. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
And Mary has her own plan to help combat the problem. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
She's setting up a project with Bolor to mount a dig in the Gobi | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
using all the techniques she's helped to pioneer. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
The fossil record is always surprising us | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
with things that we said couldn't be preserved. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
Why not look a little deeper now that we have new technologies | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
and maybe what we've said all along that couldn't last this long | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
maybe does. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
And her ground-breaking work - | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
the discovery of cells... | 0:57:19 | 0:57:20 | |
..proteins... | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
..and even possibly DNA... | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
..is pioneering a new era in our understanding of dinosaurs. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
But even if she was able to find dinosaur DNA | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
out here in the wilds of the Gobi, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
we might have to wait a very long time for a Hollywood ending. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
You know, if you want to build a dinosaur | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
out of DNA you pull from a dinosaur bone, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
there are so many things that you have to answer. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
You know, you might get little chunks of DNA, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
maybe you might even get the whole genome. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
But it's going to be fragmented, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
it's going to be split up, it's going to be broken. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
So how are you going to piece it together in the right order? | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
Because if you get chromosomes and genes in the wrong order, | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
you're toast. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:21 | |
It may not possible to bring a dinosaur back to life | 0:58:25 | 0:58:29 | |
but Mary's bringing them closer to us than ever before. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
And the well-preserved remains | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
which lie buried beneath these Flaming Cliffs | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
might allow her to put even more flesh on the bones | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
of the most fearsome and forbidding creatures ever to walk the earth. | 0:58:43 | 0:58:47 | |
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