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Hey. Hey. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
I'm Adam, the one with the face. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
This is Neil, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
my brother. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
And believe it or not, we're identical twins. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Medically, we are really unusual. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
I've seen science-fiction films with a plot that makes more sense. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
We share the same genes, but we also share a genetic disease, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
and it affects us in very different ways. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Up until now, all I've ever known about genetic mutation has been from, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:42 | |
to put it bluntly, comic books and superhero films. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
I am, to all intents and purposes, a really shit superhero. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
I have a facial disfigurement. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Neil has short-term memory loss. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Think goldfish. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
Do you mind me asking you what day it is, Neil? | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Wednesday... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
I hope. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
But so far, no-one can tell us why. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
So, I'm going to investigate before things get any worse. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
This could be a scary glimpse into each other's futures. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:19 | |
I'd rather know than be thinking, "what if" for the rest of my life. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:25 | |
I'm going to be around for a while, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
or at least I plan to be around for a while. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
It depends how good the experts are that we meet, really, doesn't it? | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Why are we affected so differently by the same genetic disease? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
And can I stop it from destroying our lives? | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
My face has always got me into trouble but it's also got me places. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
A few years ago, I was asked to take part in a TV show, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
and now everyone wants a piece of Adam Pearson. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
So, we are at ITV Studios. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
I'm going to go on This Morning to debate with journalist Samantha Brick | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
about the importance of appearance. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Should be relatively straightforward. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
How are you? How you doing? Nice to see you. You all right? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Yeah. Good, good. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Now, I've got an agent, and I'm even getting some acting gigs. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
But the thing that got me here could also destroy my life. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
I have neurofibromatosis type 1 | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
- a disease that causes tumours to grow along nerves. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
But for some reason, these only happen on my face. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Despite 31 operations to remove them, they keep coming back. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
I'm now blind in one eye and losing sight in the other. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Imagine viewing the world through a toilet roll. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Simon Eccles has been my surgeon since I was old enough | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
to leave paediatrics and move over to the adult world of medicine. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
I think when someone cuts your face open on a regular basis, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:40 | |
you kind of build a friendship, dare I say a bromance. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
Just close your eyes for me. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
If I lift that and hold it there, can you still open and close? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
Does it affect your vision at all? | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Let go again. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
No. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
I'm just going to lift up your upper lid a bit more, just to have a look inside. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
I think if we could just de-bulk that a bit, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
and just support it a bit more at the side, that would be better. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Yeah. So, the layer on it is a bit like a trough, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
and I guess the tears just run across the top... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
Yeah. Yeah, and it weeps a lot. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
There's nothing, no vision at all from that, is there? | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
No. Of course, we know that it would be great, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
trying to lift those things up really high and support them, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
but they will come down again, but at least it will give... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
It will be good for a while. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
Yeah. Unfortunately, for much of what we are doing now | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
for you, particularly, it's sort of firefighting. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
There's nothing there at the moment that we can do to either alter | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
your genetics or to stop these growths from occurring. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Your face, really, in some ways, Adam, is one large neurofibroma. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
So, all the tissues are abnormal. It's not just the skin. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
It's the subcutaneous tissue. The bone is abnormal. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
It even involves and infiltrates the muscles, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
and of course it's in the nerves. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
We can't remove it completely, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
because that would damage the function forever. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
And you know, if you lost the sight in that eye, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
that would be a complete disaster. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
So, the plan is to tighten everything up and push it as far as we can | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
without compromising on other things. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Operation 32? 32. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
More morphine. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
My brother Neil has very different problems. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
But in the beginning, even our mother struggled to tell us apart. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
They are identical. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
And they did look alike. I fed the wrong baby once. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Did you know you were carrying children who had a gene mutation? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
No, not at all. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
It never crossed my mind. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
When they were about 20 months old, they developed chronic asthma. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
It was the paediatrician that treated them for their asthma | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
that eventually told us that they had neurofibromatosis. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
When did you first start noticing changes to your face? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Probably when I first started going to school, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
I started to notice the changes. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
When you have your class photo taken, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
you realise how different you look to everyone else. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
You wake up every morning to get ready for school, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
and you know exactly how your day is going to go. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
You know, who's going to say it, where it's going to be said, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and that nothing is going to be done about it. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
And you take this massive deep breath before you walk through | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
the school gates every day... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
..and let it happen. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
I'd say I had an easier childhood than Adam did, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
cos, of course, there was nothing visually wrong with me. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
But I was always told that there was a chance during puberty | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
that I could develop a facial disfigurement. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
And instead I lost my memory. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
Apart from being disorganised, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
and that could be an NF thing, it could just be a man thing, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
couldn't it, you know, he was fine, absolutely fine. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
And for want of a better phrase, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
you sort of began to think that he'd got away with it. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
Then, when he was 14, he went out one evening, came back, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
didn't know where he'd been or what he'd done. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
He complained of a headache, and every time I turned around, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
he was in bed, which, for Neil, was very unusual. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
And then, about a year after that, he developed epilepsy. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
What day is it today? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
Today is... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
It's either Tuesday or Wednesday. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
The big medical conundrum is that we are genetically identical twins, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
so the same genetic condition, but we look completely different | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
and our condition affects us completely differently. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
Not only do we have no idea why, the world of medicine has no idea why. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
I want to try and get to the bottom of it. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
NF1 affects about one in 2,500, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
but our extreme symptoms are unheard of. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
15 years ago, when Neil's memory vanished, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
a medical paper was written about the pair of us. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Doctors scanned both our heads to look for clues, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
but what they found left everyone puzzled. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
Since then, nothing more has been done. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Up until now, no-one has been able to explain definitively | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
why me and Neil are so different. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
Who co-authored this paper? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
Ros Ferner. She's the clinical lead on NF | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
and a neurologist at Guy's and St Thomas'. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
The origins of this paper... | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
When Neil lost his short-term memory, we went to meet Ros, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
and she was presented with two identical twins with the same | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
genetic condition who looked completely different and one had... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
amnesia. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
Hence this paper, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
and MRI scans and various psychometric tests. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
It says that our MRIs are remarkably similar, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
that we have remarkably similar changes | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
that come up on our MRIs. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
What does that mean to you? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Well, that raises the question, | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
why does Neil have memory loss and I don't? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
Am I going to come home one day | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
and not know where I've been or what I've done? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
Good morning, David Adams Library. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Over the years, Neil has learned to cope with his scrambled brain. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
He surprised us all by getting a degree | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
and somehow he now runs a medical library. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Let me just make a note of that... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
So, how long did it take you to learn how to run this library? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
Luckily, it's a small library, so... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Took about six months to be able to say to people when they asked | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
a question, you know, "Where are these books kept? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
"Where are those books kept?" | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
How do you get information from your short term | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
into your long-term memory? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
The main way it happens is through repetition. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
If I do something frequently enough, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
it somehow manages to get from the short-term memory to the long-term | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
memory. Whereas, if it's something I do infrequently, say, like, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
once a month, once every two months, or I do as a one-off, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
then it stays in the short-term memory for a very, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
very short space of time. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
You know, I can't recall what I did | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
at all yesterday evening after work. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
I take a copy of our old medical paper to Neil | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
in the hope of some inspiration. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
How you doing? You all right? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
I didn't recognise you with your hat on. No? No. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
Why are you dressed like Bear Grylls? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
So, when did you last read the Ros Ferner paper? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
I can't remember. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
The pad of... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
BOTH: Destiny. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
There we go. That's pictures of the MRI scans. It is. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
"The third, perhaps most intriguing, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
"is Twin One's amnesiac syndrome, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
"the cause of which remains unestablished." | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
There we go. Unestablished. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
So... | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
..do you think it would be worth | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
trying to go from unestablished to maybe sort of established? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
I would like some more information | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
about even how it potentially could have happened. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
Cos based on that article, it's almost shoulder-shrugging, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
and they're saying, "We don't know." | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
I need answers. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Our brain scans are remarkably similar, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
yet you've lost your memory and I haven't. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
And you've got facial... | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
..disfigurement, and you don't. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
So, this could be a scary glimpse into each other's futures. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:19 | |
Kind of... Is memory loss knocking at my door, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
is disfigurement knocking at your door? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
Is your memory loss even related to NF? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
In 15 years, no-one has been able to solve our mystery. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
So I dragged my brother and his weird brain back to Guy's Hospital | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
to meet one of the neurologists behind our paper, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Professor Ros Ferner. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
Your problems had started in July 1999 at the end of the school term. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
You were taken to Mayday Hospital. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
They mentioned that you had a brain MRI that looked at the structures of | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
the brain more carefully, and then they saw some changes in the brain. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
But I think they really concluded at that time that it was likely | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
that you had some form of infection, or what we call encephalitis. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
So, I don't think this is part of the NF1 spectrum, per se. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
Could I be certain about anything? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
No. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
In your opinion, would it be worth re-assessing and seeing | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
whether or not it could potentially be related to NF1, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
or whether it's something completely different? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
What I think would be helpful for you is if we did some up-to-date | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
imaging. We can't actually compare it with the previous imaging, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
we just have the reports, but we may see some changes | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
in the brain that help us. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
Is it worth, I suppose, getting the scan? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
I mean, the thing that has sparked the whole question for me are these, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
the remarkably similar... | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
..brain scans. Yes. I do understand that. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
I have a dilemma for you - from the point of view of Neil, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
he has an unexplained memory problem, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
and I think that is a good reason for me to have a look at his scan. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
When I thought about you, I didn't have a reason for repeating a scan. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:25 | |
OK. It is quite difficult for me, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
because I'm not your treating physician. Yeah. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
So, I have a sort of duty of care to people | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
that aren't my patients not to investigate them in that way. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
Yeah. Is that OK? | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
Yeah, yeah. OK. I get your position, entirely. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
I'm sorry, I'm making your life difficult but... | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
I feel that we came out with more knowledge than we went in with, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
although... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
..some of the questions we asked... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
..she was slightly reluctant to answer directly, in my opinion. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
How do you feel about that? Oh, yeah, yeah. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Yeah. I think when you say we came out knowing more than we | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
went in with... OK. I came out with more than I came in with. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
How to word to this? | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
I'm not disappointed that I'm not going to have a scan. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
I think... | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
She's not there, is she? No. Her reason's bullshit. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Did you understand her reasons? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Oh, yeah, I completely understand her reasons, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
I just don't agree with them. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
I understand today is a special day for you too. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
Yes, Adam is 31. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
I... I... | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
That is the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
OK, we're 31. There we go. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
BOTH: One, two, three... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
BOTH: # Happy birthday to you | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
# Happy birthday to you | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
# Happy birthday. # | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
We've moved forward a little, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
and it's Neil who gets the birthday present. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
Four and a half minutes. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
He seems... | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
fine with all of this. He's coping with it remarkably well, I think. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
Perhaps the results of his brain scan will give me clues | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
as to what my future might hold. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
In the meantime, we have something else to worry about. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
NF1 patients need regular checkups, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
because the disease is unpredictable. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
In my case, the tumour started growing over my eyes, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
but very occasionally these growths can become cancerous. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Well, I mean, one of the reasons for following you up closely | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
and all patients with NF1 is we know that it's rare but some | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
of these tumours can undergo malignant change. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
And you say it's a rare, how... How rare? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Is there a quantifiable...? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
I think, truthfully, again, I think you'd have to individualise it, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
because, you know, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
you're the only patient I have that I'm looking after who has such | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
extensive NF1 of their face. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
But you know, we mustn't be sidetracked by the fact that | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
this is going on and there may be things developing elsewhere | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
that we haven't spotted. Because we've only really scanned your head | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
and neck, everything occurs in your head and neck, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
but we haven't scanned the rest of your body, and, you know, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
some people do do that, some institutions do do total body scans. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
Which I guess is good to know from one perspective but of course, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
you may find out other things that you didn't know about. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
Mm-hmm. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:53 | |
So, what do you recommend? I have it done? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
I think you'd have to think about it, cos of course it may be | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
that Neil would want to have it done as well, so you're going to both | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
have to think about what the consequences might be. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
Once I think you've had a scan and you find something somewhere, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
if you find something somewhere, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
you're probably committed to having follow-up scans | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
to see how that changes. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:16 | |
Doctors have always focused on our heads because they're so different. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
But what about our bodies? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Could we have hidden tumours elsewhere? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
As always with this big stuff, I report back to Mum. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
You can have full body scans in Belgium | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
to see if you have any internal fibromas. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
If those throw up things that you're not expecting, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
you then have to be scanned regularly and have it... | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Have it monitored. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
The fibromas can go anywhere, so they could be potentially... | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
You could be riddled with them. Is this what you're saying? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
What I can say, and what is true, is all of these tests... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
is once you know something... | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
..you can't un-know it, you can't un-ring a bell. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
So, what would you want to know that you wouldn't want to know, then? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
Me? Nothing. If I'm dying, I'd quite like a heads up. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
I feel the same way. The good thing about having a memory problem, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
though, is you can always forget. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
That doesn't mean, again, so... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
You're dying, you find out about it, you've forgotten about it, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
the same logic applies. It doesn't mean... You're not going to die. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
You're not dying. I don't think we're dying. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
And quite frankly, I don't want to give Mum the satisfaction... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
of outliving me. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
What's the gain in knowing? | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Knowing. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Oh. Great. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
I'm excited. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
We are off to meet one of the leading NF guys in the world, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
who might have answers to questions that other doctors didn't have. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
Yeah, that's fruit. That's good. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Right, well, that'll be cheese in a pastry that quite clearly | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
has a sugar glaze on top. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
Where do you think we're going? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
OK, pen... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
Belgium has one of Europe's top research centres for NF1. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Here, we can both get full body scans | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
and pick the brains of a top researcher. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
But it's the furthest I've taken Neil on my own. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
What are your questions for Eric? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Why do you use full body scanning? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
What could these scans potentially show? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
And what does that mean? | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
And is there a God? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
You're going to bring theology into this? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
I'm just going to ask him outright because he's a geneticist. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
So, are you hoping to get a scientific-based answer | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
as opposed to a theology-based answer? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
I just want to ask a scientist if there is a God or not. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
ANNOUNCEMENT IN FRENCH | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
No, in all seriousness, is there anything that you are | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
potentially worried could show up in these scans? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
Dude, like I said, in 40 minutes... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
In a 40 minute scan, our lives could change forever. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
How do you mean? | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
I might be a lot sicker than I think I am, James Newton - | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
that's what that one means. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:53 | |
Breaking Neil's routine is risky. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
He gets confused in new places, and when he's tired, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
he is prone to epileptic fits. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
Yeah. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
These are a lot further away from each other. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Do you want to just narrow it down to one room? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
Would you prefer to have Neil in the same room as you? | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
Yeah, I would. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
Cos if he has a fit in the night, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
I'm not going to hear it. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
So I'm not going to be able to make sure he takes the clobazam to stop | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
the fit, and, yeah, I think it'd be easier if we're in the same room. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
You have to ask for chocolate. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
And he would like... | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
Oh, my God. I'm so happy. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
The NF1 gene was only discovered in my lifetime. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
But up until now, no-one can tell us why ours went wrong, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
or why we ended up so different. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
We meet world-leading NF1 expert, Professor Eric Legius. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
No pressure(!) | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
Each time when the cell divides, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
it has to make a copy of a six billion letter genetic code. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
Once in a while, the mistake happens. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
But most of the time, this mistake doesn't matter, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
because if you read the newspaper, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
you will find somewhere a printing error. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
Yeah. But it doesn't matter, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
because you understand what the person who wrote the sentence | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
wants to say. Yeah. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
But if it says one, or if it says none, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
that's only one letter difference, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
but the meaning is completely different. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
Yeah. So, sometimes a mistake doesn't have any consequences, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
and sometimes it has severe consequences. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
Yeah. Why do you think that myself and Neil, as identical twins, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
have such different experiences of NF? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
We have all our genetic material, we have a double set of it. Yeah. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
We have one set of mother's side, and one set from father's side. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
So, we have too NF1 genes, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
one of them has a mutation in all cells, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
making a plexiform neurofibroma. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
The other gene is also mutated, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
and if that happens during that narrow window in time, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
during development of the nerve, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
only then it is causing a plexiform neurofibroma, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
so you can very well imagine that it happens in one of you but not | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
in the other. That it happens in one of you in the nerve that develops | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
in the face and maybe in the other one somewhere else in the body | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
where we don't see it. Yeah. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
So, potentially, from these scans, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
it could be a scenario where we find out that Adam hasn't got any | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
internally at all? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
Right. And you have one. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
And I'm absolutely full of them. Worst case scenario. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Well... Well, it happens in 50% of cases, so, statistically, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
one of us is in for bad news. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
One of us is getting bad news today. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
You can turn the body... | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Wow. ..and they highlight the nerves. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
Yeah. So that you can see the nervous system and how it | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
is distributed over the body. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
You can see through the body. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
They are magicians. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Genes come in pairs, and we both share the same primary NF1 mutation. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:20 | |
But it's when the second copy goes wrong that you get tumours. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
So the big question is, does Neil have a version of my face | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
somewhere in his body? | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
And he should probably sort out that underwear. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
If Adam maintains his reputation, he's probably fallen asleep. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
Yes? He used to fall... | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
When he had them as a child, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
he used to fall asleep in the MRI machine all the time. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Well, good for him. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
The report from the scans was done straight away, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
so Eric sat us down for the results one at a time. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Adam, these are your images. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Here in the left arm, you see a swelling there. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
Yeah. You see the nerves that are a little thickened here, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:18 | |
which is not a big deal, and here. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
If we go to the back of the head, we also see this lesion here. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
You see here, the spinal-cord, and just behind the spinal-cord, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:33 | |
and also there is a little bulging here of your neck, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
so also here we should be able to feel it. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
Does that hurt? No. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
OK. OK, that's fine, yeah. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
This is a swelling that should be followed. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
OK. Yeah, I would say once a year. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Yeah. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:02 | |
Hi. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Sit down, please. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
What we can see here is that nerves that come out of the spine | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
are a little thickened, right. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
You can see them very clearly here and there, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
but it's a generalised swelling, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
which is not really a problem, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
it's something that we see quite frequently. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
We look in the legs... | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
In the left leg, here we see a neurofibroma. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
That's just in the quadriceps muscle on the left side. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
How has it managed to push its way through a muscle? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Oh, it grows very slowly. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
Does it? OK. It grows very slowly and it pushes the muscle aside. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
And it's probably sitting there for a very long time. OK. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
So, this is a similar phenomenon as what you see in your brother's face. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
OK. But it is deeply seated. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
You don't see it, it doesn't hurt, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
it doesn't look at all as something that is malignant or so. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:16 | |
OK. So, what we usually recommend is to leave it | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
until it is causing problems, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
or until it is growing. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
The second copy of our NF1 gene had gone wrong, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
but in completely different places, giving both of us tumours. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
For now, at least, none of them were cancerous. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
I was curious more than worried to find out, firstly... | 0:31:49 | 0:31:55 | |
You weren't at all worried, one iota? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
I mean, there was always the risk of there being something | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
that we didn't even know about. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
And you were curious about that as opposed to worried? | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
So, whilst there won't be any new plexiforms growing, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
nerves can still thicken and tumours can still grow. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
So, it's a case of keeping on top of it, and continuing to monitor it. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
Do I have control over my condition? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
None whatsoever. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
Hello! I was beginning to wonder if I was ever going to see you again. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
Really? Yeah. Sorry to disappoint you. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
How you doing? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Our trip to Belgium confirmed Neil and I had a few years left in us yet. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:03 | |
But it didn't explain why my disfigurement was so severe. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
In 31 years, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
no doctor I'd met had ever seen a face as badly affected as mine. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
I get an appointment at Manchester's NF1 centre with top geneticist | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
Dr Sue Huson. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:26 | |
Maybe she can sort my face out. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
So, do you have any photos with you? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
I do. Yes. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
OK. Right. That's pre-NF. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Yeah. So, who's who here? | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
I've got no frigging idea. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:41 | |
Right. OK. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
I'm just beginning to think that the left side of your face | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
at that stage... You're beginning to pick up | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
a bit of thickening and asymmetry. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Yeah. Have you got one about eight or nine? | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Ah, right. So then it really took off, didn't it? | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Yeah. Can you see there that it is very specifically worse | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
on the left side of your face? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
Yeah. And now I've spent more time with you, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
I can see that here it's the lower half that's worse. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
Yeah. And here, it's the upper half. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
Where you are an NF puzzle is I've never seen anybody in my clinic | 0:34:19 | 0:34:25 | |
who's been unlucky enough to have both sides of the face involved. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
So, what I kind of want to know as a geneticist, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
and why I keep looking at your face in detail, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
is did Adam have two events | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
or is there some way that your whole face has the same genetic change? | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
Does that make sense? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
Oh, yeah. So, I don't know how far you want to take this, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
but one possibility would be if you had a piece of tissue taken | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
from both sides that we could then look at the NF1 gene, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
and my prediction is you were just the one in 40,000th person | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
who was unlucky enough to get | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
two hits during the development in the womb. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
So, I am an NF god, to all intents and purposes. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
You've been really, really unlucky. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:26 | |
My impression has always been that I've always had one fibroma | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
that has just grown over across my whole face, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
whereas she thinks I've had two separate mutations, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:54 | |
here and here, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
which goes from the one in 2,000 to the one in 40,000, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
and it happens developmentally. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
But the only way to know that for sure is to biopsy... | 0:36:06 | 0:36:12 | |
both areas | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
and see if the genetic coding in the cultures is different. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
If Sue's correct, not only did I get mutations on the left side, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
but also the right, causing my face to grow out of control. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
What's really odd is that neither of our parents have the disease - | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
all our mutations are spontaneous, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
which means they've happened for the first time. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
Thanks, genetics. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
This was child's play. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
This was child's play(!) | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
I look like Hannibal Lecter's had a bit of a go. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
You look more handsome than you did before. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
Well, that was a backhanded compliment if I ever heard one, Simon. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
Of all the doctors we'd met, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
not one of them had seen symptoms as extreme as ours, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
which is really cool, but very frustrating. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Mr Adam, yeah? Yes. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:22 | |
So I have decided to go on another adventure... | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
without Neil. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
Parts of Vietnam have unusually high levels of genetic disease, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
and some of the worst cases of NF1 in the world. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
First on the plane. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
'But does anyone know why?' | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
'And can I find a case as bad as ours?' | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
Hanoi is not a place for the partially sighted. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
We're crossing, we're crossing! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
HORNS BLARE | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
Oh, we made it, we made it! | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
It's also a very long way from Croydon. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
Good morning, Vietnam. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
Neil would die out here. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
They don't have McDonalds or Nando's. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
He would die of hunger, if dysentery didn't get a hold of him first. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
I head to a rural area just outside the city where I'm joined by Zach, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
a local guide. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
He agreed to help me look for people with NF1, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and took me straight to a man with extreme symptoms. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Like me, his tumours have grown out of control. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
But here in Vietnam, he wasn't alone. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
In recent years, parts of this country have seen a huge increase | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
in genetic diseases like NF1, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
and many believe the cause of this goes back 40 years. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Between '61 and '71, Vietnam was subject to intense chemical warfare. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:42 | |
The American military dropped around 80 million litres of Agent Orange, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
a herbicide designed to clear jungle and expose the enemy. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
But this chemical was thought to be one of the most toxic ever made | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
by man, and countless were exposed to high levels. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
It's been hard to prove, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
and scientists across the world are still arguing, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
but Agent Orange is suspected by many to cause gene mutations. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
Looking at this right now, Zach, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
it makes a lot of sense how this can get into the human body. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
They dropped the chemical, it goes into the ground, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
which goes into the crops, which goes into our food, which goes into our... | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
our bodies. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
It's crazy. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
Once genes mutate, the effects can be passed on through generations, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
but no-one here seems to know for how long these effects could be felt. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
I head to the largest surgical hospital in the country | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
to meet Vietnam's top plastic surgeon. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
How are you doing? Pleased to meet you. Very nice to meet you. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Adam. Adam. Pleasure. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
I bring you to my department. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
If I lived here, this is the man that would cut my face open. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Do you have many patients with neurofibromatosis? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Yes, I see more and more patients | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
with neurofibromatosis. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
I always... I have 40 beds, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
but I always have patients on the waiting list, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
more than the number of patients I can do the surgery. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
So, patients need to wait a long time to have surgery. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Have you ever met someone with a face like mine, with NF? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
We see patients sometimes with... | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
..more severe than you, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
and these people can have only one or two surgeries. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
I think that you have a lot of surgery. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
How many surgeries have you had in the UK? 31. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
31 surgeries! | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
Mm-hmm. But in Vietnam, my patients, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
they can have only one or two or three surgeries for all their life. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
It is also an economic problem. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
The doctor showed me examples of tumours he'd removed | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
from NF1 patients, some weighing as much as a small child. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
But, as I know from experience, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
surgery doesn't stop them growing back. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
My question is, do you know that there's any medicine or drug? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
Or we need to put the doctor and scientist together | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
and try to invent some drug or something, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
where they can slow down or make this develop slowly, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
or stop developing. Yeah. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
So, if there was a drug that could shrink the size of tumours, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
that would make a big difference to you and your patients, wouldn't it? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
I think that we always dream about this kind of drug. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
If there's a pill out there that can reduce the symptoms of NF | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
and it works and it's safe and, by some way, shape or form, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
I can bring it here to Vietnam, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
that's something I'm definitely up for doing. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
Danang to the south was an area heavily sprayed with Agent Orange | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
during the war. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:30 | |
I was taken by Zach to one of a tiny number of centres built to provide | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
care and education for children with genetic diseases. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
The centre provides respite for the many descendants of | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
military personnel who were exposed to the toxin during the war. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
Without their support, families would struggle alone. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
I was introduced to a mother and her disabled children, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
who are now in their 40s. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
Her husband served the Army, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
and the husband was exposed to the Agent Orange during wartime. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
They gave birth to one son and one daughter and they are all | 0:44:15 | 0:44:20 | |
Agent Orange victims. She by herself took care of two children for more | 0:44:20 | 0:44:26 | |
than 40 years already, by herself, because the husband died already. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:31 | |
She is always smiling. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
Since she met me, she always smiles, very lovely smile. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
When we asked her, "What is your big dream?" | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
She said that when she dies, there is someone that can bury her. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
We were about to leave the centre | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
when Zach introduced me to a girl called Ding. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
Like me, she also had NF1. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Her facial disfigurement was nowhere near as bad, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
but something about her didn't seem right. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
And how does your NF1 affect you on a day-to-day basis? | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
THEY SPEAK VIETNAMESE | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
She has no idea, because she could not remember anything. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
She struggles to remember things? | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
When she was born, she was totally normal, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
but year by year she started to lose and had trouble with memory, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:46 | |
so she stopped going to school and the family took her to the centre. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:51 | |
So, there was no accident, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
no event in her life that could have triggered this memory loss? | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
It just came on? | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
She had no accident or unexpected happening in her life. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:09 | |
The tumours and the symptoms of this is exposed very naturally. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:16 | |
So, after... | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
15, 16 years of looking, I've finally found someone like Neil. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:30 | |
It also means I know where to bring Neil to live when Mum dies. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
I thought I understood what it meant to have NF1, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
but coming here has taught me that genetic diseases can affect us | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
very differently, depending on where we live. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
Here, you're lucky to get a diagnosis, let alone treatment. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:56 | |
Do you remember when Adam got back? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
He got back at the weekend. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
I think he got back on Saturday. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
But he... No? | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
Friday. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
Sunday. There we go! | 0:47:18 | 0:47:19 | |
He got back on Sunday. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
We're going to get there eventually. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
I think if we'd have been born in Vietnam, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
life would be very different. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:31 | |
Very, very different. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:39 | |
There was a moment when a doctor said to me that he wishes | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
there was a pill that patients could take and it would stop the tumours | 0:47:46 | 0:47:52 | |
growing or slow the growth down or make them smaller, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
and there is a pill like that being trialled in America. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
The trial is NF-specific. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
OK. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
Do you think it's a good idea? | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
I think it's worth looking into. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
So, yes? Yes. There we go. Yeah. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
When I returned from Vietnam, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
my surgeon told me about a drug being trialled | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
that was shrinking tumours in NF patients. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
If true, it's a game changer. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
I travelled to Maryland, USA, to meet the mastermind behind it, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
Dr Brigitte Widemann at the National Cancer Institute. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
We've done clinical trials for NF1 plexiform neurofibromas, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
that I think is the type of tumour that you have, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
for more than 15 years. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
And our goal has always been to see if we could either stop tumours | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
from growing or, ideally, even shrink them. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
And we have now completed the analysis, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
and more than 50% of the patients had what we call a partial response. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:17 | |
Partial response means clear, measurable shrinkage, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:22 | |
and this has actually been sustained, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
meaning the tumours haven't re-grown in most of the patients. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
Do you have the sense that your plexiform neurofibroma is stable, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
meaning not changing at this time? Is it growing? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
Yeah, no, they're growing, still. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
I've also got a fibroma on the back of my neck. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
I've got one under my arm. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
Yeah. Would I be able to take part in your trial? | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
And does the fact that I'm slightly famous back in the UK | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
mean I can jump the list? | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
Or do I have to wait? Probably not. Oh, right. Probably not. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
What is the point of being famous? | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
So, but... | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
This is one that potentially you could participate in. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
Yeah. Now, what is the outcome that you would desire | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
if you were to go on a study? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
Well, I think any kind of fibroma shrinkage is a good thing. Mm-hmm. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:18 | |
And I've had 32 surgeries, and I'm going to be having an operation | 0:50:18 | 0:50:23 | |
on my eyelid to open the eye a bit more. Yeah, yeah. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:28 | |
And so, any alternative I could have to a knife going near my eye is... | 0:50:28 | 0:50:34 | |
a good thing. Yeah. How much meaningful vision...? | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
Do you have completely normal vision in your eye at this point? | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
So, I'm blind in one eye, and I'm partially sighted in the other. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
OK. These agents can have | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
at least potential toxicities to the eye, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
so we would want to monitor that extremely closely. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
There can be retinal detachment, | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
meaning detachment of the retina which could lead to vision loss, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
potentially. We have not seen this at all, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
but all of our patients get serial eye exams over time. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
Where does that leave you, Adam? | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
I... | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
I don't know. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
Huh. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:14 | |
I was introduced to five-year-old Paige, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
who'd already been on a trial a few months. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
Why don't you sit over here, Adam, because you could see... Over here? | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
If you could hold it up maybe next to Paige and you could get an idea. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
There is a real reduction there. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
Paige's eye is a lot more closed in the "before" photo, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
which is very similar to mine. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
I have a restricted aperture in my eye. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
Our big concern was that the tumour was to her tonsils, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
so keeping her airway open was a huge concern. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
And since it's now stopped growing, | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
and not only stopped growing but has reduction already, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
that is a big relief knowing that her airway is good. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
Her ear was pretty much closed, which caused a lot of problems, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
and now it's open all by itself, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
and we haven't had an ear infection since. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
Great. OK, Adam, going to fist-bump goodbye? | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
Yeah. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
Yes, we got it on camera! | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
That happened. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:23 | |
That happened. Thank you, Adam. Very nice to meet you. Yeah, here. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
All right, we're a family then. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
Can you imagine the significance of this drug being available | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
in places like Vietnam? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
Them going from not knowing what they're treating or how to treat it | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
to being able just to prescribe a pill. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
That's world-changing. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Just being able to say to the doctor, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
"You know you said you wanted a pill that could help patients with NF... | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
"Here it is." | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
The reason it's so game-changing is, up until now, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
the only option for people with NF1, medically, | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
has been surgical intervention. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
The biggest dilemma for me, by far, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:28 | |
is one of the possible side effects of this drug is retinal detachment. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
That's the biggest catch-22 out of all of them. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
It can improve my eyesight or it could make it... | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
make it worse. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
What are you going to tell your mum and Neil? | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
I'm going to tell them about the drugs trial, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
run through what was discussed with me by Dr Widemann, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
and tell them I'm seriously considering enrolling. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
Back in London, I take Neil to the NF clinic at Guy's Hospital | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
for the results of his brain scan. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
Does he actually have one? | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
And if so, what happened to his memory? | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
So would you like to see what we found? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
Yes, please. I can show you some pictures. OK. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
We had a look at the hippocampus again. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
Remember that's the part of the brain that is particularly involved | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
in memory. And it's a little bit like we've sliced you, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
coming this way, OK. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
But if you look here, right and left, can you see that area? | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
Both sides look rather bright compared with elsewhere. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
What do we think is happening? | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
Well, normally the brain forms in different layers, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
and it may be that the cells go to the wrong layer, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
so it's a sort of difference in formation of the brain. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
Now, I look after a lot of adults. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
Most of the people that we see with these bright hippocampi | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
don't have any symptoms. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
Sorry, so... | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
Are we saying that there might not be any relation | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
between the NF1 and the memory problem? | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
We don't think so, because we think, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
from the clinical information that we gleaned all those years ago, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
they felt that you had this sort of inflammation | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
due to a virus called encephalitis. Yeah. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
And it seemed that the memory problem stemmed from that time. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
So, are we saying that Neil's memory loss was caused by an infection? | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
Well, I think that's going to be my best conclusion at this moment. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
Yeah. Is there a chance I could lose my memory? | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
I don't think that anything that we've seen in Neil | 0:56:03 | 0:56:09 | |
will relate to you, so... | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
Apart from normal ageing, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
I think your memory will be the same as it is now. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
One less thing for me to worry about. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
I guess this means I have to keep writing "to do" lists for Neil. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
At least he's unlikely to get any worse. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
As for me, the biopsy results weren't as expected, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
showing the same secondary mutation on both sides of my face. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
This challenges current thinking as to when these events occur. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
In my case, much earlier in the womb, after Neil and I split, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
but before my face was divided into left and right, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
making me kind of amazing. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
Of course, knowing this doesn't stop my tumours from growing, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
or my sight from getting any worse. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
And until I can get on the American drugs trial, I have only one option - | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
surgery. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:09 | |
If I lost my sight, I'd make it work. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
I didn't get this far by quitting at the first sign of adversity, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:22 | |
so this would just be another thing to kick its arse. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
I'm assuming this will come down a lot as well. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
Yeah. There's a lot of space that's filled up with fluid. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Oh, thank you. Very happy. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:35 | |
Job done. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:38 | |
Fast forward 30 years from now... | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
Yeah. What do things look like? | 0:57:47 | 0:57:49 | |
I don't want to think about that. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
That's scary. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
I've got to manage to hold my shit together for another 30 years. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
What would you like your future to look like? | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
Move out, get married, get a dog. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
Because that's practice for having kids. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
Then have kids. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
How about you, Neil? | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
Um... | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
I don't really like to plan too far ahead. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
I like to set short goals. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
And then, once they've been achieved, | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
review the situation and set another short goal. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
There's no stopping neurofibromatosis - | 0:58:31 | 0:58:34 | |
it's a law unto itself. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:37 | |
But no matter what the future holds, we'll deal with it... | 0:58:37 | 0:58:40 | |
..together. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:43 | |
Watch this. It is amazing. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:13 |