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This is the story of an incredible scientific adventure. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
Of an unlikely collection of scientists and engineers, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
dreamers and schemers, who attempted the impossible. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
To control gravity. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
Gravity is the fundamental force that holds us to the earth | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
and binds the universe together, yet we still don't fully understand it. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
Gravity is the most mysterious of all the fundamental forces. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
The ultimate challenge I can think of as a scientist | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
is to control gravity. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
The scientific quest triggered a race between rival corporations, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
governments, and military... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
It can destroy the missiles or remove them from their trajectory. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
..fuelled by the paranoid fear of missing | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
the greatest technological advance in history. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
If just one that here works, if only partly, you won the jackpot! | 0:01:08 | 0:01:14 | |
If this ever happened, it's going to change aerospace. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
The potential is so great, if I did not bring this to | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
the attention of the Pentagon, oh, I would have been fired! | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
The search for gravity control | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
ranges from Washington to the streets of Eastern Europe, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
from the deserts of America to the furthest reaches of the cosmos. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
Dark energy has some sort of antigravity. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
We still don't know whether it's something that we can ever harness. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
Someone might wonder, why can't we build a machine with it? | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
We just need to find the trick. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
Unlikely as it may seem, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
the story begins in a corner of Lancashire, near Blackpool, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
with a humble engineer who had a dream. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
It's only another force field, but wouldn't it be good | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
if we could actually control it and do more? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
If the dream of gravity control ever came true, it would | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
revolutionise the world and could send us to the stars. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
PEOPLE WHOOP AND SCREAM | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
In the late 1980s, aerospace engineer Ron Evans | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
was working in the defence industry in Lancashire. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
He'd been trying to find a way to detect stealth bombers | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
using fluctuations in gravity... | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
..and he wondered if he could take it even further. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Could he use gravity to levitate a plane? | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Of course, it was impossible, but Ron did something | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
a bit reckless - he asked his employer if they'd let him try. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
Ron's employer was the biggest defence | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
and aerospace contractor in Europe - BAE Systems. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
And instead of telling him to have a cup of tea and a lie down, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
they listened. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
I had to go to the head of the technology board - | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
it's a panel - and persuade them that it was worth doing. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Now, clearly, it was very speculative. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
I had to go away and come up with some concepts | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
and come up with some ideas that could actually feature | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
an antigravity or a gravity-type propulsion system. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
Well, this was one of the designs that we came up with. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
For a start, it wouldn't be limited to just flying in the air. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
It could fly anywhere - into space, even into water. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
And of course, it was a vertical takeoff design | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
because it had a gravity engine inside | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
but it didn't look very exciting, and so... | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
we asked the artist to put some green rays underneath. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
That made it look far more futuristic. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
Let's be clear that not everyone in the company | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
thought we should be doing it. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
There were quite a few that felt, we make aircraft, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
we're good at it and that's what we should be doing. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
But there were a few - and some very senior people - that felt, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
OK, let's just have a little look at the future. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
And the concept became known as Greenglow. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
As head of Project Greenglow, Ron's job was to find | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
and develop advanced propulsion systems to overcome gravity. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
The potential was enormous, if it happened. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
It would totally change aerospace. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
And Ron was not alone. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
At around the same time, in the US, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
NASA began a parallel project headed by aerospace engineer Marc Millis. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
It was around 1996 when I was asked to lead | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project - | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
things like non-rocket space drives, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
interstellar propulsion and manipulating gravity, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
things like that. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
For that project, the idea was to think radical, think big. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
However, today, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
NASA says it has moved on and doesn't want to look back. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
We can't go in there to talk about it now | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
because NASA's not doing that work right now. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
At BAE Systems, the same situation. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
The company no longer wants to discuss Project Greenglow. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
We asked whether we could go there | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
and talk to them about it and they just said no. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Gravity control is a dark and dangerous science. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
Like modern-day alchemy, it promises a glittering prize, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
but it can destroy your reputation. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Years earlier, Ron had watched a gravity experiment | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
bring down one of Britain's best-known scientists... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
'This time, I call for a volunteer.' | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
..professor of engineering at Imperial College London, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Eric Laithwaite. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
'And then we're going to spin up the biggest gyro of the day, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
'which is here.' | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
Like millions of others, Ron had been spellbound | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
by Laithwaite's Christmas lecture at the Royal Institution in 1974. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
I can make him raise it. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
Now... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Laithwaite suggested that by spinning a heavy wheel, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
he could make it counteract gravity. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Ron has returned to the Royal Institution | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
to try and recreate the effect. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
-Does it feel light? -It does. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
-It feels very light. -With the help of fellow engineer Dr Adam Wojcik. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
'What I think was at the back of Laithwaite's mind' | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
was that there was a force in one direction more than in the other, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
and so the gyro will start to rise up. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
And that gives you the illusion as though it's losing weight. It isn't. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
It's just an illusion. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
But is it lighter? | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
When the gyroscope is rotated in the same direction it's spinning, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
it's given an upward lift. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
-And if I rotate in the opposite sense... -Oh! That does look heavy. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
-Ooh, careful! -Wow! -Careful, careful! | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
When it's rotated in the opposite direction, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
the opposite happens, and it seems to get heavier. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Still hoping to make gravity control a subject of serious research, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
Laithwaite acknowledged his mistake. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Yet his reputation was irreparably damaged. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
He was snubbed by the academic establishment | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
and felt obliged to leave his position at the Royal Institution. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
Professor Laithwaite got into a lot of trouble with this, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
really, because of the claim that it got lighter, which is antigravity. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:45 | |
And the academics jump on any antigravity device | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
as being impossible. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Well, it's not impossible. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
It's just we don't know how to do it. But we should look. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
It's like flight in the last century. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
In those days, anybody that said they could fly | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
was looked upon as a lunatic! | 0:09:02 | 0:09:03 | |
The difference is that, before humans could fly, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
we knew birds could. We could study aerodynamics. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
But there was nothing we knew of | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
that could actually overcome gravity. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
The dream of lifting effortlessly from the earth | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
is not confined to engineers. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Despite being so contentious, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
many academics are rather seduced by the idea. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Dr Tamara Davis is among them. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
From a little kid, I always wanted to go and visit other planets | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
and go up into space. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
And to be able to have a form of propulsion | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
that could get me there easily would be fantastic. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
But we don't yet know | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
whether we can manipulate gravity or have any control over it. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
There is one fundamental force we know we CAN control, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
which we've used to build our modern world - electromagnetism. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
It gives us a tantalising illusion of gravity control... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
..when we levitate a magnet. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
Ta-da! | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
Electromagnetic repulsion balances the weight of the magnet | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
by using the same magnetic polarity in the base. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
We know that like charges repel. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
So here, we just have a magnetic field that's levitating a magnet. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
So this is nothing mysterious. This is just electromagnetism. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Let's see if I can get this across. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
Come on! | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
The power of control we get from electromagnetism lies in | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
the fact that we can change its polarity | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
and make it either repel or attract. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
So in electromagnetism, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:10 | |
we have positive charges and negative charges. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
And they tend to attract each other. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
If you have a positive charge and a positive charge, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
it will repel from each other, but... | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
wouldn't it be great | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
if we could get gravity to work in reverse and be able to | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
levitate things using gravity? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
Only problem is, there isn't any negative gravity, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
there isn't any antigravity that pushes. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Gravity always pulls, as far as we know. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
The reason seems to be that, unlike electromagnetism, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
gravity has only one kind of polarity - positive. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
One mass is simply attracted to another. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
Gravity and electromagnetism are completely different forces. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
There's a very special property of gravity - that is that it adds up. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
Inside an atom, there's a positive nucleus surrounded by | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
negative electrons, so the electromagnetic value cancels out, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:22 | |
whereas there's nothing to cancel out its mass. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
So the force on one atom adds to the force on another atom, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
and so they generate an attractive gravitational force. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
So if you get enough of those atoms together, like in a planet | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
or in a star, then the gravitational force is very strong. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
So gravity is different. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
It adds up as you increase the amount of matter | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
in a way the other forces don't. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
For physicists like John Ellis, the dream of making a one-way force | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
behave like a two-way force remains just that - a dream. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
The idea that you might be able to make antigravity | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
is, of course, incredibly seductive. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
We particle theorists are also seduced by that, on occasion. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
But don't think it's going to be possible within my lifetime, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
your lifetime, anybody's lifetime. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Yet back in 1996, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
a Russian scientist working in Finland claimed to have done | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
the very thing the sceptics said was impossible - control gravity. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:45 | |
Dr Eugene Podkletnov had been using a machine called a cryostat | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
to cool electrical superconductors | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
when something very strange happened. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
One evening, we were working with our cryostat, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
and one of my colleagues, who was leaving at that time, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
just came to the laboratory and said, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
"Guys, what are you doing here?" | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
And we said, "Just working." And he was smoking his pipe. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
A very interesting person. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
It is, by the way, not allowed to smoke a pipe in the laboratory, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
but it was late in the evening. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
And he blew his pipe over the cryostat, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
and the smoke went close to the cryostat, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
hit some unseen barrier and, very fast, went up. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
And it was pretty amazing. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
He repeated this several times and said, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
"You are working with magic things!" | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
And he left. So that was the beginning. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
After months of investigation, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
Podkletnov concluded that what he'd created was an antigravity field. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:59 | |
So we have a vacuum chamber with a disc which can be rotated | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
over 10,000 rotations per minute. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
And this is a weight sample, which can move freely over the disc. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
And when the disc reaches a certain speed of rotation, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
it exerts a repulsive force on the weight sample and pushes it up. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
In fact, this is a direct demonstration of the gravity fields. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
This gravity field is, in our case, repulsive, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
and, as you can see, the repulsive force is pretty big. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
Podkletnov published a paper in a popular science journal | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
which caught the attention of Ron Evans at Greenglow. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
By now, the scale of Podkletnov's claim had sent red flags | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
waving everywhere - including the Ministry of Defence. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
Out of the blue, from the MoD, I got a letter... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:07 | |
..asking me what I made of the Podkletnov withdrawn paper. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
Well, at the time, I didn't know what to make of it - not a lot! | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Why should a spinning superconductor change gravity? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
It was just so odd | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
that it never occurred to anybody before that it even should. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
And, of course, many of the academics said, "Impossible!" | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
But what Podkletnov did was, having seen it, he explored it further. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
If you spot an anomaly, then you go and investigate it to see why. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
So we invited Podkletnov to come to BAE Systems at Walton, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
but we had to get special permission from the Ministry of Defence | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
to allow him to come on site. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
And I think he was quite taken that a Russian was actually... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
The very first, and probably the only, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Russian that's ever been allowed at our Walton site. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Ron organised a team | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
to try and recreate Podkletnov's breakthrough. But they didn't | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
have the budget to work with the highly specialised superconductor. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
We couldn't replicate what he'd done, so we couldn't say yes, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
he had found an effect, or no, he hadn't. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
By now, Marc Millis at NASA also wanted to know | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
if there was something in Podkletnov's claim. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
And he had a much bigger budget. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
We found people who replicated the experiment with Podkletnov's help, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
and they even had 50 times the detection sensitivity | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
that Podkletnov had had, and did not find any effect. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Despite exhaustive tests, no-one seemed able to reproduce | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Podkletnov's so-called gravity field. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
I think Podkletnov had jumped to a conclusion, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
had seen some things and did not take the...rigour to go through | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
and make sure that he wasn't misleading himself. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Meanwhile, news of Podkletnov's breakthrough | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
had been leaked to the press, and the resulting media storm | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
obliged him to leave his university post. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
So Podkletnov went back to Moscow to work in secret. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
And by late 2001, he claimed he had a new way to manipulate gravity. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
Wary of the Western media, he contacted the one man | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
he trusted to give him a fair hearing - Ron Evans at Greenglow. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
He offered to meet with Ron, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
but it would have to be in secret at a hotel in London, specified by him. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
It was a secret meeting because I did not want to attract | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
the attention of military people in Russia. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
By now, Ron was getting concerned | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
his project was being dragged into a world of fantasy and subterfuge. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
It really was like a John le Carre story. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
And he said he could afford us just a little bit of time, if we wanted | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
to learn a little bit more about what he'd been doing in Moscow. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
Because of his security concerns, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Podkletnov was only prepared to tell Ron the basic concept. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
I presented to him my latest works with impulse gravity generator, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:40 | |
which gives a very short impulse of gravity waves. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
It's really a giant spark plug, really. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
But according to Dr Podkletnov, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
someone way away, a kilometre away, on the balcony of some flats | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
in line with the beam, was still able to detect a slight effect. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
That was incredible. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
It can be used for propulsion in space, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
but at the same time, it is a very powerful weapon | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
and it can destroy the missiles or remove them from their trajectory, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:19 | |
so the interest from military people will be definitely big. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
What did I think? It was very... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
Dr Podkletnov is a scientist, and, you know... | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
I don't know, is the answer. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
It's very hard to say, yes, I believed it. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
On the other hand, I wanted to know more, because it might be true. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Did you really think that was feasible? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
We don't know, with gravity. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Gravity is a subject we don't know about. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
That's why we're exploring it. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
For years, the gravity pulse concept remained shrouded in secrecy, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
and stayed unproven. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
But by the early 2000s, a new generation of scientists | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
had picked up the baton from Project Greenglow... | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
..including Dr Martin Tajmar, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
professor of space systems at Dresden University. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
If you look for a challenge, always look for a big challenge. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
The ultimate challenge I can think of as a scientist | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
is to control gravity. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
That's maybe the most difficult thing there is, right? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
Martin is about to comprehensively test Podkletnov's concept | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
once and for all. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
His claims are that it can drill holes into brick walls | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
and this kind of stuff, which is an extraordinary claim. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
And if you have an extraordinary claim, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
you must have extraordinary proof. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Antigravity is a kind of synonym for impossible. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
But always be ready for the surprise. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
This, in effect, is Podkletnov's gravity pulse generator, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
recreated by Martin and his team. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
As Ron Evans guessed, it's based on a kind of giant spark plug - | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
essentially two electrodes in a box. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
Basically, you have two electrodes - one here and one here - and you are | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
running a very, very high electric current, a discharge through that. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
The discharge goes through a superconductor. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
According to Podkletnov, this somehow creates a pulse of gravity, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
which is picked up by a sensor, acting like an electronic pendulum. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
And let's say, if you have here a pendulum, here, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
that when this gravitational impulse hits the pendulum, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
you will actually get a deflection off the pendulum. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
And so, the claim is that this is actually also creating | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
not only an electric discharge but a kind of gravitational impulse - | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
a push to something at a distance. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
The superconductor is cooled with liquid nitrogen | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
to remove its electrical resistance. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Podkletnov claimed the resulting mass of electrical discharge | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
creates the gravitational pulse. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
They switch on the power to charge up the system... | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
..and wait for the discharge. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
Counting down. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
BANG | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
There is a reading. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
So here's the data. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
Gravity goes with the speed of light, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
so you should see an instantaneous peak. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
And then, the sound from this bang, this takes some time | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
until it arrives. So we should see two distinct peaks | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
because we have such a high resolution. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
So that's the acoustic impulse, and exactly here, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
that's where the gravitation impulse should be, but we don't see it. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
The sensor felt the sound wave from the spark... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
BANG | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
..but no gravity pulse. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
That's the most sensitive sensor there is in the world | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
and we don't even see something out of the noise, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
so how can you make a claim to say that you move things metres away | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
or that you actually push pendulums away? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
So that's a really outrageous claim. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
We haven't seen something, not even remotely like that, unfortunately. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
But, yeah... So far, no luck. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
So this guy had the idea that by, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
you know, messing around with superconductors, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
he could change the strength of the gravitational field. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Crap! | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
None of Podkletnov's methods seemed able to alter gravity in the lab. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
Could the reason be a simple problem of scale? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
For physicist Clifford Johnson, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
scale is the big Achilles heel in any idea of gravity control, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
because at human scales, there's almost nothing there TO control. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
Most people think that gravity's an extremely strong force. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
And indeed, it does seem to be - it binds us here to the earth. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
But actually, of all the forces we know in nature, it's the weakest. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
I'm actually going to show you something. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
We can see exactly how weak gravity is in this way. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
I have this fridge magnet - just an ordinary fridge magnet. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
And look - it sticks. It doesn't fall. What does that mean? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
It means that this electromagnetic force | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
between this magnet and the car | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
is beating the force of gravity due to the entire earth. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
Let me give you a number. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
It's 10 to the 40 times weaker than electromagnetism. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:36 | |
That's not 10 or 10 x 40. It's 10 to the power 40. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
So that's a one with 40 zeros after it. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
So that's going to be part of the difficulty | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
in any experiment that we might do that tries to modify gravity. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
It's trying to tinker with something that, on that scale, is so tiny. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
The real effects of gravity take place when you have | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
huge amounts of mass, like the mass of the earth or something like that. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
That's the scale on which gravity is changing | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
in a significant, measurable way. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:08 | |
There is one industry that has to deal with gravity | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
on a planetary scale. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
That has always clamoured for some form | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
of gravity-beating propulsion. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
The space industry. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:27 | |
Marc Millis ran NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion Project. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
One of its long-term goals was to move away from using rockets. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
The problem with rockets is not that they can't beat gravity - | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
it's the amount of thrust they need to do it. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
If you think about the Apollo spacecraft | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
and you imagine here's the Saturn V, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
the very tip of that and then a little bit below that | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
was the actual spacecraft itself | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
and all the rest of this was the propellant, the rocket fuel, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
and that's just to the moon. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
NASA aims to get humans to Mars and back | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
within the next decade and a half... | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
..maybe, one day, beyond the solar system itself... | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
..but just the Martian step | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
seems impractical with conventional rockets | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
because leaving the earth's gravity takes so much fuel. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
The farther or faster that you want to go | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
or more that you want to carry, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
you need this extra propellant to do that | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
and then you need extra propellant for the extra propellant | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
and it adds up exponentially. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
You wanted to go to our nearest neighbouring star, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
which is over four light-years away, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
and you wanted to do it with the kind of rockets | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
that are on the space shuttle, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
and say you want to do it in 50 years, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
you're having to go a tenth of the speed of light. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Well, the amount propellant you need for that journey | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
is about the mass of our entire sun. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
For Mark and NASA, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
the focus was less on controlling gravity itself | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
than finding ways to get to the stars. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
They didn't care how | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
as long as it didn't need rocket fuel. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
And, in 2002, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
a new device appeared | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
that seemed to offer a solution... | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
..invented by a former defence research engineer, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Roger Shawyer. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
The big advantage of EmDrive is that it's a device which creates a force | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
but it doesn't have to shoot out a propellant out of the back. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
Instead of using rocket fuel to create thrust, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
the EmDrive uses microwave energy... | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
..just like a domestic oven. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Microwaves bounce around inside the box in waves, cooking your food. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
To stop that energy cooking you, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
there is a mesh on the door with holes in. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
The diameter of these holes are so small | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
that, instead of going through it, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
microwave radiation is actually bouncing up and down vertically | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
in the hole. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
The holes trap the waves, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
slowing them to a standstill. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
According to Roger, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
the narrow end of his EmDrive does exactly the same job. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
The waves are going faster at the large end | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
than they are at the small end. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
This means that the force at the large end | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
is greater than the force at the small end | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
which will cause the cavity to move in the opposite direction. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
It would only produce a small amount of thrust, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
but, in space, that would matter. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
An EmDrive thruster with continuous electrical power | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
gives you continuous acceleration | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
and therefore you can achieve very large velocities | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
and travel very large distances. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
Roger believes that, if he could make it big enough, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
it could potentially lift us from the Earth. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
You suddenly have a lift engine | 0:31:26 | 0:31:27 | |
which simply hovers there or indeed accelerates upwards. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
So we can obviously envisage launching large payloads into space | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
on an EmDrive-driven space plane. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Essentially, we are no longer looking at ways | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
that we can control gravity itself. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
We are beating gravity the smart way. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
If it works. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
Though he didn't claim to control gravity, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
Roger's EmDrive concept was rejected by a lot of theoretical scientists, | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
who claim the basic physics just didn't add up. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
So imagine I'm a particle of light | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
and I bounce off one side of a box. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
I push off and I push the box that way, go this way, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
but then I hit the other side of the box and I bounce off just as hard. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
So the box doesn't go anywhere. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
So, for it move, I would have to push off one side | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
and then escape out the other end the way that a rocket does. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
So that's why we're not sure how the EmDrive works | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
because bouncing off both sides of a box you wouldn't get any thrust. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
Newton told us that action and reaction are equal and opposite, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
but, the EmDrive, nothing comes out | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
and so I don't see how you can generate momentum out of nothing. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
My view is - who cares? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
It's the experiment. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
If the experiment works, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
it's up to the theoretical people to put a theory round why it works. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
From what we understand so far, it shouldn't work, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
but if you have an open mind and say, "Well, what if...?" | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
If it does work, it's a revolution, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
it's a new propulsion system. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
To settle the argument between the theorists and engineers, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
Martin Tajmar had the perfect test facility in Dresden... | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
..a large vacuum chamber mounted on dampers | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
to isolate it from the surrounding world... | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
..a carefully designed rig to hold the drive... | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
..with a finely tuned balance to record any thrust... | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
..and, most importantly, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:45 | |
a copy of Roger Shawyer's original EmDrive. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Martin's version is small | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
but, if the principal works, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
there should be measurable thrust. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
The vacuum chamber is sealed. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
The thrust recorder inside is so sensitive | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
it can detect Martin sitting down outside. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
We're here in a laboratory on earth so there's some seismic movement, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
so the balance themselves will move just a little bit. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
That's the noise we are seeing here. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
The EmDrive is switched on. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:28 | |
Nothing appears to move. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
But on Martin's screen there is a reading. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
When we turn on the thruster, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
the balance in it reacts | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
and we measure something which looks actually like a thrust. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
What we measured here in this case is something like 25 micronewtons. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
That's very, very small. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
You can compare this, for example, to a tenth of the weight force | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
of a grain of rice. Incredibly small. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Still, however, useful. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
For example, in space, we have thrusters actually | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
which have this tiny amount of force | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
which is still useful to manoeuvre spacecraft, for instance. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
The first results seem positive. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
But, when Martin experimented further, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
he discovered a problem. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
So, with the thruster pointing in that direction, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
we measured thrust in that direction | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
and, when we tilted it 90 degrees, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
we still measured thrust in this direction, which we shouldn't have. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
There can still be some major influence | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
from, for example, the power feeding lines that we still need to solve | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
to find out what's the real thrust produced by the EmDrive, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
if there is any thrust produced. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
The great hope of the EmDrive was | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
that, as a kind of propellant-less rocket, | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
it would at least power vehicles in space, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
NASA's dream. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
But NASA didn't pursue the idea any further, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
or any other gravity-defying concepts, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
because, in 2002, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
they closed down Marc Millis's project. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
The project ended when the funding for all propulsion research was cut. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
It wasn't just breakthrough propulsion physics, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
it was a Congressional earmark to build a building in a certain state | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
and that took all the funding. It happens. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
The main progress that we made is we took science-fiction notions | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
and evolved them to at least the first step of the scientific method. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
That step by itself is a degree of progress | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
that, if I don't accomplish any more, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
it's like, "Yeah, that was pretty good." | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
Ron Evans kept going for another three years. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
But, when he retired in 2005, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
BAE closed down Project Greenglow. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
For more than a decade, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
Ron had tried to find a way to control gravity. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
He never managed it. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
Is it a shame? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Yeah, I suppose so. I would like... | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
I would like to have worked at a company | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
that actually made this idea work. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
It was a lovely idea. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
When Greenglow ended, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
the hope of mastering gravity seemed to end with it. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
If that was ever going to change, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
we needed to go much deeper into how gravity actually worked. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
Our understanding of gravity | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
has come down from Galileo, Newton and Einstein... | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
..from observations rooted in the motions of the heavens. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
Now, those same heavens seem to be showing us something | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
that looks remarkably like antigravity. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
There are phenomena out there associated with gravity | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
that have led us to rethink a lot about our universe. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
If you look at distant galaxies, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
they're moving away from us as we expect | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
because the universe began with this big bang | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
and everything's being thrown outwards, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
but one would expect that the gravity of everything | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
would eventually start slowing that down. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
Instead, what's actually been measured, it's a huge surprise, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
is that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
It's a puzzle that has stumped both theoretical physicists | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
like Clifford Johnson | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
and cosmologists like Tamara Davis, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
because gravity seems to be doing | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
the one thing we always assumed it couldn't. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
Gravity appears to be pushing. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Something's accelerating the galaxies away from each other. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
That's as strange as if I took this ball, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
just gently threw it in the air | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
and watched it accelerate off into space. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Scientists call the force that is doing this pushing dark energy, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:50 | |
estimated to account for roughly 70% of the universe. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
So dark energy has some sort of antigravity | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
and it pushes the galaxies apart. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
The idea that the universe has some inherent form of antigravity | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
is tantalising. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
If only we could get our hands on it. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
The problem is no-one knows what this antigravity force actually is. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
Only that it seems to originate from space itself. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Although we think of space as this emptiness, the absence of stuff, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
it actually isn't. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
There is something that's intrinsic to the nature of space that | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
imparted an energy. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
And one of the big mysteries is where has that energy come from? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
A number of scientists think the answer to this big question | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
could lie-in the very small, the very, very, very small world | 0:40:50 | 0:40:57 | |
of subatomic particles. Quantum physics. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
According to current quantum theory, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
particles can spontaneously appear from nowhere. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
Apparently they just pop into existence in the vacuum of space. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
Matter and antimatter, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
which because they are opposites cancel each other out in an instant. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
The lifetime is 1,000th | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
of one billionth of one billionth of a second. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
We are now in an ocean of particle-antiparticle pairs | 0:41:34 | 0:41:40 | |
permanently appearing and disappearing. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
Dr Dragan Hajdukovic thinks something else happens to these | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
particles to produce an antigravity effect. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
For the briefest moment of their existence, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
these particles can be polarised like iron filings. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
The trouble is to get it in a random orientation. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
If there is a magnetic field, the random orientation will change. Yes. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:16 | |
According to Dragan, in the same way iron filings respond to a magnet... | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
..pairs of quantum particles respond to mass... | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
..with matter and antimatter pairs briefly orienting themselves | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
in relation to that mass. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
Matter is attracted to the positive mass of a planet or a star | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
while antimatter is repelled by it. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Dragan believes this creates a halo of antigravity dark energy | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
around every mass in the universe. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
All these haloes together has negative pressure, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
what is exactly what we need | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
in cosmological equations to produce the accelerated | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
expansion of the universe. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
It means that there are both positive | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
and negative rotational charges. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
So far, we know that gravity is an attraction. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
It may be that gravity is also a repulsion but not between matter | 0:43:23 | 0:43:30 | |
and matter but between matter and antimatter. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Dragan's theory that the key to antigravity | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
lies in antimatter is actually going to be tested... | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
..here in the world's biggest physics lab at CERN in Switzerland. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:52 | |
Not in the famous Large Hadron Collider, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
but in the improbably named Antimatter Factory... | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
..at its Alpha experiment. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
A team led by Jeffrey Hangst is building a machine that, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
in a couple of years, will answer one of the biggest questions | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
in gravity research. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
Does antimatter fall down or up? | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
The first step is to make antimatter particles of hydrogen. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:31 | |
We start here with this beamline. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
That provides the nucleus of the antihydrogen atom, the antiprotons. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
They come through here at a reasonably high energy | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
and get stopped inside this magnet which is where the actual | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
antihydrogen will be formed and trapped. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
The next step will be to test how antimatter reacts | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
to the Earth's gravity. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:55 | |
OK, so this machine can trap and release antihydrogen | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
but it's not ideal for gravity. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
What we want to do now is take a machine like this | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
and turn it on its head so we can actually see | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
the freefall of the antimatter that is released. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
If Dragan is right then the antihydrogen will fall up | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
and somebody wins a Nobel Prize, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
that's for sure, and we have to rewrite a lot of textbooks. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
Hi, Dragan. Welcome. Come on in. Let's take a look at this machine. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
Alpha is part of CERN's ongoing exploration into the nature | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
of matter and gravity. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
Right now, what we are doing is we're routinely | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
trapping antihydrogen. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
But for Dragan Hajdukovic, it will be made or break. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
If he is right, creating antigravity on Earth | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
is at least a theoretical possibility. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
One of the big theoretical objections to gravity control was | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
always that, unlike electromagnetism, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
gravity had no negative form. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
Yet evidence from the cosmos seems to suggest that negative gravity | 0:46:11 | 0:46:16 | |
does exist. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:17 | |
To bring it down to Earth, however, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
seems to require some form of negative entity. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
Dragan Hajdukovic thinks it could be antimatter. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
Whereas Dr Martin Tajmar believes the best option would be to use | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
negative mass. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
So let's imagine something that we can all imagine. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
Let's say we have positive mass. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
Positive mass means if I'm pushing | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
positive mass, it always accelerates in the same | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
direction as I am pushing. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:57 | |
Let's imagine something magical. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
Let's imagine we have positive | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
and we have negative mass. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
They will attract each other. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
Now, the positive mass is attracted here | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
and it accelerates in the very same direction. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
The negative is attracted over there, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
but because it is negative mass, it accelerates over there. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
So they both would start to accelerate in one direction, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:24 | |
the direction of the negative mass. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
According to Martin, negative mass is the perfect way to create | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
the ultimate gravity propulsion device - | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
a warp drive. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
Imagine the positive and negative mass. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
That together creates a self accelerating structure. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
We can make a spacecraft with that, that can get any speed we want. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
Now, if this is all sounding a tiny bit speculative, | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Martin believes there is experimental evidence to back it up. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
The principle of self acceleration has actually already been | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
demonstrated in the lab. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
Here you see that positive and negative light particles | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
are coming together | 0:48:10 | 0:48:11 | |
and when they come together, they always move, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
they self accelerate towards the negative position. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
That's an optical warp drive. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
It demonstrates that self acceleration is possible. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
Is it impossible to go to the next star? I don't think so. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
Impossible means it's not possible now. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
We just have to invent the magic trick. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
For Martin, the concept of negative mass is more than just | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
a clever theory. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
It's the key to conquering gravity. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
But even if negative mass could be manufactured and harnessed to | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
power a warp drive, many scientists think it would be | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
impossible to use... | 0:48:58 | 0:48:59 | |
..because of Einstein's theory of gravity. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
From Einstein's perspective, a mass actually distorts | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
the fabric of space and time or space-time as it is called. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:17 | |
That distortion is rather like a well. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
So here's another object that is moving nearby | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
our mass that has bent space time | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
and as it goes past, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:30 | |
it bends towards the massive object. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
But a negative mass would be, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
in our analogy here, something like | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
a mound instead of a depression | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
and then you run into problems. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
The problem, according to Einstein, is that using a negative mass | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
would mean inverting space-time, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
effectively turning the fabric of the universe inside out. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
And what you end up with is something that is called | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
a runaway problem. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:02 | |
You have physics that is just running out of control. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
It'll accelerate away arbitrarily with zero cost of energy | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
and, if that were really happening anywhere in the universe, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
we'd see it spectacularly becoming an unstable situation. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
That's been proposed by other people | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
as an actual solution to the problem. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
That's hilarious. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
If Clifford Johnson and other theoretical physicists are right, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
antigravity propulsion will remain an unworkable dream. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
It seems the laws of physics simply don't allow it. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
At least, not as we understand those laws today. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
Because, just as Galileo gave way to Newton | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
and Newton gave way to Einstein, | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
theories do change. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
And, in the meantime... | 0:51:16 | 0:51:17 | |
well, the engineers get on with doing what engineers do - | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
build new kinds of propulsion. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:21 | |
Today, that includes NASA. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
At the Glenn Research Laboratory in Ohio, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
work is underway to produce new forms of space engine... | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
..ones that really could take us where rockets can't - | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
beyond our solar system. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
What we have here is a high-powered ion thruster | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
and the way it produces thrust is ions are created inside this ring | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
and then we establish electrostatic potential | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
that accelerates these ions out | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
and produces large velocities | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
and what that does is it gives us very efficient production of thrust. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
This is an ion thruster under test | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
putting out a constant stream of charged particles. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
It's less powerful than a rocket | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
but capable of accelerating a spacecraft | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
almost indefinitely. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
These systems are ideal for in space. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
You know, we operate them purely in space because it's very gentle. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
You know, the thrust level is low | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
but, over time, you can develop much higher velocities | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
than you can with chemical rockets. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
NASA's focus is on space propulsion | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
beyond the Earth's gravitation. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
Yet there is a propulsion concept | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
that aims to revolutionise all of aerospace, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
resurrected from the days of project Greenglow. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
It's Roger Shawyer's microwave thruster, | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
the EmDrive. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:02 | |
Ten years ago, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:05 | |
it was unproven technology. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
This is a newer, bigger model under test. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
Balanced on a pivot, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:14 | |
Roger claims it is moving | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
under its own steam. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
The thrust is coming out in this direction | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
and it is pushing the whole rig in a counterclockwise direction. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:28 | |
It's moving 100kg of mass exactly as it would | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
if it was a satellite in weightless conditions. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
According to Roger, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:39 | |
this model generates 9g of thrust, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
equivalent to NASA's ion thruster, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
but he hopes to make an EmDrive capable of generating | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
a thrust of nine tonnes. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
Nine tonnes will be used to lift and accelerate vertically | 0:53:51 | 0:53:57 | |
any air vehicle we wish. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
A true revolution. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:01 | |
EmDrive is still at the concept stage, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
but, if it turns out it really does work, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
no-one wants to miss out on its potential. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
In the United States, a number of corporations and government agencies | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
have recently sat up and taken notice, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
led by this man. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
Colonel Coyote Smith is the former head of Dream Works. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
Not the movie company | 0:54:40 | 0:54:41 | |
but something even more powerful - | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
a future concepts department | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
in the Pentagon's National Security Space Office. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
The potential is so great, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
if I did not bring this to the attention | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
of the scientific community inside the US | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
that works inside space programme, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
oh, I would have been fired. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
That's just absolutely the type of technology | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
that we have to track down, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:04 | |
these revolutionary breakthroughs. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
Now, all the physicists disclaimed it | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
but the ironic thing is, when I took it to the engineering community, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
they didn't care why it worked, they were just interested that it worked. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
Ten years ago, Project Greenglow ended | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
and Ron Evans thought official gravity research had ended with it. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
But today he's been invited to witness | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
a unique gravitational breakthrough. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
When Ron first began his gravity research, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
it started with a question - | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
could gravity be used to detect aircraft | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
that were invisible to radar? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
In the 1980s, our complete inability to work with gravity | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
made it impossible. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
But today Ron is meeting someone who says he's done it. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
This time, there are no covert meetings. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
He's going inside the Ministry of Defence research laboratory | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
at Porton Down. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Ron, good morning. Welcome to the Defence Science and Technology. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
Neil Stansfield heads a department here | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
that looks at what they call disruptive technology. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
And they have taken a potential step on the road to gravity control | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
using quantum engineering. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
So, what we have here is our quantum gravity gradiometer. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
It's a small system. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
At the heart of the device, we have a vacuum chamber. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
The sensor uses lasers to freeze a cloud of atoms. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
This cloud responds to disturbance in the Earth's gravitational field | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
caused by moving mass. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
The atoms, they're sensitive enough to detect the mass of my body | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
at a range of about one metre. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
-So your gravitational field is affecting this device. -Yes. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
This is the first time Ron has seen anyone actively using gravity. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
To me, this is amazing technology. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Getting into the quantum, that's really allowing us to do things | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
that were just unbelievable 30 years ago. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
Yes, some people use the phrase, "They break the laws of physics." | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
I prefer to say they break the laws of physics | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
as we understand them today. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
100 years ago, we didn't understand the quantum physics. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
The idea of being able to measure changes in gravity, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
-science fiction, could never happen. Today, we can. -Yes. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
And possibly even gravitational propulsion | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
might be a possibility in the future. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
It may be. Yeah. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
I have ideas. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
It could be that we've got something. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
Certainly, I see this as a start. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
There's no doubt in my mind the UK is really at the forefront of this. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
Ron Evans's mission to control gravity began here, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
in a cold, wet corner of Lancashire | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
where people go to live their dreams, | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
where no-one ever worried about the word impossible. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
For Ron Evans, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
gravity control is just something we haven't learned to do... | 0:58:19 | 0:58:23 | |
yet. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
I'm sure we will one day. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:26 | |
It's just a matter of time. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 |