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'This week, on my journey of a lifetime, we're heading west | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
'for all that's shiny and new, a California state of mind.' | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
More than anywhere else in the world, California attracts odd, offbeat religions. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:21 | |
Relax... Big breaths. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
'My 50 years, and counting, of travel around Whicker's world | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
'has taught me that, if anything's going to happen, chances are it'll happen here first.' | 0:00:32 | 0:00:39 | |
Gay power! | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
-Would you go with more than one man in an evening? -Sometimes. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Kill him! | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Duck! | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
Bang, and I shot him right between the eyes. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
'Remember, California's said to be just a few years ahead of the world outside so, for the rest of us, | 0:00:56 | 0:01:03 | |
'is this the way it's gonna be?' | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Mr Whicker, there you go. Thank you very much. And you'll see that it is gate 46B, 1.45 they start boarding. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:42 | |
The last time I flew from Los Angeles to San Francisco, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
I experienced a very unhappy event in a traveller's life, and that is my luggage was stolen. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:56 | |
To be fair to airlines, it's the only time in 50 years of travel that that has happened to me, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:03 | |
and it happened because I had my attache case, as I normally do, on the top of our luggage. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:09 | |
We'd arrived in San Francisco and we were waiting for the car to come round to pick us up. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:16 | |
We were chatting normally and a bunch of Ecuadorians, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
who were then working the airport, came by very cleverly, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
saw we were talking there, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
covered this for themselves, two of them. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
The other one just picked up the case and went. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Now...that meant that I had | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
no passport, no papers, no tickets, no money, no nothing, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
and you're very isolated, and you feel very lonely at a time like that | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
because the first thing any American says to you about anything is, "Show me your identity," | 0:02:43 | 0:02:50 | |
and you say, "Well, I haven't got identity because those fellas have just taken it away." | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
Today, I'm sure we're going to be luckier, and I'm going to keep an eye on that case. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
MUSIC: "I Left My Heart In San Francisco" | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
California, that monstrous stretch of the American imagination, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
is a vigorous and blatant land of achievers and escapists, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
where all America's promises and problems are exposed and exaggerated. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
New York may be the melting pot of Europe, but Los Angeles and | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
San Francisco, these upstart meccas on the Pacific, deal with America. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:47 | |
The state looks back upon the rest of the world with cool indifference. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
Since the early '60s, I've regularly flown out to the coast to film, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
always with delight and apprehension, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
for this is where the New World really begins, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
where they spawn every fad and fancy the rest of us adopt within five or ten years. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:08 | |
When last I brought Whicker's World here, I feared that, after the endless exposure on television, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:14 | |
viewers might finally have had California, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
yet our series reached number one in ratings | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
which suggests an insatiable appetite for the goings-on | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
in this lavish, loony place on America's far-out fringe. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
MUSIC: San Francisco by Scott MacKenzie | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
In 1967, we heard of an explosion of multi-coloured psychedelic exuberance in San Francisco. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:43 | |
Flower power was born in a spirit of gentle innocence, lightly touched by drugs. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:50 | |
Our film was greeted with surprise and incomprehension. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
BBC executives, unfamiliar with love-ins, would stop me in the corridors and ask, "What's a hippy?" | 0:04:53 | 0:05:01 | |
The Haight-Ashbury community has created the council for a summer of love in San Francisco. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
Within the Haight-Ashbury population, there are many strata of imaginative and creative energies | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
whose spirit extends throughout San Francisco and the world. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
We call upon the world to help us celebrate the infinite holiness of life. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
We ask all who come here to come here in love, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
and we ask all who live here to greet all men with love. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
'Despite the BBC's horror of drugs, hippy drug-taking was so widespread it could not be ignored.' | 0:05:31 | 0:05:38 | |
Among the giant redwoods, Chet Helm sets off on an acid trip. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
The tablets will hit within 45 minutes. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Their effects last eight hours. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Though illegal, anyone bent on a trip can still take one if he has the fare, today about 30 shillings. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:56 | |
LSD, an acid derived from a fungus, is colourless, odourless, tasteless and undetectable. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:03 | |
Once swallowed, it's all in the mind. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
LSD is not a means of instant wisdom or universal bliss, nor an indication of national decadence. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:12 | |
We've got some more acid over here if you want to go ahead and drop it. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
Dropping acid can bring utter peace or utter panic. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
Nobody knows how LSD changes the programming of the brain, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
but it releases a flood of sensory signals and overloads the mind with sensation. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
We're in the depths of something here. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Who knows what they see now, on their kaleidoscopic trip to the unknown dangers of inner space? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:38 | |
Now we'll do it with a little jump, so it's like this. And... | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
'But of course, not all hippies were into drugs. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
'Vito's young wife Sue seemed satisfied with some deep breathing.' | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
Relaxation. Relaxation. Relaxation. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:56 | |
For immediate energy from our muscles, and relaxation, relaxation, relaxation, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
to get the carbon dioxide out for more relaxation, relaxation, big breaths. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:08 | |
You don't take LSD, do you? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Oh, no, we never have tried it. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
We don't want to fool around too much with chemicals, and eliminate all the wrongs from our life, like sugar. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:20 | |
But don't you find that most of the hippies are on LSD? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Oh, so many of my friends have just ruined themselves. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
I tell them it's a military plot! | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Don't the hippies who take LSD and pot, don't they think you're pretty square? | 0:07:30 | 0:07:37 | |
No, indeed. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
Because the minute they look at me, I convince them | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
that I'm for real and I'm happy and they would love to be this way. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
'Smoking a joint on-camera was something unheard of.' | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
Spin the joint. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
There is dope in the community house | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
of one of San Francisco's psychedelic pop groups, the Grateful Dead, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
tonight getting high without losing cool, smoking marijuana, the mild stimulant known as pot or grass. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:10 | |
In this new hang-loose world, hippy philosophy and drugs swing together, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
lightly connected by a lover's knot say those who turn on, by obscene manacles say the rest of the world. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:22 | |
In the States, pot is going middle-class and spreading like prohibition liquor. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
As more and more citizens get zonked out of their minds, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
the drug cult enters the bloodstream of American life. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Like it or not, we're living in the stoned age. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
'The BBC was acutely fearful of the impact of LSD. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
'Mick Jagger had just been busted by the Kent police so, for the first and last time, transmission | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
'of Whicker's World was delayed until the story cooled, when they slipped it out very late at night. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:59 | |
'Hard to believe now there was ever a time when drugs and drug problems were not commonplace.' | 0:09:07 | 0:09:14 | |
That was the summer of love, a short outburst of happiness that lasted only a few months. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:26 | |
When I returned here a year later, the flowers and innocence had died. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:33 | |
'On my 1968 tour, we studied the new American lifestyle. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
'In Los Angeles, they boasted about the first computer dating agency, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
'promising unlimited partners to satisfy your precise measurements and interests.' | 0:09:48 | 0:09:56 | |
Hello, my name is Alan Whicker... | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
RECORDED MESSAGE: Thank you for calling Human Inventory. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
Maybe you've had a divorce or maybe you have not yet married. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
In any case, if you're like most unattached people, you'd like to meet | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
members of the opposite sex who are attractive to you. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
They must satisfy your level of expectation, share your interests | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
and have personality traits that are agreeable with yours. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
What do you truly enjoy...? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
If you can match men to jobs, they say, why not men to women? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Certainly, the old-fashioned way of meeting and mating is not proving too successful. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
One in every four American marriages ends in divorce. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
In California, there are more divorces than marriages. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
We select friends for you who are worthy of your background and accomplishment. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
They are chosen in accordance with your needs, then we keep on doing this for you month after month... | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
This is the part of the process, Alan, where we make selections for you from our inventory of women. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:54 | |
-Good, good. -And we shall be doing a better job of selecting women for you in just a few minutes | 0:10:54 | 0:11:01 | |
than you could do if you lived two or three lifetimes. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
So we put that on top there. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
All those are the proper height. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
All women under 5'6" are in this card, so we put that on top there. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
People with low outdoor interests - you have low outdoor interests, correct? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
We want that to be alike and so therefore we put that low outdoor interests card on there. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:24 | |
That cuts down quite a number of people. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
We have here high aesthetic interest. Let's put that on. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
Now, as we put that on, that's going to cut down people to quite an extent | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
because I'd say there's a minority of people who have as high an aesthetic interest as you have. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:42 | |
So therefore, let's see what we have in the way of selections for you. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
The first one we would select for you here is number 7670. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
The next one is 5014. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
The next one is 3414. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
There can be a difference of course between specification and the actual model. It was an anxious time. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:04 | |
My first date could be anyone for those tests concerned obscure facets | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
like nurture and support, and social extroversion. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
The computer produces the phone numbers but you have to generate your own sparks. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
I was introduced to a man... who, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
in the course of our conversation, told me that he had read a book. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
A book? Well, you didn't do too well on your first draw from the computer, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
and you've obviously had a bit of a nasty shock today, what will you do in future? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:42 | |
Oh, well, I would never consider, um... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
-being involved again. -You wouldn't? -No. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
'I decided that, on balance, I might do better on my own. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
'On the same tour, having dealt with love, I looked at death, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
'with a discovery of a phenomenon which seemed truly out of this world.' | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
We're all going this way one day. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
For 6,000 years, man has accepted the finality of physical death | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
and, when it comes, he goes to a familiar grave. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
But today, for those who see the prospect of immortality, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
there's a new and less permanent resting place. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Here in California's San Fernando Valley, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
the start of a silent revolution which could affect the future of the world - | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
the first of the die-now, live-later group, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
men and women frozen solid in their cylinders, waiting for the future... | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
..and, they believe, cheating death. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
In cryonic suspension, the body is preserved against natural decay. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
Every cell, every bacterium is frozen. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
You won't get better, but you won't get any worse. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
Then, at some future date, when science has learned how, you can be thawed out, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
diseased organs replaced, and rejuvenated for your second life. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
Do you regard this lady as dead? | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Well, she's certainly dead. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
There's no question about that. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
She's dead in any legal or medical sense that we have. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
She is clinically dead. Now, you could say she isn't biologically dead because the cells haven't continued | 0:14:27 | 0:14:35 | |
to deteriorate past the point of clinical death. In other words, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
she hasn't started to rot or decay in any way. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
I've heard talk of freezatoriums for 200 patients. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
Yes, mm-hmm. That's, um...I'd say a conservative figure. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
I would say it'd be more realistic to think in terms of 500 or more. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
Now you're bringing a capsule down here? | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
A multiple storage vessel will be placed in this facility right here. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
The worry is that you're going to be reanimated as a zombie, isn't it? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Well, people's minds can imagine a lot of different possible problems. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:16 | |
I'm also hearing stories that Walt Disney has been frozen. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
There were persistent rumours and his studio had contacted the society at one time for information, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:25 | |
and there was no question about the fact that he did want to be frozen. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Apart from Mr Disney, are you awaiting any other famous freezees? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Peter Sellers has had extensive communication with the Cryonic Society and indicated his interest. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:39 | |
'The cost of preserving frozen corpses in the now prime real estate | 0:15:39 | 0:15:45 | |
'of the San Fernando Valley became too expensive. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
'The Cryonic Society closed down in the early '70s, when plugs were pulled, bodies defrosted | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
'and returned to relatives for conventional burial.' | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
'The west coast of America has always been the birth-place of new movements. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
'For decades, California has been home to openly gay America, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
'with San Francisco's Castro district its throbbing heart.' | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
# Street life It's the only life I know | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
# You let the people see just who you wanna be... # | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
'Back in '73, Whicker's World featured a gay religious group, the Metropolitan Community Church, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:34 | |
'who were the first to conduct homosexual marriages.' | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
ORGAN PLAYS | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
A serving chief petty officer of the San Diego United States naval air station, Edward S Brendon, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:47 | |
is about to marry a hotel receptionist, Joseph L Brown. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
'We watched a gay wedding at the Chollas View Community Church in San Diego.' | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
Dearly beloved, we have come together in this house of the Lord to bear witness to the blessing of the union | 0:16:56 | 0:17:02 | |
of Ed and Joe who present themselves before God and this company. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
'Though the ceremony wasn't recognised by law, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
'it did offer the first gay kiss to be seen on British television, which seemed ardent enough. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:16 | |
'We then moved on to Malibu... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
'to join a vocal MCC meeting.' | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Gay Power! | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Gay Power! | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
'We now forget the intense feeling that was aroused by Gay Power which came close to home | 0:17:33 | 0:17:41 | |
'when one member of the Whicker's World team was so alarmed by my decision to film gay action | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
'that he retreated to bed with a diplomatic cold | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
'and only emerged with relief a while later when the filming was over. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
'Some people showed their feelings in more violent ways.' | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
Arsonists set fire to this first MCC church in Los Angeles and to another gay church at San Francisco. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:07 | |
This church was founded five years ago by a young minister from Florida | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
who'd been expelled from his Pentecostal church | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
for leaving his wife and children and admitting he was gay. The Reverend Troy Perry. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
We'd had some experiences this last year with people becoming more militant | 0:18:19 | 0:18:26 | |
in their actions against the homosexual community in this country. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
'A few weeks before our filming, 32 men had been burned to death in a gay-church fire in New Orleans.' | 0:18:31 | 0:18:38 | |
The police are saying they don't find any evidence that it was arson, but I've heard that story before. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
I know good and well that, if it'd been 50 or even 30 individuals who were prominent | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
in the community in New Orleans, outside of our community, they would be turning that town upside down | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
trying to find out what happened, but I heard the comments that were made - | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
faggot, queer, pervert, child molesters! | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
And you know something - I've learned to hate those kind of labels. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
But praise God, with God's help, we won't be afraid any more! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Homosexuals are black, they're brown, they're white, they're millionaires, they're paupers, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
they're ditch-diggers, they're presidents, they're whatever, and as a result of that, you don't have... | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
It's easier for a gay person to cross over and be a heterosexual for the day, if he has to be. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:40 | |
'I called on Troy Perry again after some 30 years. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
'He now lives with his partner in Silver Lake, a suburb of Los Angeles, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
'where I went to hear about the impact of our original programme.' | 0:19:48 | 0:19:54 | |
I had friends from Great Britain that I called who were involved | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
with a church there that was thinking about coming into our denomination. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
When I called them, they said, "Well, be very careful." | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
They said, "He's a great interviewer but sometimes his questions can be tough." | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
Once the programme was shown, I called my friends in Great Britain. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
They broke down crying and said, "You don't know how encouraging... | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
"This is the first time in Great Britain that there has ever been | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
"a positive TV show that showed gay people just as they are." | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
Because there are so many of you, you're beginning to feel your political muscle. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Yes, that's correct. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:35 | |
As a minority group, I think you should become more organised. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
Once you wake up and you realise the system is the system because you permit it to be that way. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
Yet, of course, no oppressed minority is ever content until it converts the majority! | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
No, that's true. And yet we...though you CAN convert the majority. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
I think the blacks in this country have converted the majority, and I think that's true, yes. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
There's no way as a minority group that we'll ever stop | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
until we at least have people looking at us and saying, "OK, what makes you different from anyone else?" | 0:21:01 | 0:21:07 | |
And saying to them. "Well, not really anything, other than what we pick for a love object." | 0:21:07 | 0:21:13 | |
Notice I didn't say sex object but love object. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
And in my case, in my bedroom, I happen to like vanilla ice cream and you like chocolate. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
What are your ultimate goals? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Oh, we want to see the laws changed. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
We want to educate the public. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Politically, we want to certainly see qualified homosexuals run for office and win. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:35 | |
I think the time's coming. There was a time in this country when they said blacks could never win but they did, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
and it'll happen in this country too, and it'll happen first in California. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
'In 2008, California became the first state where any gay American can legally get married, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:54 | |
'a significant step in Troy Perry's campaign.' | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
It's very important to me because I come from a very moral family who taught me to go to church, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:04 | |
to go to Sunday school, and they said, "Get married," | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
and for me it was one of the most important things in my life. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
When I asked Philip to marry me, though we'd been together for 18 years, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
you don't know how emotional that was for me. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
-I've been living with my partner for more than 30 years and we're not married... -Yes. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
..and I feel no sense of loss in that. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Right. I say to gay folks and to heterosexuals, "I know there are folks who are not going to marry, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
"and that's perfectly all right to me. But for God's sake, don't stop me from marrying because I want to." | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
It means we're being treated like everybody else. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
That's all I've ever asked for in my fight. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
I don't ask for any more but I refuse to settle for anything less | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
than what every other citizen in this country and our constitution says you can have. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
# And if our backs should ever be against the wall | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
# We'll be together...# | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
It'll be there. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
The Lord is my shepherd and he knows I'm gay. Amen! | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
# We'll be together... # | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
'Sadly for Troy Perry, that legislation on gay marriage was subsequently overturned. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:14 | |
'In '79, I returned to San Francisco to film two programmes around its new police force. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:35 | |
'These showed how the city's diverse population was now reflected by its guardians. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:44 | |
'Almost 30 years ago, the SFPD, protecting the most liberal of cities in the most liberal of states | 0:23:44 | 0:23:50 | |
'had just begun to recruit women and gays.' | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Though, as often happens, the minority trail's been blazed by women. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
The first police women sworn in five years ago were given the same duties and pay, same status and training, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
even, unfortunately, the same uniforms as men. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
'I spent a couple of weeks with the police, chasing villains up and down those famous hillsides, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
'dodging hoodlums and trams.' | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
-SIREN WAILS -Any description of a suspect? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
There's no description. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
'If I hadn't been on the scene and running with the cops, viewers would doubtless have believed | 0:24:32 | 0:24:39 | |
'our nightly dramas were really Starsky and Hutch, or even Kojak!' | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
You are five foot nothing. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Do you strike fear into a wrong-doer when you appear or do they laugh at you or...? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
I have never had anyone laugh at me. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
A lot of people, just from the mere fact that you are a police officer | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
will either respect you or disrespect you, regardless if you're a man or a woman. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
Oh, come here. Oh... | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
What happened to you, huh? | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
-Oh, I'm so scared. -Sit down, sit down. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
Here. Sit down. Sit down over here. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
Just sit right there. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
Get us a code 3408... | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Who did that to you? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-Did somebody rip off your dope and beat you up? -They had dope but they... | 0:25:28 | 0:25:35 | |
Just hang in there, partner, it's all right. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
I've known that guy for a long time. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
He's an old dope dealer but he's a really nice old guy. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
He's bleeding, in shock, he was totally... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
His name is Pop Davies. I asked him that and, you know, maybe he got burned or who knows why? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
You just never know. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
The victims are... | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
Half the time, they're the suspects, you know. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Next day they're the victim. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Less dangerous but perhaps equally distasteful, Patrol Officer Mary-Ann on duty. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:11 | |
She's on the prostitution detail, guarded by two back-up men. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
Right, you want a date? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
What do you want to do on the date? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Sex. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
Making love. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
The police here arrest whores and their clients, the johns, the tricks. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
Once he's offered money and solicited prostitution, the arm of the law reaches out. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
Her back-ups are a real-life Starsky and Hutch. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
Now, with the best will in the world, I find myself rather sorry for these johns. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
It's just a couple of guys on their way home and they want to go to bed | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
with a girl, and the next minute, they find themselves handcuffed. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
Yeah, well, a lot of times the girls out here will take them up into the hotel rooms and they'll rip them off | 0:26:51 | 0:26:58 | |
and beat them up or their pimps will jump out of the closet and beat them up or something. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
Really, some of them we've probably saved from losing a lot more money and everything else, you know, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
that they might have if they go into these places. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
And then again, some of these guys turn around and get the whores up to the rooms | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
and beat them up and take what little they've got too. It's not just a victimless crime. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
Even in San Francisco's enlightened police department, no woman has yet risen to the rank of sergeant. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
Officer Maureen, now under cover, understands why. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
We were forced to have to prove ourselves. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
From the first day we were sworn in, we were told, "You're not gonna make it." | 0:27:34 | 0:27:40 | |
I have mixed emotions whether we can do it or not. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
I can do 99% of the job on the street, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
but when that 1% comes up, somebody is going to get hurt, whether it be the woman or the woman's partner. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:53 | |
-You're just a weak and feeble woman. Is that what you're saying? -Sure! | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
I can't walk to my car at night because I'm just a little, feeble lady! Someone might mug me. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:04 | |
I wear a uniform and pack a gun, but I'm still a woman. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
'That "feeble woman" is now a homicide inspector | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
'and, since 2004, the SFPD has had its first woman police chief.' | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
Now you're in homicide. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
-That's right. -And that's the toughest and the bloodiest of all. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
It's certainly the bloodiest and they say it is the toughest, but it was my dream. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
When I came into the police academy back in 1975 and we were being trained, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:35 | |
and those homicide inspectors that came in to train us, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
they probably had 25 years in the business, so they were ancient. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:45 | |
And when they came in in their three-piece suits with their watch chains across their vests | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
and they were telling their war stories, I just sat there with eyes wide open | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
and said that's what I wanted to do some day. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
Would you have believed back in '79 at our first interview | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
that there was going to be a woman police chief? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Yes, because it was just... something that was going to have to happen sooner or later, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:13 | |
in very much the same way we almost had a woman | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
running for President in the United States this election period. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
So it was just a matter of time. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
They could beat us down in the beginning a little bit, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
but if we were strong enough, which I believed, and nasty enough to hang in there, out of sheer spite, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:34 | |
and our character... I never thought I would be a strong woman, you know, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
somebody that would fight for my rights, but you just had to hang in there and have the guts | 0:29:39 | 0:29:45 | |
and the determination to ride the wave and it would eventually be your turn. And it came to be true. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:52 | |
Let's take a hike. Let's go. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
'The two Whicker's Worlds which followed our weeks with the San Francisco Police | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
'were afterwards used as instructional films by police academies across America.' | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
Be cool or you'll end up on your fuckin' ass. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
-..You wanna check me, I've got nothing on me. -You have no ID? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
If you have ID, we can cite you. If you don't, you're going to have to go to jail. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
'On this visit, I was honoured by a massed parade of recruits in training at the police academy.' | 0:30:18 | 0:30:24 | |
Recruits, I want to introduce to you Mr Alan Whicker who's come from the United Kingdom | 0:30:24 | 0:30:31 | |
to take a look at something he looked at 30 years ago, and I wanted to take the opportunity today | 0:30:31 | 0:30:38 | |
to tell him how great we are, because every community is represented in this department. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
The recruits nowadays go through nearly a year's worth of training. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
And what age? From what to what? | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
Well, their ages run - you'd be interested in this - | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
they start as young as 21 and the oldest I can think of was 54 when he graduated from police academy. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:03 | |
Then I was reunited with my class of '79. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
CHEERING Welcome back! | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
Wow. Wow. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
I got the pretty ones, you see? | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Oh, that's very kind. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
Do you remember us? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
I remember you, of course, so well. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
I wonder how that happened?! | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Yes, hello, sir. Mindy Pringle. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
-Nice to meet you again. -Judy Purcell. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
-Hello, Judy. Of course, I've got loads of cuttings about you and your performance. -It's good to see you. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
-Marnie McDowell. -Hello. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:43 | |
Mary-Ann, the prostitute. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
-Stefan Thorn. -Ah, Stefan. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Yes, nice to see you again. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
'Some had changed more than others. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'When we first met, Stefan was Stephanie.' | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
I can remember you seven months ago, when you were trying to get in, you were a very aggressive lesbian, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
you were wearing a "super dyke" T-shirt. You've got much more gentle now you're a cop. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:11 | |
Well... | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
that depends. Uh... | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
-I mean, you're not joining us, are you? -No. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
I am a woman, I am a lesbian, and that identity...I will never let go of my identity and my ideals. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:29 | |
'Since I last saw them, many of my recruits have become senior officers.' | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
You have to be a little bit of an adrenalin junkie to have done this job, in particular for all of us, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:42 | |
um...as women and Stefan as our first transgender, I mean, you... | 0:32:42 | 0:32:49 | |
It's something that, in our normal lives prior to coming in, we weren't used to, and, um... | 0:32:49 | 0:32:55 | |
But I think we all got bit. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
I think, once you got that in your blood and that adrenalin was going, it was really quite thrilling. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:04 | |
The most significant change to law enforcement was integration - | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
integration bringing women, sexual minorities, racial minorities... | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
bringing everyone in to the ranks of law enforcement had the most profound impact. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:20 | |
It has radically, I think, changed the culture, the police culture. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
'We moved on from San Francisco to look at the dominant role of guns in American life. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:38 | |
'The right to bear arms is enshrined in the American constitution, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
'but that proliferation brings with it the growing threat of violence and death.' | 0:33:43 | 0:33:50 | |
Today, the threatening shadow cast across the world's most ridiculed, most envied outpost | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
is the everyday dread of casual violence. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Los Angeles lost its innocence ten years ago after the mass killings by the Charles Manson Family. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
You have a problem. This man only needs that much time to kill you | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
so you only have that much time to respond. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
Ready! | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
Point, fire! Point, fire! | 0:34:13 | 0:34:14 | |
Point, fire! Point, fire! | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
'We spent a week in a basement in Glendale watching frightened people learn how to kill.' | 0:34:16 | 0:34:23 | |
All you've got to do get a bullet in the man's chest. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
You've got to kill him. Ready? | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Go! | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
Take your time. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
Each one of them had survived some challenge by an armed thug intent upon wounding or killing, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:42 | |
and these people were determined they would never be victims again. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
If it's necessary, you've got to blow some sucker's chest out. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
One would expect that a doctor would be concerned with saving life, not learning how to kill. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:57 | |
-What brought you here? -We had a very, very serious accident a little over a year ago | 0:34:57 | 0:35:04 | |
when I was putting some things in the trunk of my car after making rounds at the hospital which I attend. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:12 | |
A fellow came up to me and, as I slowly turned around and asked him, "What the hell do you want?" | 0:35:12 | 0:35:19 | |
he shot me. Shot me in the chest. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
The bullet went in a downward position where it went through my liver and renal artery and kidney. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
Right now you look in fairly good shape. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Well, it took months of recovery. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
So now you've come here to learn to shoot first? | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
So it never happens again. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
I was very avidly against guns | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
and I've never allowed a gun or anything in the house, but I feel differently now. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:48 | |
I don't ever wish to be in that position, and it's taken me a lot of guts to come here! | 0:35:48 | 0:35:54 | |
Go! | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
'I joined a Wild West training session and got closer to the action than I intended.' | 0:36:00 | 0:36:06 | |
Go! Move! Go into the water. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
-What's the matter with you? Go! -Duck! | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
-Was that a duck? -No, it was me. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
I didn't mean that at you. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
That was me who'd to duck. Well done. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
This is the judge, checking up on your... | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
-Handiwork. -..your handiwork. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
-How's she doing? -She scored a nine and a zero. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
A nine and a miss. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
That means you're dead again. When you get psyched up like this, you're quite excited, really. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:46 | |
Isn't this the kind of thing...? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
-Aren't you going to go out on the streets looking for a target? -No. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
I'll be more aware, you know. You never know who's going to crawl up and grab you or something. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
It's constant fear but that's what today is nowadays - fear. You don't know who's going to do what. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:04 | |
Carol and Russell O'Rear know all about self-defence for they run | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
that most popular target for stick-up men looking for ready cash at night - a liquor store. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
However, it seems some little old ladies can look after themselves. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
This fellow, a white fellow, came in, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
nobody around. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
Just me and him. He came in the store and I was kind of jittery. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
It seems like your heart beats when you see something like that. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
He came in the store and I said, "Can I help you?" | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
And he says, "I want a pack of cigarettes, a pack of Camel." | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
When I went to pick up the Camels, here he had a 9mm German Luger automatic. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
I tell you, I just froze when I saw that. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
I thought, "He's gonna shoot me in the back of the head." | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
So, er...so then finally... He said, "Get down on the floor." | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
The floor was so darn dirty, I wasn't going to get down on the floor for him. Anyway, I said, "Oh, all right." | 0:37:56 | 0:38:02 | |
So there's still that gun on me and I thought, "Oh, boy," and he was such a mean-looking thing. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:08 | |
So I put my finger in the trigger... | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
Under the counter, we had a 3840, you know, one of those large old-fashioned guns? | 0:38:10 | 0:38:16 | |
So I put my finger in the trigger and I said, "Gee... I got to do something. Either him or me." | 0:38:16 | 0:38:23 | |
So I put my finger in and I went bang and I shot him right between the eyes. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
Still there's nobody around. Nobody heard me. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
So I thought, "Oh, heck, I'll take another chance and shoot him," | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
so I shot him in the neck. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
And down he went. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
So I went around to see what... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
I wanted to get a towel to wipe his face because, you know, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
he was bleeding so bad, and he only took 39. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
So I went to search his pocket, you know, to get the 39 back. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
Before you knew it, I had seven cop cars and the television | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
and everything there and he was on the floor, but he was already dead. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:05 | |
So I said, "Say, listen, take that money out of his pocket. He's got my 39." | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
And it was bloody, so I took it and put it in the cash register, and they took him, and that was that. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:16 | |
When the bullet enters the skull, those dum-dums, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
it flies to pieces, it flies into hundreds of pieces and just pulverises the brain. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
-Yeah. -So you didn't really need the second shot in the throat? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
No, I did not. I just wanted to see how it feels! | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
-Was that the first time you'd killed anybody? -Yes. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
There was a few more. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
A few more after that. But I shot two shots. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
That's all I shoot. The third time I don't shoot. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
And if I can't get 'em in those two, then I quit. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
-You give up? -I give up. Yeah. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
Remember, California's said to be just a few years ahead of the world outside so, for the rest of us, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:55 | |
is this the way it's going to be? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
'Los Angeles is a nowhere city. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
'It's like living in a vast motel where everybody's about to leave.' | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
No-one has a past or a present or cares what you do. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
There's no chance of establishing a relationship with the other guests | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
for they're all due to check out in a day or two. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Despite such restlessness, such indifference, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
its residents talk more than any other people in the world about "meaningful relationships", | 0:40:27 | 0:40:34 | |
yet I suspect would not know how to handle one if it took them by the throat. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
# Well, I'm standing on the corner watching every kind of car | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
# Friendly people come and say they want to know... # | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
'In my 1979 California series, we filmed an entire show on Sunset Boulevard, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
'covering its extremes from the mountains to the shining sea. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
'That single street said everything there was to say about the city and its way of life. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:16 | |
'We took a look at Plato's Retreat West, a private club for swingers in Hollywood.' | 0:41:18 | 0:41:25 | |
Everything in that club was then allowed, except alcohol and unescorted males. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:38 | |
The police had just raided the club and, after some puzzled hesitation, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
cited management for operating pinball machines without a permit. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:49 | |
In this drab side street, the club was active until dawn. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
Many of its 5,000 members kept busy having sex with strangers. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
# Night fever, night fever | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
# We know how to show it... # | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
The orgy centre was called the mat room | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
as though part of some gymnasium which in a way I suppose it was. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
After crossing its mattresses, I decided to burn my socks. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
I talked to a couple who'd been married for three years. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
Michael, an electrician, aged 27, and Susie, a nurse of 23, were regulars. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:35 | |
I would think bringing a woman in here would be paying her something of an insult, really. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
Sex exhilarates me. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
I feel good afterwards. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
But what about the other women in a place like this? Are they as young as you or are they not older? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
I saw some much older women outside. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
There's... I once met a lady and... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
I made her show me her driver's licence just to prove the age she was, but she was 82, | 0:42:56 | 0:43:02 | |
-and she... -In a swingers' club? -Yeah, but she... -How was she doing? | 0:43:02 | 0:43:08 | |
She acted like about a 37-year-old lady. Her mind was as sharp as a razor. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:14 | |
A man who sleeps with a lot of women is supposed to be a gay dog, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
-but a woman who sleeps with a lot of men is supposed to be a tramp. -Yes. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
Would you sometimes go with more than one man in an evening? | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
-Sometimes. -How many? | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
I think my maximum is...three? Three. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
Three in one evening. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
I mean, men, perhaps it's another thing, but doesn't it devalue women totally? | 0:43:32 | 0:43:38 | |
I don't see why. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
Women complain about being sex objects. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
Well, I'm not a sex object. I'm an individual. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
I wondered why the founder Larry had chosen to call his swappers' club Plato's. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
It was just that we wanted to use a name that was either Greek or Roman | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
because it's very erotic, so I just decided, Plato's was a simple name. It was the only one I could spell! | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
After that, I found out that Plato was gay but it was too late. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
All over the world, there's wars and everything else. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
That doesn't bother anybody, but Plato's Retreat people get furious about. For what reason? | 0:44:17 | 0:44:22 | |
We're here happy, having a good time. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
When we leave here, we go back to society, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
'Plato's Retreat closed down within a year of my visit. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
'Today, it's a less controversial club though I suspect its past is more interesting than its present. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:40 | |
'In Hollywood, women have always had a powerful presence on-screen, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
'yet it was not until 1980 that there was a female studio head, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
'when I shared breakfast with Sherry Lansing, then the most powerful woman in the film industry.' | 0:44:56 | 0:45:04 | |
How does a little school teacher get to be a big shot so quickly? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
Because you've done it very rapidly, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
-and you haven't done it by the casting-couch route. -No! | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
I also don't think that exists any more, the casting-couch route. Um... | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
All my ideals are going. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
All the reasons why you're here have just disappeared. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
-What can you believe in any more? -I don't think the casting-couch route exists at all any more. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:31 | |
There's too much money being spent on movies, too few movies being made, to take a risk on something like that. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:38 | |
'Sherry had a clear philosophy about life in Hollywood's fastest lane.' | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
The woman who is a housewife - I feel so strongly about this - who has no working life, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:50 | |
but who has a husband and two children, which I don't have, has certain things that I don't have. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:58 | |
I have certain things that she doesn't have. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
You give up certain things to get what you want, but you don't get it all. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:07 | |
I mean, I work very hard and I like it, but I do go home alone | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
and I don't have children, so I don't have everything. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
And if she's envious of me, then I'm envious of her because she has things that I don't have. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
The mistake that everybody makes is that they want everything. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
I learned you can't have it all. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
'Sherry ran Paramount for 12 years and in that time also got married, so maybe she DID have it all. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:35 | |
'My old friend Joan Collins created a powerful television monster and became world-famous.' | 0:46:48 | 0:46:56 | |
Her role in Dynasty made Joan Collins a sort of template for the '80s. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
With its kitsch story lines and impossibly handsome cast, the series attracted huge audiences. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:08 | |
Professional and brilliant at playing Joan, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
she achieved through television the international super-stardom that had eluded her on film. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:18 | |
Always perfectly turned out, she played the part of Alexis Carrington to the hilt | 0:47:18 | 0:47:24 | |
and that character was to follow her forever. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
It seems to me that there are only two kinds of people on television | 0:47:27 | 0:47:32 | |
in terms of women, and that's the bitch or the wimp. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
There's nothing in-between. It's rather pathetic. Women are so categorised. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
They should be able to cross over. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
They should be able to be both because nobody is just one thing. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
And if Alexis was a man, they would not call him a bitch. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
They couldn't dare call him a bastard cos you can't say that word on TV. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Um, I don't know. They'd probably say, "A strong, tough, aggressive man, isn't that wonderful?" | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
But because I'm a woman, "She's a bitch," and it's just...that. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
MUSIC: Theme from Dynasty | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
When we talked on the Dynasty set all those years ago, you said that, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
in real life, you believed a strong, assertive woman got a bad deal. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:21 | |
It's true, but, um...I mean, look at Maggie Thatcher. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
I thought that she was absolutely wonderful, that she was strong and assertive. She was loathed. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:29 | |
Look at Hillary Clinton. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
And, um, people do not like very assertive women that know their mind | 0:48:31 | 0:48:36 | |
and that, you know, have a tendency to tell you off. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
Now, Hollywood is a notoriously cruel place. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
How did you survive? | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
Cos I'm tough. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
No, I survived because I don't take any of it too seriously. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
I suspect that it was easier being a star in the old days when the stars were all protected by the studios. | 0:48:53 | 0:49:02 | |
I think it's really true. I don't know how those people | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
who are really on the cover of all the magazines and just so famous, I don't know how they cope. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:13 | |
Like Angelina Jolie. She's pregnant, she's carrying one child, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
there's another one in her hand, she goes out, she gets flash, flash. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
She never complains. I have great admiration for that cos I think it must be really tough. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:27 | |
-Really tough. -Being famous for being stunning | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
must be a considerable burden to you. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
You can't slip out to the newsagent's to buy a paper unless you're looking your absolute best. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:41 | |
I think that people today want to see their stars looking, you know, worse than them. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:47 | |
I went out with my daughter once, Tara, in disguise to Bermondsey antique market, five in the morning, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
and I had no make-up, I was very dressed down, I had an old headscarf on, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
an old mac, and I'm going along and looking at the stalls. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
Tara's following after me and she comes up and says, "Mummy, do you know what that man just said?" | 0:50:02 | 0:50:08 | |
I said, "No, what?" He said, "Here, Ida, that was Joan Collins. You look better than she does!" | 0:50:08 | 0:50:15 | |
So I can look really horrible if I want to. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
Looking back then, is there anything in real life that you wish you had done differently? | 0:50:19 | 0:50:26 | |
Life is a series of lessons and, um...you know, everybody makes mistakes. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:32 | |
Show me a person who hasn't made a mistake and I'll show you somebody who hasn't lived properly. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:37 | |
Beverly Hills houses today's over-achievers, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
though, once you stop achieving, nobody talks to you. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
California is so familiar from films and television that we know it well, even if we've never been here. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:10 | |
Palm trees and beautiful people, endless sunshine, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
the good, the bad and the totally nutty, where everything is "now". | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
MUSIC: Theme from The Pink Panther | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
Piccadilly Thircuth, there you are, there's Eroth. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
Now, just by shaking it, we can see it in the storm. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:35 | |
There you are, do you see the snow? | 0:51:35 | 0:51:36 | |
It's lovely to have. You see, when you get all this sun out here, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
it's lovely to see a bit of snow cos we never see snow in Los Angeles. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
And I have Buckingham Palace also in the same situation. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
I first met Peter Sellers in the old Tonight days | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
when, one evening at Lime Grove, I interviewed his mother, a forceful lady to whom he was devoted. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:03 | |
That stood in my credit. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
Years later, I spent a day with him in Beverly Hills, in a splendid rented house on Summit Ridge | 0:52:05 | 0:52:12 | |
where he was living with his latest wife, the beautiful Lynne Frederick. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
He was then at the peak of his film career and had a reputation for being difficult | 0:52:17 | 0:52:23 | |
but, that day, he was a delight - funny, perceptive and engaging. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:29 | |
He was happy, though in the harsh California sunlight, his skin looked a little grey. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:35 | |
He'd stumble as he walked down a flight of steps and my director said, "This may be his obituary." | 0:52:35 | 0:52:42 | |
So it proved. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
A few weeks later, Peter flew to London and suffered a fatal heart attack. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
Ours was probably the last interview he gave. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
I happen to be one of those sort of people that... | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
was born and will die in England because I've got sort of London in me. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:01 | |
I was born in Yorkshire, but I've been living in London all my life, and there's something... | 0:53:01 | 0:53:06 | |
Although I can't stay there all the time, there's something about the place that, er, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:11 | |
I can't get away from and, you know, I don't want to get away from. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:16 | |
So I could never actually live here. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
So what is it then that gets up your nose about working here? | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
It's difficult to answer that now. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
I don't know. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
I don't know. They say the British are rude, I suppose. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
I've heard that said many times. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
I'd sooner... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
for example...be at home and have somebody say to me, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:50 | |
"I saw your last film, mate. It was a load of shit," | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
which I've had on several occasions, so excuse me! | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
Or... I mean, I'd sooner put up with that than I would the sort of thing that happens here. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:06 | |
I remember very well going through a very bad patch at one time in my life, living in this town for a bit, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:14 | |
and several well-known people were crossing the road in order not to bump into me. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:20 | |
So you really know when the skids are under you, you know. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
I know one thing, that...it's fine to work here. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:30 | |
Spike and I, when we were doing the Goon Show, we used to call them "herns". | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
If you can't hear what they're saying, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
it's like a rhubarb sound, they're saying, "Hern, hern, hern. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
"What do you think, hern, hern, hern?" | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
A lot of the Goon Shows had the herns in them. Hern, sir, hern. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:51 | |
Hern, Lieutenant, hern. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
-So... -The goonery is a joy of lost youth for you, isn't it? -Oh, yes, the best, happiest days of my life. | 0:54:53 | 0:55:00 | |
You can live wherever you want to in the world. The fact that you're here for what, a year, two years...? | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
Er, no, I'm going back to Europe. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
I'm going to have a holiday next, a much-needed holiday. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
I'm going back to Europe and I'll probably stay in Europe | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
till I do another movie, which will be in Paris. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
-Nobody seems to have any friends here. -No. You see, the British tend to keep together | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
because they have these parties down the road and all of that, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
and they all sort of get together and talk about Harrods and all that. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:38 | |
And that's about it, really, unless you want to get caught up with the Hollywood set | 0:55:38 | 0:55:45 | |
and get mixed up with those parties, but forget it, you know. Not for me. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
Very private person. Very private. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
A lot of people think I'm a right twit because I'm very quiet, but I can't take it, you know. | 0:55:54 | 0:56:01 | |
I work so hard when I work that I like to be very quiet | 0:56:01 | 0:56:06 | |
and just think and meditate and... | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
wander round taking photographs. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
There is an argument that, wherever you live in the world - in Gstaad or in Port Grimaud or London or here - | 0:56:13 | 0:56:21 | |
that you only have about five or ten friends anyway, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
and you'll surround yourself with five or ten chosen people wherever you are. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:30 | |
So you've got your five or ten friends here. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
You've also got the best that the world can provide in everything - | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
in food and cars and wine and... | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
But I don't have any friends here. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
Real friends. I don't have any people I'd really call... | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
I've only got...two really good friends - no, three at the most - in my life. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:57 | |
And, er... | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
..and they're all in London. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
May I show you, just before we leave, a little twick I learnt from an American. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:12 | |
I'll do it with the Union Jack | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
because it's better to start with it than end with it, if you know what I mean. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
As they said when they left India! | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
So here we go. Um, now... | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
My head is in the tea cloth. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
Ready? | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
My head has gone. Brilliant. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
Thank you so much. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:38 | |
'Some months after Peter's final happy interview, ITV asked me to present his obituary.' | 0:57:41 | 0:57:48 | |
So we've lost Peter Sellers. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
We've lost the clown who made the world happier than he made himself. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
Peter Sellers, who spent his life imitating others, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
was an accumulation of all the roles he'd ever played, all the people he'd ever met. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:03 | |
So, to every one of you, Peter, goodbye and thanks. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:08 | |
'Next time, the journey continues as we cross America | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
'and I can finally catch up with one of my favourite couples.' | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
My dear chap. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
You haven't changed a bit, except you're a bit younger. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
And Kathy! Excuse me. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:23 | |
You look fucking great! | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
Don't let that be on! | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 |