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Well, welcome to the 3 o'clock ferry | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
from Rosso in Mauritania over to Senegal. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
We're crossing one of the great rivers of the Sahara - the Senegal. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
It's 1,000 miles long. But it's not just a border between Mauritania, which we've just left, and Senegal. | 0:00:53 | 0:01:01 | |
It also demarcates the two sides of the Sahara - | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
the Arab north and the black south. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
From now on, we're in black Africa. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Just before it reaches the Atlantic Ocean, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
the Senegal River swells into a wide estuary. Everything has changed. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
Sand is replaced by water. Tents are replaced by warehouses. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
And where there was only camel meat, there's fresh smoked fish everywhere. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
This is St Louis in Senegal. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
It was founded by the French over 350 years ago - | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
the cornerstone of their African empire, built in their own likeness. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
Stepping off the boat is still like stepping into provincial France. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
It's amazing how little we know about other countries' heroes. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
In the 1920s and '30s, the French were absolutely captivated by the exploits of the daring young pilots | 0:02:26 | 0:02:33 | |
who made long solo flights, day and night, to bring mail from France to West Africa and on to South America. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:41 | |
One of the most famous of these was Jean Mermoz, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
and when he disappeared into the Atlantic in December 1936, at the age of 36, all of France mourned. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:53 | |
Mermoz spent his last night here in the Hotel de la Poste, St Louis. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
'Senegal has been independent since 1960, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
'but seems to be in no hurry to shake off the French connection.' | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
Ah! Combien est Le Monde, s'il vous plait? Neuf? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
'By sad coincidence, today's headlines mark the death of another French hero, singer Charles Trenet.' | 0:03:13 | 0:03:20 | |
Merci. "Charles Trenet est mort." | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
# La mer, da-da-da-dee... # | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
There's no shortage of guides to show you round the town. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
But a pony and trap can quickly become a pony and tourist trap. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
I want to look beyond the colonial picturesque for modern Senegal. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
I make for the home of Jacob Yakouba, one of Senegal's best-known artists. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:56 | |
Jacob's particular genre is the lightly clad female, preferably quite young. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:04 | |
'His greatest inspiration is his glamorous wife, Marie Madeleine, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
'an actress and star of Senegal's most popular TV soap. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
'Over a communal platter of fish balls in a spicy stew, I ask her about her role.' | 0:04:17 | 0:04:23 | |
-La television? -Oui. -On traite un petit peu d'un probleme... | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
-On a pris comme pretexte un probleme religieux... -Oui? -Oui! | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
-A religious problem, discussed... -Voila, qui s'appelle Bara Saudi. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
In the soap opera, the great sort of Senegalese EastEnders, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
of which Marie Madeleine is the star, she marries a man and he has an affair and divorces her. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
She wants to remarry him, and she remarries him three times, I think, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
and that's, um, the maximum you're allowed to divorce and remarry. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
After that, she wants to stay with him, so he asks her if she will marry his best friend. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
Something like that, anyway. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
-..Et moi, j'ai dis non, meme si d'Islam demande d'etre une femme soumise... -A submissive wife? | 0:05:07 | 0:05:15 | |
Oui, oui, oui. Alors, moi, je me suis revolte. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
-So, Marie Madeleine, you are a liberated woman on the television? Femme liberee? -Femme liberee. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:26 | |
'Jacob doesn't seem quite so sure about this. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
'I inquire if polygamy is common.' | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
-Il y a beaucoup... -A lot of polygamy? -JACOB: -Moi, j'ai choisi monogamie. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
-You've chosen monogamy? -Yes! | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
WOMEN LAUGH | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
And me! | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
-A good example. -I'm afraid! -Oh, you're afraid! Afraid?! Oh, wow! You? Look at you! | 0:05:46 | 0:05:53 | |
-Would you let...? -She is my commander! | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
'Would Marie Madeleine, I wondered, allow Jacob to have another wife?' | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
-Jamais! Never! -OK! That's clear. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
160 miles south of St Louis is a small island, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
which, because of safe moorings and easy defences, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
became the most successful trading centre in West Africa. It's called Goree. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:21 | |
Goree is still prosperous and attractive, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
but its beauty conceals an ugly past. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
The island of Goree could really be any tourist trap on the French Riviera. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
But it owes its popularity almost entirely to its infamous reputation | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
as a departure point for millions of slaves, taken from the interior, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
from the Sahara area, and shipped out to the plantations in America by the English, French and Portuguese. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:56 | |
WHIPLASHES | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
No-one knows exactly how many slaves the Europeans bought from African traders and shipped out of Goree. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
But here in the grounds of the old governor's mansion, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
they're rehearsing a dance which commemorates the sufferings of many millions. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
This, and other dances like it, will be performed for thousands of Afro-Americans | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
who visit Goree each year in search of explanations and, if possible, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:56 | |
comfort from seeing the place where their ancestors had THEIR last sight of Africa. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:02 | |
For me, it's time to turn away from the sea and back into Africa. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
First stop, the Senegalese capital of Dakar - a city of inexhaustible energy. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:25 | |
Wrestling is the most popular sport in Senegal, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
and tonight, a crowd hails the pan-African champion, Morf Adan. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
Stars like him can fill stadiums. Tonight, he's in his own back yard | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
to inspire the local boys. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
I catch up with the great man - and some sheep - in his courtyard. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
He does make money from wrestling, but he spends most of it on his entourage. Shepherds, probably! | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
Outside, the champions of the future are giving it their all. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
Morf explains you need only get your opponent's shoulders on the ground, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
so a bout can last anything from five seconds to...maybe seven! | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
There's such a crowd of competitors it looks as though it could go on all night, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:29 | |
so I make my apologies and slip away. Easier said than done! | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Wrestling is not the only alternative to an early night. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:54 | |
Dakar has a booming music scene, and at a jazz club near the fish market | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
the band includes not only locals, but an American ex-pat - Tom Vahle. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:05 | |
Clubs here, they're kind of... they're...they're kind of, you know, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
-they're not so sure if they want to hire a band that doesn't play the local Senegalese music. -Right. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:24 | |
-Do you think I need some? Well, thank you very much. -You're welcome. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
Must be something I didn't... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-Ah, the manager! -Bee-ba-da-ba-da! | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
How long have you run this club? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
-Three months and 21 days. -Is it different from other clubs you've managed? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
-Yeah. -Why? How different? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
-The other clubs, they were rectangular. -Oh! That wasn't the answer I expected! | 0:10:48 | 0:10:55 | |
-But I like that! -I need space. -You need space. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
-I am Lebou from my own origin. -You are...? -I need to see this... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
-Lebou. -Lebou is a fishing caste. -Oh, right. You're from the fishing... | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
-Those kind of people are mine. -Were you a fisherman at one time? -I don't catch any fish! | 0:11:10 | 0:11:16 | |
-I can throw it, but nothing is coming, man! -Right! | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
-It's a great evening. Thank you very much indeed. -Great. Good luck to you. According to my age... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:30 | |
-According to my age... -What is your age? I can't believe it. 38? -No, no! | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
-38? Are you crazy? -Yes, I'm crazy. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
I am 60 years old, man. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
-60. -60 years old? -Six-o. -You're just about my age, really. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
-No, no, no. I am older than you. -You're well preserved. -He's 60 going on 20! -How do you stay in shape? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:52 | |
(I make love every single night!) | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Yes, well, I try to, but...! | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
-No, you cannot say it. You don't say it. -I won't say it. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
-Certainly not. -That's it. -Every single night, he, um...gets some exercise! | 0:12:02 | 0:12:09 | |
Next morning, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
it's time to get myself and what remains of my brain cells away from the fleshpots of Dakar. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
Conveniently, the French built a railway to connect the coast with the centre of their African empire. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:29 | |
'This is the Bamako Express, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
'one of two trains a week between Dakar and the capital of Mali. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
'There's a nasty rumour going round it might leave on time.' | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
Having followed the desert to its western limits on the Atlantic, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
and tasted big-city life in Dakar, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
we're now going to explore the desert to the east, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
through the city that is more synonymous with the Sahara than any other - the city of Timbuktu. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:01 | |
The roads are lousy, so we're taking the train to Bamako in Mali. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
A mere 36 hours...if it's on time! | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
We shall rely on the railway to take us 1,000 miles into the interior, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
then on the steam ferry service | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
to carry us up the Niger River to our destination - Timbuktu. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
Sheep absolutely everywhere. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
They seem to have overrun the city. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Either they're very, very fond of sheep, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
or there's some sort of sheep convention, but everywhere... Here's some more coming up here. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:08 | |
Rather well fed, rather well looked after. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
There they are, nuzzling round the old container. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
It's most odd. I've never seen so many sheep in one place in my life. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
I'm a bit of a sheep man. Well...I like them! | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
Just... | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
in an aesthetic way! | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
No more... Not their little, fluffy tails and... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
bummy bits! | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
The city sprawls on. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
Over two million people are crammed into Dakar and its suburbs. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
Many come in from the countryside, preferring safety in numbers to the hardships of wind and drought. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:57 | |
This is amazing. It's the most extraordinary shopping mall in the world! | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
It runs for about a mile beside the train here, and everything is here. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
Over there you've got people actually making the things, wholesale, and retail down here. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:20 | |
It's like a huge department store - you've got handbags, ladies' underwear...food hall! | 0:15:20 | 0:15:26 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
The train never goes much above a stately 30mph, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
allowing plenty of time to admire the ubiquitous baobab trees. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
Its branches are so much like roots, legend has it the devil shoved them in the ground upside down. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:55 | |
'The train is packed - largely, it seems, with women, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
'all decked out in striking West African style. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
'I get talking to one of them, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
'an English teacher called Dhadi, on the perennial topic of husbands and wives and how many of each.' | 0:16:13 | 0:16:20 | |
Before Islam, you know, polygamy existed in traditional society, you see. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:27 | |
And they said, OK, the man can marry up to four wives, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
so that they can work on the fields, you know, they can help each other. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:38 | |
That was the idea, you see. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
And then Islam entered Africa. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
And men said that OK, the Koran says that since we are Muslim, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
we can marry up to four wives. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
-What do you think of this? Do you approve of that? -Let me tell you something. I am against that. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:59 | |
-I thought you might be. -I am against that. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Well, that's my opinion. I am against... And I know why. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
Why? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Let's say, first of all, I am jealous. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
Of the other wives? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
I don't wanna share my husband. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
And second, in every polygamist's house, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
there is always trouble. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
Because co-wives, you know, are jealous. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
Sometimes they finish before the judge, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
and every day, either in Senegal or in Mali, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
because most of the time the husband, you know, has one house, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
and all the four wives, they live, you know, in the same house. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
And, you know, you can't imagine that. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Sometimes one of the wives can go to the marabout and try to do juju... | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
-The marabout is...? -Well, he's a kind of a priest, you know? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
You go to see them... He's a seer, he can predict the future, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
and also he can make some juju, sometimes. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
Every wife would like the man to love her better, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
and they put some powder in the food, or in the water, you know, things like that. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:26 | |
Or, sometimes, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
when one of the wives is sick, for example, she's gonna say, "That's my co-wife. She's a witch." | 0:18:28 | 0:18:35 | |
Superstition, juju and black magic remain powerful forces out here. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:42 | |
Qu'est-ce qu'est le plus long...? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
'At supper, I get down to more mundane considerations, like when the train will arrive. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:54 | |
'I ask my businessman friend if it's often late. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
'"Well," he explains diplomatically, "instances of it arriving on time are very rare." | 0:18:58 | 0:19:04 | |
'Like the cutlery!' | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Well... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
-We have no... -Yes. Mmm. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
Early next day, we cross into Mali. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Borders aren't taken that seriously here. The main tribal groups are spread across several countries. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:32 | |
But the landscape IS different. Flat Senegal gives way to the rocky escarpments of Mali. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:39 | |
The heat builds, making concentration difficult. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Time drags on, and as we climb, we seem to be going slower than ever. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
Well, we've now completed 33 hours of the supposedly 35-hour journey, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:04 | |
but we seem to be becalmed here at some station on the way. We're still ten hours away from Bamako. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:11 | |
We stopped because this train was on the single-track line. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
But our progress is a matter of considerable chance at the moment - | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
whether it'll take 10 hours, or 15 or 20. It's in the lap of the gods. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
Well... | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
-Hello! Hello! -Hello! | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
Bye-bye! | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
It's always a good sign when we're actually moving - very encouraging. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
There's a cloud of dust up in front. I can't quite see the engine. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
But we ARE on the move, and we're heading towards Bamako, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
and we're only ten hours late. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
'I think that calls for some sort of celebration!' | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Une biere, s'il vous plait. ..Merci. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
That's 500 back, so that's about... 50 pence for a beer. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
Not bad. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
I never quite understand, in Islamic countries, whether they allow bars. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
But obviously this train is kind of typical of the tolerance found in Mauritania, Senegal and now Mali. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:22 | |
They don't seem to be too fierce about applying the rules. If you want a beer, you can have a beer. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:29 | |
After a second, unscheduled night on the train, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
during which water and most other supplies fail, we finally pull into Bamako just before dawn. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:56 | |
I love travel. I love the promise of new places and new faces. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
But I must admit that on Bamako Station this morning, my mask of optimism is travel-worn. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:07 | |
The only good thing about this moment is we actually got to Bamako. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
-It's 5am. I feel dazed and confused. But there are a lot of people here to help(!) -Yeah. -Au revoir. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:19 | |
-Where you come from? -I don't know. Not a clue! | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Mademoiselle! | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
A shower, a shave and a change of underwear later, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
I feel a joie de vivre slowly returning. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Just as well. The streets of Bamako are not for the faint-hearted! | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
'I take refuge at a local cafe. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
'The proprietor promises to fix me something like a double espresso.' | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
Well, I feel a lot better now. Shave, clean shirt and all that. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
There's the station. We arrived in the dead of night. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Next to the station is the Hotel de la Gare, where a group called the Rail Band used to meet. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:22 | |
The Rail Band was begun by Toumani Diabate, a musician whose album I've been playing for three months. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:29 | |
It's wonderful music - a fusion between traditional African and contemporary music. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:36 | |
And Toumani lives and works in Bamako, so I'm hoping I'll be able to see him while I'm here, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:43 | |
and see how he makes the music. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
RAPPING IN FRENCH | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Toumani is not just a musician. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
He's also a producer, and that evening I track him down to the club where he's watching his new rap act. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:58 | |
The message of their latest track is, believe it or not, getting kids to go to school. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:06 | |
Later in the evening, Toumani takes to the stage with his own band. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:19 | |
The rhythms and instruments are solidly traditional, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
featuring the lute-like ngoni | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
the harp-like kora... and the balafon. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:36 | |
Music like this has put Mali on the world map, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
and it enabled Toumani to show me round his home city in some style. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
On the way to his home, we passed the Great Mosque in the city centre, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
then, in the market, a fetish stall, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
of shrunken animal heads, shows that Islam has to coexist with voodoo. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
But the day's great treat for me is a masterclass with the man himself. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
When did you start mixing the kora, the traditional instrument, with the more contemporary ones like guitar? | 0:25:19 | 0:25:27 | |
First of all, is to start with traditional sound. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
From there, I was listening to James Brown's music, to Otis Redding's, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
to Jimi Hendrix, to Johnny Hallyday also, Salif Keita. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
And so I said, "Oh, well, the kora must be... I have to open a new door for the kora. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:48 | |
"A universal door for the kora." | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Did your father approve of that? | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Yes. At the beginning, he said, "Oh! Look - the children, they are changing everything!" | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
So I told him - we had a nice meeting about that - | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
I said, "Look, I am not changing the kora, I am just developing the kora." | 0:26:06 | 0:26:12 | |
'Kora-playing, like so much else in Malian life, is rich in history. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:29 | |
'Toumani's family have been kora players for 72 consecutive generations.' | 0:26:29 | 0:26:36 | |
'400 miles from Bamako lives one of Africa's most extraordinary tribes. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
'This is Tirelli, one of the villages of the Dogon people. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
'600 years ago, they retreated here from the Islamic invasions, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
'and remained, until recently, cut off from the world. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
'Today, the headman of the village welcomes us.' | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Thank you for letting us into your home. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
He said, "You are welcome. Make yourself at home." | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
How many wives and children does the chief have? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
-Two wives and ten children. -Wow! That's a handful. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:55 | |
The Dogon culture looks as if it hasn't changed for many centuries. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
Is it changing fast now that the outside world is taking an interest? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
'Amadou, my Dogon guide, translates for the village chief. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
'"Because we were cut off from the world for so long, we developed our own way of looking at the universe." | 0:28:13 | 0:28:20 | |
'Using the carvings on one of his granary doors, he explains how the Dogon believe the world was created. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:28 | |
'The god Amma first created the sun, moon and stars, then the Earth in the shape of a woman, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:36 | |
'with an anthole for her vagina and a termite mound for her clitoris. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
'He tried to make love to her, but the termite mound blocked his path, so he removed it. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:48 | |
'He tried again, and this time twins were born. They were half-man, half-snake, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
'and lived in the heavens. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
'Amma then made a human couple, who had eight ancestors from whom all of us are made.' | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
And so you have also... | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
'I'm still trying to get my head round all this, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
'when Amadou tells me the Dogon were not the first people to colonise the escarpment. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
'Before them came the Tellem, who lived on the cliff face itself.' | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
-..Become now a tomb, where they bury the Dogon people, if someone dies... -On the cliff? -Yes, up there. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
'The Tellem clearly preferred high-rise living, relying on ropes to get in and out of their homes. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:38 | |
'It seems incredible that people should have fought each other to live in such a bleak place, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:45 | |
'until you remember that 500 years ago, the whole area was forest.' | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
'An echo of those more fertile times | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
'is the status Dogon society still accords to the hunter.' | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
Terrific! This is the greeting - they go through the entire family. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
Yes, this is a greeting. And we have to ask everyone, one by one. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
Someone of them ask, "How are your donkey? How are your cow?" | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
It's funny, you know, but this is polite. You have to ask everything. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
Tell him that I don't know any Dogon at the moment, so I just say ca va? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
-What do they hunt here? -Here, him hunting monkeys, wild rat and dog. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:47 | |
-Do you eat much meat here? -Oh, yes, yes. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
When they are hunting and they kill animals, they eat a lot of meat. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
Sometimes, if they didn't find animals, they kill a sheep or a goat. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
-A rat? Do they have a bit of rat every now and then? -Yes, they find sometimes rats on the rocks. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:08 | |
-The rat they are hunting up there on the rocks, and the monkeys and the dog, antelope... -Does he shoot them? | 0:31:08 | 0:31:15 | |
-Or does he...? Oh! -This is something he had to kill monkeys... | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
A monkey that's seen better days. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
-Right. -This is a monkey's head. -Yes. Can he show me? | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
I see! That's gunpowder - made here? | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
Yes, made here. Local gunpowder. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
-Yeah. What is it? -It makes, I think... This is local gunpowder. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:49 | |
Oh, wow! So he... | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Well away from them! | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
GUN FAILS TO GO OFF...TWICE | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
-Oh! -Oh! | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
INTERPRETER ADVISES | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
GUN FAILS AGAIN | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
-The monkey's positively cheering up! -GUN FAILS AGAIN | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
Right. Here we go again. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Oomph! | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
Oh-oh-oh...! | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
-It's OK... -He's OK! -I just got a blast right across my face. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
It's OK. I know how you feel now! | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
-Me too! -Well, it worked! I think I preferred it when it WASN'T working! | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
'Having survived the hunter, I now have to survive a lunch of goat, millet and baobab leaf.' | 0:32:54 | 0:33:02 | |
-OK, so we just... -Help yourself. -..grab in? Ow! Ooh, it's hot! | 0:33:02 | 0:33:07 | |
It's hot - very hot. Slowly. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
-It's very hot. -Yeah. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
-And people say you cannot be a strong man if you... -Oh! Well, I'm past all that now! | 0:33:14 | 0:33:21 | |
You have to eat when it is very hot. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
This is the local food. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
It's really good, but I can't emphasise how hot it is on the end of your fingers. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:41 | |
I don't know how they eat it. My tender, artistic little digits! | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
'It's not just the food that's hot, it's the temperature outside - 56 centigrade at midday. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:53 | |
'That's 134 Fahrenheit! | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
'It's the hottest meal of my life.' | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
The straw-capped granaries that dot the village contain the millet on which the Dogon diet depends. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:11 | |
Equally important to their way of life are weapons, door latches and assorted ironmongery | 0:34:11 | 0:34:18 | |
produced by the blacksmith with the help of his seven-year-old daughter. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:23 | |
The blacksmith is one of the most important men of the village. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
In Dogon folklore, the first blacksmith stole the fire from God. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
His duties extend beyond making things, as Amadou explains to me. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
So now, another importance of the blacksmith, when they must do a circumcision in a village. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:55 | |
-Circumcision? -Yes, circumcision. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
The blacksmith use his own knife to cut the sex of the boys. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:03 | |
-The blacksmith actually does the circumcision? -Yes. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
And the blacksmith women do the excision for girls. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
-Is female circumcision still common here? -Yes. They still partake. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
They still do it in a village. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
-So most of the girls in this village here will have been circumcised? -All of the girls. All of the girls. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:28 | |
A COCK CROWS | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
So... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
a termite mound... | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
..and the ants below... | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
'I'm not the first one to try and make some sense of all this. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
'There's a joke that runs, "How many are there in a Dogon family? | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
'"Five - two parents, two children and one French anthropologist."' | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
In Dogon country, absolutely nothing is what you expect it to be. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
This maniacally joyful dance is celebrating a funeral. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
I know it's a cliche to say that you've found somewhere different from the rest of the world, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:45 | |
but in this village of Tirelli in Dogon country, it's true. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
The way of life here and the reason for the way of life here | 0:36:49 | 0:36:55 | |
is quite unlike anything I've ever seen before, and I will never see anywhere like this again. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:02 | |
They've been very, very good friends - very good hosts. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
But don't tell anyone! | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
FUNERAL DRUMMING CONTINUES | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
The ancient town of Djenne, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
circled by the waters of the Bani River, is our next stop on the road to Timbuktu. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:34 | |
I've hired a mobilette | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
to drive myself around what many consider to be the most beautiful of all the cities of the Sahara. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:45 | |
The mosque at Djenne is an architectural marvel - the largest mud-built structure in the world. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:53 | |
The streets are fine examples of mud as an art form - | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
graceful and stylish, qualities which in Mali are not confined to the buildings. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:05 | |
'Djenne doubles its size on market days. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
'I'm shown around by Amadou Cisse, known to the world as Pygmy.' | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
-What tribe or people are you from? -I am half Fulani. -Half Fulani? What's the other half? -My father, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:33 | |
-the other half, is Songhai. -Songhai? -Songhai. -Oh, Songhai, yes. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
-Songhai empire! -Yeah! -I remember that. -Yeah. ..Oh, sorry. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
-You know an awful lot... You know a lot of ladies, Pygmy. -Yes. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
-It's normal. It's my city and it's OK that you know people! -Yeah. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
In Mali, are the women friendly and open? They don't mind if you come up to say hello, though you're married? | 0:38:55 | 0:39:03 | |
No, it's OK, I know them since I was a boy. It's my city and everything. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
I heard that you met your wife in the market. Is that true? | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
Yeah, I met her in the market, if you want, for the first time, and she is Fulani. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:21 | |
-And you're Fulani? -Yes, but for me it wasn't necessary to be Fulani or not. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:28 | |
For me, it only... She was very nice for me, that every time when I come, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
she bring milk, because she sell milk, and for me, everything when she come, I see her and she was pretty, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:41 | |
-and young, nice, and for me, I was always happy to be with her. -Yeah. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
-Because first I was only buy milk... -You just came along to buy milk! | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
You were a customer, exactly. Buying a pint of milk and you fell in love! | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
What is special about Fulani women? | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
What makes them so distinctive? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
-Can you tell a Fulani woman here in the crowd? -Yeah. She is Fulani. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
-OK, she is Fulani. She is the cousin of my wife. -Oh, right! She's a cousin of your wife! | 0:40:08 | 0:40:14 | |
You just happened to find her here! | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
-You see around her mouth? -Yes. -That's like a tattooage. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
-And that's a family sign on her face. -Those marks there? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
THEY CHAT | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
Lovely ears. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
Aagh! | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
-Family problems! -Yes, family problems. -OK, we don't need to know. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
'I feel that Pygmy is the man to enlighten me on the question that's been on my mind since Dakar - | 0:40:40 | 0:40:47 | |
'sheep.' | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-And there are sheep everywhere. I've seen them all through Mali. -Yeah. -What's the reason? | 0:40:50 | 0:40:57 | |
Now it will be a Tabaske festival... | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
Tabaske is a major Islamic festival. The head of the household is required to sacrifice a sheep. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:06 | |
It commemorates the time God spared Isaac, the son of Abraham, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
an event common to Muslim, Jew and Christian. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
-Are they all male sheep? -Yeah, complete... -But do they have to be men? -Yeah, not females. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:21 | |
-Yeah? Because of the story. -Mens... -Complete, meaning what? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
Complete, not with one eyes or one leg, something like that! | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
'Pygmy's left it a bit late, and like turkeys on the day before Christmas, it's a seller's market.' | 0:41:31 | 0:41:37 | |
What's the problem? | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
-Now he say 40,000. -40,000? -I need to discuss. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
-That's £40? Have you haggled down a bit? -Now it's 37. -37? | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
It's two or three people you're dealing with. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
He is the manager who knows where to find the best sheep, but I think he gets something from the owner. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:01 | |
-He tells me it's a good price... -And the manager gets to trouser a few! | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
This doesn't happen like this at Sainsbury's, does it? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
OK. So you get the boys to take it back for you? | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
Yeah, yeah. Normally it's always when you buy a sheep... | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
Malian women always look sensational, but for Tabaske, they make a special effort. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:34 | |
'At Pygmy's house, the wife he met over milk shakes | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
'is having her feet hennaed by an older woman, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
'who suggests there was more to the relationship than buying milk.' | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
I think there's a more interesting side to this story! | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
-Shall I tell you what she said? -All right, tell me! -If you fell in love, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
and you try one time with her and it's nice, you can't leave her alone. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:05 | |
You will follow her everywhere, she says, but it's not true. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
In Mali, before you get married, are you allowed to have time together? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:15 | |
Can you sleep together? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
-Me, her? -Yeah. -Since the day I get married, I never know her before, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:24 | |
like love, or sleep together - I never do that before I get married. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:30 | |
But for the village's people, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
they don't believe I never make love or something with her. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:38 | |
'I like Pygmy, and the fact that he overcame his parents' objections to marry the woman he wanted. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:46 | |
'On Tabaske morning, the mosque isn't big enough for everyone. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
'They gather to worship on open ground at the edge of town.' | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
-What actually happens now, at this ceremony? -We pray in the daytime. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:05 | |
Normally, we pray after lunch and on the afternoon. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:10 | |
But now, because it is like a special ceremony, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
people will pray between 9 and 10 o'clock. It is something very special for us. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:19 | |
First it is the Imam who makes the sacrifice, kills his sheep here. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:25 | |
And after, people go home to do the same thing, make the sacrifice. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:31 | |
IMAM CHANTS | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
The sheep's looking nervous, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
like an actor on his first night...and last night! | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
Devotions done, the sheep is taken to the Imam | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
to be slaughtered. Once he's made this first sacrifice, everyone can head home and celebrations begin. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:16 | |
GREETINGS | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
-Ah, yes. What should I say? What's the greeting? -Sambe sambe. -Sambe sambe! | 0:45:25 | 0:45:32 | |
Sambe sambe! | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
-It's good. -I'm very glad. I know two words...well, one word, twice! | 0:45:38 | 0:45:43 | |
Sambe sambe! It's good... | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
'As we approach his house, I sense that, for the first time, Pygmy's ebullience is beginning to fade, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:56 | |
'as the moment comes for him to do his duty. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
'One sheep has already been dispatched by his father. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
'Now it's Pygmy's turn. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
'As Auntie looks sternly on, he's instructed in the importance of a swift, humane technique. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:27 | |
'Most importantly, the cut must be clean and the sheep mustn't suffer. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:37 | |
'The blood flows into the gutters, the knife is washed, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
'and within half an hour, everything that can be eaten is ready for the pot. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:50 | |
'In the finest traditions of African and Muslim hospitality, I'm asked to share Tabaske feast.' | 0:46:54 | 0:47:02 | |
-He is never on time to eat! -Come on! It's all gone! -C'est fini! | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
Mm. Thank you. Thank you. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
Mmm! Do you say something? Do you give thanks or...? | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
-Normally we never eat with the left hand. -I know, I know. I've made a terrible gaffe. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:27 | |
-They are laughing because you are not used to it. -I know. I'm not. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
You've got to try something new. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
Find out...how people... | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
-Are all the bits of the sheep eaten? -No. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
We eat part of the sheep, and then there is some poor people - | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
we give - we distribute amongst them. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
And the young boys of the village - they get the sheeps' testicles? | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
Yeah, that's the good luck. It's to make them clever. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
THEY MAKE RUDE NOISES | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
Djenne's days of greatness ended when the River Bani silted up, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
and trade moved to the nearby port of Mopti. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
I've come to Mopti to look for the Timbuktu ferry. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
The harbour's full of people, but low on water, leaving raw sewage exposed. No-one but me worries much. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:49 | |
Squalor and beauty coexist quite happily on the Mopti waterfront. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
I'm relieved to find the Timbuktu ferries are in port. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
But as I climb aboard, it doesn't exactly look as if they're waiting for the starting gun. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:06 | |
When I eventually find one of the pilots, I get rather a shock. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
-Bonjour. -Bonjour. -Quand est le prochain bateau pour Timbuktu, s'il vous plait? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:17 | |
-Juillet. -Juillet? Juillet?! -Oui. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
-Alors! A Juillet... Mars, Avril, Juin, Juillet... Three months! -Oui. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
-Trois mois?! -Oui. -C'est fini a ce moment? Le bateau est...? | 0:49:25 | 0:49:31 | |
-Arrete. -Pas marche? -Ne marche pas. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
-Pourquoi? -Je n'ai pas assez de l'eau. -Ah! Pas de l'eau - not enough water. Fair enough. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:41 | |
'The river isn't deep enough at this time of year to take steamboats. I shall have to find an alternative.' | 0:49:41 | 0:49:49 | |
Bonjour, bonjour! | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Je cherche une pinasse pour Timbuktu... | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
'The harbour master is sympathetic, and appreciates that I can't really hang around for three months. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:03 | |
'He asks around among the captains of the wood-hulled cargo boats, the pinasses, that ply the river. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:11 | |
'After some negotiation, he finds one that will take us - | 0:50:11 | 0:50:16 | |
'the Pagou Manpagu. It leaves tomorrow.' | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
'Day of departure. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
'Time for Englishman in silly hat to take on provisions.' | 0:50:31 | 0:50:36 | |
Combien? Cent? | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
-Trois cents. -Trois cents? Trois cents, c'est tres cher, n'est-ce pas? | 0:50:40 | 0:50:46 | |
Mais...vous etes tres belle. Merci. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
Au revoir. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
Look, we have some nanas! | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
The river's encouragingly busy. Indeed, it looks as if we'll be leaving in the middle of rush hour! | 0:50:57 | 0:51:04 | |
I squelch through the mud and filth | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
for what I pray will be the last time, and sling my bag on deck. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
Unfortunately, there IS no deck - | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
just an open hull below and a small farm up on the bridge. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
There's no denying the sense of anticipation as we finally get under way - | 0:51:29 | 0:51:35 | |
past my stranded ferry boat and out to join the Sahara's most famous river. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:42 | |
I'm now at last on the Niger River, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
which runs in a great curve out into the desert and back into Nigeria. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:51 | |
About 200 years ago, no Westerners had really seen it. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
They decided they had to find out about this part of Africa and the wealth being carried on the river. | 0:51:55 | 0:52:02 | |
Mungo Park, who wrote Travels Into The Interior Of Africa, was the first Westerner here, in 1796. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:08 | |
Then, of course, the race was on to try and get to Timbuktu, which was the legendary city on the river. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:16 | |
Mungo Park never made it there, but others did. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
I hope WE will - that the wind doesn't strengthen any more! | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
There's no restaurant as such on board, but food is always available. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:42 | |
The kitchen is, well, just about anywhere. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
At one stop, Kristin, a Norwegian, comes aboard. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:07 | |
She's lived in Mali for some years, studying Fulani women and customs. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
The other thing lots of people have said still goes on is circumcision - male and female circumcision. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:20 | |
Is that true, from your experience of the society? | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
It's very hard to resist, and to fight against circumcision. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
And to be a woman here, you should be circumcised. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
Do you think...? I mean, the European view would be | 0:53:34 | 0:53:39 | |
that there's something a bit barbaric and cruel and um... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:44 | |
that it ruins the pleasure of sex for women, and all that sort of thing. Do you think that's true? | 0:53:44 | 0:53:51 | |
It's quite sure that what is sexual pleasure here and in Europe, I think it's quite different. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:58 | |
And we have a tendency of thinking that sexual pleasure is quite... | 0:53:58 | 0:54:04 | |
is impossible for a circumcised woman. I don't share that opinion. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:10 | |
And what men find attractive here in Africa | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
doesn't necessarily correspond with what is attracting a man in Europe. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:19 | |
In Europe, a woman should be skinny, but here, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
-a woman should be fat. -Yeah, I've noticed. -That's very contradictory. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
'She's also a part-time Christian missionary - not an easy thing to be in a Muslim country.' | 0:54:30 | 0:54:37 | |
Isn't it hard to convert Muslims to Christianity? | 0:54:39 | 0:54:44 | |
I have never considered evangelism or the Biblical message in...in numbers, counting. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:52 | |
It's what is in the heart, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
and, you know, the most important is to love each other. | 0:54:55 | 0:55:01 | |
So if people see me and see me acting understand that, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:06 | |
and are asking me questions, I will respond to them. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:12 | |
-And if you go into a dialogue, it will be fine... -I think we've run aground! | 0:55:12 | 0:55:18 | |
-We ran aground? -This is the hazard of going up the Niger River! | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
It looks very wide, but it's very shallow, especially at this point, don't you think? We hit a sandbank. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:29 | |
-It's not profound at all. -What? -It's very common. -Is it? -Yes. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:35 | |
-So they're going to push us off with those great big poles? -Yes, I think. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
-Do you travel up the Niger a lot? -Yes. -Do you? -Yes. I love it. -Really? | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
It gives me a great satisfaction. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
-It's so colm... -Calm! -Calm? -Yes. It's very tranquil at the moment, isn't it? | 0:55:47 | 0:55:55 | |
'As the mighty River Niger is revealed to be barely waist-deep, | 0:55:55 | 0:56:00 | |
'there's not much to do except find out a little more about each other.' | 0:56:00 | 0:56:05 | |
Have you any idea of the number of converts, people who have converted to Protestantism? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:11 | |
-I know... -You know? -..people that have been converted. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:17 | |
-From Islam to...? -From Islam to Christianity. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
We have been working in Mali for 15 years. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
Just to determine my... | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
-Determine? What do you call it? -To determine? Determine. -..the number...it's improper. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:35 | |
-I don't... -100? 1,000? -It's not a good question. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
It's like, it's not what it's about at all, the numbers. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:44 | |
Even though it was 100 or 1,000 or even one, it's the same thing. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
-It's important to be present and to act in society. -Yeah. Mm. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:55 | |
And to get people to see what they are doing. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
-And I don't count in souls or converted... -No, I just... | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
roughly, whether you knew if it was thousands or hundreds or ones or twos, that was all. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:10 | |
Because then I can say, "Yes, well, a number of people have converted in Mali." But I don't know how many. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:16 | |
-So you're not going to tell me. -No. I think it's a ridiculous question. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:22 | |
-After another day and a half on the river, I'll ask again! -Maybe! | 0:57:22 | 0:57:27 | |
Perhaps not surprisingly, Kristin jumps ship to avoid more questions, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
and goes ashore on a fishing boat, which is probably just as well, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:45 | |
as there's only one hammock. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
Well, it's about 6:35, night falling over Africa, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:52 | |
and, um...we're still on the same sandbank we stuck on earlier, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
when I was talking to Kristin, | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
so I don't know how long it's going to be... | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
It could be all night. But it's very comfortable in hammock class. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:10 | |
Well, no-one ever said getting to Timbuktu would be easy. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
So what more can an Englishman do, but lie back and think of Africa? | 0:58:14 | 0:58:20 | |
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