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This programme contains some violent scenes, very strong language from the start | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
and scenes which some viewers may find disturbing. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
He would never have come to Nottingham if it had been up to him. You get that a lot. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
"Fate fucked me over." | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
CAR HORN BEEPS | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
INDICATOR CLICKS | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
SIREN BLARES | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
We were like sisters should be. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
We were like the sisters people mean when they say two people are like sisters. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
He bought us drinks. Um, he was wearing a denim jacket. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
I said "Ignore him," but she said, "Why?" | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
-POOL BALLS RATTLE -We were playing pool. He came over. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
He said "Don't worry, I'm a priest." | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
She thought that was funny. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
He said, um, the drinks were for two nuns who hadn't turned up. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
She laughed. She said, "Would WE do?" | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
He wanted to put his name down. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
Erin picked up the drink and drank it in a way that meant, yeah, he could. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Stefan. S-T-E-F-A-N. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
I mean, I have done stuff. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
Just cos I've done stuff, that don't mean... My nephew's getting christened today. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
I'm supposed to be his godfather. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
He'll have no godfather now. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
We had the same tattoos. We were getting another one. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
"When the sun shines, we shine together, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
"told you I'll be here for ever." | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
She had sensitive skin. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
She needed a couple of drinks first, and that's why we were in The Royal. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
Look, I HAVE done stuff. I never said that I haven't done stuff. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
-I'll fucking show you, then, you fucking prick! -Argh! | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
But that does not mean that I did this. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
She lent me her purse to buy pizza. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
No comment. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
No comment. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Look, they asked me over to play pool! | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
I-I was minding my own business! | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
I shouldn't even have fucking been there. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
I said, "Just ignore him." She should've ignored him, like I said. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
You know, my mum warned me about Nottingham. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
"Always grief," she said, "Nottingham." | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
She said, "It's there, look, right there, start of the word - 'Not'." | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
I remember that. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Grief. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
Grief. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
We lived together. Always. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
Almost always. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Flat 4/5, Caxton House, Vernon Road, Basford, Nottingham. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
-Since we were kids. -CHILDREN GIGGLE | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
'Since we were kids.' | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Stefan! | 0:05:14 | 0:05:15 | |
The chalk squeaked when he wrote his name. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
I said it was "winner stays on". | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
Erin's the dead one. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
She was looking at me. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Yeah, she'd look down the pool cue, and then just before she potted the ball, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
there'd be a little look up at me. WOMAN LAUGHS | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
And they could play, both of them. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
He was just minding his business at the bar. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
And this pretty girl playing pool kept giving him the eye. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
So he gets them a couple of drinks and he goes over. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
'The youngest one, Coleen, she didn't want me there.' | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
He thought he was funny. A "priest." | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
"Very dry," he kept saying. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
Everything that Erin said, he said it was "very dry." | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
I said, "Don't forget we're going for these tattoos." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
The younger one wanted to go, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
the older one didn't fancy it, the tattoo. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
So, you know, he was being gentlemanly. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
He kept on buying her drinks. Us. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
So then Erin says, "Let's go and get some pizza." | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
It must have been, I don't know, 7pm? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Erin said, "Anything, as long as it's not pizza." | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
She didn't like going in there cos the bloke was a knob. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
But Stefan grabbed her bag and went in. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
-Didn't want to go in. "Would -I -go in?" Gives me her purse, right? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
POLICE RADIO DISPATCH | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
So, when he came out, she said, "Give it back." | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
And he said, "I'll give it back at the flat." | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
So he knew our address cos he'd seen it on her licence. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
She said, "Let's sit here, at the bus stop." | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
He said, "No, the flat." | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
He walked off with her bag and the pizzas. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
I had a really bad feeling. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
They weren't laughing now. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
LIFT WHIRRS | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
In the lift, it all went quiet. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Except, it was in the air, I'll be honest with you. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Coleen hadn't said a word for about an hour cos of missing the tattoo. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
Then, erm, she cheered up all of a sudden. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Said, had I ever played spin the bottle? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
He said, did we know spin the bottle? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
-I said it was a game for kids. And he said, "Not the way -I -play it." | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
-'Emergency. What service do you require?' -You've got to come now, please. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
-POLICE SIRENS BLARE -'Can you give me the address?' | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
I'm scared he's still here. He's hurt my sister. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
-He's hurt my sister... -'Just stay calm.' -He's hurt my sister! | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
He was arrested at 22:47 | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
during a high-speed chase, driving the victim's car. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
He wasn't from Nottingham, and he was driving away. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
He said that a lot. For a while, it was either that or "No comment." | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
No comment. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
No comment. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
"I shouldn't have been in Nottingham," he said. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
"I shouldn't have been in Nottingham." | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Something his mother had told him. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
If he hadn't been in Nottingham, none of this would've happened. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
By which I took him to mean the murder. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
Yeah, "Strip spin the bottle," she said. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
"If it points to me, I take something off." | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
She was bollock-naked inside of 15 minutes. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
She says, "If it points to me again, I start putting stuff on now." | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
This is Coleen I'm talking about. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
Putting other people's stuff on. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
He took the washing line off the balcony | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
and tied it round the bathroom door handle, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
and pushed me in there and tied it somewhere so I couldn't get out. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
He would never have come to Nottingham if it had been up to him. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
You get that a lot. "Fate fucked me over!" | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
She had my jacket on with my wallet in it, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
and she went to the bathroom and locked the door and started singing. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
So she couldn't hear me. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
That's why I'm kicking the door. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
And I could hear him... And I could hear her, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
and I was shouting "What's he doing to you, what's he doing?" | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
And, yeah, I might have pushed her, but that was it. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
I was shouting, "What's he done to you? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
"What's he done?" | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
And I was shaking the door and shaking it, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
and the washing line came off and I fell back. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
He'd been to see a friend of his in Doncaster where he lives. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
And this pal was just off to watch the Rovers away. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
He said, "Why didn't Stefan get on the coach, and that way, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
"he'd be out of the way of these young lads he was hiding from." | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
The Coppett brothers. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
'She tried to open a can of lager, but the opener with the tab bit had snapped off,' | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
so she tried to push it in with her finger. She cut it, it bled like fuck, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
and that's how I've got her blood all over my fingernails and everywhere. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
But I just fucking left them to it. They're fucking crazy women! | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
I thought he was going to come in. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
And I was scared to go out. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
I was...calling, "Erin... | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
"Erin." | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Like a whisper. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
It was only after they were well on their way that he asked who Rovers were playing, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
and his pal said, "Nottingham Forest." | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
"Erin. Erin." | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Shame for me they weren't playing Derby County. Her too. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:37 | |
Yeah, I might have pushed her but that was it. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
"Fate fucked me over." | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
I asked him if he had a thing about sisters. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Some men do. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
Look, someone else killed her. I didn't kill her. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
Someone broke in and killed her, but not me. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Someone got into their flat after I left and killed her. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
Robbery gone wrong. Nothing more than that. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
He went there for anything he could get and it blew up in his face. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
I've not done anything I've not been fucking caught for. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
"Fate fucked me over." | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
She lent me her purse to buy the pizza. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
If someone lends you something, they lend you what's in it, don't they? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
They lend you their purse, and that purse has a key in it, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
and that key opens a car, and then starts a car, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
then, you haven't stolen a car. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
Look, I HAD been drinking, I'm not denying that. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
Look, my hands are up to that. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Cause of death was blows to the head with a blunt instrument or instruments. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
One to the left at the front, three or four more to the back at the right. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
The indentation to the front is semi-spherical in shape and less injurious. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
The fractures to the back of the skull are penetrative and V-shaped. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
There were other blows and kicks and a bite to the arm, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
but it was the blows to the head that killed her. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Scene-of-crime investigation suggests the murder weapon | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
was a rectangular Amaretto bottle found at the scene, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
and this tallies with the V-shape of some of the indentations, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
presumably caused by the bottle's corners. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
We had her blood on his jacket and shoes. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Her blood on the steering wheel. His prints on the bottle. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
We had an eyewitness statement from the sister. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
We had him. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
I've got two brothers and they're both every bit as bad as me. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
And I've got two sisters who are angels. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
They're nurses, both of them. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
And I've got another brother who's learning difficulties. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
He wasn't born right, wouldn't hurt a fly. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
So how does that one turn out, then? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
Half of us bad, half of us good? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
-WOMAN: -I couldn't believe it when they arrested Coleen, but then I could. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
CAR ALARM BLASTS | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
That's Coleen on the left, and Erin, the one who got killed. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
They were arguing because Coleen wanted to get this tattoo, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
and Erin wanted to stay in the pub. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
I feel bad, because I told Erin that Coleen's boyfriend had a love-bite from his ex. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
That's what he told me. Next to his nipple. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
And then Erin was like, "Well, wait to see him and have it out," | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
and Coleen was like, "No, we're going to get this tattoo." | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
And Erin's got this temper... Well, they both have. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
And, well, watch. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Look, catfight! | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
And that's the guy that got arrested. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
He comes in and pulls them apart. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
That was those two laughing. and then just scratching eyes out. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
I do love a development. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
We enhanced the video taken off the mobile phone. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
It looks like nothing, but then you see it. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Look... | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
Look, there. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
It's a bloody pool ball! | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
I didn't really think I was neutral | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
but the police said you didn't have to be neutral to be a witness. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
They'd seen it on YouTube. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
'They said they wished I filmed all the trouble round here.' | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Would have taken Ricky Hatton down, that. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
I was a friend of Coleen's boyfriend, that's why I filmed it. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Thought he'd think it was funny. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Now I just don't know. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:12 | |
She calls me "H". | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
She said I don't deserve my full name. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
That's how she treats me. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
One day I'm, like, outcast - the next she can't get enough. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
She must have phoned me 25 times that day. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
-Texts? -I stopped counting. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
I never even looked at the texts, or the voicemail. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
I know what she's like when she's drinking... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
..but then I did have a look. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
And I just thought it was more of her bullshit. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Yeah, we did have arguments - we're sisters. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Like the washing up, tattoos, love bites. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Sometimes, Erin, she needs a slap and she knows it herself. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
Stuff builds up in her. It's for her own good. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
She thought it was funny that H had a love-bite. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
And he gives them to himself. He gives them to himself | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
and then says that his ex-girlfriend did them, and she knows that. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
'Fresh thinking.' | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
One of those injuries wasn't Stefan... | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
at least one. Maybe even the fatal one. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Like, erm, she worked in Watermeadow Place... | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
..in the show home, showing people round. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
She put a deposit on one of the flats there. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Like we were just going to go and move there. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
-I said, "No way am -I -moving." | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
She said, "Why?", I said, "You know why...Mum." | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
She said, "Mum'll find us if she comes," but I just said, "No way... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
"No. No way, no way, no way." | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Yeah, she was a rubbish mum but I loved her. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
She couldn't handle us. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
She'd put me in the bathroom and tie the door shut till I calmed down. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
And one day she just left. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Erin would never go without me. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
And I said to them... | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
"If you look at that, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
"it looks as though you're pulling her towards the flat | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
"against her will. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
"Like you're doing what he's telling you." | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
She didn't answer that. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
I said, "So, you have arguments, and we know you hit her in the pub. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
"What about later on? What about at the flat? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
"Did you hit her there... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
"with the Amaretto bottle? Did you both hit her?" | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
No reply. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
I said, "Just say no if you didn't. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
"Otherwise I'll infer that you did." | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
No reply. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
I said, "So, I'll infer that you did." | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
No reply. I repeated, | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
"I'm entitled to infer that you did if you won't say you didn't." | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
Silence. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Long silence. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
I can handle silence... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
she can't outdo me on silence. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
You're looking at the bloke who sits by a river with a rod in his hand | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
saying nothing to no-one for days on end. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Then she just says... | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
"I did." | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
Two things she could've meant by that... | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
first, "I did say that I didn't." | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Second, "I did hit my sister with the bottle later in the flat." | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
"Which of those two do you mean?" I said. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
'We're sisters. We argue...' | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
'He killed her.' | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Closed up. Moment was gone. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
WOMAN: The pool-ball injury wasn't fatal | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
but we found traces of Coleen Lowell's skin | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
under Erin's fingernails... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and traces of Erin's under Coleen's. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
No scratching on the footage taken by the barmaid | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
and no scratches visible on either of them here. So...? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
I was arrested at 11 at night... | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
I was drunk, I was speeding. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
If I hadn't been doing those things | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
then maybe I'd still be a free man now | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
cos she never knew my second name or where I was from. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
But the clincher, right? You'll like this - look. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
You spin a bottle, you hold it like this. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
We had both the suspects' prints | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
on the Amaretto bottle in this sort of area - | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
and the deceased's. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:40 | |
But if you want to kill someone with it, this is how you hold it. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
Big heavy thing, that Amaretto bottle. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
Whose fingerprints you think we found round this section? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:54 | |
Both of them. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Oh, yeah, we upset her, me and Coleen. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
We had sex and she didn't like it. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
She hit the fucking roof - thought me and her should be doing it. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Well, that was the way they'd fucking worked it anyway. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
So, she lost the plot completely - | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
started screaming, shouting, scratching out | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
but we never fucking killed her! | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
She was a virgin and she thought her moment had come, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
but he couldn't keep his hands off me. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-MAN: -Joint enterprise - R v Swindall and Osborne, 1846. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Two cart drivers were racing, pedestrian got killed. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
They wouldn't say which hit him. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
Since both were "equally encouraging the other in the race" | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
it was deemed irrelevant which of them had actually struck the man. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
Joint enterprise. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
Joint enterprise? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
Till they get to court, that is. Then it's cut-throat. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
What, I encouraged her and she encouraged me | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
and together we killed her sister?! | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
Fuck me. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
He'll have no godfather now. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Stefan Hollick, 25, of Springhill, Doncaster. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
All this, it could bring her back. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Coleen Lowell, 23, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Flat 4/5, Caxton House, Vernon Road, Basford, Nottingham. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
So this is the story of what's just happened. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
I said, "When the Detective Inspector asked you | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
"if you'd hit your sister at the flat, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
"why did you make no clear reply?" | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
I said, "Stefan Hollick is a man of violence." | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
I showed her the documents. She could be in no doubt. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
I said, "It was you that said not to accept the drinks from him. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
"It was you that wanted to leave the pub and go and get the tattoo. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
"It was you that said to ignore him. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
"On all counts your instincts were proved right | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
"and tragedy followed because your instincts were overruled. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
"It's an absurdity that they've got you here. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
"Why did you make no clear reply to DI Sheehy's question?" | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
She said, "Because I hit her." I said "Yes, you did..." | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
I said, "We've all seen that. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
"We've all seen that on the video footage from the pub, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
"on Deena Pritchard's camera phone. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
"It forms part of the evidence against you. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
"She said, "No," but I said, "Yes, I'm afraid so. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
"It's there for all to see on the camera phone. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
"There's no getting away from it." | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Oh. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
I said, "The boyfriend, H... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
"..another man of violence - | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
"are you protecting him?" | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
She looked at me then. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
I said, "The bite mark, the bite mark on your sister's arm... | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
"..not a playful bite. A deep bite. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
"A bloody bite... | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
"Two men of violence... | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
"Two men who like to hurt women." | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
I said, "Should I get that bite mark forensically examined?" | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
She had a tear in the corner of each eye, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
she didn't trust herself to speak, but she nodded. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I said, "In that case, I will." | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
I never bit no-one. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
There's no way they can make me take that test. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Tooth's broke anyhow. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
The bite mark is hers. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
HE WHISPERS | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
"I have a confession to make... | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
"I have a confession to make... I have a confession to make, my Lord. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
"I have a confession to make, my Lord. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
"I bit my wife... | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
"I have a confession to make, my Lord. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
"I bit my wife last night... | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
"I have a confession to make, my Lord. I bit my wife last night... | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
"..but I can assure you my intention was very far from murderous." | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
It'll make the jury uncomfortable but they won't forget it. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
"The prosecution are going to worm things out of you in court | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
"and you're going to look like a nasty liar, so tell me them now." | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
That's my brief. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:23 | |
Aka, he already thinks I look like a nasty little liar | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
and he doesn't want me living up to appearances. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
I'm a decorated fucking war hero. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
He says, "Yeah, yeah, no, we'll make sure they're aware of that." | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
Coleen wanted me to have sex with her sister. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
She was a virgin. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
So I said, "I will if I can have you first." | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
"Yeah, that's in your statement to the police," he said. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
I said, "Patience... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
"After Erin caught us at it, she went and fetched a kitchen knife, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
"chased Coleen into the bathroom | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
"and then tied the washing line round the door handle. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
I tried to get her to do it then, but she'd changed her mind..." | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
"Are you saying you tried to rape Erin Lowell?" | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
"Well, I was pretty far past fucking base camp with her sister | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
"when all hell broke loose. How would YOU feel?" | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
"Are you saying you tried to rape Erin Lowell...?" | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
"She wanted to have sex with me... | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
"They both wanted that." | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
"But did you try and rape her?" | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
"Well, I won't be making that mistake again. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
"She'd kept that knife nice and handy." | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
"And what did you do to her...?" | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
He said, "Do you really think they're not going to ask you this in court?" | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
Right, "I pushed her on the bed." | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
He's like, "The bed where she was found dead?" | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
I felt like saying, "Whose fucking side are you on? | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
"I don't know where she was found dead | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
"cos she was live and kicking when I left that flat." | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
"Anything else...?" | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
"Yeah, I might have given her a slap or two." | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
"Now when you say, 'a slap'..." | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
I said, "I mean a slap. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
"She tried to fucking stab me with that knife..." | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
"And what did you do...?" | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
"I ran...and I stole Erin Lowell's handbag from the hallway..." | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
"But you didn't kill her?" he says. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
"No, I didn't kill her." | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
"You've told me everything?" | 0:27:27 | 0:27:28 | |
"I've told you everything." "Do you feel better?" | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
I said, "What kind of a cunt steals a woman's handbag | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
"after trying to rape her?" | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
He says, "A thief and a rapist." | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
She came to me in a dream and said, "Scatter my ashes there." | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Mum, not Erin. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
I got a visiting order. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
I thought it was someone's sick joke at first. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
It said, "Ms E Lowell." | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
All I could think was Erin... | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
Erin coming to visit me. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
The girl in the next cell did my hair and nails, erm, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
and lent me these trousers. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
The top, my friend from work brought in, shoes I had. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Didn't know if she'd want to see me. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
I haven't been in contact. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
Very often I was about to, but... | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
She might only want to see me to tell me to go to hell! | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
The mother and child reunion. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
You know, I said to Erin, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
I said and I said, and I said, "She'll be back. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
"She'll be back..." | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
And now here she is! | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
Coleen hasn't seen her mother since she was 14... | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
..but every time she mentioned her she just glowed - | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
she was 14 again. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
I'm thinking, "I need this woman in the public gallery." | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
Oh, yeah, we could all get our fucking mothers in! | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
You think that's justice? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:18 | |
"My mum says I didn't do it"?! | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Fuck off. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:22 | |
No, actually, knowing my mum, she would probably say, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
"Yeah, well, he might have done, yeah." | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
I was a fuck-up as a mum... | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
I don't know if she'll want to see me. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
I've thought about this day a million times... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
What would I say? At first I had loads of questions but not now. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
I know what I'm going to say. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
I'm just going to say, "Don't ever go away again." | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
They were cruel to each other. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
They said cruel things ABOUT each other. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
"You're fat." "You look like a man." | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
"You look like a lesbian." | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
"Your skin looks like meat," Erin said once...to her sister. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
Whatever they could think of to hurt the other one the most. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
I didn't know what to do. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
Always fighting. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
What should a mother do? | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I'd been diagnosed with cancer. I needed to tell them. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
When I came home from work, they were pulling each other's hair out. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
Great clumps of hair. Fighting. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
Biting. Kicking. There was blood. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
I told Erin I'd started my period and she didn't believe me. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
I showed her the pad, and she said that weren't menstrual blood, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
that I'd cut myself and put it on there. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
They didn't hear me shouting, so I thought, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
"Well, I'll go round the park for ten minutes." That was all. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
"And then when I come back home they'll be calm, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
"and I'll be able to tell them what I need to tell them." | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
So I said, "Where have I cut myself then? Where, where?" | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
I was pulling my clothes off. "Where?" | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
So I did go round the park. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
And then I went in The Royal. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
And when I came out of The Royal... | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
I got on a bus. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
It's not like I stood there waiting at the bus stop. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
It was there already when I came out. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
A bus looks cheerful in the dark, lit up inside. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
But when I got off the bus, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
I got on another one that went to Derby. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
And that one I DID wait for. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
I was walking along the Ashbourne Road, and I was thinking, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
"Ashbourne Road begins with an A. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
"I'll just keep walking until I see a road that begins with a Z." | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
I stuck out my thumb. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
A lorry driver came. Straight away. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Just like how the bus was right there. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
He was going to Carlisle. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
It was very quiet after. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
We slept in Mum's bed that night. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
We got taken into care. Fostered. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
Apart. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
I ran away back to the flat to see if Mum had come back. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
But I didn't have a key. I could see in. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
All our things were still in there. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
The woman who was fostering me, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
she said they'd have given the flat to another family, but they hadn't. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
That's how I knew she was coming home. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
We did get back to the flat. Erin got to 17. They said she could look after me. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:26 | |
It's high-risk, having them meet. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
Not that I could prevent it. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
Coleen's waited nine years for this, and she's never given up hope. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Her mother's like the Virgin Mary and Cheryl Cole rolled into one for her. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
Things go well, she'll glow with 100 watts of innocence right through the trial, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
and we'll blow everyone else out of the water. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Things go badly, I'm not sure she'll even care if they send her down. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
COLEEN SOBS | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
There is something about being locked out of your own flat and looking in. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:47 | |
It's like being dead. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
COLEEN WHIMPERS | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
'I talked to her. She's amazing. She's beautiful. Like Erin. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:08 | |
'I said, "I knew you were coming back." | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
'Erin said you were dead, but I knew you weren't. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
'I knew you loved us and you wanted to come back, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
'but something meant that you couldn't. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
'And everything I said, she was just like, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
' "Yeah, that's it, that's it." ' | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
She understood. She could see it. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
I knew everything there was to know about her. And she understood me. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
I told her everything that happened - | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
Erin wanting to go and live at Watermeadow Place | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
and the day it all happened, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
and me thinking, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
"If she just wasn't a virgin, she wouldn't be wanting to go. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
"She'd have moved on in herself and she'd be happy where she was." | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
And everything that happened because of that. And she understood me. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
I'm not saying she's faultless. She made a mistake, and it was this - | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
she allowed her resentment at Erin's refusal to take her advice | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
to get the better of her and she sided - briefly but significantly - | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
with Hollick, and she goaded her sister. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
If there was joint enterprise of any kind between Stefan and Coleen, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
it was to that end and that end only. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
Relieving her 27-year-old sister of her burdensome virginity. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
She said it wasn't my fault, it was HER fault. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
She said it couldn't be helped. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
It...it COULDN'T be helped. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
We cried together for Erin. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
First time I've cried since that night. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
When she was going, she held my hand. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
She smells the same. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
She's going to pray for me. Pray they let me go. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
Sisters don't kill sisters. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
Google it - "sister killing sister". | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
You get Cleopatra, Roman legends, some Icelandic rock band. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
Sisters don't kill sisters. Sororicide, it happens. Their brothers kill them. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
Sometimes they kill their brothers. But sisters? Google it. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
Actually, don't Google it till after the trial. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
My mum, right... My brother, OK, fair enough, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
deep down he's not as much of a cunt as I am, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
but with her, it's like we're Cain and Abel and I'm the... | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
You know, which one's the bad motherfucker? | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Well, that's how she sees it. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
And what fucks me off the most, right, is that I'm the one who tries. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
He doesn't give a shit, him. Like, Mother's Day. "What? What's that?" | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
Yeah? I'm sending her flowers from Afghani-fucking-stan, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
and he lives three streets away poncing off her wage packet | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
but he's the one with the sunshiny arsehole. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
Not when I got my leg blown off. She says to me, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
' "Well, they're not going to want you now, are they?" ' | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
HELICOPTER WHIRRS AND SOLDIERS SHOUT | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Would you catch me saying something like that to my godson? | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
'Move back, move back!' | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
'Fuck off.' | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Bring it on. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
Murder stops time. It's like musical chairs. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
One minute there's music and running around, and the next - bang - | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
there's not enough room for someone, they're gone. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Everything that was going on before, all that merry dance, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
all that fiasco we call life, now you have to make sense of it. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
At least, that's the job of the prosecution. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
I won't see my godson just yet. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
They don't want him in a place like this. I can see that. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
Not that he IS my godson yet. He's not even been christened yet. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Not even welcomed into the family of Christ until I'm out of here. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
In limbo is what he is. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
Waiting. | 0:39:58 | 0:39:59 | |
'Every day she sat there. Every day.' | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
Stayed right to the end, right till the judge sent the jury out. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
She'll be there now. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:08 | |
Not in the public gallery, they empty that, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
but maybe in, like, a caff round the corner. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Waiting for the jury to come out. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
Waiting for the verdict, same as me. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
Wondering what it's going to be. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
Wondering what she'll say to me. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
Wondering if we'll live together again. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
I saw once, er, where a tennis player won a match | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
and he climbed up through the crowd to his dad, right up in the stand. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
That's what I'll be like. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
If the jury comes back in and the judge asks their decision | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
and they say, "Coleen Lowell - not guilty," that's what I'll be like. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Straight to Mum. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:54 | |
I plotted a simple line. I held to it. I stayed above the fray. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
She was glowing, I was glowing. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
All the time, above my head, like a banner, "Sisters don't kill sisters." | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
'She's nailed-on guilty.' | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
I don't care what Arlo fucking-Raglin says. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
I saw him in the gents'. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
When I was at school, there was a kid. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
When you were having a piss, he'd walk along the line at the urinal - | 0:41:22 | 0:41:28 | |
five, six, seven of you taking a leak - | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
give each of you a push. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Just a little push, but you'd be covered in piss. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
That's what came back to me when I saw him in the gents. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
'What I keep thinking about, erm, I was in a band once. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
'You know, for about two weeks.' | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
And, erm, anyway when you go on stage in a pub or whatever and they dim the lights down, | 0:41:56 | 0:42:02 | |
just for a minute, people shut up and they look at you. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
Right, and you plug your guitar in and you get this... | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
All of a sudden, this quite loud, kind of buzz and crackle and clunk. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
You know, you're wired up. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
And you're stood there and you're thinking, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
"Fucking hell! The possibilities." | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
Yeah, so that's what I keep thinking about. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
-HE SPITS -Who puts pips in grapes now? | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
BELL CHIMES | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
A great leveller - piss in your pants. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
My wife gives me these, otherwise I eat Pringles. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
"Sisters don't kill sisters," he says. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
Well, this one did. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:01 | |
The next best thing to pissing his pants... | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
boyfriend of the accused, Heskett Jupp. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
That took the smile off his face. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
It was like I blocked it out of my mind. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
He saw the two of them together. The sisters, on the bed. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
After Stefan had fled, you know, the co-accused. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
Like they were waiting. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
He'd never told anyone. Not even Coleen. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
Blurted out of him in court. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
One alive, one dead on the mother's bed. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
Court went quiet. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
Raglin, face like a smacked arse. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
There it was, out there like someone else had said it. DOG BARKS | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
Stefan Hollick's lawyer says, "When was the last time you saw Erin Lowell alive?" | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
And I just... I said, "She was on the bed, but she was dead then." | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
"What bed, where?" | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
"In Coleen's mum's room, lying there with Coleen." "When was this?" | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
"The night she died." "What time?" "About ten." | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
Just... Just like they were waiting. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
Everything went quiet. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
And then they just started tearing through those pages in them binders what they have. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
"You were there at the flat on the night," he said. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
Just a LITTLE push. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
"Was I? Yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, I WAS there." | 0:44:23 | 0:44:28 | |
Then I looked at Coleen. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
"Heskett Jupp." I thought, "Heskett Jupp, not H." | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
CHILDREN SHOUT IN BACKGROUND | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
-I'm going! -Stefan's brief asked me what I said to that. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
I said, "I don't say anything to that." | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
He kept on. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
"What's your reaction to what the witness said?" | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
Nothing. Nothing. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
Silence. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Then she said, "It's true." | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
Nothing quite like the sight of a highly paid QC | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
with a dead sheep on his head trying to summon up a shit-eating smile. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
Rethink. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
Raglin gets his wits about him. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
He starts trying to unsettle the whole thing to suit him. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
Crown seems very surprised by this. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
Perhaps they'd like to take some time to consider developments. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
Fuck you, Raglin. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
Answer the fucking question. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
Why was she cowering in the bathroom when PC Sinton arrived | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
if she was lying on the bed 20 minutes before? | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
The Crown couldn't give too much credence to what he said or it would | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
look like a most catastrophic oversight on their part. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Did he answer the question? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
There was a lot of... hurried scrabbling back | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
through witness statements and the interviews. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
-Did he fuck! -His honour suggested a short recess. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
He asked for a recess. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Rethink. Regroup. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:04 | |
Give the man credit - he knows a turning point. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
I think of something untouched by this. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Like stinking cells, the shit people do to each other, lies they tell. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
What is it? | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
A baby. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:18 | |
A newborn baby, think of that. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
One, right, I'm a man of violence. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
How many times have I heard that in the last three weeks? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
I was a soldier for eight years, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:28 | |
you don't get the medals I've got frothing milk. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
Two, the leg. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
I'm sensitive about the leg, I've got a short fuse. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
You know, I am sensitive about the fucking leg, as it happens. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
But it wasn't Erin who called me a cripple, it was my "co-defendant". | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
So what does that prove? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
Three, my so-called brief. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
Right, having him defending me and Raglin defending her, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
that's like putting pea-shooters up against fucking Iron Man. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
Yeah, sisters don't kill sisters. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
It might not be true, but at least it's fucking memorable. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
Rethink. Regroup. Return. Here are some questions. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
H said he peeped in at the bedroom door | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
and saw Erin dead on the bed, with Coleen beside her. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
How could he tell she was dead? He peeped in and ran away. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
How could he tell that Stefan Hollick had already departed? | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Good questions. Did I ask them? I did not. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
I asked a different question, and then I answered it. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
Why was Coleen in the bathroom when the police arrived? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
Finally. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
Because, when Coleen broke out of the bathroom where Stefan Hollick | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
had imprisoned her, she found her sister dead on the floor. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
Naked. Dead. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
I thought of Mum. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
She thought of her mum. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
Her mum, who's here today - as she is every day - | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
standing by her wrongly accused daughter. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
The dead woman's naked body - | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
what they always say, in newspapers, on the radio. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
I used to think that about Mum. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
I didn't want that to be her. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
I did not want that to be Erin, either. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
Incredulous, and inconsolable... | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
I bit her to wake her up. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
Bit her hard. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
My client put a dress on her sister and laid her on their mother's bed. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
I thought I heard him. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
And then she heard a sound, the sound of the door. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Perhaps it was the sound of H scuttling off into the night. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
Coming back. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:37 | |
Or perhaps it was the sound of someone coming back? | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
Stefan Hollick, coming back. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
For his jacket, for his wallet, for who knows what else? | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
Beside herself with fear, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
Coleen did something that she is deeply ashamed of. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:56 | |
She abandoned her dead sister. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
I left her on the bed. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
I hid in the bathroom. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
I thought he was coming, I called the police. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
You may think that's forgivable. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
Coleen Lowell doesn't. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
Give the man credit, that was class. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
And that, right there, that's where I won the case. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
When they arrived, the police had to break down the bathroom door. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
We could have done without the fucking mother. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
He's not my nephew. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
He's my son. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:01 | |
My brother was away on a job when he was conceived, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
but he hadn't worked that out. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
She didn't want him to. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
She told him the baby was premature, but it wasn't. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
He came in here, actually, came to break it to me | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
that they were going ahead with the christening. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
That they couldn't wait now. You know, not now. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
She wrote to me, begging me not to tell him. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
I just showed him the letter. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:31 | |
Yeah, that was a short visit. Won't be repeated. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
He'll never be able to look at that boy | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
without seeing me shagging his wife. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
The man she was living with died and left her some money. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
I said, "This is where Erin wanted to live. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
"This is where you told me in a dream to scatter Erin's ashes." | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
And she said, "This is where we'll live. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
"There's two flats left, we're going to look round them both." | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
And we're getting the tattoos - | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
the one me and Erin were going to get. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
She wanted to take one last look around the flat on her own. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
I've arranged everything here. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
In court they wanted to know why his fingerprints | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
were on the neck of the bottle. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
He said he'd used it to batter at the bathroom door. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
He wanted his jacket back, the photos of his godson. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
I'm one of those people that other people like kicking. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
I'm talking about my old man, teachers at school, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:47 | |
coppers, obviously, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
officers in the army, the fucking Taliban, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
Coleen Lowell and her smartarse lawyer. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
And my brother, now that he's found out, | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
and his slapper of a fucking so-called wife. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I started thinking, do you know what? | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
I am sick of getting up just to get kicked back down again. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
And in here, right, there's loads of people like me. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
People who've taken a kicking. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
And not just one kicking - I'm talking about a lifetime of kicking. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
They've got someone else now, doing the showing-round. She knew Erin. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
She's going to show us round. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
Whether he did it or not, I'm not really sure any more. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
But SHE did. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
But then, who am I to judge? | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
SCREAMING AND GIGGLING | 0:52:56 | 0:52:57 | |
Bitch! | 0:53:00 | 0:53:01 | |
Open the door! | 0:53:06 | 0:53:07 | |
Right... | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
You can stay in there, you cow! | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
-Grow up, Erin. -Fucking slag. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
Open the door. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
What were you doing?! | 0:53:19 | 0:53:20 | |
LAUGHING: Shit. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
You're joking. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:23 | |
RATTLING THE DOOR | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
-What were you doing with her? -What you got a knife for? | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
-Eh?! -All right, fucking calm down. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
-Why didn't you wait for me? -Have you gone fucking mad? | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
-What's he doing to you?! -Put the knife down. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
Why didn't you wait for me? | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
Come in here, come on, we'll talk about it. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
Open the fuck... Open the door! | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
Let me out! | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
You like messing about with knives, do you? | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
Erin! | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
I'll show you how to fucking play! | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
Open it! Open the door! | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
Stefan! | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
Erin! | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
Leave her alone. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:17 | |
Coleen? | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
What are you doing? What's going on? | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
Coleen, will you give me my jacket back? | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
Give me my fucking jacket back, you little slag! | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
You think I'm fucking pissing about?! | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
I'm not scared of you! You can piss off home! | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
-Go! -You fucking stay there! -Get out or I'll fucking kill you! | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
You want me to do some damage, I'll do you some fucking damage! | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
GET OUT! | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
Erin, get him out! | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
I'm going. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
Fuck off, you're fucking mad, you are! | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
I haven't forgotten about that fucking jacket! | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
Get out! | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
Let me out. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
You can rot in there waiting for Mum... | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
who's dead, by the way! | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
-You don't know that! -You ruined it! | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
You ruined everything - you always fucking do! | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
-No, YOU'VE ruined everything! -I fucking hate you! | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
-She's dead! -You don't know that! | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
I'm never looking at you, never! | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
Not dead! | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
That's our mother! | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
You don't know anything! | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
She's not, she's not fucking dead! | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
Erin? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
She's dead, she's dead, she's dead! | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
You take that back, what you said about Mum. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
She's dead! | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
She's dead! She's dead! She's DEAD! | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
SCREAMING | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
Erin...? | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Did I want to appeal? | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
There were grounds for it, they said. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
I felt like saying, "Do you know what? | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
"People don't seem to find me that fucking appealing." | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
I can see why Erin liked showing people round here. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
I can see why she wanted to live here. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
I never wanted to come see it. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
I'm with me own kind in here. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
I think I might just stay. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
I knew this is where she wanted us to be, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:16 | |
but I knew we couldn't be here. Not till Mum came back. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
Erin would have tied the washing line round the bathroom door. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
It was something I did... | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
to them. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
He wouldn't have known about that, would he? | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
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