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RADIO TRAFFIC | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
-TV: -'Tonight's space shuttle Challenger on launch pad 39B, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
'as the mammoth spacecraft...' | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
'The countdown continues for tomorrow's launch | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
'of the Space Shuttle Challenger, with its crew of seven | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
'including New Hampshire schoolteacher Christa McAuliffe. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
'But a cloudy and...' | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
'As NASA ground crews prepare the ship....' | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
'..officials believe it will be a go...' | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
RADIO TRAFFIC | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
'The Challenger mission L51 has been...' | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
'The 51L mission, ready to go.' | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
'At seven o'clock, the Challenger crew met | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
'for their traditional pre-flight breakfast...' | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
RADIO TRAFFIC | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Ladies and gentlemen of the faculty, students, quiet, please. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
Please welcome our esteemed guest lecturer, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
winner of the Einstein Award, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
one of the ten most significant physicists of all time, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics, Dr Richard Feynman. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:23 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
I bribed him to say all that nice stuff, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
clearly I just escaped from jail. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Energy, from potential to kinetic, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
gives you... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
You see that? | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
No, don't write it down. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Not till you know what it means. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:02 | |
This will not hurt you. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
It might hurt me. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Why didn't I have you write down the equation? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
You'd write it out. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
La-di-la-di-la, you'd feel pretty smart, right? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
But now you understand it. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
-Mom! Hurry Up! -I'm coming. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
TV: ..'about three minutes, and they think they can do it.' | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
'They are counting, the ice is cleared away, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
'and Challenger should be going away very soon. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
'Let's go down to the Kennedy Space Center | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
'and take a look at Challenger sitting on the pad | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
'as they continue the countdown.' | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
'Challenger's launch will be the 25th space shuttle mission. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
'It's estimated over 30,000 people have been involved...' | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
-Dale, you want some coffee? -Not now, Larry. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
'..at a total cost of nearly 40 million...' | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
'There goes Christa McAuliffe, first teacher in space. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
'During the mission, McAuliffe will be conducting scientific experiments | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
'which will be beamed live to children | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
'in schoolrooms across America. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
'The New Hampshire teacher has described Challenger | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
'as the ultimate field trip.' | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
What is science? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Science is a way to teach how some thing gets to be known. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:39 | |
In as much as anything can be known. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Because nothing is known absolutely. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
It's how to handle doubt | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
and uncertainty. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
RADIO TRAFFIC | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
'Ten, nine, eight, seven, six... | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
'we have main engine start. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
'Four, three, two, one... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
'Lift-off of the 25th space shuttle mission, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
'and it has cleared the tower.' | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
Yay! | 0:04:13 | 0:04:14 | |
'Roger roll, Challenger. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
'Challenger, go with throttle.' | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Science teaches us what the rules of evidence are. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
We mess with that at our peril. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
'One minute, 15 seconds. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
'We'll report more as we have information available. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
'Checking with the recovery forces. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
'Obviously a major malfunction. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
'We have no downlink.' | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
RADIO: 'The space agency NASA has not yet confirmed the deaths | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
'of the schoolteacher and six other astronauts | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
'who were on board the shuttle Challenger when it exploded | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
'on take-off this morning in Florida. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
'But there seems little doubt that there were any survivors. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
'NASA is conducting a news conference at this moment. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
'Challenger exploded into a fireball | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
'and pieces came down in the Atlantic Ocean...' | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
-TV: -'Never in 25 launches of the space shuttle had a life been lost. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
'Today, that record went down in flames. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
'Tonight the search for survivors turned up none. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
'The search for answers is just starting. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
'Bruce Hall begins our coverage | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
'of a spaceship that became a fireball and a national tragedy. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
'Ready for launch. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
'And lift-off. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
'And listen to the cheers of the young students | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
'of the first ever US teacher-astronaut.' | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
'Moments later, a massive explosion. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
'The cheering stops.' | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
I'm sorry, I can't watch this stuff. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
'Seven Americans with the highest hopes. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
'A billion dollars worth of the highest technology. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
'Gone in seconds. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
'The worst disaster in the US Space Program ever.' | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:06:47 | 0:06:48 | |
JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Hello. Er, hold on, hold on. No... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Wait! | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Feynman menagerie. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Sorry, who is it? Hold on, hold on. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
TURNS MUSIC DOWN | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
Who's this? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
Bill. Bill who? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
Bill Graham? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
I've got 15,000 former students. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
Listen, pal, how did you get a hold of my home number? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
You're head of what? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
NASA? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
You got your results back yet? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Nope. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
HE GROANS | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
What's bugging you? | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
Had a phone call this morning. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
They want me to go to Washington | 0:08:03 | 0:08:04 | |
and sit on a presidential inquiry thing. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
What? | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Find out why the shuttle exploded. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Did you say yes? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
I'm not even that into the space programme. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
I know people died and I'm very sorry about that, but... | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Gwen... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
I do my work, my teaching, you guys. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
They just want to say that they bagged the famous physicist guy. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:34 | |
They're a bunch of bureaucrats and generals | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
with pokers up their asses, you know? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
What? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
You just said it. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
They wouldn't know where to look. You would. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
You can't pass up a puzzle, not as important as this. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
I'm sorry, love, you're right. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
I wasn't thinking. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
Write and explain that you're not fit enough. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
I'm fit. I'm fit. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
Who are you kidding? I'm fit as a fiddle. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
What do you Yorkshire folks say? "I'm fit as a flea." | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
You want the proof? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Not especially. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
Ohh...you smell so good. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
OK, but... | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Then you'd have no excuse. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:24 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
Damn you, woman. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:09:29 | 0:09:30 | |
I'll have to wear a tie. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
'The Captain has turned on the no smoking signs. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
'At this time, please extinguish all smoking materials.' | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
Taxi! | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
It's cold. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
NASA headquarters. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
NASA, you got it. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Cold! | 0:10:12 | 0:10:13 | |
-RADIO: -'With America still in shock | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
'after the world's worst space disaster, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
'the address given by President Reagan | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
'in the hours following the accident | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
'now seems to have captured the mood of a nation.' | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
-REAGAN: -'We mourn seven heroes. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
'We mourn their loss as a nation together...' | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
So, sir, are you something to do with the enquiry there? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Yeah, I'm on the presidential commission. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Ah. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
Alongside some super-important people. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
'..slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God.' | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
'Focus now turns to the cause of the tragedy, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
'as the Presidential Commission...' | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
They gotta get back up there. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Something went really wrong. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
CAR HORNS HONK | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
-Keep that. -Thank you. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
Sir... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Can I trouble you for an autograph? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
Sure. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Who would I make it out to? | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Oh... | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
Not you, sir. I meant Mr Neil Armstrong. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
First man on the moon. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
You could mail it. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
That's my driver number, at that address. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
OK. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
-I promise. -Thank you. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
Thank you. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
So what do you expect to find? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Mr Feynman, what do you expect to find? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Pardon me. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
-Mr Armstrong, I think we met... -Excuse me. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
I'm Bill Rogers. I'm chairman of the Commission. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
We're very fortunate to have you with us. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Hey, I've got somebody who wants to meet you. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Dr Sally Ride. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
-Oh... -Our first woman in space. -Well... | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Nice to meet you. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
-You too. -Mmm. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Good journey? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
I took the red-eye from LA. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
Don't ever do it. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
Dr Alton Keel, our executive director. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Your name I recognise too. Fellow physicist. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
-Formerly. I've been in Washington several years. -Oh. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
How's your integrity? | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
-That's just insulting. -No! | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
Don't take me seriously. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
Commissioners. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
I appreciate you all coming together at short notice. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
We have a huge, vital task ahead of us, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
upon which might depend the future | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
of manned space flight in this country. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
Now, I intend for this investigation | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
to follow an orderly and proper procedure. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
We are not going to conduct it in a manner that is in any way | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
unfairly critical of NASA. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
Because we believe, and certainly I believe, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
that NASA has done an excellent job. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
And I believe that the American people think so too. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
Anyone? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
We have to accept the fact that this shuttle | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
is the most complex machine that's ever been built. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
I understand it has more than two and a half million parts. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
It may be, after due consideration, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
it's just not possible to identify the cause. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Now... | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
-In terms of scheduling... -That's nothing. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
I'm sorry, Dr Feynman? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
Two and a half million - small potatoes. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
No, really look - I don't know much about space rockets, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
but I know a little something about probability. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Something I developed called, um... path integral formulation. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
It's quantum mechanics, yuck, yuck. But, um... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
Basically, what it means is that you can figure out the probability | 0:13:56 | 0:14:02 | |
of something occurring, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
not just when you get two and a half million events, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
but an infinity of possibilities. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
However large the number of causal paths | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
for whatever happened to Challenger, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
an explanation can be found. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
What are we doing here if we don't think it's possible? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Right? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Er...Chairman Rogers, I headed an investigation | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
into the failure of a Titan rocket, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
and I suggest I outline the procedure we used there. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
I appreciate the offer, General Kutyna, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
but I think in this case there's far less collectable evidence. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
I don't like to contradict you, sir, but in the case of the shuttle, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
as there are human beings aboard, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
it generates far more database material. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
Mr Rogers, what the general said is the case. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
There are external cameras, there are black box recordings, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
there are telemetry sensors, there's a great deal of information. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Thank you, General Kutyna. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
And Mr Armstrong. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
I'm certain we can get back to this. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Please, anyone. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
-Chairman. -Yes. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:08 | |
I don't know about anyone else, but, um... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
Coming in, I got some major press attention. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
I'd like to know what we're to say. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
For the sake of the astronaut families, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
what are we saying at this point? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
This is very important. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:23 | |
Any and all enquiries from the press | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
are to be directed to Chairman Rogers's office. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
So, the plan is... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
lady and gentlemen... | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
we will reconvene in five days' time. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
But for the present, enjoy your stay in Washington. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
What? | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
-We're not going to..? -That's it. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Keel. We don't start right away? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
(Great.) | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
Dr Feynman. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:10 | |
Bill Graham, head of NASA. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Thank you. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
You're the guy that got me into this. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Well, I took your physics lectures way back, never forgotten. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
I think you're going to bring something unique to the Commission. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
I abandoned my teaching and a lot of important consulting to come here, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
didn't imagine I was going to be told to sit on my tush for a week. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
So, here's what I'm going to need. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
I'm going to need a crash course in shuttle design. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
I need to know everything on how this thing was put together, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
so if you can start supplying me with the technical manuals and so forth, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
and most of all, you gotta get me straight on the factory floor. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Pretty new to NASA myself - | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
I actually only took over two months ago. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
That's bad timing. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
We're based here in Washington, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
but the shuttle engines and systems | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
are all out of the Marshall Space Flight Center. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
It pretty much takes care of itself. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
You're the head of the whole shmeer, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
I mean, you can get me in this Marshall place, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
otherwise I'm a busy fella. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
I'll do my best. I'll get on it right away. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Right, thanks. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
I like that you didn't let up there on the mighty chairman. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
You take it. I don't care for limousines. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Well, neither do I - | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
I'm just a two-star general, don't get assigned a limousine. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Take the subway. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:24 | |
Hmm. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
-Pleasure. -You too. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
Taxi! | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Oh, and there was a phone call for you, sir. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Please call your doctor. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
Dr...Weiss? | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
The elevator's just to your right, sir. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
'..to begin what may be a lengthy process. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
'Millions of Americans who watched our heroes perish | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
'only 73 seconds after take-off on that cold January morning | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
'are waiting for answers.' | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
'Nancy and I are pained to the core about the tragedy | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
-of the shuttle Challenger...' -PHONE RINGS | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Hello. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Graham. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
You got me in, great. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
I'll take a plane down in the morning. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
Thanks. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
Alpha plus. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
'I've always had great faith in and respect for our space programme. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
'We don't hide our space programme. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
'We don't keep secrets and cover things up. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
'We do it all upfront and in public. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
'That's the way freedom is and we wouldn't change it for a minute.' | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
Wow, it's immense. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
This is an identical craft? | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
No, it's a training simulator. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
but for your purposes, the flight deck systems, the payload bay, etc, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
virtually identical. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
Want to see the flight deck? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
You have four human beings jammed in this space? | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
Can I sit here? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
Wow. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:06 | |
OK. So... | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
they got S-Band communication links... | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
environmental control systems... | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
cabin pressure gauges... | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
-What is that? -Emergency oxygen. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Don't touch things. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Hmm. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:27 | |
Come on. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Dick Feynman. I'm on the Commission. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
I got nothing to hide. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
If I was to ask you engineers, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
never mind what the managers say, but you guys... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
Given all your experience, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
what you thought the probability was of an accident on any single launch, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
what would you say? | 0:20:58 | 0:20:59 | |
I mean, if you don't want to say out loud, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
perhaps you could write it down on a piece of paper. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
So you're looking at the solid rocket boosters. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
OK, so... | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
They're not made here. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
No - they're made by contractors, Morton Thiokol in Utah. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
Railroaded into Kennedy in sections. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
That's a pretty standard tang and clevis joint. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Look, there's no ways it was the solid rocket boosters. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
-How so certain? -Because they don't fly with holes in them. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
If it was the SRB, it would have exploded on the launch pad. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
These kept on flying, you see it in the footage. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
You watched the footage. Tell me what you saw. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
What went through your mind? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
What did you think it was? | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
I thought it was the main engines. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
OK. Why? Why the main engines? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Because of the complexity. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
They're working at the outer edge of any experience base. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
In the blade technology? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:09 | |
No, no, no, it's more than the blades, it's... | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Hey... | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
There is no ways that I'm ratting out my co-workers here. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
Look, pal... | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
If we're not allowed to find out what went wrong, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
there will be no more co-workers. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
All these jobs will be gone, kaput. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
Won't be another shuttle launch. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
-TV: -'Of the events on the morning of the 28th of January, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
'the Presidential Commission investigating the accident, | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
'headed by former Secretary of State William Rogers, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
'has met mostly behind closed doors. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
'So far, it's given no hints about what it believes | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
'may have been the cause. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
'Meanwhile, off the coast of Florida, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
'the hunt for Challenger wreckage continues. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
'The combined NASA, naval and coastguard operation | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
'involving 14 ships, four submarines and 11 aircraft | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
'is combing hundreds of square miles of ocean. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
'Although NASA today released pictures showing recovered debris, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
'they've been unable to confirm that they've found the crew compartment. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
'In the absence of detailed information | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
'about what happened to Challenger, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
'speculation about the cause of the accident continues to grow. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
'Recent theories include everything from a computer programming error | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
'to unusually strong winds.' | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
Chairman Rogers... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
The boats just pulled in the crew compartment. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Can you tell me, was the oxygen activated? | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Yes, Dr Ride. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
It was. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:16 | |
We... | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
maybe won't make that public straight away. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Excuse me. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Dr Feynman. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
It's very important that this team stays together all the time. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
Why? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
It's been reported to me that you spent some time at Marshall. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
Alone. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
That's not very helpful. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
Oh, Mr Rogers, I don't find it helpful to stand around. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
The other commissioners are just being respectful. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
And you're saying I'm not? | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
You understand the implications of the oxygen being activated? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
I do. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
The astronauts had to do that themselves. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Which means that they were alive | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
for at least some of those two minutes and 36 seconds | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
before they slammed into the ocean. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Mr Rogers, I'm an atheist. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
I personally doubt that they're touching the face of God, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
so I prefer to show my respect | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
by finding the cause of their appalling deaths | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
and not stand around looking sad. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
You know, I didn't even want to be on this commission | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
but now that I'm on it, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
I've got every intention of finding out what went wrong. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
You know, I don't know that NASA did an excellent job. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:51 | |
The group will be leaving in 30 minutes. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Except for General Kutyna, who's made his own arrangements. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
I also may have my own arrangements. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
I can't force you to go. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
Nope. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
Are you going to work all night? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
Er...if necessary. I don't know. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
How do you plan to get back to Washington? | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
Er...I got myself in kind of a pickle. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
I want to go back to Marshall. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
Guess I'll hire a car, but it's hundreds of miles. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
I can give you a lift. I'll drop you in Alabama. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Oh. HE CHUCKLES | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Thank you. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
Here. 0600? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
OK. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
I may not get a limo, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
but occasionally I get the use of a government jet. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
-No..! -You imagined I was going to drive you 400 miles? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
This is tremendous. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
New for you? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
You serious? No! | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Whoa-ho-ho-ho! | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Oh! | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
It's OK. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
You know, what you have to realise | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
is that you are uniquely independent. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
Yeah, how's that? | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
Well... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:52 | |
everyone on the commission has strong associations. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
-To whom? -Well, to NASA - Armstrong, Ride... | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
The government - Keel - Rogers was Secretary of State. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
And Bill Graham's even a personal friend of President Reagan's. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
And you? | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Me, the Air Force. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
BLEEPING | 0:28:10 | 0:28:11 | |
-How does the Air Force... -Air Force three niner two six five. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
-INDISTINCT REPLY ON RADIO -Low on four three zero. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Heading three two zero. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
Two six five. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:20 | |
-How does the Air Force... -You're the only independent. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
I'm independent. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
I'm invincible. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:28 | |
Yeah... | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
but check six. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
-What check six? -That's, um... | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
That's a fighter pilot's expression. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
Six o'clock. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
The blind spot. Directly behind you. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
Watch my ass. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
OK, watch your ass here. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:49 | |
-What? -It's a little steep. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
ENGINE ROARS | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
That's what we call the diamond. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Wow, now that is very beautiful. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
RATTLING | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
What the hell? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
You happy with that, with that vibration? | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Don't worry, it steadies again after 65%. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
But to get to 65%, you gotta go through that? | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
Sometimes, yeah. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Can I see components, the blades? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Oh, what is that? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:00 | |
It's a crack...in this blade. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
There's an obvious crack. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:07 | |
Yeah. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
The blades often get those after a flight, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
but that's not a flight safety problem. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
-Well, what is it, then? -We were told to log it as a maintenance problem. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Only if it develops into a full fracture, THAT would be a failure. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
So a failure only happens if it actually shears off? | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
Bull! The failure is the crack. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
Well, you could argue that... | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
The failure is the crack - I mean, because it's not in the design. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
You know and I know it's not supposed to crack. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Who has the rest of the test data? | 0:30:51 | 0:30:52 | |
Is that it? | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
I think we should start this discussion on the step-by-step process, so... | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
Concentrate the investigation on the main engines. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
There are cracked turbine blades. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
As early as 1,375 seconds, equivalent to full power level. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
Also, at 4,000 hertz, there are some nasty vibrations. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
So you think the cause lies within the engines? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
I'd bet my last dime on it. I just got back from Marshall. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
I just heard an interesting new definition of the word "failure". | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Well, it's interesting that you should say that, Doctor. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
We've just received the telemetry data from NASA, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
and the sensors on the engines | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
show that they performed absolutely perfectly. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Get out of here! | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
The engines began to shut down as fuel pressure decreased, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
exactly as designed. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:46 | |
That's extremely lucky, because I'm telling you, those engines have profound problems. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
Now there is a step-by-step process for us all to follow, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
and I respectfully request that from now on, you abide by it. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:03 | |
We're all trying to find the answer. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
All right, we begin. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Step by step. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Crap. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
Prof... | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
Don't let the chairman put you off. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
Look, you should come by the house some night for a bite, if that appeals. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
Yeah? OK, good. Excuse me for a second. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
(Listen...) | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
Graham, why didn't I know that we had the results from the sensors on the engines? | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
Is NASA drip-feeding us information to suit itself? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-I hear you. -I'm doing this with one hand tied behind my back. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
-I hear you, but... -RICHARD GROANS | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
-Richard...? -RICHARD EXHALES LOUDLY | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
You OK? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:03 | |
I'll see you tomorrow. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
I goofed. I thought I had the answer. I was way off. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
'So what are you going to do? Are you going to stick with it?' | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
I don't know. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:36 | |
KNOCKING | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
-Listen, there's a knock on the door. I'll call you later. -'All right.' | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
I'm not sure why they chose to just lay them in this order. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
It's difficult to tell, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
but this is...this is half that... | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Chairman Rogers... | 0:35:22 | 0:35:23 | |
NASA's Failure Analysis team supplied a still from camera E207, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
trained on-flight. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
It looks like it took a long time for this photograph to appear. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
-Well, it's here now. -What is that? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
A flame? | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
Coming from a position on the side of the solid rocket booster? | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Did we know that? Did we know that already? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Did we get stills from other angles? Am I right? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
-They had cameras all around? -Yeah. -Yes. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
Some of the cameras that were looking directly at the area | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
were not working on the day, I'm told. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
-Well, that's unfortunate. -Hm. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
-May I have that, please? -Of course. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Am I super-late? I had to pick this up at the lab. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
-No, no, it's not a problem. -Nice car. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
-You like it? -Like it? I LOVE it. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
I don't know if that enlargement's going to tell us anything. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
Let's see. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
-Well, it's somewhat clearer, no? -No, that just makes the whole thing wider open. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
-But the flamer is sharper. -But that flame, where is it originating? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
Perhaps what we're seeing is the tip of a larger flame | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
on the other side where there's no damned camera. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
A flame is not a cause. A flame is an effect, it's a symptom. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
That doesn't tell us which component split, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
sheared off, cracked. It shows us nothing. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
It takes us nowhere. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
I want to show you something. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
Multiple successful launches, identical components | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
and launch locations, so what made that day special? | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
What were the variables? | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Take a break, Prof. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
Oh! | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
You lucky fella! | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
Yeah, I'd be luckier if I could get it running. It's out of commission. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
The carburettors seize in this weather. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
This must be how you stay calm. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
Roger The Dodger's got me going crazy with that process of his. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
He's a lawyer. He's working it through the way he knows. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Yeah, well, maybe some others are kind of working it through the way they know. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
What? You think somebody's working it for themselves? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
-Do you? -It's Washington, after all. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
I can't believe I got myself back in this world - government, politics... | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
And military guys like me. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
You're surprisingly OK. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
I guess you had your fill of military personnel through the '40s. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
What was your role back then? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:50 | |
-When? -During the war, with the A-bomb. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
I did the theoretical figuring. It was the math. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
I calculated how much fissionable material would be necessary to make an effective weapon. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
It's not a good use of science. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
You helped end the war. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
RICHARD LAUGHS | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Wow, this is beautiful! | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
Shall we try that Bordeaux? | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
You go ahead. I no longer drink. If I drink, I can't think. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Oh, sir, we had maintenance look at your heating. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
-Oh, thank you. -Let me know if you still feel chilly. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
Could you help me find the number of the National Weather Service? | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
There you go. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
-Can I borrow this? -Sure. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
Yeah, please. Not a forecast. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
The temperature at Cape Canaveral. Nearby? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
Yeah, Jacksonville, Florida, on the morning of the 28th of January. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
Thank you. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
That's the variable. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
I got the variable. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:57 | |
It was freezing cold on the morning of the launch. We need to focus | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
our questioning of the NASA managers on stuff to do with temperature. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
Temperature? You're talking about ice? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
I don't know. Perhaps added weight of ice, perhaps some metal component | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
becoming brittle. I don't know which component. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
There are only two and a half million possibilities(!) | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
I'm pretty certain. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
As certain as you were about the engines(?) | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
-Anything from NASA Failure Analysis? -Due this afternoon. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
Dr Feynman's becoming a real pain in the ass. > | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
Well, yeah. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
You betcha. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:43 | |
MUTED DISCUSSION | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
-Dr Weiss? -Dick. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
What are you doing here? | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
Well, if the mountain won't go to Muhammad... | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
You didn't answer my calls. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
So you tracked me down all the way across the country?! | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
Nah, nah, nah. I'm at Washington Hospital Center for a conference. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
You got an hour to come over there? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
-Now? -Yeah. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
Sure. Hold on. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
Um...I need to get this delivered to Dr Keel, Presidential Commission - | 0:42:57 | 0:43:03 | |
this address. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
It's extremely important that it gets there. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
-Yes, sir. -Thank you. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
Good to see you! | 0:43:12 | 0:43:13 | |
-With a vengeance? -Mm-hm. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
It's compromising your remaining kidney. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
-Show me the cells. -It's here. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
RICHARD SNORTS | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
OK. That is not so pretty. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
I read up on my chances if my sarcoma recurred. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
What's the deal if we add in this lymphoma? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
It's pretty difficult to calculate the combined... | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Don't weasel it, Doc. It's math. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Look, Dick, it's not something we see. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
The particular cancers you have, they're... | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
they're extremely rare. The chance of having them in conjunction... | 0:44:11 | 0:44:16 | |
Well, given what you were doing during the war... | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
If it even matters. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
-What do you think? -Well, the radiation - what safety precautions were there? | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
For the test, I... | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
For the test I had a pair of dark glasses, which I never put on. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
Jeez, they were... they were crazy days. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
We never slept. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
We were on fire, you know, getting the theory and the math | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
and the physics. It was a race. We thought we were saving civilisation, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
but then we found out the Germans didn't have nuclear capability | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
and we kept on. The science was...so exciting. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
Should have stopped. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
We threw a party. While people struggled and died, we threw a party. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
Hey, you were young. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
I wasn't a child. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:17 | |
Yeah. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:19 | |
OK. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:25 | |
-I guess we'll talk on the phone. -Sure. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
I think there are probably worse ways to go. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
Hey, your hands are cold. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
All the time. What is that? | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
It's possibly lymphoma. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
The blood gets gummy. Capillaries lose their flexibility - | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
they can't expand. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:53 | |
Thanks. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:56 | |
Yeah, just talk to me about components that are flexible. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
What about a solid rocket booster? | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Go ahead. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
Thank you, Louis. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
Hey, I thought this might be helpful. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
It's a section model of the SRB joint. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
I don't want to see a model. I want to see the real thing. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
So there are two O-rings | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
and they squidge in here? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
Correct. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
Has there ever been a history of problems with them? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
Well, there has been some erosion, even some blow-by. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
"Blow-by" is what? | 0:46:50 | 0:46:51 | |
Soot getting past the first O-ring. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
That would mean that the seal is incomplete? | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
-Right, but the manufacturer said that... -Morton Thiokol? | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
Right, Thiokol said that the blow-by never got past the second O-ring, never. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
But if something prevented the O-ring from doing its job... | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
..if it became rigid because, for example, it was cold...? | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
I think what we're looking at is the O-rings | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
within the seal of the SRB. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
Lower temperatures would diminish the flexibility. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
Rubber would get harder, less malleable. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
At a certain point it would be too rigid to move into the gap. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
Bill... | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
I need any data NASA have on the timings of spring-back. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
Resilience of the SRB O-rings in response to temperature. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:53 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Just a reminder that we have many witnesses today | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
and the press will be in the room. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to call the commission to order, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
so please take your seats, make yourselves comfortable. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
Pilot to co-pilot, fix your hair. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
Our first witness is Mr Mulloy. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
Mr Mulloy, would you come forward and identify yourself, please? | 0:48:18 | 0:48:23 | |
I am Lawrence Mulloy. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:24 | |
Solid rocket booster project manager for NASA | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
at the Marshall Space Flight Center. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
All right. Commissioners? Anyone? | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Dr Ride? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Mr Mulloy... | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
in your position at the Marshall Space Flight Center, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
you'd be aware of correspondence, memos, etc? | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
I guess I'm wondering whether memos exist relating | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
to problems of launching with O-rings at low temperatures. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:58 | |
I understand the morning of the launch was exceptionally cold. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
I'm not aware of such documents at Marshall. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
It's not correspondence, but on the evening before the launch, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
as a matter of routine, those of us from NASA asked our technical people | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
and our contractors if there were any concerns about low temperature. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:20 | |
Morton Thiokol, who make the solid rocket boosters, presented us | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
with the fact that the lowest temperature | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
we had ever flown an O-ring was 53 degrees, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
and they wanted to point out that we would be outside of that experience base. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
But having heard the discussion, we...we all concluded that there | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
was no problem with the predicted temperatures, and I have | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
a document from the management of Morton Thiokol to that effect. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
Thank you. Thank you, Mr Mulloy. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
You may stand down, for the time being. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
There's some guy in the back who wants to say something. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
I have something to add. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
-I beg your pardon? -I...I need to add to what he said, please. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
All right, sir. Please, step forward, step forward. Identify yourself. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
My name is Allan McDonald. I work for Morton Thiokol. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
I'm the director of the solid rocket motors project, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
so I was at the launch at Kennedy. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
I'd like to say something about the meeting | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
the night before the launch that Mr Mulloy talked about. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
Our Thiokol engineers...warned NASA. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
They recommended NASA not to launch below 53 degrees | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
and I agreed with them. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
That was the coldest that we knew was safe. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
So you said not to launch below 53 degrees? | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
And what was the actual temperature that morning? | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
We believed that, at launch, it was going to be much colder. | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Below 32 degrees, below freezing. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
NASA wasn't happy with that. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:07 | |
Larry Mulloy said, "My God, Thiokol! | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
"When do we launch? April?!" | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
Let me understand this - | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
now...are you saying that NASA applied pressure | 0:51:18 | 0:51:24 | |
to change the launch recommendation? | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
Yes, sir, there was pressure. They said, "Go review the data." | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
Our people in Utah came back, and recommended to NASA to launch. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
I refused to sign. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
It is important that NASA be given | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
the-the opportunity to respond to what's just been alleged. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
We must allow... | 0:51:50 | 0:51:51 | |
What the hell is going on here? | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
Some people say McDonald's doing a CYA. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
-"CYA". What is that? -That stands for "cover your ass". | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
-But if they were warned... -The astronauts sure weren't. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
I want to know what's happening right here between NASA | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
and the contractors. We need to talk more to HIM. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
Richard. Richard, the data you wanted | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
on the resistance timings of the O-rings... | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
OK, thanks. We need to hear more from him. Can you stop Mr McDonald from...? | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
Damn. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:25 | |
Hi. I need to contact Allan McDonald with NASA's Challenger Failure Analysis team. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
I phoned, but I was told he's no longer in Washington. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:10 | |
That information is restricted. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:11 | |
He was on the team but he's been removed? | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
I can't answer that, sir. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
Look, all I want to do is speak to Allan McDonald. What?! | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
So there's no-one I can talk to in the whole entirety of Morton Thiokol? | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
There's no-one who can answer my question? | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
Well, have a nice day(!) | 0:53:38 | 0:53:39 | |
General... | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
I tried to find McDonald. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
No luck, and it's clear why his bosses wanted to please NASA - | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
very big money at stake. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
I'll catch you later. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
Hey, Graham. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
That spring-back on the O-ring was measured over two hours. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
It's useless information. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
I'm really sorry. That's what I got from Marshall. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
Remember what it was to be a scientist before government got to you? | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
You don't think I gave you...? On purpose...? | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
No. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:01 | |
Look, I have this grand title. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
The NASA old guard, they handed me a list of who should be on the commission. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
It was tough to persuade them to take you. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
I'm sorry to have gotten you into this. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
Well, when you read my notes that I sent, you'll see the crap that goes down at Marshall. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:21 | |
-Notes? -My write-ups. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
Those analyses and my examination of the crazy engineering. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
Richard. Richard... | 0:55:36 | 0:55:37 | |
Sally, did you get a set of notes, my observations? | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
No, I haven't had anything. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
What the hell happened to my notes? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
Sally Ride says she didn't get them. Did the others? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
OK. I had sent over from my hotel | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
a stack of typed-up notes, wrapped in brown paper, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
proper analyses of all my observations of the engineering so far, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
-with a request for you to have copies made for each commissioner. -I have no knowledge of this. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
No such notes ever arrived on this desk. Perhaps you can have them redone? | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
I don't have time for this! | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
You trusted your hotel to deliver something so important? | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
Yeah. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
Dr Feynman, please, as you can see, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
NASA is now co-operating fully with all of our requests for information. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:46 | |
Well, then, have copies made of everything | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
and have it sent over to my hotel. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
I don't know what's going on, honey. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
I landed myself right back in a load of political crap. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
-People seem to know a lot more than what they're saying. -'Yeah?' | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
And I finally got a ton of stuff from NASA. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
It's full of anomalies. How can that be critical one moment | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
and safe to operate the next? | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
Honey, I'm sorry. It's best for me to call you later. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
-'Are you all right?' -I'm fine. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
'Honestly?' | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
No, I feel very well. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
'Oh, all right. Speak tomorrow.' | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
Yeah. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
"Ivory soap." | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
"Ivory soap." | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:58:37 | 0:58:39 | |
General. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 | |
OK, look, this is driving me crazy. I got a room full of NASA bullshit | 0:58:41 | 0:58:45 | |
that just makes me more sure certain what caused the explosion. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:48 | |
The cold, OK? We've got a guy who agrees with us. | 0:58:48 | 0:58:52 | |
He gets shoved off the enquiry. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:53 | |
We both know why, but none of it answers. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
There's a logic thing here that I'm just not getting. | 0:58:57 | 0:58:59 | |
It's about what is at the heart of this thing. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:03 | |
Why did NASA need to launch so bad? | 0:59:03 | 0:59:07 | |
OK, stop, Prof, I can't answer this here. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:09 | |
Erm... I'll pick you up in the morning. 8:15. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
And bring full ID. OK? | 0:59:15 | 0:59:19 | |
-Goodnight. -Goodnight. | 0:59:19 | 0:59:21 | |
Where are we going? | 0:59:26 | 0:59:27 | |
We're going to the Pentagon? | 0:59:43 | 0:59:45 | |
ID, please. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:54 | |
Sir. | 0:59:57 | 0:59:59 | |
Thank you, sergeant. Stand by outside. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:27 | |
Prof, why don't you grab a seat down here? | 1:00:27 | 1:00:31 | |
Right there. | 1:00:32 | 1:00:33 | |
NASA. The agency of the United States Government | 1:00:40 | 1:00:43 | |
responsible for the nation's civilian space programme | 1:00:43 | 1:00:46 | |
and for aeronautics and aerospace research. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
Note the word "civilian" in there. | 1:00:49 | 1:00:53 | |
The project cost in US dollars of running the space programme... | 1:00:53 | 1:00:57 | |
The actual cost, I get it. | 1:00:57 | 1:00:58 | |
And knowing this is unsustainable, NASA needs to prove itself, | 1:00:58 | 1:01:03 | |
needs to bolster its purpose, | 1:01:03 | 1:01:04 | |
over and above civilian scientific research and discovery, OK. | 1:01:04 | 1:01:08 | |
So park that for a moment. | 1:01:08 | 1:01:09 | |
The Air Force, meanwhile, wants to upgrade Titan. | 1:01:11 | 1:01:15 | |
An efficient fleet of unmanned rockets to deploy spy satellites into space. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:19 | |
-Paranoia. -OK. | 1:01:19 | 1:01:21 | |
Whatever you civilians are told, we are still deep in the Cold War. | 1:01:21 | 1:01:24 | |
What's it got to do with NASA? | 1:01:24 | 1:01:26 | |
NASA approaches Congress with a deal. | 1:01:26 | 1:01:28 | |
That seems to make great economic sense, | 1:01:28 | 1:01:30 | |
the government can stop funding Titan and instead divert | 1:01:30 | 1:01:34 | |
the money to NASA, and the Shuttle becomes sole access into space. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:38 | |
NASA knocks out the Air Force and gets a funding boost. | 1:01:38 | 1:01:42 | |
Exactly. Yeah. | 1:01:42 | 1:01:43 | |
And the Shuttle secures its raison d'etre. | 1:01:44 | 1:01:47 | |
Carrying spy satellites? | 1:01:47 | 1:01:49 | |
And NASA convinced Congress | 1:01:49 | 1:01:52 | |
that by 1986 they'd be able to launch twice a month, every month, | 1:01:52 | 1:01:57 | |
and on each of these flights, | 1:01:57 | 1:02:00 | |
payload will be made available to the Department of Defense. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:03 | |
Titan was my project. | 1:02:07 | 1:02:09 | |
But NASA reneges on its obligation | 1:02:09 | 1:02:13 | |
and instead of giving DoD priority, they started taking Senators | 1:02:13 | 1:02:17 | |
up there, in...just PR stunt after PR stunt. | 1:02:17 | 1:02:21 | |
And then, launches start getting cancelled. | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
The press is beginning to notice... | 1:02:24 | 1:02:25 | |
Congress is getting jumpy. | 1:02:25 | 1:02:27 | |
Yeah, yeah, and the administration is asking questions. | 1:02:27 | 1:02:30 | |
And then last December, the launch is delayed six times, | 1:02:30 | 1:02:34 | |
and remember NASA had promised Congress launch at any time, | 1:02:34 | 1:02:37 | |
under any conditions, and then January 28th... | 1:02:37 | 1:02:40 | |
January 28th launch, it's cold... | 1:02:43 | 1:02:45 | |
It's very cold... | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
..and NASA feels under extreme pressure. | 1:02:50 | 1:02:53 | |
And took the risk. | 1:02:55 | 1:02:56 | |
They took the risk. | 1:02:58 | 1:02:59 | |
Why did you tell me all this? | 1:03:02 | 1:03:04 | |
Do you wish you didn't know? | 1:03:06 | 1:03:09 | |
Downstairs, you made me sign the classified information thing. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
That's right. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:13 | |
So what's going on, Kutyna? | 1:03:15 | 1:03:18 | |
I mean, you got me trapped, | 1:03:18 | 1:03:20 | |
I can't spill any of this crap. | 1:03:20 | 1:03:22 | |
It would jeopardise national security, the Soviets would know. | 1:03:23 | 1:03:26 | |
You guys can't launch a damned thing in cold weather. | 1:03:26 | 1:03:29 | |
You've been playing me the whole time. From the beginning. | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
That weird thing in the garage. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:38 | |
With the carburettor, the carburettor and the cold, | 1:03:38 | 1:03:43 | |
I was supposed to take a hint. What is this, some kind of game to you? | 1:03:43 | 1:03:46 | |
No, but it was a nudge. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:48 | |
I heard about the O-ring via an astronaut friend of mine | 1:03:48 | 1:03:51 | |
who was tipped off, in secret, by a NASA engineer. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:54 | |
This astronaut's career has to be protected. | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
I had to let you get there on your own, Prof. | 1:03:57 | 1:03:59 | |
Prof. Don't Prof me, you don't play me, you don't screw around with me. | 1:03:59 | 1:04:03 | |
Listen to me and you'll understand why I'm telling you this. | 1:04:03 | 1:04:06 | |
I can't do anything with it! That's the point! | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
Don't ever tell me anything I can't open my mouth | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
and blab to the whole world! | 1:04:12 | 1:04:13 | |
I got to... I gotta get out of here. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
Listen... | 1:04:19 | 1:04:21 | |
Richard... | 1:04:25 | 1:04:27 | |
No-one plays me. What is this, check six? | 1:04:27 | 1:04:30 | |
Remember, I told you that only you are independent on this commission. | 1:04:30 | 1:04:34 | |
Do others on the commission... | 1:04:34 | 1:04:36 | |
Do they know stuff? | 1:04:38 | 1:04:39 | |
Everyone knows some, or all, | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
but they're all bound. This is Washington. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:44 | |
What can be acknowledged, how, by whom.... | 1:04:44 | 1:04:47 | |
You go drag me into this? | 1:04:47 | 1:04:48 | |
No, it's absolutely not, you're coming at it completely differently. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:52 | |
I told you, because I believe | 1:04:52 | 1:04:54 | |
that you, and only you, can use what you have, | 1:04:54 | 1:04:57 | |
you can use the science to cut through the bullshit, | 1:04:57 | 1:05:01 | |
to ensure that the real reason for those deaths gets out. | 1:05:01 | 1:05:05 | |
That it's made completely clear to the public. | 1:05:05 | 1:05:08 | |
NASA's forced to admit it, and has to reform. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:11 | |
I wish. | 1:05:13 | 1:05:14 | |
Why can't people just say things the way they are? | 1:05:15 | 1:05:19 | |
Cos it's politics, it's dirty, but you can, you can drive through that. | 1:05:19 | 1:05:23 | |
You can... What's the, what's the... | 1:05:23 | 1:05:25 | |
Can I have your arm, please? | 1:05:25 | 1:05:27 | |
What's going on? | 1:05:29 | 1:05:30 | |
HE GROANS | 1:05:30 | 1:05:32 | |
No... | 1:05:32 | 1:05:34 | |
Not now. Not yet. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:40 | |
HE GASPS IN PAIN | 1:05:40 | 1:05:42 | |
-Let's get a medic. You get a medic right now. -Yes, sir. | 1:05:46 | 1:05:49 | |
-'80-yard touchdown!' -SWITCHES TV CHANNEL | 1:06:48 | 1:06:50 | |
'America is many things to many people. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:52 | |
'To a 17-year-old kid, it's the malt shop on the corner, | 1:06:52 | 1:06:56 | |
'to Grandpa, it's the front porch in the Blue Mountains. | 1:06:56 | 1:07:00 | |
'To the mother and her family, it's church.... | 1:07:00 | 1:07:03 | |
'I'd Like to make it clear that all procedures were proper. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:07 | |
'This is the same process that was used in 24 successful shuttle launches | 1:07:07 | 1:07:11 | |
'as well as previous moon landings.' | 1:07:11 | 1:07:13 | |
-'I know that...' -Bunch of crap. | 1:07:13 | 1:07:14 | |
'..based on the data up to January 27, | 1:07:14 | 1:07:17 | |
'right through the launch countdown until the lift-off, | 1:07:17 | 1:07:20 | |
'all those actions were proper.' | 1:07:20 | 1:07:22 | |
'Do you believe you exercised good judgement on the evening | 1:07:22 | 1:07:25 | |
-'before the launch, regarding the temperature? -Absolutely.' | 1:07:25 | 1:07:28 | |
I thought I'd drop these to the cleaners in the morning. | 1:07:28 | 1:07:32 | |
"Use Ivory Soap. 99.4% pure." | 1:07:34 | 1:07:40 | |
What? What did you say? | 1:07:40 | 1:07:42 | |
I was just, that old Ivory Soap ad. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:45 | |
"Use Ivory Soap, 99.4% pure." | 1:07:45 | 1:07:50 | |
Forget about the cleaners, | 1:07:50 | 1:07:51 | |
I got, I got notes and stuff in the pockets, so... | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
-You sure? -Yeah. | 1:07:54 | 1:07:56 | |
'Perhaps it's time to revisit the possibility | 1:07:56 | 1:07:59 | |
'that the Shuttle was a victim of an act of sabotage or terrorism. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:03 | |
-'NASA will present at Wednesday's televised...' -Jeez! | 1:08:03 | 1:08:06 | |
'..along with members from Morton Thiokol. | 1:08:06 | 1:08:09 | |
'Both parties will detail...' | 1:08:09 | 1:08:11 | |
Only 99.4%, you bastards! | 1:08:11 | 1:08:14 | |
'..by the commission, is unclear | 1:08:14 | 1:08:16 | |
'whether we will ever have answers as to what caused this disaster...' | 1:08:16 | 1:08:19 | |
Gwen! | 1:08:19 | 1:08:21 | |
Gweneth! | 1:08:22 | 1:08:24 | |
What's the matter? | 1:08:24 | 1:08:25 | |
-Papa, what's wrong? -What? | 1:08:26 | 1:08:29 | |
I have to go back to Washington. | 1:08:29 | 1:08:31 | |
Michelle, go back to bed, go on. | 1:08:35 | 1:08:36 | |
Go on, back to bed, it's all right. | 1:08:36 | 1:08:38 | |
You need to be here. | 1:08:40 | 1:08:42 | |
You need to be taken care of. | 1:08:42 | 1:08:44 | |
We can't come to Washington with you. She has school. | 1:08:44 | 1:08:48 | |
She has no idea how seriously ill you are. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:50 | |
I have to. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:51 | |
People died. | 1:08:53 | 1:08:55 | |
It will happen again. If I don't, what have the weeks been for? | 1:08:55 | 1:08:58 | |
I mean, you're the one who persuaded me. | 1:08:58 | 1:09:00 | |
And you said it yourself - | 1:09:00 | 1:09:02 | |
let someone else do it. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:04 | |
You can't, you don't have to carry on now. | 1:09:04 | 1:09:06 | |
Nobody's got the right to ask that of you. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:10 | |
I'm the one asking me. | 1:09:10 | 1:09:12 | |
I'm the one asking. | 1:09:12 | 1:09:14 | |
OK. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:23 | |
OK. | 1:09:26 | 1:09:28 | |
I just wanted to have you to myself for as long as possible. | 1:09:28 | 1:09:33 | |
Honey, will you help me? | 1:09:41 | 1:09:43 | |
I got to get it all down. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:50 | |
My notes, everything I found out. | 1:09:50 | 1:09:52 | |
Got to be one hell of a paper. | 1:09:54 | 1:09:55 | |
The original tang and clevis seal design failed to anticipate | 1:10:03 | 1:10:09 | |
the enormous pressure, caused by the burning propellant, | 1:10:09 | 1:10:14 | |
would cause the walls to bow outward, | 1:10:14 | 1:10:17 | |
a phenomenon known as joint rotation. | 1:10:17 | 1:10:21 | |
-OK? -Swell. My blood is freshly laundered. | 1:10:21 | 1:10:25 | |
Dick, you know the affects of the dialysis are only temporary. | 1:10:25 | 1:10:28 | |
Life is pretty temporary. | 1:10:30 | 1:10:31 | |
'You're listening to drive time on WTBX with Steve O'Brian. | 1:10:50 | 1:10:53 | |
'Power one-o-three on WTBX. | 1:10:57 | 1:10:59 | |
'We are definitely addicted to our ten-in-a-row power play for all | 1:10:59 | 1:11:02 | |
'you folks in Washington, coming up next, Miami Sound Machine...' | 1:11:02 | 1:11:06 | |
Dr Feynman, can you comment on the progress of the commission? | 1:11:12 | 1:11:16 | |
What's your take on the sabotage theory? | 1:11:16 | 1:11:19 | |
I'm not at liberty to speak. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:21 | |
The commission? | 1:11:31 | 1:11:32 | |
Through there, sir. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:33 | |
I'm sorry, sir. You can't go in there. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:38 | |
Who says so? | 1:11:38 | 1:11:39 | |
Not without a tie, sir. | 1:11:39 | 1:11:41 | |
Give me strength. | 1:11:41 | 1:11:44 | |
I'm sure this is going to look a lot more dainty. | 1:11:54 | 1:11:57 | |
Good evening, gentlemen. | 1:12:00 | 1:12:01 | |
My findings, developed, processed, distilled, | 1:12:04 | 1:12:08 | |
I've saved you the trouble of running them off | 1:12:08 | 1:12:10 | |
in case the copy machine's broken. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:12 | |
-Hey, Bill. Will you do the honours? -Sure. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:17 | |
It's all here. Hi, Neil. Would you? | 1:12:17 | 1:12:21 | |
Design flaws in the boosters. | 1:12:21 | 1:12:24 | |
Management failure. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:26 | |
-A cold day. -You OK? | 1:12:28 | 1:12:31 | |
I had the flu, but now it's flown. | 1:12:31 | 1:12:33 | |
Why don't you just take this chair? | 1:12:33 | 1:12:35 | |
Thank you. | 1:12:45 | 1:12:47 | |
And thank you. | 1:12:47 | 1:12:50 | |
For your fine, patient, methodical work over the last weeks. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:55 | |
It's been a difficult period. | 1:12:55 | 1:12:57 | |
Especially for Dr Feynman. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:00 | |
Welcome back, Doctor. | 1:13:00 | 1:13:02 | |
And Doctor, I'm sure that we'll want to include some of your new material | 1:13:02 | 1:13:06 | |
in our final report. | 1:13:06 | 1:13:07 | |
Please remember this is a very important hearing. | 1:13:08 | 1:13:11 | |
We're expecting a lot of press. | 1:13:11 | 1:13:14 | |
And it will be televised, so please do be prompt. Thank you. | 1:13:14 | 1:13:17 | |
Prof. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:32 | |
It's happening again, Rogers is going to bury my work. | 1:13:32 | 1:13:35 | |
Yeah, and I just got cornered outside by the press. | 1:13:35 | 1:13:39 | |
Me too. | 1:13:39 | 1:13:40 | |
I think they're ready to go with "unproven". | 1:13:40 | 1:13:43 | |
Yep, or a sniper on the grassy knoll. | 1:13:44 | 1:13:46 | |
I eat a lot of pickled beets. | 1:13:49 | 1:13:51 | |
General, I haven't a damned clue what we're going to do. | 1:13:53 | 1:13:56 | |
Despite what you may think, I am pleased to see you back. | 1:13:58 | 1:14:02 | |
-General. -Chairman. | 1:14:05 | 1:14:07 | |
We have a major difficulty. | 1:14:07 | 1:14:11 | |
The people who best understand the Shuttle are the people giving evidence | 1:14:11 | 1:14:15 | |
but they have the most to lose by explaining it clearly. | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
The public is simply mystified. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:23 | |
Somehow, we need to penetrate the fog. | 1:14:23 | 1:14:27 | |
Welcome back. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:30 | |
We know what Marshall's strategy's going to be. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:37 | |
Smokescreen. Manipulate the science. | 1:14:37 | 1:14:41 | |
Yeah, they'll make it into a fuzz dazzle. | 1:14:41 | 1:14:43 | |
That kills me. | 1:14:45 | 1:14:46 | |
I have to go. | 1:15:04 | 1:15:05 | |
-You OK? -I am fine. | 1:15:07 | 1:15:09 | |
Neil. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:14 | |
I've been meaning to ask you. | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
Yes, Richard. | 1:15:18 | 1:15:19 | |
This is for a friend. An admirer. | 1:15:19 | 1:15:24 | |
Right. Of course. | 1:15:24 | 1:15:26 | |
Thanks so much, Neil. | 1:15:27 | 1:15:29 | |
Sorry, embarrassing but... | 1:15:29 | 1:15:31 | |
-Anything for you, Richard. -Goodnight. | 1:15:31 | 1:15:34 | |
Take care of yourself. | 1:15:34 | 1:15:35 | |
You asked me for something, now I'm going to ask you for something. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:40 | |
No, you picked me up a couple of weeks ago. | 1:15:40 | 1:15:43 | |
-Morning. -Morning. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:50 | |
There's my end of the deal. | 1:15:50 | 1:15:52 | |
All right. | 1:15:52 | 1:15:53 | |
Here's what I need from you. | 1:15:53 | 1:15:55 | |
A hardware store. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
A hardware store. Why would a super important person want... | 1:15:57 | 1:16:00 | |
-Do you know a hardware store that opens early? -I know a place. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:03 | |
Come on. Get out of bed. | 1:16:13 | 1:16:15 | |
The astronauts' families will be seeking clarity | 1:16:24 | 1:16:26 | |
on what precisely caused the deaths of their loved ones. | 1:16:26 | 1:16:30 | |
NASA witnesses will be answering those questions... | 1:16:30 | 1:16:33 | |
Graham, make sure you have a section model of a SRB joint. | 1:16:33 | 1:16:37 | |
-Are we late? -We're good for time. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:41 | |
-Hey. -Morning, General. I guess this is it. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:49 | |
Good luck. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:51 | |
Would the witnesses please rise? | 1:17:23 | 1:17:26 | |
Do you swear that the testimony you will give before this commission | 1:17:30 | 1:17:33 | |
will be the truth, the whole truth | 1:17:33 | 1:17:35 | |
and nothing but the truth, so help you God? | 1:17:35 | 1:17:38 | |
-I do. -I do. | 1:17:38 | 1:17:39 | |
Mr Mulloy, did you have any apprehension | 1:17:44 | 1:17:46 | |
that a delay in launch would reflect badly on you or NASA Marshall? | 1:17:46 | 1:17:51 | |
No, not at all. | 1:17:51 | 1:17:53 | |
My decision to proceed with the launch as recommended | 1:17:53 | 1:17:55 | |
by the Thiokol official was based solely on the data | 1:17:55 | 1:17:58 | |
-presented by Thiokol Engineering. -Here comes the smoke. | 1:17:58 | 1:18:02 | |
This is shot right about August 19th, | 1:18:02 | 1:18:04 | |
and the thing of interest here is what we have seen in the O-rings. | 1:18:04 | 1:18:08 | |
See, the fact is, before Challenger, we had seen | 1:18:08 | 1:18:11 | |
no anomalous O-ring erosion for about a year. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:15 | |
Mr McDonald stated that he thought that what had been said was | 1:18:21 | 1:18:25 | |
very important - that the secondary O-ring was in a position to sealed | 1:18:25 | 1:18:30 | |
during the time of blow-by. | 1:18:30 | 1:18:32 | |
So you interpreted Mr McDonald's comment | 1:18:32 | 1:18:34 | |
as a statement in favour of proceeding to launch? | 1:18:34 | 1:18:38 | |
Yes, I certainly did because Mr McDonald was seated close by, | 1:18:38 | 1:18:41 | |
and it was clearly a supportive comment. | 1:18:41 | 1:18:44 | |
I have a question. | 1:18:44 | 1:18:45 | |
Can you remind me what NASA calculates the probability | 1:18:45 | 1:18:50 | |
of shuttle failure to be? | 1:18:50 | 1:18:53 | |
Failure meaning the loss of the vehicle, | 1:18:54 | 1:18:58 | |
and the deaths of the entire crew. | 1:18:58 | 1:19:00 | |
Dr Lovingood. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:03 | |
Certainly. That would be... | 1:19:03 | 1:19:06 | |
..one in ten to the power of five. | 1:19:08 | 1:19:11 | |
Really? | 1:19:11 | 1:19:12 | |
Would you explain that? | 1:19:13 | 1:19:15 | |
Yes, that the probability of mission success is 100%. | 1:19:15 | 1:19:20 | |
Minus Epsilon. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:21 | |
Epsilon. That's a pretty fancy word. | 1:19:21 | 1:19:24 | |
Well, let's put all that you've said there into English. | 1:19:24 | 1:19:28 | |
So that's, that's one failure in every 100,000 flights. | 1:19:28 | 1:19:33 | |
So you claim that the Shuttle would fly every day for 300 years | 1:19:33 | 1:19:37 | |
before there would be a single failure. | 1:19:37 | 1:19:39 | |
That's crazy, I mean, how would you ever even test that? | 1:19:39 | 1:19:42 | |
NASA arrived at that figure because it was a manned flight. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:47 | |
Because there are people on board | 1:19:47 | 1:19:48 | |
but that's not a scientific calculation, that's...that's a wish. | 1:19:48 | 1:19:53 | |
And interesting. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:54 | |
But the figure is very different from that of NASA's own engineers. | 1:19:54 | 1:19:58 | |
Based on their direct experience, | 1:19:58 | 1:20:01 | |
and observation of many known component problems, | 1:20:01 | 1:20:04 | |
some of NASA's engineers calculate the probability of success | 1:20:04 | 1:20:10 | |
as only 99.4%. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:11 | |
In other words, that's roughly one flight in every 200 will fail. | 1:20:11 | 1:20:17 | |
AUDIENCE MURMURS | 1:20:18 | 1:20:21 | |
Rogers, time out. | 1:20:24 | 1:20:26 | |
I think this would be an appropriate time to take a break. | 1:20:27 | 1:20:30 | |
One in 200! | 1:20:39 | 1:20:40 | |
Wow. That's not what the astronauts were aware of. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:44 | |
Potential disaster every three and half years. | 1:20:44 | 1:20:46 | |
It won't convince anybody, there's no proof, | 1:20:46 | 1:20:49 | |
people don't get probability, it's math. | 1:20:49 | 1:20:51 | |
But maybe... | 1:20:51 | 1:20:53 | |
The segment joint test we did, the development | 1:21:37 | 1:21:39 | |
and qualification motor test we did, as a basis for understanding | 1:21:39 | 1:21:44 | |
what we could expect to happen on the joints. | 1:21:44 | 1:21:47 | |
-Mr Hardy. -Certainly. | 1:21:47 | 1:21:49 | |
As we see, the temperature at which the O-rings would lose their integrity | 1:21:49 | 1:21:54 | |
would be in the minus 40 to 50 degree range. | 1:21:54 | 1:21:57 | |
Minus 40 to 50 degrees. | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
-Fahrenheit? -Sir. | 1:22:01 | 1:22:03 | |
So they'd maintain their integrity | 1:22:03 | 1:22:06 | |
-down to 80 degrees below freezing? -That is correct. | 1:22:06 | 1:22:09 | |
-Mr Rogers? -Oh, yes. -Thank you. | 1:22:13 | 1:22:15 | |
These O-rings are supposed to expand to make a seal, | 1:22:21 | 1:22:27 | |
-is that correct? -Yes, sir. | 1:22:27 | 1:22:29 | |
So, for the people to understand, | 1:22:29 | 1:22:32 | |
what if we take the O-rings out? | 1:22:32 | 1:22:36 | |
Not have them. | 1:22:36 | 1:22:38 | |
Well, then hot gas would expand through the joint. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:41 | |
For the seal to work correctly, the O-ring has to be made of rubber, | 1:22:41 | 1:22:48 | |
not something like lead, which when you...when you squash it, it stays? | 1:22:48 | 1:22:53 | |
Yes, sir. | 1:22:54 | 1:22:56 | |
Now if the O-ring weren't resilient for a second or two, | 1:22:56 | 1:23:01 | |
that would be enough for a very dangerous situation | 1:23:01 | 1:23:05 | |
and that could likely occur at low temperatures. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
No, as Mr Hardy has shown, | 1:23:07 | 1:23:10 | |
they are effective down to minus 40 to 50 degrees. | 1:23:10 | 1:23:15 | |
Well, then I just have one comment for the gentlemen, | 1:23:15 | 1:23:19 | |
that I have always believed that any scientific concept | 1:23:19 | 1:23:23 | |
can be demonstrated to ordinary people, | 1:23:23 | 1:23:26 | |
people with no specialist knowledge or even much scientific education. | 1:23:26 | 1:23:31 | |
-Co-pilot to pilot, not yet, just wait. -What? | 1:23:31 | 1:23:34 | |
-HE WHISPERS: -All right. OK, go. | 1:23:35 | 1:23:37 | |
See. I took some of...of this... | 1:23:37 | 1:23:44 | |
stuff from your seal. | 1:23:44 | 1:23:47 | |
And I put it in nothing more than ice water. | 1:23:49 | 1:23:54 | |
And I discover... | 1:23:57 | 1:23:59 | |
..that if you put it under pressure... | 1:24:03 | 1:24:06 | |
..for a while, and then undo it... | 1:24:07 | 1:24:13 | |
..it doesn't stretch back. | 1:24:19 | 1:24:21 | |
It stops. At the same dimension. | 1:24:22 | 1:24:26 | |
In other words, for a second or two, at least, | 1:24:26 | 1:24:30 | |
and more seconds than that, | 1:24:30 | 1:24:32 | |
there is no resilience in this particular material | 1:24:32 | 1:24:36 | |
at the temperature of 32 degrees Fahrenheit, | 1:24:36 | 1:24:40 | |
the temperature of a cold soda. | 1:24:40 | 1:24:42 | |
I think that has some significance for our problem. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:48 | |
AUDIENCE CHATTERS | 1:24:51 | 1:24:54 | |
REPORTERS JOSTLE AND SHOUT | 1:25:07 | 1:25:08 | |
Whatever the eventual Commission Report, I will be writing | 1:25:08 | 1:25:11 | |
up my own independent appendix with all my findings, all the design, | 1:25:11 | 1:25:15 | |
the engineering and the management problems, | 1:25:15 | 1:25:18 | |
which I will be handing to the President myself. | 1:25:18 | 1:25:21 | |
How much did NASA know about the effect of cold, Dr Feynman? | 1:25:22 | 1:25:26 | |
Look. Ask him. | 1:25:26 | 1:25:28 | |
Let us make recommendations | 1:25:30 | 1:25:33 | |
to ensure that NASA officials | 1:25:33 | 1:25:36 | |
deal in a world of reality. | 1:25:36 | 1:25:38 | |
Understanding technological weakness and imperfections | 1:25:40 | 1:25:43 | |
well enough to be actively trying to eliminate them. | 1:25:43 | 1:25:47 | |
NASA owes it to the citizens from whom it asks support | 1:25:49 | 1:25:53 | |
to be frank, honest and informative. | 1:25:53 | 1:25:56 | |
For a successful technology, | 1:25:56 | 1:25:58 | |
reality must take precedence over public relations, | 1:25:58 | 1:26:02 | |
for nature cannot be fooled. | 1:26:02 | 1:26:04 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:26:04 | 1:26:07 | |
Dr Keel, please. | 1:26:07 | 1:26:09 | |
And Mr President, this appendix has been prepared by Professor Feynman. | 1:26:12 | 1:26:16 | |
And by the way, I think I've figured out who was your source. | 1:26:25 | 1:26:28 | |
You said, "This astronaut, this astronaut." | 1:26:29 | 1:26:32 | |
If it was a guy, you would have said "he." | 1:26:32 | 1:26:35 | |
It's OK. I can keep shtoom. | 1:26:37 | 1:26:40 | |
If you ever fancy a ride in that old Buick... | 1:26:45 | 1:26:49 | |
Yeah. If the weather's warm. | 1:26:49 | 1:26:51 | |
It would have to happen pretty soon. | 1:26:52 | 1:26:54 | |
I'm sorry this is taking your time. | 1:26:58 | 1:27:01 | |
I'm not sorry. | 1:27:01 | 1:27:03 | |
I would have been tremendously sorry if we'd lost | 1:27:03 | 1:27:05 | |
but as it is, it was... | 1:27:05 | 1:27:06 | |
Not a good use of science. | 1:27:08 | 1:27:09 | |
It's a good use of science. | 1:27:09 | 1:27:13 | |
I'm OK. | 1:27:13 | 1:27:14 | |
I'm OK with it. | 1:27:15 | 1:27:17 | |
I guess there is a kind of afterlife. | 1:27:17 | 1:27:20 | |
The few bits and pieces that we do might get remembered. | 1:27:20 | 1:27:24 | |
General... | 1:27:26 | 1:27:27 | |
..fix your hair. | 1:27:30 | 1:27:31 | |
How would you react to the kind of ethical | 1:28:32 | 1:28:34 | |
and political dilemmas portrayed in this film? | 1:28:34 | 1:28:37 | |
Find out with the Open University's online quiz. | 1:28:37 | 1:28:40 | |
Go to bbc.co.uk/challenger | 1:28:40 | 1:28:44 | |
and follow links to the OU. | 1:28:44 | 1:28:46 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 1:29:00 | 1:29:03 |