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This programme contains very strong language.

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MUSIC AND HUBBUB OF VOICES

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MEN SHOUT

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-Drive!

-What?

-Just drive!

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You crazy twat! You're taking the piss, you!

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You stupid prick, you've dropped us all in the shit now,

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-you stupid bastard!

-What's happened?!

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-You stupid braindead bastard...

-He was asking for it.

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-What's happened?

-Nothing.

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-You've dropped us all in the shit now, you crazy twat...

-He was asking for it. He was asking for it!

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-I warned you about this prick, didn't I?!

-What's happened?!

-Nothing has happened!

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Nothing's happened? Nothing's happened?

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-He's only gone and stabbed someone, hasn't he? Crazy twat.

-Just shut it.

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-What?!

-Listen, shut it.

-He's stabbed someone, the mad twat!

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I'll stab you in a minute, yeah?

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-Colin, just leave it out, yeah?

-You'll stab me?!

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Hey! Hey, get off him!

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Pull over! Pull over now!

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SHOUTING CONTINUES

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Get out! Get out the car now! You stay there.

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Come on then!

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What? What?

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He was looking at me, right?!

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-Looking at me like I'm shit!

-Where is it?

-What?!

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-The knife. Where is it?

-It's here.

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-Put it down there.

-It's our Paul's.

-Put it down there!

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MOBILE KEYS BEEP

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Did he kill him?

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-Did you kill him?!

-I don't know.

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-'Yeah?'

-It's Tony.

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You bastard!

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You got off and left me to it, you prick. McCabe as well.

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-'How is he?'

-I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing, do I?

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He could be bleeding to death for all I know, you prick.

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-Will he live?

-'I very much doubt it, but how would I know?'

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Why did you bring that mad bastard, eh?

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The paramedics are here.

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He's bad.

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-How bad?

-Dunno.

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But he'll live, though, yeah?

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-Eh?

-Just drive.

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POLICE RADIO CRACKLES

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SIREN SOUNDS

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DOORBELL

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DOORBELL

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-Mrs Ward?

-Yeah.

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Mother of Thomas Ward?

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Yeah.

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We've been told to bring you down to the Royal, Mrs Ward.

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Thomas has had a bit of an accident.

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What sort of accident?

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I don't know, love. We've just been told to come and get you.

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I'm dyeing my hair.

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Sorry.

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Just a sec.

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-SHE DIALS

-My daughter.

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She spent most of the day getting ready, she's won't be best pleased.

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-'Hello?'

-You'll have to come back, Julie, and look after the kids.

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-'Why?'

-Thomas is in hospital.

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You lived there long?

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Three years.

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We used to live by the park but then we split up,

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me and their dad, so we had to find somewhere cheaper.

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Do you still see him?

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Only when I have to.

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Hello. I'm Margaret Ward.

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My son Thomas is here.

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-Surname, please.

-He's had an accident apparently.

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Thomas Ward.

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If you just hang on, I'll make a call.

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Jennifer? Hi, it's reception.

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Mrs Ward is here.

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-What is it, please?

-Mrs Ward?

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-I'm looking for my son.

-Mrs Ward?

-Thomas Ward.

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-I'm Jennifer Fielding, Mrs Ward. Could you come with me, please?

-Why?

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-Come with me, please, Mrs Ward. Please.

-Where?

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There's a room just through here.

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Come in, please, Mrs Ward.

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Please.

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Thomas didn't make it, I'm afraid.

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Make what?

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He was stabbed earlier this evening

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and died just an hour or so ago.

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I'm really sorry.

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I think you've got the wrong boy.

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I'm Thomas Ward's mother, and he had a bit of an accident, that's all.

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He was stabbed at the pizza place on Holt Road,

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Mrs Ward, and died here a short time later.

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CAR DOOR SHUTS

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DOOR CLOSES

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Where you been?

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-Out.

-Where?

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Just out.

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-Who with?

-No-one.

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-What, you went out on your own?

-Yeah.

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-You're lying.

-I'm not!

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-Will you talk to this one?

-I'm going to the toilet.

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Hey. Hey!

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PHONE RINGS

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Hello?

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'This is Jennifer Fielding, Mr Ward. I'm the social worker at the Royal

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'and I have some news about your son, Thomas.'

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What is it?

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'I have your wife...'

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..ex-wife here. I'll pass you over.

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Hi.

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He's dead.

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LINE GOES DEAD

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BABY SPLUTTERS AND CRIES

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SPORTS STATION ON RADIO

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What you listening to that shite for?

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Fatal stabbing at the pizza place.

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Who told you that?

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On the telly.

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Is he dead?

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"Fatal", knobhead. Of course he's dead.

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He's in there.

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They want someone to identify him.

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-What, you haven't done it?

-No.

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Shall I?

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Just tell me it's not him.

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Shall I come in with you?

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No.

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MRS WARD SOBS

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DOG BARKS

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-It's half eight.

-Right.

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Why are you still here?

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Just waiting for someone.

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Who?

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-Kieran Gillespie.

-What are you waiting for that prick for?

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I just need to speak to him.

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About what?

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-About what?

-I'll see you later.

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Kieran. Kieran.

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He's dead.

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Yeah, I know.

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What are you going to do?

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-You'll have to go to the police.

-What?!

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You'll have to go to the police.

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I'm not going to the police, you prick.

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It's only going to be worse if they have to come and get you, innit?

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Why are they going to come and get me, eh?

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What are you saying? You going to grass me up?

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-Is that what you're saying, you're going to grass on me?

-No, I'm not saying that.

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-How are they going to know it's me, then?

-They won't.

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But they'll know it's me.

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How?

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The car. It was our Patrick's car.

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How are they going to know that?

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-Cameras. CCTV.

-There weren't any.

-There were.

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All right, yeah, so they'll ask you a few questions.

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But you say nothing, don't you? Eh? You don't grass.

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If you grass...then you're dead.

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And more than that, lad, more than that, if you grass, if you nonce on anyone, yeah,

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then your mum's dead and your dad's dead and your sister's dead

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and your house is torched.

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Yeah?

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Right? Comprendo? Do you understand what I'm saying to you, yeah?

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-Yeah.

-Yeah?!

-Yeah, yeah.

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Good.

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Johnjo.

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What's going on?

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What's going on, Johnjo?

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Johnjo!

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MOBILE RINGS

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He's dead.

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Major error, mate. Don't use the phone.

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You don't contact me, Colin or Kieran by phone. Right?

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'Right.'

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I'll come and see you in work.

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When?

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'Soon.'

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W-A-R-D. Ward.

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Hang on a sec.

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486...892.

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DOORBELL

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-All right?

-Yes, boss.

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-I won't be in today.

-'Are you ill?'

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No. I'm not ill, no.

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'So...what's the problem?'

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My son's been murdered.

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-'What?'

-I said, my son's been murdered.

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Are you still there?

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'Yeah, OK... Er, I'll let them know.'

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Thanks. I'd really appreciate that.

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'Yeah, OK, sure.'

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-Thanks.

-'I'm really sor...'

-Thanks. Bye.

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Er, Margaret Ward, Detective Inspector Hastings.

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I'm very sorry, Mrs Ward.

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-Thanks.

-We'll do all we can to get these people.

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People?

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Yes.

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More than one, then?

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We think so.

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You've got a daughter.

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Nicola.

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Yes.

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We were at school together.

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I stayed in your house loads of times.

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Margaret...Devaney.

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Then, yeah.

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Otherwise known as Roger the Lodger.

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Yeah!

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-How is she?

-Great.

-Married?

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Yeah. Three kids. Boy of 18 and two...

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It's OK.

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Two daughters. 13 and 14.

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Lovely.

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We'll get them, Margaret.

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I'm sorry about this, Johnjo. I'm really sorry, mate.

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-What are we going to do?

-I don't know.

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You were going there to get him, weren't you?

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Yeah. Not the lad who died. But, yeah, someone, yeah.

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Nothing to do with pizzas at all.

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-No.

-And the others, they knew, didn't they?

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Yeah.

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Everyone knew bar me, yeah?

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Yeah.

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I'm telling you the pizza I want but it's got nothing to do with pizzas

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-because you're going there to sort some little bastard out!

-Sh, sh, sh...

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I'm made up, aren't I? I'm made up when I get the call.

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"Johnjo, come for a pizza with the big lads. Come for a pizza..."

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-Shush, mate.

-"Why don't you drive us for a pizza, Johnjo?"

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But all you're interested in is the car. The fucking car!

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-There's people looking over...

-That makes me feel like shit, mate,

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-and so it should, cos...

-Please, just shut it. Just fucking SHUT IT!

-Cos that's how you've treated me!

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-Like shit! That's how you've treated me!

-Listen, we're cousins, right?

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If I drop my cousin in shit, I'll get him out of it.

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Right?

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Yeah, we lied to you, but you should be grateful,

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because you can put your hand on your heart and say, "I knew nothing.

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"I knew absolutely nothing." And we'll back you up on that.

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We'll make sure everyone knows you're innocent.

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I'm innocent, Colin's innocent, but you're even more innocent. Right?

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-So, what...so you'll tell them?

-If we have to, yeah.

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-If you have to?!

-Nobody's been picked up yet, have they?

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As soon as they are, if they are, we tell Kieran he's got to

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cough for it, he's got to tell the bizzies it was him.

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Nobody else had a knife, nobody else used a knife, least of all you. Right?

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You've got nothing to worry about, Johnjo. Eh?

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Can we get them enhanced?

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Yeah, we're trying.

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This is the best we've got of the other three.

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Uh. Could be anyone.

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PHONE RINGS

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-Hello?

-DI Hastings here. Is that you, Margaret?

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-Yeah.

-Just letting you know we're arresting someone soon

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and it's significant.

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-Who?

-Name again?

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O'Shea.

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'O'Shea.

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'Mean anything?'

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No.

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-So it's nothing to do with money?

-No.

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And nothing to do with being on telly?

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It's nothing to do with that. It's just some girls are into footie.

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-Bollocks.

-Language.

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-So it's footie, yeah?

-Yeah.

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-So they play footie, so girls who are into footie are gonna be attracted to 'em?

-Yeah.

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-That's your argument, yeah?

-Yeah.

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-I play footie.

-So?

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So how comes they're not throwing themselves all over me?

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-Have you looked in the mirror lately?

-Has Wayne Rooney?

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I'm going to get a bird like his, am I, cos she's into football and I play for the Dog and Duck?

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-They were childhood sweethearts.

-Oh, bollocks!

-I won't tell you again!

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It's about being famous and having a load of dosh. Football gives you both.

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It's nothing to do with football itself.

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That's just a means to an end.

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It could be anything like that.

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Singing, dancing, boxing, anything that brings a bit of fame and fortune.

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-And of course they're gonna say they're into it...

-KNOCK AT DOOR

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No bird's going to say, "I can't stand football but I love the dosh."

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Patrick O'Shea?

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-Johnjo O'Shea.

-Is Patrick in?

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Who is it, Johnjo?

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-Yeah.

-We'll come in then, OK?

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Who is it?

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Patrick O'Shea?

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-Yeah?

-We're arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Thomas Ward.

-What?

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You do not have to say anything.

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-However, if you do not mention something you later rely on in court...

-This is a joke, isn't it?

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..it could harm your defence. Anything you do say

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may be used in evidence against you. Do you understand?

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-It's a joke, right?

-Do you understand?

-No!

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-I think you do but I'll say it again.

-No, no...

-And sorry about this, but it's murder, so...

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If you do not mention something you later rely on in court it could harm your defence.

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-Is this the boy last night?

-Yes.

-But he was with his girl!

-In that case he's got nothing to worry about.

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-I haven't done anything!

-You've got the wrong boy, you've made a mistake!

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-He hasn't done anything wrong!

-Where are they taking him?

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-They're arresting him!

-Patrick!

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-Patrick!

-Patrick!

-Patrick, what's happening?!

-Dad, what's going on?

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-I don't know, did he say anything to you?

-He hasn't said anything to me.

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Patrick, call us, all right? We can get in there. Tell us where you are.

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-Patrick, what's happening!

-Did he tell you anything?

-No, nothing.

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Shit. I can't believe it.

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-SHE SCREAMS

-NO!!!!!!

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No! No...

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No!!!

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No!!

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-They're letting you go...?

-Police bail.

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Where's Johnjo?

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He's in the car. We're on double yellows.

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-What's going on?

-I'll tell you when we get home.

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Move. Now.

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-What's going on?

-I've told you. When we get home.

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-Does it involve Johnjo?

-Yeah.

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CAR DOORS OPEN

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What do you think it is?

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Sit down.

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You're scaring me now, Patrick.

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You don't know the half of it, Mam.

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Sit down.

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Sit...down.

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Tell 'em.

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Or shall I tell 'em?

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That stabbing in the pizza place - the lads who did it used my car.

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How?

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He gave 'em a lift in it.

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-I've seen it on CCTV, Mum.

-Oh, my God.

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-They...they told me they were going for a pizza.

-Oh, Johnjo.

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-I wish I could smack you, you little prick.

-I thought they were going for a pizza!

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Kids at home?

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Yeah.

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How are they?

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Over the moon.

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Sorry.

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We bumped into each other.

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Two weeks ago.

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What, he didn't mention it?

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No.

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Did he speak?

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No.

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He said hello.

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That was all.

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"Hello" was more than you deserved.

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Can I ask you something?

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Yeah.

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What is it?

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Did you have to turn him against me?

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-I didn't.

-You did.

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I just told him the truth.

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-The truth was always going to make it worse.

-How?

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You were leaving us. How could it get any worse?

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You dying, maybe.

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No, not even you dying, cos you dying brings in money -

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pension, insurance.

0:27:020:27:04

You leaving means we're skint!

0:27:040:27:05

You know what it is?

0:27:100:27:12

Guilt. You feel as guilty as sin.

0:27:130:27:17

Well, you've always felt as guilty as sin, ever since you left,

0:27:170:27:20

and now THIS.

0:27:200:27:22

This makes it ten times worse.

0:27:240:27:27

Well, sorry, nothing I can do for you.

0:27:270:27:30

My kids were traumatised, you see.

0:27:300:27:32

You couldn't possibly know how traumatised cos you were off swanning it with your fancy piece.

0:27:320:27:36

I was looking at it day in, day out.

0:27:360:27:38

So I made sure they knew that it wasn't my fault.

0:27:420:27:44

And you'd have done the same.

0:27:460:27:48

It's not guilt.

0:27:560:27:57

Well, not...it's not all guilt.

0:27:590:28:02

I used to imagine our reconciliation.

0:28:090:28:12

I'd meet him one day when he was older...

0:28:130:28:16

..knew more about men and women, and...

0:28:170:28:19

..we'd go for a pint...

0:28:210:28:22

..and I'd talk to him man to man, you know.

0:28:240:28:26

Brutal honesty.

0:28:260:28:27

"One life, one shot at happiness," all that stuff.

0:28:290:28:32

And after that, he'd have some sort of grudging...

0:28:350:28:38

Well, no, not respect, no.

0:28:410:28:43

A grudging acceptance maybe.

0:28:470:28:49

And I'd build on that, you know.

0:28:520:28:55

I'd build on it.

0:28:550:28:56

But he's gone.

0:29:020:29:04

And so has the prospect of our reconciliation.

0:29:060:29:09

And that makes me so...

0:29:120:29:15

-You know, it makes me...

-Don't you dare cry!

0:29:150:29:20

You don't have the right.

0:29:200:29:21

You cry and I'll...

0:29:230:29:25

KNOCK AT DOOR

0:29:250:29:26

They, erm... They can do an independent postmortem for defence purposes.

0:29:390:29:43

So...you'll be able to bury him in the next few weeks.

0:29:440:29:48

Thanks.

0:29:490:29:50

Did you decide which coffin...?

0:29:540:29:56

Yeah. The white one.

0:29:580:30:00

That's rather more expensive.

0:30:000:30:03

-It's OK.

-If you were on benefits, we could...

0:30:030:30:05

It has to be the white one

0:30:050:30:06

cos his friends want to write little messages on it.

0:30:060:30:10

I'll get the money.

0:30:100:30:11

It needs to be up front, you see...

0:30:120:30:15

It's hard to talk money at a time like this but...

0:30:150:30:18

Honestly, it's OK!

0:30:180:30:20

I'll be getting money from Criminal Injuries, so I'll use that.

0:30:200:30:23

I don't think that'll come in time.

0:30:230:30:26

-Could I...

-No! You gave us nothing when he was alive!

0:30:260:30:29

I'm sorry about this.

0:30:290:30:31

You won't do it now he's dead!

0:30:310:30:33

-SOBBING:

-I'm sorry...

0:30:340:30:36

BELL CHIMES

0:31:110:31:13

-'Tomorrow?

-Yeah.'

0:31:240:31:25

Why wait till tomorrow?

0:31:250:31:27

Two reasons - one, they'll call him a grass.

0:31:270:31:29

-What?

-They'll call him a grass.

0:31:290:31:30

-A boy's just been killed, for God's sake!

-I know that.

0:31:300:31:32

Everyone should be a grass when a boy's been killed.

0:31:320:31:35

-I agree...

-Everyone should tell the police what they know!

0:31:350:31:37

That's what we'd want if it happened to us!

0:31:370:31:39

-Not everyone sees it that way.

-We'd expect them to tell the truth

0:31:390:31:42

I agree! But there's loads here who don't!

0:31:420:31:44

They don't. Them mad bastards over there, they don't see it like that.

0:31:440:31:47

They'll burn us out because he's grassed them up.

0:31:470:31:49

And if they don't burn us out,

0:31:490:31:51

the family of the lad who died will burn us out.

0:31:510:31:53

That's the reality!

0:31:530:31:54

We're going to need a bit of time to find somewhere else to live

0:31:540:31:57

cos we're not going to be able to live round here.

0:31:570:31:59

And we can't do anything until he's got a lawyer,

0:31:590:32:01

a proper criminal lawyer, and we won't get one on a Sunday.

0:32:010:32:04

-He doesn't need one!

-So we'll have to wait until tomorrow.

0:32:040:32:06

-Course he needs one!

-He's done nothing wrong!

0:32:060:32:08

All he's got to do is go there and tell the truth

0:32:080:32:10

cos he's got nothing to fear from telling the truth!

0:32:100:32:12

"Why wait?" That's what they'll say.

0:32:120:32:14

"Why didn't you come right round, as soon as you knew?

0:32:140:32:16

"And why are you hiding behind a lawyer?

0:32:160:32:18

"If you've got nothing to hide, why the wait? Why the lawyer?"

0:32:180:32:22

-Where are you going?

-Toilet.

0:32:220:32:24

I can't believe you're acting like this.

0:32:250:32:27

Some poor boy's just been murdered!

0:32:270:32:29

I'm thinking of Johnjo!

0:32:290:32:30

Some poor mother is off her head with grief

0:32:300:32:32

and you're ducking and diving!

0:32:320:32:35

I'm not ducking and diving! For God's sake, woman,

0:32:350:32:37

I'm thinking about our son!

0:32:370:32:39

I can't believe you're acting this way!

0:32:390:32:41

What's happened to you?!

0:32:410:32:43

MUFFLED ARGUMENT CONTINUES

0:32:430:32:46

# This is the debt I pay

0:32:540:32:57

# Just for one riotous day

0:32:580:33:03

# Years of regret and grief

0:33:040:33:08

# Sorrow without relief... #

0:33:090:33:14

-Mr Hastings?

-Yes.

0:33:360:33:39

I'm Johnjo O'Shea.

0:33:400:33:42

You came to our house when you arrested our Patrick.

0:33:420:33:45

-It was me who opened the door.

-Right.

0:33:450:33:48

-It was me.

-Right.

0:33:500:33:52

It was me who drove the car.

0:33:530:33:55

-They told me they were going for a pizza.

-The other lads?

-Yeah.

0:33:590:34:02

-And you believed them?

-Yeah.

0:34:020:34:04

In that case, you've got nothing to fear, son.

0:34:040:34:06

-You just tell me everything you know and then...

-I'm going to.

0:34:060:34:09

-..you can go back home, OK?

-OK.

0:34:090:34:11

-How old are you?

-17.

0:34:110:34:14

Do you want your parents to sit in on this?

0:34:140:34:16

-No.

-OK.

0:34:160:34:19

-Johnjo at yours by any chance?

-Patrick O'Shea, Mrs Mac.

0:34:190:34:22

Is your Michael there?

0:34:220:34:23

He didn't say anything, just disappeared. He never does that.

0:34:230:34:26

No, he's gone missing, mate.

0:34:260:34:28

We're getting worried about him.

0:34:280:34:29

-It's OK, I'll hang on.

-No, I've tried his mobile.

0:34:290:34:31

He's not answering it.

0:34:310:34:32

DI Hastings, DC Jane Pearson with John Joseph O'Shea.

0:34:350:34:39

Interview begins 1:18pm, 20 June 2013.

0:34:390:34:44

You remember I asked you if you wanted your parents in on this

0:34:450:34:48

interview, Johnjo, and you said no?

0:34:480:34:50

-Do you remember that?

-Yeah.

0:34:500:34:52

Well, you can have a lawyer here if you want. That's your right too.

0:34:540:34:59

-Do you understand that?

-Yeah.

0:34:590:35:01

-Do you want a lawyer?

-No, I've done nothing wrong.

0:35:030:35:06

I'm just telling the truth.

0:35:060:35:08

PHONE RINGS

0:35:090:35:13

Do you want to answer that?

0:35:190:35:21

No.

0:35:210:35:23

Still message.

0:35:230:35:24

'Leave your number and I'll give you a call back.'

0:35:240:35:26

Johnjo, I'm fed up with you messing about!

0:35:260:35:28

I'm worried sick about you! Now phone me!

0:35:280:35:31

One of my brother's mates phoned and asked for a lift to the pizza place.

0:35:320:35:35

I said yeah, and he came round with another mate

0:35:380:35:42

and a lad called...Kieran Gillespie.

0:35:420:35:45

Wait in the car.

0:35:480:35:50

-That's him.

-Who?

-No-one.

0:35:500:35:52

No mushrooms on mine.

0:35:530:35:55

MUSIC PLAYS IN CAR

0:35:590:36:00

MUSIC: "Ill Manors" by Plan B

0:36:000:36:04

CHEERING FROM FAIR

0:36:050:36:08

MEN SHOUT

0:36:120:36:15

What the fuck did you do that for?!

0:36:160:36:18

Get in the fucking car!

0:36:180:36:20

Fucking little git!

0:36:200:36:23

Drive. Drive!

0:36:230:36:24

Fucking stupid! Brake then...

0:36:260:36:28

Nearly there now, Johnjo.

0:36:290:36:31

Just a few more things we need and then it's over, OK?

0:36:310:36:34

Who were the other two lads?

0:36:370:36:39

They didn't do anything wrong.

0:36:410:36:42

I understand that, but we need to know their names, Johnjo.

0:36:420:36:46

I don't mind grassing Kieran Gillespie up,

0:36:460:36:49

because he did the stabbing.

0:36:490:36:50

But I'm not grassing on the other two, no.

0:36:500:36:52

They your mates?

0:36:520:36:54

-No.

-Your brother's mates?

0:36:540:36:56

Yeah.

0:36:580:36:59

Who matters more to you -

0:37:000:37:02

them or your parents?

0:37:020:37:04

My parents.

0:37:060:37:08

You said they were rowing, Johnjo.

0:37:090:37:13

Your parents? Over you.

0:37:130:37:15

-Yeah.

-Over whether to go to the police or not.

0:37:170:37:20

Yeah.

0:37:220:37:23

That's bad news.

0:37:260:37:28

Your parents could go to prison for that, Johnjo.

0:37:280:37:32

Not calling the police, that's perverting the course of justice.

0:37:320:37:35

And even if they only did it cos they love you,

0:37:350:37:37

it's very, very serious.

0:37:370:37:40

Luckily, you've come forward and as long as we get the whole truth from you,

0:37:400:37:44

we should be able to turn a blind eye to all that.

0:37:440:37:47

So it's good, isn't it?

0:37:470:37:49

I've already told you, I'm not...

0:37:500:37:53

I'm not grassing on the other two.

0:37:530:37:54

Kieran Gillespie, yeah. The other two, no.

0:37:540:37:57

OK.

0:37:580:37:59

You left the engine running.

0:38:010:38:03

-Yeah.

-Why?

0:38:050:38:07

It was cold.

0:38:070:38:08

For a quick getaway?

0:38:100:38:11

No.

0:38:130:38:14

-Shall we go looking for him? Drive round a bit?

-Where would we look?

0:38:200:38:23

-I don't know.

-What if he comes back while we're out?

0:38:230:38:25

I can't just sit round here.

0:38:250:38:27

Oh, Pete!

0:38:290:38:30

What's happened to him?

0:38:430:38:44

-We've got a warrant to search the house, Mrs O'Shea.

-What?!

0:38:440:38:46

-We need to search the house.

-You've not come about Johnjo?

0:38:460:38:49

We spoke to Johnjo, and acting on information he gave us

0:38:490:38:51

-we obtained a warrant to search the house.

-Where is he?

0:38:510:38:53

-Down the station. Do you mind if we come in?

-I don't understand.

0:38:530:38:56

I'll explain inside.

0:38:560:38:58

-What's going on?

-Searching the house.

0:38:590:39:01

We'd like you to stay in this room

0:39:010:39:03

and WPC Matthews will stay with you.

0:39:030:39:05

We'd like you to try and sit and relax.

0:39:050:39:08

And certainly don't remove anything from the room.

0:39:080:39:10

-If you need to use the bathroom...

-How did you talk to Johnjo?

0:39:100:39:13

He came into the station and made a full statement.

0:39:130:39:15

-A full statement?

-Yes.

0:39:150:39:16

If he's made a full statement, you'll know he's done nothing.

0:39:160:39:19

If you want to use the bathroom, a police officer will have to go with you.

0:39:190:39:22

We'll almost certainly have to take stuff away,

0:39:220:39:24

-should that happen, we'll photograph it...

-Can I see my son, please?

0:39:240:39:27

We'll get you to witness it and we'll give you a receipt.

0:39:270:39:30

Can I see my son, please?!

0:39:300:39:31

I'll organise that as soon as I can.

0:39:310:39:33

My daughter's upstairs!

0:39:330:39:35

-Will you get her down, please?

-Karen!

0:39:350:39:37

We'll need the clothes Johnjo was wearing that night.

0:39:370:39:39

Karen, get down here!

0:39:390:39:41

What's going on?

0:39:410:39:42

They'll be in the basket.

0:39:420:39:44

He's wearing the jeans. Socks, vest and undies will be in the basket.

0:39:440:39:47

-Mum?

-Get down here!

0:39:470:39:49

What's going on?

0:39:490:39:50

They're searching the house.

0:39:500:39:52

-Get in here.

-For God's sake...

0:39:520:39:54

Look right.

0:40:090:40:10

Look left.

0:40:130:40:15

We're better than that. Come on.

0:40:430:40:45

Auntie Shelagh.

0:41:130:41:14

-Is it true?

-Is what true?

0:41:200:41:22

-Police searched your house.

-Yeah.

0:41:220:41:24

-Does she know?

-No.

0:41:240:41:26

What were they looking for?

0:41:270:41:29

-Evidence.

-About what?

0:41:290:41:32

If you don't tell her, I will.

0:41:370:41:39

What?

0:41:390:41:41

What is it?

0:41:410:41:43

That stabbing in the pizza place.

0:41:470:41:50

Yeah?

0:41:500:41:51

Johnjo drove them.

0:41:510:41:53

It were Kieran...Gillespie.

0:41:550:41:57

How do you know?

0:41:590:42:00

How do you know that?

0:42:020:42:04

I was with him.

0:42:040:42:05

You used him, didn't you?

0:42:110:42:13

Our Johnjo.

0:42:130:42:15

-No, mate.

-You did.

0:42:150:42:17

You know the kind of lad he is.

0:42:180:42:20

You know he thinks the sun shines out of your arse.

0:42:200:42:23

He was never going to say no to you.

0:42:230:42:26

No, mate. We tried you first, your phone were off.

0:42:260:42:28

I'm sorry, Mum.

0:42:370:42:38

They said they won't let me go.

0:43:150:43:17

It's only for one night, Johnjo.

0:43:190:43:21

Just one night.

0:43:240:43:25

And tomorrow, we go to court,

0:43:260:43:28

we tell them you've done nothing,

0:43:280:43:30

we get you out and we bring you home.

0:43:300:43:33

Right.

0:43:340:43:36

I promise.

0:43:370:43:39

'We ask for bail on three counts, Ma'am.'

0:43:470:43:50

One, he's 17 years of age.

0:43:500:43:52

Two, he's a young man of impeccable character,

0:43:520:43:55

no previous convictions whatsoever.

0:43:550:43:58

Three, he walked into the police station of his own accord

0:43:580:44:01

and gave a full and frank statement.

0:44:010:44:03

And that is the only reason he stands before you today.

0:44:030:44:06

Yes?

0:44:100:44:11

We oppose bail, Ma'am, due to the serious nature of the charge.

0:44:110:44:15

Bail refused.

0:44:160:44:17

You are remanded in custody to reappear here in two weeks' time.

0:44:190:44:22

Take him down.

0:44:220:44:23

MAN: There's been a mix up with the paperwork...

0:44:260:44:28

-Excuse me.

-Can you be more specific?

-Excuse me, please!

0:44:280:44:32

Yes?

0:44:320:44:33

-Are you OK, Mr O'Shea?

-He's a haemophiliac!

0:44:360:44:39

Oh. Well, I'll make sure he's looked after, don't worry.

0:44:390:44:42

Take him down, please.

0:44:420:44:44

4,600.

0:44:550:44:58

Yes.

0:44:580:45:00

Well, I don't have any recent experience,

0:45:000:45:03

but isn't that's a lot for a funeral?

0:45:030:45:05

It's a bit more than average, yes.

0:45:050:45:08

Well, you've had an overdraft with us for...quite some time

0:45:090:45:13

and your mortgage is still in arrears,

0:45:130:45:15

so you've obviously struggled.

0:45:150:45:18

Unless your personal circumstances have radically improved,

0:45:180:45:21

then I just don't think it's wise to take on any more debt.

0:45:210:45:24

Sorry.

0:45:240:45:26

But they have improved.

0:45:270:45:30

-Radically improved.

-How?

0:45:300:45:33

I have one less mouth to feed.

0:45:330:45:35

Sorry about that. And I'm sorry to have bothered you.

0:45:360:45:39

And now the three of you walking purposefully

0:46:150:46:17

from the car to the pizza place.

0:46:170:46:19

That is you there, Kieran, yeah?

0:46:190:46:21

No comment.

0:46:210:46:22

You say you went in for a pizza, but that could be 20 minutes.

0:46:240:46:28

-Why leave the engine running?

-No comment.

0:46:280:46:30

And now you're out again, panicking.

0:46:340:46:36

You'd call that panicking, wouldn't you, Colin?

0:46:360:46:38

There, you're shouting at Kieran Gillespie.

0:46:380:46:41

-Why are you shouting at him?

-No comment.

0:46:410:46:44

-Hiya.

-All right?

0:47:010:47:04

I'm just passing, I thought I'd give you a lift.

0:47:040:47:06

Where?

0:47:080:47:11

ID parade.

0:47:110:47:12

-Why are we stopping here?

-His mother lives here.

-Whose?

0:47:390:47:43

Boy who got stabbed.

0:47:430:47:44

She's got something to say to you.

0:47:460:47:47

DOOR BELL RINGS

0:48:000:48:02

-Hi, Margaret. Margaret Ward, this is Hugo Davies.

-Hello.

-Hello.

0:48:060:48:12

-He runs the pizza place.

-Oh!

0:48:120:48:15

I wanted to thank you, Hugo.

0:48:150:48:19

Thank you for phoning the ambulance so promptly,

0:48:190:48:22

for giving my son his best chance of survival.

0:48:220:48:25

It wasn't meant to be, but...

0:48:270:48:30

Thank you.

0:48:320:48:33

I'll phone you tonight.

0:48:370:48:38

ENGINE STARTS

0:48:450:48:46

'We think one of the three men who entered your shop

0:49:200:49:23

'on the night of the murder is in this line-up.'

0:49:230:49:26

Can you see if you recognise anyone, please?

0:49:260:49:28

No.

0:49:530:49:55

-Are you sure?

-Yeah.

0:49:550:49:56

Right, well...

0:49:580:49:59

One more.

0:49:590:50:01

Again, see if you can recognise anyone, please.

0:50:010:50:05

-No.

-HUGO CLEARS HIS THROAT

0:50:300:50:32

-Do you want to see them again?

-No.

0:50:320:50:35

You were very quick, you see.

0:50:350:50:37

I've been a copper now for 33 years and I've never seen anyone as quick.

0:50:370:50:42

It was if you didn't want to recognise anyone.

0:50:420:50:44

Sorry.

0:50:440:50:45

You will be, son.

0:50:480:50:50

You didn't even recognise Tony Wallace.

0:50:500:50:53

-Who is Tony Wallace?

-You don't know Tony Wallace?

-No.

0:50:550:50:57

We've checked the calls made to and from your shop.

0:50:570:51:01

You phoned him 15 minutes before the murder.

0:51:010:51:05

He phoned you immediately after it.

0:51:050:51:08

I'd like a lawyer, please.

0:51:120:51:13

Yeah.

0:51:140:51:15

There is very little I can do for my son.

0:51:170:51:20

But I can give him a good sendoff, a good funeral.

0:51:200:51:24

I'm getting £5,000 anyway.

0:51:240:51:27

I don't want it, but I'm getting it.

0:51:270:51:29

So give me it now and then I can bury him with it.

0:51:290:51:32

We'll speed things through as much as possible, Mrs Ward,

0:51:320:51:35

but...I can't promise payment before the funeral.

0:51:350:51:38

Well, then, how do I bury my son?

0:51:500:51:52

And what are you charging my client with?

0:51:520:51:54

-Murder.

-What?

-Joint enterprise murder.

-That's ridiculous!

0:51:540:51:59

Isn't it?

0:51:590:52:01

No.

0:52:010:52:02

Acid indigestion. It's taking the enamel off my teeth.

0:52:020:52:05

-God knows what it's doing to my stomach.

-In the old days,

0:52:050:52:08

we worked hard to establish who it was who used the knife.

0:52:080:52:12

He'd get done for murder and the other scumbags would go free.

0:52:120:52:17

All that effort, I used to think, just so scumbags could go free.

0:52:170:52:21

Well, now it's all changed.

0:52:220:52:24

We don't have to prove who used the knife any more...

0:52:240:52:26

..cos you all get done for murder.

0:52:280:52:30

If you were there, egging him on,

0:52:320:52:33

backing him up, helping in any way...

0:52:330:52:35

..a phone call, a knowing look, even...

0:52:370:52:41

..you get done for murder.

0:52:420:52:44

It's called joint enterprise, Hugo, and I love it.

0:52:440:52:48

Yes.

0:52:530:52:54

-Is there anything we can help you with, Detective Inspector?

-Yeah.

0:52:590:53:04

He can make a full statement, name names

0:53:040:53:07

and agree to give evidence, if necessary.

0:53:070:53:09

And in return?

0:53:090:53:12

He goes free.

0:53:120:53:13

'I was on my own.

0:53:200:53:21

'It dies off about eight, you see, picks up again at about ten.'

0:53:210:53:24

'Hello?'

0:53:240:53:26

-Hugo Davies here, Tony.

-'You all right?'

0:53:260:53:29

You still after that gobshite Albie Flanagan?

0:53:290:53:31

'Yes, mate, too right.'

0:53:310:53:33

Yeah, he's just phoned for three specials.

0:53:330:53:36

-'Yeah, spot on. Be down in two.'

-OK, mate.

0:53:360:53:39

I go to the match.

0:53:400:53:41

I see linesmen.

0:53:420:53:44

They're unsure whether a man's offside or not,

0:53:450:53:48

but they put the flag up.

0:53:480:53:49

Nine times out of ten, they put the flag up.

0:53:500:53:53

Because they want to be seen to matter.

0:53:540:53:56

And you're seen to matter if you do something, not when you don't.

0:53:570:54:00

I think that's why I made the call.

0:54:020:54:05

'I wanted to be seen to matter.'

0:54:050:54:07

-All right, Hugo?

-All right, Albie? How's it going?

-Sound.

0:54:070:54:11

-How long have you been here?

-A few months.

-Is it any good?

0:54:110:54:14

Yeah, it's not bad.

0:54:140:54:15

Oh!

0:54:150:54:17

-Not in here!

-Touch her again and I'll kill you, right?

-Outside! Tony!

0:54:190:54:22

-Get him out!

-You got me, yeah?

-This is out of order, this, Tony!

0:54:220:54:25

This is completely out of order!

0:54:250:54:27

This'll bring the coppers round my shop! That's not right, Tony!

0:54:270:54:30

-I'll go on knocking the shit out of you.

-Take him outside.

0:54:300:54:33

-What are you looking at?

-Nothing.

0:54:330:54:35

-You think I'm shit?

-I'll kill you, right?

0:54:350:54:37

He's had enough now, mate. Tony, get the fuck out of my shop Tony, now!

0:54:370:54:41

I said,

0:54:410:54:42

-do you think I'm shit?!

-No.

0:54:420:54:44

Get him outside! Chill out, mate. It's all going to be on me...

0:54:440:54:47

If I had known you would do it here, I'd have never have rung you, mate!

0:55:000:55:03

He's stabbed him.

0:55:060:55:08

The mad bastard's stabbed him!

0:55:080:55:10

-Jesus, Kieran...

-I knew this would happen.

-You mad bastard!

0:55:100:55:13

You stupid mad bastard!

0:55:130:55:15

-Fucking...

-THEY ALL SHOUT AT ONCE

0:55:150:55:18

-..Someone's been stabbed.

-THEY SHOUT OVER ONE ANOTHER

0:55:180:55:21

I don't know what I'm doing, mate. Please.

0:55:210:55:24

Superbo Pizza, it's on the corner. Superbo Pizza.

0:55:240:55:27

The bastard's gone off without him. Holt Road. H-O-L-T. Holt.

0:55:270:55:31

They all just got off and left me to it, the pricks. Even Colin McCabe.

0:55:310:55:34

Even Colin McCabe?

0:55:340:55:36

Yeah, he's a nurse.

0:55:380:55:39

PHONE RINGS

0:55:460:55:49

-Hello? MARGARET:

-'It's me.'

0:55:510:55:53

-How are you?

-'Fine.'

0:55:560:55:59

'What is it?'

0:56:010:56:02

I can't get the money to bury him.

0:56:080:56:10

'Can I give you it?'

0:56:130:56:14

Yeah.

0:56:220:56:23

How much?

0:56:260:56:27

'4,600.

0:56:270:56:30

'And maybe 200 for the buffet.

0:56:300:56:33

'Four-eight.'

0:56:330:56:34

I'll bring round five grand tomorrow.

0:56:340:56:36

Four-eight.

0:56:360:56:38

Four-eight.

0:56:410:56:42

Thanks.

0:56:440:56:45

I'm sorry for treating you so badly.

0:56:510:56:53

I'm sorry for lying...

0:56:530:56:54

I just want the money, Tommy.

0:56:540:56:56

Right.

0:56:570:56:58

SHE HANGS UP

0:56:580:57:00

SHE EXHALES SHAKILY

0:57:060:57:08

# One morn I left him in his bed

0:57:150:57:18

# A moment after someone said... #

0:57:220:57:25

He's here, Mum.

0:57:250:57:27

# Your child is dying

0:57:270:57:31

# He is dead

0:57:310:57:32

# We made him ready for his rest

0:57:390:57:42

# Flowers in his hair and on his breast

0:57:450:57:49

# His little hands

0:57:510:57:53

# Together rest

0:57:540:57:57

# We sailed by night across the sea

0:58:030:58:07

# So floating from the world were we

0:58:100:58:14

# Apart from sympathy

0:58:160:58:18

# We three... #

0:58:190:58:22

Blessed art thou amongst women

0:58:220:58:23

and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

0:58:230:58:26

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now

0:58:260:58:28

and at the hour of our death.

0:58:280:58:30

-ALL:

-Amen.

0:58:300:58:31

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.

0:58:310:58:33

Blessed art thou amongst women,

0:58:330:58:35

and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

0:58:350:58:38

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners,

0:58:380:58:40

now and at the hour of our death.

0:58:400:58:42

-ALL:

-Amen.

-Hail Mary, full of grace.

0:58:420:58:44

-WOMAN SNIFFLES

-The Lord is with thee.

0:58:440:58:46

Blessed art thou amongst women,

0:58:460:58:47

and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

0:58:470:58:49

-WOMAN SOBS

-Holy Mary, Mother of God,

0:58:490:58:51

pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

0:58:510:58:54

-ALL:

-Amen.

0:58:540:58:55

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.

0:58:550:58:58

Blessed art thou amongst women,

0:58:580:58:59

and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

0:58:590:59:02

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners...

0:59:020:59:05

BOTTLE CLINKS ON GLASS

0:59:070:59:09

Not into that either?

0:59:290:59:31

SHE SOBS

0:59:500:59:53

We've been lucky. We have a good judge.

1:00:021:00:05

I'm going to ask him to view it as a straightforward murder case -

1:00:051:00:08

one killer, one victim, not joint enterprise.

1:00:081:00:12

-And if he agrees to that?

-If he agrees to that, then JohnJo's coming home with you.

1:00:121:00:15

No doubt whatsoever.

1:00:151:00:16

Kieran Gillespie,

1:00:181:00:21

you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.

1:00:211:00:24

How do you plead?

1:00:241:00:25

Not guilty.

1:00:251:00:27

Colin McCabe, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.

1:00:271:00:31

-How do you plead?

-Not guilty.

1:00:311:00:34

Anthony Wallace, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.

1:00:341:00:38

-How do you plead?

-Not guilty.

1:00:381:00:41

John Joseph O'Shea, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.

1:00:411:00:47

How do you plead?

1:00:471:00:49

-Not guilty.

-Be seated.

1:00:491:00:53

I'll hear submissions, we'll break and I'll respond after lunch.

1:00:561:01:01

Who will go first? Mr Barnes-Williams?

1:01:011:01:04

I represent John Joseph O'Shea and I make four main points, your honour.

1:01:061:01:10

First, four young men stand accused of murder.

1:01:101:01:15

Only one of them wielded the knife

1:01:151:01:17

and yet the prosecution will make no attempt to identify that man.

1:01:171:01:20

It need not do so because of Joint Enterprise.

1:01:201:01:24

Joint Enterprise, or Common Purpose, a law introduced in the 18th century

1:01:241:01:30

to stop the aristocracy from duelling, is now being used

1:01:301:01:34

increasingly against young people from our council estates.

1:01:341:01:37

And all too often it results in cases such as this,

1:01:371:01:40

where a young man, who is asked for a lift, gives that lift

1:01:401:01:44

and faces life in prison for it.

1:01:441:01:47

Secondly, I would submit that for a joint enterprise murder case to

1:01:481:01:52

proceed, all those involved in the enterprise must face trial.

1:01:521:01:57

But in this case, your honour,

1:01:571:01:59

one person does not, that is the pizza manager, Mr Hugo Davies.

1:01:591:02:05

Now it could be argued that his involvement

1:02:051:02:09

in all of this was vital,

1:02:091:02:12

after all it was he who alerted one young man to the fact that

1:02:121:02:15

another young man, his sworn enemy, would shortly be in the shop.

1:02:151:02:20

So why does Hugo Davies escape trial

1:02:201:02:23

when those who are far less guilty, face it?

1:02:231:02:27

Surely his absence from the dock means that only one man

1:02:271:02:30

can be held responsible for this crime and, again, it is

1:02:301:02:33

he who wielded the knife.

1:02:331:02:36

Thirdly, there was no joint enterprise to murder the victim,

1:02:361:02:41

there was no planning, there was no conspiracy.

1:02:411:02:44

At worst, Anthony Wallace went to the pizza shop to confront Albie Flanagan.

1:02:441:02:48

During the course of that confrontation, a young man,

1:02:481:02:53

Thomas Ward, an innocent bystander, was stabbed.

1:02:531:02:56

But nobody entered the shop intent on harming Thomas Ward.

1:02:561:03:02

His murder was just a moment of madness.

1:03:021:03:06

With no forethought and no plan.

1:03:061:03:09

So, again, only he who was responsible for this

1:03:091:03:12

moment of madness, he who wielded the knife, should face trial.

1:03:121:03:16

And the innocent should go free.

1:03:161:03:18

And fourthly, with specific reference to my client

1:03:181:03:21

John Joseph O'Shea.

1:03:211:03:23

He will simply say that he drove the others for a pizza

1:03:231:03:29

and there is no evidence to disprove that.

1:03:291:03:32

Furthermore, he didn't go into the shop with them so he wasn't even

1:03:321:03:35

on the scene of the crime when the crime was committed.

1:03:351:03:37

I submit it would be dangerous to proceed against him

1:03:371:03:40

on such a flimsy basis.

1:03:401:03:43

Joint enterprise might allow it, your honour.

1:03:431:03:47

Natural justice should not.

1:03:471:03:49

Thank you. Next? Mr Cotting?

1:03:501:03:54

Your honour, I represent...

1:03:541:03:57

Would you like us to sit somewhere else?

1:04:191:04:20

Yes.

1:04:241:04:26

Our son is innocent, Mrs Ward...

1:04:361:04:38

-Please, go.

-We're going.

1:04:381:04:40

I just want you to know he's telling the truth, he's innocent.

1:04:401:04:43

-Innocent?

-Yes.

1:05:001:05:02

-Then why didn't he phone the police immediately?

-Because his head was all...

1:05:021:05:06

His head? What about mine?

1:05:061:05:09

'And on that basis alone, the case'

1:05:191:05:22

against Colin McCabe should be heard.

1:05:221:05:26

Finally, John Joseph O'Shea.

1:05:261:05:30

Your first point, Mr Barnes-Williams,

1:05:301:05:32

seems to be this - you do not like joint enterprise.

1:05:321:05:36

You are not alone.

1:05:361:05:38

However, there is little I can do about that.

1:05:381:05:41

This is not parliament. We can't amend, create or abolish any law.

1:05:411:05:45

The law of joint enterprise exists, the crown has decided to

1:05:461:05:50

prosecute according to that law so it is my duty to hear it.

1:05:501:05:54

Now your second submission carries more weight.

1:05:551:05:58

If there are five people involved in a joint enterprise,

1:05:581:06:02

all five should stand trial.

1:06:021:06:04

That is not happening here.

1:06:041:06:06

Only four of the five face charges

1:06:061:06:09

and the fifth is a witness for the prosecution.

1:06:091:06:11

Rest assured, I will ask the jury to keep that in mind

1:06:111:06:16

when weighing his evidence.

1:06:161:06:18

I know that is not perfect but it is better than nothing.

1:06:181:06:22

Justice for four is surely better than justice for none.

1:06:221:06:26

Now, you say there was never any conspiracy or plan to attack Thomas Ward.

1:06:271:06:32

That's correct.

1:06:321:06:34

But there was a plan to attack a young man named Albert Flanagan

1:06:341:06:38

and in the course of that attack, Thomas Ward died.

1:06:381:06:42

Whether he was the intended target or an innocent bystander is

1:06:421:06:46

immaterial, it is still joint enterprise murder.

1:06:461:06:51

Finally, you describe the case against your client as

1:06:521:06:56

"flimsy" in that he didn't enter the shop but sat waiting in the car.

1:06:561:07:01

But this doesn't necessarily weaken the case against him.

1:07:011:07:06

It could strengthen it.

1:07:061:07:08

The prosecution could argue that John Joseph O'Shea was

1:07:081:07:11

a getaway driver.

1:07:111:07:14

And a getaway driver does not participate in the crime,

1:07:141:07:17

he sits in the car with the engine running.

1:07:171:07:20

On balance I think it right for the jury to consider that possibility.

1:07:201:07:24

I'm confident that the case against all four defendants should proceed.

1:07:251:07:29

-You're going to have to plead guilty, Kieran. That's the least you can do.

-No way.

-Take the blame.

1:07:311:07:35

-You're the one who dropped us in this shit.

-No way!

-What, you think you can get away with it?

1:07:351:07:39

-Yeah, I do. Yeah.

-You've got no chance of getting away with it, you prick.

1:07:391:07:42

He's told them everything. Hugo's told them everything.

1:07:421:07:44

When we take the stand, we'll tell them everything. You've got no chance.

1:07:441:07:47

-You're gonna grass?

-Of course we're going to grass. You stabbed someone, you knob!

1:07:471:07:51

You're going to have to tell them it were you. Just you.

1:07:511:07:55

Right? We knew nothing about it. We knew nothing about a knife.

1:07:551:07:58

Right?

1:07:581:07:59

And I'll go down for life.

1:07:591:08:01

You'll get life anyway cos you can't get away with it.

1:08:011:08:03

-We'll see.

-No, mate.

1:08:041:08:08

You take us down with you, your life won't be worth living inside.

1:08:081:08:11

I'll get to you. And if I don't, someone else will.

1:08:111:08:14

You'll be doing life and you'll cacking it every single day.

1:08:141:08:16

They'll put you with the nonces.

1:08:171:08:19

You'll be doing life with the nonces

1:08:191:08:21

unless you tell the truth and take the blame, mate.

1:08:211:08:24

Tell the truth, Kieran.

1:08:241:08:27

Go on, you'll be a hero, then, won't you?

1:08:271:08:30

"There's Kieran Gillespie who pleaded guilty to murder

1:08:301:08:32

"so his mates could go free.

1:08:321:08:34

"He's a good lad him."

1:08:341:08:35

I told my mum I didn't do it.

1:08:501:08:52

All right.

1:09:081:09:10

OK. I'll do it, yeah.

1:09:111:09:13

I'll do it. Who do I tell?

1:09:151:09:16

-The judge? What?

-No, you tell the prosecution. I'll do it.

1:09:161:09:19

I know him.

1:09:191:09:20

-No can do, I'm afraid.

-No?

-The judge will say, "Mr Gillespie's getting life anyway.

1:09:371:09:43

"He's got nothing to lose, so of course he's going try to

1:09:431:09:46

"get his mates off by taking all the blame."

1:09:461:09:48

-So what will you accept?

-Mr Gillespie pleads guilty to murder,

1:09:481:09:53

the other three to GBH or conspiracy to commit GBH.

1:09:531:09:56

What'll that get us?

1:09:561:09:58

Ten years.

1:09:581:09:59

Nowhere near ten years.

1:10:001:10:03

The tariff starts there but the judge will

1:10:031:10:05

knock off time for a guilty plea, time off for no previous.

1:10:051:10:08

At worst, at the very worst, six years.

1:10:081:10:13

We've done nothing!

1:10:151:10:18

I've done nothing.

1:10:181:10:19

He's done nothing and he's done even less!

1:10:191:10:22

I'm sorry but you either take what's on offer or you all

1:10:221:10:25

stand trial for joint enterprise murder.

1:10:251:10:28

Could I stand trial on my own?

1:10:311:10:33

Afraid not.

1:10:351:10:36

-Take six years or risk life?

-Yeah.

1:10:381:10:39

-Well?

-What?

-What does he do?

1:10:441:10:47

-I dunno.

-What do you think he should do?

1:10:471:10:51

I don't know!

1:10:511:10:54

-You're not getting away with it.

-What?

-You know what.

1:10:541:10:57

-You've never made a decision in your entire life...

-You've never let me!

-You have to make one now!

1:10:571:11:02

What do you think he should do?

1:11:021:11:03

-I told you, I dunno!

-You do, but you won't say. You want us to choose.

1:11:031:11:08

We choose wrong, he gets life, you blame us.

1:11:081:11:11

We take the six years, you blame us for that as well, well no, you're not on.

1:11:111:11:14

You tell us what you think he should do.

1:11:141:11:16

-Take the six years.

-Take the six years?

1:11:261:11:28

-Could you do six years?

-Couldn't do a week in Butlins.

1:11:301:11:33

I could do six years.

1:11:331:11:34

-It's not just six years though, is it? You'd be saying you played a part in that boy's death.

-I didn't.

1:11:341:11:40

I know.

1:11:401:11:42

BELL RINGS

1:11:421:11:43

I'm pleading guilty to nothing, Mum. They can do what they want.

1:11:491:11:53

PHONE RINGS

1:12:051:12:08

RECORDING: "Hi, we're not at home. Please leave a message."

1:12:081:12:11

'Hi, it's Shelagh, again.

1:12:121:12:13

'I know you're there, will you just pick up?

1:12:151:12:17

'If you don't pick up, I'm coming round.

1:12:201:12:22

'I'm coming round.'

1:12:261:12:27

There's Shelagh.

1:12:341:12:36

KNOCKING

1:12:391:12:41

You're wasting your time! I am not letting my son plead guilty to something he didn't do!

1:12:441:12:48

-You'd sooner him stand trial for murder?

-Yes!

1:12:481:12:50

-You think he'll get off with it, don't you?

-There's nothing to get off with! He's innocent!

1:12:501:12:54

I'll rephrase that. You think a jury will acquit him, right?

1:12:541:12:57

He stayed in the car, wasn't even near the scene of the crime.

1:12:571:13:00

-So therefore can't possibly be guilty, right?

-Right.

-Wrong!

1:13:001:13:04

There's people less guilty than Johnjo doing life.

1:13:051:13:08

Do you know what this law's about, this Joint Enterprise Law?

1:13:081:13:12

It's not about innocent or guilty,

1:13:121:13:15

it's about getting working class scum off the streets.

1:13:151:13:18

That's how they see our kids - scum, scallies. Your son, my son...

1:13:181:13:21

-I'm shutting this door.

-Gillespie and McCabe, they'll all get life...

1:13:211:13:24

-I'm shutting this door.

-You're not. You're going to hear me out.

1:13:241:13:27

Put it into your laptop.

1:13:271:13:29

Joint Enterprise and see what you get. Loads and...

1:13:291:13:31

Get your hands off my door!

1:13:311:13:33

..loads of innocent kids, twice as innocent as...

1:13:331:13:35

-Get your hands off my door!

-..Johnjo and they're all doing life.

1:13:351:13:38

-COLIN:

-All I did was watch my mate's back. That's all I did.

1:14:051:14:09

And it's bad enough getting six years for that,

1:14:091:14:11

so I'm fucked if I'm going to get life, Johnjo.

1:14:111:14:13

You'll be well looked after.

1:14:131:14:16

THEY SHOUT OVER EACH OTHER

1:14:161:14:17

Johnjo, are you fucking listening?

1:14:171:14:19

I know you've got to do a year on your own at the young offenders'.

1:14:191:14:22

You can't be with us because of your age. But after that, I promise you,

1:14:221:14:26

you'll be with us.

1:14:261:14:27

Every fucking prison I go in I'm gonna tell them about you, you cunt!

1:14:271:14:31

Take the six, Johnjo.

1:14:311:14:32

You dirty, shithead, stinking arsed grass.

1:14:321:14:35

Eyes in the back of your head, that's what you're going to need.

1:14:351:14:38

Plead guilty to GBH, Johnjo...

1:14:381:14:40

You know what we do to a grass' family?

1:14:401:14:42

-Tell them you'll take the GBH!

-We torch the bastards!

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-Tell them you'll take the GBH. Johnjo.

-You're dead!

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Johnjo! Tell them you'll take the fucking GBH.

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They're all going to fucking burn.

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I know you can hear me! Listen to me, mate.

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-Take the GBH.

-I'm going to fucking...

-Johnjo!

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He's a haemophiliac.

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We've mollycoddled him, wrapped him in cotton wool all his life.

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You think he'll survive six years in prison?

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-It won't be six years.

-He'll get picked on, bullied, you know he will.

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Six years for my son is not the same as six years for the others.

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Six years for my son might as well be life

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so we're pleading not guilty.

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Well, in that case I can no longer represent him.

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What?!

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Why isn't the pizza manager standing trial with them?

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Because they needed his statement. The price they paid was his freedom.

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They needed Johnjo's statement.

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Yes. But he gave his away for nothing.

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Oh, he was honest, you mean. A big mistake, being honest.

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-Yes.

-It's nothing to do with Johnjo, this.

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You don't want to lose. You don't want to be seen to lose.

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Mrs O'Shea, I care only for Johnjo. If we fight and lose, he gets life.

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If we plead guilty,

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the worst scenario is five years and four months.

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Not six years, five years and four months.

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The best scenario - he comes home with you today.

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Kieran Gillespie, you are charged with the murder

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of Thomas James Ward. How do you plead?

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Guilty.

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Colin McCabe, you are charged with conspiracy to commit

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grievous bodily harm. How do you plead?

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Guilty.

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Anthony Wallace, you are charged with conspiracy to

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commit grievous bodily harm. How do you plead?

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Guilty.

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John Joseph O'Shea,

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you are charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm.

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How do you plead?

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How do you plead?

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Guilty.

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You may be seated.

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# Pay it I will to the end

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# Until the grave, my friend

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# Gives me a true release

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# Gives me the clasp of peace... #

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'Kieran Gillespie, I take 25 years as a starting point.'

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I add two for the planned nature of the attack,

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two for the fact that it was a group attack

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and two years for the vulnerability of the victim.

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I deduct three years for the absence of an intention to kill,

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two years for your plea of guilty

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and two years for the lack of parental guidance.

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Kieran Gillespie, you are to be detained at her Majesty's pleasure

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for a minimum term of 24 years...

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COMMOTION

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Colin McCabe and Anthony Wallace,

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in each of your cases I start at ten years.

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I will deduct one year for your previous good characters

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and allow the full one-third discount for your guilty pleas.

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Colin McCabe and Anthony Wallace,

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you will each go to prison for six years.

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John Joseph O'Shea,

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you were 17 at the time of the offences

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and I therefore start at eight years.

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I will deduct a full one-third for your guilty plea

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and I sentence you, under the Power of the Criminal Court Act,

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to five years and four months' detention.

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Take them down, please.

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(Thank you so much.)

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BELL RINGS

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You all right?

1:20:501:20:52

Good to see you.

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-How are you?

-Great.

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-Yeah?

-Yeah. Honest.

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Nothing to worry about in here, they're a great bunch of lads.

1:21:081:21:11

They leaving you alone?

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Yeah!

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They know I'm haemophiliac, they know if they touch me, then they can kill me.

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It's like walking around with a suit of armour on or something!

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Mum, I'm fine. Honestly.

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Right? I'm fine.

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It's just a bit boring, that's all.

1:21:331:21:35

Did you see the lawyer?

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-Yeah.

-And?

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There's nothing he can do, Johnjo.

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-He said he was going to do all sorts.

-I know.

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"Joint enterprise is wrong, joint enterprise needs changing,

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"joint enterprise this, joint enterprise that."

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You're not joint enterprise, son.

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What?

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You pleaded guilty to something else.

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It wasn't even a trial.

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I only pleaded guilty because I was scared of joint enterprise.

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I know.

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There's nothing we can do about it now.

1:22:401:22:42

Oh, well!

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-Your neighbour said you'd been to see him.

-Yeah.

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How is he?

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Fine.

1:24:101:24:11

Coping?

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I don't think so.

1:24:201:24:21

He pretends he is but I don't think he is.

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And you?

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Actually, Mrs Ward, I'm really proud of him.

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I always thought he'd make me proud by getting a degree or something

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but he's doing five and a half years and he's got haemophilia

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and all he cares about is not upsetting me

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and I think that is so...

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I think that is so fucking brave.

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I'm sorry.

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It's OK.

1:25:061:25:08

I know you'd love your son to be doing five and a half years but...

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Could you tell him I got his letter?

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His letter?

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He wrote to me.

1:25:261:25:28

You didn't know?

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Would you like to see it?

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Yes.

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"Dear Mrs Ward, I'm writing this after getting sentenced

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"because I don't want you to think I'm only writing so the judge will go easy on me.

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"I thought we were going for a pizza, Mrs Ward, honest.

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"But I've realised that doesn't make me innocent.

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"See, if I hadn't had been born,

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"I wouldn't have been able to drive them, and your Thomas would still be alive.

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"So that's kind of a guilt.

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"It's not really a guilty guilt, it's more of an innocent guilt

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"but it's a guilt just the same

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"and it's easier to do five and a half years thinking like that

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"than five and a half years thinking I'm innocent.

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"I'm really sorry, Mrs Ward.

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"I'm really, really sorry."

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Do you believe him?

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Yes.

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# This is the debt I pay

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# Just for one riotous day

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# Years of regret and grief

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# Sorrow without relief

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# Slight was the thing I bought

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# Small was the debt I thought

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# Poor was the loan at best

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# God! But the interest!

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My son Jordan is serving a 12 year minimum life sentence

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for joint enterprise murder.

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My sister Laura was given 13 years 6 month sentence

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for joint enterprise murder.

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My brother Michael Hall was given 13 years 6 months

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for joint enterprise murder.

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He was 15.

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