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MUSIC AND HUBBUB OF VOICES | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
MEN SHOUT | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
-Drive! -What? -Just drive! | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
You crazy twat! You're taking the piss, you! | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
You stupid prick, you've dropped us all in the shit now, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
-you stupid bastard! -What's happened?! | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
-You stupid braindead bastard... -He was asking for it. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
-What's happened? -Nothing. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:35 | |
-You've dropped us all in the shit now, you crazy twat... -He was asking for it. He was asking for it! | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
-I warned you about this prick, didn't I?! -What's happened?! -Nothing has happened! | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Nothing's happened? Nothing's happened? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-He's only gone and stabbed someone, hasn't he? Crazy twat. -Just shut it. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
-What?! -Listen, shut it. -He's stabbed someone, the mad twat! | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
I'll stab you in a minute, yeah? | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
-Colin, just leave it out, yeah? -You'll stab me?! | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Hey! Hey, get off him! | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
Pull over! Pull over now! | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
SHOUTING CONTINUES | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Get out! Get out the car now! You stay there. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Come on then! | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
What? What? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
He was looking at me, right?! | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
-Looking at me like I'm shit! -Where is it? -What?! | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
-The knife. Where is it? -It's here. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
-Put it down there. -It's our Paul's. -Put it down there! | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
MOBILE KEYS BEEP | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Did he kill him? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
-Did you kill him?! -I don't know. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
-'Yeah?' -It's Tony. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
You bastard! | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
You got off and left me to it, you prick. McCabe as well. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
-'How is he?' -I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing, do I? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
He could be bleeding to death for all I know, you prick. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
-Will he live? -'I very much doubt it, but how would I know?' | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
Why did you bring that mad bastard, eh? | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
The paramedics are here. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
He's bad. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
-How bad? -Dunno. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
But he'll live, though, yeah? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
-Eh? -Just drive. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
POLICE RADIO CRACKLES | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
SIREN SOUNDS | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
DOORBELL | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
DOORBELL | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
-Mrs Ward? -Yeah. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
Mother of Thomas Ward? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
We've been told to bring you down to the Royal, Mrs Ward. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Thomas has had a bit of an accident. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
What sort of accident? | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
I don't know, love. We've just been told to come and get you. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
I'm dyeing my hair. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Sorry. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
Just a sec. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:15 | |
-SHE DIALS -My daughter. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
She spent most of the day getting ready, she's won't be best pleased. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
-'Hello?' -You'll have to come back, Julie, and look after the kids. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
-'Why?' -Thomas is in hospital. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
You lived there long? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Three years. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
We used to live by the park but then we split up, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
me and their dad, so we had to find somewhere cheaper. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Do you still see him? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Only when I have to. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Hello. I'm Margaret Ward. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
My son Thomas is here. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:14 | |
-Surname, please. -He's had an accident apparently. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Thomas Ward. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
If you just hang on, I'll make a call. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
Jennifer? Hi, it's reception. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Mrs Ward is here. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
-What is it, please? -Mrs Ward? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
-I'm looking for my son. -Mrs Ward? -Thomas Ward. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
-I'm Jennifer Fielding, Mrs Ward. Could you come with me, please? -Why? | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
-Come with me, please, Mrs Ward. Please. -Where? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
There's a room just through here. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
Come in, please, Mrs Ward. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
Please. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Thomas didn't make it, I'm afraid. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Make what? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
He was stabbed earlier this evening | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
and died just an hour or so ago. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
I'm really sorry. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
I think you've got the wrong boy. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
I'm Thomas Ward's mother, and he had a bit of an accident, that's all. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
He was stabbed at the pizza place on Holt Road, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Mrs Ward, and died here a short time later. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
CAR DOOR SHUTS | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
DOOR CLOSES | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
Where you been? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
-Out. -Where? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
Just out. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
-Who with? -No-one. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
-What, you went out on your own? -Yeah. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
-You're lying. -I'm not! | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
-Will you talk to this one? -I'm going to the toilet. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Hey. Hey! | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Hello? | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
'This is Jennifer Fielding, Mr Ward. I'm the social worker at the Royal | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
'and I have some news about your son, Thomas.' | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
What is it? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
'I have your wife...' | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
..ex-wife here. I'll pass you over. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Hi. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
He's dead. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
LINE GOES DEAD | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
BABY SPLUTTERS AND CRIES | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
SPORTS STATION ON RADIO | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
What you listening to that shite for? | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Fatal stabbing at the pizza place. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Who told you that? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
On the telly. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Is he dead? | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
"Fatal", knobhead. Of course he's dead. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
He's in there. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
They want someone to identify him. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
-What, you haven't done it? -No. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Shall I? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
Just tell me it's not him. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
Shall I come in with you? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
No. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
MRS WARD SOBS | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
-It's half eight. -Right. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Why are you still here? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
Just waiting for someone. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
Who? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
-Kieran Gillespie. -What are you waiting for that prick for? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
I just need to speak to him. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
About what? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
-About what? -I'll see you later. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Kieran. Kieran. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
He's dead. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
Yeah, I know. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
What are you going to do? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
-You'll have to go to the police. -What?! | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
You'll have to go to the police. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
I'm not going to the police, you prick. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
It's only going to be worse if they have to come and get you, innit? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Why are they going to come and get me, eh? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
What are you saying? You going to grass me up? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
-Is that what you're saying, you're going to grass on me? -No, I'm not saying that. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
-How are they going to know it's me, then? -They won't. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
But they'll know it's me. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
How? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
The car. It was our Patrick's car. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
How are they going to know that? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
-Cameras. CCTV. -There weren't any. -There were. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
All right, yeah, so they'll ask you a few questions. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
But you say nothing, don't you? Eh? You don't grass. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
If you grass...then you're dead. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
And more than that, lad, more than that, if you grass, if you nonce on anyone, yeah, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
then your mum's dead and your dad's dead and your sister's dead | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
and your house is torched. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
Yeah? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
Right? Comprendo? Do you understand what I'm saying to you, yeah? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah?! -Yeah, yeah. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Good. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
Johnjo. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
What's going on? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
What's going on, Johnjo? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Johnjo! | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
MOBILE RINGS | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
He's dead. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Major error, mate. Don't use the phone. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
You don't contact me, Colin or Kieran by phone. Right? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
'Right.' | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
I'll come and see you in work. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
When? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
'Soon.' | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
W-A-R-D. Ward. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Hang on a sec. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
486...892. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
DOORBELL | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-All right? -Yes, boss. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
-I won't be in today. -'Are you ill?' | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
No. I'm not ill, no. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
'So...what's the problem?' | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
My son's been murdered. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
-'What?' -I said, my son's been murdered. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Are you still there? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
'Yeah, OK... Er, I'll let them know.' | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
Thanks. I'd really appreciate that. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
'Yeah, OK, sure.' | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
-Thanks. -'I'm really sor...' -Thanks. Bye. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
Er, Margaret Ward, Detective Inspector Hastings. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
I'm very sorry, Mrs Ward. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
-Thanks. -We'll do all we can to get these people. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
People? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
Yes. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:43 | |
More than one, then? | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
We think so. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:46 | |
You've got a daughter. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
Nicola. | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
Yes. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
We were at school together. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:04 | |
I stayed in your house loads of times. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Margaret...Devaney. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
Then, yeah. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
Otherwise known as Roger the Lodger. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Yeah! | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
-How is she? -Great. -Married? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
Yeah. Three kids. Boy of 18 and two... | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
It's OK. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Two daughters. 13 and 14. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
Lovely. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:34 | |
We'll get them, Margaret. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
I'm sorry about this, Johnjo. I'm really sorry, mate. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
-What are we going to do? -I don't know. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
You were going there to get him, weren't you? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Yeah. Not the lad who died. But, yeah, someone, yeah. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Nothing to do with pizzas at all. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
-No. -And the others, they knew, didn't they? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
Everyone knew bar me, yeah? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
I'm telling you the pizza I want but it's got nothing to do with pizzas | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-because you're going there to sort some little bastard out! -Sh, sh, sh... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
I'm made up, aren't I? I'm made up when I get the call. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
"Johnjo, come for a pizza with the big lads. Come for a pizza..." | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
-Shush, mate. -"Why don't you drive us for a pizza, Johnjo?" | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
But all you're interested in is the car. The fucking car! | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
-There's people looking over... -That makes me feel like shit, mate, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
-and so it should, cos... -Please, just shut it. Just fucking SHUT IT! -Cos that's how you've treated me! | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
-Like shit! That's how you've treated me! -Listen, we're cousins, right? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
If I drop my cousin in shit, I'll get him out of it. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Right? | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
Yeah, we lied to you, but you should be grateful, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
because you can put your hand on your heart and say, "I knew nothing. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
"I knew absolutely nothing." And we'll back you up on that. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
We'll make sure everyone knows you're innocent. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
I'm innocent, Colin's innocent, but you're even more innocent. Right? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
-So, what...so you'll tell them? -If we have to, yeah. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
-If you have to?! -Nobody's been picked up yet, have they? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
As soon as they are, if they are, we tell Kieran he's got to | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
cough for it, he's got to tell the bizzies it was him. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Nobody else had a knife, nobody else used a knife, least of all you. Right? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
You've got nothing to worry about, Johnjo. Eh? | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Can we get them enhanced? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Yeah, we're trying. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
This is the best we've got of the other three. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
Uh. Could be anyone. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
-Hello? -DI Hastings here. Is that you, Margaret? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
-Yeah. -Just letting you know we're arresting someone soon | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
and it's significant. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-Who? -Name again? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
O'Shea. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
'O'Shea. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
'Mean anything?' | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
No. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
-So it's nothing to do with money? -No. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
And nothing to do with being on telly? | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
It's nothing to do with that. It's just some girls are into footie. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
-Bollocks. -Language. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:19 | |
-So it's footie, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
-So they play footie, so girls who are into footie are gonna be attracted to 'em? -Yeah. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
-That's your argument, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
-I play footie. -So? | 0:18:27 | 0:18:28 | |
So how comes they're not throwing themselves all over me? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
-Have you looked in the mirror lately? -Has Wayne Rooney? | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
I'm going to get a bird like his, am I, cos she's into football and I play for the Dog and Duck? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
-They were childhood sweethearts. -Oh, bollocks! -I won't tell you again! | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
It's about being famous and having a load of dosh. Football gives you both. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
It's nothing to do with football itself. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
That's just a means to an end. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
It could be anything like that. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
Singing, dancing, boxing, anything that brings a bit of fame and fortune. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
-And of course they're gonna say they're into it... -KNOCK AT DOOR | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
No bird's going to say, "I can't stand football but I love the dosh." | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Patrick O'Shea? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
-Johnjo O'Shea. -Is Patrick in? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
Who is it, Johnjo? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
-Yeah. -We'll come in then, OK? | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Who is it? | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
Patrick O'Shea? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
-Yeah? -We're arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Thomas Ward. -What? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
You do not have to say anything. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
-However, if you do not mention something you later rely on in court... -This is a joke, isn't it? | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
..it could harm your defence. Anything you do say | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
may be used in evidence against you. Do you understand? | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
-It's a joke, right? -Do you understand? -No! | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
-I think you do but I'll say it again. -No, no... -And sorry about this, but it's murder, so... | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
If you do not mention something you later rely on in court it could harm your defence. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
-Is this the boy last night? -Yes. -But he was with his girl! -In that case he's got nothing to worry about. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
-I haven't done anything! -You've got the wrong boy, you've made a mistake! | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
-He hasn't done anything wrong! -Where are they taking him? | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
-They're arresting him! -Patrick! | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
-Patrick! -Patrick! -Patrick, what's happening?! -Dad, what's going on? | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
-I don't know, did he say anything to you? -He hasn't said anything to me. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Patrick, call us, all right? We can get in there. Tell us where you are. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
-Patrick, what's happening! -Did he tell you anything? -No, nothing. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
Shit. I can't believe it. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
-SHE SCREAMS -NO!!!!!! | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
No! No... | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
No!!! | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
No!! | 0:22:36 | 0:22:37 | |
-They're letting you go...? -Police bail. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Where's Johnjo? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:03 | |
He's in the car. We're on double yellows. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
-What's going on? -I'll tell you when we get home. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Move. Now. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
-What's going on? -I've told you. When we get home. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
-Does it involve Johnjo? -Yeah. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
CAR DOORS OPEN | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
What do you think it is? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
Sit down. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
You're scaring me now, Patrick. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
You don't know the half of it, Mam. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Sit down. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
Sit...down. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
Tell 'em. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
Or shall I tell 'em? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
That stabbing in the pizza place - the lads who did it used my car. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
How? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
He gave 'em a lift in it. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
-I've seen it on CCTV, Mum. -Oh, my God. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
-They...they told me they were going for a pizza. -Oh, Johnjo. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
-I wish I could smack you, you little prick. -I thought they were going for a pizza! | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
Kids at home? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
Yeah. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
How are they? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
Over the moon. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:47 | |
Sorry. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
We bumped into each other. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Two weeks ago. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
What, he didn't mention it? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
No. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:09 | |
Did he speak? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
No. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
He said hello. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:19 | |
That was all. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:22 | |
"Hello" was more than you deserved. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
Can I ask you something? | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
What is it? | 0:26:41 | 0:26:42 | |
Did you have to turn him against me? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
-I didn't. -You did. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
I just told him the truth. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
-The truth was always going to make it worse. -How? | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
You were leaving us. How could it get any worse? | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
You dying, maybe. | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
No, not even you dying, cos you dying brings in money - | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
pension, insurance. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
You leaving means we're skint! | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
You know what it is? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Guilt. You feel as guilty as sin. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
Well, you've always felt as guilty as sin, ever since you left, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
and now THIS. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
This makes it ten times worse. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Well, sorry, nothing I can do for you. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
My kids were traumatised, you see. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
You couldn't possibly know how traumatised cos you were off swanning it with your fancy piece. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
I was looking at it day in, day out. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
So I made sure they knew that it wasn't my fault. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
And you'd have done the same. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
It's not guilt. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
Well, not...it's not all guilt. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
I used to imagine our reconciliation. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I'd meet him one day when he was older... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
..knew more about men and women, and... | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
..we'd go for a pint... | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
..and I'd talk to him man to man, you know. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
Brutal honesty. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:27 | |
"One life, one shot at happiness," all that stuff. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
And after that, he'd have some sort of grudging... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Well, no, not respect, no. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
A grudging acceptance maybe. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
And I'd build on that, you know. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
I'd build on it. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:56 | |
But he's gone. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
And so has the prospect of our reconciliation. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
And that makes me so... | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
-You know, it makes me... -Don't you dare cry! | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
You don't have the right. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
You cry and I'll... | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
KNOCK AT DOOR | 0:29:25 | 0:29:26 | |
They, erm... They can do an independent postmortem for defence purposes. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
So...you'll be able to bury him in the next few weeks. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
Thanks. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:50 | |
Did you decide which coffin...? | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Yeah. The white one. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
That's rather more expensive. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
-It's OK. -If you were on benefits, we could... | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
It has to be the white one | 0:30:05 | 0:30:06 | |
cos his friends want to write little messages on it. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
I'll get the money. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
It needs to be up front, you see... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
It's hard to talk money at a time like this but... | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
Honestly, it's OK! | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
I'll be getting money from Criminal Injuries, so I'll use that. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
I don't think that'll come in time. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
-Could I... -No! You gave us nothing when he was alive! | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
I'm sorry about this. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
You won't do it now he's dead! | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
-SOBBING: -I'm sorry... | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
BELL CHIMES | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
-'Tomorrow? -Yeah.' | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
Why wait till tomorrow? | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
Two reasons - one, they'll call him a grass. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
-What? -They'll call him a grass. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:30 | |
-A boy's just been killed, for God's sake! -I know that. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Everyone should be a grass when a boy's been killed. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
-I agree... -Everyone should tell the police what they know! | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
That's what we'd want if it happened to us! | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
-Not everyone sees it that way. -We'd expect them to tell the truth | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
I agree! But there's loads here who don't! | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
They don't. Them mad bastards over there, they don't see it like that. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
They'll burn us out because he's grassed them up. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
And if they don't burn us out, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
the family of the lad who died will burn us out. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
That's the reality! | 0:31:53 | 0:31:54 | |
We're going to need a bit of time to find somewhere else to live | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
cos we're not going to be able to live round here. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
And we can't do anything until he's got a lawyer, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
a proper criminal lawyer, and we won't get one on a Sunday. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
-He doesn't need one! -So we'll have to wait until tomorrow. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
-Course he needs one! -He's done nothing wrong! | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
All he's got to do is go there and tell the truth | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
cos he's got nothing to fear from telling the truth! | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
"Why wait?" That's what they'll say. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
"Why didn't you come right round, as soon as you knew? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
"And why are you hiding behind a lawyer? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
"If you've got nothing to hide, why the wait? Why the lawyer?" | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
-Where are you going? -Toilet. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
I can't believe you're acting like this. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Some poor boy's just been murdered! | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
I'm thinking of Johnjo! | 0:32:29 | 0:32:30 | |
Some poor mother is off her head with grief | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
and you're ducking and diving! | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
I'm not ducking and diving! For God's sake, woman, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
I'm thinking about our son! | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
I can't believe you're acting this way! | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
What's happened to you?! | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
MUFFLED ARGUMENT CONTINUES | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
# This is the debt I pay | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
# Just for one riotous day | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
# Years of regret and grief | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
# Sorrow without relief... # | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
-Mr Hastings? -Yes. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
I'm Johnjo O'Shea. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
You came to our house when you arrested our Patrick. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
-It was me who opened the door. -Right. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
-It was me. -Right. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
It was me who drove the car. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
-They told me they were going for a pizza. -The other lads? -Yeah. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
-And you believed them? -Yeah. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
In that case, you've got nothing to fear, son. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
-You just tell me everything you know and then... -I'm going to. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
-..you can go back home, OK? -OK. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
-How old are you? -17. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Do you want your parents to sit in on this? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
-No. -OK. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
-Johnjo at yours by any chance? -Patrick O'Shea, Mrs Mac. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Is your Michael there? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:23 | |
He didn't say anything, just disappeared. He never does that. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
No, he's gone missing, mate. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
We're getting worried about him. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:29 | |
-It's OK, I'll hang on. -No, I've tried his mobile. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
He's not answering it. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:32 | |
DI Hastings, DC Jane Pearson with John Joseph O'Shea. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
Interview begins 1:18pm, 20 June 2013. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
You remember I asked you if you wanted your parents in on this | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
interview, Johnjo, and you said no? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
-Do you remember that? -Yeah. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
Well, you can have a lawyer here if you want. That's your right too. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
-Do you understand that? -Yeah. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
-Do you want a lawyer? -No, I've done nothing wrong. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
I'm just telling the truth. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Do you want to answer that? | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
No. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Still message. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:24 | |
'Leave your number and I'll give you a call back.' | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
Johnjo, I'm fed up with you messing about! | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
I'm worried sick about you! Now phone me! | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
One of my brother's mates phoned and asked for a lift to the pizza place. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
I said yeah, and he came round with another mate | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
and a lad called...Kieran Gillespie. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Wait in the car. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
-That's him. -Who? -No-one. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
No mushrooms on mine. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
MUSIC PLAYS IN CAR | 0:35:59 | 0:36:00 | |
MUSIC: "Ill Manors" by Plan B | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
CHEERING FROM FAIR | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
MEN SHOUT | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
What the fuck did you do that for?! | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Get in the fucking car! | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Fucking little git! | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
Drive. Drive! | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
Fucking stupid! Brake then... | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Nearly there now, Johnjo. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Just a few more things we need and then it's over, OK? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Who were the other two lads? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
They didn't do anything wrong. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
I understand that, but we need to know their names, Johnjo. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
I don't mind grassing Kieran Gillespie up, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
because he did the stabbing. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
But I'm not grassing on the other two, no. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
They your mates? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
-No. -Your brother's mates? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
Yeah. | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
Who matters more to you - | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
them or your parents? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
My parents. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
You said they were rowing, Johnjo. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Your parents? Over you. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
-Yeah. -Over whether to go to the police or not. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:23 | |
That's bad news. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Your parents could go to prison for that, Johnjo. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
Not calling the police, that's perverting the course of justice. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
And even if they only did it cos they love you, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
it's very, very serious. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Luckily, you've come forward and as long as we get the whole truth from you, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
we should be able to turn a blind eye to all that. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
So it's good, isn't it? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
I've already told you, I'm not... | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
I'm not grassing on the other two. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
Kieran Gillespie, yeah. The other two, no. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
OK. | 0:37:58 | 0:37:59 | |
You left the engine running. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
-Yeah. -Why? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
It was cold. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:08 | |
For a quick getaway? | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
No. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:14 | |
-Shall we go looking for him? Drive round a bit? -Where would we look? | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
-I don't know. -What if he comes back while we're out? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
I can't just sit round here. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
Oh, Pete! | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
What's happened to him? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
-We've got a warrant to search the house, Mrs O'Shea. -What?! | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
-We need to search the house. -You've not come about Johnjo? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
We spoke to Johnjo, and acting on information he gave us | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
-we obtained a warrant to search the house. -Where is he? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
-Down the station. Do you mind if we come in? -I don't understand. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
I'll explain inside. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
-What's going on? -Searching the house. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
We'd like you to stay in this room | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
and WPC Matthews will stay with you. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
We'd like you to try and sit and relax. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
And certainly don't remove anything from the room. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
-If you need to use the bathroom... -How did you talk to Johnjo? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
He came into the station and made a full statement. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
-A full statement? -Yes. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
If he's made a full statement, you'll know he's done nothing. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
If you want to use the bathroom, a police officer will have to go with you. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
We'll almost certainly have to take stuff away, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
-should that happen, we'll photograph it... -Can I see my son, please? | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
We'll get you to witness it and we'll give you a receipt. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
Can I see my son, please?! | 0:39:30 | 0:39:31 | |
I'll organise that as soon as I can. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
My daughter's upstairs! | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
-Will you get her down, please? -Karen! | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
We'll need the clothes Johnjo was wearing that night. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Karen, get down here! | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
What's going on? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:42 | |
They'll be in the basket. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
He's wearing the jeans. Socks, vest and undies will be in the basket. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
-Mum? -Get down here! | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
What's going on? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
They're searching the house. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
-Get in here. -For God's sake... | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
Look right. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
Look left. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
We're better than that. Come on. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
Auntie Shelagh. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:14 | |
-Is it true? -Is what true? | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
-Police searched your house. -Yeah. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
-Does she know? -No. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
What were they looking for? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
-Evidence. -About what? | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
If you don't tell her, I will. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
What? | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
What is it? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
That stabbing in the pizza place. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
Yeah? | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
Johnjo drove them. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
It were Kieran...Gillespie. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
How do you know? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
How do you know that? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
I was with him. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:05 | |
You used him, didn't you? | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Our Johnjo. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
-No, mate. -You did. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
You know the kind of lad he is. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
You know he thinks the sun shines out of your arse. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
He was never going to say no to you. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
No, mate. We tried you first, your phone were off. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
I'm sorry, Mum. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
They said they won't let me go. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
It's only for one night, Johnjo. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
Just one night. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:25 | |
And tomorrow, we go to court, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
we tell them you've done nothing, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
we get you out and we bring you home. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Right. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
I promise. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
'We ask for bail on three counts, Ma'am.' | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
One, he's 17 years of age. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
Two, he's a young man of impeccable character, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
no previous convictions whatsoever. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
Three, he walked into the police station of his own accord | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
and gave a full and frank statement. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
And that is the only reason he stands before you today. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Yes? | 0:44:10 | 0:44:11 | |
We oppose bail, Ma'am, due to the serious nature of the charge. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
Bail refused. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
You are remanded in custody to reappear here in two weeks' time. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
Take him down. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:23 | |
MAN: There's been a mix up with the paperwork... | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
-Excuse me. -Can you be more specific? -Excuse me, please! | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
Yes? | 0:44:32 | 0:44:33 | |
-Are you OK, Mr O'Shea? -He's a haemophiliac! | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
Oh. Well, I'll make sure he's looked after, don't worry. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
Take him down, please. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
4,600. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
Yes. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
Well, I don't have any recent experience, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
but isn't that's a lot for a funeral? | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
It's a bit more than average, yes. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
Well, you've had an overdraft with us for...quite some time | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
and your mortgage is still in arrears, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
so you've obviously struggled. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Unless your personal circumstances have radically improved, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
then I just don't think it's wise to take on any more debt. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
Sorry. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
But they have improved. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
-Radically improved. -How? | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
I have one less mouth to feed. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
Sorry about that. And I'm sorry to have bothered you. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
And now the three of you walking purposefully | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
from the car to the pizza place. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
That is you there, Kieran, yeah? | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
No comment. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
You say you went in for a pizza, but that could be 20 minutes. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
-Why leave the engine running? -No comment. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
And now you're out again, panicking. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
You'd call that panicking, wouldn't you, Colin? | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
There, you're shouting at Kieran Gillespie. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
-Why are you shouting at him? -No comment. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
-Hiya. -All right? | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
I'm just passing, I thought I'd give you a lift. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
Where? | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
ID parade. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:12 | |
-Why are we stopping here? -His mother lives here. -Whose? | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
Boy who got stabbed. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:44 | |
She's got something to say to you. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
DOOR BELL RINGS | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
-Hi, Margaret. Margaret Ward, this is Hugo Davies. -Hello. -Hello. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
-He runs the pizza place. -Oh! | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
I wanted to thank you, Hugo. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
Thank you for phoning the ambulance so promptly, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
for giving my son his best chance of survival. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
It wasn't meant to be, but... | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
Thank you. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:33 | |
I'll phone you tonight. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:38 | |
ENGINE STARTS | 0:48:45 | 0:48:46 | |
'We think one of the three men who entered your shop | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
'on the night of the murder is in this line-up.' | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
Can you see if you recognise anyone, please? | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
No. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
-Are you sure? -Yeah. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:56 | |
Right, well... | 0:49:58 | 0:49:59 | |
One more. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
Again, see if you can recognise anyone, please. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
-No. -HUGO CLEARS HIS THROAT | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
-Do you want to see them again? -No. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
You were very quick, you see. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
I've been a copper now for 33 years and I've never seen anyone as quick. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
It was if you didn't want to recognise anyone. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Sorry. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:45 | |
You will be, son. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
You didn't even recognise Tony Wallace. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
-Who is Tony Wallace? -You don't know Tony Wallace? -No. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
We've checked the calls made to and from your shop. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
You phoned him 15 minutes before the murder. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
He phoned you immediately after it. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I'd like a lawyer, please. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:13 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:15 | |
There is very little I can do for my son. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
But I can give him a good sendoff, a good funeral. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
I'm getting £5,000 anyway. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
I don't want it, but I'm getting it. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
So give me it now and then I can bury him with it. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
We'll speed things through as much as possible, Mrs Ward, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
but...I can't promise payment before the funeral. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
Well, then, how do I bury my son? | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
And what are you charging my client with? | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
-Murder. -What? -Joint enterprise murder. -That's ridiculous! | 0:51:54 | 0:51:59 | |
Isn't it? | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
No. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:02 | |
Acid indigestion. It's taking the enamel off my teeth. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
-God knows what it's doing to my stomach. -In the old days, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
we worked hard to establish who it was who used the knife. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
He'd get done for murder and the other scumbags would go free. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
All that effort, I used to think, just so scumbags could go free. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
Well, now it's all changed. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
We don't have to prove who used the knife any more... | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
..cos you all get done for murder. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
If you were there, egging him on, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
backing him up, helping in any way... | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
..a phone call, a knowing look, even... | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
..you get done for murder. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
It's called joint enterprise, Hugo, and I love it. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
Yes. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:54 | |
-Is there anything we can help you with, Detective Inspector? -Yeah. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:04 | |
He can make a full statement, name names | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
and agree to give evidence, if necessary. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
And in return? | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
He goes free. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:13 | |
'I was on my own. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:21 | |
'It dies off about eight, you see, picks up again at about ten.' | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
'Hello?' | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
-Hugo Davies here, Tony. -'You all right?' | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
You still after that gobshite Albie Flanagan? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
'Yes, mate, too right.' | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
Yeah, he's just phoned for three specials. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
-'Yeah, spot on. Be down in two.' -OK, mate. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
I go to the match. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:41 | |
I see linesmen. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
They're unsure whether a man's offside or not, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
but they put the flag up. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:49 | |
Nine times out of ten, they put the flag up. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
Because they want to be seen to matter. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
And you're seen to matter if you do something, not when you don't. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
I think that's why I made the call. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
'I wanted to be seen to matter.' | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
-All right, Hugo? -All right, Albie? How's it going? -Sound. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
-How long have you been here? -A few months. -Is it any good? | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
Yeah, it's not bad. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
Oh! | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
-Not in here! -Touch her again and I'll kill you, right? -Outside! Tony! | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
-Get him out! -You got me, yeah? -This is out of order, this, Tony! | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
This is completely out of order! | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
This'll bring the coppers round my shop! That's not right, Tony! | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
-I'll go on knocking the shit out of you. -Take him outside. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
-What are you looking at? -Nothing. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
-You think I'm shit? -I'll kill you, right? | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
He's had enough now, mate. Tony, get the fuck out of my shop Tony, now! | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
I said, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:42 | |
-do you think I'm shit?! -No. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
Get him outside! Chill out, mate. It's all going to be on me... | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
If I had known you would do it here, I'd have never have rung you, mate! | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
He's stabbed him. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
The mad bastard's stabbed him! | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
-Jesus, Kieran... -I knew this would happen. -You mad bastard! | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
You stupid mad bastard! | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
-Fucking... -THEY ALL SHOUT AT ONCE | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
-..Someone's been stabbed. -THEY SHOUT OVER ONE ANOTHER | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
I don't know what I'm doing, mate. Please. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
Superbo Pizza, it's on the corner. Superbo Pizza. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
The bastard's gone off without him. Holt Road. H-O-L-T. Holt. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
They all just got off and left me to it, the pricks. Even Colin McCabe. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
Even Colin McCabe? | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
Yeah, he's a nurse. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:39 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
-Hello? MARGARET: -'It's me.' | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
-How are you? -'Fine.' | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
'What is it?' | 0:56:01 | 0:56:02 | |
I can't get the money to bury him. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
'Can I give you it?' | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
Yeah. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
How much? | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
'4,600. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
'And maybe 200 for the buffet. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
'Four-eight.' | 0:56:33 | 0:56:34 | |
I'll bring round five grand tomorrow. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
Four-eight. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
Four-eight. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:42 | |
Thanks. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:45 | |
I'm sorry for treating you so badly. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
I'm sorry for lying... | 0:56:53 | 0:56:54 | |
I just want the money, Tommy. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
Right. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:58 | |
SHE HANGS UP | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
SHE EXHALES SHAKILY | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
# One morn I left him in his bed | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
# A moment after someone said... # | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
He's here, Mum. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
# Your child is dying | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
# He is dead | 0:57:31 | 0:57:32 | |
# We made him ready for his rest | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
# Flowers in his hair and on his breast | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
# His little hands | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
# Together rest | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
# We sailed by night across the sea | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
# So floating from the world were we | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
# Apart from sympathy | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
# We three... # | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
Blessed art thou amongst women | 0:58:22 | 0:58:23 | |
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 | |
and at the hour of our death. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 | |
-ALL: -Amen. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:31 | |
Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
Blessed art thou amongst women, | 0:58:33 | 0:58:35 | |
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, | 0:58:38 | 0:58:40 | |
now and at the hour of our death. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
-ALL: -Amen. -Hail Mary, full of grace. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:44 | |
-WOMAN SNIFFLES -The Lord is with thee. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:46 | |
Blessed art thou amongst women, | 0:58:46 | 0:58:47 | |
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:49 | |
-WOMAN SOBS -Holy Mary, Mother of God, | 0:58:49 | 0:58:51 | |
pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
-ALL: -Amen. | 0:58:54 | 0:58:55 | |
Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
Blessed art thou amongst women, | 0:58:58 | 0:58:59 | |
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:02 | |
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners... | 0:59:02 | 0:59:05 | |
BOTTLE CLINKS ON GLASS | 0:59:07 | 0:59:09 | |
Not into that either? | 0:59:29 | 0:59:31 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
We've been lucky. We have a good judge. | 1:00:02 | 1:00:05 | |
I'm going to ask him to view it as a straightforward murder case - | 1:00:05 | 1:00:08 | |
one killer, one victim, not joint enterprise. | 1:00:08 | 1:00:12 | |
-And if he agrees to that? -If he agrees to that, then JohnJo's coming home with you. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:15 | |
No doubt whatsoever. | 1:00:15 | 1:00:16 | |
Kieran Gillespie, | 1:00:18 | 1:00:21 | |
you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward. | 1:00:21 | 1:00:24 | |
How do you plead? | 1:00:24 | 1:00:25 | |
Not guilty. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:27 | |
Colin McCabe, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward. | 1:00:27 | 1:00:31 | |
-How do you plead? -Not guilty. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:34 | |
Anthony Wallace, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:38 | |
-How do you plead? -Not guilty. | 1:00:38 | 1:00:41 | |
John Joseph O'Shea, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward. | 1:00:41 | 1:00:47 | |
How do you plead? | 1:00:47 | 1:00:49 | |
-Not guilty. -Be seated. | 1:00:49 | 1:00:53 | |
I'll hear submissions, we'll break and I'll respond after lunch. | 1:00:56 | 1:01:01 | |
Who will go first? Mr Barnes-Williams? | 1:01:01 | 1:01:04 | |
I represent John Joseph O'Shea and I make four main points, your honour. | 1:01:06 | 1:01:10 | |
First, four young men stand accused of murder. | 1:01:10 | 1:01:15 | |
Only one of them wielded the knife | 1:01:15 | 1:01:17 | |
and yet the prosecution will make no attempt to identify that man. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:20 | |
It need not do so because of Joint Enterprise. | 1:01:20 | 1:01:24 | |
Joint Enterprise, or Common Purpose, a law introduced in the 18th century | 1:01:24 | 1:01:30 | |
to stop the aristocracy from duelling, is now being used | 1:01:30 | 1:01:34 | |
increasingly against young people from our council estates. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:37 | |
And all too often it results in cases such as this, | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
where a young man, who is asked for a lift, gives that lift | 1:01:40 | 1:01:44 | |
and faces life in prison for it. | 1:01:44 | 1:01:47 | |
Secondly, I would submit that for a joint enterprise murder case to | 1:01:48 | 1:01:52 | |
proceed, all those involved in the enterprise must face trial. | 1:01:52 | 1:01:57 | |
But in this case, your honour, | 1:01:57 | 1:01:59 | |
one person does not, that is the pizza manager, Mr Hugo Davies. | 1:01:59 | 1:02:05 | |
Now it could be argued that his involvement | 1:02:05 | 1:02:09 | |
in all of this was vital, | 1:02:09 | 1:02:12 | |
after all it was he who alerted one young man to the fact that | 1:02:12 | 1:02:15 | |
another young man, his sworn enemy, would shortly be in the shop. | 1:02:15 | 1:02:20 | |
So why does Hugo Davies escape trial | 1:02:20 | 1:02:23 | |
when those who are far less guilty, face it? | 1:02:23 | 1:02:27 | |
Surely his absence from the dock means that only one man | 1:02:27 | 1:02:30 | |
can be held responsible for this crime and, again, it is | 1:02:30 | 1:02:33 | |
he who wielded the knife. | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
Thirdly, there was no joint enterprise to murder the victim, | 1:02:36 | 1:02:41 | |
there was no planning, there was no conspiracy. | 1:02:41 | 1:02:44 | |
At worst, Anthony Wallace went to the pizza shop to confront Albie Flanagan. | 1:02:44 | 1:02:48 | |
During the course of that confrontation, a young man, | 1:02:48 | 1:02:53 | |
Thomas Ward, an innocent bystander, was stabbed. | 1:02:53 | 1:02:56 | |
But nobody entered the shop intent on harming Thomas Ward. | 1:02:56 | 1:03:02 | |
His murder was just a moment of madness. | 1:03:02 | 1:03:06 | |
With no forethought and no plan. | 1:03:06 | 1:03:09 | |
So, again, only he who was responsible for this | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
moment of madness, he who wielded the knife, should face trial. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:16 | |
And the innocent should go free. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:18 | |
And fourthly, with specific reference to my client | 1:03:18 | 1:03:21 | |
John Joseph O'Shea. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:23 | |
He will simply say that he drove the others for a pizza | 1:03:23 | 1:03:29 | |
and there is no evidence to disprove that. | 1:03:29 | 1:03:32 | |
Furthermore, he didn't go into the shop with them so he wasn't even | 1:03:32 | 1:03:35 | |
on the scene of the crime when the crime was committed. | 1:03:35 | 1:03:37 | |
I submit it would be dangerous to proceed against him | 1:03:37 | 1:03:40 | |
on such a flimsy basis. | 1:03:40 | 1:03:43 | |
Joint enterprise might allow it, your honour. | 1:03:43 | 1:03:47 | |
Natural justice should not. | 1:03:47 | 1:03:49 | |
Thank you. Next? Mr Cotting? | 1:03:50 | 1:03:54 | |
Your honour, I represent... | 1:03:54 | 1:03:57 | |
Would you like us to sit somewhere else? | 1:04:19 | 1:04:20 | |
Yes. | 1:04:24 | 1:04:26 | |
Our son is innocent, Mrs Ward... | 1:04:36 | 1:04:38 | |
-Please, go. -We're going. | 1:04:38 | 1:04:40 | |
I just want you to know he's telling the truth, he's innocent. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:43 | |
-Innocent? -Yes. | 1:05:00 | 1:05:02 | |
-Then why didn't he phone the police immediately? -Because his head was all... | 1:05:02 | 1:05:06 | |
His head? What about mine? | 1:05:06 | 1:05:09 | |
'And on that basis alone, the case' | 1:05:19 | 1:05:22 | |
against Colin McCabe should be heard. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:26 | |
Finally, John Joseph O'Shea. | 1:05:26 | 1:05:30 | |
Your first point, Mr Barnes-Williams, | 1:05:30 | 1:05:32 | |
seems to be this - you do not like joint enterprise. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:36 | |
You are not alone. | 1:05:36 | 1:05:38 | |
However, there is little I can do about that. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:41 | |
This is not parliament. We can't amend, create or abolish any law. | 1:05:41 | 1:05:45 | |
The law of joint enterprise exists, the crown has decided to | 1:05:46 | 1:05:50 | |
prosecute according to that law so it is my duty to hear it. | 1:05:50 | 1:05:54 | |
Now your second submission carries more weight. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:58 | |
If there are five people involved in a joint enterprise, | 1:05:58 | 1:06:02 | |
all five should stand trial. | 1:06:02 | 1:06:04 | |
That is not happening here. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:06 | |
Only four of the five face charges | 1:06:06 | 1:06:09 | |
and the fifth is a witness for the prosecution. | 1:06:09 | 1:06:11 | |
Rest assured, I will ask the jury to keep that in mind | 1:06:11 | 1:06:16 | |
when weighing his evidence. | 1:06:16 | 1:06:18 | |
I know that is not perfect but it is better than nothing. | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
Justice for four is surely better than justice for none. | 1:06:22 | 1:06:26 | |
Now, you say there was never any conspiracy or plan to attack Thomas Ward. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:32 | |
That's correct. | 1:06:32 | 1:06:34 | |
But there was a plan to attack a young man named Albert Flanagan | 1:06:34 | 1:06:38 | |
and in the course of that attack, Thomas Ward died. | 1:06:38 | 1:06:42 | |
Whether he was the intended target or an innocent bystander is | 1:06:42 | 1:06:46 | |
immaterial, it is still joint enterprise murder. | 1:06:46 | 1:06:51 | |
Finally, you describe the case against your client as | 1:06:52 | 1:06:56 | |
"flimsy" in that he didn't enter the shop but sat waiting in the car. | 1:06:56 | 1:07:01 | |
But this doesn't necessarily weaken the case against him. | 1:07:01 | 1:07:06 | |
It could strengthen it. | 1:07:06 | 1:07:08 | |
The prosecution could argue that John Joseph O'Shea was | 1:07:08 | 1:07:11 | |
a getaway driver. | 1:07:11 | 1:07:14 | |
And a getaway driver does not participate in the crime, | 1:07:14 | 1:07:17 | |
he sits in the car with the engine running. | 1:07:17 | 1:07:20 | |
On balance I think it right for the jury to consider that possibility. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:24 | |
I'm confident that the case against all four defendants should proceed. | 1:07:25 | 1:07:29 | |
-You're going to have to plead guilty, Kieran. That's the least you can do. -No way. -Take the blame. | 1:07:31 | 1:07:35 | |
-You're the one who dropped us in this shit. -No way! -What, you think you can get away with it? | 1:07:35 | 1:07:39 | |
-Yeah, I do. Yeah. -You've got no chance of getting away with it, you prick. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
He's told them everything. Hugo's told them everything. | 1:07:42 | 1:07:44 | |
When we take the stand, we'll tell them everything. You've got no chance. | 1:07:44 | 1:07:47 | |
-You're gonna grass? -Of course we're going to grass. You stabbed someone, you knob! | 1:07:47 | 1:07:51 | |
You're going to have to tell them it were you. Just you. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:55 | |
Right? We knew nothing about it. We knew nothing about a knife. | 1:07:55 | 1:07:58 | |
Right? | 1:07:58 | 1:07:59 | |
And I'll go down for life. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:01 | |
You'll get life anyway cos you can't get away with it. | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
-We'll see. -No, mate. | 1:08:04 | 1:08:08 | |
You take us down with you, your life won't be worth living inside. | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
I'll get to you. And if I don't, someone else will. | 1:08:11 | 1:08:14 | |
You'll be doing life and you'll cacking it every single day. | 1:08:14 | 1:08:16 | |
They'll put you with the nonces. | 1:08:17 | 1:08:19 | |
You'll be doing life with the nonces | 1:08:19 | 1:08:21 | |
unless you tell the truth and take the blame, mate. | 1:08:21 | 1:08:24 | |
Tell the truth, Kieran. | 1:08:24 | 1:08:27 | |
Go on, you'll be a hero, then, won't you? | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
"There's Kieran Gillespie who pleaded guilty to murder | 1:08:30 | 1:08:32 | |
"so his mates could go free. | 1:08:32 | 1:08:34 | |
"He's a good lad him." | 1:08:34 | 1:08:35 | |
I told my mum I didn't do it. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:52 | |
All right. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:10 | |
OK. I'll do it, yeah. | 1:09:11 | 1:09:13 | |
I'll do it. Who do I tell? | 1:09:15 | 1:09:16 | |
-The judge? What? -No, you tell the prosecution. I'll do it. | 1:09:16 | 1:09:19 | |
I know him. | 1:09:19 | 1:09:20 | |
-No can do, I'm afraid. -No? -The judge will say, "Mr Gillespie's getting life anyway. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:43 | |
"He's got nothing to lose, so of course he's going try to | 1:09:43 | 1:09:46 | |
"get his mates off by taking all the blame." | 1:09:46 | 1:09:48 | |
-So what will you accept? -Mr Gillespie pleads guilty to murder, | 1:09:48 | 1:09:53 | |
the other three to GBH or conspiracy to commit GBH. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
What'll that get us? | 1:09:56 | 1:09:58 | |
Ten years. | 1:09:58 | 1:09:59 | |
Nowhere near ten years. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:03 | |
The tariff starts there but the judge will | 1:10:03 | 1:10:05 | |
knock off time for a guilty plea, time off for no previous. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:08 | |
At worst, at the very worst, six years. | 1:10:08 | 1:10:13 | |
We've done nothing! | 1:10:15 | 1:10:18 | |
I've done nothing. | 1:10:18 | 1:10:19 | |
He's done nothing and he's done even less! | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
I'm sorry but you either take what's on offer or you all | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
stand trial for joint enterprise murder. | 1:10:25 | 1:10:28 | |
Could I stand trial on my own? | 1:10:31 | 1:10:33 | |
Afraid not. | 1:10:35 | 1:10:36 | |
-Take six years or risk life? -Yeah. | 1:10:38 | 1:10:39 | |
-Well? -What? -What does he do? | 1:10:44 | 1:10:47 | |
-I dunno. -What do you think he should do? | 1:10:47 | 1:10:51 | |
I don't know! | 1:10:51 | 1:10:54 | |
-You're not getting away with it. -What? -You know what. | 1:10:54 | 1:10:57 | |
-You've never made a decision in your entire life... -You've never let me! -You have to make one now! | 1:10:57 | 1:11:02 | |
What do you think he should do? | 1:11:02 | 1:11:03 | |
-I told you, I dunno! -You do, but you won't say. You want us to choose. | 1:11:03 | 1:11:08 | |
We choose wrong, he gets life, you blame us. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:11 | |
We take the six years, you blame us for that as well, well no, you're not on. | 1:11:11 | 1:11:14 | |
You tell us what you think he should do. | 1:11:14 | 1:11:16 | |
-Take the six years. -Take the six years? | 1:11:26 | 1:11:28 | |
-Could you do six years? -Couldn't do a week in Butlins. | 1:11:30 | 1:11:33 | |
I could do six years. | 1:11:33 | 1:11:34 | |
-It's not just six years though, is it? You'd be saying you played a part in that boy's death. -I didn't. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:40 | |
I know. | 1:11:40 | 1:11:42 | |
BELL RINGS | 1:11:42 | 1:11:43 | |
I'm pleading guilty to nothing, Mum. They can do what they want. | 1:11:49 | 1:11:53 | |
PHONE RINGS | 1:12:05 | 1:12:08 | |
RECORDING: "Hi, we're not at home. Please leave a message." | 1:12:08 | 1:12:11 | |
'Hi, it's Shelagh, again. | 1:12:12 | 1:12:13 | |
'I know you're there, will you just pick up? | 1:12:15 | 1:12:17 | |
'If you don't pick up, I'm coming round. | 1:12:20 | 1:12:22 | |
'I'm coming round.' | 1:12:26 | 1:12:27 | |
There's Shelagh. | 1:12:34 | 1:12:36 | |
KNOCKING | 1:12:39 | 1:12:41 | |
You're wasting your time! I am not letting my son plead guilty to something he didn't do! | 1:12:44 | 1:12:48 | |
-You'd sooner him stand trial for murder? -Yes! | 1:12:48 | 1:12:50 | |
-You think he'll get off with it, don't you? -There's nothing to get off with! He's innocent! | 1:12:50 | 1:12:54 | |
I'll rephrase that. You think a jury will acquit him, right? | 1:12:54 | 1:12:57 | |
He stayed in the car, wasn't even near the scene of the crime. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:00 | |
-So therefore can't possibly be guilty, right? -Right. -Wrong! | 1:13:00 | 1:13:04 | |
There's people less guilty than Johnjo doing life. | 1:13:05 | 1:13:08 | |
Do you know what this law's about, this Joint Enterprise Law? | 1:13:08 | 1:13:12 | |
It's not about innocent or guilty, | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
it's about getting working class scum off the streets. | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
That's how they see our kids - scum, scallies. Your son, my son... | 1:13:18 | 1:13:21 | |
-I'm shutting this door. -Gillespie and McCabe, they'll all get life... | 1:13:21 | 1:13:24 | |
-I'm shutting this door. -You're not. You're going to hear me out. | 1:13:24 | 1:13:27 | |
Put it into your laptop. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:29 | |
Joint Enterprise and see what you get. Loads and... | 1:13:29 | 1:13:31 | |
Get your hands off my door! | 1:13:31 | 1:13:33 | |
..loads of innocent kids, twice as innocent as... | 1:13:33 | 1:13:35 | |
-Get your hands off my door! -..Johnjo and they're all doing life. | 1:13:35 | 1:13:38 | |
-COLIN: -All I did was watch my mate's back. That's all I did. | 1:14:05 | 1:14:09 | |
And it's bad enough getting six years for that, | 1:14:09 | 1:14:11 | |
so I'm fucked if I'm going to get life, Johnjo. | 1:14:11 | 1:14:13 | |
You'll be well looked after. | 1:14:13 | 1:14:16 | |
THEY SHOUT OVER EACH OTHER | 1:14:16 | 1:14:17 | |
Johnjo, are you fucking listening? | 1:14:17 | 1:14:19 | |
I know you've got to do a year on your own at the young offenders'. | 1:14:19 | 1:14:22 | |
You can't be with us because of your age. But after that, I promise you, | 1:14:22 | 1:14:26 | |
you'll be with us. | 1:14:26 | 1:14:27 | |
Every fucking prison I go in I'm gonna tell them about you, you cunt! | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
Take the six, Johnjo. | 1:14:31 | 1:14:32 | |
You dirty, shithead, stinking arsed grass. | 1:14:32 | 1:14:35 | |
Eyes in the back of your head, that's what you're going to need. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
Plead guilty to GBH, Johnjo... | 1:14:38 | 1:14:40 | |
You know what we do to a grass' family? | 1:14:40 | 1:14:42 | |
-Tell them you'll take the GBH! -We torch the bastards! | 1:14:42 | 1:14:45 | |
-Tell them you'll take the GBH. Johnjo. -You're dead! | 1:14:45 | 1:14:48 | |
Johnjo! Tell them you'll take the fucking GBH. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:52 | |
They're all going to fucking burn. | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
I know you can hear me! Listen to me, mate. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:56 | |
-Take the GBH. -I'm going to fucking... -Johnjo! | 1:14:56 | 1:14:59 | |
He's a haemophiliac. | 1:15:21 | 1:15:22 | |
We've mollycoddled him, wrapped him in cotton wool all his life. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:25 | |
You think he'll survive six years in prison? | 1:15:25 | 1:15:27 | |
-It won't be six years. -He'll get picked on, bullied, you know he will. | 1:15:27 | 1:15:30 | |
Six years for my son is not the same as six years for the others. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:33 | |
Six years for my son might as well be life | 1:15:33 | 1:15:35 | |
so we're pleading not guilty. | 1:15:35 | 1:15:36 | |
Well, in that case I can no longer represent him. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:39 | |
What?! | 1:15:41 | 1:15:42 | |
Why isn't the pizza manager standing trial with them? | 1:15:46 | 1:15:50 | |
Because they needed his statement. The price they paid was his freedom. | 1:15:50 | 1:15:54 | |
They needed Johnjo's statement. | 1:15:54 | 1:15:55 | |
Yes. But he gave his away for nothing. | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
Oh, he was honest, you mean. A big mistake, being honest. | 1:15:58 | 1:16:02 | |
-Yes. -It's nothing to do with Johnjo, this. | 1:16:02 | 1:16:06 | |
You don't want to lose. You don't want to be seen to lose. | 1:16:06 | 1:16:09 | |
Mrs O'Shea, I care only for Johnjo. If we fight and lose, he gets life. | 1:16:09 | 1:16:15 | |
If we plead guilty, | 1:16:16 | 1:16:18 | |
the worst scenario is five years and four months. | 1:16:18 | 1:16:21 | |
Not six years, five years and four months. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:24 | |
The best scenario - he comes home with you today. | 1:16:26 | 1:16:30 | |
Kieran Gillespie, you are charged with the murder | 1:16:30 | 1:16:34 | |
of Thomas James Ward. How do you plead? | 1:16:34 | 1:16:36 | |
Guilty. | 1:16:39 | 1:16:41 | |
Colin McCabe, you are charged with conspiracy to commit | 1:16:44 | 1:16:49 | |
grievous bodily harm. How do you plead? | 1:16:49 | 1:16:52 | |
Guilty. | 1:16:54 | 1:16:55 | |
Anthony Wallace, you are charged with conspiracy to | 1:16:55 | 1:17:00 | |
commit grievous bodily harm. How do you plead? | 1:17:00 | 1:17:03 | |
Guilty. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:04 | |
John Joseph O'Shea, | 1:17:06 | 1:17:08 | |
you are charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm. | 1:17:08 | 1:17:12 | |
How do you plead? | 1:17:12 | 1:17:14 | |
How do you plead? | 1:17:31 | 1:17:32 | |
Guilty. | 1:17:37 | 1:17:38 | |
You may be seated. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:42 | |
# Pay it I will to the end | 1:17:56 | 1:17:59 | |
# Until the grave, my friend | 1:18:01 | 1:18:05 | |
# Gives me a true release | 1:18:06 | 1:18:10 | |
# Gives me the clasp of peace... # | 1:18:11 | 1:18:15 | |
'Kieran Gillespie, I take 25 years as a starting point.' | 1:18:21 | 1:18:27 | |
I add two for the planned nature of the attack, | 1:18:27 | 1:18:30 | |
two for the fact that it was a group attack | 1:18:30 | 1:18:32 | |
and two years for the vulnerability of the victim. | 1:18:32 | 1:18:35 | |
I deduct three years for the absence of an intention to kill, | 1:18:37 | 1:18:42 | |
two years for your plea of guilty | 1:18:42 | 1:18:44 | |
and two years for the lack of parental guidance. | 1:18:44 | 1:18:48 | |
Kieran Gillespie, you are to be detained at her Majesty's pleasure | 1:18:48 | 1:18:53 | |
for a minimum term of 24 years... | 1:18:53 | 1:18:56 | |
COMMOTION | 1:18:56 | 1:18:58 | |
Colin McCabe and Anthony Wallace, | 1:18:58 | 1:19:00 | |
in each of your cases I start at ten years. | 1:19:00 | 1:19:04 | |
I will deduct one year for your previous good characters | 1:19:04 | 1:19:07 | |
and allow the full one-third discount for your guilty pleas. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:12 | |
Colin McCabe and Anthony Wallace, | 1:19:12 | 1:19:14 | |
you will each go to prison for six years. | 1:19:14 | 1:19:17 | |
John Joseph O'Shea, | 1:19:19 | 1:19:22 | |
you were 17 at the time of the offences | 1:19:22 | 1:19:25 | |
and I therefore start at eight years. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:27 | |
I will deduct a full one-third for your guilty plea | 1:19:27 | 1:19:31 | |
and I sentence you, under the Power of the Criminal Court Act, | 1:19:31 | 1:19:35 | |
to five years and four months' detention. | 1:19:35 | 1:19:39 | |
Take them down, please. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:43 | |
(Thank you so much.) | 1:20:18 | 1:20:20 | |
BELL RINGS | 1:20:35 | 1:20:38 | |
You all right? | 1:20:50 | 1:20:52 | |
Good to see you. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:00 | |
-How are you? -Great. | 1:21:03 | 1:21:05 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah. Honest. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:08 | |
Nothing to worry about in here, they're a great bunch of lads. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:11 | |
They leaving you alone? | 1:21:11 | 1:21:12 | |
Yeah! | 1:21:12 | 1:21:14 | |
They know I'm haemophiliac, they know if they touch me, then they can kill me. | 1:21:14 | 1:21:18 | |
It's like walking around with a suit of armour on or something! | 1:21:18 | 1:21:21 | |
Mum, I'm fine. Honestly. | 1:21:24 | 1:21:27 | |
Right? I'm fine. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
It's just a bit boring, that's all. | 1:21:33 | 1:21:35 | |
Did you see the lawyer? | 1:21:43 | 1:21:44 | |
-Yeah. -And? | 1:21:49 | 1:21:51 | |
There's nothing he can do, Johnjo. | 1:21:59 | 1:22:01 | |
-He said he was going to do all sorts. -I know. | 1:22:04 | 1:22:06 | |
"Joint enterprise is wrong, joint enterprise needs changing, | 1:22:08 | 1:22:12 | |
"joint enterprise this, joint enterprise that." | 1:22:12 | 1:22:14 | |
You're not joint enterprise, son. | 1:22:14 | 1:22:16 | |
What? | 1:22:19 | 1:22:20 | |
You pleaded guilty to something else. | 1:22:21 | 1:22:23 | |
It wasn't even a trial. | 1:22:24 | 1:22:25 | |
I only pleaded guilty because I was scared of joint enterprise. | 1:22:31 | 1:22:35 | |
I know. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:36 | |
There's nothing we can do about it now. | 1:22:40 | 1:22:42 | |
Oh, well! | 1:23:00 | 1:23:01 | |
-Your neighbour said you'd been to see him. -Yeah. | 1:23:56 | 1:24:00 | |
How is he? | 1:24:06 | 1:24:07 | |
Fine. | 1:24:10 | 1:24:11 | |
Coping? | 1:24:15 | 1:24:16 | |
I don't think so. | 1:24:20 | 1:24:21 | |
He pretends he is but I don't think he is. | 1:24:24 | 1:24:28 | |
And you? | 1:24:30 | 1:24:31 | |
Actually, Mrs Ward, I'm really proud of him. | 1:24:35 | 1:24:39 | |
I always thought he'd make me proud by getting a degree or something | 1:24:42 | 1:24:47 | |
but he's doing five and a half years and he's got haemophilia | 1:24:47 | 1:24:52 | |
and all he cares about is not upsetting me | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
and I think that is so... | 1:24:54 | 1:24:56 | |
I think that is so fucking brave. | 1:24:59 | 1:25:02 | |
I'm sorry. | 1:25:03 | 1:25:05 | |
It's OK. | 1:25:06 | 1:25:08 | |
I know you'd love your son to be doing five and a half years but... | 1:25:11 | 1:25:14 | |
Could you tell him I got his letter? | 1:25:18 | 1:25:22 | |
His letter? | 1:25:23 | 1:25:25 | |
He wrote to me. | 1:25:26 | 1:25:28 | |
You didn't know? | 1:25:30 | 1:25:31 | |
Would you like to see it? | 1:25:38 | 1:25:39 | |
Yes. | 1:25:41 | 1:25:42 | |
"Dear Mrs Ward, I'm writing this after getting sentenced | 1:25:58 | 1:26:02 | |
"because I don't want you to think I'm only writing so the judge will go easy on me. | 1:26:02 | 1:26:06 | |
"I thought we were going for a pizza, Mrs Ward, honest. | 1:26:09 | 1:26:12 | |
"But I've realised that doesn't make me innocent. | 1:26:12 | 1:26:15 | |
"See, if I hadn't had been born, | 1:26:17 | 1:26:19 | |
"I wouldn't have been able to drive them, and your Thomas would still be alive. | 1:26:19 | 1:26:24 | |
"So that's kind of a guilt. | 1:26:24 | 1:26:26 | |
"It's not really a guilty guilt, it's more of an innocent guilt | 1:26:26 | 1:26:30 | |
"but it's a guilt just the same | 1:26:30 | 1:26:31 | |
"and it's easier to do five and a half years thinking like that | 1:26:31 | 1:26:35 | |
"than five and a half years thinking I'm innocent. | 1:26:35 | 1:26:37 | |
"I'm really sorry, Mrs Ward. | 1:26:40 | 1:26:43 | |
"I'm really, really sorry." | 1:26:43 | 1:26:45 | |
Do you believe him? | 1:26:57 | 1:26:59 | |
Yes. | 1:27:05 | 1:27:06 | |
# This is the debt I pay | 1:27:32 | 1:27:35 | |
# Just for one riotous day | 1:27:37 | 1:27:41 | |
# Years of regret and grief | 1:27:42 | 1:27:46 | |
# Sorrow without relief | 1:27:47 | 1:27:52 | |
# Slight was the thing I bought | 1:28:02 | 1:28:06 | |
# Small was the debt I thought | 1:28:07 | 1:28:11 | |
# Poor was the loan at best | 1:28:12 | 1:28:16 | |
# God! But the interest! | 1:28:18 | 1:28:21 | |
My son Jordan is serving a 12 year minimum life sentence | 1:28:38 | 1:28:41 | |
for joint enterprise murder. | 1:28:41 | 1:28:44 | |
My sister Laura was given 13 years 6 month sentence | 1:28:44 | 1:28:46 | |
for joint enterprise murder. | 1:28:48 | 1:28:50 | |
My brother Michael Hall was given 13 years 6 months | 1:28:52 | 1:28:55 | |
for joint enterprise murder. | 1:28:55 | 1:28:57 | |
He was 15. | 1:28:59 | 1:29:00 |