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-Congratulations. He's been charged. -Have you not heard? Another body's turned up. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
I bet he'd love to see you. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
-I wondered about writing to him. -You should. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
A couple of weeks ago, that new Miss Wealand. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Asking Ryan questions about his dad. Have you met her? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
It's her. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
I've done things. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
Is it to do with those women? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
You'll visit me, won't you? In prison. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
I don't think you'd like prison. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
This programme contains some strong language | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting from the start. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Ah. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
Long story sideways. Our Ryan has been coming home from school | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
talking about Tommy Lee Royce as this poor misunderstood fella | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
that we all need to forgive. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Someone in this school is putting ideas into his head. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Someone left a birthday present, an expensive birthday present, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
on our doorstep with a card "from Dad". | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Now, he is starting to think of that evil, twisted, murdering bastard | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
as his father because some deluded tw... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Someone in this school is filling his head | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
with deeply inappropriate ideas. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Do you recognise that person? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
-No. -It's a woman, it ain't a lad. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Our Clare thinks it looks like Miss Wealand, your new TA. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
That's someone in the toyshop in Hebden buying exactly the same toy | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
that was left on our doorstep two weeks ago "from Dad". | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
Now, obviously she could have been buying it | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
for some completely other reason. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
But it's a bit of a coincidence, isn't it? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
Has Ryan said that it's her that's been talking about his dad? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
No. It's delicate. I can't talk to him about it. He gets angry with me. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
Look, this is how insidious it is. I'm the baddie. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Look. I'm not saying you're wrong, Catherine. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
But Miss Wealand is a very kind, caring, lovely woman, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
she came to us with an excellent CV. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
I'm sure she is, I'm sure that's how she operates. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Her and every other deluded nutcase that's ever groomed a kiddie. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
-Groomed? -Well, it's what it is. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
If every time they have a one-to-one reading session, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
she's encouraging him to think about his "dad" in some misguided, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
-sentimental way... -Hang on, look, we don't know that | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
that is what's happening. Why would anybody do that? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Cos people are weird. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
People are mad, and they don't always have it | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
tattooed across their forehead. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
The staff in this school are fully aware of the situation with Ryan. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
Does she work part time? | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
Yes, Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
-What does she do on her days off? -I've... I don't know. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
-Where does she live? -Catherine. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
-Does she talk about her private life? -Not to me. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
You see, when that present appeared on our doorstep and I saw that | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
card, my first thought is... | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
"This is someone who visits him in prison." | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
I can't believe she visits anyone in prison. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
This is someone he's manipulated and... | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
Let me introduce you to her. Come and meet her, please, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
come and see for yourself. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
Honestly, Catherine, I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
No, cos we'll know soon enough if it's her, because the DIU are | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
investigating everybody he has any contact with. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
In the meantime, if you could find someone else to read with him, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
I'd be very grateful, because every second - if it is her, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and maybe it isn't, but if it is her - | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
every second he spends with her, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
she is encouraging him to think about this man as his father. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
This psychopath, this man who's done nothing but destroy people's lives. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
This man who threw petrol over him 18 months ago. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Someone here, for whatever reason, is encouraging him to think that | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
he is basically an OK guy and that I am some nasty, angry bitch | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
for doing my damnedest to try and protect him from him. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
OK. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
I can't talk to her, I can't get involved, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
I need to let the DIU deal with it, but I need you to be aware. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Right. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
# There's a tower block overhead | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
# All you've got's your benefits and you're barely scraping by | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
# In this trouble town Troubles I've found | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
# Stuck in speed bump city Where the only thing that's pretty | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
# Is the thought of getting out. # | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
-You all right? -Yeah. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
-You seem a bit preoccupied. -I'm fine. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
-You do know we're not going to get a cup of tea, don't you? -Yeah, well... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
I just want to make it clear | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
to Alison that I am still dealing with them scrotes, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
despite Daryl's sophisticated, delicate efforts to take | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
the law into his own hands. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
Sarge. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
Was it like that when you arrested him? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
I don't know. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
I can't remember. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
I've an idea it was parked the other way round. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Hello? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
Alison? | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Daryl? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
Hello? | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
LOW GROAN | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
Alison? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:10 | |
Alison, can you hear me? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Alison, it's Catherine Cawood. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Sergeant Cawood. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
Alison, listen, love, listen to me, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
I want you to squeeze my hand if you can hear me. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Check upstairs. See if there's anyone else, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
anyone injured. And be careful. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Bravo November 4-5. Urgent assistance required. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Far Sunderland Farm, up Wainstalls, off Cold Edge Road. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
I need an ambulance, there's a 40-something woman, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
Alison Garrs, suspected overdose. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
Diazepam, not sure how many, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
she seems to have washed them down with vodka and whisky. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Her pulse is weak, but she's conscious and breathing. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Alison? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
Alison. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
There's also a male. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
I'm fairly certain it's her son, Daryl Garrs. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Fatal gunshot injury to the back of the head. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Possible weapon at the scene. I need F-Sup here to prove. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
I need the on-call DI, I need the duty SIO, I need a CSI, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
I need any available troops to come and secure the scene. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
God knows what's happened... | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
..but it's carnage. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
'I've got all that for the log, Sarge. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
'Is there anything else?' | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
I'll keep you posted. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Alison? Who's done this, Alison? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
Who's done this to Daryl, Alison? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
-No... -Alison? Can you hear me? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
You put your arm round me, come on. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
-Upstairs is clear! -Let's get her out of this. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
-I thought you weren't supposed to move people. -Just...! | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
-Where shall I get hold of her? -Man up, princess, use your initiative! | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
'Ambulance on its way to you now, 4-5, from Keighley. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
'ETA 16 minutes.' | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Keighley?! | 0:08:02 | 0:08:03 | |
'They're all tied up in Halifax.' | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Get your mobile out, dial 999. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Alison! I need a paramedic talking to me, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
I need to know what the latest is with an overdose. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Hello, there, it's Constable Shafiq Shah here, collar number 9242, I've got a lady here, she's taken... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
-Diazepam, whisky, vodka. -..diazepam, whisky, vodka. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
We need advice, ambulance is going to be 16 minutes. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
-Come on, don't fall asleep on me, I need you awake. -Conscious, but struggling to stay with us. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Alison, listen. Alison, who shot Daryl? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Who did that to Daryl? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
I don't know. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:38 | |
Who was here? Did you see what happened, Alison? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Who was here? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
Nobody. Nobody was here. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Right, you need to induce her to vomit - yeah, then what? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Then you... Then clear the airway | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
and put her in the recovery position. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
OK... Tell you what, you go back inside | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
and get some water, and a blanket. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
And try not to-to tread on anything...like the floor, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
any more than you have to. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
'The request's gone in to F-Sup, 4-5. CID've been informed and they're on the way. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
'I've also put the request in for a CSI. Is there anything else I can help you with?' | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
What's the best way to make someone sick? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
-'Stick your fingers down their throat?' -Oh, yeah, and get my hand bitten off? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
OK, Alison. Listen to me. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
I need you to be sick. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
No, no, no, no. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
No. Alison. I know it's not pleasant. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
I just...want to...lie down. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
You can lie down, but I just need you to be sick first. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
No. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
Can you stick your fingers down your throat for me? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
No. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:46 | |
I can't let you go to sleep until you've been sick, Alison. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
You're not lying down until you've been sick. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Alison. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
-Sh. It's fine. -No, stay awake, Alison! | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Right. Who shot Daryl? Alison. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
Alison? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
Alison. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
I shot Daryl. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
You? You shot...? You? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
You shot Daryl? You... You shot... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Why, Alison, why would you do... Why would you do that? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
SHE VOMITS | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
RADIO BEEPS | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
Bravo November 4-5. Could you contact Mr Shepherd or DI Shackleton | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
at Norland Road and tell them | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
there's a vehicle here that could be involved in Operation Syracuse? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
A Peugeot 205. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
It's red. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
It's damaged. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
'Will do, 4-5.' | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Alison, did you really? | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Alison. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
ALISON MURMURS | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
I'm going to have to caution you. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
OK. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
I'm arresting you. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
Do you understand? I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
You don't have to say anything. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
But it may harm your defence | 0:12:02 | 0:12:03 | |
if you do not mention when questioned... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
something you later rely on in court. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Anything you do say may be given in evidence. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I don't feel so good. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
Steve. Can I borrow you for a bit? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
What's...? Has there been a development? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
A woman, up Wainstalls, has just shot her own son | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
in the back of the head. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:55 | |
By accident? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
No. She's taken an overdose, pissed out of her skull. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
And apparently, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
the reason she did it - she's just told Catherine Cawood - | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
is because the son told her about "what he did to those women". | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Is he dead? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
Well dead, by the sound of things. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
Jesus. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
I know. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
I need everyone in the briefing room. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
Apparently, he also said he "didn't do that Vicky Fleming one". | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
Can I get everyone in the briefing room now, folks, please? Thank you. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
And he told his mother he wouldn't have had to do that last one | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
if people hadn't "kept thinking that he'd done that Vicky Fleming one". | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
We need to reassess everything we've got on Vicky Fleming. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
We need to find this mysterious boyfriend one of her colleagues at work mentioned. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
The one we thought Vicky must have been making up. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
SHE CRIES | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
How's it going up there? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Like Piccadilly Circus when I left. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
More detectives than primetime TV. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
I think they'll be there a while. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
Are you OK? | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
She shot her own child in the back of the head. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Are you still seeing that therapist? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
Yes! | 0:15:02 | 0:15:03 | |
Yeah. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:08 | |
I've got some intel for you. Tommy Lee Royce's Scottish visitor | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
is a woman called Frances Drummond. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
45 years old, she's a pharmacist from Linlithgow. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Well, she was until very recently. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
They've sent a photo. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
And I'm wondering if it's that woman in that CCTV from the toyshop. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
So, if that's Frances Drummond... who's "Miss Wealand", then? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Well... | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
she's invented Miss Wealand, hasn't she? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
Mrs Beresford told me this morning, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
"She came to us with an excellent CV." | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
Mrs Beresford isn't somebody who won't check out references. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
Shit. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
Shit. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Hello? | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
You're not going to believe this, it's mental. She's mental. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
Who's mental? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Well, not Miss Wealand, because Miss Wealand, Cecily Wealand - | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
a qualified teaching assistant from Linlithgow - is dead. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
'What?' | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Dead, and had her identity stolen. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
So who's... | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
She is called Frances Drummond. Also from Linlithgow. A pharmacist. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
God knows, don't ask. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
And she...visits Tommy Lee Royce in Gravesend | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and now lives in Hebden, as Cecily Wealand. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Shit! | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
-'Oh, shit.' -I know. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:33 | |
No. I mean, do you want me to get round to t'school? | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
No. No, no, no, I'm just waiting for some intel from East Lothian. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
They're talking to Cecily Wealand's partner. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
Well, widower. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
I need a copy of the death certificate, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
and then CID'll go in to arrest her for fraud. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
Wow. Fraud? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
'Yeah. Fraud by false representation.' | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
We'll deal with whatever the hell she thinks she's been | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
doing regarding our Ryan after we've dealt with that. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
Hang on, she's, she's, she's... | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
'She's targeted him.' | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
It's properly creepy, she's obtained a job she's not qualified for, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
'she's stolen a dead woman's identity' | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
specifically because this woman | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
had the right kind of qualifications to allow her to get | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
close to Ryan so she could fill his head with pap about Tommy Lee Royce. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
Who she, Frances Drummond, visits in Gravesend. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
Phone, I've gotta go, bye, bye-bye. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
CALL DISCONNECTS | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
So... Cecily Wealand was Frances Drummond's sister. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
48 years old, she had a stroke nine months ago. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Her partner... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
Her husband... thinks when she died, Cecily... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
He was in pieces, and Frances helped with a lot of practical stuff, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
and he thinks that's when she might have got her hands on various | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
bits of personal documentation. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Right - let's send 'em in to make the arrest. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
Have you got a number for this Mrs Beresford? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
I'll ring her and warn her they're coming. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
Then I'll get on to the prison liaison officer. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
They need to let Gravesend know he's been grooming this woman. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Sad, isn't it? No criminal record. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
She's held down a perfectly respectable job | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
for upward of 15 years. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
And then... | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
..she does this mad thing. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
And for what? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
45 minutes once a fortnight with a psychopath. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-'Hello.' -Yes! Hello. It's Mike Taylor. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
I've got POLSA team pulling the place apart. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
There's all sorts of stuff in his bedroom | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
and chances are there'll be stuff he's hidden as well. I think... | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Dare I say it, I'll be surprised if this isn't him. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
Have you had time to think through a media strategy? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Yeah, the minute we're in a position to break the news... | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
-Did you fast-track that DNA swab they took last week? -I did, yeah. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
'Good. Yeah, the minute we're in a position to break the news, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
'I want images of Vicky Fleming out there big time. On every news channel. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
'I want the date that flat was burnt out' | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
seared into people's brains. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
I want people thinking back to that night, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
-what they were doing that night. -HORN TOOTS | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
We just didn't get that message out there big enough last time, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
somebody must have seen her. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
Somebody must have seen or heard something. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Yeah. Yep. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
Because if they didn't... God knows. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
You know - whoever burnt that flat out knew exactly what | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
they were doing as regards destroying evidence. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
'And whoever mutilated her body knew what this lad was doing to these other women.' | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
I'm looking at who's here... all doing their jobs. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
And I'm thinking about everybody there, everybody on the team, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
'my team, in the office. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
'Might not be a man! Which one of 'em would do that?' | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
Which one of 'em would be capable of it? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Well, there are other explanations. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Yes, but... Address the question. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
Well, your first instinct is nobody. Nobody's capable of that. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
But then the truth is...anybody's capable of anything. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
In the right circumstances. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
So, who, then? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
Oh... I've gone all creepy now! | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
You're making me feel like maybe I've done it. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
I know. It's that mad, isn't it? So come on. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
'Who? Why would I do it?' | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
-You? -'Let's start with me.' | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Under what circumstances might I end up doing that? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
'I haven't, by the way. Although I would say that.' | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Right, well. You'd do it... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
if you wanted to get rid of somebody and disguise it. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Somebody...who'd upset you, obviously. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
I mean... | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
The way she was strangled, it was... | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Not like it was an accident, was it? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Vicky Fleming had John Wadsworth's number on her mobile phone. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
'He accounted for it. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
'He did an investigation at the building society three years ago | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
'when he was on the economic crime unit, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
'and it isn't even like the number was ever used.' | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Well, there you go, that's a perfectly reasonable... | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
'But people use secret shagging phones, don't they? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
'That they could destroy. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
'In a fire.' | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
And the thing is, his marriage has been a bit shit lately. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Oh, well, better arrest him, then, eh, boss(!) | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
'I know.' | 0:21:27 | 0:21:28 | |
I've known the man 23 years, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
you feel like washing your mouth out, don't you? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
After you. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
These gentlemen need to talk to you. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
This is...Miss Wealand. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Frances Elizabeth Drummond. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Sorry? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
I'm arresting you on suspicion of fraud by false representation, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
contrary to section two of the Fraud Act 2006. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
You do not have to say anything. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
But it may harm your defence if you do not mention | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
when questioned something you later rely on in court. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Anything you do say may be given in evidence. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
Do you have a mobile phone? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
Ryan Cawood needs to talk about his father. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
He needs someone who will listen to him. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
You've been here under false pretences. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Think about Ryan. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
I have to explain that to the parents and to the governors and to the children. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Think about Ryan. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
They liked you. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
Have you a mobile phone? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
In my handbag. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
And a coat? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
-Staffroom. -Do you want me to...? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
Would you mind? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
So what'll happen? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
They'll charge her, then they'll bail her. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
And then what? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
And then... | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
..somebody might need to pop round to her house | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
on Upper Brunswick Street and have a quiet word with her | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
about taking the high road back to Linlithgow. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
And will that be you? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Well, you know me, I wouldn't want her to break her bail conditions. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
She won't be allowed within 500 yards of Ryan | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
and/or members of his family, so... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Eh, you'll not credit. I looked in on Winnie. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
She's only gone and got Ilinka a job. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
-How? -Cleaning at White Lion. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
How? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Gordon popped round. Four doors down. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
And he knows Tanya - I think it's her uncle - and she's manager. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
So, Ilinka went round there with him and Bob's your uncle. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
I said, "Can you get me a job, Winnie?" | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
So, what, is she stopping? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
I know, that's what I said. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:51 | |
And Winnie goes, "Well, we've got the alarm now, haven't we? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
"And I have asked Catherine... | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
"to not bother sleeping in that conservatory any more." | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
Are you all right? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
Just an odd day. Wi' that there this morning. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Shot her own kid's head off. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
Your own kid. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
What does it take to do that, eh? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
I mean, obviously, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
it takes finding out you've given birth to a serial nutter. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
But then, after she'd explained that, she goes, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
"Only he didn't do that fourth one, that Vicky Fleming. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
"He wanted people to know that wasn't him." Like... | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
"Oh, that's all right, then. As long as he didn't do that one." | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
God alone knows what she's been through. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
So who did? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:48 | |
Well, that's the 64 million question now, isn't it? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
I'll start cooking some tea. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
SHE KNOCKS | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
-Oh... -Frances, I'm not here as a police officer, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
I'm here as Ryan's grandmother. I want to sort this out. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
I want to understand you and I want you to understand me. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
I know you've never had a criminal record. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
I know you've held down a very responsible, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
perfectly respectable job for the last 15 years. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
I want to understand why you've done what you've done, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
I want to know what you want. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
And I want you to know things about me. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
-Can I come in? -No... | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Or we can go down the road and get a cup of tea somewhere | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
if...if you'd prefer. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
Your people came here. They took things. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
You've had a long day. Probably quite an unpleasant one. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
I won't take up any more of your time than I need to. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
-OK. -What I think, you see, is that you're not a bad person. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Far from it. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
And you believe what you've done, you've done for the best. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Ryan should have a relationship with his father. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
However difficult things are. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:09 | |
Look, I realise everything you know about... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
this, us, you've been told by...him. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Tommy Lee Royce. And... | 0:27:17 | 0:27:18 | |
Do you mind if I sit down? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
And I realise that you are in... a relationship of some sort | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
with him. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
We're getting married. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
OK, look. I know you're probably not going to accept | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
a lot of the things I tell you right now. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
But obviously, I have a very different perspective on it all, to him, and I want you to hear it. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
Whether you accept it or not. OK? | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
He's a sex offender. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
He raped my daughter. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:50 | |
He was very fond of your daughter. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
No. No. He took advantage of her. Brutally. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Brutally. And after Ryan was born, she took her own life. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
That was nothing to do with him. He was in prison by then. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
It had everything to do with him. She was traumatised. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
We are going to have different versions of the same story, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
but please credit me... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
I was there when she gave birth. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
And after. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
And I know what she went through. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
You deprived him of having a relationship with his child. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
You never even let him know he'd been born. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Tommy Lee Royce is a psychopath. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
He's a murderer and he's a sex offender. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
And you must know, you must realise that. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
I think you have allowed yourself to be deluded by this dangerous man | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
because you're infatuated with him. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
You might not want to believe that he raped my daughter, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
but you do know - you DO know - that he raped Ann Gallagher, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
and that he murdered Kirsten McAskill | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
in the most HIDEOUS manner - and Lewis Whippey, and Brett McKendrick. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:56 | |
And he tried to murder me. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
Lewis Whippey was the one who raped Ann Gallagher. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
And he was the one who murdered Kirsten McAskill. Not Tommy. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
That's not what the court decided on very solid forensic evidence. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Tommy did kill Lewis Whippey and Brett McKendrick | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
but only in self-defence. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
He attacked YOU only in self-defence. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
OK. So obviously that's his version, and clearly that's what you're choosing to believe right now. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
Which worries me, Frances, because it makes you - | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
a woman who all your life | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
appears to have been law-abiding, logical, kind, normal - | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
it makes you seem a little bit... unhinged. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
And certainly misguided | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
if that's what you're prepared to believe. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Do you want to know what I believe? | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
I believe that no-one is born evil. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
He may have done things, I know he's done things, and, yes, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
he will inevitably have put his own slant on it all | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
and made it seem not as bad as it might really have been. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
But we all do that, we're all human. But he isn't evil. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
He's a product of his childhood, and he had an awful childhood. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
But he isn't intrinsically evil. We condemn the sin, not the sinner. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:02 | |
With help and kindness, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:03 | |
I believe he will become the person he was always capable of being. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
Good and kind and gentle and thoughtful. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
That's what I see | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
when I visit him. When I look into his eyes. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
I see no evil. Not a trace of it. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
Surely it would benefit him | 0:30:20 | 0:30:21 | |
and Ryan if they could have a good relationship. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Frances, you're old enough to be his mother. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
I think you are actually older than his mother was when she died. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
Does that not... ring alarm bells? | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
-Does it not worry you? -Why should it? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
He's using you. He's used you to get close to Ryan. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
He's groomed you. You've been groomed. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
You've been picked, you've been chosen, for what he can get out of you. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
He could be very fond of Ryan if you'd let him. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Oh, no, no, Frances. You can't | 0:30:49 | 0:30:50 | |
begin to imagine on how many levels that will never happen. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
Why are you so angry? So negative? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
No, I'm not. It's you who's deluded about this dangerous man | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
because he's pretty. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
Oh... You're jealous. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
No. No, no, I'm shocked, I'm disappointed | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
that a woman of your obvious intelligence and ability | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
can allow herself to be fooled by this... | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
this...this... | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
You know, tell me this. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
If he looked like, I don't know, Ian Brady, or Peter Sutcliffe | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
or Jimmy Savile. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:27 | |
Or some other sad, twisted fuck. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
Would you believe a single word he said? | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
But he doesn't look like them. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
On the inside he looks exactly like them. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
And one day, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
the scales will fall away from your eyes, because they always do. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
And you'll realise how foolish he's made you look. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
And how much damage he's inflicted on you. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
A nice, kind, normal person who this really shouldn't have happened to. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
-TV: -'At 17 minutes past four this afternoon, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
'the remains of the dead man were removed from the farmhouse. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
'A woman who also lives at the address remains under police | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
'protection at a hospital in Halifax. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
'I'm not in a position at this moment to tell you any more | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
'about the body that was found at Far Sunderland Farm this morning. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
'However, I can tell you that at this time, we are not | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
'looking for any suspects in relation to the deaths | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
'of Ana Vasalescu, Aurelija Petrovic, Lynn Dewhurst or Elise May Hughes. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
'We are, however, still appealing to the public for | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
'any information regarding the death of Victoria Fleming. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
'We're asking people to think back to the evening and the night | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
'of Thursday the 12th of September. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
'Anyone who lives in Ripponden, or visits Ripponden | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
'to check their diaries, and think of anything suspicious they might have seen or heard. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
'If anyone was out in Ripponden that evening, particularly anyone out into the small hours | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
'on Thursday 12th September, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
'we would be very keen to talk to them.' | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
HE SOBS | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
What've I done? | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
-What've -I -done? | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
Eh, what've I done? Nothing! | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
Why me? | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Why me, you bastard?! | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
You bastard! You bastard! | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
You fucking...BASTARD! | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
You bastard! What've I done? What have I done? Nothing! | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
Fuck all! | 0:33:46 | 0:33:47 | |
Nothing, why, why?! You bastard! | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
What've I done?! | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
DOOR SHUTS | 0:34:00 | 0:34:01 | |
Everything all right? | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
Yeah. Just... | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
Neil wanted to tell you something. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
I knew Vicky Fleming. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
-Morning. -Morning. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
I was just nipping through to talk to one of your lot, actually. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
I've got some information that might be relevant about Vicky Fleming. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
I don't know if it helps but it's interesting. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
-If you can pass it on to Mr Shepherd. -Sure. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
It's a friend of me sister's, this...um...bloke... | 0:34:51 | 0:34:57 | |
Are you all right? You look like you've got flu. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Yeah. I think I'm starting with it. Go on. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
He's called Neil Ackroyd, he lives down Hebden Bridge. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
He's happy to come in and be interviewed, although... | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Well, it's sensitive. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
He knew Vicky Fleming. This is about four or five years ago. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
He was having a fling with her. He was married. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
And apparently she tried to blackmail him, well, she did blackmail him. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
She must have drugged him and taken photos of him. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Compromising photos. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
And then threatened to e-mail them to everyone he knew - | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
all his family and friends - if he didn't pay up. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
She'd downloaded his contacts. Anyway. He couldn't pay what she was asking, and she ruined his life. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
He lost his family, lost his job, his dignity. He became an alcoholic. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
That's his name and number, if you want to pass it on. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Cos whoever killed her could've been someone she was blackmailing. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Thank you. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:50 | |
You want to get yourself home to bed. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
I know. Thank you. Thanks. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Morning. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:14 | |
Morning...ma'am. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
That John Wadsworth. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
He's not this detective you told our Daniel about, is he? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
Why? | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
No, I just... I think you did well to avoid that one. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
Why? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:31 | |
I just gave him some information that I thought might be | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
pertinent to the investigation | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
about this fella Vicky Fleming blackmailed, years ago. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
And he has this glazed look in his eye. Like...durr. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
-What, and you think it's him? -Who? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
The fella she blackmailed? | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
No. No. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
But I'm thinking... | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
..whoever did it could be someone else she's blackmailed. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Whereas he's really not interested, right over his head. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
You can do a lot better than that, love. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
I didn't fancy him, if that's what you're thinking. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Good morning, you lucky people! | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Morning. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
Can I help? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
Yeah. I hope so. I'd like to speak to someone. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
I've got some information that might be relevant | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
regarding the...um... Victoria Fleming. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
Right, this morning. We've got two people who've come forward. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
We've got a...Gary Sugden. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
Yeah. Who's the landlord of the Wills O'Nats pub up Slaithwaite. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
And Gemma Tomkinson, who works at the Travel Inn at Ainley Top. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
Both of them are saying they've seen a woman who they believe might have been Vicky Fleming | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
at their establishments, with a man. Both are talking about a man smartly dressed, professional, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
shirt and tie, suit, clean-shaven, white, late 40s, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
early 50s, at around the time she went missing. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
She - this Gemma - describes the man as not looking very well. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
So, interviewing those two this morning takes priority. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
This Gemma also reckons they might still have some CCTV, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
even though it's more than 28 days since it happened. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
She's checked her records, and this was... | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
..three days before the flat was burnt out. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Three days before Vicky Fleming last turned up at work. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
We've also had a number of calls from people who | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
were in Ripponden that night, these are all new people, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
people who did not come forward last time. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Sorry, this is...probably mad. But when we were doing house-to-house | 0:39:17 | 0:39:23 | |
weeks ago, me and John Wadsworth - | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
and I'm not just saying this because he stood me up - | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
he was never off his phone, making furtive phone calls. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
And I remember saying to Shaf, "He's having an affair." | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
And then like... a couple of days later, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
a week after my mother died, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:36 | |
he was asking me how he could get his hands on £1,000. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
And he looked like shit. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
And I know everyone's busy thinking outside the box, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
but the fact does remain that it'd make a lot more sense | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
if it was someone inside the investigation. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
Like he was being blackmailed. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Catherine. There's a fella. I've put him in there - Graham Tattersall. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
He says he's got some information about Victoria Fleming, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
and he wants to see a detective, but they're still all | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
up in the briefing and he's itching to get off to work. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
-Could you...? -Sure. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
It might be relevant. I'll mention it. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
Mr Tattersall? I'm Sergeant Cawood. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:19 | |
If you want to give me a few brief details I can | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
pass your information on to CID, and somebody'll contact you. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Er. OK. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:27 | |
Well. The thing is... | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
I've been having a...in a... having a...in a... | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
..relationship. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
She's married. I'm married. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
But... And her husband was having an affair with someone else. But... | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
Anyway, he was away from home one night - | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
on obs, he said. He's a police officer. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
And I was round at her house. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Cos normally when he's on obs, he's out all night. So... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
This particular night... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
he turned up, one in the morning. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Yeah. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:06 | |
Which was...exciting. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
But the point is, she rang me. Last night. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Amanda, his wife, did. And we checked our diaries. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
And it's the same night that Victoria Fleming went missing. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Well, the same night her flat was burnt out. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Sorry, you think this bloke might have something to do with Vicky Fleming | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
-because he caught you in bed with his wife at one in the morning? -Yes. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
What's his name? | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
John Wadsworth. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
Paul, can you interview this Gemma Tomkinson? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
John, can you phone these people back who've left messages? | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
I'm just going to go to the chemist and get something for this, this cold. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
Oh, yeah. You do look like shit warmed up. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
-I shan't be long. -Go home. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
I'm fine. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
Alastair... | 0:41:51 | 0:41:52 | |
He did this. After they'd arrested that lad, that first one, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
that Saturday morning. He must have thought he'd got away with it... | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
He came round our house and he knocked me about. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
And he was going, "Where is she, then? Where's this woman I've been having this affair with?" | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
I shan't be long. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:09 | |
Obviously by then she was dead, so he could say that. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
John? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
John! | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
John. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
Watch out! | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
John, wait. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:32 | |
I just want to talk to you! | 0:42:35 | 0:42:36 | |
John! | 0:42:40 | 0:42:41 | |
I just want to talk to you. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
ENGINE STARTS John! | 0:42:43 | 0:42:44 | |
Fucking idiot! What you doing? | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Jesus! | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
Bravo November 4-5. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:58 | |
I'm chasing - it's complicated - | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
'but I'm chasing DS John Wadsworth, who I believe has been involved in the murder of Vicky Fleming.' | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Follow that BMW! Put your foot down. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
Units to Sowerby Bridge railway station. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
For once in your life, in the right place at the right time, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
doesn't it feel good, eh? | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
God knows what his plans are, but this is a dead end. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
Oh, bollocks! | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
Oh! | 0:43:35 | 0:43:36 | |
Throw it broadside! | 0:43:40 | 0:43:41 | |
Handbrake! | 0:43:50 | 0:43:51 | |
B-R-A-K-E. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:55 | |
TRAIN HORN BLARES | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
He's heading straight for the tracks. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
4-5, do NOT follow! | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
Bravo November 4-5, do not follow. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
Bollocks. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:27 | |
You don't come near me! | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
John, it's not that high, you're not going to... | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
You're just going to break your legs and make a mess. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
-Piss off. -Shit. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:14 | |
'He's on the bridge opposite the nick, he looks like he's going to jump.' | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
Shit. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:20 | |
Come on, we both know she was blackmailing you! | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
I burnt the evidence, didn't I?! | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
There's other people's evidence. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
There's this Neil bloke I told you about, for one. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
And there's...more than likely there's others. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:36 | |
She spiked my drink! | 0:45:36 | 0:45:37 | |
Took photos of me looking stupid and she was going to send them | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
-to people! -I know. -Everybody! | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
People I work with, my mother, my kids, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
people I don't even know that well! | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
They're just people - people you don't even like - | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
they're just people you've had on your phone for years! | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
I know! I know. I know how she operated. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
Look, she ruined people's lives, I tell you, this bloke I know... | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
I asked her to just let me go and she wouldn't, and I begged her! | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
And I didn't mean to kill her. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:11 | |
Well, I didn't go in there to kill her, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
it just... | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
And so I did this ridiculous thing to her. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
Hideous. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:26 | |
And God knows that's not me. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
That's not what I'm like. I'm not... I'm not a monster, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
-I never have been. -John... | 0:46:33 | 0:46:34 | |
You come any closer, I'll take you with me! | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
You were blackmailed. It was provocation. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
That's mitigating circumstances. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
And it sounds to me like manslaughter. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
It's ten years - less. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
And you and me both know you could be out. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
Yeah, but I'll never work again. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
-Have you got children? -Oh! | 0:46:54 | 0:46:55 | |
No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
Shut up! | 0:46:57 | 0:46:58 | |
Sorry, sorry. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
I've... | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
I've-I've... I've not done any negotiating courses. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
Have you? | 0:47:09 | 0:47:10 | |
Yeah. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:13 | |
Suicide intervention training. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
So... So... | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
So what should I be saying to you? | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
You should be telling me that you're here to make sure I get out of this alive. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
Yeah, well, I am. I am here for that. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
You should use my name a lot. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:34 | |
OK. John. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
You've got to be assertive. Reassuring. Empathetic, and kind. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:45 | |
And you've got to listen. You've got to be a good listener. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
And you tell them that even though they can't see a way forward, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
you can. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:52 | |
And how in 24 hours' time, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
it'll all seem very different to what it might look like now. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
But you see, it won't. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:01 | |
This can only get worse. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
How many people have you talked down over the years, John? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
-17. -Wow. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
And I never lost one. Not one. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
One lad jumped before I got there, but...apart from him. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
So, what you going to do? | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
Mess my record up before I've even started? | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
You take your time, I'll just... I'll just stand here. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
OK? I'm not going anywhere. All right? I'll just listen. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
Or I'll talk. Whichever you prefer. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
You tell me, John. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
I love my kids. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:43 | |
Yeah. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:45 | |
Oh! | 0:48:53 | 0:48:54 | |
Really need ETA on that ambulance, thank you. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
-You all right, Sarge? -Yeah. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
POLICE RADIO CHATTER | 0:49:28 | 0:49:29 | |
SIREN BLARES | 0:49:29 | 0:49:30 | |
SIRENS APPROACH | 0:49:35 | 0:49:36 | |
There but for the grace of God. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
Really? | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
He stuck a broken bottle inside her | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
and then prayed to God someone else'd get copped for it. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
That isn't what I said to him, by the way. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
I did try and talk him down. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
I'm pleased to hear it. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
You all right? | 0:50:10 | 0:50:11 | |
I thought I'd got through to him. I thought he was stepping down. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
Then he just went limp | 0:50:17 | 0:50:18 | |
and this odd look came over his face. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
SOBBING: He said, "I loved my kids." | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
What a shit week! | 0:50:33 | 0:50:34 | |
Sorry. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
I've had some more information through. From the DIU. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
About some of Tommy Lee Royce's other visitors. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
Oh, yeah? | 0:50:49 | 0:50:50 | |
Interesting reading. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
And I've had a message from the prison liaison service as well. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
TV ON | 0:51:01 | 0:51:02 | |
DOOR UNLOCKS | 0:51:02 | 0:51:03 | |
It's all right, son, sit down. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
It's bad news, I'm afraid. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
Pending an inquiry into some of the people who visit you, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
it's been decided - by the Wing Supervisor, and others - that | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
your visits and phone calls will be suspended for a while. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
As of now. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:19 | |
Why? | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
That's all I can tell you. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:22 | |
TV OFF | 0:51:25 | 0:51:26 | |
Suspended? What? | 0:51:27 | 0:51:28 | |
Everyone who visits me? | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
-As I've explained. -Phone calls? | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
-Yeah. -Why? | 0:51:33 | 0:51:34 | |
-I've told you everything I can. -Why? Why? Fucking why? | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
Calm down. Don't do that, Tommy. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
Calm down, Tommy! | 0:51:41 | 0:51:42 | |
Hello, Frances. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
What do you want? | 0:52:07 | 0:52:08 | |
These are some of Tommy Lee Royce's other visitors. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
That one - Gina Flynn - | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
she's a 45-year-old accountant from Warwick. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
Turns out he's engaged to her as well as you. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
And that one - Justine Niewinski - she's from Essex. A student. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
Media and politics. She's 23. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
He's engaged to her as well. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:34 | |
And that one - Lena Dixon - | 0:52:36 | 0:52:37 | |
fitness instructor from Leicestershire. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Also engaged to him. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:41 | |
You take care of yourself, OK? | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
-Hiya, Sarge. -Do you want to go get yourself a cup of tea? | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
Hello, Alison. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:14 | |
How are you? | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
I can't begin to imagine how you must feel. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
But I just wanted to tell you that... | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
I had a daughter. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
That died. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:52 | |
She was 18. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
And I know it's not the same, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
but it's all I've got to relate it to. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
And I just wanted to say... | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
..don't be short of someone to talk to. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
If you want to. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
You know where I am. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:18 | |
That's my number. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
You can always ring me. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
DOOR UNLOCKS | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
There's your post, sweet cheeks. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
INDISTINCT VOICES IN BACKGROUND | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
You OK? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
It was odd the other day, talking to Alison in the hospital. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
Why? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
She told me her story. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
You know - yet another everyday story of country folk. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:25 | |
Her dad. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:30 | |
He interfered with her. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
Daryl was his son, not his grandson. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
Jesus. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:41 | |
She brought up this kid, this child, this... | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
..aberration. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:50 | |
That she loved and hated because... | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
what else could she do? | 0:56:56 | 0:56:57 | |
RYAN CHATTERING IN BACKGROUND | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
And she was terrified of him finding out, so... | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
she tried to stop him bothering with the local lads. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
So they picked on him. And they knew anyway. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
They knew something, somehow. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:12 | |
So they became like outcasts, pariahs. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:19 | |
Something to poke fun at. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
I said, "Did he ever know?" | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
And she said she thought he'd worked it out. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Although they never talked about it. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
She said, "Because I never had the language." | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
And I thought, "Yeah. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:49 | |
"I know." | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
-Can I get a dog? -No. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
Why? | 0:58:08 | 0:58:09 | |
Because you won't look after it. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
No, I would. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:12 | |
I'll walk it and feed it and everything. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
Yeah, for t'first week. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
So I was thinking maybe a Rottweiler. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
Oh, are you? | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
An Alsatian, then. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:23 | |
-An orang-utan. -Oh, perfect. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
-OK, a Doberman. -Yeah, right. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
-A Great Dane? -No. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:30 | |
A Siberian Husky. A St Bernard! | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 | |
Ha! | 0:58:33 | 0:58:34 | |
Is that a yes? | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
-Why can't you get something smaller? -Like a pit bull? | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
No, like a goldfish. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:40 | |
Fish are rubbish! You can't talk to fish. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:43 | |
I need something with some more personality. | 0:58:43 | 0:58:47 | |
Granny. Granny! | 0:58:47 | 0:58:49 | |
I'd get him a dog just to shut him up if I were you, Mother! | 0:58:49 | 0:58:51 |