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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting from the start. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:10 | |
You OK? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
It's all right to feel afraid. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
It's all right to feel anything. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
I'm here for you. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
I see it's catching, my paranoia. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
You're safe, Paul. Trust me. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
We talked about pushing yourself, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
getting back out there from the start. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
You're so sure about this, aren't you? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Yeah, we are. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Only takes one person to recognise me and I'm screwed. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Doesn't mean you can go on holiday. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Paul's got a future. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Paul can have the life he wants. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
-Why are you smiling? -You. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
All those years, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
"Tell the truth. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
"Face the truth." | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Now you're teaching me to lie. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
It's just me. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
You can't be here. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
What do you think you're doing? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Hmm? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
Why don't you answer the phone? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
You're a mess, you need help. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
You said you'd help me out. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
I ain't doing that again. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
You want people here knowing what you did? | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
I'd never, I'd never! | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Please, help me. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Please. You said you'd get me the drugs. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
I'm sorry, I'm sorry! | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
KNOCK AT DOOR | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
# Testator silens | 0:03:57 | 0:04:05 | |
# Costestes e spiritu | 0:04:05 | 0:04:13 | |
# Silentium. # | 0:04:13 | 0:04:24 | |
Thanks. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
Superintendent Clive Mitchell. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
-Lyell Centre, Nikki Alexander, Jack Hodgson. -DI Snow. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
-Not often we're met by the Super. -Not often we get one like this. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
David Sellars, 31. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Multiple wounds to the torso, forearms, hands, neck. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
Forehead and scalp also. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Is there a weapon? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
No. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
Time of death most likely 7.45 yesterday evening. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
That was fast. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
-Huh. -We'll verify, but with wounds like this, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
attack and death won't be very far apart. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
It is odd, though. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
What's odd? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
There should be way more blood. Excuse me. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
HE SKOOSHES A SPRAY | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Someone's tried to clean up. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
Is this his place? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
Tenant. Let's owned by the probation service, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
they've got several units on this estate. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
-How long has he been out of prison? -Six months. -What was he in for? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
He did 12 years... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
..for killing his mother. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
The kid who used to dream is still in here, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
but I just stopped believing it. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Cocaine, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
vodka, cash, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
being the man, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
being feared. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Took a long time to learn it's OK to be afraid. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
Being in that club... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
..watching my girl get hit on, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
those two touching her when she never wanted it... | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
I chose what happened next. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
I chose to follow them into that car park. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
I could've walked away... | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
..but I took a baseball bat... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
..and I ended their lives, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
ruined so many others. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
You never pay back what you did, never goes away. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Only evil is to admit nothing, deny. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
No-one here's doing that. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Everyone here has taken a life, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
so a life licence gives you the chance of a new beginning. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
I believe that earns you the right to dream again. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
It worked for me. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
Watch that one, though. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
She'll do your head in. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
-All right, mate, cheers. -That was really helpful, thank you. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Nice one, mate. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
Cheers. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
-Don't make me do that again. -First time back is tough. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Problem share's a pain in the arse, didn't you teach me that? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
It's always good that they hear it from someone who's been through | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
the system. You were brave, we were listening. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Maybe I should branch out - kids' parties, weddings. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Erm... | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Well, I ain't going to light it. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
You've been a good support to Ben, and really positive. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
He's done all the hard work. With your help. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
PHONE BUZZES | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Excuse me. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:06 | |
Sasha Blackburn, Origins Centre. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
Yes. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
I'll be there. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Sasha? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
It's David. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
60 plus narrow stab wounds to the torso, neck, face. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
Further incised wounds to the palms and arms. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
He was probably struggling to defend himself for most of the attack. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Wound orientation and grouping suggests a rapid assault. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Slim blade, probably a knife. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
Single edge, non-serrated. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Both forearms show multiple keloid scars. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
Mm, some of the worst I've seen. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Some of them are still healing, suggestion of prolonged self-harm. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-Or abuse. -Mm. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Also evidence of heat damage to the dermis. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
It's branding. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
David marked himself every year, his mother's birthday. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
This is Dr Blackburn, forensic psych attached to the Origins Centre, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
the lifers' rehab unit Sellars attended. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
His feet are abraded and lacerated. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
David suffered from schizoaffective disorder. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
During bad episodes he'd often go barefoot, hallucinate. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
-Was he in the middle of a psychotic episode? -He wasn't stable. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
The last few weeks, I'd been seeing him regularly. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
I was pushing for a hospital stay. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
There's a callous on his lower shin. Did he wear an ankle tag? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
He didn't have one on? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:13 | |
He must have taken it off. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
He had consented to GPS monitoring. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Some prefer that to daily signings or police visits. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
-Can we get that data, please? -Yeah. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Nikki... | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
have you ever seen that before? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
No. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:33 | |
Small intestine, it's the wrong colour. It's bright purple. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
I was a prep cook at a university. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
It was a big kitchen, like a canteen, erm, for students. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
Can you use a fry tank? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
What? No, I did breakfasts, mostly. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Worked on the cruise ships two years. Where did that take you? | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
The Mediterranean. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
Catch anything I should know about? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
I'm winding you up. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
We use a candidate verify service. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
Background checks. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
You're alone with a till. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Unless you're an armed robber, you'll be fine. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
You Mill Wall or The Addicks? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
A South London boy, not into your football? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
2003, David Sellars was sentenced to life for the murder | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
of Mary Sellars, his mother. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
Judge set minimum term of ten years, Sellars served 12. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
So there were problems inside. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
He started off in secure hospitals. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
When medication stabilised him, he improved. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Moved to prison, where I helped with his rehab. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
He struggled but tried really hard. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
He was released on licence last year. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
David stabbed his mother with a fire poker which he heated first, yeah? | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
Correct. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:02 | |
How did you find him? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
Regarding his offence? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Yeah. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:07 | |
Remorseful, lucid. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
On medication, David was capable of objectivity, good judgment. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
His psychometric scores improved year on year. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
I had no evidence not to recommend him for release. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
-And what was behind his recent relapse? -It's difficult to say. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Just stopped communicating. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Main reason I was considering the section order. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
Without meds, people with schizophrenia can become unstable. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
On rare occasions, violent. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
But they're all extremely vulnerable. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Right, no weapon yet but the clean-up job seems odd. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Frenzied attack, the killer sticks around to mop up | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
and has the presence of mind to dispose of the cleaning gear. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
We're doing a deep search for the murder weapon. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
-We need to widen the net for DNA. -I'm on it next. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
Swabs from all the residents. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
Interesting career choice, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
spend your day with the most violent men in the country. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
Whereas our job's entirely free of unresolved personal issues(!) | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
So, purple intestine's calling me. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Thomas. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
All right? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:38 | |
He was attacked in his flat. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
I know you were close in Redhill. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
They know who done it? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
Not yet. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
Where are they burying him? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
It don't matter, does it? No-one will be there. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
I won't be there, will I? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
We used to joke who'd have the emptiest church, him or me. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
-I'll be there. -Yeah, you don't give up on anyone. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
Look, I know it's really hard, but you have to focus on your progress. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
-I am. -I spoke to the agency and they said | 0:14:34 | 0:14:35 | |
that you walked out of your job interview. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
He smelt me out. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-He knew it was bullshit, it's all bullshit. -Paul. Paul! | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
You don't get it! | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
The things we've done, they don't go away. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
No, we just run from it. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
DOOR CREAKS | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Four o'clock, Marcus. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
Always better the prison governor's on side. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
-We can move that one there. -That one, yes, that'd be... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
Hi, Sylvie. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
You're not so hard to find. Our boy's name's right above the door. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
Had a drink today, Ted? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
Is that your business any more? | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
You're in my office. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:09 | |
Is Connor here? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
So you've heard, then. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
He's out, Sylvie. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:24 | |
I was going to call you. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
Yeah, I can see you're busy. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
They told me I could have some counselling, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
it'll help process my feelings. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
What do you reckon? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
Maybe you could get me together with Joe. Try to forgive. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
Never forget. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
-You should talk to someone. -What if I found out where he lives? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Still got some old contacts. We met some good coppers, didn't we? | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
You promised me you'd do nothing to him. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Ever. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
When I still loved you... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
..you promised me. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
Promise me again. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
Now. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
I know you're in there, Connor, lad, I know you are. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
I just want you to know I respect your decision to | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
ignore your father for almost six or seven years, totally respect that. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
Free country, especially if you're Joe Sherringham. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Do you want to be here when the police arrive? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
I don't have any photographs of him any more. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Can't... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
..of my little boy. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
How can you bear to have them? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Just have him look at you, every day? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
How can you do that, Sylvie? | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
I was going to tell you. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
Forensics, right? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
-Yep. -One of your guys said it's a right mess up there. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Did you get anything? | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
And you are...? | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
Ryan White, warden. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
I was on the force, two years. I told your Super I'd help if I can. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
-Two years? Not long. -Paper worker. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
I wanted to be on the street, making a difference. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
Has the graffiti been going on long? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
A few months. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
This is a decent community. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
There's a few ex-cons, lifers - God knows what they did. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
But probation says they're safe, so... | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
-Is that anything to do with all this, the paint? -It's probably just kids. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
-I'll need a swab from you, for the record. -Anything I can do. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Do you want a cup of tea while you're at it? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
-Tea or coffee? -Tea, please. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
That spray paint's a nightmare to clean off. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
Yeah, it must get all over you. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Can I use your bathroom? | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
Sure, it's downstairs. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Thanks. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
Yellow paint. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
Blood. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
Someone's been busy. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
Do you take sugar? > | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
TOILET FLUSHES | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Text from the office. Sorry, got to go. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Snow? It's Jack Hodgson. I'm outside flat 63, the warden, Ryan White. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
There's blood in his bathroom - better get down here. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
Oh, shit... | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
Man, I hate it when they run! | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Stop, police! | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
Get up! | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
Clarissa, the discolouration we noticed in the intestine, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
anything yet? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
SHE SPEAKS BULGARIAN | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
What? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
-It's Bulgarian for cow. -Really? | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Bovine diazepam. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
They add a purple dye to show it's unlicensed for human consumption. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
This batch was manufactured by a chemical company in Gabrovo. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
The deceased probably got it illegally online. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Much like my fluent Bulgarian! | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Don't worry, I'm all over it... | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
Shef. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
-Sorry I'm late. -Hey, it's your mum! | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
Hey. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
-Mum! -He scored twice. -Twice? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Max, that's brilliant! | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
We thought you were going to be there. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
I'm sorry, sweetheart. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
I'll be there next time for your hat-trick, I promise. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
OK. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
He was fine. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
It's you I'm worried about. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
-Since the divorce... -Mum. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
Why don't I cook tea? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
Let me just... Let me just get rid of all this. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
PHONE RINGING | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Hi, it's me. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
We found aerosol paints on your clothes. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Matches paint found outside the victim's front door. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Yeah, a can went missing from my workshop a few days ago. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
There are also traces of blood in your bathroom and on your trainers. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
David Sellars' blood. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
Why did you wash your trainers, Ryan? | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
I don't know anything about blood. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
Then, why did you run? | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
I panicked. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
I asked that forensics guy back to my flat. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Why would I do that if I'd just murdered someone? | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
The probation service use some of those flats for ex-offenders. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
How do you feel about that, having ex-cons in your block? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Nice flats, all paid for. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Everyone deserves a second chance. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
You haven't had many yourself, though, have you, Ryan? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Eh? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
I mean, the police force didn't want you. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
It seems you expressed some pretty strong views at interview. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Life should be for life, police's hands are tied. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
Then, you got divorced soon after, so... | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
no second chances there, either. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
How often do you see your kids now that Mary's moved to Scotland? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
She never applied for a restraining order, so you're not denied access. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Don't you want to see them? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Or don't they want to see you? | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
Hard for any father, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
that kind of rejection. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
Do you know what that freak did to his own mother? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
Yeah. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
Yeah. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
And now I know you did too. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
Failed marriage, failed cop, prejudiced, the aerosol, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
access to the flat, fled the scene. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
Not a big leap for the jury. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
I went up. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
I wanted to see him, wash the graffiti off again. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
-And I saw... -You cleaned your tracks. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Why didn't you just call the police, Ryan? | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
I wasn't thinking straight. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
I thought if someone knew about the graffiti, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
if they saw my...footprints... | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
You can do me for that if you want, but I never killed him, I swear! | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
Tell me you got something new. We can't hold Ryan White much longer. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
-We tracked the tag that David Sellars wore up until last week. -Yeah. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
Most days he never left his flat, but two weeks ago, he made quite a trip. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
Yeah, right across town. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
-What's this? -Residential flats. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
He was outside one of them for three hours. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Waiting for someone? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
-Yeah, check the occupant. If it's good, bring him in. -Sir. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
Paul Raynott? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
So, this is your idea too. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
What, to use full resources? Absolutely. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Where's the suspect? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:34 | |
He's not a suspect. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
We have a person of interest. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:38 | |
On his consent, we'd like to do some tests after interview. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Sorry, during which you intend to bring up the matter of his identity. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:47 | |
-Are you serious? Absolutely. -Then, these people do not need to be here. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
-My client's safety means he's a very vulnerable case. -Who's the client? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
Look, are we part of this investigation or not? | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
How can we contribute unless we know who and what we're dealing with? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
Excuse me. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
DI Snow will be taking notes. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
Should I have a lawyer, then? | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
You're not under caution, this is a witness interview. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
You understand why you're here. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
What would you like me to call you? | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Paul. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
Do you know why you're here, Paul? | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
David's dead. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Describe your relationship with David Sellars | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
when you were both at Redhill. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
He looked out for me. Not many did. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
When did you last see him? | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
Ages ago, inside. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
So, no contact since, of any kind? | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
This is a record of a journey that David Sellars made three weeks ago. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
He visited your address. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Can you tell us about that? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
-I don't understand that. -Did you see him that day? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
-No, never. -How did he know where to find you? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
-I don't know. -Your new ID, address - | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
that's all highly-protected information. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
-How did he know where you were? -Paul answered the question. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
I know you're Joe Sherringham. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
A child killer. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
Joe Sherringham? | 0:29:24 | 0:29:25 | |
A willing participant in one of the most notorious child murders | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
in recent history. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:30 | |
Craig Blake murder. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Since release, you've been on daily signing with probation. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
You've been late for some of these. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
I lose track of time a bit, it's only happened twice. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
Tell me where you were last night between 7pm and 10pm. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
-I never killed David. -Just answer the question, please. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
-In my flat. -Can anyone confirm that? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
No. I was on my own. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Can't imagine anything more lonely. Living with your secret. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Pretending to the outside world that you're something you're not. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-Superintendent... -Of course you needed a friend. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
Someone who knows who Paul really is. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
But then, he became a liability. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
-You felt sorry for him, but you couldn't help... -Please be quiet. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
Must have been very, very scary. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Thinking about what he could do. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
What he knew. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
What would Joe have done? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
What would Joe have to do to stay safe? | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Joe wouldn't be scared. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
Stop this interview! | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
I'm not Joe any more. I've done nothing. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
Did you see how he looked at me? Proper copper that one, innit? | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
I know that look! He thinks I'm a monster. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Is there anything you're not telling me? Because now's the time. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
-Did you contact David? -You don't believe me. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
-Will you just come and talk to Probation. -See, I know what's coming. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
What do I have to do? I'll do it. Daily signing? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
-I'll do curfews, tag me, I don't care. -Not prison, a safe house. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
-You come and go, I will see you every day. -This is them, they want this. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
Paul, it's about what's best for you. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
Then, arrest me. Cos I ain't walking back in, no chance! | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
PHONE RINGING | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
I need Paul Raynott's offender manager. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
I've just spoken to Probation Services. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
The day David was trapped, Paul was with his offender manager all day. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
-They never met. -But the day he was murdered, David took off his tag. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
-There could've been other times. -There's no proof. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
Are you going to charge him without it? | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
I appreciate you're very invested in Joe's rehabilitation, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
but the truth is there are no certainties yet. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
-Ryan and Joe could both be in on this. -I'm overinvested here? | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
You are prejudging a very sensitive, very insecure young man. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:31:56 | 0:31:57 | |
You know, I knew officers on the Craig Blake murder. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
When it was done, they both took early retirement. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
My age, fit, years of service ahead of them. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
But after that one, they'd had enough. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
What happened in that building in the woods... | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
what Joe and Marcus did to that Blake boy - they'd seen enough. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
Have him sign the notes, get his permission to search his flat. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
If you've got any fear that he'll run, I'm the first to know. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
Agreed? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:25 | |
INDISTINCT CHATTER | 0:32:32 | 0:32:33 | |
What you looking at? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Yeah, I killed Craig Blake. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
I'm Joe Sherringham, I killed him. Now, look at me, I killed Craig! | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
Sick tosser! | 0:32:55 | 0:32:56 | |
-It is Sellar's blood, yeah? -Some. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
But these shoes should've been drenched in it. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
DI Snow found this in a storm drain outside David Sellar's | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
-block of flats. -Fantastic. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
-Yes, we'll get onto it. -The attack on David. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
It required strength, determination. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Over 60 blows, that's around two minutes of repeated stabbing, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-forceful enough to go through bone an inch thick. -So? | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
Ryan's threats were anonymous. He wanted to avoid confrontation. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
The profile doesn't fit. And there's more good news. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
The wound pattern on David suggests a right-handed assailant. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
Let me guess. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
Ryan's left-handed. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
So, for now, Ryan's story holds. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Went upstairs, saw the blood, panicked, cleaned up. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
-And we can't prove that Joe Sherringham met David Sellars that day either. -No. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
OK, we'll go back and make enquiries about any contacts | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
David may have had outside or inside prison. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Sorry. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
-Right, can you access the hard drive on this? -I can. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
Since you asked so nicely. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
I'm looking for trashed e-mail, social media, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
-deleted internet activity. -Who's the user? | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Um, Paul Raynott, aka, Joe Sherringham. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
Anything you find, run it past me first. Understood? | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
I'll run it any way you like. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
It was a road rage incident. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Business wasn't going well, was drinking. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
When the other guy came at me, yelling, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
I took the wrench and I just... | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
I lost it. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
I've been out ten years now. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
There were anger management issues, obviously. I realised that later. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
And that's where you met David Sellars. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Yeah, he was on a reoffending workshop that I helped on. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
I didn't know him well. I think Sasha was very concerned about him. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
He needed more and more of her support. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
We found graffiti outside his door. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
-Has he ever mentioned that he was being threatened, intimidated? -No. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
Did he talk about wanting to reduce his dose? | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
We're lifers, Superintendent, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
we can be recalled at any time for almost anything. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
David had three weeks before he could move into his own house. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
I can understand why he wouldn't want anything to get in the way of that. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
-Hi. -Hi. -My wife, Mandy. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
-Oh, thanks. -She doesn't normally do the coffee. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
She's the real boss round here. | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
Kept the place going while I was inside. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
Can you tell me where you were, evening before last? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
At home. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
We went up about 10.30, after the news. Like we always do. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
I'm also on licence. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
Bennet Walker. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
He attends the Origins Centre as well. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Yeah, I helped him through his first few months on the outside. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
He needed a job, it was cleared by probation, so... | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
I'd like to talk to him. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:26 | |
Er, you should know that his colleagues | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
are not aware of his past. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Is Ben in any trouble? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
I just need a word. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
You were a bit of a bad boy, weren't you, Ben? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
Gangs, drugs, bit of dealing. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Mm. Got life for murder. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
Couple of guys chatting up your girlfriend. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
That was then. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:53 | |
So, tell me about you and David Sellars. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
Who? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
You were in Redhill at the same time. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Oh, right, Sellars. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
Bit of a schizo. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
-You attacked him in the canteen. -That was nothing. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
It was an argument over a portion he give me, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
that was my first month inside. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
Right. Before you turned that corner. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Bought into the rehab workshops and classes. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Ten years, got yourself out on licence. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
They don't let us out easy. Whatever the papers want you to think. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
Thing is, there's always that question, isn't there? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
Have you really changed? | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Oliver texted me. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
Why didn't you tell me you wanted to interview my clients? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
You have a problem with that, Dr Blackburn? | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
-Have you seen David Sellars since you've been released? -No. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
-What's this about, Sash? -David Sellars was murdered two days ago. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Where were you that day, between 7pm and 10pm? | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Oh, right. I get it. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
Pull another lifer in for it. Yeah? | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Easy collar, statement to the press, all done and dusted, huh? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
Just answer the question. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
It's important, Ben, whatever you know. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
I was at the gym and then, I went home. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
I'll be on camera all the way. Why don't you go and check? | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
Why was David killed? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
-They don't know. -I'm so sorry. Are you OK? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
-I'm fine, Oliver, really. -You weren't responsible for David. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
You're looking after everyone except yourself. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
-There's people around you who can help. -Look, I've really got to go. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
We've got David's tox reports. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
They confirm that the anti-psychotic that he was prescribed was | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
present, but at much lower levels than expected. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
It suggests that he was reducing his risperidone, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
using bovine diazepam to try and replace it. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
Do you think he was self-medicating? | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
David spent all his adult life in jail. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Told what to do, what to think. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Self-medicating is a way of taking back control. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
He just wanted to feel normal. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
We knew he was struggling. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
He needed more and more of my time. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
I knew that there was a chance he was letting his meds slip. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
David trusted us, and we let him down. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
What makes you want to do this? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
Making these impossible calls? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Almost all the lifers that I deal with have also been victims. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
Abuse, neglect, just...no chances in life. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
Most want to turn things around, they just don't know how. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
And I am in a job that can help them. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
How can you know if they've really changed, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
if they're safe to be released? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
We look for the science, patterns, tests, observation. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
We do our best with the evidence that we have, just like you. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Do you lie awake at night, wondering if you made the right call? | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Do you? | 0:40:05 | 0:40:06 | |
I believe everyone deserves a second chance. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
CLICKING | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
LIGHTER CLICKS | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
There's nothing worth nicking here, mate, I swear. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
Hello, Ted. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
I used to come round here when Dad was drinking. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
And you'd patch me up, let me stay over. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
-I want you to know I never wanted to hurt Craig, I swear. -But you did. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
-That's exactly what you did. -I didn't know who I was. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I had no-one at home to show me, just you. And then, Marcus came. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:22 | |
And he... He could see I was wide one, some messed-up kid. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
Right, so you're the victim? Huh? Not my little boy. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
Is that what you learnt in prison? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:34 | |
I came to say I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
I know it doesn't mean anything, but... It's just too late, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
but I just wanted to say it. Do whatever you want. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
Come on, Ted. Come on, do it. Do it, I wouldn't blame you, do it! | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
KNIFE CLATTERS | 0:41:52 | 0:41:53 | |
TED SOBS | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
I'm so sorry, Ted. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:01 | |
My new name is Paul Raynott. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
I live at Flat 9, Endicott Place. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
So now you know. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
DOOR CLOSES | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
DOOR CLANGS | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
MAN: Breakfast call, Marcus. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
VOICES ECHO | 0:42:40 | 0:42:41 | |
Traces of David Sellars' blood, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
the blade matches the wounds on his body. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
No prints or DNA from his attacker. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
Meanwhile, Joe Sherringham's laptop tells us | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
he knows a thing or two about encryption. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
Masked IP addresses, proxy servers. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
So it took a while, but...ten days ago, he got this. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:11 | |
An invoice for 50 diazepam. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
Exactly the same chemical profile | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
as the ones David Sellars was taking. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
-Sellars tries to make it without his meds. -His mental state deteriorates. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
-Asks Sherringham to get the diazepam for him. -Ends up dead. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
I'm pulling Joe Sherringham back in. Going to keep this low-key, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
OK? Jack. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
This what you call low-key? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
-Jason. -Badly burnt male. Found outside the front of the property. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
Alive, just. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:55 | |
Fire crews found a body in the kitchen, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
we're just waiting for the fire investigators. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
This isn't Joe Sherringham. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
No, but this is. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
Looks like multiple stab wounds to the face, neck, upper torso. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
-Same as David Sellars. -Possibly. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
-Weapon? -Screwdriver. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
Under the body, protected from the heat, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
about the only thing in here that was. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
This little baby is the seat of the fire. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
From the spread pattern and the burns on the fellow outside, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
I'd say an accelerant was used. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
Boss. Hospital's got an ID on the burns victim. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
It's Ted Blake. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:47 | |
-Ted Blake? -Father of Craig Blake. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
The kid that Sherringham murdered in the woods. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
So, did Blake find out where his son's killer lived, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
set the fire to cover his tracks? | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Got caught as the accelerant ignited, staggered outside, collapsed. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
Maybe this felt like some kind of justice. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
Hard to live with, a loss like his. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
Sherringham's new ID was Class One protected. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
I want Blake's last movements, contacts, the lot. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
-I want to know why and how he found Joe Sherringham. -Sir. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Tell the hospital to isolate the suspect. And, Snow... | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
I want the press out of this for as long as I can. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
Why would Ted Blake also kill David Sellars? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
He wanted payback for his son, maybe got to Sellars first, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
forced him to spill Sherringham's address, then killed him. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
How did he find them? | 0:45:32 | 0:45:33 | |
Well, we know that Sherringham met Sellars and gave | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
him diazepam, maybe they were seen together | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
and someone tipped Ted Blake off. We need Ted Blake to talk. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
-Is he conscious? -They won't let us near him. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
You're a doctor, right? | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
-No. -This man is a murder suspect. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Right now, my patient has burns to over 40% of his body. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
I won't risk exposure to further trauma. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
I'm sure you realise the implications of this case. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
My job is to keep him alive. I'm sorry. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
Er, Dr Chamberlain, Lyell Centre. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
He has an endotracheal tube. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
-Was there respiratory distress? -Oedema of the oropharynx. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
-Possible hypoxia. -Hypoxia. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
So, you've taken bloods. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
15ml. That's all we need. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
Give us something to work with till we can examine him. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
I'll tell Path to expect you. And his clothes are bagged. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
What's left of them. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
I've come to see my husband. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
Mrs Blake, I'm Superintendent Clive Mitchell. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
I know this is a really difficult time, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
but I do need to ask you a few questions. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
Can't you wait? | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
He came to the office yesterday. He'd been drinking, I just wanted him out. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
-Did he ever talk about wanting to find Sherringham? -All the time. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
Dad used to bang on about revenge. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
What he'd do to Sherringham and Chadwell if he ever got the chance. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
We just... We just thought it was drunk talk. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
Any idea how he learned about Sherringham's new identity? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
I got back up on my feet. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:13 | |
Built something positive from my son's death. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Tried to forgive, never forget. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
Ted's just made that a sick joke. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
JOURNALISTS CLAMOUR | 0:47:26 | 0:47:27 | |
It's all starting again. We're never going to be free of this now. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:38 | |
The blood is all Joe Sherringham's. No surface traces of the assailant. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
Look for sweat or epidermal samples under the handle. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Start where the shaft and the handle meet, work your way down. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
So, those are my plans for the evening. You? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
Oh, the usual. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:55 | |
Cup of cocoa and straight to bed with a Jilly Cooper. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
Did you get the mass spectrometry on Blake's clothes? | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
-No sign of accelerant. -Really? | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
Well, maybe we're looking at fast evaporation, LPG, aerosols, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
lighter fluid. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
Maybe, but I can't find any blood on Ted's clothes either. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
With that kind of attack you'd think we'd get something. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
You set alight to a crime scene to obliterate traces, right? | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
But Joe Sherringham was attacked and killed in the kitchen. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
So, why set the fire in the hall? | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
Absence of soot in the mouth and pharynx, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
indicative of death before the fire. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
An examination of distal airways to confirm. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
Stab wounds to the chest, neck, upper arms. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
Angles of entry and spread suggest that they were made | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
while the victim was moving in relation to his assailant. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
Multiple deep stab wounds to the face. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
These seem to have been made after he stopped moving. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
I don't think this was just a frenzied attack. This was mutilation. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
Someone wanted to dehumanise Joe. Erase his identity. | 0:48:56 | 0:49:01 | |
Why? | 0:49:01 | 0:49:02 | |
There's no ritual element, as far as we can see, there's nothing sexual. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
Because then, he'd be removed as an obstacle. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
He wouldn't be in their way any more. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
Two different types of murder weapon, a knife and a screwdriver. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
But there are similarities in wound pattern. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
In particular, a deliberate targeting to the face. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
In Sellars' case, less pronounced. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
The facial wounds are fewer and shallower. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
So, the killer's work on Sherringham could suggest a development. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
His anger's finding its expression. More focused. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
We know Ted Blake was in the vicinity, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
but so far we've got nothing to connect him to the actual murder, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
-or, indeed, to setting the fire. -No, you told us there were flash burns on Ted Blake. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
Yes, but there's no trace of accelerant on his clothes | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
and we would've expected at least some of Sherringham's blood to show up. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
So, we've got nothing. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
What happens if there was a third person? | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
Possible. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
-Pull up the file on Joe Sherringham and his victim, Craig Blake. -Gov. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
-Anything on the screwdriver? -Small traces of skin on the handle. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
Luckily, Sherringham's blood didn't get in there or swamp them. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
PHONE BUZZES I'm expecting the DNA back soon. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
Blake's conscious, he's trying to talk. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:25 | |
I'll come with you. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:26 | |
MONITOR BEEPING | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
SUSTAINED BEEP | 0:50:31 | 0:50:32 | |
-Sats are dropping. -Bringing the defib just now. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
Got a cart. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
-Ted! -Sir! | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
You need to move out of the room. Sir, can you move back? | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
Still falling. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
TV: 'It appears Edward Blake was caught in a fire that destroyed | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
'the flat where Joe Sherringham was living. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
'15 years ago, Sherringham and an older teenager, Marcus Chadwell, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
'received life sentences for the murder of Blake's son, Craig. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
'Sherringham had recently been released on licence with a new identity, while | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
'Marcus Chadwell remains at a high security unit at Oakford Prison.' | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
-Ted Blake's dead. -Really? | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
This came from Mitchell. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
The pathology from the Craig Blake inquest. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
Thanks, Clarissa. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
I'm here all night if you need me. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
-When do we get Blake's body? -Be with you later today. What's the news? | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
Targeting the face is an uncommon style of violence. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
But look at this. 15 years ago. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
Among Craig Blake's many injuries, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
there were a dozen puncture wounds to his face. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
Joe Sherringham testified that they were inflicted by Marcus Chadwell. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
-Marcus never admitted this. -Well, he's never admitted anything. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
-Maybe Marcus doesn't want his second chance. -It's rare, but it happens. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:30 | |
He's never shown remorse for what he did, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:31 | |
he's refused all rehabilitation work. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
On both Sellars and Sherringham, we suspect that these wounds were | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
inflicted when the victim was motionless. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
At the Blake trial, the prosecution suggested Marcus did something | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
very similar to Craig Blake. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
All right, is it possible that Marcus Chadwell coerced someone else | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
into killing both Joe and David? This third person? | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
Surely we have to consider the possibility. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
When one of the victims is Joe Sherringham. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
Marcus's contact with the outside world is closely monitored. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Yeah, but he's associated with other prisoners for years, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
some of whom have been released. And he's highly manipulative. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
Psychopathic personality types always are. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
He manipulated Joe into killing Craig Blake. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
But? | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
Two things. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:23 | |
If Marcus influenced someone inside to go out and kill, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:29 | |
then we missed it. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:30 | |
Given the tests, the therapy, the scrutiny that lifers undergo, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
it's unlikely. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:36 | |
But it could happen. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:37 | |
It would take a uniquely deceptive personality to hide their true | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
psychology over time. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
Marcus is a uniquely deceptive personality, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
so what's the second thing? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
You've seen the TV. Marcus Chadwell is famous again. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:52 | |
You give him the attention of a police investigation on top? | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
He WILL play games. He's been dreaming of this. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
You understand why we're here. Ted Blake and Joe Sherringham. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
Yes, how very unfortunate for them. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
We've not been introduced. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
-I'm a forensic pathologist. -So you're the one digging up the past. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
Can you tell us anything about these wounds? | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
Hmm. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:54 | |
I don't have a lot to say about this. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
Do you? | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
Judging by the concentration and patterning, | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
he wasn't conscious when they were inflicted. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
-And that's your conclusion? -Is it correct? | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Well, you seem quite confident. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
What do you see there, Marcus? | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
I see Craig Blake. Recognise the photograph from the trial. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
Have you discussed Craig's wounds with anyone else? | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
-Who do you have in mind? -Somebody who you felt comfortable talking to. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
You looked after Joe, didn't you, Doctor? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
-Strange how inseparable we became. -You were very different. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
-How was Joe under your care? -Joe was a very brave young man. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
I'm not very interested in Joe and I'm not, it turns out, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
very interested in you. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
Evidently, you're here because you need information from me, yes? | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
If that is to happen, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
then, we would need to discuss someone that I am interested in. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:57 | |
Who are you interested in, Marcus? | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
The mother, of course. Sylvie. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
Sylvie Blake. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
Things happened that day I've not spoken about, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
things that impact on Joe's death very directly. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:21 | |
Are you claiming influence over these murders? | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
-Influence - that's a very good word. -He's being evasive. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
I can tell you who killed Joe. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
We need to take Sylvie to the building in the woods. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
Puncture wound, made by a small, blunt object. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
WE haven't been able to match it with anything in the house | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
and it wasn't made by the murder weapon. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:10 | |
-You shouldn't have come here. -I'm not mad at you, mind. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
I'm going to bring him out now. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
He's not going to get anywhere hear you. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
-Where were you the day that Craig died? -Why are you asking me this? | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
-I want you to check for a match. -Right, Ted Blake, I'm on it. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
Not Ted. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
It can go wrong for people like us. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
Don't put your hands on me! | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
# Testator silens | 0:58:40 | 0:58:47 | |
# Costestes e spiritu | 0:58:47 | 0:58:55 | |
# Silentium. # | 0:58:55 | 0:59:04 |