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My name is Tony Powell. I helped Saskia take her own life, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
according to her own wishes. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
What the prosecution will seek to prove is this - | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Anthony Powell, crippled with debt, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
his business struggling to stay afloat, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
prematurely, and deliberately, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
ended the life of Saskia Stanley. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
I only did what Saskia wanted. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
That's all I ever did. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
What if Tony did what Mum wanted? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
She would have told us. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
She changed her will to benefit you. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
-And? -You must've had an inkling as to what she was planning. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
What was the purpose of Mrs Stanley's visit? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
She wanted to change her will quite radically, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
so that Mr Powell inherited 50% of her estate. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
During my time as a police officer, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I've looked into a lot of guilty faces. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
I knew he'd done it. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
-Is it justice you're after, or revenge? -Both! I want both! | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
I am now willing to stand as a witness for the defence. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
You're never even here half the time! | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
I'm not the one swanning off for a week with my mates, am I? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
-Heaven forbid I spend five minutes away from you! -Five weeks more like! | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Give us a chance... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
Sorry. I have to get the keys. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
I've got to go. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
-Let me take you. -No, I'm fine. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
It's a big day today. How you feeling? | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Yeah, I'm OK, thanks. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
-Well, good luck. -Yeah, do yourself proud, mate. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Thanks. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
Oi! | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
Who are you? | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
Are you a copper? | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
Did Neil send you? | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
I'll find out who you are! | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
No chance! | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
What you got on today? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
Put it this way, it involves a donkey and a sanctuary. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
-Morning. -Morning. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
Jessica Stanley's agreed to stand as a witness for the defence. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
-Wow! That's great. -Yes, it is. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
I'm going to head down there early, smooth things over with the judge. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
What's with the atmosphere? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
You and Ridley - you could cut it with a knife. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
-It's nothing. -Well, it's clearly not "nothing". | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
We had a disagreement about lines of questioning the defendant. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
And you disagreed so vehemently with your pupil master that you fell out? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Mmm. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
If that's true, that's incredibly arrogant of you. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Unless this really is about something else? | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Mr Powell! Stop! Mr Powell, have you any idea... | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
-Get off me! -Calm down! -Calm down. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
-I don't want to calm down. -You need to calm down. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Take a deep breath. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
All right. Perhaps you want to hear some good news. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Jessica Stanley, Saskia's daughter, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
-has agreed to stand as a witness for the defence. -Mmm? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
That's good. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Yeah, so... plenty of things going our way. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Mr Powell. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
I'm not ready for this. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
-You're going to be fine. -I'm going to be right there with you. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
This is your chance to tell the jury what really happened. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Just stay focused. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Mrs Laytham? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
I'm Valerie Morney. I'll be representing you. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Erm, I just want you to know that, um, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
this was my son's idea, not mine. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Well, it was a good idea. You may not have been living together, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
but you were still married to your husband when he died and he hasn't left you a penny. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
-Well, that was his decision. -Well, that's as may be, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
but you're still entitled, under the Inheritance Act, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
for reasonable provision. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
Now, as it stands, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
your husband left his entire estate to a... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
donkey sanctuary. Is that right? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Now, I understand that your husband | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
was having an affair with your half-sister, Linda, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
at the time of his death, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
and it's her donkey sanctuary. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Is that correct? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Miss Morney, I have a very bad feeling about this. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Now I'm sitting here with you... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
I think I've changed my mind. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
But you have a very strong case. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
But I don't think I deserve his money. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
Mrs Laytham, this is the 21st Century. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Women aren't chatteled to be discarded at will. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
You had a 25-year marriage, raised two children, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
contributed your own income into these savings. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
-Yes, but... -But nothing. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
Let's go and get what's rightfully yours. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
Your Honour, I'd like to call Anthony Powell... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
to give evidence in his own defence. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
Mr Powell. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Let us begin by exploring the decision | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
to end Saskia Stanley's life. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Could you please tell the court, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:04 | |
whose idea was that? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
It was Saskia that first raised it. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
I was initially horrified. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
And do you know if she discussed the matter with her family? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
She did try and mention it to them, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
but they made it very clear that they were opposed. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
I regret now that we didn't try harder. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
Mr Powell, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
would you mind speaking up a little? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
And why is it you regret not trying harder, Mr Powell? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
It was naive. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
It wasn't fair on them. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
I can't tell you the pressure that I was under. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I wanted to do what was right for Saskia. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
I wanted to fulfil her wishes, but, er... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
..that's not the route that I'd have chosen. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
I found that very difficult to, er... | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
..to reconcile. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Would you like a glass of water? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Excuse me, if we could... | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Thank you. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
It didn't need to come to this, Myriam. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
We can sort it out, it's not too late. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
I'm not changing my mind, Linda. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
Do you know why Jeffrey didn't leave it to you? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Because you'd have taken it to your grave with you, you skinflint! | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
He was desperate to get away from you! | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
Do you know what it was like living with your penny-pinching? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
Querying every bill, vetoing foreign holidays, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
sending presents back? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-You made his life a misery! -If you are in any way threatening my client, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
I will ensure to bring it to the attention of the judge. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
-Are you OK? -I think Linda's right. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Maybe I don't deserve the money. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
I wasn't much of a wife. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
I never really liked the man. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
I was glad when he shacked up with her. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
Never said that before. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Sounds like you endured a hard marriage for 25 years. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
The least you deserve is some financial recompense. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Maybe you're right. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Would you like a sandwich? | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
I've already eaten, thank you. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
So let's talk about you and, er, Saskia, Mr Powell. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
Would you tell us about when you first met? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
She came into my garage. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
My mate Karl dared me to ask her out. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
I didn't think she'd say yes. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
-And then what happened? -We started seeing each other, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
and very quickly realised that we'd really fallen for each other. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
This is a court of law, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
not an extract from a lonely hearts column, Your Honour. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Understanding the nature of the relationship | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
is important, is it not? | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Your Honour. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
Mr Powell, we've heard from Saskia's ex-husband, Neil Stanley. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
What do you say to his assertion | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
that you were only interested in Saskia for her money? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I think it's insulting. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
He knows we were in love. He's just... | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Just what? | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
Just jealous. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Doesn't want anyone else having what he couldn't. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
So when did things start to go wrong | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
There was always a problem with the family. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
They treated me like the interloper, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
which I could kind of understand, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
but put an awful lot of pressure on us. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
I thought it'd get better with time, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
but it actually got a lot worse. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
Just having lunch with Jess and Dan. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
-No, I'll come back. -No. This is crazy. Come through. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
Look who dropped by. Have you eaten? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
-Mum! -Grab a seat and help yourself. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Jess was just teasing me for embarrassing her. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Well, you were! | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
All I asked was, is Nick ever going to make a decent woman of her! | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
That's what mums are for, asking embarrassing questions. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
You think I'm going to sit here and play happy families? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
You know how he feels. Don't rub his face in it. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
I'm going to go and find him. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
You let him act like a spoilt child. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
I don't need parenting advice, Tony. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
He acts as his dad's spy. He'll be running back to spill the beans. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Well, what am I supposed to do about it? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
Well, something's got to give! I don't know... | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
-Tell them you won't see them again unless they accept me. -I'm not forcing them to make a choice! | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
Well, then you've made yours, haven't you? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
It was her again. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
She knows you're here, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
you can't keep ignoring her for weeks on end. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
You were really keen on her. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
You gave up too easily. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Yeah? Well, you've not met her family, have you? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
She said it was urgent. Said to pass on a message. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
And you've passed it on, thanks. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
You haven't returned my calls. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
-Let's leave it as it is and save ourselves some heartache. -I've got something to tell you. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
What is it? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
-Are you seeing someone else? -Oh, God, I wish. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
I really wish that was it. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
What is it, Saskia? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
I have bone cancer. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Advanced. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
But it's curable, right? | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
I have a year. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
Maybe less. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
This can't be right. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
It can't be. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
Well, I'm not bloody making it up. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
You were the first person I thought of when they told me. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
I'd like you to be there for me. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
I don't care what anyone else thinks. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
I love you. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
I'll do anything you want me to. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
'It was an easy decision to make.' | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
If she wanted me there, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
I wanted to be there for her. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
But tell us about your involvement in helping Saskia end her own life. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
Saskia brought it up. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
She researched it on the internet. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Pointed out the stockpile of diamorphine kept in the house. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
And we, er... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
We watched the doctor with the syringe, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
and the way that he put the needle into the arm. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
And how far were you willing to go to help her? | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
She was adamant that I could prepare the syringe, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
but she had to make the injections. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
She didn't want me accused of anything. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
She'd be really upset if she could see me here now. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
That is highly speculative, Your Honour. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Indeed. Let's stick to the facts, shall we? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Mr Powell, what were you going to do if, for some reason, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Saskia had been unable to inject herself? | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Was there a back-up plan? | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
She was 100% clear - | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
it had to be her. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
She wasn't going to fail. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
She was too determined. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
And what was your view? | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
I wouldn't have done it. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
I couldn't have lived with myself. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
Ms Byrne, I understand from your statement | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
that you were shocked to discover | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
that Mr Laytham had left his entire estate to your donkey sanctuary? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
-I was. -And you've also made it very clear that, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
that despite your intimate relationship, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
you played no part in persuading him to alter his will? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
He must really have loved the work that you do at the donkey sanctuary? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Jeffrey was an animal lover. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
He understood the contribution that we were making. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Absolutely. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
I wonder if he was aware that you're not actually a registered charity? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
I'm not sure that would have concerned him. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
He saw for himself the good work that we were doing. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
I'm sure. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
Incidentally, how many donkeys are you currently caring for? | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
Ms Byrne? | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
We're in a period of transition, so it's completely unrepresentative. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
We're doing major renovations and many of our donkeys... | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
Just for the record, how many do you have right now? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
20, 30? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
Just a ball-park figure. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Two. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
But I think this question is entirely unfair. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
-What are their names? -I'm sorry? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
The two donkeys. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Do they have names? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Yes. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
Cameron... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
And Clegg. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
And, once you've deducted wages and turnover, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
how much did the sanctuary have to spend on the donkeys | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
in the last year? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
It was less than 40,000. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
So, just less than 20,000 for Cameron, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
and 20,000 for Clegg. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Must be the most pampered donkeys in Britain. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Would you say you were an institution | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
that needed over half a million pounds right now, Ms Byrne? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
I was out of order last night, Julie | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
It's not your fault Meztler's trying to wind me up. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
He does a pretty good job of it. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Point taken. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
There really wasn't ever anything between me and Valerie, by the way. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
I did wonder. She's kind of scary! | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
So, are we friends again? | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
But... | 0:20:05 | 0:20:06 | |
maybe we should back off a bit, you know? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
I shouldn't be asking you personal questions. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
Be a bit more professional, you know? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
Yeah, you're probably right. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Did you help Saskia write the goodbye note? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
No. | 0:20:58 | 0:20:59 | |
She asked me to get her a pen and paper, that's all I did. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
-Did you tell her what to write? -Not at all. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
It's 10.48pm, this concludes the interview at this time. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
We'll have more questions for you in the morning. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Can I go? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
You're under arrest on suspicion of murder, Mr Powell. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
You'll stay here in custody. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Hang on. We've not talked about the videotape. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
What videotape? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
We made it together. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
It explains everything. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:26 | |
It was in her bedroom, you must have found it. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
There was no videotape, Mr Powell. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
That's not true! | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
Look, get one of your men to go back and check the scene! | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
You have to find it! | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
Now, this is the part I really enjoy! | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
I'd like to remind the jury | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
of the CCTV footage captured | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
after you left Mrs Stanley's dead body and exited the house. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:18 | |
This is less than an hour after she died. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
What are you doing? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
Tell the court what you're doing. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
I was having something to eat and a drink. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
You had a pint of beer | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
and some fish and chips, is that right? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
Yes. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
Yes. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
Let's just look at that image, shall we? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
A man helps kill his partner. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
And his first response is to treat himself to a pint of beer | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
and some fish and chips. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
Just what you need after an ordeal. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
I was in a daze. I felt faint. I just needed something to eat. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
And the beer, that would help with feeling faint, would it? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
See, I suggest you were not in shock, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
I suggest you were relieved. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Not true. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:08 | |
You'd planned it, you'd seen it through, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
and you deserved a pint and a fish supper | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
because it was over now. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
That is not the case. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
If you were in shock and upset, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
would it not rob you of your hunger, than lead you to the nearest chippy? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
Objection, Your Honour. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
-That's a ridiculous line of questioning. -I don't think so, Mr Ridley. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
-The defendant's hunger, or lack thereof, is no reflection of his grief. -You may continue, Mr Metzler. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
So then... | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
after you returned to the house, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Neil Stanley called the police and you were arrested. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
You were questioned by the police for three hours. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
During those three long hours, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
you never mentioned the word "videotape". | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
But, lo and behold, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
upon conclusion of the interview, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
suddenly it all comes flooding back to you. Why is that? | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
I was in a complete state. I couldn't think straight. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Straight enough to have a pint and a fish supper, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
but not enough to recall an apparently crucial piece of missing evidence? | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
I was in grief. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
I was in a terrible way. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
You don't know what it's like! | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
And what was on this mythical missing videotape? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:23 | |
Saskia had recorded a message for her family, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
explaining why she'd done what she did. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
And exonerating you? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
Yeah, I guess so. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
But it's never been found. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
Why is that? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
I don't know. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
And you never mentioned it until you knew how much trouble you were in. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
That's not how it was. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Looks like it, though. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
Doesn't it? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
It doesn't exist, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
does it, Mr Powell? | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
-Of course it does. -So, where is it? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
I don't know. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
We don't doubt that Mr Laytham was motivated by altruism | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
and wanted to see the sanctuary thrive. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
But his wife has not received adequate provision, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
and so we submit | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
that half of the estate now be given over to Mrs Laytham, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
and that should include the family home. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
We also request that the court | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
order an audit of the donkey sanctuary's accounts, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
to confirm where the money is, in fact, being spent. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
And finally, we request that the court requires Ms Byrne | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
to nominate an alternative donkey sanctuary | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
should her own venture fail financially. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
After all, we wouldn't want any donkeys missing out | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
on Mr Laytham's generous provision for them. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
Welcome to the 21st century. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
You are now an independent woman of means. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
I am, aren't I? | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
I'll deal with this. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:01 | |
No, it's fine. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
You have trampled all over Jeffrey's wishes. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Who gives a damn about Jeffrey? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Jeffrey was a stupid bore. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
I'm glad he's dead, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
and I can't wait to get his money. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
You see? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
This is what she's like! | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Oh, don't tell me you fell for the "poor little Myriam" act? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
Well, more fool you. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
I won't forgive you for this. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Oh, I think I can probably manage to live with that. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Well, thanks your help, Miss Morney. Goodbye. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
Oh, you may notice when you receive my payment, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
it's a little reduced. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
I've always thought you lawyers were overpaid. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
So, we're to assume | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
that you had no knowledge | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
of how much Saskia Stanley was worth? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
We never talked about money. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Karl tells me the garage has money worries. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
But you did spend time in her large, modern, comfortable house? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
Yes. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:28 | |
Yes. And you were included in her Mercedes sports car insurance? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
For a little while. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
And you were taken on holiday to, erm... | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Corsica, for two weeks in a luxury five star villa, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
paid for by Mrs Stanley. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:44 | |
I paid for the flights. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
Mrs Stanley paid for everything else. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
In the meantime, your own business had amassed debts of over £100,000 | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
and you had been threatened with legal action | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
on no less than four separate occasions. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
I don't recall. | 0:27:58 | 0:27:59 | |
No. So, you had no need to know how much Saskia was worth, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
because it was obvious, wasn't it? | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
-Saskia and I were together because we were in love! -Yes. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
And so diligent was your care of her | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
that you even drove her to the solicitors | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
when she changed her will in order to make you the main beneficiary. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
So? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
So?! | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
You never discussed the will? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
-No. -Or her wealth? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
Or your financial problems? | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
No! | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
I put it to you, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:31 | |
that you knew how much Saskia was worth. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
You couldn't wait, you needed her money, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
and so you killed her, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
and you went off and you had a pint and a fish supper to celebrate. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
That is not what happened! | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
After you were arrested, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:45 | |
you realised just how much trouble you were in, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
and so you invented the story of a videotape that would clear you. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
The videotape is real. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
-So where is it? -You tell me! | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
HE GUFFAWS | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
I don't know, Mr Powell! | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
Do you have any theories? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
It was there when I left Saskia. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
-It was there when I went out. -Was it there when you got back? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Well, obviously not! | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
-Who took it then? -I'd have thought that was obvious. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Well, why don't you share that information with us? | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
If you have a theory as to its whereabouts, Mr Powell, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
you need to share that with the court. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
I think Neil Stanley took the tape. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
He was the first person on the scene, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
and he had plenty of reasons to want to stitch me up. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
Just to clarify. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
You're accusing Mrs Stanley's ex-husband, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
a policeman of 20 years experience, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
of stealing a piece of evidence | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
in order to frame you? | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Hmm? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
Do you have any concept | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
of the severity of that accusation? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
I know what I believe. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
Well, there are no further questions, Your Honour. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
Tony Powell is going down. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Oh, yes! | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
He got proper caught out today. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
What happened? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
Well, he started to ramble on about this videotape. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
Even accused me of nicking it. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
That's the sort of scumbag he is. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
What if there was a tape though, Dad? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
There wasn't. He's lying. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
He made it up after he was arrested. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
You don't know that. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
I was first on the scene. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
So? Can you not entertain the idea that it might exist? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
What's got into you? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
What if you're wrong? | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Yeah, what if you are, Dad? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
Have you seriously thought about that? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
I'm not. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
Can we eat? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
It's going to feel bad. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
That's what those barristers are paid to do - ask nasty questions. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
But it doesn't mean the jury's not going to believe you. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
Look, we don't have to talk about the trial, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
but it'd be nice to talk about something. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
You patched things up with Nicole yet? | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
Hardly. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:54 | |
Listen, mate, I don't think you can come back tonight. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
That bad, is it? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Think she wants out. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
I'm going to try and talk some sense into her, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
but I feel terrible you being on your own tonight. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
You can always come over later. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Why? What do you think I'm going to do? | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
I'll be fine on my own, mate. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
Better hope our witnesses perform better than our client. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
Maybe Metzler's done us a favour. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
I mean, do juries think cops are whiter than white these days? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
I bet they don't. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:33 | |
It's all out in the open now anyway, there's not much we can do. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
-Good day? -Don't ask! | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
I don't know about anyone else, but I could do with a drink. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
Afraid I've got a dinner date. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
I'm busy fact-checking Jess Stanley's witness statement. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
-Come on, just a quick one. -Nah, I'm OK. But thanks. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
What's with her? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
Your pupil master asks if you want a drink, you bloody well say yes. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
Or haven't you resolved your legal differences yet? | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
What legal differences? | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
She said you fell out this morning. What was it about precisely? | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
Why do I feel like I'm walking into a trap? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
You tell me. I didn't set it. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
It wasn't about the case, was it? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
What do you want, Valerie? | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
Watch yourself. You wouldn't want Gordon on the warpath. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
I know that Gordon doesn't want Julie voted in. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
Then don't give him unnecessary ammunition. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
Such as? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
Anything. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
Just saying. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
And now you've said. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
There's nothing going on | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
except in your vivid imagination. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
Hmm. Mine or yours? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
What are you up to? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Just a bit of paperwork. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
Do you fancy going away at the weekend? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
I can't. I've got a lot of work on. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
Well, next weekend? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
So you've just thrown the towel in then? | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Do you want me to be honest? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
I don't think there's anything here any more. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
-Not for me. -And that's that, is it? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
Come on, Karl, we've been arguing for two years. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
Have you not had enough? | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
I'm going to go to Michelle's. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Might be back later. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Tuck in. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
Jess, can we not just have a nice evening without arguing about stuff? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
Yeah? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
We can't agree about everything, I understand that. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
Jess, love? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
There's no easy way of doing this. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
I've been asked to give evidence. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
It's too late. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:28 | |
Not for the defence, it isn't. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
What do you mean? | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Mum asked me what I thought about euthanasia, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
about two months before she died. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
I told her I thought it was a horrible idea. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Your mum talked about a lot of things. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
I don't think Tony killed her. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
And you're going go into a court and defend him? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
I'm going to say what I saw, and heard, and what I believe. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
That's all. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
Have you made a statement to his solicitor? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
Yeah. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
-Why didn't you say? -Why do you think? | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
I think you've lost your mind, love. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
You need to withdraw that statement, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
tell them that you weren't in your right mind. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
I'm doing it! I am definitely doing it. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
-No, you're not! -Dad, I've made up my mind... | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
You will NOT help that man get away with murdering my wife! | 0:36:26 | 0:36:32 | |
He's got to pay. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
And you are not getting in the way of that! | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Hi. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
Hi. | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
You should go home. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Just what I was thinking. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
Well, at least Gordon saw me hard at it. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
-Well, there's a brownie point. -As if he gives me any of those! | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
So, what are you doing? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:23 | |
Just got a bit of reading | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
and then I'm going to head off too. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
Unless you wanted to change your mind about that drink? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
Sorry, I forgot. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
We're being above-board and professional, right? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Right. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
No personal chit-chat, no out-of-hours socialising? | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Apparently so. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
Well, good night then. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
I'll see you tomorrow. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Yeah. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
I thought you'd gone. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
Tell me if I've got this wrong. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
Hello? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
Nicole! You scared me half to death. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
I know, I had to see you. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
Look, you shouldn't be here. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
Yeah, I know, I know, but I want to be. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
I realise that now. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
Look, we can pick things up from where we left off. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
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