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With regard to his memory loss, he could be feigning, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
exaggerating or simply... | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
malingering. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
Now, I feel I have no choice, other than to remand her to the | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Seapark Juvenile Justice Centre in Bangor. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
I don't care what you do. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
The only one who's honest is Paul. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
The police say they have fresh evidence to put to Spector. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
What sort of evidence? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
Apparently they have found a lock-up rented by Spector. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Why are you in this place? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
I twisted my sister's arm. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
After he broke his sister's arm, he raped her... | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
and carried her into the street, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
threw her into a passing bin lorry that crushed her to death. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
No-one has any idea how bad Gortnacull House was. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Are you certain that Baldwin, Paul Spector, was Jensen's favourite? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
Every night and every day for a full year. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Paul Spector, I am further arresting you for the murder of | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
Susan Harper on the 18th of August 2002. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
I insist this interview be suspended. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
I must take instruction from Mr Spector. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Do you recognise this man? Do you know his name? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
David Alvarez. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
This interview stops now. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
What is going on? | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
The police have been clever. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
They have something on me that I can actually remember. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
This programme contains some violent scenes, some strong language | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
I'd worked that day, in a Caribbean restaurant. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
It was a warm day. There was thundery rain. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
David and I went out after work, went out drinking. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
We went to a local club, I can't recall the name. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
We met Susan Harper there. She invited us to her house. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
I think she shared a house, but there was no-one there. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
We went up to her room. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
The three of you? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
Yes. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
What happened? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
She and David had sex. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
And you? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
I watched. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
What sort of sex? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:01 | |
Ordinary sex. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
What happened then? | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
David left. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
He went out to find more drink. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
He left us together. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
Go on. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
We, erm... | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
I invited her to try something a bit different. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
What? | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
A sex game. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
What happened was an accident. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
A consensual game? | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
Yes. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Then how did this David Alvarez individual come to be found | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
guilty if he wasn't even there? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
And why murder, why not manslaughter? | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
It's complicated. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
Did David Alvarez find somewhere to sell him drink? | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
I don't know. He never came back. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Could I please have some water? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
-CLEARS HIS THROAT: -Have you, erm... | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
..remembered more in regard to the other charges? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
No. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
It will look bad if you stop answering now. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
Erm...just be careful what you say. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
So at that point you were left alone with Susan Harper? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Yes. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
What happened then? | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
I suggested that she tried something, erm, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
a bit more exciting than the sex that she'd had with David. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
What? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
I'd been experimenting. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
With? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Exhibit 132. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
I've never seen these before. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
-You admit it's you? -He admits no such thing. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Experimenting like that, with sexual asphyxiation. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Is that the sort of behaviour you involved Susan Harper in? | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
I advise you not to answer that question. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Yes. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
How? Specifically. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
Her head in a plastic bag. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
Tied off at the neck? | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
No, just a thin plastic bag. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Did you tie her hands? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
No, her hands were free. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Was it your suggestion to use the bag? | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Yes. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Why? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:13 | |
For the same reasons as in these pictures, to feel in control, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
to feel out of control... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
to feel powerful, to feel weak, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
to be fearful, to be trusted. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
Were you supposed to remove it? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
She was...at the peak of orgasm, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
to tear off the bag, it floods | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
the brain with oxygen-laden blood, leads to a feeling of euphoria. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
Or death. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Sadly, yes. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:46 | |
Sadly? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
Did she understand the risks involved with such behaviour? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
I think so. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
Did you explain it? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
I don't remember. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Why didn't you remove the bag for her if she lost consciousness? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Could you not see she was suffocating? | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
I wasn't looking at her. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
I was going down on her. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
We'd been drinking, taken coke. Maybe that's why she died. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
And yet David Alvarez, who wasn't even there at the time, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:22 | |
is serving a life sentence for the murder. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
His choice. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
Why would he make that choice, do you think? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
I don't know. You'll have to ask him. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
So what did you do when you realised what had happened? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Did you call for an ambulance? Did you call the police? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
-No. -Why not? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
It didn't occur to me. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
What did you do? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
Cleaned up. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
Does that account for the presence of a washing-up bowl by the bed? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Yes. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
I fetched the water and washed her. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Emptied it into the bath. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
I was meant to bring it back to the kitchen. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
I must have forgotten. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
What colour bowl? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
Green, I think. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
So you just left her there, in her room? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
On her bed? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Yes. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
What did you do then? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
I walked the streets. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
And after that? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
Left London. I came back to Belfast. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
And that's when you became Paul Spector? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
-Yes. -Did you have any communication with David Alvarez? | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
No. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
-At no point? -No. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
I ask you again, why would he take the blame, do you think? | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
He must have felt he was doing the right thing, I suppose. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
And why would he think... | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
..taking the blame was the right thing to do? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
You tell me. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
He said he felt in your debt. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
She speaks. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:03 | |
He said he felt he owed you a great deal. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Because you protected him as a child. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Did I? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
You told me... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
that Father Jensen didn't abuse you at Gortnacull. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
You said that you made yourself repulsive so that | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
he wouldn't touch you. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
I don't remember that. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
I don't recall talking to you before. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
But every boy there was abused in some way. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
No-one escaped. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
In fact, some boys were singled out for special treatment. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
And you were one of Father Jensen's favourites. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
He even had a pet name for you. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
He called you "Pretty Boy". | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
He chose you to be his favourite for a whole year. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
When it came time for you to choose your successor... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
..you looked right past David Alvarez. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
You chose another boy. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
And, for that, he was eternally grateful. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Or at least until it became clear that the friend that he was | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
protecting from an unfortunate fatal accident | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
was actually a friend who was, at that time, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
at the beginning of a career as a serial murderer. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Drop the charade, Peter. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
Own your confession. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
Have the courage of your convictions | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
and admit that you remember it all. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
You remember everything. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I'm sorry, but you are intentionally prejudicing my client's case. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
I will want this removed from the transcripts. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Were you not worried that the police would come after you? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Come after Peter Baldwin, do you mean? | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
Of no fixed abode somewhere in London? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
No, I wasn't. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
A year later I was Paul Spector, living in Belfast, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
soon to become a married man with a child. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
Truth be told, I didn't give Alvarez and Susan Harper much thought. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
You know, I've been told a lot about Paul Spector, since I was shot. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:41 | |
At first I was horrified, but then, I must admit... | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
..little by little, he's started to intrigue me. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Paul, please stick to the facts surrounding the death of | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Susan Harper... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
and avoid speculating about things you can't remember. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
The speculation intrigues me. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
I'm told that I laid out Sarah Kay's underwear on her bed, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
in the shape of her body. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
That's what I used to do as a child. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Lay out my mother's clothes on her bed, in her shape, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
imagine she was there. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
It aroused me. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
When I was a wee bit older, 12, 13, whenever I could, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:45 | |
I would obtain female underwear. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
I'd use it to masturbate. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
Is that perverse? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
Was that the start of something that led me here? | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Or was it earlier? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
Gortnacull? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
Or earlier still, my mother's death? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
I want to know. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
I want to know the real me. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
Then stop hiding behind the mask of amnesia. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
We're all wearing masks to some extent. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
You certainly are. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
There are memories, thoughts that feel like memories... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
..that are starting to come back to me. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:41 | |
This interview has strayed way beyond its stated purpose. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
And there's a voice. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
There's a voice saying, "We're losing him, we're losing him." | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
So, there must have been at least one person who cared | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
whether I lived or died. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
That was me. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
That was my voice. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
And I did care. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
I thought death would be too easy for you, too easy an escape. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:23 | |
And I didn't want you to cheat the system. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
And I still don't. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
I want you to be punished for the crimes that you've committed. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
Rose Stagg was so right about you. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
She saw right through you, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
your infantile desire to have a captive and captivated audience. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:52 | |
You just want to be noticed, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
you want to be the centre of attention, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
to have special treatment, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
to make your mark. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
But it's all just a performance. All of it. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
You perform for me, for your solicitor, your doctors, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
your nurse, your psychiatrist, even your family. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
It's all just one big performance... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
..as protection against the dreaded black hole of your heart. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:36 | |
Well, guess what, Paul, it's time to grow up. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
It's time to take responsibility for what you've done. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Let's stop this pathetic charade. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
I really must insist on a break now. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
I need time with my client to prepare | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
a written statement about the death of Susan Harper that he will read. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
Interview is being suspended at 15.47 so that Paul Spector | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
can consult with his solicitor. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
Fetch the detention officer. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
ALARM BLARES | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
ARM SNAPS | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
SHOUTING | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
BURNS SHOUTS | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Get your hands off me! Get your hands off me! | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
Don't touch me! Do you hear me?! | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Don't you put your hands on me! | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Have you been drinking? | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
You, escort Mr Healy out of here! You... | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
where's that fucking ambulance?! | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
It's all right. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
It's all right, it's all right. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
Drive. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
Drive! | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
HE SOBS | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
I'm shaking. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:01 | |
How much did you see? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Erm, my monitor went dead. The attack on Gibson. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
It didn't stop there. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
What a way for the whole thing to end. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
End? What do you mean? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
We can't possibly represent him now. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
Why not? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
I've never seen violence like that before in my life. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
What have we just witnessed? The very thing you described. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Their deep obsession with each other. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:23 | |
The emergence under duress of "Bad Paul". | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
If Larson doesn't find evidence of dissociative disorder, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
a split personality, then we will find a psychiatrist who does. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
Then we play the "not guilty by reason of insanity" card or even, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
if necessary, "guilty but insane". | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
I can't, Sean, I can't be in the same room with him again. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
I get it. You admire her. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
You want to be her when you grow up. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
The fact remains, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
if you can't make the accused your focus then you shouldn't be | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
a defence lawyer, probably not a criminal lawyer at all. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Fine. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
What? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
You're on your own. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
DOOR BUZZES | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
Open your mouth for me. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
Bring your teeth together. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Painful? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:46 | |
No, no. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
No crunching noises. Any problems with vision? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
No. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
I think you have a minimally displaced zygoma fracture. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
You're going to be on a soft diet for two weeks or so. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Though the bleeding's impressive, the lacerations small. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
Might require a stitch or two. Irrigate the wound with | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
lots of normal saline and I'll take a look. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
If you'd like to lie back on the bed for me, please. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
SHE GROANS | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
Any pain? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
Mmm. Some. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
-Shall I check for blood in the urine? -Yes, please. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
I'd like to keep you in overnight for observation. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
That won't be necessary. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Don't worry, it'll just be bed and breakfast. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
I'll be back to stitch that eyebrow. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Thought I'd look in on you before I go. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
What time is it? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Just after two. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
This is my ninth straight night in a row. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
I've been on for 17 hours. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
Getting too old for this. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:33 | |
I bet you're glad I saved his life. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
How's Tom Anderson? | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
His arm's broken. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
He's undergone a closed reduction to pull the bones back into position. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
-Oh, Jesus. -He's been sent home with his arm in a cast. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Given that you're less likely to develop | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
post-traumatic stress disorder if you don't sleep | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
after a bad experience, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
maybe I should...keep you awake a wee bit longer at least. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
Don't you have a home to go to? | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
I do. A wife and five kids, as it happens, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
from a daughter of 12 to a son of seven months. If I go home now, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
it'll be nappy changes and the four o'clock feed. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
Might as well sit with you for a bit. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I'll ask you questions. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
-Really? -Aye. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Go on. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
Do you like flowers? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Of course. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Can you play any musical instrument? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
I could play the violin when I was a girl. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
Have you ever been happy? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
If so, when? | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
When I was a child, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
before my father died. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Have you any real friends? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
A few, yeah. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:13 | |
Have you ever wished anyone dead? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Yes, I have. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
Are you a good swimmer? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Very. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Are men or women the stronger, do you think? | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
What do you think? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Oh, women, without a doubt. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
In fact, it's time you hurried up and took over. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
I mean, it's going to happen so why not get on with it? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Which is your favourite season? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
Spring. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
Has Mr Spector been a threat to himself or others in the past week? | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
There have been no more breaches of protocol since he's been back. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
Anything more from the test results? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Have you found any compelling inconsistencies? | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
No, I haven't. Which is unsurprising given his professional knowledge. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
I know it's in your nature to infer invisible unconscious processes | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
behind the memory loss and that it is an exceptional | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
doctor who will take the risk of concluding in writing that someone | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
is malingering but, with respect, that is what I think you should do. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:35 | |
Do you? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
The CT head scan with and without contrast was normal, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
the MRI of the brain and the spinal cord showed normal results. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
There's no evidence of structural brain damage in | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
the neurological examinations or neuroimaging. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
With his history of lying and everything that | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
he stands to gain from exaggeration and fabrication of the symptoms, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
the amnesia has to be malingered. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
He's proved how dangerous he is. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
It has to be fake. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
It's not me. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
What? | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
I look at my body and it's not me. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
It'll take a while to get used to, that's all. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
We've had a report, ma'am, from the Juvenile Offenders' Centre. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
It seems that Katie Benedetto has been self-harming. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
How? | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
Cutting herself with a piece of bone. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
What? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
They think she must have found it in her food at some point. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
Jesus. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
'Is there a happy memory from any part of your life | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
'that you can remember?' | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
I used to think that there was a black hole inside me | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
that nothing could fill. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Then I had a daughter. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
I remember the first time that I put her to sleep. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
I was standing, holding her in my arms, rocking her. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
I was looking at her all the time. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
She was looking up at me. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
I began to feel that she trusted me, that she felt safe. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
She must have done because her eyelids started closing... | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
..little by little, and then she was asleep. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
That's a good memory. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Why did you attack Stella Gibson? | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
Why did you break that young man's arm? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
There is a visible and an invisible world. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
That's why people get hurt. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Do you think I'm treatable? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
Of course. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
Curable? | 0:30:17 | 0:30:18 | |
Hmm, that's different. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
What would you do for me if I was your patient? | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Try to get you to pay attention wisely to things as they are. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
Foster clear thinking and open-heartedness. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Try to develop the capacity in you to experience | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
a feeling without necessarily acting on it. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Try to enable you to see the difference between thoughts | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
and reality. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
I'd imagine you're a good father. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
What do you mean by "good father"? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Someone who is present, there for his children. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
Has anyone ever told you you sometimes have bad dreams | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
that you can't remember? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
Has your mummy or your daddy ever told you that? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
Yes. Mummy took me to the doctor's one time. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Have you had any bad dreams since you've been staying with | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
-Joan and Stephen? -I don't think so. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
She hasn't. She's been sleeping well. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
Daddy said he had bad dreams like mine when | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
he was in the children's home. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Did he? Did he say what he dreamed about? | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
Frightening things. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
How do you feel about your daddy right now, Olivia? | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
I love him. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
But? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
I don't think I'll go see him for a while. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
How long do you think before you'll see him again? | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
When I'm grown up I might. Or if I have a baby. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
If I have a baby, I might go take her to see him. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
What happened to your face? | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
I was in a car accident. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
No, I wasn't. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Paul Spector attacked me. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
I've got marks like that. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
Show me. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
I can't. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
Why? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
They're on my upper thighs and on the soles of my feet. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
I didn't want anyone to know, to see them. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
They were private. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Why did you do it? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
I think for the same reason you do. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
What's that? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Anger. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
What did you have to be angry about? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
My father. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:45 | |
Why? | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
He died. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
How? | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
He was ill. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
How old were you? | 0:34:05 | 0:34:06 | |
14. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:08 | |
My father killed himself. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
I thought it was an accident. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
He chose to ride a motorbike. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
Even though I worried about him every time he went out... | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
..every night he was late home. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
He loved the bike more than he loved me. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
Loved the thrill of speed more than he loved his only daughter. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
I don't call that an accident. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Is that why you're throwing your life away? | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
You know you can't get him back. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
No matter how hard you try. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
There was a man of double deed, Who sowed his garden full of seed; | 0:35:29 | 0:35:34 | |
When the seed began to grow, 'Twas like a garden full of snow; | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
When the snow began to melt, 'Twas like a ship without a belt; | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
When the ship began to sail, 'Twas like a bird without a tail; | 0:35:49 | 0:35:55 | |
When the bird began to fly, 'Twas like an eagle in the sky; | 0:35:57 | 0:36:03 | |
When the sky began to roar, 'Twas like a lion at my door; | 0:36:05 | 0:36:12 | |
When my door began to crack, 'Twas like a stick across my back; | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
When my back began to smart, 'Twas like a penknife in my heart; | 0:36:21 | 0:36:28 | |
And when my heart began to bleed... | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
..'Twas death, and death, and death indeed. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:42 | |
I need you to do me a favour. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
'STELLA: I know that everything feels tainted, polluted.' | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
But it's not. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
We all have those voices in our heads, that tell us we're | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
a disappointment, that tell us our work is insignificant. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
That it's not good enough, it takes too long, it's too hard. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
But when times are tough, we need tough dreams. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
But real dreams, not lies. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
Not an unreality like Paul. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
You need to fight for yourself, Katie, because right now... | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
..you're in danger. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
What's this? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
It's your chocolate. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
I don't want that chocolate. I want what he's got. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
Mark, you're diabetic. That's your special chocolate. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
I don't like special chocolate. I want what he's got. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
This stuff tastes like dog chocolate. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
I'm not eating dog chocolate! | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
I'm afraid it's this or nothing. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:49 | |
Then give me my money back. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
I've spent your money on the things you asked for. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
I want my money back! | 0:38:54 | 0:38:55 | |
Mark, calm yourself. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:57 | |
I'm not a dog. I'm not eating that shit. I refuse. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
Calm down, Mark, or you'll be restrained. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
What did you say to me? You called me a homosexual! | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
-I didn't call you anything! -You called me a homosexual! | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Calm down now! | 0:39:06 | 0:39:07 | |
SHOUTING | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
HUBBUB | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
ALARM BLARES | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
HE MOANS | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
'STELLA: We all need love and we all need nurture. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
'There's too much death and destruction.' | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
But friends who love you should... | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
..warm you like the sun. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
Make you feel good about yourself. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
Not freeze you in their contempt and in their hate. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Anger corrodes our belief that anything good can happen to us. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
Paul's been destroyed by his anger, his rage. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
And you, you hurt a friend, to impress him. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:02 | |
But he doesn't care. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
He doesn't even know you exist. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
SHOUTING CONTINUES | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
HE SCREAMS | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
Watch his head, watch his head. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
And out, and out. Let's go! Let's go. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
Go, go, go! | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
HE BANGS ON DOOR | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
Fuck off! That's right, fuck the lot of you! | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
Fuck off! | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
HE CHOKES | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
BREATHING STOPS | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
You and I were loved so much... | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
..even if our fathers couldn't stay around for us. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
Maybe we both need to be held while we grieve, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
but it has to be someone who can feel pain for our pain, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
not revel in it. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:30 | |
Not someone who will abandon us. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
LABOURED BREATHS | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
Sweet Jesus. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:10 | |
Somebody call for an ambulance! Call an ambulance. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
Where's Spector? | 0:45:14 | 0:45:15 | |
Where's Spector?! | 0:45:17 | 0:45:18 | |
Check the treatment room! The de-escalation room! | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Check the kitchen! | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
Shit! | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Bailey's room! | 0:46:10 | 0:46:11 | |
Oh, God! | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
Got him, got him. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
Quick. Mind his head, mind his head, mind his head. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
Get the belt, get the belt. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
Paul, Paul. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:39 | |
PHONE RINGS I'm sorry. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
Gibson. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:55 | |
OK. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
What is it? | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
-I have to go. -What's happened? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
I can't tell you. I'm sorry. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
Is it Paul? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
Bye, Katie. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:16 | |
Oh, God, Dr Larson, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:55 | |
Paul Spector, the man charged with the four recent murders | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
in the Belfast area... | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
was found dead last night in one of the bedrooms of | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
the Foyle Clinic where he was undergoing psychiatric assessment. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
This morning, an inquiry was launched into how he had come to die | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
whilst under level two observation by clinic staff. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
Spector, 32, was found dead at 9.31pm. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:42 | |
While efforts were made to revive him, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
he was certified dead by doctors at 9.51pm. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
The Foyle Clinic's leading clinician | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
was also injured during the incident. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
He is in hospital and in a stable condition. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
His injuries are not thought to be life-threatening. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
Another patient, Mark Bailey, 29, was killed. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
His family have been informed. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
An inquiry into his death is ongoing. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I can confirm that the PSNI are not looking for anyone else | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
in connection with the murders of Fiona Gallagher, Sarah Kay, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
Alice Parker Monroe or Joseph Brawley. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
An inquest will take place into each of those deaths. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
DCI Eastwood will oversee the preparation of those inquest files. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
In light of recent events, and as of today, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:37 | |
I am standing down from my position | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
as Gold Commander of Operation Musicman. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
In addition, the Chief Constable has accepted my resignation. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
I would like to take this opportunity to thank | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
Detective Superintendent Gibson for all her hard work, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
her dedication to duty and her leadership during the investigation. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:59 | |
Thank you. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:02 | |
I'm sorry, sir. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
Take care, Dani. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:11 | |
And you, ma'am. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
"In olden times, when wishing still did some good... | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
"..there lived a king whose daughters were all beautiful. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
"But the youngest was so beautiful that the sun itself, who indeed | 0:53:56 | 0:54:01 | |
"has seen so much, marvelled every time it shone upon her face. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:07 | |
"In the vicinity of the King's castle there was a large, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
"dark forest and in this forest, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
"beneath an old linden tree, there was a well. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
"In the heat of the day, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
"the Princess would go out into the forest | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
"and sit on the edge of the cool well. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
"To pass the time she would take a golden ball, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
"throw it into the air and then catch it. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
"It was her favourite plaything..." | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
"As she was lying in bed, he came creeping up to her and said, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
"'I am tired and I want to sleep as well as you do. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
"'Pick me up or I'll tell your father.' | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
"With that, she became bitterly angry and threw him against | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
"the wall with all her might. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
"'Now you will have your peace, you disgusting frog!'" | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
She's supposed to kiss him, not throw him against the wall. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
That's Disney. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
This is the real story. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
"But when he fell down, he was not a frog... | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
"..but a prince with beautiful, friendly eyes." | 0:56:38 | 0:56:43 |