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This programme contains some strong language.

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PHONE CHIMES

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They've found her, everyone! It's true.

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It's true. She's alive.

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We never lost faith.

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We look after our own.

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And we can't wait to welcome Shannon home.

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-ALL:

-SHANNON! SHANNON! SHANNON! SHANNON!

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SHANNON! SHANNON!

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Karen's not clever enough to have made all this up!

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Either that, or you're leaning over too far to make excuses for her.

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We just need you to confirm that it's her.

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Yeah, that's Shannon.

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Oh, Natalie. Fantastic news or what?

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Have you heard where they found her?

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No. Have you?

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CHEERING

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Hey, we showed 'em, eh, Petra?

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Oh, didn't we just!

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People that live round here, right, are just as good as anyone else.

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They're better!

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If anyone asks me where I'm from, right, I shan't just say Dewsbury!

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I shall say - "Moorside Estate, Dewsbury!"

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CHEERING

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Come here, Kinchie, let's have a picture.

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Oh, aye...

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Cheers, aye...

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So where did they find her, Kinchie?

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I can't discuss operational matters.

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Operational, my arse. There's all sorts of rumours flyin' around.

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Yeah, I don't doubt it.

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Yeah, like she were at Craig's uncle's?

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-No comment.

-So it's true?

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Julie...

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But we're all going to know soon enough anyway, Kinchie. Who is he, this uncle?

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Mick Donovan, they call him.

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Well, what's the story? How come she were with him?

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Homicide Team are still trying to ascertain that.

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They've only just been made aware of his existence.

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They discovered that he's not been in touch with any of

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Shannon's family since she disappeared.

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That's a bit bloody weird.

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-Here you go, then.

-Thanks, Mum.

-Pop.

-Pop.

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-Thank you.

-Thank you.

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Have you just made that one up? There you are, love.

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-Right, come on.

-Everybody all right. All right.

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All right. Are you not coming down?

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No, I'm not. I'm looking after this lot, aren't I?

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Bring 'em down - everyone else has took their kids.

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There's a massive party.

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ALL: YEAH!

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Yeah, well, I'm not sure there should be a party.

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ALL: Aww...

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What do you mean?

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No. Are you a wind-up?

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-Come in here.

-An elephant.

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I mean, till we find out what's gone on.

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All this stuff about Shannon at her uncle's and that...

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What's it matter, she's safe? Look, we deserve this.

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And what about Karen's reaction when they told her they'd found her?

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Did you see her face? There was hardly any emotion.

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She was shocked. How's she supposed to react?

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I'd have been screaming at 'em to let me see her.

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Yeah, well, that's you. Karen's different.

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I just think it's a bit premature to be partying.

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Yeah, well, bollocks to you, then.

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DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES

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You haven't asked how Shannon is?

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How is she?

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We don't really know.

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We're still trying to coax out her account of what happened.

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You haven't asked where we found her.

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Where did you find her?

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She was being hidden under a divan bed in the bedroom of

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a flat in Batley Carr.

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There was a man hiding with her.

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Was there?

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By the name of Michael Donovan.

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Do you know him?

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Nope, I've never even heard of him.

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ALL: Shannon! Shannon! Shannon! Shannon!

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CLAMOUR

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-Karen!

-Hey, Julie.

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Didn't I say we'd get her back?

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-Yeah, you did!

-You all right?

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Let me through. Karen.

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Natalie... Can we go in?

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Hate this lot gawping at us.

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-So...how is Shannon?

-Yeah, she's fine.

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When will she be home? We're dying to see her.

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-Dunno. Police haven't said.

-You must be desperate to have her back.

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-Yeah, I'm desperate.

-We both are. Desperate.

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What's this about her being wi' your uncle, Craig?

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-Oh, I don't know owt about it.

-Me neither.

-Well, hasn't Shannon said?

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Dunno. They're still not lettin' me talk to her yet.

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-Someone said he were called Mick Donovan.

-I don't know.

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And summat about he had his own kids took off him, and was accused of abducting 'em.

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Bollocks. He didn't abduct 'em, he just took 'em to Blackpool.

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-Do you know him, Karen?

-No, I've never even met him.

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-Yeah, you have, you were at me dad's funeral, and so were he.

-I don't remember that.

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Well, that's funny cos at piss-up after, you were sat on his knee.

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-You what?

-I never wor!

-I saw you! And I weren't t'only one.

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I don't remember sitting on no-one's knee!

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How can you not remember sittin' on a fella's knee?

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-I just don't!

-Oh, come on, Karen.

-Can we just drop all this?

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-It's doing me head in!

-It's doing mine in, an' all!

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Karen, come on, don't upset yourself. We're missing the point here, aren't we?

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The point is, we've found Shannon.

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She's safe and she'll be back home soon.

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-Yeah, we should do summat to celebrate.

-Yeah, bring it on!

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I've got it - a tree for Shannon!

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Bloody mint idea, Julie!

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Thanks, Julie, I love you!

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Right, Michael, can we go through this again, please?

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What exactly did Karen ask you to do?

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She said I were to look after Shannon...

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and then she'd report her missing.

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She actually said that to you?

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That she'd report her missing, even though she knew she was with you?

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-Yeah.

-And what did you say to that?

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I said I weren't happy about it.

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And what did she say when you told her that?

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She said that if I didn't do it, she'd get three lads onto me.

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Three lads, eh?

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And she said there'd be money in it for me.

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She actually said you'd get some money?

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She said I had to do what she said and if I told anyone else

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about it I'd be dead.

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So now you're saying she threatened you'd be killed?

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By these same three lads?

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Karen Matthews making death threats? Does that ring true to you?

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What did she actually tell you to do with Shannon?

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-I'm cold.

-Yeah, you've said that, Michael.

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That's why we've given you a blanket.

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Apparently, Donovan's neighbours had heard a kiddy's footsteps in

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the flat when he was out.

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So the coppers knock. No answer. They break in.

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It's all dead quiet.

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They're beginning to think they've drawn a blank.

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Next thing, one of them hears Shannon's voice.

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"You're frightening me now."

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They go in the bedroom. No sign of anyone.

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They start poking around and there she is,

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hidden in the base of a divan bed.

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-And Donovan's hiding with her.

-Was she all right?

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One of the neighbours said she saw a copper

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carrying her out a couple of minutes later.

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Cradled in his arms. Said she looked scared for her life.

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That's all I know.

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What about that?

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Oh, that's pathetic.

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It'll grow. Trees grow.

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This is a massive event. We want to make a massive gesture.

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And I would get a massive bollocking if I try and put that

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through on expenses.

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"Magnolia stellata. Ideal for the smaller garden." There you are.

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Here, grab it.

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-Bloody hell, Julie!

-Size isn't important.

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-Never heard you say that before!

-Me neither, Julie!

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So, when's the ceremony?

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Tonight. It's going to be mega.

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They're taking us to t'police station.

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-What, to see Shannon?

-Yeah, probably.

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Oh, how long will you be? We've got the "Tree For Shannon" tonight.

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Sorry, I can't say.

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OK, well, we'll postpone if we have to. Who's looking after t'kids?

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-Craig's mum.

-Give Shannon our love!

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Yeah, we'll give her your love.

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They're taking Karen to see Shannon.

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Hmm...

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-If I were t'police, I'd want to ask them some questions too.

-Why?

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I don't know, Julie, but something's not right here.

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If there's owt wrong, police'll get to bottom of it.

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You reckon?

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You're not letting me see her.

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I don't even know why you've brought us here.

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Cos it's like a bloody circus at your house.

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We can't talk to you properly.

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-What's there to talk about.

-Michael Donovan, for one.

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I've told you, I've never even met him.

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Even though a number of witnesses claim they saw you sitting on

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his knee at Craig's dad's funeral?

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I'd remember! If I'd sat on his knee, I'd remember, wouldn't I?

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You'd think so.

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And I wouldn't even sit on someone else's knee when I'm wi' Craig.

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Especially a bloke like Mick Donovan.

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So you do know him.

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You must have been surprised when you heard where Shannon had

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been found?

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Yeah, I were, dead surprised.

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Did you ever think to yourself that your Uncle Mick might have her?

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No, I didn't.

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You didn't wonder why he'd not been in touch to ask after Shannon?

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-I had other things to think about.

-Mm, yeah, course.

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Has he been in touch with any other members of the family over

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-the last three weeks?

-No.

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Has he been in touch with Karen?

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Karen says she doesn't know him.

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Is that true?

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I don't know.

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Did you have any idea that Donovan intended to take Shannon?

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-No, I didn't?

-Did Karen?

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How could she, if she doesn't know him?

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How do you get on with Shannon and Karen's other children, Craig?

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-You've asked me that before.

-Well, I'm asking you again.

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Get on great. I'm a top stepdad.

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We've charged Mick Donovan with Shannon's abduction.

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Well, that's it, then.

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But he's telling us you were in on it with him.

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How?

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He's saying the two of you planned it.

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That you agreed he'd pick Shannon up from school,

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keep her at his flat, and split the reward money.

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Well, he's lying, then, isn't he? I weren't even in on it.

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Didn't even know where he lived nor nowt.

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But earlier, you said you didn't even know Donovan,

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now you've admitted you do.

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Had you had a thing going with Mick Donovan?

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No.

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Come on, Karen. Have you shagged him?

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No, I bloody haven't!

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SHE SNIFFLES

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REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS

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You all right, Natalie?

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Yeah, just helping out wi' Karen's kids.

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How come they've not brought Shannon back?

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Sorry, I can't talk about that.

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I don't get it.

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Well, to be honest, there's a lot we don't get, too...

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Look, I know you're Karen's mate,

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but if there's ever anything you think we should know...

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Yeah, well, like you say, she's me mate.

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And you're loyal to your mates, I'm sure.

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But I'm sure you want the truth as much as we do.

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Yeah, right.

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-Are they back?

-Yeah.

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-How's Shannon?

-They ain't got her.

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You what?

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I don't get it. Why won't they let her back?

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-They wouldn't tell us.

-That's fucking ridiculous.

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Unless there's summat t'police aren't happy with, Karen.

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-What you talking about?

-How were Shannon, anyway?

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We didn't see her.

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-Jesus, why not?

-They said it were procedure.

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Procedure?

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-She's your child, you can insist!

-I daren't, Julie.

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So what have you been doing all this time, if you haven't seen her?

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They've been mithering us t'death wi' questions.

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-With what questions?

-About Mick Donovan and that.

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-But I thought you said you didn't know him?

-I must have met him at the funeral,

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-but I didn't even know his name or nowt.

-But you sat on his knee?

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Will you stop going on about that, Natalie?

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-Yeah, what were you doing it for?

-Get off, will ya!

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-Well, you embarrassed him.

-I dunno. I were probably pissed.

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It's always t'same, it's always me people take it out on!

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I get bullied, and pushed around and I'm sick of it.

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Move! Move!

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But you've told t'truth, haven't you? You wouldn't lie to the police.

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No!

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Or to us?

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Course not, Julie! I'd never lie to you.

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You're me best friend.

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Then it'll all be all right.

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We'll have Shannon home back before you know it...

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And in t'meantime, we've got the, "Tree For Shannon"

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-to look forward to.

-Thanks, Julie. Dunno what I'd do without you.

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KAREN SNIFFLES AND SIGHS

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OK, everyone. We're gathered here for a very special occasion.

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It's an event that is many things.

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It's a celebration that Shannon's been found.

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Of the magnificent way this community has come together to love

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and support Karen and her family through their terrible ordeal.

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We're now going to plant this tree as an act of thanksgiving...

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and a symbol of what's happened here, for years to come.

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Julie...

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Here you are, Karen.

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CHEERING

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# Kum ba yah, my Lord,

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# Kum ba yah!

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# Kum ba yah, my Lord Kum ba yah! #

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That's Julie's trademark. Balloons.

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# Kum ba yah, my Lord

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# Kum ba yah

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# O Lord, Kum ba yah... #

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How come the police don't let Shannon home?

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I don't know.

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They can't still be talking to her about what happened.

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Yeah, there must be summat else.

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Like what? Why assume it's some sinister reason.

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We're only asking what a lot of people on the estate are asking.

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-Well, they can ask all they bloody like!

-No need t'get narky wi' us!

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-I'm not!

-You are, Mum!

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It's us that's backed you up right through all this.

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Even though you've hardly done owt for us ever since it all kicked off.

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You what? That's bloody cobblers!

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It's true, it's been Shannon, Shannon, Shannon,

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ever since it all kicked off!

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We've hardly seen you.

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Well, you're seeing me now, aren't you?

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But why are you still so obsessed with her?

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You'll understand when you've had kiddies.

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Oh, now what's gone off?

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Here. Hold them.

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Bloody hell. That's what I mean!

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Sod off!

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-Craig's been arrested.

-What for?

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Porn.

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What do you mean, porn?

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They've found porn on his computer.

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What kind of porn? Karen?

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I don't know! They've not told me owt.

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I'm afraid I can't talk about the reasons for his arrest.

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But the thing is, Karen's due to have her first proper contact with

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Shannon today.

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I didn't know.

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They told me not to tell anyone.

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Obviously, it's difficult timing but we don't want to let Shannon down.

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We need someone to look after her other kids.

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-I can do that.

-And I'll help out an' all.

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Karen?

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Thanks, Julie. You're always there for me.

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It's all right, love, don't worry. The kids will be fine wi' us.

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Thanks a lot, yeah.

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People don't get arrested for porn.

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-They do if it's kiddy porn.

-You think that's what it is?

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It's gotta be.

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Do you really think he's a paedo?

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If he's even looking at kiddy porn, he's a paedo in my book.

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You can't tell, can you?

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Can't tell what?

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If someone's a paedo, just by looking at 'em.

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Yeah, well, you can't tell who their victims are either.

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No, but... Sometimes you look at someone and...

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..you wonder.

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Yeah, maybe...

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Maybe so.

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Who were it?

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Baby-sitter. When I were six.

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What happened?

0:19:150:19:17

Sexually assaulted me...

0:19:190:19:20

I just remember me brother and sister battering on t'door,

0:19:250:19:27

wondering what were going on.

0:19:270:19:29

Jesus, Natalie, I'm sorry.

0:19:290:19:31

It's a long time ago. You try and move on.

0:19:340:19:37

Yeah. You do, don't you?

0:19:420:19:44

What, you too?

0:19:470:19:48

Me Dad. All through me childhood.

0:19:520:19:54

For better or worse, I said nowt...

0:19:580:20:01

and years later he remarried -

0:20:010:20:03

lass with kids.

0:20:030:20:04

I looked at those kids at the wedding reception and I thought -

0:20:060:20:09

"You can't risk them going through what you did."

0:20:090:20:11

So I went to t'police.

0:20:110:20:13

Bloody hell.

0:20:130:20:14

He got eight years.

0:20:140:20:16

Brave or what?

0:20:210:20:23

No, not brave.

0:20:230:20:25

Just wanted to try and protect them kiddies.

0:20:260:20:29

PHONE RINGS

0:20:380:20:39

Hello?

0:20:410:20:43

Speaking...

0:20:430:20:45

What, she wants me there?

0:20:480:20:49

Yeah, yeah, I can do that. But why?

0:20:520:20:55

OK, what about this orange one? Put that on.

0:20:580:21:02

I've already given 'em a proper dinner, they don't need crap.

0:21:020:21:05

What's all this about?

0:21:090:21:11

I'm afraid we can't say till Karen arrives.

0:21:110:21:13

I weren't born yesterday. I can see what's coming.

0:21:130:21:15

Karen has to be told first.

0:21:150:21:17

DOOR OPENS

0:21:170:21:18

Hiya, Julie.

0:21:200:21:21

Hiya, Karen love.

0:21:210:21:23

-Hiya, darlings.

-Hi.

0:21:230:21:24

What's happening, then?

0:21:290:21:32

Shall we move through here?

0:21:320:21:34

What for?

0:21:340:21:35

Just do as she asks, Karen, love, go on.

0:21:370:21:39

-What's going on?

-It's all right. Let's go in here.

0:21:390:21:42

Take a seat...

0:21:430:21:45

Sit down here, love.

0:21:460:21:48

Karen...

0:21:540:21:55

..we're going to have to ask you to give up your children.

0:21:560:22:00

What do you mean, give 'em up?

0:22:000:22:02

You're aware Craig's been charged with possessing child pornography?

0:22:020:22:04

I've already explained that to Karen.

0:22:040:22:07

In the light of that, we feel it's in the children's best interests

0:22:070:22:10

if we look after them while Craig goes through his court case.

0:22:100:22:13

-No! You're not having me kids!

-For their own protection.

0:22:130:22:16

But it's Craig been arrested, not me!

0:22:160:22:17

And hostility towards him on the estate might easily turn towards you.

0:22:170:22:21

-We cannot risk the children being exposed to that.

-No! You're not having 'em!

0:22:210:22:24

-Hopefully, this is just a temporary measure.

-Karen...

-No! You're not taking 'em!

0:22:240:22:28

Karen, love, if you don't give 'em up voluntarily,

0:22:280:22:30

-they'll just take them anyway.

-I can't give 'em up, Julie!

0:22:300:22:33

Listen to me!

0:22:330:22:34

If you don't agree, you'll never get 'em back.

0:22:340:22:37

Let 'em go and you have a chance.

0:22:370:22:40

-But they're me babies!

-I know, love, I know.

0:22:400:22:43

Will you... Will...

0:22:450:22:47

Can they not at least go and live with you, Julie?

0:22:470:22:50

I'd love that, but they'd never agree.

0:22:500:22:52

If you'd like to go back in and say goodbye to them now.

0:22:520:22:55

Oh, no...

0:22:550:22:56

Come on, Karen, love, they'll be OK.

0:22:560:22:58

No, I don't want to leave me babies! No, I can't...

0:22:580:23:02

-Come on Karen, love.

-No, I don't want to leave me babies.

0:23:040:23:06

Come on, you can do it, love.

0:23:060:23:08

I'm not leaving 'em, I don't want to leave 'em...

0:23:080:23:11

Come on, love, you can do it.

0:23:110:23:13

I don't want to...

0:23:130:23:16

Come on, Karen, you can do it, love.

0:23:160:23:18

How were Karen when she saw Shannon?

0:23:270:23:31

Sort of...blank.

0:23:310:23:34

Well, she'll have been in shock over what happened to Craig.

0:23:340:23:37

I don't know if that explains it.

0:23:370:23:39

Well, she weren't blank when the Social took her kids,

0:23:390:23:42

it tore her heart out.

0:23:420:23:43

Oh, cheers, love.

0:23:440:23:45

Thank you.

0:23:450:23:47

I'm glad you know when she's acting and when she isn't,

0:23:470:23:49

because sometimes I struggle.

0:23:490:23:51

Yeah, well, Natalie says that, and the others.

0:23:510:23:53

Bottom line is, Karen can be a div,

0:23:530:23:55

but she's told the truth about Shannon.

0:23:550:23:57

Are you sure?

0:23:570:23:59

Can't find anywhere, Karen.

0:23:590:24:00

You what?

0:24:010:24:03

I'm still trying to find somewhere for you to stay.

0:24:030:24:05

I've tried your parents.

0:24:050:24:07

I've told yer, they won't have me.

0:24:070:24:08

They said I'm dead to 'em since I got with Craig.

0:24:080:24:11

I've tried other family, women's refuges, hostels,

0:24:110:24:13

I can't find anyone.

0:24:130:24:15

Why can't I just go home? Or stop at Julie's?

0:24:150:24:18

You can't go back to the estate.

0:24:180:24:20

-Why can't she?

-We can't guarantee her safety.

0:24:200:24:23

How do you mean?

0:24:230:24:25

Because of Craig being arrested. It'll be all over the estate.

0:24:250:24:28

You think we'll go turn into a lynch mob?

0:24:280:24:31

No. But we can't risk it.

0:24:310:24:33

You're in luck. Your brother's agreed you can stop with him.

0:24:330:24:36

But he hates me an' all.

0:24:360:24:37

KAREN SIGHS

0:24:410:24:42

-We're calling him Liam.

-Has he had his first shit yet?

0:24:560:24:59

Hey, shut up, you.

0:24:590:25:00

Here have a hold, Mum.

0:25:020:25:05

You know me, I'm not sentimental about babies.

0:25:050:25:08

Who are you kidding? Hold your grandson.

0:25:080:25:10

BABY GURGLES

0:25:130:25:14

All right.

0:25:180:25:20

THEY CHUCKLE

0:25:200:25:21

Aww, oh, what a little cracker.

0:25:210:25:25

BABY GURGLES

0:25:250:25:27

You all right, Natalie?

0:26:010:26:03

Yeah. I'm just off to Asda.

0:26:030:26:05

I'll give you a lift.

0:26:050:26:06

'Well, it's hard to sleep, really, it's just...

0:26:170:26:20

'House doesn't feel the same without...'

0:26:200:26:22

..her not being there, really...

0:26:220:26:25

It just...

0:26:250:26:26

Just feels empty...

0:26:260:26:28

Whoever's got Shannon, please, let her go...

0:26:290:26:33

Her family's missing her, all her friends are missing her at school.

0:26:330:26:36

REPORTER: Have you any idea who may have her?

0:26:370:26:40

I think that...someone out there... who knows Shannon...

0:26:410:26:47

but probably...knows me as well.

0:26:470:26:50

What you watching that for, anyway?

0:26:500:26:52

I just want her home safe, really.

0:26:520:26:53

Belt up and make me a brew, will you?

0:26:530:26:56

-But Shannon's found.

-Brew! Now.

0:26:560:26:58

I just can't trust 'em.

0:26:580:27:01

REPORTER: Can you recall the last words you and Shannon exchanged?

0:27:010:27:05

"Bye, Mum. Love you."

0:27:050:27:08

CAMERAS CLICK

0:27:120:27:14

Look, I have told you everything I know and everything I've seen.

0:27:220:27:25

And I can tell you're not happy.

0:27:250:27:27

I mean, we've both seen things that have made us suspicious.

0:27:290:27:31

We both think she knows more than she's saying.

0:27:310:27:34

Yeah, but you're the copper.

0:27:340:27:36

It's your job to find out what it is.

0:27:360:27:37

I've tried, Natalie.

0:27:370:27:39

I've asked her questions till I'm blue in the face.

0:27:390:27:42

The whole force is under a lot of pressure.

0:27:430:27:46

This has been our biggest inquiry since the Ripper.

0:27:480:27:51

We've spent millions and we've still not really got any answers.

0:27:510:27:54

Yeah, but what can I do?

0:27:540:27:56

Try and get through to her.

0:27:560:27:58

Tell her she owes you the truth as a mate.

0:27:580:28:00

How? She's not picking up me calls. She won't answer me texts.

0:28:000:28:03

I don't even think we are mates any more.

0:28:030:28:05

And it's cos I keep asking her awkward questions.

0:28:050:28:08

Well, none of us are going to be happy till we do have the truth.

0:28:080:28:12

I feel like bloody thumping her, to be honest!

0:28:140:28:17

Thanks for the lift.

0:28:200:28:22

Oh! Oh, you shouldn't have.

0:28:350:28:37

I wanted to. Not every day me best mate becomes a grandma...

0:28:370:28:41

We are best mates, aren't we?

0:28:420:28:45

-Natalie's your best mate.

-No, you are now.

0:28:450:28:48

-Can't be easy for you, though.

-What?

0:28:500:28:54

Me prattling on about me new grandson. And you wi'out your kids.

0:28:540:28:57

You must be missing them like mad.

0:28:570:29:00

Yeah, I'm missing them like mad.

0:29:000:29:02

Do you mean that, Karen?

0:29:030:29:04

Course.

0:29:040:29:06

Missing 'em like mad.

0:29:060:29:07

Yeah, you're right! It's me!

0:29:120:29:15

-Karen, what you doing?

-What do you mean?

0:29:150:29:18

Drawing attention to yourself.

0:29:180:29:20

Well, I were only waving. They must have recognised me from t'telly.

0:29:200:29:24

Well, all that's over now. Shannon's been found.

0:29:240:29:27

You don't need any publicity any more.

0:29:270:29:29

But I like it when people recognise me.

0:29:290:29:31

Karen, pack it in!

0:29:310:29:34

You should be concentrating on getting your life back on track,

0:29:340:29:36

not farting around like some daft celebrity.

0:29:360:29:38

Don't get mad with me, Julie! Please!

0:29:380:29:40

Well, you need to start acting like a grown-up!

0:29:400:29:42

Otherwise, you'll never get Shannon back, or your other kids!

0:29:420:29:45

-I know, I know.

-That is what you want, innit?

0:29:450:29:47

-Course it is.

-Are you sure?

0:29:470:29:49

Honest. Why would I lie to you, Julie?

0:29:490:29:52

-I'd never lie to you.

-About anything?

-No, never.

0:29:520:29:55

And you've never lied to me about Shannon?

0:29:560:29:58

No, course not!

0:29:580:30:01

Will you stop being mad wi' me now? Please?

0:30:010:30:04

Hey, that's lovely.

0:30:100:30:12

Yeah, look,

0:30:140:30:16

I know I'm a... I'm a right tight arse but here...

0:30:160:30:19

-Oh, Julie! You can't give me that.

-Go on. Put it on.

0:30:190:30:21

Oh...

0:30:240:30:27

It's fab.

0:30:270:30:28

SHE SNIFFLES

0:30:300:30:31

Aw, thanks so much.

0:30:320:30:34

Mates for ever, eh?

0:30:370:30:38

Do you fancy an all-day breakfast?

0:30:460:30:48

Yeah. Yeah. Go on.

0:30:480:30:49

PHONE CHIMES

0:30:540:30:56

Look, we both know she's been lying to us.

0:31:120:31:14

-Lying about what, though?

-I don't know.

0:31:140:31:16

Well, if police haven't got her to admit she's doing owt wrong,

0:31:160:31:19

maybe there's nowt to admit to?

0:31:190:31:21

You don't really believe that, Julie.

0:31:210:31:23

Or you wouldn't have come round here.

0:31:230:31:25

I think it's eating away at you just as much as it is me.

0:31:250:31:29

All right. Fair enough.

0:31:290:31:31

Yeah, but what do we do?

0:31:310:31:34

Well, we have it out with her. You and me.

0:31:340:31:37

-Once and for all.

-How? She's not allowed on t'estate.

0:31:370:31:40

And even if she were, she wouldn't speak to me.

0:31:400:31:43

She knows I think there's something she's hiding,

0:31:430:31:45

and she's shit scared of me!

0:31:450:31:46

There's got to be a way, Natalie. I can't stand this any more.

0:31:460:31:50

They should be here by now.

0:31:550:31:56

Calm down, Julie.

0:31:560:31:58

Christine said it were her day off.

0:31:580:31:59

-If she said she'll do it, she will.

-Yeah, but suppose Karen refused?

0:31:590:32:03

She hasn't. Look...

0:32:060:32:09

Natalie's not going to batter me, is she?

0:32:250:32:28

Course not. They just want a chat.

0:32:280:32:30

KAREN BREATHES HEAVILY

0:32:360:32:37

All right, Karen?

0:32:460:32:48

Yeah, I'm all right, Julie.

0:32:480:32:50

-You're me friend, aren't you, Karen?

-Yeah.

0:32:500:32:52

-And your Natalie's friend?

-Yeah.

0:32:520:32:55

And you said, friends don't lie to each other.

0:32:550:32:58

-Didn't you?

-Did I?

0:32:580:33:00

Yeah, you did.

0:33:000:33:02

And er, the thing about friends is...

0:33:020:33:03

You can tell them absolutely anything?

0:33:030:33:06

I suppose. I still don't know why we're doing this.

0:33:060:33:08

-Because we've got some questions.

-Like what?

0:33:080:33:11

Did you know where Shannon was? All that time she were with Mick Donovan?

0:33:110:33:14

No! I keep telling everyone.

0:33:140:33:15

I know that's what you keep telling everyone.

0:33:150:33:17

But if the truth's summat different, we want to know.

0:33:170:33:20

There's rumours going round estate, you did know.

0:33:200:33:23

They're not true.

0:33:230:33:24

There's rumours going round estate, you and Donovan planned it,

0:33:240:33:27

to get reward money.

0:33:270:33:29

That's lies. I'd never have done that to Shannon for money.

0:33:290:33:31

-Is there some other reason why you'd do it?

-What other reason could there be?

0:33:310:33:34

-I don't know.

-That's why she's asking.

0:33:340:33:37

Is it owt to do with Craig?

0:33:370:33:38

I don't want to talk about Craig! I fucking hate him.

0:33:380:33:41

Why, cos of kiddy porn?

0:33:410:33:42

I hated him before that! I've hated him for ages!

0:33:420:33:45

-He's ruined me whole fuckin' life!

-Why?

0:33:450:33:48

Weren't you happy about how he were wi' your kids?

0:33:480:33:51

I don't want to talk about it! I wish I'd never fuckin' met him!

0:33:510:33:54

Because when you came to stay at my house,

0:33:540:33:56

I didn't think t'kids liked being around him at all.

0:33:560:33:59

Didn't you trust him with 'em, Karen?

0:33:590:34:01

I wouldn't stay with a fella I didn't trust with me kids.

0:34:010:34:04

I didn't want to do it!

0:34:040:34:05

KAREN SOBS

0:34:070:34:09

I didn't know how else to get out of it...

0:34:100:34:13

Get out of what? Being wi' Craig?

0:34:140:34:16

Karen, answer.

0:34:170:34:19

That were the day I were thinking of doing it!

0:34:190:34:22

What, you mean the day Shannon disappeared?

0:34:220:34:25

I had me bags packed and everything! But it all went wrong.

0:34:250:34:28

-How?

-Cos of Craig!

0:34:280:34:30

How do you mean?

0:34:300:34:31

I were going to leave while he were at work,

0:34:310:34:33

but he never went in that day.

0:34:330:34:35

I couldn't leave wi'out t'kids, and Shannon were already at Mick's.

0:34:350:34:38

Yeah, but why Mick's?

0:34:380:34:40

I were just desperate to get away from Craig.

0:34:400:34:43

I couldn't go to me mum's. I hardly even knew Mick Donovan,

0:34:430:34:46

but he said me and the kids could stop wi' him for a few days...

0:34:460:34:49

I didn't know what else to do.

0:34:490:34:52

So, that was the plan?

0:34:520:34:53

Mick, he'd pick Shannon up from school and then you'd leave

0:34:530:34:56

home later wi' the kids and join them, but you couldn't?

0:34:560:34:59

I cou...

0:34:590:35:00

Craig was still in the house. I were trapped...

0:35:000:35:03

I didn't know what to do.

0:35:030:35:05

After she didn't come home from school, it got worse.

0:35:050:35:08

People saying - "Where is she? Do this, do that.

0:35:080:35:12

"Ring here, ring there."

0:35:120:35:14

Then someone said - "You'd best ring 999."

0:35:140:35:18

So I did and...

0:35:180:35:20

And what, Karen?

0:35:200:35:21

It all got out of hand. One thing led to another.

0:35:210:35:25

You couldn't stop it?

0:35:250:35:27

You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd told a big fat lie?

0:35:270:35:31

Karen, answer.

0:35:320:35:34

-WAILING:

-Yes...!

0:35:360:35:38

..it's true...

0:35:410:35:44

I knew where she were all along and I should have said...

0:35:450:35:48

I know I should, but I didn't know how...

0:35:480:35:51

I kept thinkin' Mick'd just hand her in and it'd all be over.

0:35:520:35:56

Everyone's going to hate me now.

0:35:580:36:01

I feel sick.

0:36:050:36:07

I, I've done the right thing, haven't I, Julie? Telling you?

0:36:110:36:15

You, you're still me friend?

0:36:160:36:19

Julie?!

0:36:200:36:22

Julie?

0:36:230:36:24

SHE SOBS

0:36:260:36:27

Karen Matthews, you are charged, firstly, that between the

0:36:440:36:48

18th of February and the 15th of March, 2008,

0:36:480:36:51

having responsibility for a child, namely Shannon Matthews,

0:36:510:36:54

you wilfully neglected or abandoned the said child in

0:36:540:36:58

a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to her health.

0:36:580:37:03

Secondly, that between the 18th of February and

0:37:030:37:06

the 15th of March, 2008, at Dewsbury,

0:37:060:37:09

contrary to Common Law, you did pervert the course of

0:37:090:37:12

public justice by repeatedly concealing information as to the

0:37:120:37:15

whereabouts of Shannon Matthews.

0:37:150:37:18

CLAMOUR

0:37:190:37:22

COW!

0:37:240:37:26

ABUSIVE SHOUTING

0:37:270:37:30

To think I had her staying in my house!

0:37:350:37:37

I let that pervert Craig near my kids!

0:37:370:37:39

We were supposed to be her friends. I mean, I feel used, don't you?

0:37:390:37:42

She's took the piss out of all of us!

0:37:420:37:44

And you helped her!

0:37:440:37:46

Oh, shit out your mouth, you!

0:37:460:37:47

Yeah, well, he's right, though Julie.

0:37:470:37:48

I mean, you carried on helping her when it was plain as t'nose

0:37:480:37:51

on your face that she were involved. Why?

0:37:510:37:54

Cos I thought it were t'right thing to do, that's why.

0:37:540:37:57

For what, for her or for you?

0:37:570:37:58

-What do you mean?

-Well, you liked being the centre of attention, didn't you?

0:37:580:38:01

The Queen Bee. You didn't want to let it go.

0:38:010:38:03

We trusted you, Julie!

0:38:030:38:05

Oh, fuck off, Natalie! Fuck off, all of you!

0:38:050:38:08

ABUSIVE SHOUTING

0:38:090:38:13

Fuck off!

0:38:130:38:15

Shitty enough for you, is it?

0:38:400:38:41

Or do you want me to spray some more on?

0:38:410:38:43

Yeah, that's right, go on! Get me an' all!

0:38:430:38:45

I've got a pair of mingin' trackie bottoms at home with the arse hanging out.

0:38:450:38:49

Do you want me to put them on for you? Go on, go down that way.

0:38:490:38:52

I'm sure you'll find an old three-piece suite in someone's

0:38:520:38:54

front garden - that'll give you a front page, that, won't it?

0:38:540:38:57

Shit off!

0:38:570:38:59

You've not changed nothing, you know, Julie.

0:39:030:39:06

They still think we're all council house scum like Karen Matthews.

0:39:060:39:10

Oh, fucking sling it, Cecil!

0:39:100:39:12

I've just been to Shannon's school to see the headmaster.

0:39:520:39:54

Why?

0:39:540:39:56

Cos all her classmates and them other kids...

0:39:560:39:59

They're expecting Shannon back.

0:39:590:40:02

It's not going to happen now, is it?

0:40:020:40:05

I mean, she's one of them, they care about her...

0:40:050:40:08

I think they should have counselling.

0:40:080:40:11

And what did the Head say?

0:40:110:40:12

Wouldn't do it. They don't have the resources.

0:40:120:40:16

So there's only one other thing I could do.

0:40:160:40:19

What's that?

0:40:190:40:21

Ask police to put Shannon in a car -

0:40:210:40:23

drive her through the estate.

0:40:230:40:25

You know, so they can see her...

0:40:250:40:27

That way, even though she's not coming back...they'll know...

0:40:280:40:31

They'll know she's alive.

0:40:310:40:33

Oh, I've let 'em down, Kathy.

0:40:370:40:40

Julie, you did everything you could. We all did.

0:40:400:40:43

Sorry.

0:40:450:40:46

It's all right.

0:40:460:40:48

I wish I had faith like you.

0:40:500:40:52

I used to. It were easier then.

0:40:530:40:55

But it got smashed to pieces.

0:40:580:41:00

How?

0:41:010:41:03

I, er, I lost a little lad. Andrew. Cot death.

0:41:070:41:13

Christened him at four months and he were dead at six...

0:41:160:41:19

I'm so sorry.

0:41:230:41:26

JULIE CLEARS THROAT

0:41:260:41:27

Thank you.

0:41:270:41:29

You may have lost your faith in God,

0:41:320:41:35

but you haven't lost your faith in people.

0:41:350:41:38

Have you?

0:41:390:41:40

Not so sure about that.

0:41:430:41:44

Not now.

0:41:460:41:48

-Not much use for this lot now, eh?

-You must be feeling a bit shit.

0:42:170:42:20

Yeah, you could say.

0:42:200:42:21

Broken Britain, we are, apparently... And this,

0:42:210:42:24

that you lot have put out...

0:42:240:42:26

Vigilante action against who? Karen's gone. It's ridiculous.

0:42:270:42:31

Most of us are more depressed than angry.

0:42:310:42:34

Anyway, you did us a big favour, you and Natalie.

0:42:360:42:39

Proper Cagney & Lacey. You got to the truth.

0:42:390:42:42

Did we?

0:42:420:42:44

What, all of it?

0:42:440:42:46

Look...

0:42:470:42:49

I honestly think that what she said in the car was true.

0:42:490:42:53

She were desperate to leave Craig, she had no money,

0:42:530:42:56

no friends or family she could turn to.

0:42:560:42:59

Donovan offered her to let her stay with him.

0:42:590:43:02

Probably thought he could use her like other fellas have -

0:43:020:43:04

get a few shags out of her.

0:43:040:43:06

But then what?

0:43:060:43:07

After that first night Shannon went missing - what happened then?

0:43:070:43:11

Karen's now denying she knew anything about any of it.

0:43:130:43:16

She won't even admit to what she said in the car.

0:43:160:43:19

She's pointed the finger at all kinds of people - everybody...

0:43:190:43:23

apart from herself.

0:43:230:43:24

Just keeps digging herself in deeper and deeper.

0:43:240:43:26

But her and Donovan, they're too thick to have come up with this by

0:43:260:43:29

themselves, aren't they?

0:43:290:43:31

I'd have to agree.

0:43:310:43:33

Well, then, so who else were in on it?

0:43:360:43:38

-Craig?

-No, I honestly don't think so.

0:43:400:43:43

Well, who, then?

0:43:430:43:45

Not people from t'estate?

0:43:460:43:48

I'm not going to speculate.

0:43:480:43:51

We have our suspicions,

0:43:510:43:52

and we've investigated various individuals but...

0:43:520:43:55

found no evidence.

0:43:550:43:57

If Karen'd stop telling story after story, then maybe we

0:43:570:44:00

could get to the bottom of it. But she won't.

0:44:000:44:02

I'm afraid she's made her own bed,

0:44:030:44:05

now she's going to have to lie in it.

0:44:050:44:07

We can't just pretend everything's still the same.

0:44:510:44:55

But you've come.

0:44:550:44:56

You're me only friend now.

0:44:580:45:00

Just tell me it's all right.

0:45:010:45:03

How can I tell you it's all right?

0:45:040:45:06

After everything you've done to Shannon.

0:45:060:45:09

I'm sorry.

0:45:090:45:10

Say you'll forgive me.

0:45:110:45:13

It's Shannon's forgiveness you should be asking.

0:45:130:45:16

What you did to her was much worse than what you did to me.

0:45:160:45:18

-I can't even think about that.

-Yeah, well, you should.

0:45:180:45:21

You've got the rest of your life to at least try

0:45:210:45:23

and earn that forgiveness.

0:45:230:45:25

I don't know how.

0:45:250:45:27

Good place to start is wi' t'truth.

0:45:270:45:29

I have told the truth.

0:45:290:45:31

And are you still tellin' it now, in here?

0:45:310:45:33

I can't remember what I've said.

0:45:330:45:36

It's not a matter of remembering what you said.

0:45:360:45:38

It's saying what happened.

0:45:380:45:40

It weren't my fault, it were all down to Mick Donovan.

0:45:400:45:43

I've done nowt wrong. None of it were my fault.

0:45:430:45:45

Look, Karen, I know you're frightened but you're not doin'

0:45:450:45:48

yourself any favours.

0:45:480:45:49

I...

0:45:490:45:51

I know I'm bad... Weak... But...

0:45:510:45:54

I know that somewhere inside me there's someone who could be strong,

0:45:540:45:57

who knows right from wrong... I just...

0:45:570:46:00

can't seem to be that person.

0:46:000:46:01

Well, bloody well try harder, Karen!

0:46:010:46:03

I'm not like you, Julie... I wish I was...

0:46:030:46:05

but I'm not.

0:46:050:46:07

Just say you'll forgive me.

0:46:080:46:10

Look.

0:46:160:46:18

What?

0:46:190:46:21

It's that one what you give me.

0:46:210:46:23

Mates forever, eh?

0:46:250:46:27

What?

0:46:310:46:33

It's not even the same one.

0:46:350:46:36

Didn't think you'd notice.

0:46:380:46:40

You can't even tell the truth about a thing like that, can you?

0:46:430:46:46

But you still love me?

0:46:460:46:48

Will you still forgive me?

0:46:500:46:52

So, rather than tell this court the truth, Miss Matthews,

0:47:030:47:05

you have simply come up with more lies.

0:47:050:47:07

No, I haven't.

0:47:070:47:09

You have, in fact, changed your story several times.

0:47:090:47:11

-You're twisting it all round.

-How am I doing that?

0:47:110:47:14

You're pushing me round, like everyone does.

0:47:140:47:17

If you were telling the truth, there would be only one account,

0:47:170:47:19

would there not?

0:47:190:47:21

I put it to you that you and Donovan hatched the plan

0:47:220:47:24

to abduct Shannon, together.

0:47:240:47:26

And when the reward money reached a certain figure, you and

0:47:280:47:31

Michael Donovan agreed he would take Shannon to Dewsbury Police Station,

0:47:310:47:36

claiming he had found her on the market?

0:47:360:47:38

-It's not true.

-Instead of admitting it,

0:47:380:47:41

you've tried to implicate everyone except yourself.

0:47:410:47:43

SHE SNIFFLES

0:47:430:47:45

Why are you crying, Miss Matthews?

0:47:480:47:50

I put it to you that those are not tears of genuine remorse,

0:47:520:47:56

but of self-pity. Am I not right?

0:47:560:47:59

No.

0:47:590:48:01

Look, I just, I want to ask her... "Why?"

0:48:140:48:18

Just remember, it were me that stuck me neck out and said what I thought.

0:48:210:48:25

You, Julie and t'rest said nowt.

0:48:250:48:27

Just thought I was being a nasty hard-faced cow.

0:48:290:48:32

Natalie Brown.

0:48:530:48:54

So, Karen told us someone said she should ring 999

0:49:070:49:09

and report Shannon as missing.

0:49:090:49:11

Then I asked her if one thing led to another after that and

0:49:130:49:16

she just couldn't bring herself to admit it were all a massive lie.

0:49:160:49:20

Julie and me were sat there in t'back of t'car

0:49:220:49:25

willing her to admit t'truth.

0:49:250:49:26

And then she takes this massive intake of breath.

0:49:280:49:32

I've never heard owt like it...

0:49:320:49:34

And then suddenly it...just comes out.

0:49:350:49:38

She says, "Yeah...

0:49:390:49:41

"..it's true."

0:49:430:49:45

I was speechless.

0:49:470:49:48

I was so disgusted by her, I couldn't find any words.

0:49:510:49:54

Please stick to the facts, Mrs Brown,

0:49:540:49:55

your feelings are not relevant.

0:49:550:49:57

I can't help it. I just thought...

0:49:570:49:59

"You liar!

0:50:000:50:01

"How could you have done that to your own child?

0:50:060:50:09

"How could you have told such a pack of lies to people

0:50:090:50:12

"you called friends?"

0:50:120:50:14

UPROAR

0:50:140:50:16

JUDGE: Quiet, please.

0:50:210:50:23

DOOR OPENS

0:50:250:50:26

Julie Bushby.

0:50:260:50:28

Mrs Bushby, you are about to give evidence as a witness,

0:50:280:50:31

but prior to that, you have been asked to make

0:50:310:50:33

a brief assessment about the character of Miss Matthews.

0:50:330:50:36

Understood.

0:50:360:50:37

The reason for this is whereas we have

0:50:370:50:40

a number of professional assessments of her co-defendant's character,

0:50:400:50:43

which may assist the jury, we have none for Miss Matthews.

0:50:430:50:46

So, if you would, in your own words,

0:50:460:50:48

tell the court what sort of person you believe her to be.

0:50:480:50:51

Karen Matthews is weak, cowardly and a liar.

0:50:590:51:02

She put her child through a horrible experience.

0:51:050:51:09

She let down her community and people she said were her friends.

0:51:090:51:12

And even when she eventually told t'truth she went back to

0:51:140:51:17

lying to save her own skin.

0:51:170:51:18

That's what you all want me to say, innit?

0:51:210:51:24

And it is the truth...

0:51:240:51:25

But it's a long way from t'whole truth.

0:51:260:51:29

If you want to know the whole truth, you need to understand that Karen

0:51:300:51:33

is damaged.

0:51:330:51:36

She's been used and abused since childhood - don't ask

0:51:360:51:39

me by who - but I'm sure the list of people's a long one.

0:51:390:51:42

Most of them are men who used her for sex.

0:51:420:51:45

Karen let them get away with it because she doesn't understand that

0:51:470:51:51

sex isn't the same thing as love or affection, which is what she

0:51:510:51:55

really wanted.

0:51:550:51:57

And she knew she were being taken advantage of,

0:51:570:51:59

that she were being weak to let them get away with it.

0:51:590:52:02

She's been weak about a lot of things. She's told lies.

0:52:020:52:05

She's let people down...

0:52:050:52:07

But I will not join in with the lynch mob.

0:52:070:52:09

Other people may want to use her as a human punchbag, because it

0:52:110:52:14

makes them feel better about their own lies and shit that they get up to -

0:52:140:52:17

but I'll not do it.

0:52:170:52:20

I've stood by her before...

0:52:200:52:21

And I'm standing by her now.

0:52:230:52:25

She's still me friend.

0:52:260:52:28

-Has the jury reached a verdict?

-Yes, my lord.

0:52:390:52:42

On the charge of kidnap and false imprisonment, do you find the

0:52:420:52:44

defendant Karen Matthews guilty or not guilty?

0:52:440:52:47

Guilty.

0:52:470:52:48

On the charge of perverting the course of justice, do you find

0:52:480:52:51

the defendant Karen Matthews guilty or not guilty?

0:52:510:52:54

Guilty.

0:52:540:52:55

CHEERING

0:52:550:52:57

Karen Matthews is pure evil.

0:53:030:53:05

She started deceiving those closest to her, from the very moment

0:53:060:53:09

that Shannon was kidnapped.

0:53:090:53:11

Friends, neighbours and family were under the clear impression

0:53:110:53:14

that Shannon was genuinely missing.

0:53:140:53:16

They had no reason....

0:53:160:53:19

I've finished in the kitchen.

0:54:070:54:09

Yeah, about four boxes left and then we are gone, that's all.

0:54:090:54:11

All right.

0:54:110:54:13

Natalie.

0:54:170:54:19

All right.

0:54:190:54:20

I'm er...moving off t'estate...

0:54:230:54:26

Me and Pete split up.

0:54:270:54:28

Shit, I'm sorry.

0:54:290:54:31

It's probably been coming anyway.

0:54:310:54:33

And I had to get away.

0:54:360:54:37

Can't face walking past that every day of me life.

0:54:380:54:41

Still...

0:54:430:54:44

You have to make t'best of things, don't you?

0:54:450:54:48

You all right?

0:54:510:54:52

Er, no, not really.

0:54:570:54:59

I just find it hard,

0:55:010:55:03

you know, to think that all that goodwill and decency just...

0:55:030:55:06

evaporated...

0:55:060:55:07

It were all for nowt...

0:55:090:55:10

It weren't for nowt, Julie.

0:55:120:55:14

You stuck up for this place.

0:55:140:55:16

You made people think again about what we're really like.

0:55:180:55:22

Folk admired you for it.

0:55:220:55:23

Yeah, well, I stood up for Karen too, though, didn't I?

0:55:260:55:28

They didn't admire me for that.

0:55:280:55:30

I did.

0:55:310:55:33

But you hate her.

0:55:330:55:35

No...I don't hate her.

0:55:350:55:38

I'm angry with her.

0:55:400:55:42

And I could never forgive like you have.

0:55:420:55:45

But I'll not call you for finding it in you to do it.

0:55:470:55:50

Or for standing up for her in court when t'rest of t'world wanted

0:55:500:55:53

to hang her.

0:55:530:55:55

That took real guts.

0:55:570:55:59

Thanks.

0:56:030:56:05

Only being honest, Julie.

0:56:050:56:07

Yeah, well, there'd never have been owt for

0:56:070:56:11

me to forgive if you'd not forced Karen to tell t'truth.

0:56:110:56:13

We both did that.

0:56:130:56:15

But you were t'one who pushed it.

0:56:150:56:17

If you hadn't, we'd all still be living wi' Karen's lies.

0:56:170:56:20

Well, er...

0:56:290:56:31

good luck, then.

0:56:310:56:33

You too, Julie.

0:56:340:56:36

If you don't teach it to fly, foxes get 'em.

0:56:530:56:55

Right, then. Let's see.

0:56:550:56:57

Get more under it, Peter.

0:56:570:56:59

You're lifting it in t'air, not aiming at a coconut shy.

0:56:590:57:04

DUCK QUACKS

0:57:040:57:07

Needs a bit more practice, by looks of it.

0:57:070:57:09

Come on, you, you best get off to school.

0:57:090:57:12

Oh, is he back in school?

0:57:120:57:13

Yeah. And behaving.

0:57:130:57:15

-Good lad!

-So far.

0:57:150:57:16

See you, then.

0:57:180:57:19

See you. Oi, pull your tie up!

0:57:190:57:21

THEY CHUCKLE

0:57:230:57:26

Ta.

0:57:290:57:31

So, what's next for you, then, Julie?

0:57:330:57:36

Ciggie, brew, bacon butty, then we'll see.

0:57:370:57:41

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