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PHONE CHIMES | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
They've found her, everyone! It's true. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
It's true. She's alive. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
We never lost faith. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
We look after our own. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
And we can't wait to welcome Shannon home. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
-ALL: -SHANNON! SHANNON! SHANNON! SHANNON! | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
SHANNON! SHANNON! | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
Karen's not clever enough to have made all this up! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
Either that, or you're leaning over too far to make excuses for her. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
We just need you to confirm that it's her. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
Yeah, that's Shannon. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Oh, Natalie. Fantastic news or what? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Have you heard where they found her? | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
No. Have you? | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
CHEERING | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Hey, we showed 'em, eh, Petra? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Oh, didn't we just! | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
People that live round here, right, are just as good as anyone else. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
They're better! | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
If anyone asks me where I'm from, right, I shan't just say Dewsbury! | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
I shall say - "Moorside Estate, Dewsbury!" | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
CHEERING | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
Come here, Kinchie, let's have a picture. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
Oh, aye... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
Cheers, aye... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
So where did they find her, Kinchie? | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
I can't discuss operational matters. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
Operational, my arse. There's all sorts of rumours flyin' around. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Yeah, I don't doubt it. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
Yeah, like she were at Craig's uncle's? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
-No comment. -So it's true? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
Julie... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
But we're all going to know soon enough anyway, Kinchie. Who is he, this uncle? | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
Mick Donovan, they call him. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Well, what's the story? How come she were with him? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
Homicide Team are still trying to ascertain that. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
They've only just been made aware of his existence. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
They discovered that he's not been in touch with any of | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
Shannon's family since she disappeared. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
That's a bit bloody weird. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:17 | |
-Here you go, then. -Thanks, Mum. -Pop. -Pop. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
Have you just made that one up? There you are, love. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
-Right, come on. -Everybody all right. All right. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
All right. Are you not coming down? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
No, I'm not. I'm looking after this lot, aren't I? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Bring 'em down - everyone else has took their kids. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
There's a massive party. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
ALL: YEAH! | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Yeah, well, I'm not sure there should be a party. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
ALL: Aww... | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
What do you mean? | 0:02:49 | 0:02:50 | |
No. Are you a wind-up? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
-Come in here. -An elephant. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
I mean, till we find out what's gone on. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
All this stuff about Shannon at her uncle's and that... | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
What's it matter, she's safe? Look, we deserve this. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
And what about Karen's reaction when they told her they'd found her? | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Did you see her face? There was hardly any emotion. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
She was shocked. How's she supposed to react? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
I'd have been screaming at 'em to let me see her. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Yeah, well, that's you. Karen's different. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
I just think it's a bit premature to be partying. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
Yeah, well, bollocks to you, then. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
You haven't asked how Shannon is? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
How is she? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
We don't really know. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
We're still trying to coax out her account of what happened. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
You haven't asked where we found her. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Where did you find her? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
She was being hidden under a divan bed in the bedroom of | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
a flat in Batley Carr. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
There was a man hiding with her. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Was there? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
By the name of Michael Donovan. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Do you know him? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Nope, I've never even heard of him. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
ALL: Shannon! Shannon! Shannon! Shannon! | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
CLAMOUR | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-Karen! -Hey, Julie. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
Didn't I say we'd get her back? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
-Yeah, you did! -You all right? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Let me through. Karen. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Natalie... Can we go in? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
Hate this lot gawping at us. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
-So...how is Shannon? -Yeah, she's fine. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
When will she be home? We're dying to see her. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
-Dunno. Police haven't said. -You must be desperate to have her back. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
-Yeah, I'm desperate. -We both are. Desperate. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
What's this about her being wi' your uncle, Craig? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
-Oh, I don't know owt about it. -Me neither. -Well, hasn't Shannon said? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
Dunno. They're still not lettin' me talk to her yet. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
-Someone said he were called Mick Donovan. -I don't know. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
And summat about he had his own kids took off him, and was accused of abducting 'em. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Bollocks. He didn't abduct 'em, he just took 'em to Blackpool. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
-Do you know him, Karen? -No, I've never even met him. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
-Yeah, you have, you were at me dad's funeral, and so were he. -I don't remember that. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Well, that's funny cos at piss-up after, you were sat on his knee. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
-You what? -I never wor! -I saw you! And I weren't t'only one. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
I don't remember sitting on no-one's knee! | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
How can you not remember sittin' on a fella's knee? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
-I just don't! -Oh, come on, Karen. -Can we just drop all this? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
-It's doing me head in! -It's doing mine in, an' all! | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Karen, come on, don't upset yourself. We're missing the point here, aren't we? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
The point is, we've found Shannon. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
She's safe and she'll be back home soon. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
-Yeah, we should do summat to celebrate. -Yeah, bring it on! | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
I've got it - a tree for Shannon! | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Bloody mint idea, Julie! | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
Thanks, Julie, I love you! | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Right, Michael, can we go through this again, please? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
What exactly did Karen ask you to do? | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
She said I were to look after Shannon... | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
and then she'd report her missing. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
She actually said that to you? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
That she'd report her missing, even though she knew she was with you? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
-Yeah. -And what did you say to that? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
I said I weren't happy about it. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
And what did she say when you told her that? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
She said that if I didn't do it, she'd get three lads onto me. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Three lads, eh? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
And she said there'd be money in it for me. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
She actually said you'd get some money? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
She said I had to do what she said and if I told anyone else | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
about it I'd be dead. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
So now you're saying she threatened you'd be killed? | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
By these same three lads? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Karen Matthews making death threats? Does that ring true to you? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
What did she actually tell you to do with Shannon? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
-I'm cold. -Yeah, you've said that, Michael. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
That's why we've given you a blanket. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Apparently, Donovan's neighbours had heard a kiddy's footsteps in | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
the flat when he was out. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
So the coppers knock. No answer. They break in. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
It's all dead quiet. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
They're beginning to think they've drawn a blank. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
Next thing, one of them hears Shannon's voice. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
"You're frightening me now." | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
They go in the bedroom. No sign of anyone. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
They start poking around and there she is, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
hidden in the base of a divan bed. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
-And Donovan's hiding with her. -Was she all right? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
One of the neighbours said she saw a copper | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
carrying her out a couple of minutes later. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Cradled in his arms. Said she looked scared for her life. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
That's all I know. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
What about that? | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Oh, that's pathetic. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
It'll grow. Trees grow. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
This is a massive event. We want to make a massive gesture. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
And I would get a massive bollocking if I try and put that | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
through on expenses. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
"Magnolia stellata. Ideal for the smaller garden." There you are. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
Here, grab it. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:02 | |
-Bloody hell, Julie! -Size isn't important. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
-Never heard you say that before! -Me neither, Julie! | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
So, when's the ceremony? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Tonight. It's going to be mega. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
They're taking us to t'police station. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
-What, to see Shannon? -Yeah, probably. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Oh, how long will you be? We've got the "Tree For Shannon" tonight. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
Sorry, I can't say. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
OK, well, we'll postpone if we have to. Who's looking after t'kids? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
-Craig's mum. -Give Shannon our love! | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Yeah, we'll give her your love. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
They're taking Karen to see Shannon. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Hmm... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
-If I were t'police, I'd want to ask them some questions too. -Why? | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
I don't know, Julie, but something's not right here. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
If there's owt wrong, police'll get to bottom of it. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
You reckon? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
You're not letting me see her. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
I don't even know why you've brought us here. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Cos it's like a bloody circus at your house. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
We can't talk to you properly. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
-What's there to talk about. -Michael Donovan, for one. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
I've told you, I've never even met him. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
Even though a number of witnesses claim they saw you sitting on | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
his knee at Craig's dad's funeral? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
I'd remember! If I'd sat on his knee, I'd remember, wouldn't I? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
You'd think so. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
And I wouldn't even sit on someone else's knee when I'm wi' Craig. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Especially a bloke like Mick Donovan. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
So you do know him. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
You must have been surprised when you heard where Shannon had | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
been found? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:32 | |
Yeah, I were, dead surprised. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
Did you ever think to yourself that your Uncle Mick might have her? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
No, I didn't. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
You didn't wonder why he'd not been in touch to ask after Shannon? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
-I had other things to think about. -Mm, yeah, course. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Has he been in touch with any other members of the family over | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
-the last three weeks? -No. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Has he been in touch with Karen? | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Karen says she doesn't know him. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
Is that true? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
I don't know. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Did you have any idea that Donovan intended to take Shannon? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
-No, I didn't? -Did Karen? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
How could she, if she doesn't know him? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
How do you get on with Shannon and Karen's other children, Craig? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-You've asked me that before. -Well, I'm asking you again. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
Get on great. I'm a top stepdad. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
We've charged Mick Donovan with Shannon's abduction. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
Well, that's it, then. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
But he's telling us you were in on it with him. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
How? | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
He's saying the two of you planned it. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
That you agreed he'd pick Shannon up from school, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
keep her at his flat, and split the reward money. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Well, he's lying, then, isn't he? I weren't even in on it. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Didn't even know where he lived nor nowt. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
But earlier, you said you didn't even know Donovan, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
now you've admitted you do. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Had you had a thing going with Mick Donovan? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
No. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
Come on, Karen. Have you shagged him? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
No, I bloody haven't! | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
SHE SNIFFLES | 0:12:02 | 0:12:03 | |
REPORTERS SHOUT QUESTIONS | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
You all right, Natalie? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
Yeah, just helping out wi' Karen's kids. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
How come they've not brought Shannon back? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Sorry, I can't talk about that. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
I don't get it. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
Well, to be honest, there's a lot we don't get, too... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
Look, I know you're Karen's mate, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
but if there's ever anything you think we should know... | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
Yeah, well, like you say, she's me mate. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
And you're loyal to your mates, I'm sure. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
But I'm sure you want the truth as much as we do. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
Yeah, right. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
-Are they back? -Yeah. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
-How's Shannon? -They ain't got her. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
You what? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
I don't get it. Why won't they let her back? | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
-They wouldn't tell us. -That's fucking ridiculous. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Unless there's summat t'police aren't happy with, Karen. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
-What you talking about? -How were Shannon, anyway? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
We didn't see her. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
-Jesus, why not? -They said it were procedure. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Procedure? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
-She's your child, you can insist! -I daren't, Julie. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
So what have you been doing all this time, if you haven't seen her? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
They've been mithering us t'death wi' questions. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
-With what questions? -About Mick Donovan and that. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
-But I thought you said you didn't know him? -I must have met him at the funeral, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-but I didn't even know his name or nowt. -But you sat on his knee? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Will you stop going on about that, Natalie? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
-Yeah, what were you doing it for? -Get off, will ya! | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
-Well, you embarrassed him. -I dunno. I were probably pissed. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
It's always t'same, it's always me people take it out on! | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
I get bullied, and pushed around and I'm sick of it. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Move! Move! | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
But you've told t'truth, haven't you? You wouldn't lie to the police. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
No! | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
Or to us? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
Course not, Julie! I'd never lie to you. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
You're me best friend. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Then it'll all be all right. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
We'll have Shannon home back before you know it... | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
And in t'meantime, we've got the, "Tree For Shannon" | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
-to look forward to. -Thanks, Julie. Dunno what I'd do without you. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
KAREN SNIFFLES AND SIGHS | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
OK, everyone. We're gathered here for a very special occasion. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
It's an event that is many things. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
It's a celebration that Shannon's been found. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Of the magnificent way this community has come together to love | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
and support Karen and her family through their terrible ordeal. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
We're now going to plant this tree as an act of thanksgiving... | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
and a symbol of what's happened here, for years to come. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Julie... | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Here you are, Karen. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
CHEERING | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
# Kum ba yah, my Lord, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
# Kum ba yah! | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
# Kum ba yah, my Lord Kum ba yah! # | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
That's Julie's trademark. Balloons. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
# Kum ba yah, my Lord | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
# Kum ba yah | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
# O Lord, Kum ba yah... # | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
How come the police don't let Shannon home? | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
I don't know. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
They can't still be talking to her about what happened. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Yeah, there must be summat else. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Like what? Why assume it's some sinister reason. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
We're only asking what a lot of people on the estate are asking. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
-Well, they can ask all they bloody like! -No need t'get narky wi' us! | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
-I'm not! -You are, Mum! | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
It's us that's backed you up right through all this. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Even though you've hardly done owt for us ever since it all kicked off. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
You what? That's bloody cobblers! | 0:16:45 | 0:16:46 | |
It's true, it's been Shannon, Shannon, Shannon, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
ever since it all kicked off! | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
We've hardly seen you. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
Well, you're seeing me now, aren't you? | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
But why are you still so obsessed with her? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
You'll understand when you've had kiddies. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
Oh, now what's gone off? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Here. Hold them. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
Bloody hell. That's what I mean! | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Sod off! | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
-Craig's been arrested. -What for? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
Porn. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
What do you mean, porn? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
They've found porn on his computer. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
What kind of porn? Karen? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
I don't know! They've not told me owt. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
I'm afraid I can't talk about the reasons for his arrest. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
But the thing is, Karen's due to have her first proper contact with | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Shannon today. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
I didn't know. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:43 | |
They told me not to tell anyone. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Obviously, it's difficult timing but we don't want to let Shannon down. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
We need someone to look after her other kids. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
-I can do that. -And I'll help out an' all. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Karen? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Thanks, Julie. You're always there for me. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
It's all right, love, don't worry. The kids will be fine wi' us. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Thanks a lot, yeah. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
People don't get arrested for porn. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
-They do if it's kiddy porn. -You think that's what it is? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
It's gotta be. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
Do you really think he's a paedo? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
If he's even looking at kiddy porn, he's a paedo in my book. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
You can't tell, can you? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Can't tell what? | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
If someone's a paedo, just by looking at 'em. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Yeah, well, you can't tell who their victims are either. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
No, but... Sometimes you look at someone and... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
..you wonder. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Yeah, maybe... | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
Maybe so. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:02 | |
Who were it? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Baby-sitter. When I were six. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
What happened? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Sexually assaulted me... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
I just remember me brother and sister battering on t'door, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
wondering what were going on. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Jesus, Natalie, I'm sorry. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
It's a long time ago. You try and move on. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Yeah. You do, don't you? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
What, you too? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
Me Dad. All through me childhood. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
For better or worse, I said nowt... | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
and years later he remarried - | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
lass with kids. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
I looked at those kids at the wedding reception and I thought - | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
"You can't risk them going through what you did." | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
So I went to t'police. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
Bloody hell. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
He got eight years. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Brave or what? | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
No, not brave. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Just wanted to try and protect them kiddies. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
Hello? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Speaking... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
What, she wants me there? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
Yeah, yeah, I can do that. But why? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
OK, what about this orange one? Put that on. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
I've already given 'em a proper dinner, they don't need crap. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
What's all this about? | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
I'm afraid we can't say till Karen arrives. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
I weren't born yesterday. I can see what's coming. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
Karen has to be told first. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
Hiya, Julie. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
Hiya, Karen love. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
-Hiya, darlings. -Hi. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
What's happening, then? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Shall we move through here? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
What for? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
Just do as she asks, Karen, love, go on. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
-What's going on? -It's all right. Let's go in here. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
Take a seat... | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Sit down here, love. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Karen... | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
..we're going to have to ask you to give up your children. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
What do you mean, give 'em up? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
You're aware Craig's been charged with possessing child pornography? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
I've already explained that to Karen. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
In the light of that, we feel it's in the children's best interests | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
if we look after them while Craig goes through his court case. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
-No! You're not having me kids! -For their own protection. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
But it's Craig been arrested, not me! | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
And hostility towards him on the estate might easily turn towards you. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
-We cannot risk the children being exposed to that. -No! You're not having 'em! | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
-Hopefully, this is just a temporary measure. -Karen... -No! You're not taking 'em! | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Karen, love, if you don't give 'em up voluntarily, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
-they'll just take them anyway. -I can't give 'em up, Julie! | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Listen to me! | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
If you don't agree, you'll never get 'em back. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Let 'em go and you have a chance. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
-But they're me babies! -I know, love, I know. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Will you... Will... | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
Can they not at least go and live with you, Julie? | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
I'd love that, but they'd never agree. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
If you'd like to go back in and say goodbye to them now. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Oh, no... | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
Come on, Karen, love, they'll be OK. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
No, I don't want to leave me babies! No, I can't... | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
-Come on Karen, love. -No, I don't want to leave me babies. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
Come on, you can do it, love. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I'm not leaving 'em, I don't want to leave 'em... | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Come on, love, you can do it. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
I don't want to... | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Come on, Karen, you can do it, love. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
How were Karen when she saw Shannon? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
Sort of...blank. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Well, she'll have been in shock over what happened to Craig. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
I don't know if that explains it. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Well, she weren't blank when the Social took her kids, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
it tore her heart out. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
Oh, cheers, love. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
Thank you. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
I'm glad you know when she's acting and when she isn't, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
because sometimes I struggle. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
Yeah, well, Natalie says that, and the others. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Bottom line is, Karen can be a div, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
but she's told the truth about Shannon. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
Are you sure? | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Can't find anywhere, Karen. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
You what? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
I'm still trying to find somewhere for you to stay. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
I've tried your parents. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
I've told yer, they won't have me. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
They said I'm dead to 'em since I got with Craig. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
I've tried other family, women's refuges, hostels, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
I can't find anyone. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
Why can't I just go home? Or stop at Julie's? | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
You can't go back to the estate. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
-Why can't she? -We can't guarantee her safety. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
How do you mean? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
Because of Craig being arrested. It'll be all over the estate. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
You think we'll go turn into a lynch mob? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
No. But we can't risk it. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
You're in luck. Your brother's agreed you can stop with him. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
But he hates me an' all. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:37 | |
KAREN SIGHS | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
-We're calling him Liam. -Has he had his first shit yet? | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Hey, shut up, you. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
Here have a hold, Mum. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
You know me, I'm not sentimental about babies. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Who are you kidding? Hold your grandson. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
BABY GURGLES | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
All right. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
Aww, oh, what a little cracker. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
BABY GURGLES | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
You all right, Natalie? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Yeah. I'm just off to Asda. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
I'll give you a lift. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:06 | |
'Well, it's hard to sleep, really, it's just... | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
'House doesn't feel the same without...' | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
..her not being there, really... | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
It just... | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
Just feels empty... | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Whoever's got Shannon, please, let her go... | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
Her family's missing her, all her friends are missing her at school. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
REPORTER: Have you any idea who may have her? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
I think that...someone out there... who knows Shannon... | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
but probably...knows me as well. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
What you watching that for, anyway? | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
I just want her home safe, really. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
Belt up and make me a brew, will you? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
-But Shannon's found. -Brew! Now. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
I just can't trust 'em. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
REPORTER: Can you recall the last words you and Shannon exchanged? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
"Bye, Mum. Love you." | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
CAMERAS CLICK | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
Look, I have told you everything I know and everything I've seen. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
And I can tell you're not happy. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
I mean, we've both seen things that have made us suspicious. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
We both think she knows more than she's saying. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
Yeah, but you're the copper. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
It's your job to find out what it is. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
I've tried, Natalie. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
I've asked her questions till I'm blue in the face. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
The whole force is under a lot of pressure. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
This has been our biggest inquiry since the Ripper. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
We've spent millions and we've still not really got any answers. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
Yeah, but what can I do? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Try and get through to her. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Tell her she owes you the truth as a mate. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
How? She's not picking up me calls. She won't answer me texts. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
I don't even think we are mates any more. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
And it's cos I keep asking her awkward questions. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Well, none of us are going to be happy till we do have the truth. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
I feel like bloody thumping her, to be honest! | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Thanks for the lift. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Oh! Oh, you shouldn't have. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
I wanted to. Not every day me best mate becomes a grandma... | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
We are best mates, aren't we? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
-Natalie's your best mate. -No, you are now. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
-Can't be easy for you, though. -What? | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
Me prattling on about me new grandson. And you wi'out your kids. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
You must be missing them like mad. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Yeah, I'm missing them like mad. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Do you mean that, Karen? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:04 | |
Course. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Missing 'em like mad. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
Yeah, you're right! It's me! | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
-Karen, what you doing? -What do you mean? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
Drawing attention to yourself. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Well, I were only waving. They must have recognised me from t'telly. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Well, all that's over now. Shannon's been found. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
You don't need any publicity any more. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
But I like it when people recognise me. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Karen, pack it in! | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
You should be concentrating on getting your life back on track, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
not farting around like some daft celebrity. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
Don't get mad with me, Julie! Please! | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
Well, you need to start acting like a grown-up! | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Otherwise, you'll never get Shannon back, or your other kids! | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
-I know, I know. -That is what you want, innit? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
-Course it is. -Are you sure? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Honest. Why would I lie to you, Julie? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
-I'd never lie to you. -About anything? -No, never. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
And you've never lied to me about Shannon? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
No, course not! | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Will you stop being mad wi' me now? Please? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Hey, that's lovely. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
Yeah, look, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
I know I'm a... I'm a right tight arse but here... | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
-Oh, Julie! You can't give me that. -Go on. Put it on. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
Oh... | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
It's fab. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
SHE SNIFFLES | 0:30:30 | 0:30:31 | |
Aw, thanks so much. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Mates for ever, eh? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
Do you fancy an all-day breakfast? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Yeah. Yeah. Go on. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:49 | |
PHONE CHIMES | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Look, we both know she's been lying to us. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
-Lying about what, though? -I don't know. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
Well, if police haven't got her to admit she's doing owt wrong, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
maybe there's nowt to admit to? | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
You don't really believe that, Julie. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Or you wouldn't have come round here. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
I think it's eating away at you just as much as it is me. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
All right. Fair enough. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Yeah, but what do we do? | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
Well, we have it out with her. You and me. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
-Once and for all. -How? She's not allowed on t'estate. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
And even if she were, she wouldn't speak to me. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
She knows I think there's something she's hiding, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
and she's shit scared of me! | 0:31:45 | 0:31:46 | |
There's got to be a way, Natalie. I can't stand this any more. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
They should be here by now. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:56 | |
Calm down, Julie. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
Christine said it were her day off. | 0:31:58 | 0:31:59 | |
-If she said she'll do it, she will. -Yeah, but suppose Karen refused? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
She hasn't. Look... | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
Natalie's not going to batter me, is she? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Course not. They just want a chat. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
KAREN BREATHES HEAVILY | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
All right, Karen? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Yeah, I'm all right, Julie. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
-You're me friend, aren't you, Karen? -Yeah. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
-And your Natalie's friend? -Yeah. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
And you said, friends don't lie to each other. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
-Didn't you? -Did I? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
Yeah, you did. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
And er, the thing about friends is... | 0:33:02 | 0:33:03 | |
You can tell them absolutely anything? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
I suppose. I still don't know why we're doing this. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
-Because we've got some questions. -Like what? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Did you know where Shannon was? All that time she were with Mick Donovan? | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
No! I keep telling everyone. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
I know that's what you keep telling everyone. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
But if the truth's summat different, we want to know. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
There's rumours going round estate, you did know. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
They're not true. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:24 | |
There's rumours going round estate, you and Donovan planned it, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
to get reward money. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
That's lies. I'd never have done that to Shannon for money. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
-Is there some other reason why you'd do it? -What other reason could there be? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
-I don't know. -That's why she's asking. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
Is it owt to do with Craig? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:38 | |
I don't want to talk about Craig! I fucking hate him. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Why, cos of kiddy porn? | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
I hated him before that! I've hated him for ages! | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
-He's ruined me whole fuckin' life! -Why? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Weren't you happy about how he were wi' your kids? | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
I don't want to talk about it! I wish I'd never fuckin' met him! | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Because when you came to stay at my house, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
I didn't think t'kids liked being around him at all. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
Didn't you trust him with 'em, Karen? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
I wouldn't stay with a fella I didn't trust with me kids. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
I didn't want to do it! | 0:34:04 | 0:34:05 | |
KAREN SOBS | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
I didn't know how else to get out of it... | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Get out of what? Being wi' Craig? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
Karen, answer. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
That were the day I were thinking of doing it! | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
What, you mean the day Shannon disappeared? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
I had me bags packed and everything! But it all went wrong. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
-How? -Cos of Craig! | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
How do you mean? | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
I were going to leave while he were at work, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
but he never went in that day. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
I couldn't leave wi'out t'kids, and Shannon were already at Mick's. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
Yeah, but why Mick's? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
I were just desperate to get away from Craig. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
I couldn't go to me mum's. I hardly even knew Mick Donovan, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
but he said me and the kids could stop wi' him for a few days... | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
I didn't know what else to do. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
So, that was the plan? | 0:34:52 | 0:34:53 | |
Mick, he'd pick Shannon up from school and then you'd leave | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
home later wi' the kids and join them, but you couldn't? | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
I cou... | 0:34:59 | 0:35:00 | |
Craig was still in the house. I were trapped... | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
I didn't know what to do. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
After she didn't come home from school, it got worse. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
People saying - "Where is she? Do this, do that. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
"Ring here, ring there." | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
Then someone said - "You'd best ring 999." | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
So I did and... | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
And what, Karen? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
It all got out of hand. One thing led to another. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
You couldn't stop it? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd told a big fat lie? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
Karen, answer. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
-WAILING: -Yes...! | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
..it's true... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
I knew where she were all along and I should have said... | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
I know I should, but I didn't know how... | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
I kept thinkin' Mick'd just hand her in and it'd all be over. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
Everyone's going to hate me now. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
I feel sick. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
I, I've done the right thing, haven't I, Julie? Telling you? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
You, you're still me friend? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
Julie?! | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
Julie? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:36:26 | 0:36:27 | |
Karen Matthews, you are charged, firstly, that between the | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
18th of February and the 15th of March, 2008, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
having responsibility for a child, namely Shannon Matthews, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
you wilfully neglected or abandoned the said child in | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to her health. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
Secondly, that between the 18th of February and | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
the 15th of March, 2008, at Dewsbury, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
contrary to Common Law, you did pervert the course of | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
public justice by repeatedly concealing information as to the | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
whereabouts of Shannon Matthews. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
CLAMOUR | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
COW! | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
ABUSIVE SHOUTING | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
To think I had her staying in my house! | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
I let that pervert Craig near my kids! | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
We were supposed to be her friends. I mean, I feel used, don't you? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
She's took the piss out of all of us! | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
And you helped her! | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
Oh, shit out your mouth, you! | 0:37:46 | 0:37:47 | |
Yeah, well, he's right, though Julie. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
I mean, you carried on helping her when it was plain as t'nose | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
on your face that she were involved. Why? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Cos I thought it were t'right thing to do, that's why. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
For what, for her or for you? | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
-What do you mean? -Well, you liked being the centre of attention, didn't you? | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
The Queen Bee. You didn't want to let it go. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
We trusted you, Julie! | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
Oh, fuck off, Natalie! Fuck off, all of you! | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
ABUSIVE SHOUTING | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
Fuck off! | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Shitty enough for you, is it? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:41 | |
Or do you want me to spray some more on? | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Yeah, that's right, go on! Get me an' all! | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
I've got a pair of mingin' trackie bottoms at home with the arse hanging out. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
Do you want me to put them on for you? Go on, go down that way. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
I'm sure you'll find an old three-piece suite in someone's | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
front garden - that'll give you a front page, that, won't it? | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Shit off! | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
You've not changed nothing, you know, Julie. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
They still think we're all council house scum like Karen Matthews. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
Oh, fucking sling it, Cecil! | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
I've just been to Shannon's school to see the headmaster. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
Why? | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
Cos all her classmates and them other kids... | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
They're expecting Shannon back. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
It's not going to happen now, is it? | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
I mean, she's one of them, they care about her... | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
I think they should have counselling. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
And what did the Head say? | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
Wouldn't do it. They don't have the resources. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
So there's only one other thing I could do. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
What's that? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
Ask police to put Shannon in a car - | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
drive her through the estate. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
You know, so they can see her... | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
That way, even though she's not coming back...they'll know... | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
They'll know she's alive. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
Oh, I've let 'em down, Kathy. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Julie, you did everything you could. We all did. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Sorry. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
It's all right. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
I wish I had faith like you. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
I used to. It were easier then. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
But it got smashed to pieces. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
How? | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
I, er, I lost a little lad. Andrew. Cot death. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:13 | |
Christened him at four months and he were dead at six... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
I'm so sorry. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
JULIE CLEARS THROAT | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
Thank you. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
You may have lost your faith in God, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
but you haven't lost your faith in people. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Have you? | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
Not so sure about that. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:44 | |
Not now. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
-Not much use for this lot now, eh? -You must be feeling a bit shit. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
Yeah, you could say. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
Broken Britain, we are, apparently... And this, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
that you lot have put out... | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
Vigilante action against who? Karen's gone. It's ridiculous. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
Most of us are more depressed than angry. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
Anyway, you did us a big favour, you and Natalie. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Proper Cagney & Lacey. You got to the truth. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
Did we? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
What, all of it? | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Look... | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
I honestly think that what she said in the car was true. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
She were desperate to leave Craig, she had no money, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
no friends or family she could turn to. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
Donovan offered her to let her stay with him. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
Probably thought he could use her like other fellas have - | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
get a few shags out of her. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
But then what? | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
After that first night Shannon went missing - what happened then? | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
Karen's now denying she knew anything about any of it. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
She won't even admit to what she said in the car. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
She's pointed the finger at all kinds of people - everybody... | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
apart from herself. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
Just keeps digging herself in deeper and deeper. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
But her and Donovan, they're too thick to have come up with this by | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
themselves, aren't they? | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I'd have to agree. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
Well, then, so who else were in on it? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
-Craig? -No, I honestly don't think so. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
Well, who, then? | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
Not people from t'estate? | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
I'm not going to speculate. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
We have our suspicions, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:52 | |
and we've investigated various individuals but... | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
found no evidence. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
If Karen'd stop telling story after story, then maybe we | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
could get to the bottom of it. But she won't. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
I'm afraid she's made her own bed, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
now she's going to have to lie in it. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
We can't just pretend everything's still the same. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
But you've come. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:56 | |
You're me only friend now. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
Just tell me it's all right. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
How can I tell you it's all right? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
After everything you've done to Shannon. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:10 | |
Say you'll forgive me. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
It's Shannon's forgiveness you should be asking. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
What you did to her was much worse than what you did to me. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
-I can't even think about that. -Yeah, well, you should. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
You've got the rest of your life to at least try | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
and earn that forgiveness. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
I don't know how. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
Good place to start is wi' t'truth. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
I have told the truth. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
And are you still tellin' it now, in here? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
I can't remember what I've said. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
It's not a matter of remembering what you said. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
It's saying what happened. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
It weren't my fault, it were all down to Mick Donovan. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
I've done nowt wrong. None of it were my fault. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
Look, Karen, I know you're frightened but you're not doin' | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
yourself any favours. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:49 | |
I... | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
I know I'm bad... Weak... But... | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
I know that somewhere inside me there's someone who could be strong, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
who knows right from wrong... I just... | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
can't seem to be that person. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:01 | |
Well, bloody well try harder, Karen! | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
I'm not like you, Julie... I wish I was... | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
but I'm not. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
Just say you'll forgive me. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Look. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
What? | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
It's that one what you give me. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
Mates forever, eh? | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
What? | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
It's not even the same one. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:36 | |
Didn't think you'd notice. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
You can't even tell the truth about a thing like that, can you? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
But you still love me? | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
Will you still forgive me? | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
So, rather than tell this court the truth, Miss Matthews, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
you have simply come up with more lies. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
No, I haven't. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
You have, in fact, changed your story several times. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
-You're twisting it all round. -How am I doing that? | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
You're pushing me round, like everyone does. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
If you were telling the truth, there would be only one account, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
would there not? | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
I put it to you that you and Donovan hatched the plan | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
to abduct Shannon, together. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
And when the reward money reached a certain figure, you and | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
Michael Donovan agreed he would take Shannon to Dewsbury Police Station, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:36 | |
claiming he had found her on the market? | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
-It's not true. -Instead of admitting it, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
you've tried to implicate everyone except yourself. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
SHE SNIFFLES | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
Why are you crying, Miss Matthews? | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
I put it to you that those are not tears of genuine remorse, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
but of self-pity. Am I not right? | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
No. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
Look, I just, I want to ask her... "Why?" | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
Just remember, it were me that stuck me neck out and said what I thought. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
You, Julie and t'rest said nowt. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
Just thought I was being a nasty hard-faced cow. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Natalie Brown. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:54 | |
So, Karen told us someone said she should ring 999 | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
and report Shannon as missing. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
Then I asked her if one thing led to another after that and | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
she just couldn't bring herself to admit it were all a massive lie. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
Julie and me were sat there in t'back of t'car | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
willing her to admit t'truth. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
And then she takes this massive intake of breath. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
I've never heard owt like it... | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
And then suddenly it...just comes out. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
She says, "Yeah... | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
"..it's true." | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
I was speechless. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:48 | |
I was so disgusted by her, I couldn't find any words. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
Please stick to the facts, Mrs Brown, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:55 | |
your feelings are not relevant. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
I can't help it. I just thought... | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
"You liar! | 0:50:00 | 0:50:01 | |
"How could you have done that to your own child? | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
"How could you have told such a pack of lies to people | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
"you called friends?" | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
UPROAR | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
JUDGE: Quiet, please. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
DOOR OPENS | 0:50:25 | 0:50:26 | |
Julie Bushby. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
Mrs Bushby, you are about to give evidence as a witness, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
but prior to that, you have been asked to make | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
a brief assessment about the character of Miss Matthews. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
Understood. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:37 | |
The reason for this is whereas we have | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
a number of professional assessments of her co-defendant's character, | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
which may assist the jury, we have none for Miss Matthews. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
So, if you would, in your own words, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
tell the court what sort of person you believe her to be. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
Karen Matthews is weak, cowardly and a liar. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
She put her child through a horrible experience. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
She let down her community and people she said were her friends. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
And even when she eventually told t'truth she went back to | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
lying to save her own skin. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:18 | |
That's what you all want me to say, innit? | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
And it is the truth... | 0:51:24 | 0:51:25 | |
But it's a long way from t'whole truth. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
If you want to know the whole truth, you need to understand that Karen | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
is damaged. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
She's been used and abused since childhood - don't ask | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
me by who - but I'm sure the list of people's a long one. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
Most of them are men who used her for sex. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
Karen let them get away with it because she doesn't understand that | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
sex isn't the same thing as love or affection, which is what she | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
really wanted. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
And she knew she were being taken advantage of, | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
that she were being weak to let them get away with it. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
She's been weak about a lot of things. She's told lies. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
She's let people down... | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
But I will not join in with the lynch mob. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
Other people may want to use her as a human punchbag, because it | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
makes them feel better about their own lies and shit that they get up to - | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
but I'll not do it. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
I've stood by her before... | 0:52:20 | 0:52:21 | |
And I'm standing by her now. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
She's still me friend. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
-Has the jury reached a verdict? -Yes, my lord. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
On the charge of kidnap and false imprisonment, do you find the | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
defendant Karen Matthews guilty or not guilty? | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Guilty. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:48 | |
On the charge of perverting the course of justice, do you find | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
the defendant Karen Matthews guilty or not guilty? | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
Guilty. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:55 | |
CHEERING | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
Karen Matthews is pure evil. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
She started deceiving those closest to her, from the very moment | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
that Shannon was kidnapped. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
Friends, neighbours and family were under the clear impression | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
that Shannon was genuinely missing. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
They had no reason.... | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
I've finished in the kitchen. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
Yeah, about four boxes left and then we are gone, that's all. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
All right. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
Natalie. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
All right. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:20 | |
I'm er...moving off t'estate... | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
Me and Pete split up. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:28 | |
Shit, I'm sorry. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
It's probably been coming anyway. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
And I had to get away. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:37 | |
Can't face walking past that every day of me life. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
Still... | 0:54:43 | 0:54:44 | |
You have to make t'best of things, don't you? | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
You all right? | 0:54:51 | 0:54:52 | |
Er, no, not really. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
I just find it hard, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
you know, to think that all that goodwill and decency just... | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
evaporated... | 0:55:06 | 0:55:07 | |
It were all for nowt... | 0:55:09 | 0:55:10 | |
It weren't for nowt, Julie. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
You stuck up for this place. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
You made people think again about what we're really like. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
Folk admired you for it. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
Yeah, well, I stood up for Karen too, though, didn't I? | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
They didn't admire me for that. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
I did. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
But you hate her. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
No...I don't hate her. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
I'm angry with her. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
And I could never forgive like you have. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
But I'll not call you for finding it in you to do it. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
Or for standing up for her in court when t'rest of t'world wanted | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
to hang her. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
That took real guts. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
Thanks. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
Only being honest, Julie. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
Yeah, well, there'd never have been owt for | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
me to forgive if you'd not forced Karen to tell t'truth. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
We both did that. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
But you were t'one who pushed it. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
If you hadn't, we'd all still be living wi' Karen's lies. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
Well, er... | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
good luck, then. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
You too, Julie. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
If you don't teach it to fly, foxes get 'em. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
Right, then. Let's see. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
Get more under it, Peter. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
You're lifting it in t'air, not aiming at a coconut shy. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
DUCK QUACKS | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
Needs a bit more practice, by looks of it. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
Come on, you, you best get off to school. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
Oh, is he back in school? | 0:57:12 | 0:57:13 | |
Yeah. And behaving. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
-Good lad! -So far. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:16 | |
See you, then. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:19 | |
See you. Oi, pull your tie up! | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
Ta. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
So, what's next for you, then, Julie? | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
Ciggie, brew, bacon butty, then we'll see. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 |