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-This programme

-is a little different from usual.

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-I'm in Pembrokeshire

-to meet three women...

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-..who carry out work which

-isn't usually associated with women.

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-Come with me to see what it is.

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-Women Who Saw And Hammer

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-April 2010

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-This is Margaret Rhys

-from Dinas Cross.

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-I'm used to seeing Margaret

-as an accompanist...

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-..at eisteddfodau and concerts.

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-I've had the honour

-of singing with her many times.

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-Margaret, I never thought

-I'd see you doing this!

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-Neither did I!

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-What are you doing?

-Are you making some kind of joint?

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-Yes. They're called dovetails.

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-I've measured them out.

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-This helps.

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-It doesn't take

-so much manual effort to cut them.

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-This helps a little.

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-Did you get the pattern from a book?

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-No.

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-There are machines

-that can make dovetails.

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-But I had to measure this along the

-side, to fit the side of the drawer.

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-This is a drawer.

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-It's a lot of work

-which involves manual work.

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-But it helps to use this machine

-at the beginning to start off.

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-How did you become interested

-in this?

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-You've been doing it for a while.

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-You've been doing it for a while.

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-About four years.

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-You've made many pieces of furniture.

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-Yes, many.

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-You come here once a week, do you?

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-You come here once a week, do you?

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-Yes, on Tuesdays, usually.

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-I arrive in the morning

-and stay all day.

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-I go home about 6.00pm.

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-I'd better go now,

-before you tell me off!

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-When I sang a wrong note years ago,

-you told me off!

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-That was many years ago!

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-That was many years ago!

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-But we're still friends!

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-Yes!

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-Marian, you look fearsome

-with that heavy hammer.

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-This can be dangerous.

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-I can well believe it!

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-This is Marian Rogers.

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-I know her husband well.

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-I didn't know you did this.

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-I didn't know you did this.

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-I've been doing this for years.

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-I enjoy it very much.

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-You must have made a lot

-of furniture over the years.

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-Yes. I started - when was it?

-In 1998.

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-Really? You follow instructions

-to make the items.

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-This looks very well made to me.

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-But it doesn't fit properly.

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-But you'll get it to fit.

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-Look at it. But it'll come.

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-So long as I don't hinder you.

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-It fits on that side.

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-And it fits...

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-..on that side.

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-Do you follow plans or do you rely

-on your own measurements?

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-From the outset...

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-..you work out what's needed

-and what the measurements should be.

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-It must be a long working day.

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-No, the day passes quickly

-as I'm in good company.

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-Harry Wears organized

-the furniture-making courses.

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-His son, Nick, has now

-taken over as the instructor.

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-Cut the dovetails out on this end.

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-Betty Howells, you're making

-something rather unusual.

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-Yes, a sheet music cabinet.

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-Yes, a sheet music cabinet.

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-Is it for a family member?

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-It's for me.

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-For your home?

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-For your home?

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-Yes.

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-My sister-in-law has one...

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-..and it's so handy

-for storing sheets of music.

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-So I thought I'd try to make one.

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-It has lots of drawers.

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-Yes.

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-One of the drawers

-will be different from the others.

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-It will look like three drawers,

-but it's one big drawer.

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-Instead of opening downwards,

-it will open out a little...

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-..so that I can then pull it out.

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-It will make it easier

-to get into the drawer.

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-I won't have to rummage around.

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-You obviously enjoy this

-and look forward to coming here.

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-Yes.

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-It's lovely. It's really nice

-to be able to come here.

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-This smallholding

-is called Glanduad Fach.

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-It's in Felindre Farchog

-in Pembrokeshire.

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-It's the home of Marian Rogers

-and her husband Alan.

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-Marian has a collection

-of fine pieces of furniture...

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-..that she herself has made.

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-She lives

-in a wonderfully peaceful location!

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-Hello, there!

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-Hello, Dai.

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-Hello, Dai.

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-You got back safely.

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-Did you make the bench

-and the table outside?

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-Yes.

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-Yes.

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-Won't they rot outside?

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-No, they can withstand the weather.

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-The wood is well oiled.

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-The wood is well oiled.

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-This is a beautiful place.

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-You live in an ideal place.

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-You live in an ideal place.

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-Yes, it's a beautiful place.

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-I've travelled past many times...

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-..unaware that a female

-cabinet maker lived here.

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-Did you make this dresser?

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-Did you make this dresser?

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-Yes, I made the dresser.

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-I needed a dresser, but there was

-no room in the old kitchen.

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-So I told Alan, "If we have

-a new kitchen, I'll make a dresser."

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-Tell me more about the dresser.

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-What wood did you use?

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-It's maple wood.

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-A young lad from Beulah

-made the kitchen.

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-He used these decorations

-in his work...

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-..so I decided to use the same

-pattern as a finishing touch...

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-..at the top of the dresser.

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-How long did it take you to make?

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-Oh, it must have taken about a year.

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-I finished and brought

-the lower part home first.

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-Then I made the top part

-and brought it home and attached it.

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-I did that after bringing it home.

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-The drawers have dovetails,

-as they call them.

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-Those were the most difficult part.

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-Those were the most difficult part.

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-How many are there?

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-There must be lots.

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-There must be lots.

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-Six of them.

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-Is it easy to work with maple?

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-Is it easy to work with maple?

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-No. It's similar to oak.

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-It's a hardwood.

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-Mahogany is a softer wood.

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-But it marks easily.

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-If you make mistakes,

-the marks are worse.

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-With maple, you can rub marks away

-to make the surface smooth.

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-I suppose you must use wood

-that can tolerate a lot of heat...

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-..so that the joints

-don't work loose over time.

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-You have to be careful.

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-Maple is worse than oak

-in that respect.

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-If you use a piece of wood

-to hold the top together...

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-..to affix three pieces of wood,

-for example...

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-..I had to work

-on those three pieces together...

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-..to stop them from warping.

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-It's worse than oak for warping.

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-Well, it's an excellent piece.

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-I'm quite proud of it, I must say.

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-I'm sure there are more. Excellent!

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-Right, Dai. Come in here -

-there are more pieces in here.

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-What about this?

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-What about this?

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-This is a table.

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-It's called a console table.

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-It's made from oak.

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-It's made from oak.

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-It's sturdy, isn't it.

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-A corner cupboard.

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-Well, half a corner cupboard.

-I didn't make a top for it.

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-It's nice as it is.

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-It fits in the corner.

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-Very good.

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-Come in here, Dai.

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-Here's a wooden horse.

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-This was the first item I made.

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-This was your first piece, was it?

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-It took me about a year.

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-Making this horse gave me more

-pleasure than making anything else.

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-Is that because you made it

-for the grandchildren?

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-I think that may be the reason.

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-It makes me emotional,

-"Oh, the poor dab!"

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-I can imagine your grandchildren

-saying, "Mam-gu made this!"

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-Yes, that's right!

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-There's a time capsule

-inside the horse.

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-We put items

-relating to the family's history...

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-..in the time capsule.

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-Items such as family photos

-and pre-decimal coins.

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-Alan has plenty to spare!

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-The horse has a big belly!

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-The horse has a big belly!

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-They're inside its belly!

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-And a copy of that week's Tivyside

-Advertiser and a Western Mail.

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-So if anyone takes it apart,

-it'll be interesting.

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-This horse has such character.

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-It's hard to believe

-that it's the first item you made.

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-Yes. And it can take

-the weight of an adult.

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-It's strong enough

-to carry an adult.

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-There's a lovely piece of furniture

-behind me.

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-It's a hi-fi unit.

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-Is it made from a different wood?

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-Is it made from a different wood?

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-Yes, it's mahogany.

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-There are other nice pieces

-in this room too.

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-I made every single piece

-in this room.

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-The television stand

-is made of mahogany.

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-The other pieces are made of oak...

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-..apart from the coffee table,

-which is also mahogany.

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-Let me show you one more room.

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-The gaffer is home!

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-The gaffer is home!

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-Hello, Dai. How are you?

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-Very well.

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-Aren't you working today?

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-I hope the others

-are doing some work.

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-It's amazing, what your wife can do.

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-It's amazing, what your wife can do.

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-She's clever, isn't she.

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-Do you knit or sew?

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-Do you knit or sew?

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-I'm good at sewing.

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-After selling machinery all day,

-it makes a change.

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-It's rare to see

-so many home-made pieces.

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-I'm proud of what she's done.

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-The dresser is amazing.

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-She made two other dressers, for our

-daughters in Llanelli and Eglwyswrw.

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-They're very similar.

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-Tell me about these pieces.

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-This is a computer desk.

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-The door opens like this.

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-Can he use a computer?

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-Yes, he can!

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-I haven't used it today, though.

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-Well done!

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-That's mahogany,

-like the other pieces.

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-There's a sideboard over there...

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-..and a table

-with room to store wine bottles.

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-It's a large console table.

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-Has Marian mentioned...

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-..who carried all this furniture

-home from the workshop?

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-No, but she said

-that was the easiest task!

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-Really? I transported them all

-in an Ifor Williams trailer!

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-We have to use a trailer.

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-She spends just one day a week

-at the workshop...

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-..yet she has managed to produce

-all this furniture.

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-How long have you been doing this?

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-How long have you been doing this?

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-Twelve years.

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-I do my carpentry work

-every Tuesday.

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-I don't do anything else.

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-If you had your own workshop,

-would you be there every day?

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-Yes, I would.

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-I'd be there

-whenever I had something to do.

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-Extraordinary, fascinating

-and a pleasure to see.

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-This is the most enjoyable work

-I've done for ages...

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-..looking at furniture

-made by these women.

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-They've worked hard.

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-Betty Howells lives here

-in Crundale in Pembrokeshire.

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-Let's see if she's at home. Hello!

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-Hello!

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-Hello!

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-How are you?

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-Fine, thank you.

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-Come inside.

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-Come inside.

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-There's furniture everywhere.

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-That's a nice table.

-Did you make it?

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-Yes.

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-Yes.

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-It's a big table.

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-Yes. I wanted a large table.

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-It's nice that the whole family

-can sit around the table for a meal.

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-On a fine day,

-it's nice to go outside...

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-..even if it's only

-for a cup of tea.

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-It's awkward

-if the table isn't big enough.

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-Did you design the table?

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-Did you design the table?

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-We designed it together.

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-Nick is good.

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-How long have you been

-taking these classes?

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-Two years to last week.

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-Really?

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-You've done so much work already.

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-Is it something

-you were determined to learn?

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-No, it happened by accident.

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-I wanted a table like that one,

-with a chess board on the top.

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-I asked Nick

-if he'd make one for me...

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-..and he said, "No, I won't.

-If you want it, make it yourself."

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-I said, "I can't,"

-but he told me to try it.

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-He promised me I could do it -

-and I did.

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-It's a lovely piece.

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-A lot of your work involves a lathe.

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-Everything I've made so far,

-apart from the table...

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-..has been made using a lathe.

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-These have been turned.

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-These have been turned.

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-That kind of work isn't easy.

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-No. The items must be held

-in a certain way.

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-If you don't use the correct

-technique, the blade jerks back.

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-I'm particularly impressed with this.

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-It's well made.

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-Nick wasn't sure what I wanted.

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-I tried to explain to him

-and we drew a sketch together...

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-..and here's the finished product.

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-This was plain,

-but I said I didn't want it plain...

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-..so we decorated it like this.

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-Nick's sister did the upholstery.

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-How long did it take you?

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-You went to your first lesson...

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-Did it last about an hour?

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-I attended for half a day

-at the start.

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-But I felt, by the time I got there

-and started to make something...

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-..it was time to finish and someone

-else would take my place.

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-After a term, during which

-I was making that table...

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-..I felt it was too slow and I asked

-Nick if I could go full-time.

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-I finished the table

-after three full days.

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-It took me 17 days in all

-to make that table.

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-And I had never done

-any carpentry before.

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-You must feel tremendous pride

-when looking around your home.

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-Well, sometimes you think,

-"Did I really make that?"

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-Yes, it does give me pleasure.

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-My favourite item, maybe, is this.

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-I had to cut all this out.

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-I had to draw the picture,

-then transfer it on to the wood...

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-..and then I had to cut it all out.

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-It's all a single piece.

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-It's all a single piece.

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-It's amazing.

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-I enjoy seeing what you've done.

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-These items

-have a certain character.

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-After a hard day in the workshop...

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-..Margaret Rhys and Marian Rogers

-occasionally find time to relax.

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-What could be better

-than a golf course beside the sea?

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-# Merch Y Mynydd #

-Lowri Evans

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-# A maid of the mountain,

-that's who I am

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-# A maid of the mountain #

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-Ooh!

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-Did you film that?!

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-If that's not on film,

-I'll be furious!

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-Is this where it's all happening?

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-I could hear you laughing

-from down below!

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-There's a strong wind.

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-There's a strong wind.

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-Yes. We're up high.

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-How many times a week

-do you play golf?

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-Twice, if we can.

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-I don't play so often.

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-You play more regularly.

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-Wednesdays and Fridays, usually.

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-I saw Margaret

-walking on the skyline...

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-..and she looked

-like a proper golfer!

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-I'm sure!

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-Yes, indeed!

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-You've been playing golf for years,

-haven't you?

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-We've been playing for years,

-but we haven't made much progress!

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-Nine women started playing

-at the same time.

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-Nine Welsh speakers.

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-The golf club here in Newport

-is convenient for you.

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-And look at the view!

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-It's magnificent.

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-It's magnificent.

-

-Who'd want to go anywhere else?

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-You have the sea and the hills.

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-And the wind!

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-Marian, don't you travel around,

-playing golf? Come on!

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-You travel around.

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-I'm going tomorrow.

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-I'm going tomorrow.

-

-Alan told me.

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-I'm going away tomorrow

-for three days.

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-To Caerphilly.

-Bryn Meadows in Caerphilly.

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-I'm going with other women.

-It's an all-female group.

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-I've played golf once or twice.

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-It's something I'd like to do.

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-It keeps you fit.

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-The views are magnificent.

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-All golf courses have fine views,

-though not as fine as these.

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-These buggies

-mean you don't have to walk so much.

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-We walk, we don't use a buggy.

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-Not yet.

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-Perhaps I won't use a buggy

-when I play golf.

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-# In my mother's little border

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-# The prettiest flowers grew #

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-This is the home of Margaret Rhys

-and her husband Morys.

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-Y Sgubor is in Pembrokeshire.

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-These flowers are lovely.

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-Let's go and see the furniture.

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-Hello, hello!

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-Hello, hello!

-

-Hello!

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-Blimey!

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-Margaret,

-there's furniture everywhere!

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-Yes.

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-And outside in the back garden too.

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-It's hard to believe you were able

-to handle those large chairs.

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-They're heavy.

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-They're heavy.

-

-Those are very heavy.

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-The wind will never blow them over.

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-Where do you get your ideas?

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-I was discussing this with Marian.

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-You have a young grandchild.

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-Is that the reason

-why you're driven to do this?

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-I think so.

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-The item that's given me the

-greatest pleasure over the years...

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-..is this box for Gruffudd,

-my grandson.

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-He can use that to play draughts.

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-That's right.

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-What's the purpose of the box?

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-What's the purpose of the box?

-

-It's a toy box.

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-It's a toy box.

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-The lid lifts off like this.

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-I thought it looked a bit boring,

-just a box.

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-But you can remove

-the sides as well.

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-I've carved his name on here -

-Gruffudd.

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-Well done!

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-In case he forgot!

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-It's a very large box.

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-Yes.

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-The back comes off too.

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-Your next problem...

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-Your next problem...

-

-It's heavy.

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-Your next problem

-is to fill it with toys.

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-I thought it would be nice for him

-to be able to get in and out of it.

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-He can pretend it's a farm,

-or sit in it, or whatever.

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-I'm very proud of this.

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-It's such a clever idea.

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-And look at the skilled work

-around the corners.

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-Don't look too closely!

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-It's superb.

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-It was hard work, I must admit.

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-A lot of work.

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-What's that behind you?

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-What's that behind you?

-

-No, this was a wedding present.

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-From someone else.

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-I must say, your work

-doesn't look out of place.

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-Fair play.

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-I think that cupboard may have

-sparked my interest in carpentry.

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-A member of the chapel made this

-when Morys and I got married.

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-I love it.

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-I love its colour

-and the grain of the wood.

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-It was a very special gift

-to receive.

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-Yes.

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-If it inspired Margaret Rhys to make

-furniture, it's done a good job.

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-I'm behind you.

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-This is the first piece I made.

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-A piano stool.

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-I didn't have a piano stool

-and I needed one.

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-I hadn't seen one I wanted to buy,

-so that was the first thing I made.

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-I'm proud of it.

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-Next door to the place

-where the classes are held...

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-..my sister does upholstery.

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-She helped me with this.

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-So you did all of it.

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-So you did all of it.

-

-Yes. She just showed me the way.

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-What a good start.

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-I'm not surprised that you chose to

-make something to go with the piano.

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-It was something I needed.

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-Oh, here we are!

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-A remarkable room!

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-Well, I don't know.

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-There's this.

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-I have to admit,

-I nearly gave up on this.

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-The drawers.

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-I spent three whole days

-fitting this drawer alone.

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-But they're such useful pieces.

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-All the items you women have made

-are pieces in daily use.

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-And there's this.

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-This is handy.

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-For about two months,

-when I slept in this room...

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-..I kept a mallet

-by the side of the bed...

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-..because I couldn't open...

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-..because I couldn't open...

-

-Because of rats?

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-No! Because I couldn't

-open or close any of the drawers!

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-I wonder how Morys felt

-about you and your mallet!

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-He had to behave himself!

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