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-Hello and welcome to Cofio -where TV clips from yesteryear...	0:00:27	0:00:31
-..bring the memories -flooding back for our guests.	0:00:31	0:00:35
-Tonight, who knows what will happen!	0:00:35	0:00:38
-My guest is an actor -and pantomime producer...	0:00:38	0:00:41
-..but he's also someone who speaks -his mind - aren't you, Dafydd Hywel?	0:00:41	0:00:45
-It has been known, I suppose. -It's nice to see you anyway.	0:00:45	0:00:49
-Or Hywel Evans - that's how you're -known in the Amman Valley.	0:00:49	0:00:54
-When I started with Cwmni Theatr -Cymru, I was David Hywel.	0:00:54	0:00:58
-I wanted to be called John Wayne Jr -but Wilbert Lloyd Roberts refused.	0:00:58	0:01:02
-That's where the DH started.	0:01:02	0:01:04
-To most of the boys -I played rugby with, I'm Evans.	0:01:05	0:01:08
-If someone calls me Hywel, -I know they're from my home area.	0:01:09	0:01:13
-Amman Utd, of course.	0:01:14	0:01:16
-Amman Utd. You can zoom in -on the tie when you have time.	0:01:16	0:01:20
-Where do we start?	0:01:21	0:01:22
-Let's start with the mole, -the most famous mole in Wales.	0:01:22	0:01:26
-That was a lot of fun.	0:01:27	0:01:29
-I finished my time -with Cwmni Theatr Cymru in 1971.	0:01:29	0:01:33
-Peter Elias Jones was the Head of -Children's programmes at the time.	0:01:33	0:01:38
-Miri Mawr had already started.	0:01:38	0:01:41
-Llewelyn and Blodyn Tatws -had already been created.	0:01:41	0:01:44
-He called me in for the part of -a mole that would last three months.	0:01:44	0:01:49
-In a small studio in Pontcanna, -we chose the mole's costume.	0:01:49	0:01:53
-The first costume we chose -was similar to the Wombles.	0:01:54	0:01:57
-Caleb was supposed to look like the -Wombles before the Wombles started.	0:01:57	0:02:01
-Eventually, -we found furry black clothes...	0:02:02	0:02:05
-..and the character lasted -for three years.	0:02:05	0:02:09
-The programme was watched -by children and adults alike.	0:02:09	0:02:13
-That's how I became friends -with a lot of rugby supporters.	0:02:13	0:02:17
-It was a great time.	0:02:17	0:02:19
-It was a great time. - -Here's a clip.	0:02:19	0:02:20
-# If you'd like to know -how a man like me earns a living	0:02:26	0:02:31
-# I was taught by my father	0:02:33	0:02:34
-# The first skill of mankind	0:02:35	0:02:38
-# Dear butties	0:02:38	0:02:41
-# I learnt to turn the swamp -into a fertile meadow	0:02:41	0:02:44
-# To grow green grass -on arid desert land	0:02:44	0:02:47
-# I sleep at night -and I awake at dawn	0:02:48	0:02:52
-# I sleep at night	0:02:54	0:02:56
-# And I awake at dawn	0:02:57	0:02:59
-# To follow the harrow -along the steep slopes	0:03:02	0:03:05
-# And follow the rusty plough	0:03:05	0:03:07
-# On top of the high mountain	0:03:08	0:03:10
-# And follow the rusty plough	0:03:12	0:03:14
-# On top of the high mountain	0:03:14	0:03:18
-# Yeah, yeah, yeah, -yeah, yeah, yeah #	0:03:18	0:03:22
-I was having a little nap.	0:03:31	0:03:34
-A little...?	0:03:34	0:03:36
-A little nap?	0:03:37	0:03:39
-Oh, dear me.	0:03:41	0:03:43
-Never mind. -It's nice to have you back.	0:03:43	0:03:47
-Worth my weight in gold, -my little chicks.	0:03:47	0:03:51
-Remember, Caleb, I would have -slept for another week...	0:03:51	0:03:55
-..if it wasn't for all this noise.	0:03:56	0:03:59
-Caleb, Blodyn Tatws and Dan Dwr.	0:04:00	0:04:03
-It's an example of how something -can work on two levels.	0:04:03	0:04:07
-A children's programme -which appealed to all ages.	0:04:07	0:04:10
-I wish they could find -more of those tapes to find out.	0:04:11	0:04:14
-People believed -in the characters so much.	0:04:14	0:04:17
-Henry was the floor manager and -we could hear the director saying...	0:04:17	0:04:21
-.."Cue, Blod."	0:04:21	0:04:23
-Henry would say, "Cue, Blod."	0:04:24	0:04:26
-"Cue, Blod!" "I am cueing Blod."	0:04:27	0:04:29
-Henry was cueing the puppet -and not Robin Griffith!	0:04:29	0:04:32
-It was a lot of fun.	0:04:32	0:04:34
-Did the interest in acting -start at home?	0:04:34	0:04:37
-We spoke earlier about your -upbringing in the Amman Valley.	0:04:37	0:04:41
-I attended Sunday school and chapel -and I sang as a child...	0:04:41	0:04:45
-..but I'd always liked films.	0:04:46	0:04:48
-I wanted to be a film star -like Kirk Douglas or Rod Steiger.	0:04:48	0:04:52
-My family could sing - -my mother could sing...	0:04:54	0:04:57
-..and my mother's sister -had won the soprano competition...	0:04:57	0:05:01
-..in the Eisteddfod.	0:05:02	0:05:03
-In school, -we only studied English plays.	0:05:03	0:05:06
-I was more interested -in rugby, cricket and boxing.	0:05:07	0:05:10
-There was hardly any acting.	0:05:11	0:05:13
-You lived in a close-knit -coal mining community.	0:05:13	0:05:17
-It's such a shame that those -communities have changed so much.	0:05:17	0:05:21
-I sometimes think -it's not my village any more.	0:05:21	0:05:25
-You hear so much English -being spoken on the streets.	0:05:25	0:05:29
-People have moved in to the area.	0:05:29	0:05:32
-It doesn't bother me -as long as they respect the area.	0:05:32	0:05:36
-I don't think they do.	0:05:36	0:05:37
-Dafydd Elis-Thomas said...	0:05:37	0:05:39
-..that the battle -for the Welsh language is over.	0:05:40	0:05:43
-A visit to the Amman Valley -would change his mind.	0:05:43	0:05:46
-I speak Welsh to my friends...	0:05:47	0:05:49
-..but I wish youngsters -would speak more of it.	0:05:49	0:05:52
-They'll miss it when it's gone.	0:05:52	0:05:54
-That's what makes me different.	0:05:54	0:05:56
-I'm no better -than any other Welshman...	0:05:56	0:05:59
-..but the language is important.	0:05:59	0:06:01
-We have a clip -of Jim Griffiths next.	0:06:01	0:06:04
-Let's step back to 1970 -and coal mining in the Amman Valley.	0:06:04	0:06:08
-This was the old custom.	0:06:11	0:06:14
-A collier would have a drum, -a full tub of coal as it came...	0:06:14	0:06:22
-..from the coalface, -as the collier was filling it.	0:06:22	0:06:25
-He would bring it back to the house -to inspect it.	0:06:26	0:06:30
-It was fine coal - duff.	0:06:30	0:06:32
-What did we do with this fine coal?	0:06:32	0:06:36
-We kept all the fine coal -together...	0:06:36	0:06:39
-..and then we'd search for clay -up on the mountainside.	0:06:39	0:06:42
-We mixed the clay with the fine coal -and added water.	0:06:43	0:06:48
-We ensured they mixed well by -pressing it down in colliers' shoes.	0:06:48	0:06:55
-You took a piece of it in your hand -and rolled it into a ball.	0:06:56	0:07:00
-We'd roll it into briquettes -and leave it on the fire at night...	0:07:00	0:07:05
-..and the fire would last -through the night.	0:07:05	0:07:09
-We all made little briquettes.	0:07:09	0:07:11
-That way, -we used every piece of coal.	0:07:11	0:07:15
-If you added fine coal on its own, -the fire would go out.	0:07:15	0:07:19
-When you mixed it with clay -and made little briquettes...	0:07:19	0:07:22
-..the fire would last -through the night.	0:07:23	0:07:25
-Mam said the fire in our kitchen -had been burning for 20 years.	0:07:26	0:07:30
-The little briquettes would -keep it going through the night.	0:07:30	0:07:34
-You remember those being made.	0:07:35	0:07:37
-Dad would make them. -They kept the fire burning.	0:07:37	0:07:40
-Listening to what you've said -about the coal mining communities...	0:07:41	0:07:45
-..is there a danger -of over-romanticizing...	0:07:45	0:07:49
-..the coal mining valleys -and your upbringing?	0:07:49	0:07:53
-I don't think so. -My father wasn't a collier.	0:07:53	0:07:56
-He worked in a tin works and then -he went down to work in Pembrey...	0:07:56	0:08:00
-..but most of the family -worked down the coal mines.	0:08:00	0:08:04
-No, not at all. That's why -I hate Maggie Thatcher so much.	0:08:04	0:08:09
-Men had to work in seams -that were this deep on their backs.	0:08:09	0:08:14
-I don't know how they did it.	0:08:15	0:08:17
-Everyone in the community -was on the same level.	0:08:17	0:08:20
-I remember a friend of mine -sending me a newspaper article...	0:08:20	0:08:24
-..from the day the Queen Mother -got married, back in 19-something.	0:08:24	0:08:30
-On the day she got married, -ten miners died in Trimsaran.	0:08:30	0:08:34
-The rope snapped and down they went.	0:08:34	0:08:37
-Three of them were under 15 -and the eldest was 60.	0:08:37	0:08:41
-They couldn't identify the youngest.	0:08:41	0:08:45
-There were no mortuaries -at the time...	0:08:45	0:08:48
-..so they brought a dog in -to identify the youngster.	0:08:48	0:08:52
-There's nothing romantic about it.	0:08:52	0:08:54
-I don't think they received -the acclaim they deserved.	0:08:55	0:08:58
-The coal mining communities -lead us to a film...	0:08:58	0:09:02
-..that was made -during the Miners' Strike...	0:09:02	0:09:05
-..Yr Alcoholig Llon.	0:09:05	0:09:07
-Let's see a clip of the film -before we discuss it.	0:09:07	0:09:11
-Oh.	0:09:15	0:09:16
-I didn't do that again, did I?	0:09:20	0:09:22
-I don't remember, see.	0:09:25	0:09:27
-I can't remember anything.	0:09:29	0:09:31
-No, you never remember.	0:09:32	0:09:34
-You don't remember raping me.	0:09:35	0:09:37
-You don't remember hitting me.	0:09:38	0:09:41
-You don't remember.	0:09:41	0:09:43
-Look, I swear -never to drink again.	0:09:45	0:09:49
-I've heard that so many times, -I've heard that so many times.	0:09:49	0:09:54
-Don't start that story -with me again.	0:09:54	0:09:56
-Saying stupid things like that.	0:09:58	0:10:00
-You can't give it up, you can't give -it up, it's taken over your life.	0:10:00	0:10:04
-I'm not... -I don't love you any more.	0:10:04	0:10:09
-This is over. It's all over.	0:10:10	0:10:15
-I don't feel anything, you know. -I don't feel anything for you.	0:10:19	0:10:23
-You worked with director Karl Francis -on that film.	0:10:27	0:10:31
-Karl Francis is renowned for dealing -with traumatic subjects...	0:10:31	0:10:37
-..and when he directed, he allowed -you to do a lot on your own.	0:10:37	0:10:43
-That was Eluned and me -ad-libbing the scene.	0:10:44	0:10:47
-He planted an idea in our heads -and off we went.	0:10:47	0:10:50
-I've done about six films with him. -We have a love-hate relationship!	0:10:51	0:10:55
-We've almost come to blows -on numerous occasions.	0:10:55	0:10:58
-Most of that film -was filmed in the Amman Valley.	0:10:59	0:11:02
-A lot of men in the film -have sadly passed away.	0:11:02	0:11:06
-I learnt a lot about alcoholism -when we made the film.	0:11:06	0:11:11
-I knew one person - he would sit in -his room, in the same place all day.	0:11:11	0:11:17
-He would walk or crawl -around his own mess...	0:11:17	0:11:21
-..and he would grab a vodka bottle -he'd hidden under the sink...	0:11:21	0:11:25
-..handle it as if it was a little -baby and return it to its place.	0:11:25	0:11:31
-You've spoken about how you -drank more after making that film.	0:11:31	0:11:36
-I like a pint and I went through -a difficult time.	0:11:36	0:11:40
-It was my fault - -there was no-one else to blame.	0:11:40	0:11:44
-I went to live in Rosebush, -near Tafarn Sinc.	0:11:44	0:11:47
-The people were lovely -and they were a great help.	0:11:47	0:11:50
-It was my fault, no-one else's.	0:11:50	0:11:53
-In such times, a person finds out -who his friends are.	0:11:53	0:11:57
-They stayed with me -throughout that time.	0:11:58	0:12:01
-Everything's fine now. -I still like a pint, though.	0:12:01	0:12:04
-I just felt sorry for myself -and that's worse than anything.	0:12:05	0:12:10
-Suddenly, you say, "Snap out of it. -Mam wouldn't be proud of you."	0:12:10	0:12:15
-I think that's a good place -to end the first half.	0:12:15	0:12:19
-In Part 2, we'll touch -on another personal battle...	0:12:19	0:12:23
-..you fought in the 1980s.	0:12:24	0:12:26
-Join us after the break.	0:12:26	0:12:28
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-Welcome back.	0:12:48	0:12:50
-We're reliving the olden days -with Amman Valley actor Dafydd Hywel.	0:12:50	0:12:55
-Next, we're taking you back to 1984.	0:12:55	0:13:00
-You fought a personal battle -in the field of education.	0:13:00	0:13:04
-Before we discuss -the events of that year...	0:13:04	0:13:07
-..let's watch some news footage -from that time.	0:13:08	0:13:11
-Dafydd Hywel taking his daughter -to Ysgol Coed-Y-Gof.	0:13:15	0:13:18
-Her brother -was already a pupil there...	0:13:19	0:13:21
-..but the school was full and -the education authority insisted...	0:13:21	0:13:25
-..that Catrin should attend -another school three miles away.	0:13:26	0:13:30
-The actor failed to overturn -the decision by legal means...	0:13:31	0:13:35
-..but he took his daughter -to Coed-Y-Gof.	0:13:35	0:13:38
-Since she wasn't allowed into class, -she stayed in the hallway.	0:13:38	0:13:42
-More legal battles could have led -to Dafydd Hywel being imprisoned...	0:13:42	0:13:47
-..but he won the final battle as -the High Court ruled in his favour.	0:13:47	0:13:52
-It was a difficult time -for you as a family.	0:13:57	0:14:01
-Yes, and I need to pay tribute -to my wife, Betty.	0:14:01	0:14:04
-She stuck with me right through it.	0:14:04	0:14:07
-Every now and then, -she must have been worried...	0:14:07	0:14:10
-..that I was going too far.	0:14:10	0:14:12
-I just wanted Catrin -to be in the same school as Llyr.	0:14:12	0:14:16
-We'd moved from Caerphilly...	0:14:16	0:14:18
-..and they wanted Catrin -to attend a school in Llanrumney...	0:14:18	0:14:23
-..the newly-opened Ysgol Bro Eirwg.	0:14:23	0:14:26
-I wanted both of them -in the same school.	0:14:26	0:14:28
-As you heard on the clip, -I would take her to the hallway...	0:14:28	0:14:32
-..and the headmaster, Tom Evans, -and his staff were fantastic.	0:14:32	0:14:36
-She would join her class later...	0:14:36	0:14:38
-..though -she was officially disallowed.	0:14:39	0:14:41
-She didn't miss out -on her education.	0:14:41	0:14:44
-We had to go to the High Court -in London.	0:14:44	0:14:46
-I'll tell you something now -that only a few friends know...	0:14:47	0:14:50
-..to illustrate how I was treated -by Cardiff Council.	0:14:50	0:14:53
-They tried to send me to prison.	0:14:54	0:14:56
-I went to the school, -Catrin was in the hallway...	0:14:56	0:14:59
-..and by the way, Catrin thought -she'd been adopted some years ago...	0:14:59	0:15:04
-..because of all this trouble...	0:15:04	0:15:06
-..and someone said Mr Evans -wanted to see me.	0:15:06	0:15:09
-I went to the headmaster's office - -Tom, he was a top man...	0:15:09	0:15:13
-..and this tall gentleman said...	0:15:13	0:15:15
-.."I've come to take -your daughter into care."	0:15:16	0:15:19
-I won't use the adjectives -I used that day...	0:15:19	0:15:21
-..but I said, "You touch -my little girl and I'll kill you."	0:15:22	0:15:25
-I picked up a chair, I had it in -my hand and I would have used it.	0:15:25	0:15:29
-Fortunately, -Tom spoke to him and he left.	0:15:30	0:15:32
-We won the battle and that was it.	0:15:33	0:15:35
-The two have done well ever since -and I'm very proud of them.	0:15:35	0:15:39
-Events like that do leave a mark.	0:15:40	0:15:42
-I think it's worse now.	0:15:42	0:15:44
-I hate them more now -than I did then.	0:15:44	0:15:48
-It could have had an adverse effect -on Catrin and Llyr, and Betty too.	0:15:50	0:15:54
-They could have thrown me out -many times but they stuck with me.	0:15:56	0:16:00
-I'll never forgive Cardiff Council -or anyone associated with them.	0:16:01	0:16:06
-Something that's come to the fore -is how important your friends are.	0:16:06	0:16:12
-They're crucial -and all-important to you.	0:16:12	0:16:16
-One of your closest friends -was Grav.	0:16:16	0:16:20
-Here's a clip of Grav -in conversation with Huw Eic.	0:16:20	0:16:24
-This is Mynydd-y-Garreg, -the village where you were raised.	0:16:26	0:16:30
-This is the place, -in that little cottage on the hill.	0:16:30	0:16:34
-A wonderful place to live. -Tremendous views.	0:16:34	0:16:37
-You can see across the whole valley -and the Gwendraeth river...	0:16:37	0:16:42
-..all the way to Llansaint hill...	0:16:42	0:16:45
-..down to Kidwelly -and Carmarthenshire.	0:16:45	0:16:48
-I have many happy memories.	0:16:48	0:16:50
-What kind of village -was it to grow up in?	0:16:50	0:16:53
-A very happy village, Huw.	0:16:53	0:16:55
-Everyone was ready -to help one another.	0:16:55	0:16:58
-People didn't knock the door -when going to see their neighbours.	0:16:58	0:17:02
-This is where the rugby started.	0:17:03	0:17:05
-This is where it all started. -You'd never think so to look at it.	0:17:05	0:17:10
-It's a world away -from Cardiff Arms Park.	0:17:10	0:17:13
-On this field?	0:17:13	0:17:14
-On this field? - -On this field here.	0:17:14	0:17:16
-It's changed quite a lot. -It doesn't look much of a field now.	0:17:16	0:17:20
-Back then, it was huge.	0:17:21	0:17:23
-Having left Ysgol Mynydd-y-Garreg...	0:17:23	0:17:25
-..he was educated in Burry Port -and Carmarthen.	0:17:25	0:17:29
-A job with the electricity board -was the next step.	0:17:29	0:17:33
-He followed in the footsteps -of his rugby hero, Delme Thomas.	0:17:33	0:17:39
-He also spends his working day -climbing poles.	0:17:39	0:17:43
-How did you meet Grav?	0:17:46	0:17:48
-How did you meet Grav? - -Carwyn James.	0:17:48	0:17:50
-I was playing -against Llanelli Athletic.	0:17:51	0:17:54
-I'd appeared in a film -called All In The Game.	0:17:54	0:17:57
-It was about a youngster who wanted -to play for his country...	0:17:58	0:18:02
-..but was mollycoddled -by his mother.	0:18:02	0:18:04
-Grav had seen the film...	0:18:05	0:18:06
-..and saw something of himself -in the character.	0:18:06	0:18:09
-He was a huge fan of Caleb too.	0:18:10	0:18:12
-We became great friends after that.	0:18:12	0:18:14
-I have some great photos at home -of him with Llyr and Catrin.	0:18:15	0:18:20
-He was such a character.	0:18:20	0:18:22
-I love the song Alun Sbardun Huws -and Tebot Piws have written...	0:18:22	0:18:27
-..Y Cawr O'r Mynydd.	0:18:27	0:18:29
-It describes him perfectly.	0:18:29	0:18:31
-My brother had passed away -the previous year...	0:18:31	0:18:35
-..and I lost -my other "brother" soon after.	0:18:35	0:18:38
-Often he'd say, "I'm going to give -you a hiding now."	0:18:38	0:18:42
-He'd say, "If you were six foot, -you'd be in prison."	0:18:42	0:18:46
-He was so proud -of Manon, Gwen and Mari...	0:18:46	0:18:49
-..but he was one of a kind.	0:18:49	0:18:51
-Sue Roderick, Ray and I, with a band -would organize entertainment nights.	0:18:52	0:18:56
-He'd ask the same thing every time, -"Expenses? Expenses?"	0:18:56	0:19:00
-"Yes, I'll give -you bl**dy expenses!"	0:19:00	0:19:03
-He'd turn up and ask, -"What do you want me to say?"	0:19:03	0:19:07
-"Ten minutes at the start -and ten minutes in the middle."	0:19:07	0:19:11
-Many times, Sue and I -were on the side of the stage...	0:19:11	0:19:15
-..shouting, "Get off, get off!"	0:19:15	0:19:17
-We couldn't get him off!	0:19:17	0:19:19
-I expect to see him -coming around the corner every day.	0:19:20	0:19:24
-Every time I went down -to Mynydd-y-Garreg...	0:19:25	0:19:28
-..he'd ask what I wanted to drink -and I'd get it an hour later.	0:19:28	0:19:32
-He'd always say, -and Mari says the same now...	0:19:32	0:19:35
-..I go down, drink his booze, -eat his food and go home.	0:19:35	0:19:39
-I miss him very much.	0:19:39	0:19:40
-We head in an entirely different -direction now, the world of boxing.	0:19:40	0:19:45
-It's something you enjoy greatly.	0:19:45	0:19:48
-I've loved boxing -since I was a young boy.	0:19:48	0:19:51
-I like boxers from yesteryear.	0:19:51	0:19:53
-I don't think much -of contemporary boxers.	0:19:54	0:19:57
-I researched the lives of Freddie -Welsh, Jimmy Wilde and Jim Driscoll.	0:19:57	0:20:01
-Their stories are fantastic.	0:20:01	0:20:03
-We have an old clip tonight. -Let's go back to 1937.	0:20:04	0:20:07
-Tommy Farr v Joe Louis.	0:20:08	0:20:09
-Tommy Farr, -what makes you think you will win?	0:20:14	0:20:16
-What makes you so confident? -I'm 23, the same age as you.	0:20:17	0:20:21
-I've had over 3,000 rounds -of actual fighting.	0:20:21	0:20:25
-# Mae hen wlad fy nhadau #	0:20:25	0:20:28
-New York.	0:20:29	0:20:30
-Joe Louis meets Tommy Farr, -a popular challenger from Wales...	0:20:31	0:20:35
-..in a 15-round bout for the title.	0:20:35	0:20:38
-This is the first time -that a new heavyweight champion...	0:20:39	0:20:43
-..has put his title on the line -so soon after winning it.	0:20:43	0:20:46
-Everyone figures him to win by -a knock-out before the sixth round.	0:20:47	0:20:51
-Farr has done very well tonight. -He's given Louis quite a tussle.	0:20:51	0:20:55
-Never saw so many left jabs.	0:20:57	0:20:59
-The moment one starts a left jab, -the other's left hand shoots out too.	0:21:00	0:21:04
-Farr's handlers are very excited. -They think he won.	0:21:05	0:21:09
-Here's the announcement.	0:21:09	0:21:11
-The winner and still champion, -Louis.	0:21:11	0:21:15
-Joe Louis wins his first title -defence as heavyweight champion.	0:21:15	0:21:20
-"Cymru am byth!"	0:21:22	0:21:24
-You said you liked the boxers -from yesteryear.	0:21:25	0:21:29
-Why do they appeal to you so much?	0:21:29	0:21:32
-First and foremost, they're Welsh.	0:21:32	0:21:35
-I met Tommy Farr in Pontcanna.	0:21:35	0:21:38
-I'm sure he spoke Welsh - he sang -a Welsh song before his bouts.	0:21:38	0:21:45
-He was sitting there all on his own.	0:21:45	0:21:47
-I sat with him -for an hour and a half.	0:21:48	0:21:50
-He was a softly spoken man.	0:21:50	0:21:52
-He lost a lot of money and then made -some money working for a paint firm.	0:21:53	0:21:58
-I asked him...	0:21:58	0:22:00
-.."Mr Farr, did you beat Joe Louis?"	0:22:01	0:22:03
-Quietly, he replied, "I'll tell you -now. It was very, very close.	0:22:03	0:22:10
-"But Joe -was just that little bit better."	0:22:11	0:22:15
-I mentioned earlier that you're -renowned for producing pantomimes.	0:22:16	0:22:21
-Is there one this year?	0:22:21	0:22:23
-Yes - Bartholomew Roberts from -Little Newcastle in Pembrokeshire...	0:22:24	0:22:28
-..or Barti Ddu as he was more -commonly known after his death.	0:22:28	0:22:32
-We start in Cardiff and tour around -Wales until we reach Carmarthen.	0:22:33	0:22:37
-It's a good way to bring history -alive for young people.	0:22:37	0:22:41
-I'm a firm believer in that. -This is what the schools need.	0:22:41	0:22:46
-Stories to make us proud -to be Welsh.	0:22:46	0:22:49
-It's the same with the boxing.	0:22:49	0:22:51
-Adults, young people and children -should be told about their history.	0:22:51	0:22:56
-Carwyn said years ago...	0:22:57	0:22:59
-..people know enough about -Auntie Jane and nothing about Mam.	0:22:59	0:23:03
-We try to inspire youngsters...	0:23:04	0:23:05
-..to be more aware -when they return to school.	0:23:06	0:23:08
-Good luck with the panto. You have -brought history alive tonight.	0:23:09	0:23:13
-Yes, I've recalled -a few events from my memory.	0:23:13	0:23:16
-Thank you, Heledd.	0:23:17	0:23:18
-Join us again next week when I'll be -joined by another familiar face...	0:23:18	0:23:24
-..for a trip down memory lane.	0:23:24	0:23:27
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-# Remember #	0:23:45	0:23:47
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