Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:00 Dal Ati

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-Welcome to Codi Pac.

-I, Geraint Hardy, will be travelling

-all around Wales...

-..to find some of our treasures.

-If you want a weekend away,

-you needn't travel far.

-It's all on the doorstep.

-Places to eat, places to stay,

-things to do and see.

-They're all here on Codi Pac.

-I need a few things

-for this journey. They're all here.

-I have a notebook, pamphlets,

-an orange camera...

-..a mobile phone, water, bag

-and a car.

-I don't need my passport

-because I'm staying in Wales.

-Wales may be small but

-there's plenty to do and see here.

-Over the next six programmes...

-..I'll be visiting

-six different locations.

-From Wrexham to Machynlleth,

-from Beaumaris to Merthyr Tydfil.

-I'll be looking at places to stay

-and places to eat.

-I'll find out a bit about local

-history and try out some activities.

-From the exciting to the relaxed,

-there'll be something for everyone.

-For help

-following the programme...

-..head to the website

-or search for the Dal Ati app.

-On the programme this week.

-Owain Glyndwr, Led Zeppelin

-and a girl named Alice...

-..a tree-top refuge

-and an underground adventure...

-..and much, much more.

-Welcome to Codi Pac in Machynlleth.

-The first thing I need to do is find

-my accommodation for tonight.

-Apparently,

-I'll be sleeping with the birds...

-..under the canopy of leaves.

-I haven't seen inside this

-place yet.

-The journey to get here

-was incredible.

-I came through the woods

-and past the bluebells.

-If the experience up there is

-anything like down here...

-..it will be amazing.

-What a way to get to somewhere over

-this bridge, it's exciting.

-This is even better.

-Look at this area.

-It's like an extra room under

-the canopy of leaves.

-There's natural wood everywhere.

-Look at this, quite a special table,

-to say the least.

-The windows are perfectly crafted.

-There's a throne-like chair

-at the end of the table.

-That's a great chair.

-Beyond that, what do we have?

-A private forest.

-This place is perfect.

-I can see that straight away.

-There's plenty of room here.

-A double bed. Room to sit down.

-There's a practical kitchen

-and character everywhere.

-A wonderful fireplace.

-Some practical shelves by the bed.

-Seriously, this place is amazing.

-I feel like

-I'm in the world of fairies.

-I could stay here all day.

-I'm heading out

-to the centre of Machynlleth.

-I'm going to find out more about

-one of Wales' most famous princes.

-I'm meeting the politician

-and author, Mike Parker.

-I'm hoping to learn something

-about Machynlleth.

-Mike, we're in the Owain Glyndwr

-centre in Machynlleth.

-It's an important building

-for the area and for Wales.

-Can you explain why?

-Owain Glyndwr held

-a parliament in Machynlleth.

-We know that.

-It's a historical fact.

-That was in 1404.

-This was the most important

-parliament held by Glyndwr, really.

-Machynlleth was the perfect place

-to do it.

-It's sort of the crossroads

-for the nation.

-If you think about it...

-..Machynlleth is where the mountains

-of North Wales...

-..meet the hills of South Wales.

-It's where the farms of the East

-can see the sea in the West.

-It's the crossroads for the nation.

-It was the perfect place to hold

-his most important parliament...

-..and what we think

-was a crowning ceremony.

-We think that was a part of it.

-Machynlleth was the perfect

-place for that.

-For visitors, what can they see

-in this centre?

-You can see the exhibition

-around us.

-It's jam packed full of things...

-..including the history

-of Glyndwr's campaign...

-..the reasons it started

-and the aftermath.

-It's a place where you can learn

-more about Owain Glyndwr's campaign.

-There's also a shop

-selling a lot of stuff.

-Things that are related

-to the history of Wales.

-It's very popular,

-a lot of people come here.

-Everything you need to know

-is available in one building.

-A lot of people use it as a

-launch pad, really.

-They'll then go on to see places

-like Sycharth...

-..that's the Glyndwr family home.

-That's on the other side

-of Montgomeryshire.

-Machynlleth is a great place

-as a base to explore mid Wales.

-Personally, what's your favourite

-thing about Machynlleth?

-I'm very proud of this town.

-It's a unique town.

-It's a special town.

-It's on its own in a certain way.

-It's the place where Gwynedd,

-Ceredigion and Powys all meet.

-But yet again,

-it's beyond the counties.

-It's a place in and of itself.

-More than any other small town

-I've visited in Wales...

-..the people here,

-there are a lot of communities here.

-Like every town in Wales, but here

-they mix more than anywhere else.

-Thanks for the chat, Mike.

-I'm looking forward to seeing more

-of the area while I'm here.

-Thanks for everything.

-Thanks for everything.

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-Welcome to the area.

-To battle!

-I've got a taste

-of the history already.

-I'm heading to the bowels

-of the earth now...

-..to see what it was like to work

-at the Braich Goch slate mine.

-You can only gain access to the mine

-through a specialist company.

-Mark is going to show us around.

-We're about to step off the main

-path as it were.

-We're going in to this dark,

-wet chamber.

-This is where the workers quarried

-the best slate.

-Mark, I'm coming to find you.

-I hope you're still there.

-Wow.

-It's huge in here. These are

-the good slates if you will.

-This is what the workers

-were looking for.

-Beyond the slates, there's a

-platform that was made for working.

-There would be two people

-working up there.

-Four people would be down here

-collecting the slate...

-..and moving it out of the mine.

-That's what I'm standing on now.

-Boys started working here

-at around eight years old.

-On average, miners died

-at the age of 40.

-If you look right up to the top

-there, above the orange water...

-..there's an opening

-and another tunnel...

-..that takes us to the next level.

-Down by here, by that huge cliff,

-there's another, lower level.

-Believe it or not...

-..this is exactly how the miners

-left their equipment and drinks.

-The next day they didn't need to

-return as the quarry was closed.

-We've reached the last chamber and

-the end of our journey.

-Believe it or not...

-..that hole above me leads out

-and to the top of the mountain.

-I have to admit,

-this is beyond scary.

-It's wet and slippery.

-That's the worst part.

-I've got a rope holding me up.

-To think workers here did the

-journey without a rope is scary.

-I'm currently walking

-on a path made in the slate.

-I'm not sure you can see it

-at all from that angle.

-This is the easiest part so far.

-Despite that, my heart is racing.

-My hands are currently black.

-There's so much rain

-and muck on this rope...

-..it's transferred to my hands.

-Imagine working here all day.

-When they told me I was coming to

-Machynlleth for this programme...

-..I thought, lovely, nice little

-shops in the town.

-I'm almost at the top.

-I'm so glad we're about to go for

-lunch in Glan Yr Afon.

-Wahey! Woohoo!

-Yeah!

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-I had a great time in the mine. I've

-now reached Glan Yr Afon restaurant.

-There's a nice mellow area

-for you to relax before food.

-What I really like

-about this place...

-..is the mixture

-between traditional and modern.

-Glan Yr Afon is in the middle of

-Peniel village.

-It's four miles outside Machynlleth.

-This is the main dining area,

-it has a harder look.

-Despite that,

-it's simple and effective.

-Considering, I've just left the

-quarry, it's nice to see slates.

-As you can see,

-this salmon looks wonderful.

-After finishing this food...

-..I'm off to Machynlleth

-to meet some local Welsh learners.

-I'm looking forward to meeting

-Helen Lindsay and Elizabeth Corbett.

-Two women who became friends through

-their love of the Welsh language.

-Liz and Helen,

-it's a pleasure to meet you.

-Helen, you live in Machynlleth.

-Liz, you live in Melbourne,

-Australia.

-How do you know each other?

-When I came to Wales,

-I made a connection with Helen.

-It was through

-Say Something In Welsh.

-I told her I was coming to Wales

-and I'd be staying in Corris.

-It would be great to meet you.

-Helen looked after me

-when I arrived.

-You meet up every time

-you come to Wales now.

-Helen,

-where are you from originally?

-I come from Birmingham.

-Before I moved to Wales,

-I lived in Hertfordshire.

-I lived between

-Watford and Hemel Hempstead.

-Why did you decide to learn Welsh

-in the first place?

-I decided to move to Wales.

-I wanted to take part

-in the community.

-It's important to me.

-Liz, when you come to Wales

-do you come here specifically...

-..to speak Welsh

-and learn more about Wales?

-That is the main reason I come.

-I absolutely love being in Wales.

-It's beautiful.

-I like speaking in Welsh.

-I like visiting different places.

-I feel a little bit

-like it's my home.

-That's my heritage.

-I came to visit Wales...

-..so a friend suggested

-that I tried Say Something In Welsh.

-it was incredible.

-I'd been going to classes every

-week but I couldn't form sentences.

-I couldn't speak quickly.

-I had to sit with my face like this

-to think of what I wanted to say.

-A friend suggested that I try

-Say Something In Welsh.

-With that, the penny dropped.

-Overnight,

-I started speaking in sentences.

-We have Welsh-language classes

-in Melbourne.

-Wow!

-They're weekly.

-We have 15 people come in weekly.

-I come back here

-because I like the area.

-I've made friends,

-I'm a member of Merched Y Wawr.

-When I walk up and down the street,

-I can speak in Welsh with people.

-I love the area now.

-It feels a little bit like my home.

-Liz and Helen,

-it was a pleasure to meet you today.

-Thanks for the chat.

-I'm looking forward to returning

-to my haven in the trees.

-Before that,

-I want to show you these options.

-Beudy Banc's cabins offer

-eco-friendly accommodation.

-Inside, it's pretty and interesting.

-If you're looking for some luxury,

-where better than the bed...

-..and breakfast in the old vicarage

-on the road to Corris.

-I've had a busy but perfect day here

-in Machynlleth.

-There's nowhere better to relax

-at the end of the day than here.

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-I'm totally relaxed after

-a wonderful night's sleep.

-Next on the list is a famous cafe

-in the town centre, Caffi Alys.

-I wonder who Alys is.

-Gail, we're here in Caffi Alys.

-Who is Alys?

-You're Gail.

-I'm not Alys although a lot of

-people think I am.

-Alys was Owain Glyndwr's daughter.

-According to legend, she sheltered

-her father when he went into hiding.

-Did you choose the name?

-No, it was originally

-called Siop Alys.

-When I took over, I kept the name

-Alys but changed it to cafe.

-Tell me about the cafe.

-We're in the middle of Machynlleth.

-We're right next to the building...

-..where Owain Glyndwr

-held his parliament.

-It's a very old building.

-We get a lot of tourists.

-We offer cakes, hot food, soup.

-I make all the food.

-Yes, we provide all kinds of things.

-You've hosted gigs here too, I hear.

-Yes, we've started opening

-late at night.

-We've got something on

-almost every weekend.

-We've had Twm Morris

-and Gwyneth Glyn here.

-We've had Chilean gigs here

-for the El Sueno festival.

-It's been very popular.

-Do a lot of Welsh learners come here

-to speak Welsh too?

-Yes, loads of learners.

-They know the staff all speak Welsh.

-I've got one or two learners.

-Everyone can speak Welsh here.

-They're happy to come in here

-and speak Welsh.

-We're on the high street here.

-What else is on the high street?

-There are a lot of independent shops

-in Machynlleth.

-There are two shops in the centre

-itself.

-Dwrgi, next door

-sells local organic flowers.

-There's also Lan Llofft upstairs.

-There are wonderful shops in town.

-We've got several

-independent book shops...

-..there's the Deco shop, Ian Snow.

-They sell homewares.

-We've got a lot of wonderful shops,

-really.

-Everything you need

-is on the high street.

-Yes and loads of antique shops.

-That's great.

-There's no harm in looking.

-Thanks for the chat.

-This place is wonderful and

-it was lovely to meet you.

-There are plenty of places

-to eat and drink here too.

-Number Twenty One on the

-High Street is worth a visit.

-The Dyfi Distillery produces a

-scrumptious gin using local plants.

-For more information,

-head to the website.

-Look at these, unique shoes

-which are hand-made at this shop.

-Machynlleth's independent shops

-are worth seeing.

-I'm off to meet Raymond Jones.

-I'm going to find out more

-about local culture...

-..in this wonderful building.

-Raymond, we're here in Moma,

-could you explain what it is?

-Over 30 years ago,

-Andrew Lambert had an idea...

-..to establish

-a Museum of Arts and Crafts here.

-The Tabernacle,

-a Wesleyan chapel was for sale.

-Andrew purchased the building.

-Through hard work from friends

-and all kinds of supporters...

-..the idea has grown.

-Yes, "tyfu" - grow.

-It's grown into the World famous

-centre that is here today.

-What exactly is here

-for visitors to see.

-There are seven galleries,

-there's a cafe downstairs.

-There's an auditorium

-for performing.

-The old tannery is the new gallery.

-A lot of volunteers help out here.

-Most of them speak Welsh

-as their first language.

-Some of the volunteers

-are learning Welsh too.

-What do you enjoy

-about working here in Moma?

-I like the variety of people

-who come here.

-I like the artists who exhibit here.

-I like preparing for

-the Machynlleth festival every year.

-That happens every August, I think.

-You're a very busy man.

-There's a lot of variety

-in your work.

-Thanks very much, Raymond.

-Bron Yr Aur is the final place

-on my journey.

-The cottage is famous for its

-connection to Led Zeppelin.

-At the start of the 1970s they were

-here "cyfansoddi" - composing.

-Ruth Row and her family

-live here by now.

-You can stay here for a night too.

-Ruth, we're here

-in the middle of the National Park.

-It's an incredible place.

-It's so quiet here.

-This is Bron Yr Aur Retreat.

-What exactly do you offer here

-at Bron Yr Aur?

-Everyone is in this garden.

-We have one large tent.

-It's got a big bed

-and it can sleep four people.

-It's very peaceful here.

-You can head up into the trees.

-You can rest here.

-A lot of people come here

-for inspiration...

-..for peace of mind

-and to write songs.

-Do people come here

-to relax and gain inspiration?

-Yes. It's very quiet here.

-You can sit back

-and listen to the birds sing.

-People want to see something

-that has been inspirational.

-You've also learned Welsh.

-Yes, I'm sorry, I'm slow.

-No, you're doing very well.

-Why did you decide to learn Welsh?

-My family is Welsh.

-My great-great-grandfather

-lived in Newport, Pembrokeshire.

-My daughter is ten years old.

-She goes to school in Pennal.

-She speaks Welsh every day.

-For me to bring that back,

-it's deep inside me.

-Also, I live here in Wales.

-Since I got here, I've only heard

-the wind in the trees...

-..and the birds singing.

-Certainly after a few hours...

-..the mind quietens and the

-creative juices start to flow.

-I haven't found

-a stairway to heaven just yet.

-I've had a wonderful time here in

-Machynlleth.

-I'll be very sad to leave.

-Before we go,

-there's one thing I need to do.

-Woohoo!

-Yeah!

-Woohoohoo!

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-I'm Owain Roberts and

-I'm the eldest Llaeth Y Llan son.

-I run the business...

-..with my parents, Gareth and Falmai

-and my sister, Llior.

-I'm Llior, Owain's sister.

-Mam and Dad

-started the business in 1985...

-..and we grew up here,

-immersed in the business.

-We've been very aware of it

-ever since we were born.

-My job is to run the company

-day-to-day...

-..and make sure the yogurt

-is of the highest quality.

-It's my job to look after the

-sales and marketing side of things.

-I make sure the sales team

-raises the brand's profile...

-..and gets it out there.

-Owain and Llior,

-you have a wonderful place here...

-..just outside

-the village of Llannefydd.

-Is it good

-to be able to work at home?

-Yes, it's great and it's not far

-to walk to work every day.

-Owain, have you always worked here?

-Yes, as I'm the eldest son,

-I've worked here from the start.

-As the eldest sibling...

-..it felt natural for me

-to take over the business.

-How far from your parents' house

-do you live?

-I built a house about 200 yards

-up the road!

-But that means

-I can never take a sickie!

-Is it too close at times?

-Yes, it can feel that way, but

-someone has to be on site every day.

-Llior, you left home and moved

-to London for a period.

-Yes, I left home to go and study

-in Newcastle Upon Tyne.

-When I graduated,

-I moved down to London...

-..to work in the fashion industry.

-I lived in London

-for almost nine years...

-..and I worked

-for different fashion houses there.

-What brought Llior back here, Owain?

-Was the business expanding

-and you needed her to come on board?

-Yes. Marketing is a crucial part

-of running a business.

-I felt confined to running

-the company from day-to-day...

-..and I felt that

-our marketing could be improved.

-We sat down

-and discussed it as a family...

-..and my father asked Llior

-to rejoin the company.

-Do you remember receiving that

-phone call from your father, Llior?

-Yes, and it came

-as a bit of a shock.

-I wasn't shocked

-to be asked to come home...

-..but I was surprised because I had

-no experience in the food industry.

-I was a bit apprehensive...

-..because I wasn't sure in what way

-I could help the business...

-..even though

-it's my family's company.

-It was a gamble

-to leave my job in London...

-..to come and work

-in a completely different world.

-I was leaving fashion

-to focus on food.

-Is it good to have Llior back home?

-Is it good to have Llior back home?

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-Yes. We work really well together.

-Llior's strengths are obvious.

-She put an advert out on TV

-and that really boosted the brand.

-You don't live

-as close to work as Owain, Llior.

-No.

-No.

-

-She can escape!

-I live in Chester,

-so I have quite a long commute...

-..especially because

-I have a family of my own.

-I have a young daughter.

-My work as a mother means I must

-drop her off at her nursery...

-..before I come here.

-You recently welcomed a new addition

-to your family too, Owain.

-Yes, my wife recently gave birth

-to William Dafydd Roberts.

-He has two big sisters -

-Ani and Martha.

-William is the new addition

-to the family.

-Do you hope to see your children

-in charge of the yogurt pots?

-Well, I'd like to think the business

-will stay in the family.

-Owain, this is

-where the process starts.

-Yes, milk from tanks outside is

-passed through this pasteurizer.

-It goes into tanks, where we add

-ingredients like protein and sugar.

-We then cook it up

-and it's ready by the morning.

-By the morning, you end up

-with a product like this, Owain.

-Yes. This tankful cooked overnight.

-It's now ready to be processed.

-These are the important ingredients.

-This is where the magic happens!

-Yes - these are the flavours.

-When the yogurt is ready,

-we pump it up to the hoppers...

-..and we add ingredients

-such as the rhubarb we have here.

-This must be one of the final steps.

-This must be one of the final steps.

-

-Yes - the yogurt is packed here.

-This is our main machine.

-The pot comes down, yogurt goes in,

-the lid is attached...

-..the heat sealers

-then close the seal...

-..and the pot goes down the line.

-Owain, what's happening here?

-This is the packing area.

-They attach lids here and put them

-in plastic or cardboard trays.

-What's the next step after this?

-We chill them quickly...

-..to lower the temperature

-from 20 degrees to four degrees.

-The yogurt's warm at this point?

-Yes, it comes out of the tanks

-at around 20 degrees.

-How many pots do you fill every day?

-How many pots do you fill every day?

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-Around 30,000.

-Every day?

-Every day?

-

-Yes.

-Wow!

-Gethin here has been

-with us for five years...

-..and he's one of our most

-reliable workers.

-Did you hear

-those kind words, Gethin?

-Yes.

-What's your job here, Gethin?

-What's your job here, Gethin?

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-A bit of everything.

-I run the machines...

-..and I cover

-when people are ill or on holiday.

-I help put things in the fridge

-and I help pack the yogurts.

-You've been here for five years,

-so you must enjoy your job.

-Yes.

-What sort of boss is Owain?

-What sort of boss is Owain?

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-It depends!

-Gareth and Falmai,

-we're in your polytunnel.

-This plastic greenhouse gives you

-a lot of pleasure, I'm sure.

-Yes.

-Now that Falmai

-is running a bed and breakfast...

-..we take pride in feeding guests

-with fresh produce from our garden.

-Strawberries, raspberries, grapes,

-lettuce, new potatoes.

-It sounds perfect to me!

-You established the business,

-many years ago.

-Let's turn back the clock

-to the beginning, Gareth.

-We started with a small,

-50 acre farm and 12 dairy cows.

-It was tough to raise a young family

-on 50 acres.

-We had to find a way

-to raise the value of our produce.

-We decided to diversify

-and take a very traditional route.

-We started a milk round.

-That meant

-we could add a little bit...

-..to the income brought in

-by the dairy cows.

-We sold unpasteurized milk

-in those days.

-Why did you choose

-to make yogurt...

-..rather than cheese,

-ice cream or butter?

-What happened

-was just about our circumstances.

-First, there was trouble with

-salmonella in unpasteurized milk.

-We lost business

-and we had to respond to that.

-The way we did respond

-was to begin to pasteurize milk.

-That was in the mid-1980s, and

-everyone wanted low fat produce.

-That was the starting point.

-We had to separate the cream

-from the milk...

-..and our first marketing venture

-was to sell the cream.

-It was good quality cream...

-..and the demand for it

-grew and grew.

-We were left with skimmed milk...

-..and we had to try to work out

-what we could do with it.

-We had to sell both the cream and

-the skimmed milk to make a profit.

-We had to sell both products

-if we wanted to make a profit.

-We did a lot of head scratching

-and lots of research.

-That's when

-we first looked at yogurt.

-Neither of us knew how to make it,

-so we went to college to learn.

-You then had to invest money

-in machines to make yogurt.

-Well, we started with two buckets

-in the airing cupboard!

-We didn't invest much money in it

-at first!

-Keep it in mind

-that we were farmers!

-How did things develop

-over the years?

-We first sold our yogurt

-to a butcher's shop in Abergele.

-We sold it in white, plastic pots

-and we wrote 'yogurt' on them.

-You wrote on the pots?

-You wrote on the pots?

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-Yes, but we couldn't do that today.

-It was fine to do that 30 years ago.

-And so, 30 years later, you've

-passed the baton to Owain and Llior.

-Is it difficult

-to hand over the reins completely?

-Yes, of course.

-That's a big question!

-Yes, and fortunately Falmai

-has found a niche for herself...

-..running a five star

-bed and breakfast here.

-I'm the biggest problem!

-I find myself

-in some sort of no-man's-land.

-When it's busy and

-something needs urgent attention...

-..the old man

-is quite handy to have around!

-I get busy in the garden here...

-..but I can down tools and

-do whatever job needs to be done.

-It gives us great pleasure.

-Yes, we're glad the children

-wanted to run things here.

-If they didn't, we'd have to

-think twice about what to do.

-Join me after the break...

-..to find out how Llior

-runs her side of the business.

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-Welcome back

-to Llaeth Y Llan, Llannefydd.

-I'm here with brother and sister,

-Owain and Llior Roberts.

-They now run this business.

-The marketing and sales

-side of the business...

-..means I have to travel

-across Britain...

-..especially around Wales itself.

-I attend meetings

-with all sorts of buyers.

-Buyers working for supermarkets,

-in wholesale...

-..or buyers working for companies

-we don't yet supply.

-Llior, travelling

-is part of your job.

-How much travelling do you do?

-Marketing and sales

-involves quite a lot of travelling.

-We attend meetings with buyers

-who work for supermarkets...

-..and wholesalers.

-We also do food shows,

-consumer shows and trade shows.

-We went to a trade show

-at the NEC in Birmingham last week.

-We were there for the whole week.

-Who stocks your product?

-Will we see Llaeth Y Llan yogurt

-in supermarkets and local shops?

-Our yogurt is currently available

-in every part of Wales.

-Our yogurt is available in

-supermarkets throughout the country.

-You can purchase it in Tesco,

-Morrison's, Co-op and Asda.

-I've seen several

-television commercials.

-It's an exciting time for you.

-Television is an expensive

-marketing tool...

-..for us, as a company.

-We took the gamble

-of paying for a television advert...

-..because we can't

-be present everywhere.

-We hoped the commercial would help

-us sell the story of the brand...

-..and of the product.

-How many flavours are there?

-How many flavours are there?

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-It currently stands at 14 flavours.

-We'll launch our vanilla flavour

-over the coming month.

-We sell everything from natural

-yogurt to strawberry flavour...

-..and from raspberry to toffee.

-We also produce more unusual

-flavours such as banoffee.

-What's your best seller?

-Believe it or not,

-our most popular flavour is toffee.

-Really? I wonder why.

-I expected you to say strawberry

-or natural yogurt.

-I think it's because the

-toffee flavour ticks so many boxes.

-It appeals to young people,

-children, men and women alike.

-I think toffee flavour yogurt

-is really adaptable.

-You can eat it for dessert

-or for breakfast.

-It tastes really good...

-..even if I say so myself!

-The business is growing and we've

-decided to build a new extension...

-..where we'll create

-a much bigger dairy.

-This will help us

-grow the business even further.

-We'll demolish the old cowshed

-to create this extension.

-Llior, tell me more

-about this extension.

-It's a busy period for us.

-We've received support

-from the Welsh government...

-..to build a new dairy.

-This will support

-our expansion plans.

-It will also make it possible

-for us to produce some new lines.

-It also means...

-..we can continue to send out

-top-quality Llaeth Y Llan yogurt.

-This extension will help us make

-sure we keep producing yogurt...

-..for years to come.

-This also means

-the old dairy will be far emptier.

-We now segregate sections,

-in terms of allergens and so on...

-..so we could produce a totally

-different product in the old dairy.

-This would have no effect

-on the new dairy...

-..which is custom-built

-to produce yogurt.

-We know the product

-will benefit from the extension...

-..but how will it affect your staff?

-It means we must develop the team

-from our current level...

-..which stands

-at between 38 and 40 staff...

-..to just under 80 staff members.

-That goes hand-in-hand with the

-Welsh Government grant we secured.

-It's part of the conditions?

-It's part of the conditions?

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-Yes.

-Despite the extension of the site

-and the success of the yogurt...

-..it's important to remember that

-it all happens here, on the farm.

-Yes, and it was important to us

-to stay on the farm...

-..and develop the company here.

-Without being too sentimental,

-we realize the story started here.

-My family and all the components

-that have created Llaeth Y Llan...

-..its background and character...

-..are all

-linked with Tal Y Bryn farm.

-If everything goes to plan

-with this expansion...

-..and there are no problems...

-..the next step is to expand

-into the tourist market.

-We're keen

-to attract more people here...

-..to come and see

-the production process...

-..to visit the farm itself

-and take a look around the garden.

-For me, as a customer...

-..I really like to see that

-family element still in place here.

-It's still based in your home.

-Yes, and if we'd moved

-to an industrial estate...

-..we'd have stripped away

-its personality.

-Renovating the farm

-means building on the land.

-The new dairy will be built

-on the site of the old cowshed.

-But it means

-the story continues...

-..and the family element

-is still part of it.

-It adds to our history and I think

-our customers will be happy...

-..that we're here,

-not on an industrial estate.

-Mam and Dad

-built an extension in 1995.

-This will be the biggest project...

-..my sister and I will tackle

-during our careers, I'm sure.

-It's a continuation

-of our parents' work in 1995.

-These are exciting times

-and the expansion is necessary.

-I've spent a lot of time with you

-over the past few days...

-..and it's clear you're united

-and you think alike.

-You're both

-committed to the business.

-Do you have disagreements?

-Does that brother, sister element

-come into play?

-This may sound

-like a bit of a cliche...

-..but as we're the son and daughter,

-it gives it a different dynamic.

-It can change the way we think.

-We certainly

-bring a lot of passion into it.

-Yes, we do bring lots of passion.

-We try to get that passion

-from our staff...

-..but when you bring a family member

-back into the company...

-..and you work with your parents,

-you see that passion.

-Llior and I know that sometimes,

-that passion can boil over.

-Yes, things can blow up

-but it doesn't happen very often.

-No, and it can be a good thing...

-..because we're trying

-to get to where we want to be.

-Could you work with your parents?

-Could you work with your parents?

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-And with your brother or sister?

-We work well as a family...

-..but our parents tend to treat us

-like children sometimes...

-..rather than as fellow directors.

-Yes, things can get

-a bit jumbled up.

-Mam and Dad can think about

-what happened yesterday...

-..but Owain and I must focus on

-issues discussed in board meetings.

-We must make sure

-things are carried through.

-On the other hand,

-they're still Mam and Dad...

-..and they can still treat us

-like 15-year-olds!

-They don't talk to us as adults

-who have children of our own.

-That's the real challenge.

-They've got to see us as individuals

-who have families of our own...

-..but I'm sure

-things will never change!

-No, but they always offer us lunch.

-Even if we argue, they always

-offer us lunch or a cup of tea.

-A cup of tea makes everything OK.

-A cup of tea makes everything OK.

-

-Yes, and that's great.

-Owain and Llior, thank you

-and good luck with the expansion.

-Thank you.

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