Episode 25 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable, the quiz show where talk is cheap

but celebrity chat can win a contestant money.

Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions to

try and bag our jackpot of ?3,000.

But they are not on their own, they'll also have

a panel of celebrity brain boxes debating their way to the answer.

Will they help, or will they hinder? Well, that's debatable.

So, let's meet them.

On today's show we have...

Journalist Rachel Johnson.

We have reporter Michael Buerk

and broadcaster and campaigner June Sarpong.

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So that's the panel,

let's meet today's contestant!

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Welcome to the show. Thank you. It's Helen Badcock from Buckinghamshire.

Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Um, I'm a former head teacher of a large primary school in Slough.

They're straightening themselves up already there, Helen. LAUGHTER

So whenever you're controlling your classroom then,

what techniques do you use?

Well, traditionally I have the eyebrow technique,

which means I generally raise one eyebrow...

PANEL GASPS

JUNE: Oh...

Should you get two eyebrows, you're in serious trouble.

So it tends to go from...

Oh!

Chilling. That put you in your place, Johnson. Sit up straight.

That's me told. And if you won today,

what would you do with the cash?

I want it to pay for my caravan. To pay for your...

You've got a caravan? No, I want a caravan.

Oh, you do. I want a caravan.

And so where are we going to go in this caravan when we win the

money, you and I? Oh... Where do you want to go? I don't know.

Let's go to Wales. Let's go to Wales.

Let's take the dog for a walk up Snowdon. OK. That'll be great, yeah.

OK. Are you ready to play, Helen? Absolutely.

OK, let's get this Debatable show on the road and play Round One!

This round is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers but only one is correct.

Helping you find the correct answer, of course, is our panel.

Will you go with what they say, or will you go your own way?

It is entirely up to you.

There's three questions in this round and each correct answer

will bank you ?200 into your prize pot, which you'll be playing

for at the end of the show in today's final debate. Happy to play?

Absolutely. OK, let's get cracking, Helen. Here's your first question.

As all your former pupils sit and watch this show and think,

"Here comes the payback," What are you thinking?

I think wild goose chase, possibly, is not a Shakespeare phrase.

Um, and butter-fingers. OK.

For the first time we have a panel look at a contestant

looking for help. It should be the other way around.

OK, panel, let's get cracking. Your debate starts now.

Well, come on, June. Did they have salad? Did they have salad? Yeah.

Did Shakespeare have salad? Yeah. Good point. I don't think so.

I think salad days is Shakespearean.

I did Merchant Of Venice at school.

Mm-hm. And I'm sure green-eyed monster is in Merchant Of Venice.

So I think we can rule that out.

Or Othello with Iago, because it was a play about jealousy. Yeah.

Let's say green-eyed monster and salad days are Shakespearean.

I think we can tick that off.

Geese, as well, were big in Shakespearean England. They were.

That's right. So I'm thinking wild goose chase

could apply to almost any one of the plays. Yeah.

So wild goose chase is out.

So it gets to be a toss-up, a toss salad up

with butter-fingers and salad days.

Yeah. Come on, June. Be forthright. I think... The way you normally are.

Come on, know-all. Which one?

Um, I think butter-fingers.

Yeah, I think butter-fingers. I think butter-fingers.

I think we're agreed. Do we all think butter-fingers?

Butter-fingers. Slipping through our butter-fingers? Yeah.

Helen, we're probably wrong...

Don't take our word for it.

But I think...

The panel thinks that the one phrase,

not initiated by Shakespeare, is butter-fingers.

So, Michael is confident that Rachel knows.

But that's all. Has that changed your mind?

Actually, I thought the panel showed a lot of Shakespearean knowledge.

The salad days, I wasn't sure about, but I'm sure I saw something

on a cookery show where they referred to a Shakespearean salad

as not actually having leaves in it,

it was made with all sorts of weird things.

I don't know, I'm pretty convinced you're right, actually.

I think butter-fingers could be the answer.

I'm going to agree with the panel. OK.

Our panel has gone for butter-fingers.

Helen has agreed with them. Mmm.

For ?200, Helen, is butter-fingers the correct answer?

It is the correct answer!

Fantastic!

You left him hanging!

No... Butter-fingers.

Oh, butter-fingers, I see.

Er, well done.

Butter-fingers credited, of course,

to Charles Dickens according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

OK, well played, Helen, we're up and running, ?200 in the bank.

Fantastic, thank you. APPLAUSE

Here comes your next question.

June Sarpong is already throwing her hands in the air

before we even mention. Is it...

Do you watch Sports Personality, Helen? I watch sport.

I'm an armchair athlete. Yes.

I think that we do very well

in the sitting down sports in Britain. Yes.

So I'm feeling quite good with cycling.

I'm hoping that one or two of you may have been to the

Sports Personality programme.

Yes, well, Helen, they always invite the biggest stars in the

nation to Sports Personality Of The Year.

We've all been, haven't we?!

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Let's see what our panel make of this one.

Guys, your time starts now.

Er... I have been to it, actually. Cool. There you go.

Well... Why?

What do you mean, why?

I'm extraordinarily athletic.

He's a BBC legend.

If you only saw me in action... Which sports do you follow?

I... Well...

Not many. Look, come on, let's be analytical about this.

Um, what do you reckon, June? I think, you know, it can't be tennis.

Definitely not. We hadn't won anything till Andy Murray

came along, apart from Virginia Wade. Exactly.

It's not tennis. Get rid of tennis.

We're really good at cycling, Rachel, don't you think?

That's more recently, that's more recently. That's Bradley Wiggins.

Yes. Sir Bradley Wiggins. Sir Bradley. Chris Hoy. Chris Hoy.

Chris Hoy, who we love. But that's recently.

The only bit I can put into this is that Sports Personality Of The Year

was started by that wonderful bloke, Peter Dimmock.

Before your time I have to say. Yeah. Who used to do Sportsview.

He had a wonderful handlebar moustache.

So it must have started in the '50s. OK.

So it must have been going for nearly 60 years. That's right.

What about Formula One? Well, that's my choice.

What about Damon what's it, who is the son of Graham Hill? Graham Hill.

Jenson Button. Lewis Hamilton. Yeah.

But there's also others.

But there was a time we did well at snooker. There was, wasn't there?

They're not so much personalities the snooker players, are they?

It's more of a pub sport. They were huge in the '80s.

Let's rule out tennis. Yeah. Not tennis.

But Formula One, over the years...

We have had a couple of, yeah, big moments.

Right back to Mike Hawthorne, maybe Stirling Moss... Yeah.

..though he never won the world championship. I think Formula One.

I think Formula One, too. Are you OK with Formula One.

I think I'm good with it. Yeah. Vroom-vroom.

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The panel goes with more conviction than normal - Formula One.

Only because we don't know anything else.

They have plopped for Formula One. Have they been of any help, Helen?

I'm a little bit undecided between Formula One and snooker.

I think we've had a lot of British personalities who've been very,

very strong. You know, Steve Davis, Willie Thorne, Dennis Taylor.

So I'm actually going to choose the pub sport of snooker as my answer.

Our panel has gone for Formula One, you have decided to go for snooker.

For ?200 is snooker the correct answer?

It was Formula One. AUDIENCE GROANS

It was. I should have listened.

Formula One has won it on seven different occasions.

We had Lewis Hamilton, Damon Hill

twice, Nigel Mansell

and Jackie Stewart and, of course, Stirling Moss.

Tennis has actually won it on five occasions. Cycling, four times.

Snooker has won it just once in 1988 with?

Oh, Steve Davis.

Steve Davis, there you go. Oh.

Unfortunately, you got that question wrong which means that the prize

pot is still at ?200 but we've got plenty of opportunity to get it up.

OK? Here comes your third question.

You're having a little giggle yourself. Is this good news, Helen?

Well... Do you know the answer?

There was a comic sketch about the Oo-Ah bird

and they laid square eggs, didn't they?

They did.

That's what's making me think eggs because that would make

complete sense to me. Yes. Oo-Ah.

It makes complete sense to me too, Helen.

I'm... LAUGHTER

I'm pretty sure it's not singing.

I'm sure that's ah-oo-ology. Um...

But I might be wrong.

Um, OK, so I think at the moment I'm going with eggs.

Let's see if our panel can help out.

Your debate starts now.

Was the Oo-Ah bird the same as the Ooh-Me-Goolie bird

that didn't have an undercarriage.

We won't go there.

Although we've just been there!

Um... Eggs.

The Latin for egg is ovum. It is.

The plural is ova.

There should be a V in it if it's a study of eggs, shouldn't it?

Oh, unless it's Greek.

Ah... Yes.

Because logos is Greek

and I actually have to confess I did read Latin and Greek at Oxford.

I'm afraid I'm going to bring some expert knowledge to bear.

I'm sorry.

If I get this wrong, can you imagine the embarrassment? Yeah.

I think the Greek for egg is...

Oh, it does begin with O,

oion, or something like that.

So I'm going with eggs, too.

Well, there isn't much we can say after that. What about muscles?

Do you think muscles? I haven't got a clue.

I'm going to go with eggs just because Rachel was so convincing.

So what do you think, muscles?

Well, um... All right, all right.

Actually you can feel me a bit more.

Um... Does anybody study lakes?

Yes, I'm sure they do but I don't think it's called oology.

Jacques Cousteau. Oology, no. I don't think it would be called that.

Singing... Oo, oo, oo. No, you do it.

Well... Rachel, this is down to you. Yeah.

I'm betting the farm one. You're betting the farm one.

On the basis of Rachel's classical education at Oxford, this oology...

Can we mention that again, actually?

We think oology is the study of eggs.

Never has one member of the panel been hung out to dry on

a question more on this show.

So, June and Michael pointing towards Rachel.

Rachel believes that it is eggs.

Not a mention of a comedy sketch, Helen. No.

But we've managed to get to the same answer.

We have, but actually, I think Rachel's very convincing.

I'm very happy to go with Rachel's answer.

I thought that was very well debated, actually.

Ooo...

I hope it's not lakes because we've all decided that no-one

studies them.

OK, Helen, you are going with eggs.

For ?200 is eggs the correct answer?

Yes!

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That Oxford education was worth it.

As Michael Buerk and June Sarpong shamelessly try to hang onto

the coat tails of Rachel Johnson's knowledge there.

So, Helen, that's another 200 in the bank and at the end of

Round One you've banked ?400!

Fantastic!

So let's see how we cope with pictures.

It's time for Round Two.

OK, Helen, Round Two is our picture round.

All you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.

It sounds simple but it's not.

There are three questions in this round and each correct answer

is worth ?300.

So best of luck, here we go. Thank you.

That is a tricky one, actually,

but I think the panel are going to know this.

I think Michael, no pressure,

you will have really good knowledge of this.

You poor benighted fool.

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I agree, Helen. I agree.

If anyone is going to know the important events that have shaped

the world the man in the middle is going to come up trumps here.

So, no pressure, Michael. Here we go, your debate starts now.

Decimalisation... Early '70s?

The Nixon re-election I think is '72.

Now, how do you know that?

Because... Re-election.

Re-election, yeah, because I think he won in '68. The silent majority.

Yeah. So the re-election, '72. Right.

Berlin Wall?

Well, it was after the Second World War concluding and the partition.

Yeah, when was that? So after '45, so that's got to be the earliest.

Yeah, it was the earliest but the wall wasn't built until quite

a long time after that.

Yes, but within the next 20 years which takes us comfortably

shy of the '70s, which is when we think decimalisation and

Nixon were roughly. Mmm.

So we've got to judge which came first,

decimalisation or the re-election of Nixon.

I think these were all early '70s. Yeah, I think they were.

Berlin Wall, maybe late '60s. Yeah. So you reckon Berlin Wall first.

Yes. Do we? Yeah. Do you go along with that, Rachel?

I definitely think so, yes. Berlin Wall first. What about these two?

I would say decimalisation second. Decimalisation second.

And Nixon third. And Nixon third. Yeah.

So... We could be wrong.

Yeah, I like your sense of certainty here.

With '72 I am, I don't know about the rest.

At least you know something which is more than the rest of us do.

So on the basis of June's encyclopaedic knowledge of

American politics,

and on the basis of our complete... Absence of knowledge.

Total ignorance of everything else,

we go for Berlin Wall first, followed by decimalisation,

followed by the re-election of Richard Nixon.

So after thinking that Michael could sort this out entirely on his

own, we have a definite answer from June.

We have a definitely answer from Rachel and Michael is going

along with the panel. Exactly!

I was really impressed with you, June.

I thought that you had that knowledge at your fingertips.

Really interested to hear from you, Rachel as well,

about the timing of the Berlin Wall because that was one that I

really couldn't put a date on.

I think that decimalisation came in about '71 or '72 but I'm going

to trust in June's answer about Nixon being re-elected in 1972.

So we're agreeing with the panel.

We are agreeing with the panel, yes.

OK, for ?300 the correct order is...

Oh! APPLAUSE

Well done. Fantastic.

So the Berlin Wall was built in...?

1961. Decimalisation introduced in...

1971 and 1972... Good knowledge, good knowledge.

Very good knowledge.

Richard Nixon re-elected as president in 1972.

So 300 quid is added to your prize pot,

you're doing very, very well, Helen.

You are up so far to ?700!

Fantastic!

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OK, Helen, let's take a look at question two in this round.

Here it comes.

Well...

When the question came up I was thinking, well,

size of animal would indicate a longer gestation period.

The polar bear might be an anomaly with that, as well.

Why are you thinking that?

Well, I think I saw,

maybe a David Attenborough show where the polar bear actually comes

quite early and then the mother incubates it within its folds,

which sounds lovely. Mmm.

Yes, over to you, panel. I think I need some help with this one.

OK, Helen says she needs some help,

our panel have done really well so far, four out of four. They have.

No pressure, guys. Your debate time starts now.

I think horses are pregnant for the same length of time as human beings.

As women. I think... I'm glad you excluded us. Yeah, not men.

I think they probably can be pregnant now.

I know a great fertility doctor. No, all right, all right.

I'll look forward to that opportunity when it comes along.

Did you see the picture of the panda holding that cub in its

mouth and it was a tiny,

little foetus and I think that must be short gestation period.

And do you think a polar bear is of the same ilk? It's a bear.

It's a bear. All right.

So I think it's between the camel and the horse.

Camels are pregnant for ever.

Aren't they pregnant 24 months, or something. Yeah.

They've got an incredible bladder capacity. They do.

They have an incredible bladder capacity, they live in the desert.

I mean it's water retention. Yeah, that's the same thing, though.

I mean...

I think it's a camel. Polar bear, horse and then camel.

I'm just a little bit worried about the polar bear because...

No, I want to lay your fears to rest on that score. It's cold!

Look how tiny that baby panda was.

It's growing up in the jungle in China, it's warm.

How long would it take to grow something that big,

about three months?

Well, yeah... I'm telling you, Michael, I've done it myself.

A couple of times. You can't argue with women and childbirth.

No, you can't! You're onto a loser.

OK, shall we say polar bear, horse, camel? Yeah.

Have we got it in the right order? You two girls know about this.

Change yours round. Yeah.

There we go. I've taken control of this one as the only one... Yeah.

..to have actually delivered three infants. Three lovely infants.

So this is the panel's considered view.

On gestation periods, the shortest is the polar bear,

second is the horse but the longest gestation period is a camel.

So, Helen, Rachel has given birth to three children and that makes

her an expert on polar bears, horses and camels.

What there any sense talk there? I... I wasn't sure about the camel.

Um, I think camels have a really big bladder but you need

a big bladder if you're going to have babies, don't you, really?

Polar bear, might be a wild card but let's stick with that. Yeah.

Let's stick with that.

Rachel is adamant.

Helen, not so sure but you are going along with our panel.

You're going for polar bear, horse and then camel.

For ?300, Helen...

Is it the correct answer?

It is the correct answer! APPLAUSE

Woo!

100% record, well done.

Well played, Rachel Johnson, well done.

So the polar bear is the shortest, eight months,

then we have a horse, 11 months

and then a camel, 13 months, June, not 24.

That adds another 300 quid to the prize pot.

You're doing really well.

You're now up to ?1,000!

Wow! Fantastic.

So let's have a little look at question three in this round.

Are you a movie fan?

I am, actually.

I think Meryl Streep won her first Oscar for Kramer vs Kramer

back in about '72, something like that.

I definitely need your help with that one, that's going to be tough.

Alrighty, let's see if the panel can help.

Your debate time starts now.

I'm going to say unchivalrous things. Go on, say them.

Well, the oldest one, I would have thought,

most likely to have got the Oscar first.

Jane Fonda.

I think, I mean, she is... I think she got one.

This is a hostage of fortune, she is very well preserved, isn't she?

She's quite old. I think she's 70 something. She's 76.

All those athletics videos obviously worked, didn't they? She's gorgeous.

I think she got it for Barefoot In The Sand or whatever it was called.

Barefoot In The Park, was it? Must've been the '70s, mustn't it?

Jane Fonda got hers in the '70s.

Meryl Streep was definitely Kramer Vs Kramer.

Nominated for more than anybody else. But she's only ever won twice.

Didn't she get one for The Iron Lady?

Yeah, but before that was Kramer Vs Kramer,

and everyone thought she'd won lots of them but she's only one twice.

She was certainly nominated a lot of times. Yeah.

I would say it was Meryl second. Yes. Would you?

Because I think Sally Field got it when she was in her 40s. Yeah.

But I can't remember what for. But Jane Fonda first? Yes.

Then Meryl Streep? Yeah.

You cool with that? Yeah, I'm cool with it.

So I need to swap. Who have I got? The wrong one.

Meryl, Jane. Is that right? Yeah.

After due deliberation, the panel has come to the conclusion,

the Oscar goes to...

All three of them!

Jane Fonda first, Meryl Streep second and Sally Field third.

Any gems that we've gleaned from this?

I think Sally Field is a bit later,

I think she came into her own sort of 1970s onwards.

So I think I'm going with the panel,

I think I'm going to stick with

Jane Fonda first, the earliest,

and then Meryl Streep and then Sally Field.

OK. Is that correct?

Oooh! It's the wrong answer.

The correct answer is:

Jane Fonda, Sally Field and then Meryl Streep.

So Meryl didn't get an Oscar.

Jane Fonda won in 1972, for Klute.

Then it was Sally Field in 1980 for Norma Rae.

And then it was Meryl Streep in 1983 for Sophie's Choice. Oh!

She'd previously won a best supporting actress Oscar

in 1980 for Kramer Vs Kramer. Oh!

So, Helen, unfortunately... That was a toughie.

It was, it was a toughie.

Unfortunately you didn't manage to bank anything for that question

which means that you are still on ?1,000.

Fantastic.

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So, our panel have broken their winning streak at last.

It had to come to an end.

Who do we think is proving most useful,

bearing in mind we're going to have to choose one of them

to play the final debate?

It's going to be a really difficult choice, actually.

The panel are definitely showing the knowledge they have,

and sometimes the knowledge they didn't know that they had, as well.

Is that a good thing? It's a very good thing for me!

Yeah, I've got a few ideas about who I might choose for the final round.

OK, Helen, let's play round three.

In this round, you're going to face questions that contain

three statements relating to a person, a place or a thing.

But only one statement is true.

You must decide which one it is.

There are three questions in this round.

And as it is our final round, we're going to up the cash

to ?500 a question.

So let's see we can get this total up as best we can. Absolutely.

Here's your first question.

What do you think? I've not been. Which is a problem.

It's not a good question for me.

But I have a lot of faith in the extensive travelling

that I know these three have done.

Let's see if our panel's extensive travel can help sort this one out.

Over to you, the debate starts now.

I think we can make ourselves look pretty stupid here

if we get this one wrong.

The trouble is with Luxembourg, is blink and you've missed it.

It's about the size of Godalming, isn't it? Yeah. Probably.

It certainly hasn't had a winter Olympic Games. It can't have done.

Well, it hasn't got any hills for a start.

We've got to discount that. And no snow, so that can go.

My grip on European geography is pretty slim. Mine too.

But I'm pretty sure it doesn't share a border with Switzerland. No.

But can you think of a European country with an X in its name?

No, I was thinking of Brussels,

but that's obviously a capital and not a country. Bruxelles, yeah.

It's a capital, not a country. Look... So it's got to be...

It's got to be the X. X marks the spot.

Yeah, I think it's the X, yeah.

You think it is too? Yeah. I'm going to go with it.

Are we cool with that? Yeah, X. X marks our spot.

The panel thinks it's the only European country

with an X in its name.

So, they're pretty sure.

X marks the spot.

Um, I... This is why I need a caravan,

because I need to tour Europe and find Luxembourg and Switzerland.

I really can't place it visually on a map.

And I also cannot think of another European country

with an X in its name.

So I am going to agree but I will kick myself

if the answer, you come up and tell me

there's a European country with an X.

Don't worry, you don't need to kick yourself, we have a panel.

You can kick us instead.

OK.

For ?500, you say Luxembourg is the only European country

with an X in its name.

The correct statement is:

It is the only European country... Yeah! We're back.

Phew!

Well done, panel. It borders

Belgium, Germany and France.

At only 998 square miles,

Luxembourg is actually smaller than Oxfordshire.

And ?500, we are now up to ?1,500... Fantastic. ..in the prize pot.

Fantastic.

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Here comes question two.

Have you read the Harry Potter books? Absolutely.

Absolutely, I've read them to two sets of children. Aww!

I'm just trying to think about the release date of Harry Potter,

because I... my son, I think,

was about seven or eight years old then.

And I think The Da Vinci code,

I remember reading on a beach in Spain once when he was a bit older.

Don't worry, we don't need an answer yet. I'm not sure.

Oh, yes, we do! Give us a clue.

I'm afraid we can't give you a clue, but we can give you some time

and the time for that debate starts now.

Did she turn down a damehood?

I don't know, but I've never heard of her...

We don't say Dame J, Dame Rowling, do we? No, she's not.

I'm pretty certain that she is ranked higher than the Queen

on the Sunday Times Rich List. Yeah.

Because at one point, not any more,

but she was the richest self-made woman in this country at one point.

The Queen is hardly self-made.

No, no, no, my point is, she WAS. Oh, I'm sorry.

I remember thinking the Queen was quite low on this year's Rich List.

The Queen's like, sort of 300... Barely rubbing along!

Exactly. On 300 million or so.

Couple of coppers in her pockets. Exactly.

She was the first author, female author to make one billion,

wasn't she? Yeah. $1 billion.

I just don't know about The Da Vinci code.

That's one of the most dreadful books ever written.

I enjoyed it! I loved it.

They were all released in the '90s.

The first one must have been released in the mid-'90s.

I would say. What do you think?

You decide. You decide. No, I'm not going to decide! Come on.

It's a collegiate thing. Rich List. Rich List? Da Vinci.

Oh, all right, I'll go with Rich List. OK? It's more interesting.

It is, isn't it?

The panel, entirely on the basis that it's more interesting,

rather than knowing it, are going for the fact that

she actually seems to be richer than the Queen.

Hmm.

So, has Hogwarts brought in more money than Buckingham Palace?

That is the question, Helen.

Yeah, I'm going to have to go with June's thought that

she is richer than the Queen at this current time.

So, you are going with June's suggestion that she is ranked

higher than the Queen in the Sunday Times Rich List. For ?500,

is C the correct answer?

It is the correct answer!

Well done, June, well done. Well done, thank you. Well played.

JK Rowling's wealth is estimated at 600 million.

Compared to the Queen who is just 340 million. Ooh!

Rowling was awarded an OBE, not a damehood,

in 2001 and the first Harry Potter book was published in 1997,

way before you were on that beach with The Da Vinci Code in,

when was that holiday in Spain? 2003.

So, well done, we're still smiling,

that's another 500 quid added to the prize pot.

You are now up to a new total of ?2,000.

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Yeah.

OK, the final question before final debate, you're on ?2,000.

500 to play for, let's see if we get this up to 2,500.

That would be amazing. Here we go.

The look of horror on my face. I was hoping...

The look of horror on our panel's faces!

I was hoping, "Is not made of cheese" would come up. Oh!

I would say that all the craters are named after monarchs at this stage,

because I'm sure you can see more than 59%.

Or maybe not, thinking full moon, you only see the half of it,

don't you? I don't know. Helen doesn't know.

Let's see, panel, if we get Helen up to 2,500.

Over to you guys, your debate starts now.

I think we can reach an answer to this with rigorous

intellectual examination. Have you got a clue?

It's a really tricky one. Because it makes me feel unbelievably ignorant.

It does, yes. Shall we try some logic? Yes, go on.

Is it likely that all the craters are named after monarchs?

I mean, how many monarchs are there around? No.

And did the Brits have a monopoly... Exactly. ..of naming craters?

Why should they? That seems inherently unlikely.

And very imperialist. Now, is it cold all over?

It's got to be cold up there. Well... Down there.

Yeah, but the sun is shining full-on. Hardly any atmosphere.

Doesn't, doesn't the one side of it which is in the sunlight warm up?

Well, why isn't it warm and sunny? Why doesn't it have trees and oases?

Why aren't we having our package holidays there?

You think, when the sun is on it, it might not be that cold.

Shirtsleeves weather. But they get their barbecues out.

Yeah. We'll have to ask Neil Armstrong.

And the fact that Neil Armstrong stepped out of the spacecraft

in his swimming trunks. That's if you believe that he did.

Well, of course, he was in a backlot in Nevada!

It's got to be the middle one then, 59%.

Because maybe you see all of that and then a bit round the edge.

Well, it's a globe, so you kind of... Yeah.

Kind of see that bit of it, don't you? I'm going with the 59%.

I think it's only 59%. Are you happy to go along with that, June?

Are you happy to go along with that, Rachel? Yes, I am.

We think that the correct, the only correct answer is that

only 59% of the moon can be seen from the Earth.

Does it have all its craters named after monarchs?

That's what you thought.

Has the panel swayed you towards something else, Helen?

I think, I mean, you know, Britain can't claim ownership over the moon.

But also I can't name a single crater at all, which is,

you know, something of a gap in my knowledge.

I'm struggling with this one, I really am.

I'm going to say that

the moon is cold all over.

Brave! Brave!

OK. Or stupid. You are disagreeing with the panel.

They have said only 59% of it can be seen from Earth.

You believe, Helen, that it is cold all over.

For ?500, to get our prize pot up to 2,500,

is C the correct answer?

Oh, dear! It was B. You should have gone the panel. I should have.

Well, we can't glory in it, can we? No. Can't glory in it.

We wanted you to win. Not with Helen's disappointment.

No, I'm not disappointed. We can't take any pleasure from it.

You are hiding the fact that you're glorying in it

very, very well, Michael. Yes!

We won't say I told you so.

Well done. Apparently, because the Moon rotates only once

during each revolution around the Earth,

we can only see a maximum 59% of the moon's surface over time.

All the craters are actually named after scholars,

scientists and explorers. Because the Yanks got there first,

there's quite a lot of things named after Americans up there. OK.

Temperature reaches 260 degrees Fahrenheit at the lunar crater.

Oh, that's T-shirt weather.

Where even you would take off a jumper, Helen!

So, at the end of round three,

we got that question wrong but you still got to a great prize pot.

You're going to be playing for ?2,000.

APPLAUSE

So, if you win the ?2,000,

it's a new caravan and some home heating oil, is that right?

Just go with the caravan and I'm going to tour Europe in it.

And starting with Luxembourg? Possibly. Or possibly not.

Well, Helen, look, there's just one question that stands between

you and the ?2,000 and that is today's final debate.

In the final debate, you will face one question.

The question will have six possible answers but only three are correct.

To win, you've got to identify all three.

As before, you're not going to playing alone, though.

This is the final debate, we're going to make it a little bit tricky

by allowing you to access just one of our celebrities on the panel.

So you and your celebrity will have 45 seconds to debate

and give me your answer.

So, based on that, Helen,

and based on the performance of our panel today,

who would you like to join you in the final debate?

They've all been very strong, actually,

this is a very difficult decision because I think that they've done

some stunning work, to be honest.

Based on confidence and certainty of some of the answers given,

I'm going to choose Rachel.

So, Rachel, would you please join us as we play today's final debate?

APPLAUSE

So, Rachel, Helen has chosen you to help her in the final debate.

I can sense that you are honoured, excited and ready to go. I am.

I don't want to let her down because I'm worried that

she's not going to get the caravan to Luxembourg if I get this wrong.

Because we're so nice here at Debatable,

we're going to give you two categories. OK. But which to choose?

So have a look at this. The categories in today's final debate.

We have:

Well... Well, I'm not very good at marriage.

My record's not great either.

I think it's going to have to be newspapers.

I think it will have to be newspapers.

So, Helen, you've chosen newspapers. Yes.

For ?2,000, with 45 seconds on the clock,

here is today's final debate question.

High. High.

No.

Ohh!

So, Helen and Rachel, for the final time today,

your 45 seconds starts now.

It was really interesting when the newspapers came up that we were

quite similar in what we identified as high almost immediately.

So we both said Daily Mail, for sure.

Well, The Sun is the highest selling tabloid. Still?

Yeah, and then The Mail.

The Mirror,.. And it's... And The Times, do you think?

The Mirror used to, I'm not sure, I think...

The Times combined readership,

print and online, is 400,000.

The Telegraph I think is dipping below the times but I'm not sure,

because it's paywalled, I'm getting a bit detailed here, whether

the print circulation has dipped below The Times' PRINT circulation.

And I haven't got a clue what The Mirror is.

I still think The Mirror is traditionally a popular paper.

Yeah, OK. Time is up. Helen, we need an answer.

The three newspapers with the highest daily print readership.

I'm going to say The Sun,

the Daily Mirror, and the Daily Mail.

OK, the question, Helen, was:

?2,000 up for grabs in the prize pot.

First of all you went with The Sun.

Is The Sun a correct answer?

It is.

You were right, Rachel, it's the highest circulation, 1.7 million.

Next you said Daily Mail.

Is Daily Mail one of the three newspapers with the highest

daily print circulation in Britain?

It is.

Just below The Sun, 1.6 million print copies a day.

You then chose Daily Mirror. This was the tricky one.

The one you weren't really sure about.

I know it used to... You were torn between The Times and The Mirror.

You finally plumped for The Mirror. Yeah.

If this is correct, you leave with ?2,000.

If it's wrong, I'm afraid you leave with nothing, Helen,

so best of luck, here we go. Thank you.

For ?2,000, is the Daily Mirror the correct answer?

CHEERING It's right!

Yeah!

Well played! Thank you!

You've just won ?2,000. Where are we going in the caravan?

We're going to Luxembourg, Paddy!

We are going to Luxembourg in a caravan. I will pack the dog.

Well played. The Sun, approximately 1.78 million,

the Daily Mail, 1.6 million, the Daily Mirror, 826,000.

How are you feeling? Thrilled, I can start looking at caravans now.

Well done, Helen, let's give her a round of applause. Thank you.

Well played. Thank you so much.

That is it for Debatable.

Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

Rachel Johnson, Michael Buerk and June Sarpong.

I do hope you enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates.

From me, for now, goodbye.