Episode 3 Debatable

Hello and welcome to Debatable, the quiz show where talk is cheap

and celebrity chat can win a contestant money.

Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions

to try to bag a jackpot of £2,000,

but they're not on their own

as they will also have a panel of celebrity brainboxes

debating their way to the answer.

Will they help or will they hinder?

Well, that's Debatable, so let's meet them.

On today's show, we have TV presenter Gethin Jones,

we have a broadcaster and journalist Angela Rippon,

and broadcaster Alice Levine.

That's our panel, let's see who's playing today.

It is Debbie Bleathman from Norfolk.

-Hi, Patrick.

-How are you doing?

-Not too bad, thank you.

-Welcome to the show.

-Thank you.

-Tell us a bit about yourself.

I'm 47 and I live in Norfolk with my partner, Dave, and my mum, Kate,

and my two German shepherds.

And you also used to work for the police, is that right?

I did. Before I moved to Norfolk, I worked for the Metropolitan Police

in the control room, sitting there with a little headset on.

So, you're used to getting information

and then telling people what to do.

That's the idea, yes.

This could be perfect for our panel

because they do need to be whipped into shape.

Debbie, best of luck, let's see if we can get this Debatable show

on the road for you as we play Round 1.

Debbie, this round is multiple choice.

Each question has four possible answers,

but only one is the correct answer.

Helping you towards the answer is this panel of brainboxes.

Now, you can choose to go with what they say,

you can go your own way, it's entirely up to you.

There's two questions in this round

and each question is worth £200.

-Ready to play?

-Just about.

-OK, Debbie, here we go. Question one.

Oh! I think I've got an idea.

And that idea would be?

Possibly one of the ones with Julie Andrews in it.

OK, so you're thinking Mary Poppins or The Sound Of Music.

I personally think it's close between those two.

But I'd like to see what the assorted brains have to think of it.

They're already smiling, let's hope this is good news.

Your debate starts now.

I remember seeing West Side Story when I was in my very early 20s

and sitting in the cinema and being absolutely blown away

by that opening shot.

-That was about 15 years ago.

-Yeah, no, a bit longer than that.

I know that The Sound Of Music came before Mary Poppins

in Julie Andrews' career,

so at least we can put those in that order.

Oliver! started out on the stage, yes.

So... But when?

I think after West Side Story.

I think they came later.

-I'm pretty certain that they came later.

-What do you reckon?

I remember going to Vermont and New Hampshire once

to make maple syrup, and afterwards, I met the Von Trapp family.

Oh, get you!

-And I played the piano and they sang around the piano.

-What?

I don't if that's helpful at all, but I just remembered that now.

Which one do we think came first, though?

-It's got to be West Side Story.

-I'm pretty certain it's West Side Story.

Well, Oliver!, the film, was in black and white, right?

-No, it's in colour.

-Is it?

-Yeah, it's in colour.

I think you're pretty confident and you remember it very clearly.

-What do you reckon?

-I agree with West Side Story.

-OK.

So, collectively, we believe that West Side Story was the first

of those musicals to be put on film.

You've heard what our panel say, but what do you think?

I sort of discounted West Side Story,

but now thinking about it,

with Julie Andrews' ones being in colour

and being '50s,

I have a feeling they might be right

and I think I might have to plump with West Side Story.

So, our panel has managed to change your mind,

you're going to go with them.

West Side Story to get you up and running.

For £200, is West Side Story the correct answer?

It is the correct answer!

Well done, team. Well worked out, Debbie, well done.

-So, £200 in the prize pot.

-Great.

Here's your next question, Debbie.

I've got a theory it might be the discus,

but I'm not 100% sure.

Will that help them?

Your debate starts now.

Interesting, because I know nothing about sport at all.

It's between discus and hammer for me. And I'm going to...

I honestly think it's the hammer. I do think it's the hammer.

Because the discus looks sort of...

I'm just trying to remember doing the discus at school.

I'm not sure it's actually a weight thing

or if it's a size thing.

But the hammer, especially... I can remember vividly watching

a female hammer thrower, thinking, "That's gone a long way." You know!

75, 80 metres, maybe.

The discus always looks to be

kind of round about the same to me, doesn't it?

And the shot put, similarly,

that funny little thing that looks like a cannonball.

It's not the javelin, definitely not the javelin.

-The men throw that further.

-I would think the hammer.

It's a little bit of a guess, isn't it?

But I feel like that's quite convincing,

so I would back that answer.

-Consensus.

-I'd go hammer, not discus.

Consensus.

We think it is the hammer.

Consensus from our panel, but, Debbie,

did they bring any genuine knowledge to that debate?

Gethin's argument is getting more and more convincing to me.

Because the discus is not really about the weight,

it's the technique.

The hammer itself is...

I'm sure the hammer is lighter for women,

so they would be able to throw it as far, if not further than the men.

Gethin, I do hope you're right, I'm going with hammer.

- Don't put that pressure on me! - No pressure.

You're changing your mind, you're going with the panel.

Best of luck, everybody, here we go.

For £200, is hammer the correct answer?

-Oh, no!

-Ah!

You should have stuck with your instincts.

I am so sorry!

-Gethin, what are you doing, man?

-I feel terrible.

I'm so sorry.

It's the discus,

the women's record is almost three metres longer than the men's.

The size and weight of the discus differs significantly.

The men's discus must not weigh less than 2kg,

the women's discus weighs a kilogram.

Unfortunately, you didn't manage to get that question correct,

but at the end of that round, you have banked £200.

So, Debbie, one correct for our panel, one wrong for our panel.

Who do we think is performing best between Angela and Alice?

LAUGHTER

-Don't make me choose!

-"Don't make me choose."

You are going to have to choose at the end of the show because

only one of them can actually play today's final debate,

so keep an eye on them.

We'll be coming back to you on that one.

So, let's see how our panel cope with pictures,

it's time for Round 2.

Debbie, Round 2 is our picture round.

All you have to do is place three pictures in order.

There are two questions in this round and it's 300 quid up for grabs

for each correct answer.

So, best of luck, let's see if we can get the cash up. Here it comes.

What's your first thoughts?

I don't think there's a great deal in it, to be honest.

I might be leaning towards the panel and their music knowledge

to dig me out of this one.

OK, panel, let's see if you can shed any light on this one.

Your debate time starts now.

I always think that Springsteen looks as if he's got enough

lines on his face to be an Ordnance Survey map.

I mean, he's just got that aged look about him.

It kind of suits him, doesn't it?

-There's no lines on Dolly's face, that's for sure.

-Dolly looks great.

Elton looks...old.

-Elton's had so many looks, though, across the years.

-I know!

He's had so many stylised looks.

He must have got his

-bus pass recently.

-What, Springsteen?

-Yeah.

You think he's quite youngish?

-You think he's only in his 60s?

-Mid 60s.

-Elton?

-I think maybe all 70s.

-I think they're all in their 70s.

Bruce is not... The Boss is not 70.

-Is he not?

-No.

-You say that with such conviction.

I'm as sure

-as I was about the hammer.

-THEY LAUGH

They're all singers, they're all presumably still played on Radio 1.

-I haven't played them of late.

-Right.

Gut feeling on it?

I do think that Dolly's maybe

older than we think she is.

-Yeah, of course she is! I mean, I think Bruce is the youngest.

-You do?

I think he's mid-60s. Is Elton older than that?

-I think potentially Dolly is the oldest.

-She might well be, yes.

I've seen Elton up close,

I've not seen the other two up close, but it's difficult to tell.

-When did you see Elton?

-Do elaborate.

-Up close and personal!

-When did you meet Elton last?

-When did I see him last?

-Yeah.

Oh, probably face to face,

I probably saw him about three years ago.

Where were you?

What happens in the South of France stays in the South of France.

-So, what do we reckon? Dolly is the oldest.

-Let's say that.

Elton's in the middle and Bruce is the youngest.

The result of our debate is that Dolly is the oldest,

Elton is somewhere in the middle and Brucie is the youngest.

So, that's what our panel thought, but do you agree?

Yeah, looking back,

taking into account what the panel have said,

I think I'm going to stick

and go Bruce, Elton and Dolly in that order.

OK, we're all agreed.

Let's see, for 300 quid, is Bruce the youngest,

then Elton, then Dolly?

-Yay!

-Is the correct order.

-Well done, team.

Well done. How about that? Well played.

There we go, Bruce Springsteen born in 1949.

Elton John born in '47, Dolly Parton born in '46.

So, well played, Debbie.

Another £300 in the prize pot,

and that brings it up to £500.

Let's take a look at question two.

So, what are your first thoughts?

I have a funny feeling it's the tomato.

OK, so you think the tomato may be the most, but you're not sure

-about the other two.

-Not 100% sure.

Let's see if our panel can stick these in the right order.

Your debate starts now, guys.

You're the cook amongst us, Alice, what do you reckon?

My instinct would say cucumber

because there's actually a lot of sugar in watermelon

and in tomato whereas cucumber

has the least sugary flavour.

-Got the least flavour.

-Least flavour, yes.

-And we think that's got the most.

-That's the science bit.

-That's got the most?

-I think so.

We're going to put that one up that end.

Initially, I thought watermelon because one, it's massive.

And there's a kind of clue in the name, isn't there?

But I'm not so sure because when you think about

tomatoes...

-Soggy sandwiches with tomatoes.

-Oh, yes, oh, yes!

If you're in need of refreshment, though,

you'd have a slice of watermelon over a slice of tomato.

-See, we think that's got more water in it.

-I would say.

Actually, it probably has, you see, cos when you squish them down,

there's not a lot of pulp left, is there?

-True.

-A huge amount of water comes out.

That's why you get good tomato juice.

Because you squish them and you get lots of good juice out.

I'm happy with cucumber, I'm not sure about the other two.

So, do we think there's more water in a watermelon

than there is in a tomato?

I wonder if the water in a watermelon is a bit of

a red herring here.

Well, actually, tomatoes have got lots of water in them.

Rather more so than watermelon, which has got lots of sugar.

-I think it's tomato now.

-You think tomato is in the middle.

-Now I'm thinking about a cucumber skin.

-You're thinking of that?

So, we think that the one that has the least water is watermelon

and the one in the middle is the tomato

and the one that has the most is the cucumber.

That's what we've decided.

Watermelon, tomato, cucumber.

Any sense in there? Anything to sway you?

Cucumber sandwiches get really soggy,

but tomatoes sandwiches get soggier.

I think I'm going to have to turn my back upon the panel

and go with...

tomato being the highest water content,

cucumber in the middle and then watermelon being the converse

to what it says it is, not as watery.

OK, Debbie has gone against the panel.

Let's see, is watermelon, then cucumber,

then tomato the right order for £300?

It's the wrong order.

Let's see what the correct order was, Debbie.

It was watermelon, tomato and then cucumber.

-The panel were actually correct.

-Right.

The watermelon, there you go, 91-92% water.

The tomato, 94-95% and the cucumber, 96-97.

The Roman emperor Tiberius supposedly had slaves

wheel cucumbers around in carts so that they could catch the sun

and grow better.

And that's a selfie of Tiberius just there.

Unfortunately, you didn't manage to bank 300 quid there,

but it means, at the end of that round,

your total is £500.

So, there's plenty of time to make your mind up

who's going to play the Final Debate.

There's also £1,000 up for grabs in this round,

so we can get that prize pot up for you.

Here we go, it's time for Round 3.

OK, Debbie, in this round, you'll face questions that contain

a statement about a person, a place or a thing.

But only one of those statements is correct.

You have to decide which one.

There are two questions in this round,

and because it's our final round, we're going to up the cash

to £500 for each correct answer, so best of luck.

Let's see if we can get the cash up. Here it comes.

Anything you rule out there?

I'm immediately thinking that B might not be correct

because Glasgow is obviously a very, very big city

and I'm pretty sure it's more populated than Edinburgh.

Between the other two, I was leaning towards the British Royal Mint,

but that's more of a gut instinct thing.

So, I'm not quite sure.

I'm sure our panel can help you out with this one.

Your debate starts now, guys.

As a Welshman, you know the answer to the first one,

-don't you?

-Absolutely, I can convince you on that one cos

we used to go there literally every three weeks on school trips.

The Royal Mint is actually in Llantrisant, in Wales,

so that one rules that one out, for sure.

-But Scotland's huge.

-It is.

If you think of the Outer Hebrides, the islands.

I mean, it's not densely populated in all of those areas,

but the landmass is huge.

And you got all the... You've got the Outer Hebrides,

the Inner Hebrides, the Shetlands, you've got all of that as well,

haven't you, all around?

I mean, I think if you look at a map

of Great Britain, Scotland is huge.

It's got that bit down there.

I think we've covered Scotland, but just Glasgow and Edinburgh.

I think Glasgow is going to probably have more people.

With the Commonwealth Games, they were talking about it being more...

What, Edinburgh has got more people?

-Glasgow is more populated than Edinburgh.

-Yes.

-I think we're all agreed on...

-C.

-The area, yes.

-We think it's C.

OK, so we agree that we believe that C is the correct answer.

What do you think?

The confirmation that the Royal Mint

is not in Scotland helps dramatically.

Angela mentioning, obviously, all the Highlands and islands

and the sheer size of Scotland on the map...

It's going to have to be C.

So, you're going with the panel.

We are saying, for £500, that Scotland is larger in area

than Wales and Northern Ireland combined.

Is it the correct statement?

-It is the correct statement!

-Well done, team.

You were right to go with the panel.

The Royal Mint, of course, is in Wales.

Glasgow is the most populated city in Scotland, just under 600,000.

Edinburgh's population is around 470,000.

Scotland's land area is 30,000 square miles.

The combined land area of Wales and Northern Ireland, 13,000.

13,000 square miles if you stuck it together.

So, £500 added to your prize pot gives you

a new total of £1,000.

Here comes your second question.

-One of those is a fact, Debbie.

-Righto!

I think it might be A, but I don't know whether any of the panel

have had cows smile at them, so I'll be intrigued to find out.

Guys, your debate starts now, over to you.

Well, I remember hearing years and years ago

about an agriculture student or a veterinary student

who had a massive grant to spend a year going around the world

to take nose prints of sheep to see whether or not they had

a print that was equivalent to our fingerprints.

And after a year, she discovered no, they didn't.

Cows chew, don't they? They chew cud, they chew a lot.

-A cloven hoof.

-They've got cloven hooves, they chew, don't they?

-They chew the cud.

-Yeah, exactly.

-How many rows do you think they have?

-Two.

They couldn't chew if they didn't have teeth

top and bottom, could they?

Why would they have an odd number of toes?

They've got cloven hooves.

I'm just try to think what cow prints look like,

-and I've seen them.

-You're right, it's divided.

It's cloven, like that.

Unless you count that bit at the back.

-Identified by their nose prints?

-No way.

Maybe not after that study that you heard about.

We're usually told who they are by tagging the ear.

I seem to think there's a bit at the back of the hoof

which would make it three.

It's got to be something to do with the toes.

Take charge, Angela. What do you think?

All right, we think that it may well be that cows have

an odd number of toes on each hoof.

So, that's what our panel thought, but do you agree?

Being a bit of a fan of science and nature,

all mammals originally have five toes.

And in a lot of those animals, they have become vestigial.

Like, horses' hooves are just one toe.

I'd love the nose print idea to be right, but I don't think it is.

But do they, are they counting vestigial toes on each hoof?

I'm going to go with the nose print.

I don't know why, I'm going with the nose print.

Because I'm sure cloven hooves are just two

and the little vestigial ones don't count

because they don't touch the ground.

-I'm going to have to go with nose print.

-OK.

You have gone against our panel.

Can cows be identified by their nose print? For £500.

They can!

Well played.

-Don't know where that came from.

-Very well done.

That's incredible!

Cows are even-toed mammals.

Cows have two rows of teeth.

Cow nose-printing is an old method of identifying cattle,

but it actually does work.

-Each cow has distinct ridges, there they are.

-Really?

On their nose, the pattern of the ridges is different on each cow.

And so, from that picture, I can tell that that is Jack.

So, Debbie, well played, you went against the panel.

It was a good decision, it puts another £500 in the prize pot,

and so at the end of Round 3,

-you have £1,500.

-Wow.

Thank you.

And that's the amount that you're going to be playing for

in today's Final Debate.

What do you think you will do with the money?

I have to spend the money buying a new hip for one of my dogs.

-AUDIENCE:

-Aw!

Absolutely no pressure on our panel.

There is a dog limp at stake.

Debbie, best of luck.

There is one question that stands between you and that £1,500,

and that is today's Final Debate where you will face one question.

That question will have six possible answers but only three are correct.

In order to win the money, we need all three answers.

As before, though, you're not going to be playing alone.

It is the Final Debate, we're going to give you the choice of

one of these magnificent brains to play with you.

You and your celebrity will then have 45 seconds

to debate the question.

So, who would you like to join you for the Final Debate?

I think, just for the sheer breadth of knowledge...

..Angela, please.

OK, Angela.

Would you please join us as we play the Final Debate?

So Angela, Debbie has put her faith in you for the Final Debate.

-She's put a limping dog in my hat.

-Yes, she has!

-Absolutely no pressure here.

-Not at all!

OK, well, because it is the Final Debate,

we're going to give you two categories, Debbie.

-Good.

-From which to choose. Here they are.

I know where I'm leaning, I have to say.

-Which one?

-Human body.

It's your choice and I will do my best to support you.

I am going to have to go with Human Body, please, Paddy.

-OK, you're going with Human Body, Debbie.

-Sorry.

So, for £1,500,

here comes your Final Debate question.

So, Debbie and Angela, for the final time today, your debate starts now.

-Coccyx back of the spine, I know that.

-Yes.

Medulla oblongata I think is a bone.

I'm just trying to think. I know cerebellum definitely is.

-Coccyx, as you say, is the tail bone.

-Yes.

-Ileum, I have a funny feeling that's something to do with the...

-Stomach.

Digestive system. Malleus, sounds like a mallet.

-Is that something to do with the ear?

-There is a mallet.

There's a....

There is a tiny bone inside the ear,

which is actually called something else

but I'll remember in a minute.

Stirrup.

-Pons...

-Pons I think must be.

Because we need to find three.

I have a feeling medulla oblongata is part of the brain.

-It's part of the brain?

-I think it's something along the back of the...

-Back of the head?

-Time up.

So, Debbie, I need an answer.

The three parts of the human brain are...

Cerebellum, definitely.

Medulla oblongata, I'm pretty sure.

I'm going to go with pons.

That is the one I'm not sure about, but it sounds the most likely.

-Best of luck, Debbie.

-Thank you.

-£1,500 up for grabs.

First of all, you said the cerebellum

was part of the human brain.

Is that the correct answer?

-Yes!

-It is.

Cerebellum, it's the part of the brain that deals with movement.

You then went for the medulla oblongata.

Is that a correct answer, to keep us on track?

It is the correct answer.

It's the lowest part of the brain.

You then weren't sure.

You took a bit of time over this, you went for pons.

Is pons, for 1,500, part of the human brain?

Hey!

-Well done! Well played, Debbie.

-Thank you!

-Well done.

-Thank you.

-Congratulations.

-Well done.

-Thank you.

Well played, Angela.

The pons is actually part of the brain stem.

So, well played,

you identified our three answers and you leave today with £1,500.

Wow!

That is it for Debatable,

it's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel today.

To Angela Rippon, to Gethin Jones and Alice Levine.

I do hope you've enjoy watching

and we will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.