Episode 7 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable,

the quiz show where a panel of celebrities try to win money

by doing what they do best, having a chat.

Today, one of our players must answer

a series of tricky questions to try to bag our jackpot of £2,000.

But they're not on their own, as they will also have a panel

of celebrity brainboxes debating their way to the answer.

Will they help or will they hinder? Well, that is debatable.

So let's meet them.

On today's show,

we have broadcaster...

actor...

and actor...

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That's our panel. Let's see who's playing today.

It is Jennifer O'Brien from Bristol.

-Hey, Jenny.

-Hi. Good to meet you.

-How are you doing?

-I'm good, thanks.

Good, good. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

My name's Jenny. I'm 31 and I'm from Bristol, obviously.

I have a husband, Terry, and a nearly two-year-old son called Alex.

Will he be watching today?

It's kind of bedtime, so maybe we'll tape it for him.

All right. Well, look, we wish you the best of luck.

Let's get this Debatable show on the road as we play Round 1.

-Jenny, this round is multiple choice.

-OK.

There are four possible answers. Only one of those is correct.

Helping you find the correct answer will be our panel.

Will you go with what they say or will you go your own way?

-It's entirely up to you.

-Right.

Two questions in this round. Both questions are worth £200.

-Ready to play?

-Yep.

Here we go. Let's get cracking.

-Yes.

-Yes, Jenny.

-Yes.

-Talk to me.

Um... I have no idea.

If you were going to have a wild guess?

I'd probably go for flippers if I were stabbing in the dark

-at this stage.

-OK. You're thinking flippers.

Let's see what our panel make of this. Your debate starts now.

Thank you, Jenny. We have no idea either.

-Let's think about this for a second.

-OK.

"Ped" does mean, in my book, foot.

-Yeah, but they're all footed answers.

-They're all footed answers.

But what other words start "pinni"?

Pinnacle. So it could be something that goes to a point.

Doesn't a flipper have a foot?

I don't think it does have a foot.

Flippers don't have feet, do they?

No. But you have them on your feet.

I think if I'm going to rule anything out,

-I rule flippers out to start with.

-I would too.

-Yeah, let's skip flippers.

-And tentacles, I think.

-And tentacles as well.

-Yeah.

-Interesting.

-Because tentacles aren't feet.

-No, they're not.

-What are they?

-They're little sort of...

-I think I'm going for hooves...

-Are you?

-..personally. You're not convinced?

-No, I think it's...

-I mean, claws are pretty foot-like.

-They are.

-What are?

-Claws.

-We'll go for hooves, your answer.

-I think so.

-Are we? OK.

The answer to the question is

pinniped animals are animals that have hooves.

-OK.

-Nigel ruled out flippers straightaway...

-Yeah, yeah.

-..which was, of course, your first answer.

-Yeah.

They're suggesting hooves.

I think I'm going... I'm actually going to stick with flippers.

-Cos I feel like hooves, that's, like, cloven foot.

-Mm.

So you're ignoring the precise science of our panel?

-Yeah, despite their...

-The precise science of guesswork.

..amazing reasoning and arguments,

I'm going to go with flippers, I think.

This is the look of someone who has to play this game with you

-for the rest of this half hour.

-Yeah.

-Yes.

-We apologise in advance.

The correct answer for £200 is...

-..flippers!

-Hey!

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-Very well played.

-'Thank you.'

Very well played.

I have no idea where that came from.

The Pinnipedia are an order of amphibious, carnivorous mammals

that have fins, including seals and walruses.

-Well, I never.

-Well, we couldn't be further from the truth there,

-could we?

-Oh, look! Now I see. Yes.

-There he is. That's a walrus.

-You are marvellous in that shot, by the way, Nigel.

-Yes, thank you.

Wonderful. I'll always remember that.

I'd had a bit of a rough night.

The word pinniped is a compound of the Latin words pinna

for feather or wing and ped for foot.

OK. Well done. Well played. You're up and running.

£200 in the prize pot.

-Very well played.

-Thank you.

Here's your next question.

Um... Again, I don't know for sure.

Joan of Arc is kind of medieval and Chaucer is medieval,

-so I'd probably tend towards Chaucer.

-OK.

You're tending towards Chaucer.

Let's see what our panel tend towards. Your debate starts now.

-It's a tough one, isn't it?

-It's tricky.

-They're all pretty...

I mean, two of them are really close.

I think Genghis Khan is 12th century.

-Genghis Khan was earlier.

-Yeah, I think he was earlier.

-And Michelangelo was later.

-Yes, I agree.

-But, I don't...

Joan of Arc was 13th century, wasn't she?

-Yeah, I'd say so, yeah.

-It's kind of broad...

And I think that Chaucer was the same time.

I agree with Jenny, funnily enough. I think...

When was Robert the Bruce?

Robert the Bruce was...

-SCOTTISH ACCENT:

-Robert the Bruce.

-Wasn't that Mel Gibson?

-Your accent.

-When was Mel Gibson? That film?

-1980.

-1980.

That was 1980, Mel Gibson.

-Mel Gibson was hung, drawn and quartered.

-Quartered.

And, so, that was probably... That is definitely a later century.

-Much later, exactly.

-I think we'll all agree on that.

I think that, yeah, and Michelangelo, the Renaissance,

-all of that is later.

-Wasn't that 15th, 16th?

-16th, 15th?

Oh, yeah, there you go then.

And we think Joan of Arc was sort of 13th century.

-Yeah, and I think so was Chaucer.

-Chaucer.

-OK. We've made up our minds?

-We have, yes.

-Yes.

-Chaucer, The Canterbury Tales, The Pilgrim's Progress.

-Yes.

We think that Chaucer was born in the same century as Joan of Arc.

We got there, Patrick.

They say they got there.

Some would say they got somewhere.

-You said Chaucer and they've, eventually...

-Yeah.

..come round to your initial thought.

Yeah. I should know more about art, really, shouldn't I?

-With what we're working with, you probably should.

-Yeah, yeah.

I'm going to stick with Chaucer, I think.

-You're going to stick with Chaucer?

-Yeah.

OK. For £200, was Chaucer born in the same century as Joan of Arc?

EVERYBODY GROANS The correct answer is Michelangelo.

-Damn.

-We ruled him out pronto.

-Yeah, I thought he was too late.

-So she's later than that.

Nigel, you were right. Genghis Khan

-was the 12th century.

-Yeah.

Joan of Arc was born in the 15th century.

Michelangelo was born in the 15th century.

-Robert the Bruce was in the 13th century.

-We got them all wrong.

Chaucer was born in the 14th century

-It's only like 100 years out.

-Yeah.

-What's 100 years?

-Yeah, between friends?

And Mel Gibson actually played William Wallace,

not Robert the Bruce.

-You watched the film thinking it was Robert the Bruce.

-I did.

I'm going to go back and watch the film again.

So, sorry, Jenny, no cash for that one.

And at the end of that round, you have banked £200.

So, Jenny, this is the point where we

look at our panel, we admire them and we say how they're doing.

Um... I think they're trying really hard.

-There's still time.

-Well, look, make sure and play close attention,

because you're going to have to choose one of them to help you

in today's Final Debate.

Let's see how they cope with the next round. It is pictures.

Jenny, all you've got to do is place three pictures in the correct order.

-Right.

-There are two questions in this round

-and each correct answer is worth £300.

-OK.

So from the first round,

-remember that our panel has a 100% record of getting it wrong.

-OK.

-You have gone with them once...

-Yeah.

-..you got it wrong. You went with your own mind, £200.

-OK.

Let's see if they can do any better here in our next round.

Here it comes.

My mum is a big royal fan.

So I think I probably could give this one a pretty good guess.

OK. If you were going to guess, for your mum, what would it be?

Well, I think it's going to be Edward the furthest,

then Harry, then Charlotte is the nearest.

OK. So let's see what our panel makes of this.

Konnie is nodding her head. Your debate starts now.

Konnie, shall we ask the royal correspondent?

You're quite right, Jenny. That's exactly it. Let's move on, shall we?

-Our royal correspondent...

-Yes.

-..Christopher Biggins.

Yes. Well, I think, shall we put our pictures up?

-Yes. Let's do it.

-There we go.

I think that you're right. Prince Edward has to go to the end.

-Let's do that.

-Let's do that. We know that.

-There you go, Edders.

I'd forgotten he was alive,

until I saw him on the...

-Edward?

-He's been quiet, hasn't he?

-Very quiet, hasn't he?

-Him and Sophie.

-Sort of non-existent in a way.

Anyway, he goes down there.

Now, I know that there was, and I'm sure we all remember this,

cos it happened quite recently, I think

within the last year or two years,

where they changed the royal accession to the throne,

which meant that the women

took priority over men.

So there was no business

about putting a woman down the...

-Down the male line.

-Exactly.

-Quite right.

So I think that the first one

should be Princess Charlotte.

-Hm-mm.

-Yes.

-And I think then we're left with Harry in the middle.

-With Harry, naughty Harry.

-Naughty Harry.

So on that note, I think I can safely say that the order

furthest from the throne goes to Prince Edward,

followed by Prince Harry, followed by Princess Charlotte.

-So there we go, Jenny.

-Yeah.

The good news is Prince Edward is very much alive,

confirmed by Christopher Biggins.

-Anything in there to change your mind?

-Uh...

No. I pretty much agree with them, I think.

So the order you're going for is...?

Edward, Harry, Charlotte.

OK. So for £300, is that the correct order?

It is!

-Well done.

-Thank you.

-Congratulations. Well played.

-Prince Edward is ninth in line to the throne.

-Oh, poor Ed.

Prince Harry, fifth in line. Princess Charlotte, fourth in line.

You, indeed, were right.

The Succession To The Crown Act in 2013

meant that women had equal rights to the throne.

-How very modern of us.

-Very modern.

-Yes.

-Very modern.

-Very modern.

So £300 added to your prize pot, giving you a total of £500.

Well done, panel. Well done, Jenny. Here we go.

Here's your next question.

-Three magnificent Olympians.

-Yeah.

Any clue?

Um...

I think I'd probably keep them in the order they are up

-on the screen already.

-Ah.

Cos I think the swimmers, they do lots of events,

so they get lots of goes at it.

I think swimmers win quite a lot.

-So on that logic you're going for Carl Lewis the fewest...

-Yeah.

..Steve Redgrave and then Michael Phelps with the most?

-Yeah, I think so.

-OK. Don't worry.

Our panel will easily sort this out for you, I'm sure.

Your debate starts now.

Well, funnily enough, I've won a silver Olympic medal.

Well, in Chariots Of Fire.

But that was a fictional thing.

Yes, but I still had to do it.

-Yes, all right, yes.

-Well, well done, you.

Yes, thank you very much.

-It was tough.

-And you had to drink the champagne, didn't you?

-Yes.

That was marvellous,

-I loved that.

-Thank you so much.

-Honestly, you were brilliant.

-Mwah.

-Are we being helpful, so far?

This is really good, yeah.

You were a triumph, darling, a triumph.

I was brilliant.

But I remember, there's a picture

of Michael Phelps with unbelievable

amount of gold

-round his neck.

-Yeah.

That picture sticks with me.

Carl Lewis, I don't really know

much about Carl Lewis.

-Quite a long time ago.

-Yeah.

I think you're probably right.

-Steve Redgrave has won a lot of medals, though.

-Yes.

-Yeah.

I think he's got about five medals, I seem to remember.

-Yeah, I think that sounds...

-There's quite a few.

-Five or six.

Whereas, I think Michael Phelps has got about 52.

Are we forgetting how many Carl actually has, because it's a bit

-further back?

-We have no idea how many Carl has.

-No.

-That's the trouble.

-That's the trouble.

-He's got very good teeth, though, hasn't he?

-He has great teeth.

-He looks like he could be a dentist.

-Yeah.

-I think...

-Are you happy with that order?

-I'm very happy.

-Konnie?

-Konnie?

-Um...yes.

So the panel has deliberated

and we've found out that the fewest

goes to Carl Lewis, simply because we don't know how many he won,

the second-fewest

goes to Steve Redgrave and the most goes to...

-Michael Phelps.

-..Michael Phelps.

So that's what our panel, chaired by fellow Olympian,

-Nigel Havers, believes...

-Right.

-..which was your first thought.

-Yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with what we've got so far.

OK. So agreeing with the panel.

We're all in, for £300, is that the correct order?

-Oh, no!

-It's the wrong order.

-Let's see the right order.

-Steve and Carl Lewis.

Carl Lewis must be...

-Really?

-Steve Redgrave has the fewest,

-then Carl Lewis, then Michael Phelps.

-Oh, how annoying.

-That's so annoying.

-Steve Redgrave has five gold medals,

Carl Lewis has nine and Michael Phelps - 18 gold medals.

Carl Lewis, of course, was actually a sprinter,

but he was also a long jumper as well.

Yeah. Sport is a weak point.

It's a weak point.

But don't worry, there's still plenty of cash up there.

Unfortunately, you didn't manage to bank anything for that question,

so at the end of Round 2, your total is £500.

OK. There's still another £1,000 up for grabs as we play Round 3.

OK, Jenny, in this round,

you'll face questions that contain three

statements about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of those statements is true and you must decide which one.

Two questions in the round, because it's our final round,

-£500 up for grabs for each correct answer.

-OK.

-So, best of luck.

Let's see if we can bag £1,000. Here we go.

Looking at that, anything you'd rule out straightaway?

I think he's had a song out with Rihanna quite recently,

but I don't know if it was a top-ten hit.

I don't really...do the charts any more.

So yeah, I think I'd be interested to hear what the panel

have got to say on this one.

You really want a couple of people that have lived through that era.

Yeah, it'd be really good if there were maybe someone on the panel

who'd lived in the '60s and '70s and remembered it.

-And could remember it.

-Yeah.

Well, we've got two that lived through it.

Let's see if they remember it.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-Interesting.

-He's a very nice man, isn't he?

I've met him several times. He's very, very charming.

He's charming, very charming.

And I've met Ringo a couple of times.

Who is the oldest Beatle, we think, don't we?

I think he is the oldest Beatle.

Now, the first Beatle to have solo UK top-40 single,

-we think there was someone else, is there?

-I don't think it was Paul,

-I think it might have been George Harrison.

-George.

-Yeah.

And it's interesting that you said,

I don't think any of us knew on the panel,

you said that he did a single with Rihanna, was that right?

'I'm sure I've heard'

talk of it on the radio.

How long ago would that be? Rihanna? Remind me. Rihanna.

-Not long ago, quite recently.

-What did she win?

She came about, five years... No.

Did she win Britain's Got... No, not Britain's Got Talent.

No, she's probably been on the scene...

-Actually, she's been on the scene a while now, Rihanna.

-Yeah.

-He might have co-written the song, you see?

-Maybe ten years.

-Just to think that he's been making hits for 50 years.

-Yes.

-And she's been going...

-Just like us.

-Just like us, exactly!

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Guys and girls, to sum up, what do you think?

Well, I think answer B - "Had a UK top-ten hit with Rihanna."

-Konnie, what do you think?

-I'll go with that.

-Would you?

So we've all decided we're going with B -

"Paul McCartney had a top-ten UK hit

"with Rihanna."

-So, some of our panel - not quite sure who Rihanna is.

-Right.

-Biggins thought she may have won Britain's Got Talent.

-Yeah.

Any help?

I think I remember reading something the other day that John Lennon

released something while The Beatles were still together.

So that would make him the first one to have a solo top-40 single.

And the panel seem fairly confident that Ringo's the oldest.

-So I think I'm going to go with the Rihanna song.

-OK.

You are agreeing with the panel. For £500, the correct answer is...

-Yay!

-It is B.

-Very well done.

-Thank you.

Very well done.

Paul McCartney had a top-three hit in 2015 with Rihanna and Kanye West

called FourFiveSeconds.

There they are.

John Lennon had the first solo hit outside The Beatles

with Give Peace A Chance in 1969.

The oldest Beatle was Ringo Starr.

Rihanna did not win Britain's Got Talent.

She'll kill you for that.

She should have done.

So, well worked out, Jenny.

£500 now added to your prize pot, giving you a total of £1,000.

And still £500 up for grabs with our second question in this round.

Here it comes.

If you'd like to look at the body language of the panel,

you will see that you may be on your own in this, Jenny.

Annoyingly, Antarctica's the only continent I haven't been to,

so that's really helpful.

I am a bit of a fan of penguins, though, so I do know a bit

about penguins and they live in the Antarctic.

-Do they live in trees?

-They don't live in trees.

So that would probably be my gut instinct, would be to say trees.

OK. You're leaning towards there are no trees in Antarctica.

-Yeah.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-What a difficult one.

-It's a difficult one, isn't it, this?

-Hm.

-It really is. Let's discuss trees.

It's a vast area. How do we know there are no trees?

It's the sort of question that says,

-"Of course there are no trees there."

-Yeah.

-And there are.

-Yeah.

-And there are.

-There only needs to be one tree...

-Yeah, that's true, that's true.

-Yeah.

-I think there could be

-the odd tree.

-Well, because it's at the bottom of the world,

-don't the trees just fall out?

-AUDIENCE LAUGH

-Well, that's always a possibility.

-Always a possibility.

Now, let's go to the top one - "Smaller land area than Australia."

-Australia's very big.

-It's huge! Have you ever been to Australia?

I have. I love Australia. It's lovely.

-I made a couple of films there.

-Did you really?

-I made a film about Burke and Wills.

-Oh, marvellous.

-They were the first people to walk across Australia.

-Oh, yes, yes.

-They both died there in the middle.

-Did you win an award for it?

-No, sadly not.

-You should have done.

I felt, really, that I should have done.

But I did learn about Australia being a HUGE country.

I would have thought that Antarctica somehow was a smaller land area.

-I'm going to disagree with you.

-Are you?

-Mm.

-I think that it's warmer than the Arctic.

-Oh, do you?

-Yes.

I'm confused now.

-You're not going for smaller land area than Australia?

-No.

How about you?

Konnie, what do you think?

I would feel it would be warmer than the Arctic as well,

-but I'm going on no knowledge.

-Oh, dear.

I'm going to stick my neck out as the head of the panel and say...

-I think it's bigger than Australia.

-..I've come to a conclusion.

Oh, go on, do it.

-All right then. No, we don't agree with you.

-I'll take the rap.

-But you carry on.

-Thank you.

I'm going to say that it's B -

the Antarctic is warmer than the Arctic.

-It's got a sort of ring to it.

-Mm.

So our panel, or should I say Konnie and Nigel,

think it is warmer than the Arctic.

And can we just say extra points to Biggins for listening to Nigel's

Australia story without saying he was king of the jungle.

He was king of the jungle in Australia!

-Yes, you kept quiet about that.

-Well, I don't like to brag.

So, Jenny, where's your head now on this one?

I'm fairly convinced that I've heard somewhere that it's the only

continent that doesn't have trees on it.

So unless we're counting, like, some scientist who's brought

a little pot plant with him, I'm going to say there's no trees.

Ooh.

Our panel did go for warmer than the Arctic,

you are saying there are no trees in Antarctica.

For £500, the correct answer is...

..there are no trees!

Well done!

Very nice work, Jenny.

Over 99% of the Antarctic is covered in a permanent snow or a permafrost,

meaning that very little vegetation grows and what does grow is grasses,

moss and other lower-order plant groups.

Australia is just under 8 million square kilometres.

Antarctica is around 14 million square kilometres.

-CHRISTOPHER:

-How amazing.

-Very well played, Jenny.

Another 500 into your prize pot, which means you are on £1,500.

So, Jenny, there is just one question that stands between

you and the cash - that is today's Final Debate.

Now, in the Final Debate, you're only going to have one question.

-Right.

-That question will have six possible answers.

-OK.

We need the three correct answers.

As before, you're not going to be playing alone,

you're going to be playing with one member of this panel.

So based on today's performance, Jenny,

who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Well, uh...

I actually think that Nigel's been quite good at concentrating,

getting to the point and there is only 45 seconds.

So I think I'll go with Nigel Havers, please.

Nigel, will you join us, please, for the Final Debate?

So, Nigel, Jenny has chosen you for the Final Debate.

-I can sense the confidence from here.

-Jenny must be mad!

Because this is the Final Debate,

you have two categories to choose from.

Let's have a look at those.

Celebrities or Landmarks?

Um... Any ideas?

-How's your geography?

-Pretty good.

-Is it? Which would you prefer?

-You must have been

-to a lot of places filming things.

-I've been to a fair many places.

Celebrities?

-I don't really...

-No.

-Well, no, I don't really know.

Whatever makes you comfortable, I'm going to go with.

-I think I'll probably go with Landmarks.

-OK.

All right. Landmarks.

Jenny, best of luck.

For £1,500, here comes your 45-second Final Debate question.

So, Jenny and Nigel, for the final time today,

your 45-second debate starts now.

-Stonehenge, Jenny, I think it has to be.

-Yeah.

I think Stonehenge is definitely...

What about Giant's Causeway? Have you ever been there?

-No. But, I mean, it's...

-It's a major thing.

It's a big thing and they've got those...

-It's the geological hexagons, isn't it?

-That's right.

It's absolutely amazing.

Hang on. Eden Project.

Eden Project, that was only built, like, ten, 15 years ago.

Yes. I don't think that would be on there.

I don't think that would be on there yet.

White Cliffs of Dover.

I mean that is a bit of a national icon,

but I don't know if that would be...

-15.

-..a World Heritage...

The Tower of London.

That must... That's, like, built by William the Conqueror, wasn't it?

The Clifton Suspension Bridge, that's near my house.

Tower of London's definitely got to be there.

-Right.

-I don't think that is.

So Stonehenge, Tower of London.

Time's up. I'm going to have to stop you, guys.

Jenny, I need three answers, please.

I think I'm going to say

Giant's Causeway, Stonehenge

and Tower of London.

Giant's Causeway, Stonehenge and the Tower of London.

£1,500. Here we go.

First up - is Giant's Causeway

a World Heritage Site?

It is!

Well done.

In County Antrim, in Northern Ireland.

Next up, Stonehenge.

Is Stonehenge a correct answer?

-Yay.

-Two out of two.

OK. Finally, you said, Tower of London.

You weren't quite sure.

You were thinking, possibly, White Cliffs of Dover.

Then Nigel said Eden Project.

You plumped with Tower of London.

If it's the correct answer, it's £1,500. Best of luck.

Is Tower of London a World Heritage Site?

It is! AUDIENCE CHEER AND APPLAUD

-Well done!

-Thank you.

-Well played, Jenny.

-Thank you very much.

Very well worked out. Well done.

-Fantastic.

-That's our three -

Giant's Causeway, Stonehenge and Tower of London.

Well played, Jenny. She leaves with £1,500.

That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

Nigel Havers...

..Christopher Biggins

and Konnie Huq.

I do hope you've enjoyed watching.

We will see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.