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These are the Dragons, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
five of Britain's wealthiest and most enterprising business leaders. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
Over the next ten weeks, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
they'll make or break the dreams of dozens of budding entrepreneurs. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
I think this is a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
It's horrible! | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
You need to think through... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
..your attitude. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
How ridiculous of you to come and stand here | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
and pitch to investors when you haven't got that information. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
Good product, but a great product doesn't make a business. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Erm... | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
..I am going to make you an offer. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
The multimillionaire investors have each built up | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
their fortunes from scratch... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
..hotel and health-club owner Duncan Bannatyne... | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
leisure-industry expert Deborah Meaden... | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
..retail magnate Theo Paphitis... | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
..telecoms giant Peter Jones... | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
and new Dragon Hilary Devey, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
who made her millions in the haulage industry. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
The Dragons have the credentials, the contacts, the commitment | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
and the cash ready to invest, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
but only in the right business. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Will any of these hopeful entrepreneurs | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
walk away with their money? | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Welcome back to the Dragons' Den. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
The doors are once again open for business, | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
and this year, we welcome formidable businesswoman and self-made multimillionaire | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
Hilary Devey, who takes her place in one of those five infamous chairs. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
The line-up may have changed, but as ever, the rules remain the same. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
Entrepreneurs face intense scrutiny in trying to persuade the Dragons | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
to invest in their business. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
Only the very best will succeed. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Mum-of-three Georgette Hewitt from Kent is first into the Den, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
hoping to convince the Dragons | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
her online venture has money-making potential. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
Hello. My name is Georgette Hewitt, and I'm here today | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
to ask for £60,000 in exchange for 20% of my company, the Present Club. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:05 | |
The Present Club is an online toy shop, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
but with a twist, as it's the first ever children's website | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
to take contributions towards children's presents. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
The website treats children to an online experience, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
empowering them to create their very own web page, cut in themselves... | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Oh, sorry. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Erm... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
OK. Sorry, there's 5,000 toys and games that children can choose from. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
Ohhh... | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
Children can choose from... Ohhh... I'm sorry. Please can I start again? | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
-HILARY: -You're doing OK. Carry on. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
You're doing OK. Tell us. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
Well, the website, erm... | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
Basically, I've got, erm, around 2,500 suppliers, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
er, 25 suppliers, erm... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Oh, I'm sorry, I can't. I'm sorry. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
I've completely lost it. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
It's a daunting prospect, pitching to the Dragons | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
and one that has clearly got the better of 34-year-old Georgette Hewitt. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
She might be seeking £60,000 in return for a 20% equity stake, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:45 | |
but do the multimillionaire investors | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
have enough information to assess her website? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Peter Jones is first to interrogate the shaken entrepreneur. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
Georgette, your presentation was appalling. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
Your first part of the pitch, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
we kind of got what the club's all about. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
-It's a kind of wedding-list gift for kids' birthdays. -It is indeed, yeah. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
You mentioned 2,500 suppliers, then you got stressed and said 25. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
-It's 25 suppliers. -Those 25 suppliers, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
they allow you to put their stock up on the website. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
You don't have to buy an inventory or hold stock? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
No, I don't hold anything. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
I've teamed up with one of the largest independent toy retailers, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
called the Entertainer, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
because they drop-ship 1,500 of the products that I sell | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
-to my customers. -What margin do you get? -A start-off commission of 6%. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
-Six? -Six, yeah. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
-So why have you done a deal at 6%? -Because the larger products | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
they don't mind drop-shipping, but it's the smaller products | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
that come in multiple packs they won't direct dispatch, so... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
-So we're not confused, what are you classing as direct dispatch and drop-ship? -Same thing. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
-Yeah. So why are you distinguishing between the two? -Did I? -Yeah. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
A rather faltering opening exchange from the fledgling businesswoman. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
Deborah Meaden tries a different tack. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Georgette, can I ask you about the functionality of the website? How complicated is the site? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
It's really simple. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
There's just a contribution box. We can probably see it here, actually. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
They just key in next to the products. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
The piggy gets more smiley, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
and then you can leave a message saying happy birthday, whatever. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
-Was this built from scratch, this site? -It was, yeah. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
I had it commissioned. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
-So you actually own the source code to the site? -I don't own it, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
because it uses the website developers' proprietary software, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
but I could take the website, host it with another server, I... | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Not if you've not got the source code. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
-Yeah, I have actually asked. -What language is it written in? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
Ooh... I don't know. Sorry. Erm... | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Yeah. I mean, my big worry is what do you own, other than a name? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
I think because I can take the, erm, the... | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
But without that website, you haven't got a business. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
First, question marks over her business abilities, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
and now concerns about the business itself. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Duncan Bannatyne is not looking impressed. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
-Almost every week, my children go to parties, and they take a little present. -Mm-hm. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
And the excitement of buying the present and wrapping it up to take with them, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
and then the friend presumably opens it after the party | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
and they see the different presents and who it's from. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
You're saying that instead of buying a present and wrapping it, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
you go to a computer and you click £10. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
I think we might as well just forget about Santa Claus, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
let's forget about Christmas - 25th December, just press a button | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
on the internet and get your presents? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
But I think that it's the wording on the poem on the invitation, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
it just says it nicely - "Don't buy me a present. If you want to, there's something great..." | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
It doesn't matter how nice it says it. It says, "Don't buy me a present, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
"chip in for a bike." | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
I think this is a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. It's horrible. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
-And I'm out. -OK. Thank you. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Georgette's first blow is delivered by Duncan Bannatyne. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
And Deborah Meaden seems to have made up her mind, too. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Georgette, I find myself invested in quite a few web-based businesses, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
and without exception, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
the big issue that we've had is not about driving customers to the site, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:51 | |
because we can drive customers to the site, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
it's the site handling those customers. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
There's a lot to website structure | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
that can make it work or make it not work. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
-Mm-hm. -So what I'm saying is I don't think you're going to be able | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
to technically explain to me why it's OK and why it's robust enough. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
No, you're probably right. I don't think I could! | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
For that reason, Georgette, I'm out. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
Two Dragons out, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
and it looks as though Georgette won't be spending long in the Den. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
But has technology guru Peter Jones | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
spotted something his rival investors have missed? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Georgette... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
..I think that... | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
the business and the concept and concerns over the web, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
all those things are actually easily dealt with. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
How many people have you got coming to the site? How many? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
I have about 200 hits a day, 5,500 unique visitors a month. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:58 | |
I've got 2,000 wish lists. Of that, about 700 that are active. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
Do you know in the last 12 months the total value of sales? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Basically, 60,000 turnover. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
-And you own the URL thepresentclub.com? -Yeah. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
And .co.uk is in your name? OK. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-Were they just available? Did you have to buy them? -The .co.uk was, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
and then .com wasn't, and I just searched every few months, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
and then it just came available, so I bought it! | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
-How much did you pay for it? -£20. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
What were you doing beforehand? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
I left school at 15, after my GCSEs, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
and I got a job on the futures exchange in the City. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
I was a trading assistant for a couple of years, a yellow jacket, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
and then I took my trading exams at 18, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
and I became the youngest female trader on the futures floor. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
So I did that for about 15 years, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and then I left to have my first daughter. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
At last a much more confident Georgette as she reveals | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
a credible background and the mindset of an entrepreneur. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
But is it enough for retail giant Theo Paphitis? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
-I like the concept. -Thank you. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
-I think it's a great concept. -Mm-hm. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
And I think the name's great, as well. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
It's just a great idea. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
But I don't actually believe | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
that the £60,000 is going to be enough. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
And that's my concern. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Right, OK. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
But... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
..I would like to make you an offer. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
The full £60,000... | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
for 30%. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
OK. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
Thank you. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
In an astonishing turnaround, Theo Paphitis has seen | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
enough potential in Georgette's business to make an offer. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
Now, with two Dragons left, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
will the former City trader be able to negotiate herself a deal | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
closer to the 20% she initially wanted to give away? | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Theo's offered an incredible deal at 30%. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
So... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
..I'm going to offer the full amount of money.. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
..for 25% of your business. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
OK. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
The drama in the Den continues | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
as Peter Jones undercuts his rival investor. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Will Hilary Devey make it three offers in a row? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
Georgette... | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
..I believe in the concept, because, God's sake, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
I was a single parent, and it was damned hard work | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
chasing round at the 11th hour 59th minute | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
trying to get presents together to send him to a birthday party, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
-so I'm with you all the way. -Yeah. -Erm... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
..I'm really, really tempted, because I think | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
yes, your pitch was awful, but I actually think you sell yourself. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
Oh, thank you. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
But... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
..I don't think I can improve on what Peter and Theo are offering. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
-But well done. -Thank you. -Unfortunately, I'm out. -Thank you. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
OK, would Peter and Theo maybe think about doing something together? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
Perhaps if you, erm... | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
offered me... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
60,000... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
and 25% between you? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
OK. I'd be quite happy to share 30% with him, if that's what he wanted, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
but 12.5% each, I couldn't live with that. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
I would. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
I would split it with Theo, 30%. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
And then you've got both of us... | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
-Both Dragons. -..on your team. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
OK. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
OK, on that basis, I'd like to work for...work with you both. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
-Well, there you go! -Congratulations! -Thank you! | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
-Thank you! -Well done. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Georgette has done it. It may not have been the best of starts, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
but she now has both a retail guru and a technology expert by her side. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:13 | |
-Do you not love the name? -I can't believe she's got the .com. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
So, Georgette, 30% of the business has been taken from you, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
but you've got cash for it. Are you feeling happy? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
I feel over the moon. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
I thought it was going to just turn out to be a disaster. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
What had gone wrong there? You must have practised. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
I'd practised loads, but I think the nerves got the better of me. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
But thankfully, they saw the vision in the business | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
despite me actually not telling them anything about it! | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
-Well done, and very good luck. -Thank you. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
The Dragons never know who or what will be coming up the stairs next. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Former software engineer George Winter wanted £50,000 | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
for his toilet-based product that eliminates | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
a common but unfortunate side effect. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Ever since the invention of the first modern toilet, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
people have been trying to come up with ideas to prevent splashback. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
-LAUGHTER -Did you just say "splashback"? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
I believe the best solution is the simplest solution, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
so I've invented Egglu, the anti-splash ball. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
-I was just going to do a demonstration. -Oh, no! No! | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
Thank you, thank you, Peter! | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
In a bid to spare Dragon blushes, George had instead brought along some props to help set the scene. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
First, we do one without the ball. You get splashback. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
With the Egglu... | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
-..there's no splashback. -I feel sick. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Peter Jones couldn't quite grasp | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
the science of this particular appliance. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
It's a plastic ball you put in the toilet | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
and it goes the other side of the ball. It's still going to splash. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
No, it automatically moves over to wherever the... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
-What, so it moves to head off the... -It moves to where there's a vacuum. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
-It's displacement. -It's displacement, yeah. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
George, I do not want to be in a business | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
where we have to have the discussions that we've just been talking about. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
-Where there's muck, there's luck. -I don't care. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
Despite the prevailing mood, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
the newest Dragon did provide some words of encouragement. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
I'm not laughing at you, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:34 | |
cos I don't laugh at anybody that thinks of a solution to a problem. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
Millions and millions of toilet perfume dispensers | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
are sold every week, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:42 | |
and maybe there's a way you could make it perfumed, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
where it was dual purpose. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Regrettably, I can't see myself investing in it currently. I'm out. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
George, good luck. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
The Dragons are investing their own money in the Den, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
so it's no wonder the questions are tough. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Will our next entrepreneur have the right answers? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Hello, Dragons. I'm Alan, and I'm here today... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
looking for £100,000... | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
for a 10% stake in my business, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
Miruji Health and Wellbeing, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
which has the potential to help to solve the obesity epidemic. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:56 | |
In the last 12 months, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
we've helped over 500 people | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
achieve significant weight loss, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
an increase in self-esteem, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
and they have a much more positive attitude to life. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
The Sit and Slim programme combines the health benefits of massage... | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
..with powerful mind-coaching audios. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
We also have Sit and Quit for smoking cessation, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Sit and De-Stress, Sit and Be Happy and Sit and Sleep. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
We've got a special audio for you Dragons. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
It's called Sit and Invest In Me. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Come on, then. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
-Just pop your shoes off. -Grand claims from the confident Lancastrian. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
By showcasing his mind-coaching massage service, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
Alan Sharrock is hoping the Dragons | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
will be more likely to offer up the £100,000 | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
he needs to expand his health brand. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
In return, he's willing to give away a 10% stake. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
So, I'm going to pop the headphones on, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
and Theo's going to go on a little journey to Miruji Beach... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
..the world's most relaxing place. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
-RELAXING VOICE: -'As the door is swung open to your beautiful room, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
'you think to yourself, "Wow, this is really happening to me."' | 0:20:17 | 0:20:24 | |
Theo's now on Miruji Beach... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
..enjoying the seven-star Miruji spa hotel. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
Is Theo still alive?! Could you just check Theo? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -He's enjoying it. He's losing weight. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
That's it, Theo. That's it. No more. Stop. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
Alan's relaxing taster session may have proved a hit, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
but what of the business behind it? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Theo Paphitis wants to know. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Alan, all's I can see at the moment is a nice massage chair... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
..and I'm not sure what you're offering me. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
The business is... | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
setting up Miruji...health spas | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
in health clubs and on the high street. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
That business must make a small fortune already, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
because you've valued it at a million quid. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
How much turnover does it make? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
In the last 12 months, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
-195 with a profit of around about 45,000. -OK. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
What do you reckon you're going to do this year? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
Erm, with your investment? With an investment? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
OK, with an investment. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
You wish. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
With an investment, erm... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
-..a few million, yeah. -Are you making it up as we go along? -No, no, no. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
No. No! Erm, it could be five million. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
-Are we going to make a profit out of that five million? -Erm, approximately 50%. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
50%. OK. I've now only got one more question. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
-OK. -Have you got any clinically proven medical claims | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
that these chairs... | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
make you lose weight? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
-We're actually trialling it in an NHS hospital. -OK. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
The answer is either yes or no. I mean, it's that simple. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Yes, there is. We've got a trial taking place at this... | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
You've got a trial. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
-..in an NHS hospital. -Alan? -Yes, Theo? -You've got a trial. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
There's no claims that anyone's ever made that you lose weight. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
-Yes. -There is? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
The NHS hospital in Norwich is doing a trial of Sit and Slim. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
-Yeah. OK. -It's early days. -All right... -Please let me finish, Theo. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
-No, I'm not going to let you finish unless you answer my question. -I am! | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
The first question, I'm going to repeat it again. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Are you aware of any clinically proven claims... | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
..that sitting in these chairs makes you lose weight? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
-No. -Right! That's what I was looking for. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
-This is painful. -Sorry. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
A somewhat tetchy opening exchange, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and not the start Alan would have hoped for. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
Can Deborah Meaden offer him any respite? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
I want to get some business facts, because I'm a little bit confused. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
-At the moment, you've got sites operating. -Yes. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
And they are generating revenue? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
-Erm, the first site opened just over 12 months ago. -Yep. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
And that one has generated... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
-erm, about £200,000 in sales. -OK. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
Ooh, hold on. Erm, what was your turnover last year, then? | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
Well, the money banked last year was 195. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
Yeah? But when we sell a Miruji membership, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
it's a 12-month membership, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
so that money comes in over a 12-month period. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
So at the moment, you've got £200,000 worth of membership. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
-In that one site. -Yeah. OK. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
And the average membership costs £620. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
Sorry, how many members in your first one? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
-Approximately 450. -OK. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
How does it work with 450 members | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
generating £200,000 worth of membership? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
Some of those presumably are paying at a discounted rate. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
No, no. Obviously, I didn't explain... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
the situation clearly enough. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
-When we started, the memberships were less. -How much were they? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
The average membership now is 620, and over the last 12 months | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
the average membership has crept up from, I would say, about 300. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
So how many of those 450 members pay £300? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
Erm... | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
the memberships that we're selling now | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
and have been doing for the last two to three months | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
on average are £620. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
OK. How does that answer my question, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
"How many of those memberships were sold at £300?"? | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
You have this peculiar way of answering another question | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
that I haven't asked, which I'm finding slightly frustrating. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
How many memberships were sold at £300? | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
Erm, I don't know. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Is that why you answered a question I didn't ask? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
The relaxed atmosphere is long gone | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
as a more tense and confused air has taken over in the Den. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Can Alan afford Hilary Devey any more clarity? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
-Erm, Alan... -Yes? | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
Out of your 500 members that you have, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
how long have they been members? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
And Duncan can quote | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
how many times his members go to his gyms every week, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
so you tell me, out of your 500 members, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
how many attend per week? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
-And then tell me how many should. -I don't have that information, Hilary. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Well, how ridiculous of you to come and stand here | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
and pitch to investors when you haven't got that information, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
because, by God, man, it's your job to have that information. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
I still have not got a clue how your turnover's broken down, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
the state of your balance sheet at the moment. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
You are talking to potential investors in your business. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
It was your job to come on here and make us aware. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
-Forget the Miruji experience - we're on planet earth, in Dragons' Den. -OK. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
You would make my foot itch, mate. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
I'm not amused. I'm angry. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
I'm out. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
The frustration boils over as the beleaguered entrepreneur | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
receives a severe dressing-down from Hilary Devey. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
And Duncan Bannatyne, who knows the health sector well, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
wants some answers of his own. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
-Alan... -Yes? -I just don't get it. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Are you selling this... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
as a solver for obesity? | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Erm, our Sit and Slim programme, erm... | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Can I just ask you the one thing, Alan? Say yes or no. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
Am I selling this as a solution for the obesity problem? | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
Yes, I suppose I am. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
A lot of our members are losing up to four stone in weight | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
simply by using the therapeutic wellbeing chair | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
and listening to the mind-coaching audio. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
So somebody pays you money to sit in a chair, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
and when they sit in the chair, the voice on the audio tells them | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
to get out of the chair and go to the gym. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
-And eat less! -Basically, that's your business model. It's ridiculous. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
Well, it doesn't just tell people to go to the gym! | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
What does it say? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
Does it say something like, "Don't eat fat hamburgers", | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
-for example? -It might suggest that you shouldn't eat certain food. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:34 | |
My point is that they pay money to sit in the chair | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
and the chair tells them to get out of the chair. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
The only way to solve this problem, the problem of obesity, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
is to find a way to get people to start looking after themselves. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
-I'm out. -OK. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
A second devastating evaluation, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
and a more circumspect Alan is fast running out of options. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
Peter Jones is now ready to show his hand. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
-Alan... -Yes, Peter? | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
Personally, I'm staggered you've got 450 members. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
So you've proved it's a business that could work. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
Is it a business that I can invest in? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Well, when we're in here looking at an investment, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
we're trying to build a rapport with you, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
at the same time trying to evaluate an opportunity, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
and you've come in here too relaxed, not focused. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
So I can't invest in the business as presented. I'm out. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
OK. Thank you. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Alan? | 0:29:42 | 0:29:43 | |
I can't imagine being in business with you. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
And my life's too short, too short to try and best-guess | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
what it is that you're not telling me | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
or what is the exact and specific question that I need to ask you | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
to get the answer to. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
-I won't be investing in you, Alan. -OK. -I'm out. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
OK... | 0:30:07 | 0:30:08 | |
Alan, I'm definitely against | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
anybody who comes to me for an investment | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
who can't answer a question | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
in a straightforward manner. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
You seriously need to think through... | 0:30:23 | 0:30:29 | |
your attitude. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
I'm totally out. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
-Thank you, Alan. -Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Having received short shrift from the Dragons, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Alan failed to secure their cash. He leaves with nothing. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
What happened? I thought it was going quite well at first, but, erm, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:55 | |
obviously it wasn't going quite as well as I thought it was going. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
Erm, I was trying to answer the questions... | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
erm... | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
as honestly as I could. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
Clearly, I didn't do as well as I could have done. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
So back to the drawing board. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
# LIVELY JAZZ TUNE | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Following a fanfare arrival, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Cardiff-based costume designer Ali Kedge caused amusement in the Den | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
whilst asking for £50,000 | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
to help expand the market for her brass-instrument accessory. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
My company's name - you've all got to keep a straight face, OK? - | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
it's called Warmahorn. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Brass instruments suffer in cold temperatures, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
and a Warmahorn is a neoprene sleeve | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
that protects colours and warms brass instruments. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
The Dragons have fundamental reservations about her business. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
It's for the outdoor market that want to keep their horn... | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
I can't even say it. It's for... | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
You started this! | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
It's for the outdoor market that want to keep their horn warm. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
So you're limiting the market already. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Ali, I like you. I love your hair. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
I love your watch. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
But I don't like your business proposal. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
I'm out. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
Though she received no offers of cash, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
one Dragon did at least try to give Ali some helpful advice. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Why don't you go and talk to somebody | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
who perhaps understands that market more | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
and perhaps could, I don't know, either advance it or... | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
I think what you mean is "musical-instrument investors". | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
Musical-instrument... Yeah. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
-There must be some! -In the Yellow Pages. "Brass-band investors." | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
On that note, I'm sorry, but I've got to say... | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
-I'm out. -OK. Thank you. -Good luck on your journey. -OK, bye. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
To hear from Hilary Devey about what it's like being a Dragon... | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
I'm not amused. I'm angry. I'm out. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
..or to find out why her rivals invested in Georgette's online business, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
press the red button at the end of the programme. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
Chilean circus entertainer Rodrigo Perez is next into the Den. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
That might be enough to suggest he's pitching an unusual venture. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
Accompanied by his wife Lois Dutton, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
the couple want to convince the Dragons they can make a fortune | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
with a spectacle sure to wow any crowd. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Hello, Dragons. My name is Rodrigo Perez. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
I am a human cannonball. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Hello, Dragons. My name is Lois. I'm Rodrigo's wife, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
and I'll be dealing with the paperwork side of the business. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
I'm here today for £30,000 investment for 10% equity share. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
I want to carry on with the family tradition that my uncle did | 0:34:09 | 0:34:15 | |
in the 1980s. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:16 | |
My business idea is to bring the new generation of the human cannonball. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:22 | |
As you can see here, it's a model of what I want to do. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
Here are some of my photos. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
This one here, I shoot out of the cannon 25 metres. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:36 | |
This one here, it was 35 metres. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
There are very few human cannonballs, so it truly is quite a unique act. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
Thank you for your attention. Are there any questions? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Showman Rodrigo Perez and his wife Lois Dutton | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
have certainly captured the Dragons' attention, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
but it's their £30,000 they really need. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
What will our new Dragon make of it all? | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
Hi. I'm Hilary. Erm, so your cannon's nearly built. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
RODRIGO: Nearly, yes. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
So when you say "nearly", how nearly built? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
80%. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
The mechanics of it is actually ready and done. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
It's quite a feat of engineering in our garage. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
But there are some things that he needs, like an air bag, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
something to put it on. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Right. So, what are the projected figures? | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
It's difficult, because the act isn't up and running yet, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
but we do have some paperwork and figures prepared. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
Right. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
RODRIGO: Looking at per show, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
er, like, around 2,700. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
LOIS: We're confident that we'll get | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-that amount per show, because... -Why? Tell me how. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
We've had inquiries last year. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
They paid a deposit, but we had to refund it | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
-because we couldn't get the finances in time. -Have you not been to the bank? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Erm, we have looked down that option, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
but basically, because we're self-employed, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
it's very difficult to forecast figures for a bank. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
Lois's orderly and professional approach | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
to this somewhat unconventional business | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
looks to have captivated Deborah Meaden. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I'm fascinated. How did you meet? | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
LOIS: In the circus in Mexico. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
I took a dance contract and saw him fly round about here | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
and land in the net right above me. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
And yeah, I thought, "Mmmm!" LOIS LAUGHS | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
-"He looks like a nice guy." -A package delivered from heaven! | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
-Oh, well, yeah! -It's quite an act, isn't it? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
-I mean, it would get your attention, wouldn't it? -Yes, definitely. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
Guys, hi. I'm Peter. What is inside? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Is it like a hydraulic spring that launches you out of there? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
Or is it air compression? | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
It's human cannonball code. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
I can't tell you. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
Oh, really? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:07 | |
< Unfortunately not. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
If I invested the money, would I get to know? | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Hmm... Yes. Yes. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
Get in it, Peter! Go on! You know you want to. Headfirst. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
-It'd be a bit dirty. -Is it dirty? | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
Not much, no. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
Can I show you? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
Yeah. Please. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
A teasing answer, and the duo's easy charm is going down well. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
-OK, so it literally is as easy as that? You reverse into it? -Yeah! | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
Enchanted the Dragons may be, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
but will the demonstration be enough to tempt them to invest? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
-Can you hear me? -Yes! Three, two, one. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:51 | 0:37:52 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
-Oh, dear! -I'm glad you didn't go in there, Peter. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Now is clean! | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
-What's the furthest you've ever flown? -35 metres. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
-You have done 35 metres? -Yes. -What's the world record? | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
62. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
61, 62 metres. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
So you're halfway to a world record. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Right. Rodrigo, obviously hugely talented. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
This is not an investable business. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
It's a vocation, it's a passion. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
But is a magic inside. My art is a magic. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
It is magic, and I wish you the best for the magic. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
But it's not for me, so I'm afraid I'm out. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
The mood quickly changes as Theo Paphitis | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
brings the Den back to business reality. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
And it looks like Deborah Meaden is ready to have her say, too. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
Let me tell you where I am. I think it's completely unscaleable. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
And it's obviously unscaleable, because it's you, it's your skill, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
it's what you do, and I'm sure human cannons don't grow on trees, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
which is great for you as individuals, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
but for me as an investor it's never going to be huge. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
Good luck, but I'm out. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
Lois, Rodrigo, I could see you being booked for 2,700 for an event. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:23 | |
But as a business, it's not something for me, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
-so I'm going to say I'm out. -Thank you. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
Yes, it's not a normal type of investment. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
I am tempted, but, erm... | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
-No. Sorry. I'm out. But the best of luck. -Thank you. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:42 | |
Three Dragons out in quick succession. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
Now all that remains is for Hilary Devey to show her hand. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
I don't think I could live with myself if anything happened to you. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
Every time you do it, I'd be on the phone to Lois. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
"Is he all right? Is he all right?" You know? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
And I just don't think I could sleep at night. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
So unfortunately, I've got to say I'm out. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Thank you. OK. Thank you. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:14 | |
-Good luck. -Thank you. -And stay safe! | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
I will. Thank you. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
A disappointing end for Rodrigo and Lois. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
They leave with the Dragons' good wishes but not their cash. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Other entrepreneurs who tried and failed in the Den | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
included Somerset-based bricklayer foreman Paul Watts. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
He wanted £50,000 for his invention | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
aimed at reducing harmful dust at building sites. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
Paul was on the receiving end of some tough cross-examination | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
from the Dragons. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:00 | |
What makes you think that if I invested £50,000, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
I would get a return? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
My product is a preferred item. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
It's not a preferred item, because you've sold 250 of them. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
That's it. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:15 | |
What's the total size of your market? | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
My research for firms was 180,000. I would imagine they would have one each. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
So if you hit 1% of that marketplace, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
1,800 units of your product sold, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
an average margin of about £5. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
-It wouldn't be that good, would it? -Right. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Hilary Devey quickly did her sums and came to a startling conclusion. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
Because it would take me 25 years to recoup my investment, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
I've got to say I'm out. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
Good product, but a great product doesn't make a business, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
-and that's the reason why I'm out. -OK, thank you very much. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
Former singer Nola Baldwin asked the Dragons for a £75,000 investment | 0:41:54 | 0:42:00 | |
in her kitchenware brand. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
A Gloven is a flexible oven glove. It protects you up to 250 degrees. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
One of my strap lines is "I'm really love'n my Gloven," | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
and I hope that you will love the Gloven too. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
It certainly wasn't love at first sight for Duncan Bannatyne. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
How did you come up with the name Gloven? | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
-"Oven glove." -Just a minute, just a minute. -Oven... | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
But it's not a cross between a glove and an oven. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
See, I was in the supermarket the other day, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
and I bought some takeaway food. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
-I used a spork, which is a cross between a spoon and a fork. -Yes, I've seen those. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:35 | |
When you have a cross, you join the name. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
But yours is two separate things. It's not a cross between them. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
-What are you on about, Duncan? -LAUGHTER | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
-I think it's silly. -OK. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
I completely disagree with Duncan. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
The ONLY thing that I like about this is the name. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
A lot of people think that when they've come up with a good name, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
that that's enough, and it isn't. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
In the end, it was Hilary Devey who had the final word. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
It's not going to make you a lot of profit, love. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
For that reason, I'm out. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
Next to face the Dragons is Chris Hopkins, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
whose company has capitalised on government support for solar power. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
Will the former bodybuilder from West Yorkshire | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
get a good reception in the Den? | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
Hello, Dragons. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
My name's Chris Hopkins, managing director of Ploughcroft. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
I'm here today to ask for £120,000 | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
for 10% in my business. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
You've heard that money doesn't grow on trees, which is true, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
but I'm here to show you that money CAN grow on rooftops | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
around the UK on domestic homes | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
thanks to Feed-In Tariff. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
The Feed-In Tariff works like this. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
Ploughcroft would install these solar panels on a domestic home's roof. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
The daylight comes out of the sky, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
it's absorbed by the panels, turned into electricity... | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
goes through the house to the energy-generating company. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
The energy-generating company then pays that homeowner the tariff. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
A system that Ploughcroft installs we sell to the homeowner | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
at between £12,000 to £14,000. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
That domestic-home owner will get £1,600 estimated per year | 0:44:47 | 0:44:53 | |
guaranteed for 25 years, and it's tax-free. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
So why is a Ploughcroft proposition such an investment? | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
First of all, we've already done 5,000 of these installs across the UK. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
I think this is a fantastic opportunity | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
to invest in a company which has innovated in green energy | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
and is recognised as leading the solar-roofing revolution. Thank you. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
A topical pitch by the perky roofer from Halifax. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
In business, timing is everything, and Chris believes | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
a cash injection of £120,000 in exchange for 10% equity | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
will turn his solar-panel company into a national brand. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
But it looks like Deborah Meaden has something on her mind. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
-Hello, I'm Deborah. -Hi, Deborah. -Just so you know, I've got that installation, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
and I've got a company that supplies these. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
-I probably need to declare that. -OK. -It doesn't count me out. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
It could be interesting to find a partner working elsewhere. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
-OK. -And it's actually quite simple. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:58 | |
If you've got any money sitting in a bank earning tuppence, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
take it out of the bank, put 16 panels on your roof | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
and you will earn 10%, tax-free. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Correct. Exactly correct. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:07 | |
So have you got the relationships already with the panel suppliers? | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
An exclusive contract with Plumb Centre in their 500 branches across the UK, | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
so anybody who buys solar panels from them, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
we will install it for a fixed price. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
How big is the territory you're working in at the moment? | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
For homeowners, Yorkshire and Lancashire. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
But I need to ramp it up and get six more branches - one in Exeter, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
one in Southampton, Guildford, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:30 | |
Lichfield... Might be seven, actually. ..Cardiff and Milton Keynes. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
Next week I'm in DEC to see the energy minister, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
to discuss feed-in tariffs and the Green Deal. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
-Sorry, I'm getting carried away, but I'm so excited. -Passion's fine. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
My influence will be phenomenal in the next 12 months. I just need help to get there. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
An encouraging start for Chris | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
as Deborah Meaden immediately validates his pitch. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
Duncan Bannatyne is eager to delve deep into the company finances. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:03 | |
-Chris? -Yes? -Let's talk about your last three years' accounts. -OK. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
Right, 2007/2008, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
1.9 million turnover with 200,000 profit. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:17 | |
Next year was the year that we hit the recession. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
We turned over 1.2 million | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
and we lost £200,000. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
The following year was the year that Feed-In Tariff was brought in, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
so we did 2.6 million turnover | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
-with £175,000 profit. -What's the projection for the year you're in now? | 0:47:30 | 0:47:36 | |
-Five million turnover, with... -Big jump. -Yes, it is. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
The renewable energy market is growing at 1,000% this year. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
-Profit? -Profit September this year 600,000. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
Now, you're going to make £600,000 profit, which is a really good profit. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
Why do you need £120,000 of my money? | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
Borrow it from the bank, the bank aren't going to give me any help, any help me with marketing. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
I've run this business 14 years | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
and I've never experienced growth at this rate. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
This market is booming. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
The next year's projections after this year is 9.3 million. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
But I need to get Ploughcroft to be a national brand. I need your help. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
OK. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
Assuming those figures are correct, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
you've no doubt you're going to make £600,000 profit. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
I'll offer you all the money, £120,000, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
but I want 30% of the equity. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
OK? | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
30%, it's too much. So would you come down to 20% and meet me halfway? | 0:48:32 | 0:48:38 | |
-Will you guarantee you'll make 600,000 this year? -Yes. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
I'll raise my offer to 25%. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
-20%. -Chris, is Duncan your only Dragon you're interested in? | 0:48:48 | 0:48:53 | |
-Sorry, no! -You've got four Dragons here. -Absolutely crazy! | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
-You came in here to talk to five investors. -Sorry, OK. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:04 | |
I'll open the floor up to the next person that wants to speak to me. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
The Dragons are in uproar as Duncan Bannatyne's instantaneous offer | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
causes confusion in the Den. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
The experienced entrepreneur looks ruffled, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
but it's Deborah Meaden who brings proceedings back to order. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Chris, this is going to happen, without a doubt. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
We are well behind the rest of the world, | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
-including countries that don't get as much sun as we do. -Correct. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
And actually, what I'm encouraged by with you | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
is that you're at the heart of it. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
You're talking to the Government about the scheme. I love that, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
-because that tells me that you are on the ethical side of doing this. -Correct. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
Erm... | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
..I am going to make you an offer. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
OK. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
-All of the money... -Right. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
..and I want... | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
25% of the business. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
OK. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
Thank you. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
Deborah Meaden goes head-to-head with Duncan Bannatyne, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
but both are demanding more than double the equity Chris is offering. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
Will Theo Paphitis now choose to enter the fray? | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
-I like the business. -Right. -And I think I'd enjoy working with you. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:35 | |
-OK. -So, erm, I'm going to make you an offer. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
For me, it's important that any stake I have is meaningful, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
so my offer is the full money... | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
-Yes. -..for 25% as well. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
Right. OK. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
Thank you. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
Chris? | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
-Yes? -First of all, I'd like to know | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
what you want from the Dragon. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
-OK. -Then I want to tell you what I can give you. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
Marketing expertise is what I need. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
Fine. Can give you that. Move on. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
-OK. Help with strategy, because this business... -Fine. Move on. Next. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
Move on. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:15 | |
How much time could you give me if you made an offer? | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
One day a month, or one day a week, or...? | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
You would need more than that initially. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
I think you need extensive PR, extensive marketing campaigns. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
It is going to be a very changeable business model. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
OK. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
So I will give you the full amount, 120,000,... | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
..but I would want 26% of your business. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
Right. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
But I would put a team into you. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
-So you're giving me a team that would work at our head office? -Yeah. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
Chris, I need to be clear. I won't be putting a team in with you. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
-If that's what you want, I don't want you to choose me. -Chris? | 0:51:51 | 0:51:57 | |
What I think, what I will offer, is an in-depth knowledge of this market | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
and the ability to market and get you out there as quickly as possible. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
-It's a market that is in a critical bit. -That's really the thing I think you need. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
If you're going to compare offers, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
-I just want to be absolutely honest with you. -That's great. -Chris? | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
What I would say is with the right team, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
we can make it the market leader. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
An astute Hilary Devey tries to outmanoeuvre her rivals | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
by offering additional business support | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
in exchange for a small percentage hike. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
Chris has four offers on the table. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
Will Peter Jones make it a clean sweep? | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
I'm just sitting here trying to work out | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
whether your business model is an opportunity. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
How many homes have got disposable income to spend on this? | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
I can't give you the exact answer to that, | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
-but I can tell you what I've done in Yorkshire. -You could get those stats. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
-Sorry? -Your business model, it's vital | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
-that you know that information. -OK. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
I know... OK. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
Because I think you're going to be really shocked to see | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
how many people can afford to use savings to do this. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:16 | |
-OK. OK. -It's not an investment for me, so I'm out. -Thank you. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:21 | |
If... OK. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
We will... | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
I'm not familiar with what to do at this point. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
So... | 0:53:35 | 0:53:36 | |
Chris? | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
-Yes? -I'm going to make you an offer now | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
that I think is the offer... | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
..that is best for you. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
The best is to accept an offer... | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
from two Dragons. OK? But I've no interest in Deborah coming in, OK? | 0:53:49 | 0:53:56 | |
I've no interest in sharing it with Theo, either. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
So my offer, really, is an offer from me and Hilary joint, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
if Hilary were to come in. OK? | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
So what I'm going to offer you is half the money | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
for 11%. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
And we'd have to get Hilary to come in for 11% as well. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:16 | |
I'm perfectly happy to work with Duncan, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
and I think between the two of us | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
we would serve you very well | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
-and serve the business well, more importantly. -OK. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
Thank you, Duncan. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:31 | |
In a shrewd move, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
a canny Duncan Bannatyne gives Chris another option. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
Will working with two Dragons and parting with a lower equity stake | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
be enough to seal a deal? | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
Right, OK. Take control again. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
So would you two consider making an offer together, combined? | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
-Yeah. -I don't know what your percentage will be. I'd better let you talk. -For me, it would stay. | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
-12.5% each? -Correct. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Right, OK. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
Would you come down collectively so it was 22.5%, so it's 11... | 0:55:19 | 0:55:25 | |
Chris, I just want to say, I've made you three offers, right? | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
And I'm now deeply insulted that you've refused two of my offers | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
-and you're using my offer to get a better offer. -It's an important decision! | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
And so for that reason, Chris, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
I'm withdrawing my offer and I'm out. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
Well, it's an important decision, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
so I think you should take your time considering it. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
As long as you like. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
The pressure on Chris rises | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
as Duncan Bannatyne crashes out of the deal. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Will Hilary Devey now choose to stand by her offer, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
or does she too feel aliened by Chris's behaviour? | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
Sorry, Hilary, I come back to you. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
I'm still in. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
-I see this as a growing business. -Right. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
And I will give you everything that you require | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
to make it a home-brand name | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
and to make it the market leader. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
So... | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
I'd like to accept Deborah and Theo's offer. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
Well, that's easily done! | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
-Thank you. -Thank God for that! Well done! -Chris has done it. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
It was a particularly intense negotiation, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
but he's secured the £120,000 he needed | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
and two well-connected multimillionaire investors. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
Chris, well done! | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Quite a lot of tension between the Dragons, though, over those offers. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
Could you sense the two camps and the rivalry and tension? | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
They all made individual offers, and then they joined two and two, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
and it was, like, "Oh, which one here? | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
-"Which one do I pick?" -It was confusing for you trying to work out | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 | |
-which configurations and combinations were going to work best. -Yes. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
Yeah, but she made a good offer, did Hilary. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
She offered extra resources and putting staff in behind me. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
I didn't really need that, because I'm running the company fine. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:41 | |
What I need is their strategy more than anything, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
and it was that that persuaded me to choose Theo and Deborah. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
The end of the first day back in the Den, | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
and what a dramatic end it's been. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
The Dragons have wasted no time spotting opportunities | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
and fighting over them. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:05 | |
Chris Hopkins saw two tribes of multimillionaires | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
go to war with each other, | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
and he was lucky enough to be able to choose his partners. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
If you'd like to find out more | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
about why Chris chose Deborah Meaden and Theo Paphitis as investors, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
press the red button now, | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
where you'll also find out more about our new Dragon, Hilary Devey. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:26 | |
Goodbye. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 | |
I don't think it's investable. Frankly, I don't think YOU'RE investable. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:35 | |
-It's taken you 14 years to send an e-mail. -No. I disagree. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:40 | |
I disagree. It has, yeah, technically. | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
# I said a hip, hop, di-hibbit Di-hibbit, hip-hop, you don't... # | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
I'm a bit lost for words now. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:48 | |
I ask you the questions, you haven't got the answers, | 0:58:48 | 0:58:51 | |
-and now you're getting EXTREMELY defensive. -Well... | 0:58:51 | 0:58:53 | |
You should know. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:55 | |
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