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-Right, coats on.

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-Come on, we're going.

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-Are we ready?

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-Yes?

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-At care centres across Wales...

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-..an innovative experiment

-is about to take place.

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-They're out there.

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-They're out there.

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-Hello, hello, hello.

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-For the first time...

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-..these pensioners will share their

-day care with a group of children.

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-Lovely. That's made my day.

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-Psychologists from Bangor University

-believe the experiment can prove...

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-..that shared care for young and old

-benefits everyone.

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-Loneliness can increase

-as people get older.

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-But they have so much to offer.

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-Up to age four

-is a key period for children.

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-What we want to know...

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-..is what effect

-spending time with older people...

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-..will have on their development.

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-Three day centres

-are part of the experiment.

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-Over three days, our hidden cameras

-and the psychologists will watch.

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-But will sharing the care

-of children and OAPs...

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-..be as easy as one two three?

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-This is

-the Hen Blant Bach experiment.

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-In Blaenau Ffestiniog,

-the old secondary school...

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-..has been turned

-into a centre for the elderly.

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-From Monday to Friday each week...

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-..ten pensioners come here

-to fill their time.

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-We're there now.

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-We're back where we started.

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-Some of them

-came here as schoolchildren.

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-They now come back to exactly

-the same room as pensioners.

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-You don't hear children

-laughing there now.

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-My legs are cold.

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-I wish I'd worn trousers.

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-One of the former pupils is Stella.

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-Mr Kirkman the science man

-was in the room over there.

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-Mr Williams Wood was here,

-in the small class.

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-Although they live independently

-at home, several of them have needs.

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-I don't understand

-why we don't get a cuppa.

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-During the day, they need help

-from the likes of Chico.

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-I treat them

-as I'd treat my own mother.

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-That's the only drawback of the job.

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-You get too attached to them.

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-At 82,

-Beti is among the oldest here.

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-The youngest is Alan, who's 62.

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-Despite being much younger, Alan,

-like Beti, lives with dementia.

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-Pinkies today.

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-Oh, pinkies today!

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-Everyone of all ages likes pinkies!

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-We're like one big family.

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-I don't feel as if I'm getting up

-to go to work.

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-Does anyone know

-the weekend's bonus ball?

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-The lottery numbers may change...

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-..but these people's lives

-have a weekly pattern.

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-Alan wins this week. Well done.

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-Alan wins this week. Well done.

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-Thank you.

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-Al thinks he comes here to work.

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-He doesn't understand

-that he's one of the clients.

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-Stella thinks

-she's on the staff as well.

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-She likes to lay the tables.

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-If anyone else did it,

-Stella wouldn't like it.

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-That's her job.

-She likes doing it.

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-It's tiring work for Stella.

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-I hope I sleep tonight.

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-I'm knackered.

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-I've been up since half past five.

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-It's quiet in the room,

-but every morning after eleven...

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-..the noise of children

-cuts across the silence.

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-Down the corridor, parents pick up

-their children from the nursery.

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-For most of the OAPs...

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-..this is the only contact

-they now have with small children.

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-This area is a close-knit community.

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-But the children and old people

-never come into contact...

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-..despite being so close together.

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-For three days, that will change.

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-The elderly

-will share their day care...

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-..with six children from a nursery

-that's literally around the corner.

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-How old are you?

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-Three.

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-Three years old?

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-Three years old?

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-Yes.

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-How old is Taid?

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-Two.

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-What are old people?

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-What are old people?

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-They can eat you.

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-Children of this age,

-three and four...

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-..are beginning

-to understand the difference...

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-..between being older

-and being young.

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-We'll see during the week

-if that understanding improves...

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-..about what it means to get older.

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-Are you old?

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-No.

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-Are Mam and Dad old?

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-Just Dad.

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-They're not children now.

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-They're not children now.

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-No, they've grown.

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-Yes, they have grown.

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-Yes, they have grown.

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-Yes.

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-Are you going to get old?

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-Are you going to get old?

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-No.

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-Ioan Esteban isn't used

-to being with old people.

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-He only sees his grandparents

-once a year...

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-..because they live in Ecuador.

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-My parents are here from Ecuador

-for three months.

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-My kids call them Abuelito and

-Abuelita, meaning Nain and Taid.

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-Family is everything in Ecuador.

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-No-one there would dream

-of sending Nain or Taid...

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-..into a home

-or elderly care centre.

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-The way they do things in Ecuador

-is different to here.

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-Old people, instead of being

-put into a home or suchlike...

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-..the rest of the family

-look after them.

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-They move in with them.

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-Back in South America,

-it's about families and caring.

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-We're all close, we always

-stick together, no matter what.

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-It's a five-minute walk

-from the nursery to the centre.

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-This will be their nursery

-for the next three days.

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-On Day One, the two generations

-meet for the first time.

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-The psychologists want to see...

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-..how much communication there'll be

-between the children and the OAPs.

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-The room may be full of strangers,

-but that isn't stopping Idris.

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-Hello. Who's here now?

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-Idris Jones.

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-Idris Jones.

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-Idris Jones.

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-Is it?

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-Oh, well done, Idris.

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-Are you coming tomorrow?

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-Are you coming tomorrow?

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-Idris has turned to Kitty.

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-But he hasn't noticed

-that Kitty can't see.

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-Are you eating with us?

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-Are you eating with us?

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-Mm.

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-Are you excited?

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-In the light...

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-..I could see the shape of a child

-getting closer to me.

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-Coming closer, between me

-and the light from the window.

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-You're looking forward to it.

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-You're looking forward to it.

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-Yes.

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-You're a pretty girl, aren't you?

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-You're a pretty girl, aren't you?

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-Yes.

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-You're lovely.

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-You are lovely.

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-Idris doesn't seem too worried

-that Kitty thinks he's a girl.

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-He's the only one

-who has spoken to the pensioners.

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-Even though she's a mother of four,

-Beti seems to ignore the children.

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-She's reminiscing with Evelyn,

-about some unpleasant matters.

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-She was a right old bitch,

-and I told her too.

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-Making fun of people.

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-I told her

-she was making fun of her.

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-If I'd wanted to,

-I'd have vomited all over you.

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-Beti talks a lot about the past.

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-I know she's been diagnosed

-with dementia.

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-The past is more alive

-to her at the moment.

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-Beti isn't the only one

-not talking to the children.

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-They're two separate groups,

-but the psychologists have an idea.

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-In order

-to bridge the generations...

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-..we hope that bubble toys

-will encourage them to play...

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-..with their new friends.

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-But is a shower of bubbles enough

-to bring children and OAPs together?

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-For three days, elderly people and

-children in Blaenau Ffestiniog...

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-..are taking part

-in an innovative experiment.

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-You're a pretty girl, aren't you?

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-Psychologists believe

-that there are advantages...

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-..for young and old

-to spend time together.

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-To prove this, they have devised

-activities for the two generations.

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-The first activity

-will bring fun into the room.

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-We'll see

-if that helps with communication.

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-Fun without speaking.

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-The children have a magic button.

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-If one of the adults presses it,

-it will rain bubbles in Blaenau.

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-Maddy Louise has chosen Alan

-as the best bringer of bubbles.

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-Press it.

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-But will the elderly

-welcome the bubbles?

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-Blinking bubbles.

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-In my face all the time.

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-I was soaked.

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-Most of them came towards me.

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-At least Evelyn, like the children,

-seems to be having fun.

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-It's a change,

-because it's just us here every day.

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-I enjoyed it.

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-The children aren't as shy by now.

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-Ioan Esteban

-wants a chat with Auntie Kitty.

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-That's a nice name.

-How old are you?

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-I'm four.

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-You're four?

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-You're a big boy.

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-You've come to see old people today.

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-Do you like coming to us?

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-Do you like coming to us?

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-Yes.

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-Well done.

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-Well done.

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-After the last bubble pops,

-it's lunchtime.

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-Lunch is ready.

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-Lunch is ready.

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-Is it?

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-Kitty can't see, and needs Evelyn

-to act as her eyes.

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-Is there anyone here?

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-Is there anyone here?

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-Yes, Maddy.

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-Is your name Maddy?

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-Are you hungry?

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-Yes, me too.

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-We're going to eat a lot now.

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-The elderly people have a hot lunch

-and pudding every day.

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-Today,

-they have fish and potatoes...

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-..with fish fingers and chips

-for the children.

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-The psychologists

-hope for some conversation too.

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-We're still here.

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-We're still here.

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-Still here, yes.

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-Dafydd Iwan.

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-He must be getting on now.

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-He must be 70.

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-His voice his holding up well.

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-His voice his holding up well.

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-Yes, he's got a good voice.

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-There is a conversation,

-but it's between Kitty and Evelyn...

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-..and about things

-unfamiliar to the children.

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-After lunch, the psychologists

-make another attempt...

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-..to bridge the two worlds.

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-To unite the adults

-with the children...

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-..we've brought some old toys

-to the centre.

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-The clothes and toys are from

-the time of the Second World War.

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-The pensioners were then at school

-in this very building.

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-Ioan Esteban is focusing

-on the old abacus.

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-He counts in Spanish.

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-He counts in Spanish.

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-Un, dos, tres, cuatro.

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-He starts primary school soon...

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-..and for Kitty, it brings memories

-of missed opportunities.

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-What a good boy.

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-I was at school until I was twelve.

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-After that, I had to stay at home.

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-My brother was born.

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-I was like a mother to him.

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-By today, I miss school terribly...

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-..thinking what I've missed out on,

-but never mind.

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-Across the room, Maddy Louise

-has asked for help from Beti.

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-We'll put it like that.

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-Put it to one side.

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-After Maddy Louise goes,

-Beti's mood changes.

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-I put it on one side.

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-"No!"

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-Beti lives with dementia.

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-It takes her back to a difficult

-period when she was young.

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-She didn't mess around.

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-You should have heard her language.

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-I told her...

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-.."If you want to be Jesus Christ's

-little girl, stop that language."

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-I gave her a clip.

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-Beti's mood has changed.

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-Linda, one of the carers,

-comes to sit with her.

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-Evelyn doesn't seem too bothered.

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-Bet? Bet's alright, isn't she?

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-Take Bet as she is, and she's OK.

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-It's a shame, what she's got.

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-No, she's fine.

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-Dementia worsens over time, and

-it can vary with each individual.

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-But what we see at the day centre...

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-..is that the individuals

-with dementia...

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-..receive sensitive support

-from both residents and staff...

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-..to encourage them to continue

-partaking in activities...

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-..and be part of the group.

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-To maintain the school theme...

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-..an old school bell has been placed

-in the middle of the room.

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-Who'll ring the bell first?

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-BELL RINGS

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-Leave it, now.

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-Now!

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-It's a got a nice ring.

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-Once again, Beti gets angry.

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-It's the dementia

-that makes her react in this way.

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-She'd never knowingly

-make the children feel bad.

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-Give it to the other little boy.

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-Dementia can affect

-different parts of the brain.

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-If it affects the frontal area,

-it makes people react instinctively.

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-# Here comes Mother

-over the white stile #

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-Maddy Louise hasn't noticed

-that Beti is angry.

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-She carries on singing.

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-# Jim Crow Crusty #

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-# The cow in the cowshed

-is lowing for her calf

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-# And the calf is on the other side

-playing Jim Crow

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-# Jim Crow Crusty, one, two and four

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-# And the piglet is sitting

-so prettily on the stool #

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-The singing has brought back

-a painful memory for Beti.

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-One of her children

-died as an infant.

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-She sang it just like

-the little girl who's gone.

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-The voice was the same.

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-My little girl died.

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-That's why I was crying.

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-My little girl had started

-to learn to sing that song.

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-Dacw Mam Yn Dwad.

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-After being in the cemetery,

-we came home.

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-I went upstairs and held her things,

-dolls and so on.

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-I broke down.

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-Anwen.

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-Her name was Anwen.

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-She didn't live long.

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-I kept asking God

-why he had to be so cruel.

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-People's lives are going to be

-a mix of happy and sad memories.

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-This has taken her back to what was

-clearly a painful time for her.

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-But this is natural.

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-Maybe spending more time

-with the children...

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-..will bring back happy memories

-of motherhood as well.

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-Do you want to come here?

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-Do you want to come here with me?

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-Oh, Gruff!

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-Oh, Gruff!

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-Here we are, fair play.

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-Come on then.

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-Gruff has gone over to Beti.

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-He's the first to sit with her.

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-Beti reacts totally differently.

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-You're a big boy, aren't you?

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-This is nice to see.

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-She's in a comfortable place.

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-In a one-to-one situation.

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-Let's draw.

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-Masterpieces!

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-There we are.

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-What's your name?

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-Gruff.

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-What's your name?

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-Beti. What's your name?

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-Beti. What's your name?

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-Gruff.

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-What have you done to my page?!

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-Look at this!

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-That's a nice smile from Bet.

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-He scrawled all over it.

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-Oh, that's nice.

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-We all know

-that dementia worsens over time.

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-But we saw from this experience...

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-..how important it is

-for Beti and others...

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-..to have happier periods.

0:20:300:20:32

-There is life

-after a diagnosis of dementia.

0:20:320:20:35

-Beti has proved the importance

-of having a happy period.

0:20:350:20:40

-The first day is over,

-and the children head for home.

0:20:450:20:50

-The adults have had a great time.

0:20:500:20:52

-Kitty, especially,

-was in her element.

0:20:520:20:55

-Only one thing

-caused a hint of sadness.

0:20:560:20:59

-They were such pleasant children.

0:20:590:21:01

-I enjoyed it.

0:21:020:21:03

-It's a pity I couldn't see them.

-but there we are.

0:21:040:21:07

-On Day Two, the psychologists

-want the children...

0:21:070:21:11

-..and their new old friends

-to work together more closely...

0:21:110:21:15

-..to get to know each other

-even better.

0:21:160:21:19

-.

0:21:190:21:20

-Subtitles

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-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

0:21:240:21:26

-For three days, some elderly people

-from Blaenau Ffestiniog...

0:21:300:21:34

-..are sharing their day care

-with six small children.

0:21:350:21:38

-Today is Day Two of the experiment.

0:21:390:21:41

-Carers Chico and Catrin

-pick everyone up from their homes...

0:21:410:21:45

-..to take them to the centre.

0:21:450:21:47

-Hello!

0:21:490:21:50

-Good morning, Auntie Bet!

0:21:510:21:52

-Good morning, Auntie Bet!

-

-Good morning, love.

0:21:520:21:54

-Take care not to trip.

0:21:540:21:56

-But Al, who has Alzheimer's,

-is missing.

0:21:570:22:01

-We'll go and look for him.

0:22:010:22:03

-He lives up here.

0:22:030:22:04

-He has trouble with time.

0:22:060:22:08

-He's out walking

-at six in the morning.

0:22:090:22:12

-Al is the same age as Chico.

0:22:140:22:16

-They're both 62

-and were at school together.

0:22:160:22:19

-He went for a walk up there.

0:22:200:22:22

-Despite his young age...

0:22:220:22:24

-..Alan was diagnosed

-with Alzheimer's three years ago.

0:22:240:22:28

-They were at school together,

-and it is sad...

0:22:280:22:32

-..how he's deteriorating.

0:22:330:22:35

-It is sad,

-walking the streets by himself.

0:22:350:22:38

-The children were funny,

-weren't they?

0:22:380:22:42

-They came in, one big gang.

0:22:430:22:45

-There are over a hundred

-different types of dementia.

0:22:450:22:49

-We hear most about Alzheimer's,

-and that is the most common.

0:22:490:22:55

-It's hard to live in the community

-without extra support.

0:22:550:23:00

-We saw this today with Alan.

0:23:000:23:02

-This is Day Two of the experiment.

0:23:040:23:07

-Wil joins the gang.

0:23:080:23:10

-The staff have found

-an old wartime photo of him.

0:23:120:23:16

-Who's a hunk?!

0:23:160:23:18

-Good God.

0:23:180:23:19

-Good God.

-

-Are you sure that's you?!

0:23:190:23:21

-How old were you there?

0:23:210:23:23

-Nineteen or twenty.

0:23:240:23:25

-You were handsome.

0:23:280:23:29

-His hair is dark,

-he's thin and he's a hunk.

0:23:310:23:34

-He's a hunk?

0:23:340:23:35

-I'll give him a kiss.

0:23:380:23:40

-I never thought I'd get old.

0:23:450:23:49

-I'm still young in my mind.

0:23:490:23:51

-I'm not old.

0:23:520:23:54

-The time when I was young,

-that's where I'd go back.

0:23:550:24:00

-To how I was when I was young,

-even before I joined the army.

0:24:000:24:04

-Things changed

-after I joined the army.

0:24:050:24:08

-You saw things

-you never thought you'd see.

0:24:090:24:13

-The war has left its mark on Wil.

0:24:140:24:17

-Having witnessed the horrors of war,

-he came back to Blaenau...

0:24:170:24:22

-..to raise a family

-and live a simple life.

0:24:220:24:25

-The children were good yesterday.

0:24:250:24:27

-Are they coming this morning?

0:24:270:24:29

-Yes, and on Thursday.

0:24:300:24:32

-They were really good.

0:24:320:24:34

-Today and Thursday?

0:24:350:24:37

-Oh, my God.

0:24:370:24:39

-It's too late now, Stella!

0:24:400:24:41

-The children are here to spend a day

-with their older friends.

0:24:420:24:46

-Any worries about Stella vanished

-when Maddy Louise approached her.

0:24:540:24:59

-It's a big day

-for one of the children.

0:25:010:25:04

-It's Gruff's birthday.

0:25:050:25:06

-After he blows out the candles...

0:25:150:25:18

-..Stella goes to her bag

-to keep another tradition.

0:25:180:25:22

-What will Stella do

-after fetching her purse?

0:25:230:25:26

-Giving birthday money.

0:25:260:25:27

-Everyone's going into their purses.

0:25:370:25:40

-Gruff, it was worth coming!

0:25:430:25:44

-Gruff, it was worth coming!

-

-He's done well today.

0:25:440:25:46

-As Day Two began, it was nice

-to see the children...

0:25:470:25:50

-..going to the older people

-immediately.

0:25:500:25:53

-Gruff makes a beeline

-for the new face.

0:25:540:25:57

-Wil has grabbed his attention.

0:25:570:25:59

-You've got a window

-on the side too.

0:26:000:26:04

-Why?

0:26:040:26:05

-So that I can see.

0:26:050:26:07

-Can you see there too?

0:26:070:26:08

-Yes, at the side.

0:26:090:26:10

-At the side.

0:26:120:26:13

-I can't see otherwise.

0:26:140:26:16

-I can't see otherwise.

-

-No?

0:26:160:26:17

-Do you want to feel my hair?

0:26:180:26:20

-Oh, well, how nice.

0:26:220:26:25

-Offering her hair

-for Kitty to touch...

0:26:270:26:30

-..shows that Maddy Louise seems

-to remember that Kitty is blind.

0:26:300:26:35

-Maddy's the only one who has

-realized that Kitty can't see.

0:26:380:26:42

-It's very sensitive of her

-to offer her hair.

0:26:430:26:46

-And mature as well.

0:26:460:26:48

-Have you got one on the other side?

0:26:480:26:50

-Yes, on both sides.

0:26:500:26:52

-On both sides,

-this side and that side.

0:26:540:26:58

-You haven't seen one

-like that before.

0:27:020:27:05

-No, I didn't think so.

0:27:050:27:06

-You have to wear it, don't you?

0:27:080:27:10

-You have to wear it, don't you?

-

-Yes, I do.

0:27:100:27:11

-To see.

0:27:120:27:13

-The psychologists want the children

-to see the pensioners' strengths...

0:27:160:27:21

-..and that they can have fun

-whatever their disabilities.

0:27:220:27:26

-The day centre group

-are used to aerobics sessions.

0:27:290:27:33

-This is their chance to lead.

0:27:330:27:35

-Al starts, and Maddy Louise helps.

0:27:350:27:38

-It was great to see them,

-and doing better than us too.

0:27:510:27:56

-They're more supple.

0:27:570:27:58

-Could the old people stand to do it?

0:28:010:28:03

-No.

0:28:030:28:05

-Why?

0:28:050:28:06

-Because they're old.

0:28:060:28:08

-What happens when you get old?

0:28:080:28:11

-What happens when you get old?

-

-They can fall.

0:28:110:28:13

-Al likes to do exercises

-in the morning.

0:28:170:28:20

-He usually stands to help me.

0:28:200:28:23

-He sometimes has no clue

-what to do with them.

0:28:230:28:26

-He's not that used to children.

0:28:260:28:29

-But I think Al

-has done great with the children.

0:28:290:28:33

-Well done.

0:28:340:28:35

-Wicked, those children.

0:28:370:28:40

-The next activity is another

-of the old folk's favourites.

0:28:400:28:44

-It's another chance

-to show the children their skills.

0:28:450:28:48

-The psychologists' target

-is to encourage teamwork.

0:29:040:29:09

-Working in pairs,

-and letting the old people lead.

0:29:090:29:12

-But Maddy Louise

-has a plan of her own.

0:29:230:29:26

-Maddy's going closer!

0:29:290:29:30

-Despite being blind,

-Kitty often plays this game.

0:29:360:29:40

-Her partner today is Ioan Esteban.

0:29:400:29:43

-Ioan, do you realize

-she can't see? Can you help her?

0:29:460:29:52

-Almost, Kit.

0:29:520:29:52

-Almost, Kit.

-

-Nothing?

0:29:520:29:53

-No, not that time.

0:29:540:29:55

-Try again.

0:29:560:29:57

-Lower?

0:29:570:29:59

-Very good.

0:30:020:30:03

-Very good.

-

-Very good.

0:30:030:30:04

-High five.

0:30:050:30:06

-High five?

0:30:070:30:09

-Ooh, Ioan!

0:30:090:30:11

-She can't see, and she doesn't know

-what high five means.

0:30:120:30:16

-At the end of the game,

-everyone gets a medal.

0:30:160:30:19

-You've got one now.

0:30:210:30:23

-We're posh, aren't we?

0:30:250:30:28

-What does it say on it?

0:30:290:30:31

-What does it say on it?

0:30:310:30:33

-I can't see it.

0:30:330:30:34

-Children of this age think

-everyone can see, hear, move.

0:30:350:30:39

-They don't quite fathom

-that some people can't see at all.

0:30:390:30:43

-I can't see it.

0:30:430:30:44

-What?

0:30:450:30:46

-What?

-

-I can't see it.

0:30:460:30:48

-Does it say something?

0:30:500:30:51

-Does it say something?

-

-What does it say?

0:30:510:30:53

-I don't know.

0:30:530:30:56

-To help Ioan Esteban understand

-that Kitty is blind...

0:30:570:31:00

-..Catrin comes to explain.

0:31:010:31:03

-Kitty likes to feel you close,

-doesn't she?

0:31:040:31:07

-Auntie Kit can't see, you see.

0:31:100:31:12

-She can't see you.

0:31:120:31:13

-She can't see you.

-

-No, I can't see you, love.

0:31:130:31:15

-Why?

0:31:160:31:17

-My eyesight has finished.

0:31:170:31:19

-I can't see. My sight has finished.

0:31:200:31:22

-That's why she likes to

-feel you close.

0:31:240:31:27

-You're lovely, aren't you?

0:31:270:31:29

-He's tired of standing here.

0:31:290:31:31

-You should sit on the stool.

0:31:320:31:34

-He's gone to the other children.

0:31:360:31:37

-He's gone to the other children.

-

-Oh, has he? Oh.

0:31:370:31:40

-Since losing her husband,

-Kitty lives alone.

0:31:420:31:46

-The radio's here.

0:31:460:31:47

-I sit here.

0:31:480:31:50

-And the heater's here.

0:31:510:31:52

-My eyesight was poor

-even when I was at school.

0:31:580:32:01

-I sat at the front, near the board.

0:32:010:32:04

-My sight went gradually

-over the years.

0:32:060:32:10

-In the end,

-I saw the specialist in Bangor.

0:32:100:32:15

-He said I had macular degeneration

-and that nothing could be done.

0:32:160:32:21

-It does get me down quite a bit.

0:32:220:32:24

-You want to get on but you can't.

0:32:240:32:28

-But up to now,

-I've managed quite well.

0:32:280:32:32

-Cleaning and so on.

0:32:320:32:34

-I'll cook chops,

-lamb chops and potatoes.

0:32:350:32:40

-Carrots and swedes with it, say.

0:32:420:32:45

-It gets me down sometimes...

0:32:450:32:48

-..but I'm better off than many

-people, which is a comfort.

0:32:480:32:52

-Children this age think

-that everyone can see and hear.

0:32:540:32:59

-The aim of the next task...

0:32:590:33:02

-..is for the children to experience

-what happens when they can't see...

0:33:030:33:08

-..and have to rely

-on their other senses.

0:33:080:33:11

-You've got white hair.

0:33:120:33:14

-You've got white hair.

-

-Yes, I've got white hair.

0:33:140:33:16

-Why?

0:33:160:33:17

-Because I'm getting old.

0:33:170:33:20

-Because I'm getting old.

0:33:200:33:22

-The psychologists want Ioan Esteban

-and Kitty to play a game.

0:33:220:33:27

-Guessing foods without seeing them.

0:33:270:33:29

-Guessing foods without seeing them.

-

-I can't see a thing now.

0:33:290:33:31

-No. Where's your mouth?

0:33:310:33:34

-My mouth's out.

0:33:340:33:36

-Put this in your mouth.

0:33:380:33:40

-Is it in your mouth?

0:33:420:33:44

-A banana.

0:33:480:33:49

-I can't see anything.

0:33:520:33:53

-You can't see anything.

0:33:530:33:56

-That's how Auntie Kit is.

0:33:560:33:58

-I can't see anything.

0:33:580:34:00

-I can't see anything.

-

-Why?

0:34:000:34:01

-Because my eyesight has finished.

0:34:010:34:05

-My sight has finished

-because I'm old.

0:34:050:34:09

-You saw my white hair...

0:34:100:34:13

-Maybe Ioan Esteban

-is starting to see...

0:34:130:34:16

-..what getting old

-is like for Kitty.

0:34:160:34:19

-We've seen children experiencing...

0:34:210:34:24

-..being in the company

-of an older generation.

0:34:240:34:27

-That has widened

-their understanding...

0:34:280:34:33

-..of what being old means.

0:34:330:34:35

-What happens when people get old.

0:34:350:34:37

-It also makes them understand

-that getting old has its problems.

0:34:380:34:43

-Another day has ended,

-and the children head for home.

0:34:460:34:50

-Tomorrow, they'll be back

-with their new old friends.

0:34:510:34:55

-I love children.

0:35:010:35:04

-They come up to you

-and touch the back of your hand.

0:35:040:35:07

-Some want to give you a kiss.

0:35:070:35:10

-For the last day, the psychologists

-have organized a special party...

0:35:120:35:17

-..to celebrate the relationship

-between the children and the OAPs.

0:35:170:35:22

-You miss them when they leave.

0:35:230:35:26

-Seeing them go, you feel longing.

0:35:260:35:28

-Like your own children leaving

-when they got older.

0:35:280:35:32

-I'll go to bed early tonight!

0:35:320:35:34

-.

0:35:350:35:35

-*

0:35:410:35:41

-Over three days, pensioners

-from Blaenau Ffestiniog...

0:35:420:35:46

-..have shared their day centre

-with six small children.

0:35:460:35:50

-Two, three, six.

0:35:540:35:57

-It's been an eye-opener, the way

-they've responded to the children...

0:35:570:36:02

-..and hearing more from them...

0:36:040:36:07

-..about when their children,

-and they themselves, were young.

0:36:070:36:12

-The psychologists have found a photo

-from the time of WW2.

0:36:120:36:16

-They've asked Chico

-to show it to the pensioners.

0:36:160:36:19

-Do you see anyone familiar?

0:36:200:36:22

-I'm supposed to be here.

0:36:220:36:23

-I'm supposed to be here.

-

-Are you? Where are you?

0:36:230:36:26

-In 1945, a street party was held in

-Blaenau to mark the end of the war.

0:36:260:36:32

-There's my uncle.

0:36:330:36:34

-What's he called?

0:36:340:36:36

-Trevor. Trevor Davies.

0:36:360:36:37

-Trevor. Trevor Davies.

-

-Trevor? So you know him.

0:36:370:36:38

-Trevor Davies.

0:36:390:36:40

-Trevor Davies.

-

-Yes.

0:36:400:36:41

-That takes Beti back years.

0:36:410:36:43

-I should know her too. Glenys?

0:36:430:36:45

-Is that Glenys?

0:36:460:36:47

-Is that Glenys?

-

-Glenys, yes.

0:36:470:36:48

-The war had ended

-and the lads had been sent home.

0:36:490:36:53

-That's what the party was for.

0:36:530:36:55

-Reminiscing is psychologically

-positive for people as they age.

0:36:550:37:00

-On Day Three, both generations

-are being encouraged...

0:37:000:37:04

-..to go back to the time when

-the war ended at a special party.

0:37:040:37:08

-Kitty immediately calls Idris over.

0:37:110:37:14

-You're lovely, aren't you?

0:37:150:37:16

-You're lovely, aren't you?

-

-Yes.

0:37:160:37:17

-Beti wants Ioan Esteban's company.

0:37:190:37:22

-Distinct relationships have formed.

0:37:220:37:26

-Any party needs food...

0:37:260:37:29

-..so Kitty, Ioan Esteban,

-Stella and Gruff make jam tarts.

0:37:300:37:36

-Where are you? Who's with me?

0:37:370:37:40

-As Kitty can't see, she'll need Ioan

-Esteban's help to make the pastry.

0:37:400:37:46

-After two days in her company,

-the psychologists want to see...

0:37:520:37:56

-..if he has grasped

-that Kitty is blind.

0:37:560:37:59

-Have you got a fork?

0:37:590:38:01

-Have you got a fork?

-

-I know where my hand is.

0:38:010:38:03

-I've got two hands.

0:38:030:38:05

-Have you? There you are.

0:38:050:38:06

-Have you got two hands?

0:38:070:38:09

-He's starting to notice.

0:38:090:38:11

-What's this?

0:38:120:38:13

-Do you know why you can't see?

0:38:150:38:17

-You haven't got a memory.

0:38:180:38:20

-You've got no memory.

0:38:210:38:22

-You can't see

-because you haven't got a memory.

0:38:230:38:27

-He's trying to work out

-why she can't see.

0:38:280:38:30

-He thinks it's to do with losing

-the memory, which is interesting.

0:38:310:38:35

-He might not fully understand...

0:38:360:38:38

-..but realizing for the first time

-that Kitty is blind...

0:38:380:38:42

-..is a big step for Ioan Esteban.

0:38:430:38:45

-Gruff's eating the jam over here!

0:38:450:38:47

-Her time with the children

-has been very special for Kitty.

0:38:490:38:53

-I'll think about it a lot

-after I go home tonight.

0:38:540:38:59

-I was very impressed by them.

0:38:590:39:01

-Their parents have raised them well.

0:39:020:39:04

-On a nearby table,

-cupcakes need to be decorated.

0:39:050:39:10

-Cian spends some one-to-one time

-with Evelyn.

0:39:110:39:14

-What are we going to do?

0:39:140:39:15

-Make cakes.

0:39:160:39:17

-Yes, put trimmings on the cake.

0:39:180:39:21

-Those, then those, then those.

0:39:220:39:23

-Those, then those, then those.

-

-Smarties.

0:39:230:39:25

-Out of all the children,

-Cian has the least contact...

0:39:260:39:31

-..with older people

-like grandparents.

0:39:310:39:34

-Cian is one little boy

-in a very big family.

0:39:340:39:38

-I have eight children currently...

0:39:450:39:50

-..and six weeks to go

-until the next one.

0:39:500:39:53

-I want to sing.

0:39:530:39:56

-# I saw a jackdaw

0:39:570:39:58

-# Sitting on the roof #

0:39:580:40:01

-Cian has no contact

-with old relatives...

0:40:010:40:05

-..because it's only us in Blaenau.

0:40:050:40:08

-It's hard to travel to them.

0:40:080:40:10

-Cian's one-to-one time

-with adults is scarce.

0:40:120:40:16

-In such a busy house, that may be

-behind his lack of confidence.

0:40:170:40:22

-The psychologists want to see...

0:40:230:40:26

-..what effect time with Evelyn

-will have on Cian.

0:40:260:40:29

-I can't do sprinkles.

0:40:290:40:31

-I can't do sprinkles.

-

-Yes, you can.

0:40:310:40:33

-Come on, Cian, you can do it.

0:40:330:40:35

-That's Cian's stock response.

0:40:350:40:39

-I can't do it. No confidence.

0:40:390:40:41

-I can't do it. No confidence.

-

-But he can do it.

0:40:410:40:42

-Watch me doing it.

0:40:430:40:45

-Onto the cake.

0:40:450:40:46

-Watch how I do it.

0:40:500:40:51

-You only need a little bit.

0:40:520:40:55

-In order to boost the confidence

-of a child like Cian...

0:40:550:40:59

-..it's important to have

-one-to-one time with an adult.

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-That adult also needs to support,

-encourage and praise.

0:41:040:41:10

-There you are.

-That one and you'll be done.

0:41:150:41:18

-OK, you've finished.

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-Well done.

0:41:200:41:21

-Plenty of praise, that's how

-you build a child's confidence.

0:41:220:41:26

-You did well, didn't you?

0:41:270:41:29

-Yes.

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-Take another one.

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-It isn't just Cian

-who benefits from the experience.

0:41:330:41:36

-It would be nice

-to go back 15 years.

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-Stupid, really, but there we are.

0:41:420:41:44

-No, I don't like getting old.

0:41:460:41:47

-While the cakes are baking,

-an organist has set up in the room.

0:41:490:41:54

-The psychologists hope

-that Second World War songs...

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-..will rekindle memories

-in the old people.

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-Beti clearly remembers.

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-# In your old kit bag

0:42:110:42:13

-# Smile, boys, that's the style

0:42:140:42:17

-# What's the use of worrying?

0:42:180:42:22

-# It never was worthwhile #

0:42:220:42:26

-As Beti sings, the shadow

-of dementia lifts for a little.

0:42:260:42:30

-# In your old kit-bag

-and smile, smile, smile #

0:42:300:42:36

-With a condition like dementia,

-it's the family that suffers most...

0:42:410:42:46

-..like Beti's son, Eric.

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-We were in denial for so long.

0:42:490:42:51

-Fighting it, not accepting it.

0:42:510:42:53

-Then, earlier this year,

-Mam got the diagnosis.

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-She wasn't eating, and her weight

-fell below five stones.

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-And, sorry...

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-..they found out

-that she had dementia.

0:43:050:43:08

-It was tough.

0:43:080:43:09

-# Help somebody as I pass along #

0:43:100:43:17

-She was taught to sing

-when she was a very young girl.

0:43:170:43:21

-She won at a lot of eisteddfodau,

-and Nain was a soprano as well.

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-I suppose they sang together a lot.

0:43:260:43:28

-Sometimes, when Dad came home,

-they'd play old records.

0:43:290:43:32

-When they stopped,

-they carried on singing.

0:43:330:43:36

-Beti isn't the only one

-who responds to the organ.

0:43:380:43:42

-Someone wants to sing a solo.

-Who else but Idris?

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-# Twinkle, twinkle, little star

0:43:500:43:55

-# How I wonder what you are

0:43:550:44:01

-# Up above the world so high

0:44:020:44:06

-# Like a diamond in the sky

0:44:070:44:12

-# Twinkle, twinkle, little star

0:44:130:44:19

-# How I wonder what you are #

0:44:190:44:24

-Beti sang the words with Idris

-all the way through...

0:44:250:44:29

-..as she did as a mother.

0:44:290:44:31

-The change we've seen in Beti

-over three days is astounding.

0:44:330:44:37

-She's gone from being confused

-to being a happy person...

0:44:380:44:43

-..who sang along with

-some happy memories of her youth.

0:44:430:44:48

-It's so important to give people

-these happy periods...

0:44:480:44:52

-..even though

-they live with dementia.

0:44:520:44:55

-Following Idris' example,

-Beti is next on her feet.

0:44:550:44:58

-..to sing a song

-as a farewell to the children.

0:44:590:45:02

-# We'll meet again

0:45:020:45:06

-# Don't know where, don't know when

0:45:060:45:11

-# But I know

-we'll meet again some sunny day #

0:45:110:45:20

-Did you hear my voice clicking?

0:45:200:45:22

-That's nerves setting in.

0:45:230:45:26

-Three days ago,

-the children passed the door...

0:45:270:45:30

-..on their way to the nursery.

0:45:310:45:33

-After this experiment...

0:45:340:45:35

-..children and old folk know

-and understand each other better.

0:45:360:45:40

-I haven't sung that in years.

0:45:440:45:46

-Really, really beautiful.

0:45:470:45:49

-I want a biscuit from there.

0:45:510:45:54

-The experiment is over.

0:45:550:45:58

-After sharing both experiences

-and cakes, the change is obvious.

0:45:580:46:03

-Everyone

-will treasure these memories.

0:46:030:46:06

-I'll always remember them.

0:46:070:46:09

-Oh, I've enjoyed myself.

0:46:140:46:16

-They're lovely little children.

0:46:160:46:19

-Goodbye, son.

0:46:190:46:20

-The children bid farewell to their

-old friends for the last time.

0:46:200:46:25

-Be a good boy.

0:46:250:46:26

-By the last day, I could see

-that everyone had relaxed.

0:46:270:46:31

-I hope they'll still come here

-to see them occasionally.

0:46:310:46:35

-I think they'd like that a lot.

0:46:360:46:38

-They've formed an incredible bond.

0:46:380:46:42

-They were good children,

-no whingeing.

0:46:530:46:56

-They're just down there every day.

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-They were great.

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-They were great.

-

-There we are.

0:47:010:47:02

-With the experiment over,

-Stella sneaks a sly souvenir...

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-..to remember the week when the

-little children came to her world.

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