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-# Propane Nightmares - Pendulum #

-# Whoaaaa #

-Peredur ap Gwynedd

-has two obsessions.

-Playing guitar,

-like he does with Pendulum.

-And cycling,

-like he's doing here in the Alps.

-Before I meet him,

-here's some unnecessary racism...

-..from me, Daniel Glyn.

-No wonder people think

-the French don't wash...

-..if they have to climb up this far

-just to have a bath.

-Peredur spends his life performing

-in front of huge audiences...

-..and cycling in remote,

-lofty areas like the French Alps.

-He's the one on the left,

-by the way!

-He's one of Wales' most successful

-professional musicians.

-Before joining Pendulum...

-..he travelled the world

-for a decade with Natalie Imbruglia.

-He's lost count of how many

-No.1 singles he's played on.

-I asked Peredur

-if he gets the same buzz...

-..from playing guitar

-to thousands...

-..as cycling hundreds of kilometres.

-Yes, I get

-exactly the same buzz from it.

-Once you've reached

-the summit of a mountain...

-..it's the same as coming off stage

-after playing in front of thousands.

-It's exactly the same buzz.

-When I'm not on tour, I'm on top

-of a mountain, and vice versa.

-Even when I'm on tour,

-I take my bike with me.

-When I've got a day off,

-I can still get a buzz!

-You've worked hard

-at music and cycling.

-What does that say

-about your personality?

-Do you have

-an addictive personality?

-Yes, very addictive. I own more than

-60 guitars. No-one needs 60 guitars.

-It's silly, really.

-But I've a collection of 60.

-I should get rid of them

-because I've no room at home.

-What's the most extreme thing

-you've done on a bike?

-I've done

-a couple of extreme things.

-I once cycled from gig to gig.

-The first gig was in Zurich...

-..but the second gig...

-..was on the west coast of France.

-It took me six days.

-I said to my tour manager,

-"You know these two gigs?"...

-There was a week between them.

-He said, "Yes".

-"I'm going to cycle

-from Zurich to Saint-Nazaire."

-He said, "Of course you are."

-I said, "Yes, I am.

-"Don't bother getting me a return

-ticket to London, I'll cycle there."

-He said, "Yeah, right."

-So I turned up at the airport

-with the bike in the box.

-He said, "You're not joking,

-are you?" I said, "No."

-So he cancelled my return ticket.

-The day after the gig,

-everyone went to Zurich Airport.

-I was there with my bike.

-And I cycled all the way.

-I beat them to it

-and got to the gig ahead of them.

-I arrived a day before them.

-I cycled

-an average of 108 miles every day.

-The most I cycled in one day

-was 123 miles...

-..into a 20mph headwind all the way.

-That wasn't much fun.

-I'm sure

-you felt very self-righteous too.

-Did the others

-get there by bus or did they fly?

-They flew back

-and took the bus there.

-I did feel self-righteous

-and I also felt six pounds lighter.

-You're obviously very fit.

-Does that help you when you perform?

-The fitter you are,

-the better you perform.

-When I smoked...

-..I'd come off stage

-and I'd be out of breath.

-That doesn't happen any more.

-I monitored my heart rate during

-one show and took a reading...

-..just to see what was happening.

-I was quite pleased with it!

-Drum'n'bass

-has a high beats per minute ratio.

-Yes, 174.

-And how fast was your heart rate?

-104.

-104.

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-Well done, well done.

-You're fitter than drum'n'bass!

-You're fitter than drum'n'bass!

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-It was like doing yoga on stage.

-When did

-your cycling obsession begin?

-I was a heavy smoker.

-I smoked far too much.

-During the first rehearsal

-of Pendulum's first tour...

-..I had a chest infection

-and decided to give up smoking.

-After about two months,

-I'd beaten the addiction.

-I didn't need nicotine any more,

-so I started swimming.

-But I found it really dull...

-..going back and forth 25 metres.

-My girlfriend

-and I went on holiday...

-..to a small island off Bali...

-..where there are no cars.

-They had mountain bikes...

-..so we hired a couple and

-it was like being a child again.

-I rediscovered the buzz that

-riding a Raleigh Chopper gave me.

-I used to pretend

-I was Eddie Merckx...

-..or Erik Estrada off Chips.

-That's when it started.

-You were cycling to keep fit...

-..then you gained access

-to the professional cycling world.

-I'm on Twitter, and lots of the pros

-are on Twitter too.

-A guy called Manuel Quinziato...

-..tweeted

-during the 2010 Tour de France.

-He was a member

-of the Liquigas team.

-He tweeted that he was listening

-to Rage Against the Machine...

-..and wanted

-some new music to listen to.

-A friend of mine tweeted him and

-said he should listen to Pendulum.

-He said the guitarist is a cyclist

-too and you might like the music.

-We became friends after that...

-..and communicated a lot

-via Twitter.

-He came to one of our gigs

-a few months later in Innsbruck.

-He came to the show and I met him...

-..and he invited me

-to a training camp in Calpe, Spain.

-He'd just joined BMC,

-his new cycling team by then.

-A few of the BMC guys were there...

-..along with some from Liquigas,

-Astana and Quick-Step...

-..which are the big teams.

-The hotel where I was staying

-was full of my heroes!

-I spent 10 days with them...

-..training...

-..and they invited me back again...

-..to train with them

-ahead of the Tour de France.

-Half of the BMC team were training

-in a place called Lavinio...

-..in the north of Italy.

-I trained with them there

-the year they won.

-When you meet these people...

-..do you keep your cool or do you

-become a bit girly about it all?

-With a couple of them I think,

-'Crikey, it's thingybob.'

-I'm more star-struck with

-people like that than musicians.

-So if you could meet,

-I don't know, Barbara Streisand...

-..or someone like that, you'd go,

-"Hiya, Babs"?

-I once met Bette Midler,

-and she went, "Alright?"...

-..and I said, "Yeah."

-While she said, "Oh, my God,

-it's Purudir ap Junad!"

-I know

-you enjoy watching cycling races...

-..so why do you

-refuse to race yourself?

-I don't want to race...

-..even though I've

-already dislocated my scapula...

-..it's important

-that it's still intact...

-..because

-my guitar strap goes over it.

-If it's broken, I can't play guitar.

-I could sit down and play but I

-couldn't stand up. No racing for me.

-I can't remember being in a place

-this quiet and tranquil.

-It makes me feel very relaxed.

-I know that cycling in these parts

-can be extreme...

-..but you must also

-get some relaxation out of it too?

-Yes, there's

-something Zen-like about it.

-Though I haven't read The Loneliness

-of the Long-Distance Runner...

-..that must be

-something to do with it too.

-Just the fact

-that you're alone in the mountains.

-I like cycling alone too.

-It really clears the mind.

-It's a laxative for the brain.

-It was time to leave

-as the cold made it impossible...

-..to continue our conversation.

-Peredur's headquarters whilst

-cycling in this part of the world...

-..is the historic quarter of Nice.

-Nice was 50km away from

-the mountain he'd just climbed...

-..but Peredur

-insisted on cycling home.

-You'd have thought a top guitarist

-could afford to catch a bus.

-After using

-lots of energy cycling...

-..you'd have thought

-Peredur would be starving.

-I was in the land of

-the Michelin star with a rockstar...

-..and looking forward

-to a gastronomic feast.

-Peredur knew just the place nearby.

-Rock'n'roll!

-I'll find out

-your pizza preference now.

-But I want to talk about

-your music preferences.

-Have you been influenced

-by the same music all your life?

-All I've listened to

-is heavy rock music.

-Just heavy rock?

-Just heavy rock?

-

-Yes, that's all.

-The same bands and the same records.

-Everything else is shit.

-What was

-the first heavy rock band you heard?

-AC/DC, probably, or Led Zeppelin.

-Are you still into AC/DC?

-The old stuff or their new stuff?

-Just the old stuff.

-I don't like their new stuff at all.

-Don't you go through

-things like Spotify or iTunes...

-..and pick up new stuff?

-No, I don't like listening

-to music that much, to be honest.

-It's my job, so the last thing

-I want to do when I come home...

-..is listen to music

-because I've been doing it all day.

-If I want to relax,

-I do other things.

-But if you do listen to music,

-it's heavy rock.

-There's a real purity to that.

-I suppose you could call it purity,

-or maybe blinkered!

-Let's have something to eat. Great.

-Having said goodbye to Peredur

-for the night...

-..I wandered Nice,

-admiring the architecture.

-There's not much more you can do

-when you're lost!

-In the end, I made it

-back to my room with a sea view.

-Another perfect night

-on the Riviera.

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-I was in Nice,

-on the French Riviera...

-..interviewing Peredur ap Gwynedd.

-I'd found a place to stay

-overlooking the sea...

-..in the heart

-of the famous English Mile.

-After a good night's sleep, it

-was time to continue my interview.

-The secret to a successful interview

-is in the preparation.

-Practical

-as well as physical preparation.

-Preparation begins

-with a healthy breakfast.

-After all, breakfast is

-the most important meal of the day.

-Peredur was staying

-in the historic quarter of Nice.

-We agreed to meet

-at his appartement...

-..the French word for apartment.

-We returned to the same eatery

-before continuing our interview.

-I heard it only took you a week...

-..to learn AC/DC's guitar solos.

-It was much less than a week.

-I wouldn't know where to start

-if it were me.

-Did you just listen to them and

-practise them over and over again?

-Yes, I just used my ears.

-And your guitar. And your fingers!

-Can you play guitar

-with your tongue?

-Yes, I can.

-Yes, I can.

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-Can you? Doesn't it hurt?

-No, it's alright.

-I can play it with my teeth too.

-How do you do that?

-Like that? I want to see that.

-Like that? I want to see that.

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-It's a really stupid thing to do.

-Make a note of that. I have to see

-Peredur play guitar with his teeth.

-I've chipped

-a couple of teeth by doing that.

-It's a really silly thing to do.

-In which band were you at the time?

-In every band I've been in.

-I bet you didn't do it

-with Natalie Imbruglia.

-Yes, I did. I smashed three guitars

-on stage when I was with Natalie.

-I'm sure that was

-a bit of a contrast to her music...

-..or did she like you rocking out?

-The first time I did it, we were

-playing at Sydney's Olympic Stadium.

-Pink was on after us...

-..and then Bon Jovi after Pink.

-I thought, 'I won't get the chance

-to do this again'...

-..so at the end of the last song,

-a big ending...

-..the band and Natalie walked off...

-..and I was doing feedback...

-..and then I started

-whacking it against the monitor...

-..and smashed up the guitar.

-Was it your guitar?

-Was it your guitar?

-

-Yes.

-What does your dedication say

-about your personality?

-When I was at school,

-I'd practise eight hours a day.

-So you didn't go to school then?

-No, I'd come back from school...

-..and practise until about midnight.

-Every night for years.

-Every night for years.

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-Yes.

-Do you still have to practise

-or does work do that for you?

-No,

-I don't have to do that any more.

-I got into a lot of trouble

-at school because I did no work.

-I was sent to the headmaster

-lots of times.

-He'd say, "Stop playing guitar."

-He'd say, "There's no future in it."

-Basically, that's what he said.

-That's what my careers' tutor

-at school told me too.

-He said, "There's no point."

-So your careers' tutor told you you

-wouldn't make a living out of it?

-Someone must've told you

-that you could.

-Yes, two people from Aberystwyth,

-who used to be in the same band.

-They both told me

-at different times.

-One of them was Ray Jones

-and the other was Myfyr Isaac.

-Both said

-I could make a career out of it.

-Once they told me that,

-it got me thinking.

-I hadn't thought about it.

-I was just having fun with it

-by being in a band.

-How old were you at the time?

-16.

-I was 15 when Ray told me that

-and 16 when Myf told me.

-That's why I moved to London.

-If I was going to be

-a professional musician...

-..it was the place to be because it

-was the heart of the music industry.

-It was one of the best places

-to be in the world...

-..other than

-Los Angeles, Nashville, New York.

-You're obviously very fit.

-Does it help you

-when you're on stage performing?

-When I'm not on tour, my neck

-is like the neck of a normal person.

-But after three weeks

-of being on stage...

-..because I do so much headbanging,

-a lump develops.

-I end up with a headbanging muscle

-at the back of my neck.

-You seem very proud of that too!

-You live in two extreme worlds.

-The cycling world

-and the rock'n'roll world.

-There must be temptation,

-especially with music...

-..and all that goes on backstage...

-..that could lead you astray.

-I've seen lots of bands...

-..who overdo it.

-With most of them, you can tell

-they're not going to last.

-A lot of them...

-..are more interested in

-that side of things than the music.

-Once that becomes the case...

-..the music dies.

-Do you think that alcohol and drugs

-kill the creativity?

-I think they do, yes,

-if you do too much of them.

-The odd thing is...

-..the real rock'n'roll stars...

-..behave themselves.

-The ones who don't behave

-are the ones who haven't made it.

-The real stars behave themselves.

-And they treat everyone well.

-Yes.

-Are there things you've done

-that still make you cringe?

-I threw up on stage once.

-I think I was playing with Dom.

-We were in one of the pubs

-in Cardiff the night before.

-A woman came around selling mussels,

-whelks and cockles...

-..so I bought a pack

-and ate the lot.

-Actually, I ate two packs.

-I felt really ill the day after.

-I played the first chord...

-..on stage in...

-..Lampeter University.

-Did you carry on playing?

-Did you carry on playing?

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-Yes. I was fine after I vomited.

-Better out than in!

-With the hubbub of

-the Nicoise backstreets below...

-..I decided to ask Peredur

-about living the rock'n'roll dream.

-You've always been in bands.

-Did you start them

-or did people ask you to join?

-Would you start your own band?

-Would you start your own band?

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-No. I wouldn't want to.

-It's too much hassle.

-Why is it too much hassle?

-Why is it too much hassle?

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-It's too much work.

-You never know...

-Look, if you start a band and say,

-"I want you, you, you...

-"..and we'll play so-and-so,

-do small gigs," that's bullshit.

-Sorry, that's complete nonsense...

-..because...

-..you don't know what's going to be

-popular in three years' time.

-The best way to do it is join a band

-that's already starting to make it.

-It's not rocket science.

-That's what you do.

-Get others to do all the hard work

-and then dive in and help them.

-No, I do the hard work with them.

-Once you've worked out that a band

-is going to be popular...

-It's interesting because it's

-a different kind of ego, isn't it?

-You must enjoy the attention you get

-from playing guitar...

-..but not the attention

-of being a star?

-Yes. Well, it's a job too.

-I'm not going to start a band...

-..if I'm not sure they'll

-be popular in three years' time...

-..because I want to make a living,

-you know?

-I need to eat. It's a job.

-Do you think

-that stems from a background...

-..of going to college, though

-you claim it didn't help you...

-..that's taught you

-to regard it as profession...

-..rather than a rock'n'roll dream?

-It's always been a profession

-for me.

-I've never had pipe dreams...

-..of living the rock'n'roll dream.

-It's a career,

-and that's what it's always been.

-Even when you're there with Pendulum

-and 100,000 people are going nuts...

-..in the back of your mind, it's

-job done rather than 'I'm the best?'

-Yes. You walk off stage and

-you've done your work for the day.

-You move on to the next gig

-and do it all over again.

-Is that why you don't want to

-form your own band?

-You want to avoid

-that way of thinking?

-That you're not a star

-and your music isn't successful?

-Are you scared, maybe?

-Or are you just sensible?

-I'm sensible.

-I know what's going to happen.

-No-one can predict which bands will

-be popular in three years' time.

-It can't be done.

-If you picked up

-a copy of NME three years ago...

-..most of the bands

-would've either split up...

-..or lost their deals.

-Nearly all the acts

-on The X Factor...

-..will be dropped by their

-record company in three years' time.

-Nice is one of the most

-sophisticated French cities.

-It's one of Europe's

-most elegant places.

-This is also where Welsh guitarists

-come to cycle in the giant Alps.

-The next time we meet Peredur, he's

-in a totally different environment.

-Here's a local history fact.

-Since we've been here, interviewing

-guitarist Peredur ap Gwynedd...

-..they've renamed this corner

-Le Jardin du Mort.

-The place where nothing grows.

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-After Nice and the Alps, where next

-for guitarist Peredur ap Gwynedd?

-Llandyrnog village hall, of course,

-to meet beatboxer Ed Holden...

-..to perform the history of the

-Welsh music scene in three minutes.

-How did you become a member of

-Pendulum? Did you have to audition?

-No. They were working

-on their first album.

-At the time, they were signed to a

-small label called Breakbeat Kaos.

-The person who owns the label

-is called DJ Fresh.

-He produces his own stuff too.

-I worked with him

-more than 10 years ago.

-I played guitar on his stuff.

-They wanted a guitar on one of

-their tracks off the album.

-Fresh said to them...

-.."Go and phone Peredur and

-he'll come up to record with you."

-I went up

-and recorded this acoustic song.

-I forgot about it after that.

-They paid me. It was just a session.

-About a year later, I heard

-the record had sold 300,000 copies.

-I thought, crikey!

-That was

-just in the drum'n'bass world.

-They phoned me again...

-..and asked if I'd like to be

-in Pendulum's live band.

-I said, "Yeah, alright then."

-We performed our first live gig...

-..and then they asked me

-to be a full-time band member.

-So that's what I did.

-What do you mean, they asked you?

-Did they sit you down?

-They just asked me, "Do you

-want to be a member of the band?"

-I said, "Yes, I do."

-So you recorded one song with them,

-became a part of the live band...

-..and they offer you

-a job in the band.

-Did you know that

-these lads were going to do alright?

-After I'd heard that the record

-had sold more than 300,000 copies...

-..something told me

-that they were going to be big.

-So I joined the band before

-the recording of the second album.

-I finished all my session work...

-..and joined Pendulum full time.

-I had lots of gigs, but

-I turned down a lot of big stuff...

-..to join the band.

-I'd done session work for years,

-so I needed a change.

-It was a change for the best.

-I was very lucky.

-It could've gone

-completely the other way.

-What was it about the music

-that attracted you?

-On paper, the fusion of drum'n'bass

-and rock sounds dreadful.

-It was very exciting.

-The band

-had an exciting sound anyway...

-..and it was something

-I wanted to play.

-I hadn't played rock music

-in a long time - headbangy stuff.

-I'd been doing pop stuff.

-I thought it was time...

-..to do more heavy stuff.

-When they asked us

-to play the Download Festival...

-..a metal festival

-for the first time...

-..I was a bit shocked because

-I thought we were a dance band.

-We turned up...

-..and it was one of

-the best gigs I'd ever done.

-Seeing so many people in front of us

-at three in the afternoon.

-There were 40,000 people there.

-We were on the second stage.

-I could see people coming from

-the main stage to watch us.

-I thought,

-'Something's happening here.'

-The second album

-was about to be released...

-..and we were all

-looking at each other going...

-..'This is going to be nuts.'

-It went totally nuts.

-It was exponential after that.

-Luckily, we did

-a lot of festivals after that...

-..all over Europe,

-and the entire world.

-We did a lot of them.

-We did the dance festivals,

-rock festivals...

-..and pop festivals

-like V and Glastonbury.

-We're one of those crossover bands

-that can do each of the festivals.

-We were doing

-about 40 or 50 every summer.

-I think we did

-about 60 one summer...

-..all over the world.

-Pendulum's popularity was growing,

-so how did that feel?

-The first tour, which was low-key...

-..was dubbed the toilet tour.

-Every band does it.

-You tour the small venues.

-The reason

-they call it the toilet tour...

-..is because

-there are no dressing rooms.

-You change your clothes

-or whatever in the toilet.

-We did six weeks of that...

-..and then we finished off

-the second album...

-..before doing small gigs.

-The gigs became

-bigger and bigger and bigger.

-We were filling theatres and then

-arenas quite quickly after that...

-..during our second album.

-Once you start playing arenas...

-..you know you're getting big!

-I once noticed a sign on the wall

-backstage at one of your gigs...

-..not only reminding you of

-your itinerary but where you were.

-It said, "You are in Cardiff

-in Wales. This is where you are."

-Is that because everywhere

-looks the same after a while?

-When you're on tour and say

-you're in Reykjavik one night...

-..and Helsinki the next night...

-..and then Stockholm or Oslo...

-..or anywhere in Scandinavia, you

-don't know where the hell you are.

-Or anywhere in the world,

-especially America...

-..because everything's

-exactly the same in America.

-Venues are incredibly homogenised.

-It's a big help being reminded...

-..that, "You are in wherever!"

-"You're in Milwaukee." Am I?

-Very good!

-What's been the highlight so far?

-There've been a few great moments.

-That gig in Download was superb

-and the two Glastonbury gigs...

-..were really, really good.

-During the 2009 gig

-at Glastonbury...

-..we had the slot on stage

-when the sun goes down.

-You're on the stage and the sun

-goes down and you're like, "Wow!"

-Thankfully, we got that slot.

-Thankfully, we got that slot.

-

-With 100,000 watching you.

-Something like that, yes.

-It was a really good day because

-Bruce Springsteen was playing...

-..directly after us on

-the other stage, so I saw him too.

-Describe the moment

-when the second album went to No.1.

-You were all on the bus...

-You were all on the bus...

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-The third album.

-Why don't you tell the story?

-We were in Cardiff

-the night before...

-..and we got drunk

-because we were in Cardiff.

-We all had headaches...

-..and the manager phoned us up...

-..and one of the boys in the band

-stuck him on speakerphone.

-He said, "Guess what, guys?

-The album's No.1."

-Everyone was so hungover,

-we just went, "Oh, whatever!"

-Yay! Whoo-hoo!

-We were all feeling so ill.

-We were in Plymouth at the time.

-We were so ill that day, we didn't

-care what number we'd reached.

-The good thing about that day...

-..was that afterwards...

-..we realized that

-we'd beaten Glee to the No.1 spot.

-Glee's new album had been released,

-so we were very happy about that.

-Beating Glee was more important

-that being No.1?

-Glee might make a Pendulum episode.

-A crossover'll happen after that.

-To travel the world as a musician,

-do you need a special skill set?

-Personal skills, not musical ones.

-There's only

-one skill you need, really...

-..and that is not to be a twat.

-If you're a twat...

-..you won't last very long...

-..in this job.

-Show enough respect for others

-and you'll be fine.

-All you need is respect for others

-and not to be an idiot.

-What do you mean by idiot?

-Anything

-you'd hate someone to say...

-..or the way they talked to you.

-If you complain too much...

-..or say disrespectful things.

-You shouldn't say

-anything disrespectful.

-This notion

-that musicians trash hotel rooms...

-..that doesn't happen

-any more, does it?

-We haven't done it, I don't think.

-Hang on.

-No, we...

-Pendulum have never...

-Actually, yes, we have!

-I think. Who did that?

-There's a story to tell

-but I can't say!

-Have you witnessed

-someone else doing it?

-I've seen

-many rooms being trashed, yes.

-So it does happen?

-Alcohol is the reason for it.

-It's usually the result of alcohol.

-I haven't done it myself...

-..because if you trash your room,

-you have to pay for it.

-I'd rather not do that.

-Is that how it works?

-Do they put it on the bill?

-Yes, and it comes out

-of your money.

-The tour pays for it...

-..and then it's taken out

-of your cut at the end of the tour.

-Like expenses or something.

-Itemised!

-If you play the guitar

-and your nose itches...

-..what do you do?

-You turn it into a rock'n'roll move.

-The eisteddfod performance

-was approaching.

-This is the point in time when

-people ask the big questions...

-..like what happens to the Chair

-if no-one's worthy?

-Peredur and Ed Holden...

-..were performing the history

-of Welsh rock in three minutes.

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-Peredur was returning to the studio

-of guitarist Myfyr Isaac...

-..who opened Peredur's eyes

-to the possibilities...

-..of sustaining a career

-as a professional musician.

-This was a chance

-to look back over the highlights...

-..of Peredur ap Gwynedd's

-incredible career.

-When you're on stage,

-what's going through your mind?

-Are you totally focused...?

-My butt!

-What goes through your mind on

-stage? Does it involve stage craft?

-I think every Welshman or woman has

-learnt the art of being on stage...

-..from their school days

-or from going to Aelwyd yr Urdd.

-You have to

-look at the audience all the time...

-..in order to engage them.

-That's the only secret, really.

-You just have to focus

-on the audience.

-So you don't focus

-on what your hands are doing?

-You look down sometimes

-and you go like that.

-Is that part of what you have to do?

-Do you have a pattern because

-I have a pattern when I do stand-up.

-Left, right and straight ahead.

-Left, right, straight ahead.

-The trick is to look out

-and watch the sound man.

-When you look at the sound man,

-everyone in the arena...

-..thinks you're looking at them.

-It's a kind of illusion.

-It's a kind of trick.

-Look at the sound man, everyone

-thinks you're looking at them.

-Ah, right.

-Some musicians

-try to be very professional...

-..and indicate to the sound man

-to higher or lower the levels.

-What do you go about that?

-It goes back to technology.

-We've a different system.

-We control our own sound.

-We have our own small mixers.

-Mine is on top of my amp.

-If I want more drums,

-I do it myself.

-This is relatively new technology.

-They used to be

-just in recording studios...

-..but now you can use them live.

-We're one of the first to use them.

-If I want more vocals,

-or less or more of that...

-..I just turn it up or turn it down.

-It's much easier

-than what you just said.

-Lots of musicians and singers

-just go...

-And the sound man's going, "What?"

-You mentioned that performing live

-is a scientific project...

-..where you've created something in

-the studio and you recreate it live.

-The music we produce,

-because it's electronic...

-..in the studio, we use

-a great deal of technology.

-It's essential

-in order to create the sounds.

-Lots of computers are used...

-..so we have to use

-the same computers live.

-It takes a lot of work...

-..to transfer all the sounds across.

-On stage,

-we use about 14 computers...

-..just to create the sounds

-we produce in the studio.

-If a sound

-has been created by a computer...

-..do they pass it over and say, "Can

-you recreate that with a guitar?"

-I've an amp beside me on stage...

-..but I also use a computer...

-..which creates

-a more synthetic sound.

-So I have the traditional sound

-of heavy guitar or smooth guitar...

-..and then a more synthi sound...

-..is created by the computer.

-Now and again, a few odd sounds

-are created by the guitar.

-Many electronic bands

-just push the space bar...

-..and pretend they do other stuff.

-..and pretend they do other stuff.

-

-There are lots of them around!

-I've told you who does that.

-It's a shock

-to hear who does that...

-..because you think they're

-playing live but they're not.

-With us, if everyone goes like this,

-the music stops...

-..apart from the sounds

-on the periphery...

-..that you can't create.

-Sound effects and so on.

-Is that part of Pendulum's appeal...

-..the fact that they do that because

-they think so much of the music?

-Yes. That's what we set out to do

-from the beginning.

-What we created in the studio

-could be replicated live on stage.

-And completely live too.

-Miming is boring.

-I've done plenty of Top of the Pops

-with other people.

-I've had enough of that.

-I don't like it.

-I don't like it.

-

-Why not?

-When you're young and you watch

-Top of the Pops on television...

-..you go,

-"I want to do that when I'm older."

-"No, I want to be

-on Top of the Pops now."

-When you do it for the first time...

-..you think, 'This is superb.

-I want to do it again.'

-You do it for the second time and

-you think, 'God, this is rubbish!'

-All you do is hang around all day,

-doing nothing in Borehamwood...

-..which is north of London.

-There's nothing there,

-so you spend all day in a room...

-..which looks like a jail.

-What's the difference between being

-in a band and doing session work?

-There's a slight difference.

-You have to be more professional

-doing session work...

-..because

-you're being paid to do something.

-You have to do it well if

-you want to work with them again.

-In a band,

-you can be a little more laid back.

-But it's also nice

-to be professional with a band.

-If you turn up drunk or if you've

-done something silly on stage...

-..the audience sees that...

-..and probably thinks,

-"What an idiot"...

-..and may never come

-to your gigs again.

-You have to be professional.

-Have you turned up for work...

-..been paid and gone away...

-..only to find they'd found

-someone else to do your bit?

-No.

-No.

-

-But it does happen, doesn't it?

-Yes.

-I've played on tracks

-for certain bands.

-You think it's them who are playing

-on the record but it's not them.

-Are you willing to tell us who?

-Are you willing to tell us who?

-

-No, I'm not allowed.

-As part of the contract?

-Do you find it hard playing

-the same song over and over again?

-How do you keep it fresh?

-I enjoy what I do for a living.

-I enjoy every gig.

-I feel lucky to be doing what I do.

-People have to do jobs they hate.

-I'm so lucky

-that I can do a job I love...

-..which is basically making a noise

-and showing off every night.

-I never get bored of that.

-You were with Natalie Imbruglia

-for nine years.

-The song Torn,

-you must've played that...

-Thousands of times.

-Yup. Aaarrrgh!!

-I don't mean it!

-Each time I play that intro...

-..what I hear in my head...

-..is lots of people shouting,

-going, "Yeah!"

-And cha-ching!

-And cha-ching!

-

-Yes, ka-ching!

-It gives me a thrill.

-That's the difference -

-you're a session musician.

-It's a job,

-so you're not going to complain.

-They've asked you to play,

-so you're not going to refuse.

-It's my job. "Play it again." "OK."

-Play it again!

-When you've travelled the world...

-..the way people have pronounced

-your name has been interesting.

-What have they

-called you over the years?

-Perridrew is a good one.

-Some people just go, "pfff".

-They don't even bother.

-When you're in a band...

-..the lead vocalist goes,

-"On drums, Johnny Davies."

-Do they sometimes go,

-"And on guitar, eurgh..."

-Every band I've been in...

-..I've taught everyone

-to say Peredur ap Gwynedd.

-Natalie

-says Peredur ap Gwynedd fluently.

-Did she roll her Rs as well?

-Did she roll her Rs as well?

-

-Yes, my brother and I...

-..taught her some Welsh.

-When she sees me, she says, "Rwyn

-dy garu di, Peredur ap Gwynedd."

-Thank you very much!

-I was going to ask you what are

-the advantages of being in a band!

-Lots of young people

-want to do what you do.

-What advice would you give them?

-I'd tell them to do everything.

-Anything anyone asks them

-to do musically, do it.

-Join several bands.

-If someone asks you to join, do it.

-If you throw

-enough muck at a wall...

-..some of it will stick.

-That's what happened to me.

-When I was young,

-I was in about 10 bands.

-It was through being

-in one of those bands...

-..that I've got

-to where I am today, you know.

-Just do everything you can.

-That's what

-I'd tell that young person.

-My time with guitarist Peredur

-ap Gwynedd had come to an end.

-It was time to say goodbye...

-..or as the French would say,

-auf wiedersehen!

-I left Peredur

-to his wild rock'n'roll lifestyle.

-# Propane Nightmares - Pendulum #

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