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LORD SUGAR: You haven't used any of your skills, any of the things

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that you claim you're experts in. A disgusting result.

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I don't want to hear any more from you. You're fired. You're fired.

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You're fired.

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APPLAUSE

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CHEERING

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Thank you. Good evening. I'm Jack Dee.

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Welcome to The Apprentice You're Fired.

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This week's task was to produce a children's book,

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so the candidates were extra careful to make sure their language

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was suitable for three to five-year-olds.

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Party pooper, wee-wee.

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Sniffle bottom.

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I shit you not, she absolutely put her arse on her hands...

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LAUGHTER

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Yeah, thanks, Brett. Good luck with that CBeebie's audition, by the way.

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Joseph had a tough time. It can't have been easy spending the day being

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shadowed by his mysterious Victorian lookalike.

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LAUGHTER

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APPLAUSE

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Yes, that is Lord Sugar's new aid, the Gocompare man.

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Meanwhile, April burned Charleine so hard, she became a meme.

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Personally, I feel, like, the bee story could be the most adventurous.

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What writing skills have you got?

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My degree is in creative writing.

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GENERIC HIP-HOP MUSIC

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And if you don't get that, it's because you're not street, like me.

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Joining me to discuss tonight's task, even though it's past their bedtimes,

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are author of the How To Train Your Dragon

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series of children's books, Cressida Cowell,

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broadcaster Gaby Roslin, and he's still only halfway through

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Snottydinks, so no spoilers, please, it is Romesh Ranganathan.

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Welcome to You're Fired.

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Well, in tonight's task,

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one candidate was hoping her team's children's book would be

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a monster hit, but instead, for her, it was all ogre.

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Ha... Sorry.

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Sorry, that was a terrible pun. I just said it without thinking.

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LORD SUGAR: Natalie, your pitch was terrible.

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I'm not sure you think before you speak.

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You just haven't shown me enough. On this particular occasion...

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..you're fired.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please well, Natalie Dean!

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APPLAUSE

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Come and sit down. Come and sit down.

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Natalie, welcome to You're Fired. It's good to see you.

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I don't know who was more upset, you or Sam.

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I know, he didn't look happy, did he? It was.

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How did you feel at the time?

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Not as upset as Sam looked, it would appear.

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He was. He was really... Because it must be very emotional.

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You've all worked and lived together for four or five weeks.

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Suddenly, up against each other in the boardroom. And how did that feel?

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Well, it was really difficult

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because I really like Sam, and got on with him so well,

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and to be in that situation with him, it wasn't very nice.

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It wasn't nice, was it? Plus, to make things worse,

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you'd had a terrible cold that week, which wasn't good. Yeah.

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Did that generally affect your... your whole performance, do you feel?

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I'd didn't feel great, but I don't know if it would have gone

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that much differently if I didn't have a cold, really.

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I really think you could have... Because you played it very well.

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You set it up, and you said, "I've got a bit of a cough," etc.

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And then you said it in the boardroom.

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I definitely think you should have done it in the bookshop.

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You know, when she said,

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"What are your percentages?", you should have just collapsed.

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Just had a coughing fit and fallen to the floor.

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Maybe I should, yeah.

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Well, Lord Sugar said you didn't show him enough

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of what you could really do.

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Let's have a look at what you did show him.

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The key to this is selling, isn't it?

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I wanted Natalie and myself to do the pitch

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to the national book retailer.

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SHE COUGHS

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I'm just concerned that if I stand up there to do a pitch

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and go croaky or cough, I'm going to look ridiculous.

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So, Brett, Scott, and Natalie, you're going to trade. Perfect.

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I think I'd feel more comfortable doing that.

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Natalie was supposed to lead the pitch, but did a terrible job.

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What do you want to know? My discount percentage.

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Brett had said he was in charge of the finances

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and had been looking after them.

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And, so, I was a bit shocked he didn't have that answer.

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I supplied you with that information and you went in there with it. Completely disagree.

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If you buy under nine or up to nine, it's for ?4.89 per unit.

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You're a liar. Yes, I did.

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You're an outright liar.

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It was a disaster.

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So, the bus?

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LAUGHTER

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Didn't really show a lot, did I?

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I've got to ask you, did you get on the same bus, you and Brett?

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Or was there a bit of an atmosphere? That task, me and Brett,

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we didn't get on well, but I really like Brett. We got on in the house

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really well. In the boardroom, Brett called you a liar.

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What did you make of that?

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I think he got a bit confused. Ah, that's a good answer.

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He got confused. I mean, it did get quite heated.

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I know that when, in the taxi afterwards, you...you didn't hold

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back, cos you said you didn't think he'd stay in the process very long.

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You even said you didn't think he was very intelligent.

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Do you stand by that now? No, I think he'll do quite well.

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I think he's very confident and always says what he thinks,

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which I think will probably do him quite well. I like Brett.

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I'm glad about that. So, the pitch in the bookshop.

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That, the one we saw, was a disaster, wasn't it? It was a disaster.

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Why were you so stumped by the figures?

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The woman asked us, "What's the price?" I was, like, "Brett,

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"you've got the figures." But he didn't have the figures.

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Then, I was doing the pitch, I should have had the figures,

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I was doing the pitch. OK, that's an honest answer.

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It went wrong for you. Cressida, I'll come to you first, cos, you know,

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Natalie was finding the bookshop owner very hard.

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Now, even at your level of success, you must still have to build

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relationships with publishers and film executives, even retailers.

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How important is it to have a rapport with these people and maintain it?

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Oh, it's immensely important. Hugely important.

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I mean, as a children's book author, you're also pitching quite a lot

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to children themselves and their parents.

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Lord Sugar would love this.

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You have a very direct contact with your market.

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The children's book industry is phenomenally successful,

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considering the competition. Look at the telly nowadays, Xbox.

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However, in the last 16 years,

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we have doubled the amount of children's books we've sold,

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which is extraordinary. And it's partly because authors go out there.

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You can't hide away as an author any more.

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I've been to so many primary schools,

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I could practically be an OFSTED inspector.

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I'll come to you now, Gaby.

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You know, you're a very successful TV presenter, radio presenter.

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You always very quickly establish a relationship with the people

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you're interviewing. Is there a nack to that

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we could pass on to Natalie? Yes, I did feel

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that you weren't getting people's interest straightaway

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and you weren't listening to them.

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And you weren't giving them something.

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I thought you opened yourself up for an attack

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when you asked that lady what she liked in a book.

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I don't know if you would have been better off saying

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what was good about it, rather than opening yourself up,

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cos then she said "I like a book that really sells."

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And then you went, "We haven't got that, but we've...we've got

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"a new book that we think could possibly sell, fingers crossed."

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You know what I mean? So, Natalie, Brett said that you were nervous

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in the bookshop pitch,

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because you had Karren watching you all the time.

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How much more nerve-racking is it having Karren or Claude

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breathing down your neck?

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Generally, when you're trying to pitch a product,

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you don't have Karren Brady standing in the corner

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making notes and tutting. It is quite a lot of pressure.

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Yes, it is, cos you got off to a bad start with her,

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didn't you, in week two, with the shampoo?

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And you had claimed that people over the age of 46 are scared of change.

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LAUGHTER

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And she was... she was offended by that.

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Did you feel you were carrying a little bit of that on into this task?

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So, first of all, I'm very sorry to any women over 40 that I did offend.

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It wasn't the intention.

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Were you watching that, Gaby, when that happened? Yes!

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NATALIE: I'm sorry.

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I was and I shouted at the screen. You found it terrifying.

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What, the whole thing?

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LAUGHTER

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Natalie, Lord Sugar said that you don't think before you speak.

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Do you think he's right?

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Take your time.

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LAUGHTER

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Thinking before you speak isn't easy, especially

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if you don't give yourself time to get a word in edgewise.

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Have a look at this.

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Natalie talks so quickly, I have never heard anyone speak so fast.

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I look after very high-value customers, make sure

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they retain with the company and also try and encourage them

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to spend more money with us, as well.

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I write pitches and present to businesses on a day-to-day business.

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I think I'd be really good in a pitch.

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Natalie...thinks and talks at a million miles an hour.

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I find speaking slow the hardest bit.

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Some might have the option of buying it in either country.

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We don't want get there and we can't sell it cos it's not safe.

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That'd be a nightmare. Everything is bom-bom-bom. We'd failed the task

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before the pitch. People will spend money on rabbits. I had a rabbit for years.

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I don't think you're passionate about the product

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and we could sell it. I can't speak slowly. I'm, like ...

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LAUGHTER See, most of those weren't that fast to me. What did you say?

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LAUGHTER

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Have you ever thought about taking up horse race commentary

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or something like that? I probably should, shouldn't I?

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OK, let's move on. We'll have a look at the book. Here we are.

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That's Snottydink, which is quite appropriate,

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considering how ill you were feeling at the time.

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So, Cressida, you've got one, as well. Have a little look.

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What do you think? What are your first impressions?

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Are you impressed by that?

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I have to say, in one day, I thought that was REALLY impressive.

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I thought it was original. It was really original.

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I'm glad you said that. I liked it, as well.

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Yes, you bond with the character. Completely.

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And the graphics are great, the words are great, the rhymes,

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the rhythm, everything. And I would happily read this to my youngest.

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I'm not sure about it. My issue with it... I do think it's good.

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I think the pictures are good, it looks good,

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the covers are good and everything. My biggest issue is the long words.

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I know you sold it as a thing that kids should learn new words,

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but a kid with an extensive vocabulary is creepy.

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You know... If I was in the park with my kid, he said,

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"Daddy, look at that moisture-loving plant,"

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I'd say, "Shut up, you weirdo.

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"You sound like a freak." "Daddy, quell your anger."

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"You're not helping!"

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I got a little bit worried.

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I thought maybe you were all drinking a bit too much.

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It seems to me that some of the rhymes only work if you're drunk.

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This bit.

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'The water he blew was not only useful

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'He could make things, too, that were bright and byoo-full.'

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LAUGHTER

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That only works if you had a bottle of wine. I think it does, yeah.

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There's nothing wrong, though, with having new words in a book,

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are there? Are you conscious of doing that when you're writing?

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I do use longer words in my books for 8-12-year-olds,

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but I have to say, for three to five,

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I would be a bit more careful about using shorter words.

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So, what, during the creative stage,

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you're coming up with this book, what was it like to be

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in the presence of Sam, when he was in his creative frenzy?

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How involved were you? Or did you just have to sit back in awe?

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I think the problem with Sam was, in this task, he had too many ideas

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and he couldn't decide what he actually wanted to do.

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So, in the end, it was me who came up with the idea of the story,

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what would happen. Then, Elle and Sam wrote it,

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because their English is fantastic, both of them.

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And Scott drew the pictures, cos he's good at drawing.

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So, it was very much a team effort.

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Did Scott actually draw the pictures that are in there now?

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Well, he... That was his vision?

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A graphic designer will make them look more sparkly.

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It's impressive, that.

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Well, as we've seen, project manager of Connexus was Sam,

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who Lord Sugar criticised for not having a very business-like approach.

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Let's have a look at him in action. Or not, in his case.

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A story dies without good plot.

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I mean, obviously, there is

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this theory about Aristotle thinking plot is the most important thing.

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I don't know how much you can relate, sort of,

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a tragedy with children's literature.

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At times, I felt I was

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watching you try to write the sequel to King Lear.

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What I wanted to do was come up with a moral story that included

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creatures, or an overcoming the monsters story that included

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a bit of a moral, or an adventure story.

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The adventure story one, I'm slightly confused on.

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They've been in their meeting

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for a few hours, but haven't really nailed anything down.

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We're going around the houses now. As PM, what do you reckon?

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Um...

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Now, I... My preference is... What do you think?

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Who are you bringing back into this boardroom?

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There you are again.

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He just takes so long to reach a decision.

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See, Natalie, somewhere between you and Sam

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is the perfect speed at which to talk.

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That's what you want to aim at. What was Sam like as a project manager?

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Indecisive. But I think that's because he's so nice,

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he wanted to please everybody. Right. Did you feel like he was

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under pressure because Lord Sugar had said to him,

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"You're an English graduate, you should be good at this,"

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that he felt he had to create some masterpiece, rather than just getting the book done?

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I think he was trying to make it a lot more complex than it

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needed to be, because he was so worried about making

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a great product for Lord Sugar. Accused of over-intellectualising.

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Cressida, is that a fault? Well, no, he didn't call it King Lear, did he?

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He called it Snottydink.

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King Lear, in fairness, had been taken, that name.

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LAUGHTER

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He was thinking about it very seriously, but it had a message.

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It was about something.

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And it was about something much more interesting than the bees story.

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I mean, good children's books do have a message.

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And sometimes, it's quite a serious message.

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In the cafe, Sam immediately apologised

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to his team for losing, in a very gallant way, I thought.

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That was very nice of him.

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And he apologised to you in the boardroom afterwards...

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He was actually crying. He was devastated.

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I was, like, "You can go now. It's all right, Sam." He wouldn't let go of my hand.

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He genuinely felt bad. He's too nice. He's just a lovely guy.

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GABY: Can you be too nice? I was going to ask.

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Can you combine being a nice guy with being good at business, do you think?

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I think you can, surely you can. There are plenty of people who have done it over the years.

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I'm trying to think now!

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I think he made such a mistake by saying, "I'm sorry,"

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when they were in the cafe. What you've got to do

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is you've got to sit down and go,

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"Where do you think you guys went wrong?"

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You've got to be on the front foot, in that situation.

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When I was teaching, I would do parents' evenings and stuff,

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and sometimes, a kid would sit down and I didn't know the kid.

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I couldn't remember what they were like.

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I'd just say, what do you think I'm going to say about you?

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And just let them fill in the blanks.

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All the stories I hear about you being a teacher terrify me.

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Well, if it makes you feel better,

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legally, I'm not allowed to do it any more.

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LAUGHTER

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Well, let's move on to the winning team,

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Team Versatile, and to remind us about their book, here is Claude.

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Hello, boys and girls. LAUGHTER

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Are you sitting comfortably? I'm going to begin.

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This is Bizzie's First Adventure.

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Bizzie is a little bee... BIZZIE BUZZES

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..who sets out to make some honey.

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When he took flight, the wind went whoosh...

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..and poor little Bizzie went swoosh.

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BIZZIE SQUEAKS IN DISTRESS

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Swishing and swooshing, tumbling and turning,

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will little Bizzie ever make his honey?

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And if your nerves can take it, you can see the full, terrifying

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version of both books being read by Karren and Claude on our website.

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So, here is their book, which is Bizzie's First Adventure.

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I don't know if you have had a chance to look at that - did you see it?

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Very briefly. You're already turning up your nose at it.

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I just think Snottledink's a lot better.

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OK, well, Cressida, what are your first impressions of the book?

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I think this is dull. That is the real problem with it.

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Even though it doesn't go into pollination in great detail,

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it might as well. I mean, it is dull, I'm sorry.

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Gaby, do you agree? I've always read to my kids

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and I absolutely love it and it is our special time.

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This is for a six-month-old. It doesn't scan and it is dull.

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You are like one of the mums in the playgroup, who said

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she thought it had been written BY a child.

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I think, they misunderstood the whole thing.

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I think the key thing about a rhyming book is, it has to rhyme.

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I'll give you an example here,

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'Bizzie was happy all of a sudden

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'when he saw the chance to get so much pollen.'

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Are you joking? Yeah. Like, that's...

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Also, to be honest with you, I'm opposed to the whole idea

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of a book about honey anyway.

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You know, it is bee slavery.

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And, you know, what they need to explain is how the beekeeper

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comes along and nicks it, without contributing anything to the

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production process and making a profit

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after the hard work of the bees.

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Let's highlight that.

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It's quite a high concept,

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but not all households are as much fun as yours, Romesh, evidently.

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Would any of you have used this book to teach their children

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about the production of honey and what bees are about, in seriousness?

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No. You wouldn't? No.

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OK, so, mixed reviews for the book and, if it hadn't been for a

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last-minute sale, it might have been Charleine in the boardroom this week.

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I'd like to put myself forward as project manager for this.

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I'm not going to say I have the best vocabulary or best English skills.

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Once there was a busy bee who set out on his first adventure

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to find some honey.

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But that doesn't rhyme. To find a pot of honey. Does it not?

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I think it does.

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Who am I speaking to? It's Richard.

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I want to hear David swishing and swooshing. Just leave us to it.

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Please, Charleine, please, can you just let us get on with it, please.

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No, can I hear David swishing and swooshing?

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Are you going to be pitching?

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Yes, I'm going to be pitching.

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Are you sure? I'm doing the pitch. Yeah? Yeah.

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OK, but the thing is... OK.

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Swishing and swooshing, will little Bizzie ever make his honey?

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You needed to take your strongest pitcher

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to the most professional people that you were pitching to and you didn't.

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Bad management decision there, I think.

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That look is called schadenfreude -

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or to put it in children's book terms - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

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On the whole, what was Charleine like as project manager?

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If Richard was here, obviously, I'd ask David.

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What did we think?

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I think, if I had to be told what to do by her, it would frustrate me

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a bit, as you could tell, people getting very frustrated

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with her, because her way was the only way

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and she wouldn't listen to everybody else.

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Whereas Sam... And everybody said he was indecisive,

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but at least he was listening to his team and being kind and warm

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and giving, whereas it was about her, I think, a bit.

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You think so? Cressida, what did you think? Well... She did, though.

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She came up with, actually, a better idea than the bee idea. Yes.

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She came up with the idea about the, erm... Comfort blanket. ..the comfort blanket

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and I thought that was... Oh, come on, a story about a blanket.

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Who wants to see that? It's better than the bee, trust me.

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And she did give way, I think, wrongly, probably, there...

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She gave way and she was keen on that bouncing and twirling bit.

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Swooshing. Swooshing - which was the only lively bit,

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so I think she did listen and I think she saved the day,

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as well, by selling all those books to the restaurant.

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She got lucky, didn't she? It was luck.

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It just felt like, at the last minute, they got a really good bit

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of good fortune and ended up winning with an inferior product.

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It was good for Charleine, because I think if she hadn't made

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that sale, they wouldn't have won and she would have been in trouble.

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She'd probably be sat here, instead of me.

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You could have been what absolutely saved the day for her. Definitely.

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The sub-team seemed very frustrated by her interference

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and trying to get David to do the swishing and swirling

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thing on the phone.

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But in fairness, she was the project manager,

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isn't that what she is supposed to do?

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But she asked for Richard to be her sub and, then,

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she wouldn't listen to anything. It was just to keep him happy.

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As well as sidelining Richard, by putting him into the sub-team,

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Charleine kept him away from the pitch, which he's really good at.

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Do think that she is letting her personal feelings interfere

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with her business decisions? Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Of course he should have done the pitch.

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If he had done the pitch - and he would have won -

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then she would have been delighted. If he had lost,

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then she could have brought him into the boardroom

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and gone for him completely.

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OK. Well, Mergim came in for some praise this week from Lord Sugar.

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He has already been trying to sell fish in a vegan restaurant.

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Now, he has sold several copies of his book to mothers in a focus group.

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He is emerging as one of these characters that would try

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and sell anything if it wasn't bolted down, wouldn't he?

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He a force to contend with, surely, in this process?

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I like Mergim. He's got a, sort of, an enthusiasm

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and an energy about him and he's always...

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He throws himself into everything. I do think that he's...

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Richard saying that's a deal. It's not a deal, is it?

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It's somebody at a nursery offering you a tenner just to leave.

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That is not a cool deal.

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But I think actually... Generally speaking, I think he's good.

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I think he's a good candidate.

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Natalie, how was Mergim? did you get on well with him?

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I hope you get to see more of him,

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cos he is one of the funniest people I've ever met.

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In the first task, we were all - "Who is this idiot?"

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We were like, "Who is he? What is wrong with him?"

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But then he, kind of, grew on everyone and everyone...

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He is so funny. He's just hilarious.

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He seemed a good... a good person to have around.

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He is. He is great have around.

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Throughout the series,

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Romesh has been looking into what it might be like to be a candidate.

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Romesh, what have you been up to this week?

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Well, I saw the task that the candidates did this week

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and I thought, because I've got children,

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I'm an expert in this area.

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So, I decided to come up with an innovative book of my own

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and I took to some bookshops, to see how many I could sell.

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Let's have a look at how you got on.

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Hello. Hello.

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I think I've got a once in a lifetime opportunity for you here.

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Hello, there. I've put together a book.

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OK.

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It's called -

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Santa Isn't Real.

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What do you think of that, as a concept?

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It's shocking and it looks appalling.

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Santa Isn't Real. That's the truth, kids.

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Have you seen the film, The Matrix?

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And I'm unplugging them from the Santa Matrix.

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Right in the middle of the pitch, it seems to be going pretty well.

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She is a little bit annoyed that I've stepped outside to talk to you,

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but it's just... I'm excited.

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Let's just cut to the chase. How many books would you like?

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None at all, thank you very much.

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Let's say, 20 books to start you off.

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It's a deal, it's a done deal.

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It's a done deal. You're robbing me. No way.

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So, you just want a small order? Erm, no, not really.

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What about five, just to get you started?

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Erm, no, I don't really think so.

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What if I lent you one

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and you see if there is any interest in it?

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This could be the next

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Harry Potter.

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What about if you just put one just here?

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Absolutely not. Goodbye.

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Thank you, but, er, no thank you.

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I think you're making a mistake, Simon.

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You'll regret this, Geraldine.

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I very much doubt it.

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LAUGHTER

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You could see they were tempted.

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I've come up with a whole range, actually.

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Just to give kids a real idea of what life is really like.

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Here's the next one in the series.

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You Will Never Be Truly Happy.

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Wow. And then I decided to come up with one that sort of helps

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the parents, as well as the kids.

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You know you have films that work for parents as well as kids.

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It's educational, as well as entertaining.

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It's called Mummy, Why Am I So Annoying?

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Natalie, what you think of Romesh's book?

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Actually, don't tell me in words. I want you to tell me

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using one of your famous facial expressions.

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So, is it Number 1 -

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A bit rubbish, but Romesh is in the room, so I can't really say.

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Or Number 2 - I'm glad I don't have to work with him, like you do, Jack.

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Or Number 3 - What you mean, the shredder is broken?

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It is, kind of, a combination of all three, I'd say.

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Yeah, fair comments on that one.

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So, Natalie, sadly, Lord Sugar isn't going to be investing

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in your business plan, but he has got some advice for you in the future.

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Let's have a look at what he has to say.

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I do like the way that Natalie sees things and actually sees them

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as they are and tells them as they are.

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But in some cases, she was a little bit to blunt.

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Throughout the period of time that Natalie was in the process,

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she claimed she was a great pitcher and presenter

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and I think, in the task on selling the books, she was very, very bad.

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And it was one of the reasons that led me to let Natalie go.

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Looking forwards, I think she really does need to brush up on those

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skills and she needs to develop a little bit more diplomacy.

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So, Natalie, what do you think? Which parts of that would you

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take on board. Which part of that advice would you go for?

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Mainly, to be less blunt. Where would you have changed that?

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Maybe when I was just responding to questions, I was very closed

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with how I responded and I should have been more open, I think,

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and look more like I was willing to take on board advice, rather than

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be like, "OK, whatever".

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It is time to find out whether we agree that Natalie was the right

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person to be fired tonight.

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Cressida, do you think Lord Sugar was right to fire Natalie at this point?

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Well, just because I really didn't want him to fire Sam,

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because I thought that it was a good book

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and it was a travesty that you lost, your team lost.

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So, yes, I would have fired you.

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Gaby?

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Meeting you in real life, you are a joy and charming

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but I'm afraid I do think he was right, because of the pitching.

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I do apologise. No, I agree.

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And last, but... Well, last - Romesh.

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LAUGHTER

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I don't think you should have been fired. I'm very surprised.

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I think you had a bad pitch, but I thought that Sam...

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as much as I like him, I think his poor direction,

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in terms of the business side of things, is what let the team down.

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Interesting. Good comment.

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And so to the audience. Folks, if you agree with Lord Sugar,

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hold up Fired. If you disagree, hold up Hired.

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DRAMATIC MUSIC

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That is looking pretty much like a Fired, Natalie, though...

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There is quite a big support group behind you, though. My grandma.

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Your grandmother. She has been threatening people on your behalf, has she?

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Natalie, we are really sorry to be losing you from The Apprentice,

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cos you've been a great candidate

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and a great character to follow and a wonderful guest on You're Fired.

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As you know, nobody leaves You're Fired empty-handed

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and, in the hopes that we could get just maybe one

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more of your wonderful facial expressions... Oh, God.

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..I prepared this for you.

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Good Lord.

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Well, I did it. Don't laugh.

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I don't really know what to say.

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Thanks? That's for you.

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Natalie, you have given us some great moments.

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Let's have a look at your highlights.

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# I really, really, really, really, really like you. #

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Lots of people have ideas, but ideas don't move mountains.

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It's bulldozers that do that and I'd describe myself as a bulldozer.

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Don't pull that face.

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She is just so funny, she has got an opinion about everybody,

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but does it in a humorous way. Yeah, I really like Natalie.

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Quatre. S'il vous plait?

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Natalie is the biggest talker I've ever met in my life.

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She, literally, goes to bed talking

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and, before she is even awake in the morning,

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her mouth opens and the words start formulating. It's hilarious.

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I made sushi, I never thought I'd do that.

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Natalie is cuckoo.

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You can tell she is happy. She is a lovely, lovely person.

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APPLAUSE

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That was nice. Ladies and gentlemen, Natalie Dean.

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That's all for tonight, thank you to Cressida, Gaby and of course Romesh.

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So, it on to task number six for our candidates.

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Any business partner of mine

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needs to know that making money involves hard work.

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You go like this. Sshhhh.

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# I want to build you up. #

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I can just about put together some flatpack furniture. Great.

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If we get this bid, do we have to do it?

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I propose it's easier to just paint the walls, mate.

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You've missed the deadline.

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We're not arguing about it. Listen, guys, we're cracking on with it.

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How much? ?500. How'd you come to that?

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What a complete waste of time.

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I think they're meant to be like this.

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We're just going to gut it out.

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There's a fork there which you might find useful. Wow.

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It could be a disaster.

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I need some help with the weeding. I need some help with the bush,

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there's too much bush. Voila.

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He's got the right to say, it was an incomplete job,

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I'm not going to pay you.

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We've painted over somebody's cat. LAUGHTER

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I cannot wait and if you missed any episodes of The Apprentice,

0:28:280:28:31

Matt Edmondson has made a handy round-up of the series so far

0:28:310:28:34

on BBC iPlayer.

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We will be back next Wednesday at 10pm, for more You're Fired

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when, alongside Romesh, I'll be joined by international

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entrepreneur, Lara Morgan and comedian Joe Lycett. Good night.

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Battery life on smartphones is the best thing about them,

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cos when the battery runs out, then I'll interact with my kids.

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We're down the park, I'm like, "Well, that's run out.

0:29:250:29:27

"Better find out where they're going with those old men."

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