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This programme contains some strong language.

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Tonight on the show, the star of the hit BBC drama The Night Manager

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and one of the hottest men around. OK, just get ready.

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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, here he is, it's Tom Hiddleston!

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CHEERING

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Let's start the show!

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Hello! Oh! Thank you very much.

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Thank you! Thank you!

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I know, I know, I'm not Tom, I'm not Tom!

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Hello and welcome. We've got a great show tonight.

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I tell you, I couldn't be more excited

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than if I was a Leicester City supporter.

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APPLAUSE Yes, even I know about this!

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Even I! LAUGHTER

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Well done, Leicester. Isn't it great? It's lovely!

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APPLAUSE

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It is a fabulous, fabulous story.

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From the Thai owners to the Italian manager,

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it's a fantastic example of British talent coming through.

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LAUGHTER

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The names, of course, of the players are going to be legendary,

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Jamie Vardy...

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..the others. LAUGHTER

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Hey! And on the subject of unfancied outsiders winning big,

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it looks like Donald Trump

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will be running for American president.

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I know, it's going to happen! AUDIENCE HISS AND JEER

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Of course, in this country a "trump" is an unpleasant smell

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that comes from an anus.

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Same way as it is in America.

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Hey! Let's get some guests on!

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CHEERING

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Later we'll have music from CHVRCHES.

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But first, this woman is a star of Live At The Apollo,

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QI, Mock The Week and W1A.

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She's one of the UK's brightest comedians,

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now turned author,

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please welcome, for the first time, it's Sara Pascoe!

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APPLAUSE Hello, Sara Pascoe!

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Mmm! Kissing, showbiz kissing! Come in, sit down!

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Hello, thank you!

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From action in Con Air, drama in Dangerous Liaisons,

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and the surreal in Being John Malkovich,

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this man is one of the world's most versatile actors

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of stage and screen.

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Please welcome John Malkovich, everybody!

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CHEERING

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Hello, sir.

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Lovely to see you. Have a seat.

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Pulp Fiction, Star Wars and The Avengers,

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this man has been in over 150 films

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and has taken an incredible 4 billion at the box office.

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Please welcome the King Of Cool, Samuel L Jackson!

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CHEERING

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Whoo!

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How are you? Nice to see you. Come in and sit down.

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He rose to fame as Marvel's villainous Loki

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and recently wowed us in the BBC hit drama The Night Manager.

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Now he brings us a virtuoso performance

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as Hank Williams in I Saw The Light,

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please welcome Mr Tom Hiddleston.

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CHEERING

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Hello. Lovely to see you. Sit down, sit down, sit down.

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So, welcome, all.

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-It is a warm, first welcome to Sara. Hi.

-Hello.

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Everyone else has been on before.

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Tom, have you recovered from your last appearance?

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Erm... Just about, yeah!

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Have you told the others about what happened last time?

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-I don't think I have.

-You were halfway through telling me

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and then we had to come out here.

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Oh! Well, you will listen with interest now!

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LAUGHTER

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I was sitting in your position

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and in my position was sat the great American actor

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Robert De Niro.

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And I was challenged, requested... Required?

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Suggested, I think! LAUGHTER

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..by Graham, to do an impersonation of Robert De Niro

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in front of Robert De Niro.

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To this day, I still don't know why I did that!

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LAUGHTER We have got a still.

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A still of the moment. There you are with your De Niro face.

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LAUGHTER

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The face is good.

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And there you have Robert De Niro down the other end, just going,

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"You mean this face?"

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Now, here's a thing.

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John Malkovich, I was saying this to you in the corridor,

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you've never been in a film with Samuel L Jackson.

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-No.

-Cos you've both been in a lot of films.

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It is weird there is no Venn diagram where you are both in there.

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None of my movies are serious and he is a serious actor.

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-No, no, I was in Con Air!

-LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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If that's serious, I'm an astronaut.

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I wanted to be in that movie!

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-Sara Pascoe, I'm saying "Sarah" - it is SAY-RAH?

-It is SAY-RAH.

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-Cos there is no "h".

-No. It is spelt without an "h".

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Sometime's people think it is SA-RA, but it's not.

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But it worked out in my favour, actually,

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cos there is a woman who is called Sarah Pascoe, with an "h".

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And for ages... You know, people, comics especially,

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they always talk about getting abuse on Twitter and stuff,

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and I was always kind of backstage, being very sympathetic,

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but thinking, "I'm just universally loved."

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And then I got an e-mail from a woman, through my website,

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who says, "Can you warn me the next time you're on television?

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"Because I'm getting a lot of messages

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"saying that I'm a fat bitch!"

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-And, so... Sorry, Sarah Pascoe!

-With an "h"!

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And I am sorry, because I recently checked back

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to see if she was still on Twitter

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and she has changed her little bio to

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"Not the one who was shit on Live At The Apollo."

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AUDIENCE: Aaaw!

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Ooh! Everyone is a critic. LAUGHTER

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Tom Hiddleston, have you ever had any bad reviews? No.

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Ahhh... You make a man feel good, Graham!

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No, I was in a play,

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I had never, ever been professionally reviewed.

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And in the paper the next day was a British theatre critic

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who said I was completely out of place,

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too young, too RADA...

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..and projecting about as much masculinity...as Graham Norton.

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE Wow!

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That's good! That's good!

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I've been dragged into your bad review!

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-I'm sorry!

-No, don't apologise!

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I've been dragged into your bad review!

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I wasn't even there!

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-Like it's your fault!

-Yes!

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As I sit across from you now I think how terrifically butch you are.

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I know! I've really made an effort tonight!

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LAUGHTER Oh, dear!

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Now, Tom Hiddleston, you bring us a new biopic

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telling the life story of the country and western star

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Hank Williams.

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It's called I Saw The Light, it opens tonight.

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Hank Williams, it's a name that...

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Particularly British people, we know the name,

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but we're not quite sure

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of where he is in the country and western pantheon,

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what his songs are, why his life is interesting.

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Basically, he is considered as one of the godfathers of American music,

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he was almost the first guy doing a particular thing.

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He was from Mount Olive, Alabama, he was born in 1923,

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and he became a huge star

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and he wrote some of the most recognisable songs

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in the American song book.

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Just to help people, name some of the hits.

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Hey Good Looking is one of them.

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# What ya got cooking? #

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-"What ya got cooking?"

-LAUGHTER

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Erm... Move It On Over, Lovesick Blues,

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Why Don't You Love Me?

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I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry, Cold, Cold Heart...

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-Are you still naming songs?

-LAUGHTER

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He's having a breakdown!

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LAUGHTER

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And for you, obviously, it is a big acting challenge

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because it's a real person, it's a specific accent,

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but what's really phenomenal is the music that you perform.

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-Thank you.

-And you hadn't done this.

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Never. I was never in a band, never in the choir.

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Singing was exclusively for an audience of one in the shower - me.

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-Badly.

-Thanks for pointing that out!

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LAUGHTER

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-Just in case anybody got any ideas!

-Hiding in hotel rooms!

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You didn't play the guitar before, and you play it in this?

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-I play in this. I play everything...

-And you'd never played?

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I had noodled around. I noodled around as a student,

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I learnt Knocking On Heaven's Door, and Simple Twist of Fate...

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What was the...? Because, you know, it's not just singing.

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It is very specific singing, the yodelling and everything.

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Presumably not everyone can do that.

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-No.

-So if you had discovered you couldn't do it,

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were they going to fire you,

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or were they going to dub Hank Williams?

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-What was going to happen?

-I honestly don't know.

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-Can you yodel as Robert De Niro?

-LAUGHTER

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It's one of your talents!

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Uh... Let me check.

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No!

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-Give us a little yodel.

-It goes a little something like this...

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Erm... Oh, God. Here we go.

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CLICKS FINGERS TO BEAT

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YODELLING # She's long gone

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# And I am

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# A lonesome blue. #

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Lovely. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Let's look at a clip. This is you as Hank Williams

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performing with Hank's wife and mother looking on.

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-OK.

-Here we go.

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# When you are sad and lonely

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# And have no place to go

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# Come to see me, baby

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# And bring home some dough

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# And we'll go honky tonkin' Honky tonkin'

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# Honky tonkin', honey, baby

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# We'll go honky tonkin' around this town... #

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How much you got there?

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I'm under no obligation to you.

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That goes both ways, huh?

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Keep drinking like a fish.

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You think so?

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# Honky tonkin', honey, baby

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# We'll go honky tonkin' around this town... #

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APPLAUSE

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Thank you.

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What was the performance...?

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Was that the performance they made you do considerably more than once?

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No, that song was in my wheelhouse, actually.

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Lovesick Blues, which is the song that made him a star,

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it has a very technical yodel in it.

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I love that phrase! "A very technical yodel!"

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Not one of those easy ones you do in the shower, yeah.

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-OK, how many takes?

-56.

-Wow! AUDIENCE GASP

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-Whoa!

-LAUGHTER

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Oooh!

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Samuel L Jackson, takes aren't a thing you're keen on?

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I'm here to bear witness to the fact that Sam likes to move fast.

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Very true!

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I don't vary that much. I'm not that actor.

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I do the same thing all the time.

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But sometimes, and I can speak from experience,

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Sam is so charismatic,

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and he has been for as many years as you've been making movies.

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Well done!

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But sometimes you are in a scene with Sam

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and you just kind of go out of the scene

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and you are just watching Sam...being Sam,

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and it's really powerful

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and you go, "Hang on a second, what's my line?"

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I've only had that, well...

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I was doing a movie with Dustin Hoffman

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and in the middle of the shot,

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Dustin just stops and goes, "Wait. Cut, cut.

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"Sam, I saw you."

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I said, "You saw me what? What?"

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And he said, "I saw you say to yourself,

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"'Oh, my God, that's Dustin Hoffman!'"

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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"I'm like, 'Shut up!'"

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"You were amazed!"

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"'Oh, my God, I'm acting with Dustin Hoffman.'"

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Was it in Dangerous Liaisons, John,

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you had the person who was coaching you on historical accuracy?

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He was a count, the Count of something or other...

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LAUGHTER

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..and he came to the chateaux where we were shooting

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and I think probably somebody involved with the film,

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I don't know, the studio or the director,

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or somebody, had decided that probably I might require

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some tutoring in some of these historical notions and customs.

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And so he watched us rehearse a scene

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and someone came in, and I bowed,

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and he said to me,

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"I know 2,000 bows from this period,

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"and that doesn't seem to me to be one of them."

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LAUGHTER

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Too many bows to have memorised, too many.

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And I said, "Well, now you know 2,001!"

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LAUGHTER

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-Yeah.

-Hey, we've got to mention The Night Manager,

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Tom Hiddleston.

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What a huge success that thing was. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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I mean, it was really good, you were great in it.

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It is on in America now, isn't it?

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Yes, it just aired episode three this week.

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-What is it on, over there? AMC?

-AMC.

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-I'm recording it.

-Oh, I see, yes!

-Don't tell me!

-OK!

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You have already said no more,

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but haven't the BBC said that there is more?

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What is the truth, Tom?

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Erm... Goodness, OK.

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The truth is, we have got to the end of the adaptation of the novel,

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so The Night Manager novel by John le Carre has been adapted,

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there is no more Night Manager to adapt.

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No more Night to Manage, thus far!

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Isn't it his son who has the production company that makes it?

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-That's right, yes.

-So there will be more, won't there?

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LAUGHTER

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He'll think of something else for that manager to do!

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-You never know.

-"He's the day manager now!"

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LAUGHTER

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We must ask you, James Bond, Tom Hiddleston,

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what's the scoop, what's going on?

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Listen to that!

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-Listen to that.

-Yes!

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-Well, Graham, what can I tell you?

-I don't know!

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LAUGHTER

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-Has anyone talked to you about it?

-No, no-one's talked to me at all.

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Are you allowed to talk about it if they talk to you about it,

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or is there a non-disclosure, even in the chat?

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I promise you, no-one's talked to me about it.

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I think it's come about because in The Night Manager

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I play a spy and we all know in the iconography of British culture

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there is a spy that we all know, and his name is James Bond,

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so people have made the link.

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Also, I've always wanted to see him yodel.

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LAUGHTER

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Double-oh ho-ho! That'd be good!

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APPLAUSE

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Now, we must mention, Samuel L Jackson,

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you're back as a spokesperson for One For The Boys,

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-which raises awareness of men's cancer.

-Male cancer, yes.

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I've never asked you this, because you've been on to talk about it

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before, but how did you get involved?

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Have you had a scare yourself? Is it a personal thing?

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No, actually, the young lady that does my publicity or

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publicity bookings when I'm here in the UK,

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Sophia Davies, had a friend who passed,

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who never said anything.

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All of a sudden, he was just sick and dead. Boom.

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She was very disturbed by that,

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and we had conversations about men

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and why they don't talk like women do

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or have this whole pink thing going on and check themselves.

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So she decided we need to figure out a way to get men

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talking about cancer and let them know that a lot of men

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in this country die from cancer.

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That's what it's about, trying to get men to understand

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that they get the same kinds of cancer that women do.

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Men get breast cancer, skin cancer,

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we have testicular cancer, they have uterine cancer.

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But all this stuff is... A body is a body.

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We want guys to know that if you feel something,

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say something to somebody, go get checked.

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Early detection, 90% of the time you get taken care of and safe,

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you don't have to go through misery.

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Years before, we've always done things that are light-hearted,

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we have a golf tournament, the fashion ball every year

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that's connected to Men's Fashion Week.

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This year, for a change, we have another film -

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we make a film every year, about men's cancer.

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They're usually light-hearted and fun and we make people laugh

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in the seriousness of the moment.

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But this year we decided to do something a little more heavy.

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Let's have a look at the film.

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You can't turn back the clock.

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Cancer waits for no man.

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Acting early could mean the difference between death and life.

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There are people waiting to help you,

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and getting their help early could stop a little worry

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from becoming a big problem.

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You may save a life today.

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Your own.

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APPLAUSE

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You know, it's a serious subject, a dark subject,

0:18:230:18:27

-but in the end there is hope for people if they do act early.

-Yeah.

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There's lots to be done.

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-Very much so.

-Why do you think it is

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that men don't talk about their health as much, then?

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Because we're always taught to be tough. It's a sign of weakness.

0:18:380:18:42

We just don't do it.

0:18:420:18:45

As actors, we go to the doctor more than everybody,

0:18:450:18:48

because every time you do a movie

0:18:480:18:49

everybody wants you to get a physical.

0:18:490:18:52

You know. I don't care...

0:18:520:18:54

I bitch out every year about how many times do I have to do this?

0:18:540:18:57

Don't they have a database?

0:18:570:19:00

Every insurance company wants their own physical,

0:19:000:19:02

so we get checked a lot.

0:19:020:19:04

Now, Sara Pascoe - talking of charity -

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you have had a charity idea.

0:19:070:19:10

-Yes...

-It's not in the same vein, but I still think very good.

0:19:100:19:13

Kind of. It's going to seem very flippant

0:19:130:19:15

after what we've just been talking about.

0:19:150:19:17

In my defence, before I start.

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But I'm very worried about myself, when I get older,

0:19:190:19:22

I have quite a hairy face, I've got polycystic ovaries.

0:19:220:19:26

And I'm worried about what happens

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when I'm a really old lady in hospital.

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And without anybody to perhaps check me with some tweezers.

0:19:320:19:37

So this is my charity idea - I'm looking for volunteers.

0:19:370:19:42

Basically, what happened is young women go into hospital wards

0:19:420:19:47

and just pluck the chins and faces of older women for them.

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So they can be ill respectfully.

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And it's going to be called Digni-tash...

0:19:560:19:58

LAUGHTER

0:19:580:20:00

..and we're looking for your support.

0:20:000:20:03

APPLAUSE It's good! I like it.

0:20:030:20:05

I don't want to be indelicate, but, Samuel,

0:20:080:20:12

you have recently lost your title

0:20:120:20:15

-as the highest-grossing actor of all time.

-Yeah.

0:20:150:20:19

LAUGHTER

0:20:190:20:21

-I've been displaced.

-By...?

0:20:210:20:24

Harrison Ford. Again.

0:20:240:20:25

I displaced him, he displaced me, but hey - it's only 70 mil.

0:20:250:20:28

Pfft!

0:20:280:20:29

LAUGHTER

0:20:290:20:32

I got him covered in July.

0:20:320:20:34

He's lucky I'm not in Captain America 3 now.

0:20:360:20:39

-Have you seen the new Star Wars?

-Yeah.

-OK.

0:20:410:20:44

All right!

0:20:440:20:46

LAUGHTER

0:20:460:20:47

It would have been better with you in it.

0:20:480:20:51

-That's the bottom line.

-Or more popular, anyway.

0:20:510:20:55

It couldn't be more popular.

0:20:550:20:57

Yes, it could!

0:20:570:20:58

I haven't seen it and I would have watched it if you were in.

0:21:010:21:03

You see? Right there, right there.

0:21:030:21:05

-But you do watch all your films, is this right?

-Yes, I do.

0:21:050:21:09

Religiously.

0:21:090:21:11

I do, I watch them at home, I go to the theatre.

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I know when I have a movie that's opening,

0:21:140:21:17

I know it's going to make at least 1,000 that weekend

0:21:170:21:20

because I buy 1,000 worth of tickets.

0:21:200:21:24

And I give them to the church,

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or I give them to somebody and their kids go.

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But I go to the movie after the movie's been open for a moment,

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to see what normal people are saying or doing

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while they're watching the film, to see how they react to it.

0:21:360:21:39

You go to a premiere, everybody is there to kiss your ass, come on.

0:21:390:21:43

"I loved the movie! Oh, my God, you were amazing!" You know?

0:21:430:21:45

You go with some regular people and they go, "This movie sucked!"

0:21:450:21:49

"But that Sam Jackson was the shit! He's always the shit!"

0:21:510:21:55

So, yeah, I go, I like it.

0:21:550:21:56

And if I'm sitting at home...

0:21:560:21:58

APPLAUSE

0:21:580:22:01

If I'm channel surfing and there's nothing else on,

0:22:020:22:06

I go to the search engine and go Samuel L Jackson. Boom.

0:22:060:22:09

It's the truth.

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And I watch it.

0:22:130:22:14

Aren't you the opposite, John? You don't go to see anything.

0:22:140:22:18

Do you avoid everything?

0:22:180:22:19

Have you seen...Con Air?

0:22:220:22:25

No.

0:22:250:22:27

OK.

0:22:270:22:28

To give people an idea

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of how much John doesn't like to see his own films,

0:22:290:22:32

you've just done a new film, and it's called 100 Years.

0:22:320:22:36

And it comes out - put it in your diaries -

0:22:360:22:38

on the 18th of November 2115.

0:22:380:22:43

LAUGHTER

0:22:430:22:45

Have you really made that film?

0:22:480:22:51

I have, Graham. Sadly, I must say,

0:22:510:22:53

it's not the first one I've made that no living person will ever see.

0:22:530:22:59

Let's be clear.

0:22:590:23:01

I have made that film with Robert Rodriguez.

0:23:010:23:05

It's a short film

0:23:050:23:10

for the French cognac company Remy Martin

0:23:100:23:14

and that cognac takes 100 years to make.

0:23:140:23:19

So they came to me with this idea

0:23:190:23:22

to do a film that wouldn't be seen for 100 years.

0:23:220:23:28

And it's actually done, it's completed,

0:23:280:23:30

it's sitting in a vault in Cognac.

0:23:300:23:33

And I have these kind of metal tickets...

0:23:330:23:37

APPLAUSE

0:23:370:23:39

LAUGHTER

0:23:390:23:41

-Cognac fans.

-There's some cognac fans at the back.

0:23:410:23:43

Or just drinkers. "He said cognac!"

0:23:430:23:46

Or they're very young.

0:23:460:23:47

"We're the only people who'll still be alive in 100 years!

0:23:470:23:50

"We'll have killed everything by then!"

0:23:500:23:52

I'm sure John Malkovich fans will still be alive and waiting.

0:23:520:23:55

Because fans are such a big thing in your world.

0:23:550:23:58

Samuel L Jackson, you've had some very famous fans.

0:23:580:24:01

I'm thinking about the person -

0:24:010:24:03

was it a Michael Jackson tribute or concert?

0:24:030:24:07

Oh, yeah. Michael Jackson was doing...

0:24:070:24:10

I don't know what he was doing.

0:24:100:24:12

LAUGHTER

0:24:120:24:14

He was having a series of concerts in New York.

0:24:140:24:18

And I was there one night to introduce Whitney Houston and Usher.

0:24:180:24:23

I was standing backstage waiting to introduce them.

0:24:230:24:26

Somebody walked up behind me

0:24:260:24:28

and started reciting the Ezekiel speech, which happens a lot.

0:24:280:24:32

So I was like, who the fuck is this?

0:24:320:24:35

I turn around

0:24:370:24:39

and it's Marlon Brando!

0:24:390:24:40

Oh, wow!

0:24:400:24:42

I let him finish and I'm like, "Oh, my God,

0:24:420:24:44

"it's Marlon Brando, reciting a speech from my movie?"

0:24:440:24:49

He said, "I love that movie."

0:24:490:24:50

This was awesome.

0:24:500:24:52

So he's like, "We need to talk." He gives me his phone number,

0:24:520:24:55

and naturally when I get back home I call him.

0:24:550:24:58

And when I call the number, it's a Chinese restaurant.

0:24:580:25:02

LAUGHTER

0:25:020:25:03

I go...

0:25:030:25:05

Is Mr Brando having dinner there? They go, hold on.

0:25:050:25:08

Sure enough, he comes on the phone.

0:25:080:25:10

LAUGHTER

0:25:100:25:12

And every time I call that number,

0:25:150:25:17

it was either a Chinese restaurant or a Chinese laundry.

0:25:170:25:20

But whoever answered the phone,

0:25:200:25:22

that's how they answered the phone for him.

0:25:220:25:24

And you had to ask for him specifically to get him.

0:25:240:25:27

But also, the big thing fans have is fan art.

0:25:270:25:30

Sara Pascoe, I know you have had that accolade

0:25:300:25:33

of people sending you fan art.

0:25:330:25:35

I've got one piece and I think fan art is a strong word.

0:25:350:25:39

We've got a picture, shall we see it first?

0:25:390:25:41

OK. So, it's of me.

0:25:410:25:44

-Actually, it's worth saying that it's of you.

-Yes!

0:25:440:25:47

-It's of me.

-This is the fan art of Sara Pascoe.

0:25:470:25:51

The reason I think fan art is a very loose term

0:25:530:25:56

is that I was given this at a gig in lieu of payment.

0:25:560:26:00

I don't want to brag about my career.

0:26:000:26:04

That's because the guy who ran the gig

0:26:040:26:06

had spent too much at the bar to pay me.

0:26:060:26:09

So he painted that?

0:26:090:26:11

After being at the bar?

0:26:110:26:13

-What are those bits?

-I just think they're free...

0:26:130:26:17

biscuits?

0:26:170:26:19

Or doughnuts or something.

0:26:190:26:21

Have you been sent pictures of people

0:26:210:26:24

who tattooed your face on their bodies?

0:26:240:26:26

Oh, no, I'm not there yet.

0:26:260:26:29

-Have you got there?

-Yeah!

-One day.

0:26:290:26:31

I get them in my Twitter feed all the time.

0:26:310:26:33

These guys who have their whole calves,

0:26:330:26:35

or a picture of Jules on their chest.

0:26:350:26:38

Or Nick Fury.

0:26:380:26:40

People love the Avengers.

0:26:400:26:41

And now, Tom Hiddleston, you have fan art,

0:26:410:26:44

but such specific fan art.

0:26:440:26:46

There's a lot, yeah.

0:26:460:26:47

Does it all come from this one scene?

0:26:470:26:49

Was it the first Thor movie with the spear?

0:26:490:26:52

Oh, right, right. Yeah.

0:26:520:26:53

Yes, there's a scene in the first Thor film

0:26:530:26:57

where I'm trying to attack Thor - Chris Hemsworth as Thor -

0:26:570:27:00

with a spear.

0:27:000:27:02

And I jump in the air and he dodges out of the way

0:27:020:27:06

and I bring the spear down and it wedges itself into the floor.

0:27:060:27:10

Then I use it to spin myself around and kick him in the chest.

0:27:100:27:16

Which has been interpreted by fans as a demonstration

0:27:160:27:21

of my hidden talent at pole dancing.

0:27:210:27:24

Pole dancer!

0:27:240:27:26

Seriously, there is so much of this,

0:27:260:27:30

this is just one example of Loki really going for it on the pole.

0:27:300:27:35

Oh, my God!

0:27:350:27:37

APPLAUSE

0:27:370:27:39

-JOHN:

-Is that Japanese, by chance?

0:27:420:27:44

And that's what you wear in the movie?

0:27:440:27:47

Have you not seen it? Yeah, that's Loki's outfit.

0:27:470:27:50

-I've not seen that one.

-Oh, really?

0:27:500:27:52

We'll print it out, you can take it home.

0:27:520:27:55

It's a broad church tonight,

0:27:550:27:57

because John Malkovich is directing a play called Good Canary.

0:27:570:28:01

It's on at the Rose Theatre, down in Kingston.

0:28:010:28:03

It's from the 16th of September until the 8th of October.

0:28:030:28:06

Is this the third time you've directed this film?

0:28:060:28:09

-It is.

-Or play.

-Play.

-Play!

0:28:090:28:11

Play, I'm all over it. Play, play.

0:28:110:28:13

-Play.

-Play.

0:28:130:28:14

But this is the first time in English?

0:28:140:28:16

First time in English, yeah.

0:28:160:28:18

But it was written in English?

0:28:180:28:20

It was written in English.

0:28:200:28:22

And in 2007, I had it translated.

0:28:220:28:26

And we did it in Paris.

0:28:260:28:28

And then, 2009, had it translated into Spanish in that case,

0:28:280:28:34

and did it in Mexico City.

0:28:340:28:37

And then it toured around in Mexico and toured around in France also.

0:28:370:28:41

And this will be the first production in English.

0:28:410:28:43

And basically, what is the story, what is it about?

0:28:430:28:47

Part of the story I can't really tell,

0:28:470:28:50

because that's what happens in the play.

0:28:500:28:54

Which would be quite a spoiler.

0:28:540:28:57

But it's essentially about a young couple,

0:28:570:29:03

the male of the couple has just had his first novel

0:29:030:29:09

published and reviewed, which has become an enormous success.

0:29:090:29:16

And he's married to a quite difficult,

0:29:160:29:23

fantastic character.

0:29:230:29:27

Speed addict.

0:29:270:29:29

And general lunatic.

0:29:290:29:32

The Rose gets all these big, huge names now.

0:29:340:29:37

-Yeah.

-My ex-boyfriend works there.

0:29:370:29:41

If you see Kieron, say hello.

0:29:410:29:43

What does he do?

0:29:450:29:47

Actually, I shouldn't have said that because that's true!

0:29:470:29:50

Shh! Shut up!

0:29:500:29:52

Half a glass of champagne.

0:29:520:29:54

"That bastard!"

0:29:540:29:55

If you want somebody to play the speed addict,

0:29:570:30:00

keep me in mind!

0:30:000:30:01

LAUGHTER

0:30:010:30:03

That's enough now!

0:30:060:30:07

Now, Sara Pascoe has published an autobiography called Animal.

0:30:090:30:13

I say it's an autobiography, it's sort of the story of your life...

0:30:130:30:16

It's got some autobiographical details,

0:30:160:30:18

but it's not an autobiography per se.

0:30:180:30:20

It's a kind of very light-hearted science book

0:30:200:30:22

about how the female body evolved.

0:30:220:30:25

That sounds like a joke, but it is. That is what it is.

0:30:250:30:28

And you did lots of research, you lived as a woman.

0:30:280:30:30

I have. Almost since I was born. And...

0:30:300:30:34

Yeah... So it kind of worked its way out of an Edinburgh show,

0:30:340:30:38

so in 2014, I'd been researching for an Edinburgh show and I wanted to

0:30:380:30:41

talk about female sexuality and I found out about kamikaze sperm.

0:30:410:30:46

Do you know what I mean by that? No. No. Let me tell you.

0:30:470:30:50

So, basically, men have two kinds of sperm -

0:30:500:30:54

kamikaze and egg-getters - and kamikaze can't fertilise an egg.

0:30:540:30:59

What they do is they fight other men's sperm

0:30:590:31:01

when they're mixed together, so they have a fight or they block...

0:31:010:31:04

-And how do they get mixed together?

-Well, this is the next question.

0:31:040:31:07

-This is the next logical question.

-I think I can answer that, John.

0:31:070:31:11

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

0:31:110:31:13

Just checking.

0:31:150:31:17

Whenever anyone talks about this,

0:31:170:31:19

and it is the generation I think I grew up in, all I can think about is

0:31:190:31:24

the opening sequence of Look Who's Talking with Bruce Willis

0:31:240:31:29

and you can hear Bruce Willis saying, "Hey, man, let me through!"

0:31:290:31:32

For ages, for ages, I thought

0:31:330:31:35

I could remember being in the womb because of the beginning

0:31:350:31:38

of that film and my memory was actually being those guys.

0:31:380:31:41

But the book, it also...

0:31:430:31:45

We should say there are some serious things in the book and there's

0:31:450:31:48

a lot of really honest, brutally honest stuff about your own life in the book.

0:31:480:31:52

Yes. I didn't really realise how honest it was until other

0:31:520:31:55

people responded to it like, "Oh, I can't believe you've told everyone,"

0:31:550:31:58

but I'm a bit like that after a wine. I can't help it.

0:31:580:32:01

I tell everyone else's secrets.

0:32:010:32:03

I keep going, "I'm a Gemini, I'm a communicator."

0:32:030:32:07

Not an excuse.

0:32:070:32:08

But on stage, I mean, it does seem like that you

0:32:080:32:12

and your boyfriend, in different comedy clubs, on any night

0:32:120:32:15

of the week, are workshopping your relationship in front of strangers.

0:32:150:32:20

That's a nice way of putting it!

0:32:200:32:22

You did a thing about his body shape he didn't like.

0:32:220:32:25

The thing is I love my boyfriend's body

0:32:250:32:26

and so it was with complete affection I talked about it.

0:32:260:32:29

He's a 34-year-old man, he's got very thin arms and legs

0:32:290:32:34

and a massive belly, and I was doing stand-up,

0:32:340:32:37

because I loved that belly.

0:32:370:32:39

He looks pregnant, I love to stroke it and imagine it's our child.

0:32:390:32:43

And, erm... Complimentary!

0:32:430:32:45

And then he heard me saying it and he went on a diet

0:32:450:32:49

and I felt really bad and he only lost weight from his arms and legs.

0:32:490:32:52

LAUGHTER

0:32:520:32:53

I do feel terrible about it.

0:32:530:32:56

It's horrible, isn't it? I'm a horrible girlfriend.

0:32:560:33:00

And I'm sure when he hears the reaction to that joke...

0:33:000:33:03

I know I've just made it worse.

0:33:030:33:05

Now, this... I have heard you tell a story and it is...

0:33:050:33:09

I mean, I don't know if you have limits in the things you talk about,

0:33:090:33:12

-but you did talk, in the past, about your cat...

-Oh, yes.

0:33:120:33:16

And it's quite a personal story. Do you mind...?

0:33:160:33:18

-I don't mind telling you. It's two cats I had.

-It's two?

-Yes, and we'd gone to...

0:33:180:33:21

I don't have them any more, because I split up with that boyfriend

0:33:210:33:24

and they live now with his mum and that's another happy...

0:33:240:33:27

-Say hello to Kieran.

-Is this the one at the theatre?

-No, it's a different boyfriend.

0:33:270:33:30

So, basically, we got them from Battersea Cats & Dogs Home

0:33:300:33:33

and they were called Ashley and Topaz,

0:33:330:33:35

and so then I changed their names to Archie and Thelma, because

0:33:350:33:38

I didn't go to university for three years to have working-class cats.

0:33:380:33:42

And obviously, cats are brilliant, brilliant pets

0:33:420:33:44

and they're beautiful animals and I love them very much

0:33:440:33:47

and what's embarrassing about this st...

0:33:470:33:50

Basically, I got a vibrator...

0:33:500:33:52

For reasons... Let's not share those.

0:33:520:33:54

And...I got a vibrator and I couldn't enjoy it,

0:33:540:33:59

because whenever I switched it on, the cats, no matter where

0:33:590:34:03

they were in the house, they thought it was another cat purring.

0:34:030:34:06

And they rushed to make friends with it.

0:34:090:34:11

-Was that the bit you meant?

-Yeah, that's the one.

-That's the bit.

0:34:130:34:16

-True story.

-I love that story!

0:34:160:34:20

-You had two cats and a rabbit.

-LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

0:34:200:34:24

It's time for music. This band, they have had an incredible five years.

0:34:300:34:33

From their critically-acclaimed first album

0:34:330:34:36

to selling out venues worldwide.

0:34:360:34:37

Here performing their single Leave A Trace, please welcome CHVRCHES!

0:34:370:34:41

# I gave up on time Just like you said you would

0:34:530:34:57

# There are tiny cracks of light underneath me

0:34:570:35:01

# And you say I got it wrong

0:35:010:35:05

# But I tried hard to uncover them

0:35:050:35:08

# I have somehow got away with everything

0:35:120:35:16

# Anything you ever did was strictly by design

0:35:160:35:20

# But you got it wrong

0:35:200:35:24

# And I'll go anywhere but there

0:35:240:35:26

# And you had best believe

0:35:300:35:33

# That you cannot build what I don't need

0:35:330:35:35

# And I know I need to feel relief

0:35:350:35:40

# And I know you'll never fold

0:35:400:35:42

# But I believe nothing that I'm told

0:35:420:35:45

# And I know I need to feel relief

0:35:450:35:50

# I know I need to feel released

0:35:500:35:54

# Take care to tell it just as it was

0:35:540:35:57

# Take care to tell on me for the cause

0:35:570:36:00

# I know I need to feel released

0:36:000:36:04

# Take care to bury all that you can

0:36:040:36:07

# Take care to leave a trace of a man

0:36:070:36:09

# I will show restraint just like we said we should

0:36:090:36:14

# You think I'll apologise for things I left behind

0:36:140:36:18

# But you got it wrong

0:36:180:36:20

# And I'm as sane as I ever was

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# You talk far too much for someone so unkind

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# I will wipe the salt off of my skin

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# And I'll admit that I got it wrong

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# And there is grey between the lines

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# And you had best believe that you cannot build what I don't need

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# And I know I need to feel relief

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# And I know you'll never fold but I believe nothing that I'm told

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# And I know I need to feel relief

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# I know I need to feel released

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# Take care to tell it just as it was

0:37:110:37:14

# Take care to tell on me for the cause

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# And I know I need to feel release

0:37:160:37:21

# Take care to bury all that you can

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# Take care to leave a trace of a man

0:37:240:37:26

# I know, I know, I know, I know...

0:37:260:37:31

# ..I know I need to feel released

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# Take care to tell it just as it was

0:37:400:37:43

# Take care to tell on me for the cause

0:37:430:37:45

# I know I need to feel released

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# Take care to bury all that you can

0:37:490:37:52

# Take care to leave a trace of a man

0:37:520:37:55

# I know, I know, I know, I know. #

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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CHVRCHES, everybody!

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Come and join me, do.

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Come on. In you come.

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Good CHVRCHES. Good CHVRCHES.

0:38:220:38:24

Good CHVRCHES. Hello.

0:38:240:38:26

Hi. Lovely to see you. You go on there and sit down.

0:38:260:38:28

Hello, sir. Lovely to see you.

0:38:280:38:30

Hi, nice to see you.

0:38:300:38:32

Go, sit. Sit.

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Just wave at them. Wave at them. Wave at them.

0:38:360:38:39

Wave at them. Wave at them.

0:38:390:38:40

Now, so it's Lauren, Iain and Martin,

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and that is from the album Every Open Eye, and that's out now, man.

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It's out. It's been out, it's happening.

0:38:490:38:51

-So five years you've been together.

-Pretty much. Nearly five, yeah.

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Now, what gives, because, Lauren, you don't

0:38:550:38:58

live on the same continent as those boys now, do you?

0:38:580:39:00

No. I was like, "There's not enough space in Glasgow for all of us."

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How smelly were they on that tour bus?

0:39:040:39:06

It was just like, "I'm moving continents."

0:39:060:39:09

Yes, there's just so much fart... I had to move to an entirely

0:39:090:39:13

different continent to get away from all the tour farts.

0:39:130:39:16

But no, I guess we spend a lot of our time in America anyway,

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so I thought I'd try it while they're stupid enough to give me a visa.

0:39:190:39:23

OK, so what's the story, you are touring

0:39:230:39:25

-but are you touring in America?

-We just got done in the States.

0:39:250:39:28

We're back in Europe for a bit, we've got some festivals -

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-Glastonbury, Reading and Leeds, Latitude, all that stuff.

-OK.

0:39:310:39:35

Wow, so many places I won't be able to see you.

0:39:350:39:38

So, listen, thanks for coming. CHVRCHES. Thank you very much.

0:39:380:39:41

OK. Let's see who we've got in the big red chair.

0:39:410:39:43

-Who have we got first.

-Graham, can I do this? I've always...

-You can

0:39:430:39:47

-do it, but, but be gentle.

-OK, OK, OK.

-Be gentle, Tom.

0:39:470:39:50

-So who's up first?

-Hi, I'm Mon.

0:39:500:39:53

-And where are you from?

-I'm from West London.

-West London.

0:39:530:39:55

-And what do you do?

-I'm a HR consultant.

-Ooh!

0:39:550:39:59

-For a really big company?

-Yeah, you could say that.

-OK, I will.

0:39:590:40:03

LAUGHTER

0:40:030:40:04

Too big for Mon. OK, off you go with your story.

0:40:070:40:11

So, basically, I was going on holiday with family and friends

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and we got to India and our plane arrived.

0:40:140:40:16

It was the only flight that arrived at about three o'clock in the

0:40:160:40:19

morning and we are all picking up our luggage and, from a distance,

0:40:190:40:21

I noticed someone and I thought it was Tina Turner,

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so I went up to her and I said, "Are you Tina Turner?"

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And she goes, "Yes, I am."

0:40:260:40:27

I go, "Oh, do you mind if I can get a picture taken with you?"

0:40:270:40:30

And she goes, "No, I'm going to get mobbed here."

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And I sort of looked over my shoulders and I go,

0:40:320:40:35

"But I'm the only one that's in front of you."

0:40:350:40:37

So I walked away, thinking, "OK, fine, fair enough,"

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and then, the next bit we got to the immigration bit.

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She was in front of me with all of her crew and the guy that was asking

0:40:430:40:47

all the immigration questions had really broken English and he started

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talking a little bit in Indian, or Punjabi, and she turned to me

0:40:500:40:53

and she goes, "Can you help me?"

0:40:530:40:55

And I go, "No, sorry, I'm going to get mobbed here."

0:40:550:40:57

Oh! Ohhh!

0:40:570:41:01

Oh! You can walk.

0:41:010:41:03

-You can walk. Oh! I did not see that coming.

-That was good.

0:41:030:41:07

I did not see that coming.

0:41:070:41:08

-That was good.

-No, because I was thinking,

0:41:080:41:10

"Oh, it wasn't really Tina Turner."

0:41:100:41:12

No, it was. Tina being a bit of a bitch.

0:41:120:41:14

LAUGHTER

0:41:140:41:17

Well, to be fair, she never said please.

0:41:170:41:19

Is that what the problem was? OK. Quickly, quickly.

0:41:190:41:22

-One more, one more. Hello!

-Hello.

-Hi, what's your name?

-I'm Debbie.

0:41:220:41:26

-Debbie. Hi, Debbie. What do you do?

-I'm a mother. That's quite enough.

0:41:260:41:29

OK. Of... Do you have many of the children?

0:41:290:41:33

-Two.

-Two. OK. How old are they?

-19 and eight... Ten, sorry.

0:41:330:41:38

LAUGHTER

0:41:380:41:40

-Wow. Just lost two years of her life there.

-Could you start again?

0:41:400:41:44

Those were the drinking years. OK. Where are you from?

0:41:440:41:49

-South-east London.

-South-east London. We'll just leave it at that.

0:41:490:41:52

All right. Off you go with your story.

0:41:520:41:54

So, I'm in bed with an ex-lover of mine

0:41:540:41:57

-and we decided we'd engage in some grown-up activities.

-Yes.

0:41:570:42:02

-You know, dinner for two...

-LAUGHTER

0:42:020:42:04

More than 68 but not quite 70.

0:42:040:42:07

So... Because I'm so lazy by nature, I'm on the bottom...

0:42:090:42:14

so I can't breathe through my mouth obviously because it's full...

0:42:140:42:18

so I take in a very deep breath through my nose...

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-SHE INHALES

-..at which point his...

0:42:210:42:23

testicles form a tight seal...

0:42:230:42:28

across my nostrils, so I can't breathe at all,

0:42:280:42:32

so I'm wriggling around panicking. He's thinking, obviously,

0:42:320:42:36

"Oh, she's loving this, really loving this..."

0:42:360:42:38

I'm going to do it now, yeah.

0:42:380:42:40

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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I don't know, someone should... Maybe I need help, but...

0:42:480:42:52

I...

0:42:520:42:54

I envisaged two people, say, like this, but...

0:42:540:43:01

-if something...is in her mouth...

-Yes.

0:43:010:43:05

Why would the thing below it be in her nose?

0:43:050:43:10

-Because he's going that way.

-69, John.

0:43:100:43:13

-But also...

-69.

0:43:130:43:15

Also... Also...

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Can I just say, we're leaving this conversation here.

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If you want to know more, go on the red button. This is it.

0:43:230:43:28

-No, we're done. We're done!

-Why...?

-No, Sara! We're done.

0:43:280:43:31

-But why would you...

-Shut up! We're done! Well done, everyone!

0:43:310:43:36

If you'd like to join us after that and have a go

0:43:360:43:38

on the red chair, you can via our website at this address...

0:43:380:43:41

That's it for tonight. Please say a huge thank you to all my guests.

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CHVRCHES!

0:43:440:43:47

Sara Pascoe!

0:43:470:43:50

John Malkovich!

0:43:500:43:53

Samuel L Jackson!

0:43:530:43:55

And Tom Hiddleston!

0:43:550:43:58

Join me next week with music from will.i.am,

0:43:590:44:03

comedian Jack Whitehall, X-Men stars James McAvoy

0:44:030:44:06

and Jennifer Lawrence, plus Hollywood legend Johnny Depp.

0:44:060:44:09

I'll see you, then. Goodnight, everybody. Bye-bye!

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