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TV - the magic box of delights.

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As kids, it showed us a million different worlds,

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all from our living room.

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This takes me right back.

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That's so embarrassing!

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I am genuinely shocked.

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Each day, I'm going to journey through the wonderful world of telly

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with one of our favourite celebrities...

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It's just so silly.

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I love it! Is it Mr Benn?

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-Shut it!

-..as they select the iconic TV moments...

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Oh, hello...

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..that tell us the stories of their lives.

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Oh, my gosh!

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-Cheers.

-Some will make you laugh...

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HE GROWLS

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LAUGHTER

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..some will surprise...

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TOY SQUEAKS

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..many will inspire...

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-Ooh!

-Look at this. Why wouldn't you want to watch this?

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..and others will move us.

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Seeing that there made it huge impact on me.

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Got a handkerchief?

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So, come watch with us as we rewind

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to the classic telly that shaped those

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wide-eyed youngsters into the much-loved stars they are today.

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Welcome to The TV That Made Me.

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My guest today is a well-loved TV presenter.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Kate Garraway.

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-Hello.

-Hello, how are you?

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-Very well.

-You look absolutely beautiful.

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-Thank you.

-Welcome to my humble abode.

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-Look at this.

-Come and sit yourself down.

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Nice little pink sofa.

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She's been waking up the nation on breakfast telly for years.

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-Hello.

-With a radiant smile and ready wit.

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-Thank you very much.

-In the midst of all the early starts,

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she's even managed to spare some time to slap on some sequins for

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a shimmy and a shake on Strictly, coming eighth in 2007.

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Amongst the TV that made her...

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The thrilling adventures of a finger puppet and his friends...

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"This isn't really me," says Fingermouse.

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..ground-breaking daily investigative journalism...

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I may well be arrested,

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because I look as if I may be committing an offence in the near future.

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..and a daytime magazine show that knew how to throw a party.

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-Are you looking forward to it?

-I am looking forward to it, actually.

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I'm a massive television fan.

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I love watching the telly, I always have done.

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-And yeah, so I do love it. I love a bit of telly.

-Yeah?

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Yeah. I should say my favourite thing is friends and family, but really,

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-it's watching telly.

-Is it really?

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Yeah, and when I was little, my parents didn't really...

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I don't think they really approved of telly.

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There was always a feeling that radio was somehow better.

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Certainly, we never watched ITV.

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That was a bit spivvy.

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-Oh, really?

-And we never watched breakfast television.

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So I'm obviously a huge disappointment to them in a lot of ways, really.

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Seeing as what happened next.

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Well, you talk about your childhood and what we're going to do,

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we're going to look back now, rewind the clock and look at a young Kate.

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-Here she is, Kate Garraway.

-Oh.

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Born and raised in the quiet historic market town of Abingdon in Oxfordshire...

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Kate Garraway and her younger brother grew up in a happy home,

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with Dad a civil servant and Mum a teacher.

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She was a model pupil at school and budding musician at home.

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Practically a one-woman band.

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With a degree in English and Political History under her belt and

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journalism in her sights,

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she started out in radio before graduating to regional TV news.

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I was a very good girl.

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-Was you?

-I was really good girl, yeah.

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I just talked a lot.

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I always got told off for talking, but other than that...

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I was one of those slightly annoying studious ones that tried really hard.

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Didn't necessarily achieve anything, but tried very hard at everything.

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Tried hard at musical instruments, tried hard at everything.

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You'd have hated me at school.

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No, didn't you play the clarinet?

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I played the clarinet, I played the violin...

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Well, it just so happens...

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-Oh, no!

-No, I'm joking.

-Honestly, I haven't touched it for years.

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The violin, the piano, the recorder...

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-Really?

-Yes, I was like, a real joiner-inner.

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-And none of that you've kept up?

-No, it's annoying.

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I sort of went off to uni and discovered drinking and boys, I think -

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and stopped playing the clarinet and the violin.

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What is the first TV programme that made a big impression

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on the lovely Kate Garraway?

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-It's Fingerbobs.

-I remember it.

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I love a bit of Fingerbobs.

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Fingerbobs.

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# Yoffy lifts a finger... #

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Rick Jones as Yoffy.

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# And a mouse is there. #

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-Different era, isn't it?

-Totally different era.

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# Puts his hands together... #

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Fingerbobs was created in 1972 for part of the schedule called

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Watch With Mother and was just 15 minutes long.

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Only 13 episodes were ever made.

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# And a tortoise head peeps out... #

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LAUGHTER

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So, this is something...Kate Garraway really enjoyed?

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I really loved it. Loved Fingerbobs. I made all these things, obviously.

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Oh, really? You made them?

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-Oh, of course I do, yeah.

-You made them.

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I made... Oh, my God.

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Hold on. There you go. There's yours.

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I made them especially for you.

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-OK.

-So, put the glove on.

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You're going to be the bird and I'm going to be Fingerbob.

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It's a funny time, isn't it?

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Because you think of what our kids watch now,

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there isn't a single show that hasn't got CGI and everything.

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And yet, I was glued to a man in some rather effeminate white gloves,

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a ping pong ball and a bit of orange card. Something like that, wasn't it?

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Aw, we can do our own little show.

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There you go. Brian lifts a finger and a mouse scampers about.

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-Isn't it something like that?

-Hello, you're Gulliver.

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-I'm Gulliver.

-Hello, Gulliver.

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My name's Fingerbob.

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-Hi.

-Give me a peck.

-Oh!

-There you go.

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It's going to be a thatched roof.

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That's what the straw is for.

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You see? That's brilliant.

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But I suppose there's a bit of effort gone into it.

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And now he's bringing some more straw. This could be a two-part series.

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-Here's another load.

-So, it takes you back?

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It really takes me back, it really takes me back.

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And you know...

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Talk about being of its era, because actually, it's fascinating,

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cos look - I think they've got personalities, those bits

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of cardboard. They have, Brian!

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Hmm. "This isn't really me," says Fingermouse.

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There must be something more interesting for me to do.

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I wonder what's through that door?

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When I was little - you're probably younger than me - when I was little,

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you didn't have a lot of choice, did you, in terms of what you watched?

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You had programmes like this and Camberwick Green and all of that on

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at lunchtime and then it went off.

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My children can't believe this.

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The TV went off and didn't pop up again until 3.30,

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when you saw other things. And so, when you were really young, preschool,

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and when you had a sore throat or something,

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this was just like finding a diamond on an allotment or something.

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This was just amazing. It's brilliant and I like it.

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-It makes me feel cosy, just watching it.

-Yeah, yeah.

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So, was the telly a big thing, a big part of your life?

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There were big moments of telly.

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I always loved it, I was always drawn to it, right from when I was very little.

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I thought it was the most fascinating thing.

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We certainly didn't put it on at breakfast.

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You were allowed to - when you were off school - watch Fingerbobs,

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Camberwick Green and Trumpton.

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And after school, you were allowed to watch certain things.

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But in terms of sitting down to watch TV,

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it was very much sitting down and watching certain things.

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Natural history programmes, loved that.

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Yeah, you'd sit down and watch TV as a family.

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Go into the kitchen to have your tea, go into the sitting room...

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So, when you were in the sitting room, were there snacks allowed?

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Were you allowed to have anything?

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-Not really.

-No?

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No, not really. I don't know whether we were especially messy as kids.

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Sunday nights and Saturday nights you were allowed to have sandwiches in

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the lounge and everything, but we didn't really do that.

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-Crumpets?

-Crumpets, that was my favourite night.

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They'd bring it on Saturday night, we'd have crumpets,

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Duchess Of Duke Street and Starsky And Hutch.

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I'll get the crumpets.

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LAUGHTER

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I mean, can you ask more than that? Get me a crumpet.

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I have a crumpet.

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This is a big deal, because we weren't really allowed to eat

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food on our laps. Look at that!

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-Giving Kate a bit of crumpet!

-I could be...

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LAUGHTER

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Warm crumpet, melted butter,

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life can't get better than that, can it?

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No, I think I'd like a little bit of jam on that, though.

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-No?

-You see, I would never have dreamed of jam when I was little.

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This was enough for me.

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You and all your big expectations.

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Always pushing for more.

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I know, I know, I do want a bit more.

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LAUGHTER

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-I was like that.

-I'm not going to be able to speak now for a while.

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We're going to move on to something that will bring a lump to your throat.

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-OK.

-This is...tears before...

-In a good way?

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Yeah, of course in a good way.

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Tears of TV.

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Lassie!

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Lassie!

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Oh, no!

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I need an old piece of second-hand used furniture.

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-Oh?

-For school.

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We're having an auction for poor people.

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That sounds like a worthwhile cause.

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We use all our second-hand used furniture.

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-There's nothing to do with it.

-Did you want to be Timmy?

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I wanted... I wanted Lassie as a pet.

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Lassie, the fictional female rough collie dog character,

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created by Eric Knight in his 1940 novel,

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spawned 11 films and a TV series that started in the 1950s and has been on

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our screens pretty much ever since.

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The original Lassie was played by a male dog called Pal and bar one film,

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his male descendants have always starred as the heroic canine.

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Maybe you have, I don't know.

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-Let's investigate.

-It still pulls all those heartstrings.

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I reckon my children would...

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If it was on now, I think my kids would love it even now.

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I can remember it getting to the end and I would say to my mum,

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"I've got a sore throat." She was like, "I think you're crying."

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"I think that's what it is." And it was the first time I remember,

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when I was really little, just being really

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moved by TV.

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You know when Lassie used to have those moments where he tried

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to help out - someone had fallen down the mine

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and he'd bark away at them.

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-Oh, he was brilliant, wasn't he?

-HE IMITATES BARKING

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-And they always used to understand.

-I know, I love those moments.

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I got it. I knew exactly what Lassie was saying.

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-Really?

-Yeah.

-Well, let's put that to the test.

-Oh, no!

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LAUGHTER

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-What, Kate Garraway...

-OK.

-..is Lassie saying right now?

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LASSIE BARKS

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Oh, I know. She's saying, "Please check under there,

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-"someone's trapped, someone's trapped."

-Oh, yes.

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There you go.

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Trapped in the storm shelter.

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Trapped in a storm shelter.

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Lassie has brought the rescuers to the correct place,

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they've opened up...

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-And there he is!

-Timmy is saved!

-Lassie's saved...

-Come on...

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APPLAUSE

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We'll do one more for luck.

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-One more for luck.

-Seeing as you're on a roll.

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There we go.

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Wow. Now, this is important.

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-What is it, girl?

-What is it, girl?

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Someone's got trapped down a well.

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Have they? Someone is...

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-Not far off.

-Is it not down a well? Down a mine shaft?

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A mine shaft has collapsed, someone's got to be dug out?

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It is.

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Timmy, are you all right?

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Look! You know, you know!

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-Well done.

-Now, you know why?

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Because someone was always trapped down a mine shaft, every week!

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I think the writers must've taken the afternoon off.

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They write a little bit and go, "Oh, that'll do."

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He always needed someone... Someone needed to be dug out of somewhere every week.

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Someone had to be trapped in a mine shaft.

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-Timmy had a tough old life.

-Yeah.

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From pedigree pooches to mongrel mutts,

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we love seeing dogs on our TVs.

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Who doesn't remember at least one of ten pet dogs that have appeared on

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Blue Peter? Starting with Petra in 1962.

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Most memorable, perhaps, are Shep for seven years, from 1971

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and Goldie from 1978.

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More recently, Chalky the Jack Russell

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accompanied chef Rick Stein on all

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his adventures around the British Isles and Ireland.

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He got up to some mighty capers,

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leaping at microphones and snarling at cameramen.

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And as Roly the giant poodle proved in EastEnders,

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no long-running soap opera is complete without

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a four-legged resident amongst the regular cast.

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Then came the more macho Wellard,

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the Alsatian who famously bit Ian Beale on the bottom.

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Barbara Woodhouse would certainly have a thing or two to say about that.

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So, who controlled the remote control?

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Well, I'm so old, that for a long time, we didn't have a remote control.

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Oh, you had to get up and turn the telly over.

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You had to get up and turn the telly over.

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Which often, I was made to do, clearly. Cos you know, you get kids to do that,

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don't you? But it was always at my dad's instruction.

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So, Dad had the charge - he was the man,

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he was in charge of the mythical remote control, or indeed the bottom.

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-Yeah?

-Yeah.

-Did he have Dad's chair?

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-How was the

-setup? Yeah, you're taking me back now.

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Yeah, so Dad had a swivel chair...

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-Ooh.

-I presume, like something from the X-Men.

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-Very

-'70s. He could survey the scene.

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He had a swivel chair, brown sofa, brother and I.

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Mum, kind of flitting in and out, cos mums, they always have jobs to do.

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-They do. They're busy.

-They're washing up.

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Flitting in and out, would often sit down on a little pouffe.

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Aw, like a little pouffe?

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A little pouffe, or we'd squish up for Saturday night.

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We'd all sit on the sofa, apart from Dad.

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And what would you be watching on a Saturday night?

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So, Saturday night... I love Saturday night.

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I still think Saturday night in front of the telly is just a great

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thing to do. And for me, the era I can remember, I must have been about 10 or 11,

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something like that - it was Duchess Of Duke Street.

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-Do you even remember Duchess Of Duke Street?

-Yeah.

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-I do.

-There was always a drama below stairs, wasn't there?

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And a party upstairs. There was always something going on.

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And then after it was Starsky And Hutch.

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And I would have this thing where I was convinced I was going on a date with David Soul - Hutch.

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So, I would,

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during the end of Duchess Of Duke Street, as the title rolled,

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race upstairs, put on my mum's peach nightie, which she's still got...

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Peach nightie, put on lipstick...

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-Your mum has still got that peach nightie?

-I think she kept it for sentimental reasons,

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because there's so many pictures of me in this peach nightie.

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Peach nightie, bright red lipstick, which was hers - or orange red lipstick -

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come downstairs and say I was going on a date with Hutch,

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as the Starsky And Hutch titles rolled. And I couldn't really speak, I would say,

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"I'm going on a date with Hutch." And my dad would torment me by trying to make me speak,

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because I wouldn't want to ruin my lipstick. And I was obsessed with David Soul.

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I even made this felt purse and I cut a picture of him out of a box.

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I've still got it and I later interviewed David Soul when I was

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working at ITV and I showed him this and I think he was a little bit scared,

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if I'm honest.

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LAUGHTER

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I think he was like, "That's lovely.

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"Please take this woman away."

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LAUGHTER

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Yeah.

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Well, we're going to go onto your Must See TV now.

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-OK.

-Have a little look at this.

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-Shall we have a look?

-Yeah.

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What does it feel like to be alone,

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out of work and homeless in the big city?

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Nationwide, Kate.

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Nationwide, yeah.

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Following the national news,

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this magazine-style current affairs series ran every weekday for

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over 3,000 episodes from 1969.

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By becoming Tony Crabbe,

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I hope to find the answers to all questions by experiencing life

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in the gutter first-hand.

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-Wow.

-Immersive journalism, it was then, wasn't it?

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It was. So, Nationwide - and we don't have anything like it,

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although The One Show, I guess, has that vibe about it, hasn't it?

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When I was little,

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my dad sat down and wanted to watch the Six O'clock News,

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because in those days, dads got home for six.

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So many dads don't - poor things, stuck in traffic, working late,

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working weird shifts. If your dad got home,

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he wanted to watch the Six O'clock News, which I found a bit boring.

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I didn't understand most of it.

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But then Nationwide came on afterwards and Nationwide,

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I just thought was extraordinary.

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Everything about me had to look right.

0:17:200:17:23

BBC make-up girl Sula cut lumps out of my hair and made it look dirty.

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It had something funny, something clever,

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I think people forget that kind of journalism.

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That report was amazing. It's very common now for reporters to do that,

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to go and experience things for real.

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But no-one had done that before and he went and he lived on the streets

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and he showed a side of being homeless that, certainly, I'd never seen.

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Most people had never seen before.

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My dirty clothes actually make me look a suspicious person.

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Because I've got nowhere to go and nothing to do,

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I may well be arrested...

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He didn't make it romantic, as though all the homeless people were poor, fallen souls.

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He showed it as it was and you know, some of them were

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their own worst enemies,

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some of them are actually quite threatening and violent and it just

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revealed a whole world, in a way,

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that made sense to me and made me want to be a journalist.

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-Oh, really?

-Made me want to be a journalist, yeah.

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I think it's fascinating and I think breakfast TV and a lot of

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news programmes now have learnt a lot from shows like Nationwide.

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I think we are trying to make things more welcoming to more people,

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rather than very posh, serious news like it used to be when I was little.

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Is it true that when you was little, you used to interview yourself?

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Yeah, when I was little, I had one of those reel-to-reel...

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-Do you remember those?

-Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.

-And also,

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one of those square-box ones where you press play and record together.

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And I would record interviews with myself.

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Sometimes, I'd be characters of TV programmes and we still have the tape

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of me interviewing myself - me being both myself and Margaret Thatcher.

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Oh! And what age would you be?

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Well, I was really little. She was education secretary at the time. I obviously didn't really know that,

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I just knew that she'd taken away the milk in schools for kids

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and my mother was furious about it. I was delighted, because it was disgusting.

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But I knew this was a big scandal and children were apparently suffering.

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So I was interviewing her, saying, "How dare you?"

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And she was saying, "Some may argue that, actually,

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"it's good to get rid of milk."

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And I would answer again.

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We've still got it, so my mum was like,

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either you were going to be bonkers,

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or you were probably going to be an interviewer when you grew up! From that evidence.

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-Do you enjoy interviewing people?

-Yeah. Don't you?

-Oh, I do.

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-I find it interesting.

-And I think talking to people is the most fun.

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I don't really have any proper hobbies, I just like talking to people,

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whether it's getting into a cab or sitting on a bus.

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I'm one of those weird people who says, Hi, how are you?"

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And starts talking to people and I think to get the chance to talk to

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people generally and also people with extraordinary stories to tell,

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who have done amazing things in life...

0:19:570:19:59

-I mean, what a way to pay the mortgage.

-Yeah.

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-It doesn't get any better than that, does it?

-Yeah.

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Now, I believe, Kate, you've got a love of Pot Noodle.

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Well now, my parents...

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I didn't realise it, but my dad had two allotments at one point.

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He grew loads of vegetables.

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We had fresh, home-grown vegetables all our life.

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Amazing - and then, one day, my brother and I saw an advert for Pot Noodle.

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Should be here in four minutes.

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Don't fuss, Mum. You know what I like.

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Launched by Golden Wonder in 1977,

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its adverts focused on the convenience and simplicity of this quick, hot snack.

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Tender pasta noodles with vegetables and soya pieces in a rich, savoury sauce.

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Marketed as the Instant Nibble,

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the ads were designed to appeal to everyone, whether at work, on the sofa,

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or even on the hoof.

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Now in new sweet-and-sour, and cheese and tomato flavours.

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A snack in a pot...

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-Makes sense...

-Pour water on, open a sachet...

-Bring it on.

-..all manner of delights.

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Never tasted such a thing, but saw the advert.

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And on Christmas Eve one year, my mum, out of exasperation said,

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"You can have anything you want to eat. What do you fancy eating?"

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And we both said, "Pot Noodle."

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I think it literally broke my parents' heart.

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If I said, you know, "I'm about to run away with the circus,"

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she would've been less distressed.

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-You're easily pleased.

-I know!

-Aren't you?

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"I am going to take you out on a date, let's go and have a Pot Noodle."

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-LAUGHTER

-What's wrong with that?

0:21:320:21:35

Can we talk about fashion, Kate?

0:21:400:21:42

Did fashion play a big part in Kate's growing up?

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Fashion? I don't know that I was ever fashionable, really.

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I loved clothes and I loved experimenting with things,

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but, um... I wasn't trendy.

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I seemed to spend a lot of time wearing tweed, which I'm not sure was ever fashionable.

0:21:580:22:02

There was a programme, which you won't know about, you won't remember,

0:22:020:22:05

because I've not really met many people that ever watched it,

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but it was called Gems. It was on in the afternoon, as that dead period,

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when there was nothing on the screen, started to change and people used to

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put a few shows and, like Sons And Daughters popped up in the afternoons.

0:22:160:22:19

-Oh, God. I remember that.

-Gems was there as a golden jewel on a quiet afternoon,

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particularly when you had free periods in the sixth form,

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where you could sneak home and it was a little bit like Howard's Way.

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-Do you remember Howard's Way?

-Yes.

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It was sort of glamorous and sort of a bit naff, really.

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It was set in the fashion industry and there were models having dramas and

0:22:370:22:40

I thought it was brilliant.

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It was a little bit glamorous, it was a little bit ridiculous,

0:22:430:22:46

-people occasionally had a little kiss.

-Ooh, in the afternoon?

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-Saucy.

-LAUGHTER

0:22:500:22:52

I know, I know. Sometimes, they weren't even married.

0:22:520:22:55

I know, it's amazing. And I loved it.

0:22:550:22:57

I don't know where it is now.

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It's never been repeated, I don't know where it's gone.

0:22:590:23:02

Well, we've got a little moment from it.

0:23:020:23:05

-Oh, I'd love to see that again.

-Here we go, this is Gems.

0:23:050:23:10

Look at this! Why wouldn't you want to watch this?

0:23:100:23:14

-Covent Garden...

-Covent Garden.

-There's no-one there!

0:23:140:23:16

It's glamorous, no-one is there, but she's turning heads.

0:23:160:23:19

Oh, yes.

0:23:190:23:21

-Tops are being unzipped...

-Ooh, hello!

-I know!

0:23:250:23:28

-That was a bit racy, wasn't it?

-That's what I mean!

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Running for three years from 1985, and broadcasting three times a week

0:23:310:23:35

during the day, Gems was a soap

0:23:350:23:38

set in a stylish fashion house in London's Covent Garden.

0:23:380:23:42

I have to tell you, Stephen -

0:23:520:23:53

if we don't get that skirt the way I want it,

0:23:530:23:57

Tilbins won't want that jacket on its own, OK?

0:23:570:24:00

Now, that's a drama!

0:24:000:24:02

If they don't get that skirt the way it's needed...

0:24:020:24:05

We know where it's going.

0:24:050:24:06

I was completely...

0:24:060:24:08

-Ooh.

-And there we go, and she's...

-She's not happy.

-You see? Brilliant.

0:24:080:24:12

Absolutely brilliant. That was pretty much the way every episode went.

0:24:120:24:15

-Someone was cross about something...

-Finish on a cliffhanger, did it?

0:24:150:24:19

Finished on a cliffhanger and it was brilliant.

0:24:190:24:21

-Yeah, I loved Gems.

-So, fashion not playing a big part in Kate's life, really?

0:24:210:24:25

I've always loved fashion.

0:24:250:24:28

I used to love... It's one of the reasons why I used to love GMTV -

0:24:280:24:31

long before I was on it, when I was watching it when it was TV-am with Anne Diamond

0:24:310:24:35

and Anthea Turner, over all the years.

0:24:350:24:38

Lorraine Kelly, fab, all her fashion.

0:24:380:24:40

-I've always loved fashion.

-Since Gems,

0:24:400:24:42

fashion designers have rarely been off our screens.

0:24:420:24:46

The Clothes Show, beginning in 1986, reported straight from the catwalk.

0:24:460:24:50

Presented by Jeff Banks and Selina Scott,

0:24:500:24:53

it offered glimpses into haute couture

0:24:530:24:55

as well as style on a budget.

0:24:550:24:59

In 1991, House Of Elliott gave us more drama from the fashion world,

0:24:590:25:04

as designers the Elliott sisters

0:25:040:25:06

made their way as dressmakers in 1920s London.

0:25:060:25:09

Absolutely Fabulous arrived with a bang in 1992.

0:25:120:25:16

Jennifer Saunders and Joanna Lumley embraced

0:25:160:25:18

the heady world of fashion in

0:25:180:25:21

their comedy drama for five fabulous series.

0:25:210:25:25

In 2001, Trinny and Susannah

0:25:250:25:28

were telling us What Not To Wear in their hit series.

0:25:280:25:32

Then in 2006 came Gok Wan,

0:25:320:25:34

who told us not to wear clothes at all, in his series,

0:25:340:25:38

How To Look Good Naked.

0:25:380:25:40

This is your comedy hero,

0:25:460:25:48

a lady who used to give you a lot of belly laughs.

0:25:480:25:51

On the 28th of January...

0:25:510:25:54

Mr and Mrs Robinson from Harrow on the Weald...

0:25:540:25:58

-Pamela Stephenson.

-Pamela Stephenson, yeah.

-From Not The 9 O'Clock News.

0:25:580:26:02

Yeah, I know exactly where...

0:26:020:26:03

But then, the trouble started...

0:26:030:26:06

On February the 19th, the Robinsons' seven-year-old son, George,

0:26:060:26:09

got an attack of appendicitis had to be rushed to hospital.

0:26:090:26:13

They rang the electricity board, who responded...

0:26:130:26:17

"This has got nothing to do with us."

0:26:170:26:20

Joining Pamela Stephenson in the hit comedy sketch show,

0:26:200:26:24

Not The 9 O'Clock News, was Rowan Atkinson, Griff Rhys Jones and Mel Smith.

0:26:240:26:28

I mean, Not The 9 O'Clock News was a really great show.

0:26:280:26:32

And she was brilliant, wasn't she?

0:26:320:26:34

Cos you know, I guess we still have a little bit of that trouble now where

0:26:340:26:38

people don't think women can be funny.

0:26:380:26:40

-And she came along and I think, blew all that out of the water.

-Yeah.

0:26:400:26:44

With a satirical take on current affairs,

0:26:440:26:46

the series also lampooned popular TV shows and personalities.

0:26:460:26:51

Naturally upset by this,

0:26:510:26:53

Mr and Mrs Robinson had a quarrel which ended in Mr Robinson savagely

0:26:530:26:57

pushing his wife through a plate-glass window.

0:26:570:27:00

On both occasions, they contacted the electricity board,

0:27:000:27:03

and on both occasions, they were told...

0:27:030:27:08

"I'm sorry, this really has got nothing to do with us."

0:27:080:27:10

I think she was definitely one of the first female artists that I was

0:27:100:27:14

aware of, to come along and to have a woman being funny and holding her own

0:27:140:27:19

and not just playing a giggly woman,

0:27:190:27:22

but absolutely intrinsic to the comedy and funny in her own right.

0:27:220:27:26

Definitely, I think she's brilliant.

0:27:260:27:29

Kate, now it's a little bit of comfort television for you.

0:27:330:27:36

Oh, snugly viewing.

0:27:360:27:38

Yet, it's something that would put an arm around you when you were at home

0:27:380:27:42

and not feeling 100%, you know?

0:27:420:27:44

Aw, OK, let's have a look.

0:27:440:27:46

-It's Pebble Mill.

-Pebble Mill?

0:27:460:27:49

-Pebble Mill At One.

-Oh, I love Pebble Mill!

0:27:490:27:51

Starting in 1972, and broadcasting live at lunchtime

0:27:540:27:58

from the foyer of Birmingham's Pebble Mill,

0:27:580:28:01

it was one of the pioneers of daytime television.

0:28:010:28:04

What was it you liked about it?

0:28:090:28:11

It's a funny thing, isn't it...?

0:28:110:28:12

..thinking why.

0:28:120:28:14

Because I was quite young when I used to watch it.

0:28:140:28:16

It was stuff about how to get rid of a baby belly after you've given birth.

0:28:160:28:21

I'd be like this, absolutely glued - "Wow, that's amazing!"

0:28:210:28:25

And it would be stuff really aimed for mums and housewives, of course.

0:28:250:28:29

-And students.

-And students.

0:28:290:28:31

I think students must have watched bewildered, like me,

0:28:310:28:33

but there wasn't anything else on,

0:28:330:28:36

so you watched it and loved it and it was snugly and the presenters made

0:28:360:28:39

-you feel comfortable.

-This, I think, is a lovely clip,

0:28:390:28:42

because if you watch it,

0:28:420:28:44

you realise that the presenters are actually slightly inebriated -

0:28:440:28:47

and this is a show just before Christmas.

0:28:470:28:50

-OK.

-I'm just about finished on my naughty sporty..

0:28:500:28:52

-Naughty sporty?!

-Naughty sporty, yeah, which is actually...

0:28:520:28:55

I mean, it's a glass with a legwarmer on it and it's a black and leather lace garter

0:28:550:29:01

seductively tied around the top.

0:29:010:29:03

Alcohol and a live studio programme is really a recipe for disaster, isn't it?

0:29:030:29:08

-It's not good, is it?

-Oh, now there's a comb over.

0:29:080:29:12

Dynamite band, yeah, coming on.

0:29:120:29:15

She's had a couple of cocktails, hasn't she?

0:29:150:29:18

# Now I'm the king of the swingers, oh

0:29:180:29:20

# The jungle VIP... #

0:29:200:29:22

Oh, dear!

0:29:220:29:24

-You used to love this.

-I loved it!

0:29:250:29:27

# I want to be like you-ooh-ooh... #

0:29:270:29:29

What's he wearing?

0:29:290:29:31

# I want to walk like you, talk like you, dooby-doo... #

0:29:310:29:34

That is an office party

0:29:340:29:36

that everyone is going to regret.

0:29:360:29:39

You see, this is why students loved it, because it's just sort

0:29:390:29:43

of surreal, isn't it?

0:29:430:29:45

It's like...

0:29:490:29:50

car-crash TV.

0:29:500:29:52

Regular hosts for the first few years of Pebble Mill were Donny MacLeod

0:29:530:29:57

Bob Langley and Marian Foster.

0:29:570:30:00

Later, they were joined by Jan Leeming and David Seymour.

0:30:000:30:03

And when he wasn't making saucy cocktails,

0:30:030:30:06

regular strands included Jeff Banks' fashion and style tips.

0:30:060:30:10

By 1991, Alan Titchmarsh was at the helm

0:30:100:30:12

and the series ran for a further five years.

0:30:120:30:17

I mean, would you like to have worked on Pebble Mill At One?

0:30:170:30:20

I'd love to have worked on Pebble Mill At One.

0:30:200:30:23

Let's be honest, it's not a million miles from shows I've done since on breakfast TV.

0:30:230:30:27

It's that mixture of a bit of fun, a bit of serious,

0:30:270:30:31

a bit of comfy, a bit of hard news.

0:30:310:30:34

It's that kind of thing, isn't it? Maybe less hard news, but...

0:30:340:30:38

You know, it's essentially magazine shows.

0:30:380:30:41

I mean, out of all those genres, what you've just said,

0:30:410:30:43

which one do you aspire to?

0:30:430:30:45

Which one do you enjoy the most?

0:30:450:30:49

Well, I think, weirdly enough, it's the mixture that I like.

0:30:490:30:52

I don't think there's anywhere else but in breakfast TV generally,

0:30:520:30:56

where you get the chance to...

0:30:560:30:58

There isn't, is there? When you sit down and you can speak to

0:30:580:31:02

a Hollywood star about what they do,

0:31:020:31:05

a mum who has tragically lost their child through something ghastly and

0:31:050:31:10

is fighting for justice...

0:31:100:31:12

Give a politician a good talking to about something that you care

0:31:120:31:15

about and your peers care about and...

0:31:150:31:17

I just don't think there's anywhere else that you get the chance to do that.

0:31:170:31:21

Is there any presenters that you admired, growing up?

0:31:210:31:25

Yeah, I suppose it was all the ones

0:31:250:31:28

that did that.

0:31:280:31:31

I mean, I particularly remember Anne Diamond as being somebody who,

0:31:310:31:35

when I was younger, I felt was quite tough when she needed to be,

0:31:350:31:39

and was not afraid to ask really direct questions - really simple questions.

0:31:390:31:44

Well, we've got a clip of Anne Diamond now.

0:31:440:31:47

Have a little look. Here she is in action.

0:31:470:31:49

Your party pilloried Mrs Thatcher the other day for admitting that she

0:31:490:31:52

-believes in private health care.

-Oh, no. With great respect...

0:31:520:31:56

She's completely in control of this, isn't she?

0:31:560:31:58

Totally, totally.

0:31:580:32:01

Anne Diamond joined TV-am as the main presenter in 1983, aged just 28.

0:32:010:32:06

-They have raked this up from two years ago...

-But isn't it a fact that she did once...

0:32:060:32:10

-Would you listen?

-Well, I'm trying to get to that basic fact.

0:32:100:32:12

If you read that story...

0:32:120:32:15

She's not flustered, is she, by them trying to show her up?

0:32:150:32:19

I think that what's lovely is,

0:32:190:32:20

these are some of the biggest politicians at that time,

0:32:200:32:23

-and she's standing up to them.

-She is, and in a very gentle way, actually.

0:32:230:32:28

She still slightly mischievous and

0:32:280:32:31

very honest and not prepared to be bullied and say, actually,

0:32:310:32:34

"I don't see why I should."

0:32:340:32:36

She was a very new type of presenter, a new type of woman presenter.

0:32:360:32:42

Do let us know what do you think about that,

0:32:420:32:45

whether or not one should have brought up what was on the front page of The Sun

0:32:450:32:48

this morning or not. We'd like to know your opinion.

0:32:480:32:50

-We'll take a break.

-What is it about Anne that really inspired you?

0:32:500:32:53

Anne Diamond came along and before that, there were some serious,

0:32:530:32:56

very good newsreaders.

0:32:560:32:59

And there were some fun, frivolous

0:32:590:33:01

female presenters.

0:33:010:33:04

What I thought was great about her was, she was clearly full of fun,

0:33:040:33:07

she could do all the fun stuff, all the light-hearted stuff,

0:33:070:33:10

but she wasn't afraid to talk straight.

0:33:100:33:12

She was a brilliant journalist and yeah,

0:33:120:33:15

held her own whoever was on the sofa in front of her. Yeah.

0:33:150:33:21

Have you got a bit of that straight talking in you?

0:33:210:33:23

-I think you have.

-I think it probably have a little bit.

0:33:230:33:26

I think I have, yeah. I do do a lot of research.

0:33:260:33:29

I learned very early on that actually, you've got to be...

0:33:290:33:33

You've got to do your homework.

0:33:330:33:35

You can't know everything and politicians will always bamboozle you with figures,

0:33:350:33:39

but if you've done a lot of research and you know your stuff,

0:33:390:33:43

and if you don't understand what they're saying, then it's fine to think,

0:33:430:33:46

"If I've spent a day researching this and I'm still confused by this,"

0:33:460:33:49

then no-one at home has got a chance,

0:33:490:33:51

because they've got other priorities in their life other than spending a

0:33:510:33:54

day researching what a politician has to say.

0:33:540:33:56

So, I do feel like I have got a bit of that, yeah.

0:33:560:33:59

Politicians shouldn't expect people to spend hours and hours and hours

0:33:590:34:03

studying them to understand them.

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It's their job to be clear to us.

0:34:040:34:06

Watching TV over our cereal in the morning is a relatively new idea.

0:34:080:34:13

When Breakfast Time launched on the BBC in 1983 with Selina Scott and

0:34:130:34:17

Frank Bough, it made TV history.

0:34:170:34:21

Broadcasting on 17 January, two weeks before ITV's new programme, TV-am.

0:34:210:34:25

It was ground-breaking in its informal style.

0:34:280:34:30

There were red sofas,

0:34:300:34:32

steaming coffee cups and fun features like Russell Grant's astrology,

0:34:320:34:36

as well as keep fit with the Green Goddess, Diana Moran

0:34:360:34:39

Meanwhile, over on ITV, a relatively unknown Anne Diamond

0:34:410:34:46

was partnered with Nick Owen to revive

0:34:460:34:48

TV-am's flagging viewing figures.

0:34:480:34:51

An instant hit, Anne and Nick proved to be a winning formula,

0:34:510:34:55

with just a little help from Roland Rat.

0:34:550:34:57

Yeah, rat fans!

0:34:570:35:00

It was a partnership so successful that Anne and Nick were poached

0:35:000:35:04

by the BBC in 1992.

0:35:040:35:06

So, Kate - how did you start in television?

0:35:150:35:18

How did I start in television? Well, I...

0:35:180:35:21

-Look.

-Ooh, hello!

0:35:210:35:22

How old would you have been then?

0:35:240:35:27

I had lot of hair.

0:35:270:35:29

Um... I was, I think, about 28 then.

0:35:290:35:33

-Oh, really?

-When I first left college, I was desperate to be a journalist,

0:35:330:35:37

but they didn't have the courses like they do now.

0:35:370:35:41

I couldn't really afford to pay myself to go on a course.

0:35:410:35:44

So, I was working doing all sorts of things,

0:35:440:35:46

including working for a law firm and a station opened up called Fox FM

0:35:460:35:51

in Oxford and I went along and volunteered on Saturdays and Sundays to work

0:35:510:35:56

for them for free. And then I managed to get a job working for

0:35:560:36:00

Radio Oxford as a travel person.

0:36:000:36:03

I then worked my way from there and ITV News in those days had a scheme,

0:36:030:36:07

where they trained two people a year.

0:36:070:36:11

And then, I went to train with them and I went to Central News and then Meridian.

0:36:110:36:14

And you then moved from there to GMTV?

0:36:140:36:16

So... No, then I was working for Meridian and a brand-new idea, 24-hour news,

0:36:160:36:22

came along. BBC News 24, as it was called then,

0:36:220:36:26

launched, and I was there as one of the launch presenters.

0:36:260:36:30

It was quite rocky in those days.

0:36:300:36:34

It was the early stages of robotics and automation and cameras used to

0:36:340:36:38

freeze and there was no people, there were no camera people around,

0:36:380:36:42

so you just have to sort of lean into shot and just slide along and carry

0:36:420:36:47

on reading. It wasn't good. Things went horribly wrong a lot but it was

0:36:470:36:52

a brilliant training ground.

0:36:520:36:53

And then, I went to Sky News.

0:36:530:36:56

How did you then move on to GMTV?

0:36:560:36:58

GMTV... Eamonn Holmes and Fiona Phillips, brilliant presenters,

0:36:580:37:01

decided they wanted a shorter week.

0:37:010:37:03

Why wouldn't you? So luckily, I started presenting on Fridays,

0:37:030:37:07

so they could nip off early for the weekend and it just went from there.

0:37:070:37:10

Ah. Well, we've got a clip now,

0:37:100:37:13

of your first day at GMTV.

0:37:130:37:15

Oh, my God! This is going to be terrible.

0:37:150:37:18

I don't think I've watched this back.

0:37:180:37:20

I think I'd have been too scared to watch it back at the time.

0:37:200:37:23

-Kate Garraway, who's a new face to our...

-Hello!

-..GMTV happy family.

0:37:230:37:29

'I was really nervous.'

0:37:290:37:30

-It's good to be here.

-You won't be, by the end of the week.

0:37:300:37:33

Bless me. So young, so young.

0:37:330:37:36

So sweet, so innocent.

0:37:360:37:38

..On the programme this morning?

0:37:380:37:39

Yeah, 5,000 children need adopting in this country right now.

0:37:390:37:43

Find out how you might be able to help, in 15 minutes.

0:37:430:37:46

Following in the footsteps of Anne Diamond,

0:37:460:37:49

Kate joined GMTV in 2000 with her first show alongside the established

0:37:490:37:52

breakfast legend Eamonn Holmes.

0:37:520:37:55

..only to be attacked by the very people they are trying to help.

0:37:550:37:59

-A report on that.

-'What was it like, working with Eamonn?'

0:37:590:38:02

He is extraordinary, Eamonn Holmes.

0:38:020:38:03

-Oh, he is.

-He's a great person to sit alongside,

0:38:030:38:07

cos he teaches you everything you need to know.

0:38:070:38:09

What is the art of being a great interviewer/journalist?

0:38:090:38:14

I think, just listen what people have to say,

0:38:140:38:17

because I think everyone's got a great story to tell.

0:38:170:38:20

That's enough about that, let me carry on.

0:38:200:38:22

No, I'm joking. LAUGHTER

0:38:220:38:24

No, I think it is, it's imperative, isn't it?

0:38:240:38:26

It is, isn't it? It's actually listening,

0:38:260:38:28

because so many people just ask a question and when the person has

0:38:280:38:31

answered, just ask another question anything, hang on a minute,

0:38:310:38:34

you weren't listening to word they said.

0:38:340:38:36

-That's what I find, yeah.

-It is tough.

0:38:360:38:38

It's a lot tougher than you think, ladies and gentlemen, sitting here,

0:38:380:38:41

doing interviews. Let me tell you. I make it look easy!

0:38:410:38:44

Cos he's brilliant! Your brilliant, aren't you?

0:38:440:38:48

Thank you very much. God bless you. I want to talk about Strictly now.

0:38:480:38:52

-Ooh.

-Your experience on Strictly.

0:38:520:38:54

Do I get an ooh and an aww?

0:38:540:38:56

I was extraordinary, wasn't I?

0:38:560:38:59

-It was 2007.

-It was 2007.

0:38:590:39:01

Now, when they said, "Would you like to go on Strictly Come Dancing," I said,

0:39:010:39:05

"Absolutely. I'm going to be brilliant at this.

0:39:050:39:08

"I dance like a storm at a wedding and obviously,

0:39:080:39:11

"it's going to be fun to wear the outfits."

0:39:110:39:13

I had no idea - A, how rubbish I was going to be

0:39:130:39:15

and B, just how hard it is.

0:39:150:39:18

-Yeah.

-I was terrible.

-Do you mean learning the dancing?

0:39:180:39:22

-Is that what you found difficult? Or remembering the steps?

-Oh, the whole thing.

0:39:220:39:25

I mean, it's nothing to do with...

0:39:250:39:28

I think that's what people don't know.

0:39:280:39:29

You think, "Oh, I can dance a bit at a wedding."

0:39:290:39:31

It's about as much like that is going for a walk around the block is

0:39:310:39:34

climbing Everest. It's a sport so I was just in total shock.

0:39:340:39:37

But it's brilliant fun, brilliant fun -

0:39:370:39:40

and I was paired up with the lovely Anton Du Beke,

0:39:400:39:42

who just made everything so much fun.

0:39:420:39:44

It was a really good time, yeah.

0:39:440:39:46

I was rubbish, though. Please don't show anything.

0:39:460:39:49

LAUGHTER

0:39:490:39:50

My children might be watching.

0:39:500:39:52

I want them to still have the illusion I was quite good.

0:39:520:39:54

-They've never seen it.

-Have they never seen it?

0:39:540:39:56

-You've never shown it to them?

-No, because they were so little.

0:39:560:39:59

-You haven't saved any on tape?

-No, Darcy is very proud and says,

0:39:590:40:02

"Oh, my mum was on Strictly. She was amazing." So one day, I'm going to have to

0:40:020:40:05

-break the news to them.

-Burst their bubble.

-It was very embarrassing.

0:40:050:40:08

-You'd be brilliant. Don't you think he'd be good?

-CROWD:

-Yes!

0:40:080:40:11

You think so, ladies and gentlemen? HE HUMS STRICTLY THEME

0:40:110:40:14

-See? You see?

-Hey!

-You see?

0:40:140:40:17

-Already - seven!

-Yeah(!)

0:40:170:40:20

So, what do you watch these days on TV?

0:40:250:40:27

I'm still a news addict.

0:40:270:40:30

I still love my rolling news,

0:40:300:40:33

I still always have a bit of rolling news on the TV.

0:40:330:40:36

-I love Modern Family. Do you watch Modern Family?

-Yeah.

-Very funny, isn't it?

-Very good.

0:40:360:40:41

I've been getting into The Man In The High Castle.

0:40:410:40:43

-Have you seen that?

-No, I haven't, no.

0:40:430:40:45

It's brilliant. It's if Germany won the war.

0:40:450:40:48

That's right, yeah.

0:40:480:40:49

That's good, you should try that one.

0:40:490:40:52

I love all that and big dramas - I love all the big American dramas.

0:40:520:40:56

Yeah, wonderful.

0:40:560:40:58

-I love telly.

-Would you have liked to have been an actress?

0:40:580:41:01

An actress...? That's a good question.

0:41:010:41:04

I don't know. I...

0:41:040:41:07

I don't think I would have been a very good actress, actually.

0:41:070:41:11

But don't you think being a journalist and being an interviewer

0:41:110:41:17

requires an amount of acting?

0:41:170:41:20

Well, I don't know really.

0:41:200:41:22

Does it? Or does is it actually demand the opposite -

0:41:220:41:25

that you just stay yourself and concentrate on being yourself in chaos?

0:41:250:41:28

I don't know. I'm not sure that it is the same, acting.

0:41:280:41:31

Is it? Do you think it is? You're a performer though, aren't you?

0:41:310:41:34

I'm an entertainer, yeah.

0:41:340:41:36

-That's my job.

-So, you're an entertainer, you're a performer.

0:41:360:41:39

You've got that in you, whereas I...

0:41:390:41:41

-But I need a crowd.

-Do you?

-I need an audience.

0:41:410:41:43

LAUGHTER

0:41:430:41:44

I don't know about this lot, but, yeah.

0:41:440:41:46

-Normally, yeah.

-You like a crowd?

0:41:460:41:49

Yeah, that's what I play off and that's what I've always enjoyed.

0:41:490:41:53

I've done films and I didn't like it.

0:41:530:41:57

-It felt... You relied too much on the director.

-Right.

0:41:570:42:02

You like a live theatre situation?

0:42:020:42:06

What I like is that you are now interviewing me.

0:42:060:42:08

LAUGHTER

0:42:080:42:10

You see? This is my show and on my show...

0:42:100:42:13

"You give the answers, Garraway!"

0:42:130:42:16

Yes, on my show,

0:42:160:42:18

we let our guest choose the theme tune for us to play out on.

0:42:180:42:22

OK. Oh...

0:42:220:42:24

-We'd love you to pick something.

-So many theme tunes. I think it's going to have to be Nationwide,

0:42:240:42:29

just because that was such a big show when I was little, that I think

0:42:290:42:32

decided what I ended up doing for a living and probably the sort of person

0:42:320:42:37

I am, actually. So yeah, it's got to be Nationwide, I think.

0:42:370:42:40

Well, the sort of person you are is very beautiful, very glamorous and very dear.

0:42:400:42:44

-Oh, bless you.

-And thank you very much for being on.

0:42:440:42:48

-Thank you. So nice to see you.

-And you too. So, my thanks to Kate and my

0:42:480:42:52

thanks to you for watching The TV That Made Me.

0:42:520:42:54

-We'll see you next time. Bye-bye.

-Thank you.

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