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-I had one big secret. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
-It was something -that I found difficult to accept. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
-My name is Adam Price... | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
-..and I'm on a journey to learn more -about the 1984-85 Miners's Strike. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
-I remember... | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
-..and I'm not ready to forgive them. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
-If we'd have turned back... | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
-..it would've been the end of -South Wales's mining communities. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
-Until the day I die, -I will always consider them scabs. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
-We lost so much -but also benefitted from the strike. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
-What have we won? -What have we gained? | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
-This isn't picketing. -This is murder! | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
-It changed my life. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
-We fought for a whole year -to work down a coal mine. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
-You're a scab because your father's -a scab and you'll always be a scab. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:19 | |
-Without my experience of the strike, -I can't imagine who I would be. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:25 | |
-Are you ready? It's turning. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
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-I was 15, going on 16... | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
-..during the Miners's Strike. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
-I had one big secret. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
-I'd known that I was different -since my days at primary school. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
-I was gay but I hadn't told anyone. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
-Even I found it difficult to accept. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
-I worried about the reaction -of my parents... | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
-..and their friends -within the community. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
-To some degree, you could argue... | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
-..that the mining community culture -was very macho. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
-For example, my father was a miner. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
-He was also a former -Welsh boxing champion. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
-You couldn't get anyone more macho. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
-When I look back, -I realize that I struggled... | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
-..with trying to bridge both worlds. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
-Being gay was something foreign and -it was very "London" and distant. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:05 | |
-During the strike, I met other -gay people for the first time. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
-London's Lesbians and Gays -Support the Miners alliance... | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
-..arrived here on a Sunday evening. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
-The group came to -Pantyffynnon Rugby Club. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
-My father, mother and the miners -and their families were all there. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
-They sat among the gays and lesbians -and welcomed them. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:40 | |
-For me, it was an amazing moment. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
-That's when I started to realize -that I could be a complete person. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:51 | |
-I felt that I could tell -my mother and father that I was gay. | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
-The strike made all the difference. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
-It taught me -not to lie about my sexuality. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:11 | |
-I've learnt a lot since being here -as I've been to over 200 meetings. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
-I've spoken at public meetings -with over 500 people in attendance. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
-It will be incredibly difficult -to return to my old life. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
-To understand how I -and Welsh mining communities... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
-..met the gay community during -the strike, I've come to Brixton. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
-I met an Amman Valley miner who was -central to the close relationship... | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
-..between South London communities -and Welsh men who were on strike. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
-What did you expect when you heard -that you were coming to Brixton? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
-In a way, it was a culture shock. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
-At the time, I lived in Ammanford. -and coming here was quite a shock. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
-Before arriving here, -we were all quite scared. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
-We weren't aware of the rioting -that had been taking place. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
-We had a warm welcome, -fair play to them. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
-This is the location -of the market... | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
-..where we had a permit for a stall. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
-We sold jumpers, mugs and badges -with the slogan, "Coal Not Dole". | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
-How much money do you make in a day? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
-Yesterday, we made 179. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
-That's just by collecting money. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
-That's just by collecting money. - -Yes, and selling our goods. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
-The locals got to know us -whilst we also collected money. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
-We talked to people -about our experiences... | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
-..and we had -a very warm welcome here. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
-What's it been like -to mix with the people here? | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
-It hasn't been a shock, -but it's been an experience. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
-People around here -have been incredibly good to us. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
-They're in the same situation... | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
-..with issues -like police harassments. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
-We ended up with an office -inside the town hall. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:48 | |
-Our first office -was in a nuclear bunker. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
-If a nuclear bomb were to go off... | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
-..Maggie Thatcher -would walk away from her bunker... | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
-..and six miners from South Wales -would emerge from theirs! | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
-We'd always have two men -at the top of these steps. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
-They would be stood -in front of a banner. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
-Every Sunday, six men from Cynheidre -would come and stay for a week. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
-Two would stand here and -two collected money on the tubes. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
-Have you had trouble -with the police? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
-We've been chased -all around the place, to be honest. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-We have to retreat when we see them. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
-They have a tendency -to move or arrest us. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-We also had anther two on the stall -whilst I attended meetings. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
-Was the money raised -sent back to the families? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
-When a family was in debt -or faced losing their home... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
-..we would help to pay -electricity bills with our fund. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
-We didn't imagine -that a place like Brixton... | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
-..would be a place with the same -sort of problems as us in Wales. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:09 | |
-It's interesting to see -how two communities so far apart... | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
-..with nothing in common -in terms of history... | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
-..can have so much in common -in terms of principles. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
-Let's go in here. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
-It was a gay bar at the time. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
-Did you know that before going in or -notice that there weren't any women? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
-It was a real culture shock! | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-Thirty years have passed -and everything has changed here. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
-Can you explain -why you came to London? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
-We came here -as we didn't have any money left. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
-It looked like the government was -going to sequestrate Union funds. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
-That would've left families -without the means to buy food. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:10 | |
-We needed money from somewhere. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
-The Union couldn't help -so we had to find another way. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
-We then came to London. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
-I came to Brixton -from the small village of Hendy. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
-It was a big step. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
-However, we made the right decision -by coming here. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
-Despite being a poor area, -we had support. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
-We could've gone to a richer area... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
-..but we might not have received the -support we experienced in Brixton. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
-Boys from Pontyberem would meet -in this pub, The Prince of Wales. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
-They wouldn't have experienced -a completely gay bar before. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:58 | |
-When they arrived here, they were -scared to go to the toilet alone. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
-It would've looked even worse -if they went in pairs! | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
-It was a real eye-opener. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
-We saw another way of life -and there was nothing wrong with it. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
-They're no different to anyone else. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
-They're no different to anyone else. - -People are people. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
-They worked hard to support -the miners and their families... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:25 | |
-..who were left without any money -and it was incredible. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-The strike split Britain -but it also bridged communities. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:36 | |
-There weren't any mines here... | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
-..and they didn't have a direct -connection with South Wales. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
-It's strange to think that people -in London made such an effort. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
-We were fighting -to keep our pits open... | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
-..and our communities -close and alive. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
-People fought for a whole year... | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
-..just to work down a coal mine. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
-We knew that if the mine closed, -nothing else would open. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
-The community only existed because -of the coal mines and coal itself. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
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-My name is Adam Price... | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-..and I'm on a journey to learn more -about the 1984-85 Miners's Strike. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
-I can vividly remember my mother -working with the support groups. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
-These groups were vital to ensure -that miners could stay on strike... | 0:11:43 | 0:11:49 | |
-..especially as the battle -stretched to over six months... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
-..and threatened to continue -long after Christmas. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
-But what did it mean for women -within the mining communities? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
-Sian James is the wife of a miner -and the strike transformed her life. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
-We don't want to let down the boys. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
-The Union promised to stand by them -and we won't let them down. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
-Sian, -we're at the Onllwyn Welfare Hall. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
-Did this building play a key role -during the Miners's Strike? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
-It was central to the strike. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
-We nicknamed it -"The Palace of Culture!" | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
-This is where everything happened -including the group meetings... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
-..so it became an important part -of our lives during the strike. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
-I was a mother and wife. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
-I married at the young age of 16. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-I left school to get married. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
-When Martin went to work that day, -he returned very early. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
-I asked him -why he'd come home so early. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-He told me that a picket line -had formed at Abernant. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
-He'd do anything for me, -except cross a picket line. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
-I understood, -as I came from a background... | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
-..where you would never -cross a picket line. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
-Why did women play such a -leading role during the strike... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
-..in South Wales and beyond? | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
-We could see what was happening -to our community. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
-At the start, my personal aim -was to raise money to buy food. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
-We would fill bags of food... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
-..and every miner and his family -would receive a few bags. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
-What they received -depended on the size of the family. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-Miners from places like France -donated their foreign foods. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
-You received caviar from Russia! | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
-You received caviar from Russia! - -Yes, that's right. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
-What was it like during Christmas? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
-Christmas is important in Wales -and we like to spoil the children. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
-Did you still look forward -to a Christmas without any money? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
-We were worried about the money. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
-However, -our fund-raising support group... | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
-..had been very organized. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
-We'd made a deal with -a turkey company in Pembrokeshire. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
-We were going to receive -damaged turkeys. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
-Turkeys were sometimes damaged... | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-..as they passed through -the machines when being prepared. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
-The turkey's wings -might have been chopped off. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:49 | |
-You didn't know if you would receive -a turkey with a leg or not! | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
-We didn't care -as we had a turkey on the table. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
-The strike changed -the traditional role of women. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
-You got involved in politics and the -Union asked you to speak publicly. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
-Towards the end, the women -organized the picket buses. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
-We would discuss political topics. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
-We chatted about the problems -that we faced. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
-If someone considered returning -to work, we would talk about it. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
-We would discuss the strike -and politics in a wider context. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
-We didn't confine discussions -to just our community. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
-We were invited -to speak publicly... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
-..in places like London, -Manchester and Birmingham. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
-We travelled to North Wales... | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
-..to participate in meetings -organized by Cymdeithas Yr Iaith. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
-They didn't vote -in the same way as us... | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
-..but we had the same principles -and beliefs. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
-If your husband had decided -to return to work... | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
-..how would you have reacted? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
-To be honest, I would've -thrown him out of the house. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
-I stood by his side... | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
-..and supported him -every step of the way. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-He would've let us down. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
-I couldn't imagine not winning. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
-I still find it difficult -to admit our loss. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
-I still can't utter the words. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-I knew that if we were to give in... | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
-..and surrender to them... | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
-..then it would be the end of -mining communities in South Wales. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
-You were a miner's wife -at the start of the strike. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
-The strike took you -on a personal journey. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
-It led you to the House of Commons, -where I used to work. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
-Yes, in Westminster. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
-I was scared that I'd be -pushed back into the home... | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-..and to that traditional life. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
-I was worried that there wouldn't be -any more opportunities. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
-I came to realize -that I had changed. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
-My circumstances hadn't changed -but I was different. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
-South Wales's miners -will remain militant tomorrow. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
-However, one Welsh pit -has opted for a different strategy. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
-Clwyd's Point of Ayr Colliery... | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-..is the only Welsh pit that has -been open over the past weeks. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
-It's a wintery morning... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
-..but I've come to a -North-East corner of Wales... | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
-..to hear about the coalfield -in this part of Wales. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
-For me, the strike -was all about South Wales. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
-However, there was a coalfield and -miners in this part of Wales too. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
-They have their own story about -the strike and I've come to hear it. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
-In the North Wales coalfield, -there were two mines. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
-They were the Point of Ayr -and Bersham collieries. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
-Bersham Colliery -initially supported the strike... | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
-..and only returned to work eight -months after the strike started. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
-It was a different story -at the Point of Ayr Colliery. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
-A majority of miners followed -the example of Nottingham's pits... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
-..and continued working as normal. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
-However, a small group of miners -were brave enough to strike. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
-I wanted to know why they decided -to go against the majority. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:01 | |
-We've been split down the middle. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
-Don't you feel a little spineless? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
-Are you selfish -and doing it for the money? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
-No, not at all. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
-We believe it's those on strike -that are spineless. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
-Thirty years have passed. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
-Was the Point of Ayr Colliery -a good place to work? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
-It was, before the strike. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
-It was a good place to work. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
-Following the strike... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
-..everything changed. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
-You produced lots of coal. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
-It was a successful pit. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
-Point of Ayr is situated three miles -to the sea from the Dee estuary... | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
-..which makes it different -to other pits. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
-The colliery makes a profit. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
-It's recently been making -a 6 profit per ton... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
-..whilst South Wales mines -make a loss of 13 per ton. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
-How did the strike start -at Point of Ayr? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
-The pickets came from South Wales. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
-That was the start of it. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
-I can remember coming out and -seeing the pickets from South Wales. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
-We had a meeting at Gronant. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
-They voted not to go on strike. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
-I stood up and I told them that -they were a disgrace to the NUM. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
-Why did you go on strike... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
-..when most of them didn't? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
-What's your personal reason? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
-I was answering a question. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
-Did we want to see these people -losing their jobs? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
-Yes or no? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
-That was the question -that we were answering. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
-We weren't going to vote -and put these people on the dole. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
-I believe they've been blinded. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
-They have been blinded -by newspapers and money. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
-That's what I think. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
-Over 700 men worked at Point of Ayr. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
-How many went on strike, Vic? | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
-We ended up with 89 -at the very end. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
-That was a miserable year for us, -the striking miners of Point of Ayr. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
-We were fighting the government... | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
-..and our own workmates. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
-Scabs, you are! | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
-Scabs! | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
-I don't believe that was -Point of Ayr's finest hour. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
-Scabs! Scabs! | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
-There are 691 employees. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
-Six weeks ago, three quarters -of them continued working... | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
-..despite pressure from picketers. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
-They should accept -that we're all out on strike. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
-If they don't want to strike... | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
-..we should send them all -to the wilderness! | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
-Did you feel ashamed... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
-..when you saw your co-workers -breaking the strike? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-Yes. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
-My grandfather had worked -at the Point of Ayr Colliery. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
-My father and I worked there, -along with my son. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
-Towards the end, I felt ashamed. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
-I didn't admit to everyone -where I worked. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
-Point of Ayr became notorious. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
-We were disappointed. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-We saw men going to work on a bus, -whilst we were on the picket line. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
-There was one time... | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
-..when they threw bread from the bus -on their way home. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
-They threw food at you? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
-They threw food -out of the bus window. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
-Did you hate or pity those -breaking the strike? | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
-No. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
-I wouldn't pass anyone. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
-But I remember. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
-We all remember. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
-Can we ever forget? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
-I won't forget. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
-I can't forgive them. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
-You can't forgive them completely? | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
-You can't forgive them completely? - -No, not at all. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
-I'm 81. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
-I should've learnt -how to forgive them. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
-But I can't. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
-The first day -after the strike started... | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
-..we went to the pit -where it was completely silent. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
-I stood on my feet... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
-..and told those -who weren't on strike... | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
-..that I knew them better... | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
-..after what they had done. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
-I didn't speak to them after that. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
-Do you feel -that you lost the strike? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
-No, not at all. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
-I don't feel that way. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
-I don't feel that way. - -I do. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
-You feel that way? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
-You feel that way? - -We've all lost. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
-No. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:24 | |
-I think that it's a testament to us -that we tried. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-Lots of people didn't try. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
-Would you do it all again? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:34 | |
-Would you do it all again? - -Yes, I certainly would. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
-I don't want "scab" -on my gravestone. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
-That brought a tear to my eye.... | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
-..and it was so powerful. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
-In a way, -it was easier in South Wales... | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
-..because there were -20,000 out on strike. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
-It's difficult to be out -on your own... | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
-..on the North Wales coast. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-They passed the test. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
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-The battle continued -through the summer and into winter. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
-The financial strain affected -the miners and their families. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
-As a miner's son, I want to -discover the truth about the strike. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
-Wayne Thomas is the president -of the NUM in South Wales. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
-People are only starting to realize -its importance. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
-It changed people's lives, -Wales and the whole of Britain. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
-Before the strike... | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
-..our lives revolved -around the mining industry. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
-After the strike, -we didn't have the same outlook. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
-Nothing had been said, -but we all knew that it was the end. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
-The NUM was at its peak... | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
-..with thousands of members -at one time. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
-However, the numbers have dwindled. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
-How many members do you have? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
-There are currently 200 -with full membership of the NUM. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
-There are 200 people -now working in the industry... | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
-..but back in those days, -there were 200 in a small colliery. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
-The situation -has changed dramatically. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
-At the time, I worked -at Abernant Colliery in Rhydyfro. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
-I was married at 21. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
-I entered the strike -as one of three brothers. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
-We all worked at Abernant. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
-During the winter, -it was much more difficult. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
-We were six months in -and without money. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
-Did you have any children? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
-My eldest daughter was born in May, -during the strike. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
-I remember queuing for food parcels -outside Ystradgynlais Welfare Hall. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:28 | |
-It was hard as I wanted to work. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
-When we queued for food parcels, -people called us scroungers. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
-Miners were slowly returning to work -at collieries including Cynheidre. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
-I had discussions with my brothers. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
-One month after starting, we asked -ourselves why we were on strike. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
-It was always -at the back of our minds. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
-We'd heard of people -returning to work in England. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
-We thought that it was different -for them. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
-When someone you knew -returned to work... | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
-..you started to wonder -if you really knew them. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
-They weren't bad men, but it was -hard to understand their reasoning. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:16 | |
-At the time, -men used the word "scab". | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
-We all felt strongly -about the matter. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
-However, -how do you feel about them now? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
-Do you have more sympathy -towards them? | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
-No, not at all. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
-I knew people who returned to work -and they didn't want any help. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
-They returned, regardless -of what anyone said or did. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
-They were determined to return, -no matter how much help they got. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
-I know that 30 years have passed... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
-..but when someone -returned to work... | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
-..I feel as strongly today -as I did back then. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
-Men who crossed the line were scabs -and they'll always be scabs. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
-Until the day I die, -I will consider them scabs. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:06 | |
-If the miners want to go back, -let them go back. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
-There's a life lost -through all this. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
-There are two children -without their father for Christmas. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
-I mean... | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
-It's just not worth it. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:32 | |
-It's just not worth it. - -No. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
-Despite society's hatred towards -those who broke the strike... | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
-..men in South Wales started -returning to work before Christmas. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
-The consequences of going against -society's wishes could be awful. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
-I met the former Chief Constable -of South Wales, David East... | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
-..to learn about the worst tragedy -of the Miners's Strike. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
-I got the phone call at 6.00am -- "Chief, we've got a murder." | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
-David Williams -from Tan y Lan in Rhymney... | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
-..had returned to work -at the Merthyr Vale mine. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
-This morning, he left home in the -back of a taxi, hired by the board. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
-As the taxi travelled along -the Heads of the Valleys Road... | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
-..two pillars of concrete -were dropped from a bridge. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
-One yard-long pillar -went through the front windscreen. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
-The taxi driver, David Wilkie -lost control of the vehicle. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
-When I got to Merthyr, -the press of the world was there. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
-This isn't industrial action. -This isn't picketing. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
-This is murder. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
-It was a completely unacceptable act -by any standards. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
-Fortunately, a bus driver -going to work at 5.30am... | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
-..had seen both culprits -run off the bridge into a house. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
-They were arrested, thank goodness. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
-Had there been a protracted enquiry, -trying to solve that incident... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
-..we would've accused the miners -of all sorts of harassment. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
-They were convicted of murder -so in my view, it was murder. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
-It was reduced to manslaughter -later on. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
-Our sympathy went out to Wilkie -and his family. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
-Was it an emotional turning point -during the strike? | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
-I think it certainly was. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
-Because of that, it was difficult -for Mr Scargill to defend it. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
-I feel certain that the miners -lost a lot of support because of it. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
-My role was quite simple. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
-It's police duty to uphold the law. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
-When this dreadful year was over... | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
-..we, in South Wales -would have to live together. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
-We're a small area -with an intense population. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
-When this was over, we'd have to -get back to some sort of normality. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
-Many policemen in South Wales... | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
-..were sons of miners -and were related to miners. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
-Many of them had married -miners's daughters. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
-We were very intimately involved -with the people we were policing. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
-I don't want to give the impression -that we were soft. We weren't. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
-There were confrontations, miners -were arrested and we upheld the law. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:40 | |
-At the time and subsequently, -some said there were elements... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
-..that resembled a police state -with people being sent back... | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
-..there were road blocks and scenes -that we weren't really used to. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
-Look at it from the point of view -of a police officer. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
-We had riot gear in the -luggage compartment of the bus. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
-Wherever you may be, -adrenaline was flowing. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
-You're going to be in a -confrontational situation. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
-You are determined -to show them who's boss. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
-From the point of the pickets... | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
-..when they would see this military -approach by a body of men... | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
-..of course, -there was immediate confrontation. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
-Did it cause any soul searching? | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
-It caused real soul searching -for me. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
-From the perspective -of the working miner... | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-..he was trying to protect -his livelihood and family. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
-He wasn't a criminal, -thief or villain... | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
-..but because of the strike... | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
-..he was pitched against -the law, the government and police. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
-Picketing and demonstrations -are lawful... | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
-..but it's also lawful... | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
-..that if a man wants to go to work, -he should be allowed to go. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
-When the strike was over, I got -a phonecall from Downing Street... | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
-..asking that I send two police -inspectors to Downing Street... | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
-..to have cocktails -with the Prime Minister. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
-She wanted to personally thank -the principle forces... | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
-..involved in policing the strike. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
-I said to this chap on the phone, -"We won't be coming." | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
-He paused and asked why. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
-I said, "Please give my best wishes -to the Prime Minister... | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
-"..but we won't be coming as we've -kept the lid on this in South Wales. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
-"If I send two officers to London... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
-"..to meet with the Prime Minister, -simply for doing their job... | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
-"..I will undo all that's done." | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-I did right by my employers and -the people I served in South Wales. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
-The defeat of the miners -wasn't something to celebrate. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
-No, not at all. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
-Well... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
-..it's very sad to see images... | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
-..of the death of David Wilkie. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
-It was a tragedy. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
-We should also remember... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
-..that two miners -died on the picket line... | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
-..under questionable circumstances. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
-It's difficult to admit... | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
-..but to be completely honest... | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
-..if you had experienced -the strike... | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
-..your attitude towards the police -changed forever. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
-I had never been in trouble... | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
-..but we were the troublemakers. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
-We were the enemy. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
-Even today, -I still get that feeling. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
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-They're all going to -drift back to work gradually. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
-Nothing makes sense at the moment. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
-We'll all have to return to work -because we've lost our issue. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
-If there's a sore on your finger, -you try to cure it. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
-If you have gangrene, -you've got to cut it off. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
-That's how I feel about this scab. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
-I wish you wouldn't refer -to him as a "man" - he's a scab. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
-I warn you that if -at the conclusion of this dispute... | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
-..you are still crossing -our picket lines... | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
-..you'll be stained -until the end of time as a scab! | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
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-Scabs! | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
-Scabs! - -Scabs! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
-I remember feeling disappointed... | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
-..as more and more British miners -returned to work. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
-However, I couldn't believe it when -miners from South Wales returned... | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
-..especially miners from my area. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
-Cynheidre Colliery -in the west of the coalfield... | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
-..was where a majority of miners -broke the strike in South Wales. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
-I've come to meet a strike breaker -and his wife in Pontyberem. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
-I'm unsure how I'll feel and react -to what I'm about to hear. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
-We've already lost ground -and I can't see a way of winning. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
-No-one will talk about the matter... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
-..so we've been left -feeling defeated. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
-From the onset, Scargill -turned men against each other. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
-We couldn't win. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
-This wasn't a "Miners's Strike". | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
-We were used in Arthur Scargill -and Maggie Thatcher's strike. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
-Did you go on strike? | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
-Yes, I supported the strike -for seven months... | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
-..but for how much longer -was it going to continue? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
-Neither side was going to give in. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
-An increasing number of us... | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
-..were forced to do -what we had to do. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-We had to return to work. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
-I couldn't see an end to the strike. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
-I didn't see the point in it. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
-I listened to Phil discuss it and -I heard reports on the television. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
-I would often ask him -about the outcome. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
-We had two young children -and Christmas was on its way. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
-We didn't have any money. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
-We'd signed for a house just a week -before the strike started. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
-It was incredibly difficult. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
-Did you discuss his return to work? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
-We talked about it for a long time. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
-We discussed it -after the children had gone to bed. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
-We didn't want them to hear -what was being said. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
-In a small community... | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
-..it must have been very difficult. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
-..it must have been very difficult. - -It was hard. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:42 | |
-Once you returned to work, -did others feel angry? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:48 | |
-One of the girls -experienced some trouble at school. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
-One of the girls had a father -who supported the strike. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
-She pushed our daughter -against a wall and told her... | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
-.."You're a scab, as your father is -a scab and you'll always be a scab." | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
-You shouldn't tell a five-year-old -something like that. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
-Scab, scab, scab. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
-I hope you turn around and say, -"I was one of the scabs." | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
-Did you support the strike? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
-Did you support the strike? - -Yes, 100%. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
-I felt strongly about it and -supported it until the final weeks. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
-I can't lie to you. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
-I was on the other side. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
-We're all entitled -to our own opinion. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
-We didn't need a strike, -we gained nothing from the strike... | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
-..and it was an illegal strike -from the start. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
-You must have been on pins -on the eve of returning to work. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
-I didn't sleep much that night. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
-I imagined how many hundreds -would be outside Cynheidre Colliery. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
-I didn't want anything to go wrong. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
-I wondered what I'd do -once I had returned to work. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
-We would hear stories such as -the killing of the taxi driver. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:18 | |
-Everything went through my mind. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
-It wasn't a good feeling when -I stepped on the bus that morning. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:27 | |
-There were wires -covering the windows. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
-It felt like I -was going to prison... | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
-..and that I'd done something wrong. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
-However, we were just -returning to work. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
-We wanted to work. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
-Did you feel like you were -letting your co-workers down? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
-I wasn't letting them down. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
-I had been out on strike with them -for eight months! | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
-But, by not staying out on strike... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
-..did you feel -that you were letting them down? | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
-No, not at all. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
-I'm certain... | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
-..that over half of them -were fed up with the strike. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
-They wanted the strike -to come to an end. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
-When we arrived at Cynheidre... | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
-..we saw the crowds stood there. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
-It wasn't our co-workers -that were stood outside the gate. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
-It was women on the picket line. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
-They were showing their support. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
-Support? Is that what you call it? | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
-Twelve women broke into -the locker room at Cynheidre... | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
-..and used our lockers as toilets! | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
-How did it feel to cross the -picket line for the first time? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:03 | |
-I can't say that I was happy -about crossing the picket line. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
-It wasn't something that I enjoyed. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
-Once we returned to work... | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
-..that was it and the -most difficult part was over. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
-I was on the picket line as the -strike breakers returned to Betws. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
-I couldn't believe -that they were doing it. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
-They were breaking our community. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:36 | |
-I have no hard feelings because of -what you did on the picket line. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
-Those were your feelings. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
-However, I thought differently... | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
-..as a miner and member of the NUM. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
-There's always two sides -to every story. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
-I was only interested in returning -to work and keeping my job. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
-Therefore, I continued to work. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
-The first day was hardest. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
-Did things become easier -as time went on? | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
-It got easier once the pay came... | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
-..but it took months and years... | 0:45:26 | 0:45:32 | |
-..for things to go back to normal. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
-Those who supported the strike... | 0:45:35 | 0:45:41 | |
-..admitted to losing a lot -due to the strike... | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
-..but benefitted in other ways. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
-Like what? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
-Nothing positive -came from the strike... | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
-..because we lost. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
-What have we won? -What have we gained? | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
-From the first day... | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
-..more men got on the bus -to pass the picket line. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:16 | |
-When I returned to work, -there were 15 of us on the bus. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:21 | |
-However, -the week before Christmas... | 0:46:22 | 0:46:28 | |
-..there were up to 90 men -going back to work. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
-I didn't go on strike with -the intention of doing what I did. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
-Is your conscience clear? | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
-Is your conscience clear? - -I haven't done anything wrong. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
-Can you sleep soundly at night? | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
-And I walk with my head held high. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
-I believe that what he did -was wrong. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
-He has his self-pride -and feels happy with his decision. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
-I'm trying to understand... | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
-..but there's still part of me that -can't understand why they did it. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
-It was something very selfish. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
-Others were suffering... | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
-..and they didn't need to do it. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
-We were in the same situation -but my parents found the strength... | 0:47:22 | 0:47:27 | |
-..and refused to give in. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
-I still condemn the act -of breaking the strike. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
-I still believe that it was selfish. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
-I was utterly helpless. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
-So helpless that I -couldn't confess helplessness. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
-He came to the door -and it was like seeing a ghost. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
-I saw grown men in tears -at having to go back. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
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