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-I had one big secret.

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-It was something

-that I found difficult to accept.

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-My name is Adam Price...

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-..and I'm on a journey to learn more

-about the 1984-85 Miners's Strike.

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-I remember...

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-..and I'm not ready to forgive them.

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-If we'd have turned back...

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-..it would've been the end of

-South Wales's mining communities.

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-Until the day I die,

-I will always consider them scabs.

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-We lost so much

-but also benefitted from the strike.

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-What have we won?

-What have we gained?

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-This isn't picketing.

-This is murder!

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-It changed my life.

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-We fought for a whole year

-to work down a coal mine.

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-You're a scab because your father's

-a scab and you'll always be a scab.

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-Without my experience of the strike,

-I can't imagine who I would be.

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-Are you ready? It's turning.

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-STRIKE

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-I was 15, going on 16...

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-..during the Miners's Strike.

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-I had one big secret.

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-I'd known that I was different

-since my days at primary school.

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-I was gay but I hadn't told anyone.

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-Even I found it difficult to accept.

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-I worried about the reaction

-of my parents...

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-..and their friends

-within the community.

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-To some degree, you could argue...

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-..that the mining community culture

-was very macho.

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-For example, my father was a miner.

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-He was also a former

-Welsh boxing champion.

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-You couldn't get anyone more macho.

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-When I look back,

-I realize that I struggled...

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-..with trying to bridge both worlds.

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-Being gay was something foreign and

-it was very "London" and distant.

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-During the strike, I met other

-gay people for the first time.

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-London's Lesbians and Gays

-Support the Miners alliance...

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-..arrived here on a Sunday evening.

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-The group came to

-Pantyffynnon Rugby Club.

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-My father, mother and the miners

-and their families were all there.

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-They sat among the gays and lesbians

-and welcomed them.

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-For me, it was an amazing moment.

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-That's when I started to realize

-that I could be a complete person.

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-I felt that I could tell

-my mother and father that I was gay.

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-The strike made all the difference.

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-It taught me

-not to lie about my sexuality.

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-I've learnt a lot since being here

-as I've been to over 200 meetings.

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-I've spoken at public meetings

-with over 500 people in attendance.

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-It will be incredibly difficult

-to return to my old life.

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-To understand how I

-and Welsh mining communities...

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-..met the gay community during

-the strike, I've come to Brixton.

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-I met an Amman Valley miner who was

-central to the close relationship...

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-..between South London communities

-and Welsh men who were on strike.

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-What did you expect when you heard

-that you were coming to Brixton?

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-In a way, it was a culture shock.

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-At the time, I lived in Ammanford.

-and coming here was quite a shock.

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-Before arriving here,

-we were all quite scared.

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-We weren't aware of the rioting

-that had been taking place.

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-We had a warm welcome,

-fair play to them.

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-This is the location

-of the market...

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-..where we had a permit for a stall.

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-We sold jumpers, mugs and badges

-with the slogan, "Coal Not Dole".

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-How much money do you make in a day?

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-Yesterday, we made 179.

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-That's just by collecting money.

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-That's just by collecting money.

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-Yes, and selling our goods.

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-The locals got to know us

-whilst we also collected money.

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-We talked to people

-about our experiences...

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-..and we had

-a very warm welcome here.

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-What's it been like

-to mix with the people here?

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-It hasn't been a shock,

-but it's been an experience.

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-People around here

-have been incredibly good to us.

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-They're in the same situation...

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-..with issues

-like police harassments.

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-We ended up with an office

-inside the town hall.

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-Our first office

-was in a nuclear bunker.

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-If a nuclear bomb were to go off...

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-..Maggie Thatcher

-would walk away from her bunker...

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-..and six miners from South Wales

-would emerge from theirs!

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-We'd always have two men

-at the top of these steps.

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-They would be stood

-in front of a banner.

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-Every Sunday, six men from Cynheidre

-would come and stay for a week.

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-Two would stand here and

-two collected money on the tubes.

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-Have you had trouble

-with the police?

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-We've been chased

-all around the place, to be honest.

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-We have to retreat when we see them.

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-They have a tendency

-to move or arrest us.

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-We also had anther two on the stall

-whilst I attended meetings.

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-Was the money raised

-sent back to the families?

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-When a family was in debt

-or faced losing their home...

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-..we would help to pay

-electricity bills with our fund.

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-We didn't imagine

-that a place like Brixton...

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-..would be a place with the same

-sort of problems as us in Wales.

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-It's interesting to see

-how two communities so far apart...

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-..with nothing in common

-in terms of history...

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-..can have so much in common

-in terms of principles.

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-Let's go in here.

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-It was a gay bar at the time.

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-Did you know that before going in or

-notice that there weren't any women?

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-It was a real culture shock!

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-Thirty years have passed

-and everything has changed here.

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-Can you explain

-why you came to London?

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-We came here

-as we didn't have any money left.

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-It looked like the government was

-going to sequestrate Union funds.

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-That would've left families

-without the means to buy food.

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-We needed money from somewhere.

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-The Union couldn't help

-so we had to find another way.

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-We then came to London.

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-I came to Brixton

-from the small village of Hendy.

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-It was a big step.

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-However, we made the right decision

-by coming here.

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-Despite being a poor area,

-we had support.

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-We could've gone to a richer area...

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-..but we might not have received the

-support we experienced in Brixton.

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-Boys from Pontyberem would meet

-in this pub, The Prince of Wales.

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-They wouldn't have experienced

-a completely gay bar before.

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-When they arrived here, they were

-scared to go to the toilet alone.

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-It would've looked even worse

-if they went in pairs!

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-It was a real eye-opener.

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-We saw another way of life

-and there was nothing wrong with it.

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-They're no different to anyone else.

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-They're no different to anyone else.

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-People are people.

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-They worked hard to support

-the miners and their families...

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-..who were left without any money

-and it was incredible.

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-The strike split Britain

-but it also bridged communities.

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-There weren't any mines here...

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-..and they didn't have a direct

-connection with South Wales.

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-It's strange to think that people

-in London made such an effort.

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-We were fighting

-to keep our pits open...

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-..and our communities

-close and alive.

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-People fought for a whole year...

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-..just to work down a coal mine.

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-We knew that if the mine closed,

-nothing else would open.

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-The community only existed because

-of the coal mines and coal itself.

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-My name is Adam Price...

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-..and I'm on a journey to learn more

-about the 1984-85 Miners's Strike.

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-I can vividly remember my mother

-working with the support groups.

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-These groups were vital to ensure

-that miners could stay on strike...

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-..especially as the battle

-stretched to over six months...

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-..and threatened to continue

-long after Christmas.

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-But what did it mean for women

-within the mining communities?

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-Sian James is the wife of a miner

-and the strike transformed her life.

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-We don't want to let down the boys.

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-The Union promised to stand by them

-and we won't let them down.

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-Sian,

-we're at the Onllwyn Welfare Hall.

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-Did this building play a key role

-during the Miners's Strike?

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-It was central to the strike.

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-We nicknamed it

-"The Palace of Culture!"

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-This is where everything happened

-including the group meetings...

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-..so it became an important part

-of our lives during the strike.

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-I was a mother and wife.

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-I married at the young age of 16.

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-I left school to get married.

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-When Martin went to work that day,

-he returned very early.

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-I asked him

-why he'd come home so early.

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-He told me that a picket line

-had formed at Abernant.

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-He'd do anything for me,

-except cross a picket line.

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-I understood,

-as I came from a background...

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-..where you would never

-cross a picket line.

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-Why did women play such a

-leading role during the strike...

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-..in South Wales and beyond?

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-We could see what was happening

-to our community.

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-At the start, my personal aim

-was to raise money to buy food.

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-We would fill bags of food...

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-..and every miner and his family

-would receive a few bags.

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-What they received

-depended on the size of the family.

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-Miners from places like France

-donated their foreign foods.

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-You received caviar from Russia!

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-You received caviar from Russia!

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-Yes, that's right.

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-What was it like during Christmas?

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-Christmas is important in Wales

-and we like to spoil the children.

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-Did you still look forward

-to a Christmas without any money?

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-We were worried about the money.

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-However,

-our fund-raising support group...

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-..had been very organized.

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-We'd made a deal with

-a turkey company in Pembrokeshire.

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-We were going to receive

-damaged turkeys.

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-Turkeys were sometimes damaged...

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-..as they passed through

-the machines when being prepared.

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-The turkey's wings

-might have been chopped off.

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-You didn't know if you would receive

-a turkey with a leg or not!

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-We didn't care

-as we had a turkey on the table.

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-The strike changed

-the traditional role of women.

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-You got involved in politics and the

-Union asked you to speak publicly.

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-Towards the end, the women

-organized the picket buses.

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-We would discuss political topics.

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-We chatted about the problems

-that we faced.

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-If someone considered returning

-to work, we would talk about it.

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-We would discuss the strike

-and politics in a wider context.

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-We didn't confine discussions

-to just our community.

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-We were invited

-to speak publicly...

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-..in places like London,

-Manchester and Birmingham.

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-We travelled to North Wales...

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-..to participate in meetings

-organized by Cymdeithas Yr Iaith.

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-They didn't vote

-in the same way as us...

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-..but we had the same principles

-and beliefs.

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-If your husband had decided

-to return to work...

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-..how would you have reacted?

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-To be honest, I would've

-thrown him out of the house.

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-I stood by his side...

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-..and supported him

-every step of the way.

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-He would've let us down.

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-I couldn't imagine not winning.

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-I still find it difficult

-to admit our loss.

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-I still can't utter the words.

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-I knew that if we were to give in...

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-..and surrender to them...

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-..then it would be the end of

-mining communities in South Wales.

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-You were a miner's wife

-at the start of the strike.

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-The strike took you

-on a personal journey.

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-It led you to the House of Commons,

-where I used to work.

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-Yes, in Westminster.

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-I was scared that I'd be

-pushed back into the home...

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-..and to that traditional life.

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-I was worried that there wouldn't be

-any more opportunities.

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-I came to realize

-that I had changed.

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-My circumstances hadn't changed

-but I was different.

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-South Wales's miners

-will remain militant tomorrow.

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-However, one Welsh pit

-has opted for a different strategy.

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-Clwyd's Point of Ayr Colliery...

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-..is the only Welsh pit that has

-been open over the past weeks.

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-It's a wintery morning...

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-..but I've come to a

-North-East corner of Wales...

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-..to hear about the coalfield

-in this part of Wales.

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-For me, the strike

-was all about South Wales.

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-However, there was a coalfield and

-miners in this part of Wales too.

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-They have their own story about

-the strike and I've come to hear it.

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-In the North Wales coalfield,

-there were two mines.

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-They were the Point of Ayr

-and Bersham collieries.

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-Bersham Colliery

-initially supported the strike...

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-..and only returned to work eight

-months after the strike started.

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-It was a different story

-at the Point of Ayr Colliery.

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-A majority of miners followed

-the example of Nottingham's pits...

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-..and continued working as normal.

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-However, a small group of miners

-were brave enough to strike.

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-I wanted to know why they decided

-to go against the majority.

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-We've been split down the middle.

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-Don't you feel a little spineless?

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-Are you selfish

-and doing it for the money?

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-No, not at all.

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-We believe it's those on strike

-that are spineless.

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-Thirty years have passed.

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-Was the Point of Ayr Colliery

-a good place to work?

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-It was, before the strike.

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-It was a good place to work.

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-Following the strike...

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-..everything changed.

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-You produced lots of coal.

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-It was a successful pit.

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-Point of Ayr is situated three miles

-to the sea from the Dee estuary...

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-..which makes it different

-to other pits.

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-The colliery makes a profit.

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-It's recently been making

-a 6 profit per ton...

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-..whilst South Wales mines

-make a loss of 13 per ton.

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-How did the strike start

-at Point of Ayr?

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-The pickets came from South Wales.

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-That was the start of it.

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-I can remember coming out and

-seeing the pickets from South Wales.

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-We had a meeting at Gronant.

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-They voted not to go on strike.

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-I stood up and I told them that

-they were a disgrace to the NUM.

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-Why did you go on strike...

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-..when most of them didn't?

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-What's your personal reason?

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-I was answering a question.

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-Did we want to see these people

-losing their jobs?

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-Yes or no?

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-That was the question

-that we were answering.

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-We weren't going to vote

-and put these people on the dole.

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-I believe they've been blinded.

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-They have been blinded

-by newspapers and money.

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-That's what I think.

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-Over 700 men worked at Point of Ayr.

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-How many went on strike, Vic?

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-We ended up with 89

-at the very end.

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-That was a miserable year for us,

-the striking miners of Point of Ayr.

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-We were fighting the government...

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-..and our own workmates.

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-Scabs, you are!

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-Scabs!

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-I don't believe that was

-Point of Ayr's finest hour.

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-Scabs! Scabs!

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-There are 691 employees.

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-Six weeks ago, three quarters

-of them continued working...

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-..despite pressure from picketers.

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-They should accept

-that we're all out on strike.

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-If they don't want to strike...

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-..we should send them all

-to the wilderness!

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-Did you feel ashamed...

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-..when you saw your co-workers

-breaking the strike?

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-Yes.

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-My grandfather had worked

-at the Point of Ayr Colliery.

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-My father and I worked there,

-along with my son.

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-Towards the end, I felt ashamed.

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-I didn't admit to everyone

-where I worked.

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-Point of Ayr became notorious.

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-We were disappointed.

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-We saw men going to work on a bus,

-whilst we were on the picket line.

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-There was one time...

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-..when they threw bread from the bus

-on their way home.

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-They threw food at you?

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-They threw food

-out of the bus window.

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-Did you hate or pity those

-breaking the strike?

0:23:560:24:01

-No.

0:24:010:24:03

-I wouldn't pass anyone.

0:24:030:24:06

-But I remember.

0:24:060:24:10

-We all remember.

0:24:100:24:12

-Can we ever forget?

0:24:140:24:16

-I won't forget.

0:24:160:24:18

-I can't forgive them.

0:24:180:24:20

-You can't forgive them completely?

0:24:210:24:23

-You can't forgive them completely?

-

-No, not at all.

0:24:230:24:26

-I'm 81.

0:24:280:24:31

-I should've learnt

-how to forgive them.

0:24:310:24:35

-But I can't.

0:24:350:24:38

-The first day

-after the strike started...

0:24:450:24:48

-..we went to the pit

-where it was completely silent.

0:24:480:24:52

-I stood on my feet...

0:24:520:24:55

-..and told those

-who weren't on strike...

0:24:550:24:59

-..that I knew them better...

0:24:590:25:03

-..after what they had done.

0:25:030:25:06

-I didn't speak to them after that.

0:25:060:25:08

-Do you feel

-that you lost the strike?

0:25:080:25:11

-No, not at all.

0:25:120:25:14

-I don't feel that way.

0:25:140:25:16

-I don't feel that way.

-

-I do.

0:25:160:25:18

-You feel that way?

0:25:180:25:19

-You feel that way?

-

-We've all lost.

0:25:190:25:21

-No.

0:25:230:25:24

-I think that it's a testament to us

-that we tried.

0:25:250:25:28

-Lots of people didn't try.

0:25:310:25:33

-Would you do it all again?

0:25:330:25:34

-Would you do it all again?

-

-Yes, I certainly would.

0:25:340:25:38

-I don't want "scab"

-on my gravestone.

0:25:410:25:45

-That brought a tear to my eye....

0:25:530:25:58

-..and it was so powerful.

0:25:580:26:00

-In a way,

-it was easier in South Wales...

0:26:030:26:06

-..because there were

-20,000 out on strike.

0:26:060:26:09

-It's difficult to be out

-on your own...

0:26:100:26:14

-..on the North Wales coast.

0:26:150:26:18

-They passed the test.

0:26:210:26:26

-.

0:26:300:26:30

-Subtitles

0:26:330:26:33

-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

0:26:330:26:35

-The battle continued

-through the summer and into winter.

0:26:370:26:42

-The financial strain affected

-the miners and their families.

0:26:430:26:47

-As a miner's son, I want to

-discover the truth about the strike.

0:26:480:26:53

-Wayne Thomas is the president

-of the NUM in South Wales.

0:26:530:26:58

-People are only starting to realize

-its importance.

0:26:580:27:02

-It changed people's lives,

-Wales and the whole of Britain.

0:27:020:27:07

-Before the strike...

0:27:070:27:09

-..our lives revolved

-around the mining industry.

0:27:100:27:14

-After the strike,

-we didn't have the same outlook.

0:27:140:27:18

-Nothing had been said,

-but we all knew that it was the end.

0:27:190:27:24

-The NUM was at its peak...

0:27:260:27:30

-..with thousands of members

-at one time.

0:27:300:27:33

-However, the numbers have dwindled.

0:27:340:27:36

-How many members do you have?

0:27:360:27:38

-There are currently 200

-with full membership of the NUM.

0:27:380:27:42

-There are 200 people

-now working in the industry...

0:27:420:27:46

-..but back in those days,

-there were 200 in a small colliery.

0:27:460:27:50

-The situation

-has changed dramatically.

0:27:510:27:54

-At the time, I worked

-at Abernant Colliery in Rhydyfro.

0:27:540:27:59

-I was married at 21.

0:27:590:28:02

-I entered the strike

-as one of three brothers.

0:28:020:28:06

-We all worked at Abernant.

0:28:060:28:08

-During the winter,

-it was much more difficult.

0:28:090:28:12

-We were six months in

-and without money.

0:28:130:28:15

-Did you have any children?

0:28:160:28:18

-My eldest daughter was born in May,

-during the strike.

0:28:180:28:22

-I remember queuing for food parcels

-outside Ystradgynlais Welfare Hall.

0:28:220:28:28

-It was hard as I wanted to work.

0:28:280:28:31

-When we queued for food parcels,

-people called us scroungers.

0:28:310:28:35

-Miners were slowly returning to work

-at collieries including Cynheidre.

0:28:360:28:41

-I had discussions with my brothers.

0:28:420:28:45

-One month after starting, we asked

-ourselves why we were on strike.

0:28:450:28:50

-It was always

-at the back of our minds.

0:28:500:28:53

-We'd heard of people

-returning to work in England.

0:28:540:28:58

-We thought that it was different

-for them.

0:29:000:29:02

-When someone you knew

-returned to work...

0:29:030:29:06

-..you started to wonder

-if you really knew them.

0:29:060:29:10

-They weren't bad men, but it was

-hard to understand their reasoning.

0:29:100:29:16

-At the time,

-men used the word "scab".

0:29:160:29:19

-We all felt strongly

-about the matter.

0:29:190:29:22

-However,

-how do you feel about them now?

0:29:230:29:25

-Do you have more sympathy

-towards them?

0:29:250:29:28

-No, not at all.

0:29:280:29:30

-I knew people who returned to work

-and they didn't want any help.

0:29:310:29:36

-They returned, regardless

-of what anyone said or did.

0:29:360:29:39

-They were determined to return,

-no matter how much help they got.

0:29:400:29:45

-I know that 30 years have passed...

0:29:450:29:48

-..but when someone

-returned to work...

0:29:480:29:52

-..I feel as strongly today

-as I did back then.

0:29:520:29:56

-Men who crossed the line were scabs

-and they'll always be scabs.

0:29:560:30:00

-Until the day I die,

-I will consider them scabs.

0:30:000:30:06

-If the miners want to go back,

-let them go back.

0:30:130:30:17

-There's a life lost

-through all this.

0:30:170:30:19

-There are two children

-without their father for Christmas.

0:30:220:30:26

-I mean...

0:30:270:30:29

-It's just not worth it.

0:30:310:30:32

-It's just not worth it.

-

-No.

0:30:320:30:34

-Despite society's hatred towards

-those who broke the strike...

0:30:360:30:40

-..men in South Wales started

-returning to work before Christmas.

0:30:400:30:45

-The consequences of going against

-society's wishes could be awful.

0:30:450:30:50

-I met the former Chief Constable

-of South Wales, David East...

0:30:530:30:58

-..to learn about the worst tragedy

-of the Miners's Strike.

0:30:590:31:02

-I got the phone call at 6.00am

-- "Chief, we've got a murder."

0:31:030:31:07

-David Williams

-from Tan y Lan in Rhymney...

0:31:080:31:11

-..had returned to work

-at the Merthyr Vale mine.

0:31:110:31:15

-This morning, he left home in the

-back of a taxi, hired by the board.

0:31:150:31:20

-As the taxi travelled along

-the Heads of the Valleys Road...

0:31:200:31:24

-..two pillars of concrete

-were dropped from a bridge.

0:31:240:31:28

-One yard-long pillar

-went through the front windscreen.

0:31:280:31:32

-The taxi driver, David Wilkie

-lost control of the vehicle.

0:31:320:31:37

-When I got to Merthyr,

-the press of the world was there.

0:31:410:31:44

-This isn't industrial action.

-This isn't picketing.

0:31:450:31:48

-This is murder.

0:31:490:31:52

-It was a completely unacceptable act

-by any standards.

0:31:520:31:56

-Fortunately, a bus driver

-going to work at 5.30am...

0:31:560:32:00

-..had seen both culprits

-run off the bridge into a house.

0:32:000:32:04

-They were arrested, thank goodness.

0:32:040:32:07

-Had there been a protracted enquiry,

-trying to solve that incident...

0:32:070:32:12

-..we would've accused the miners

-of all sorts of harassment.

0:32:120:32:17

-They were convicted of murder

-so in my view, it was murder.

0:32:170:32:21

-It was reduced to manslaughter

-later on.

0:32:210:32:24

-Our sympathy went out to Wilkie

-and his family.

0:32:250:32:28

-Was it an emotional turning point

-during the strike?

0:32:300:32:34

-I think it certainly was.

0:32:340:32:37

-Because of that, it was difficult

-for Mr Scargill to defend it.

0:32:370:32:41

-I feel certain that the miners

-lost a lot of support because of it.

0:32:420:32:47

-My role was quite simple.

0:32:490:32:51

-It's police duty to uphold the law.

0:32:510:32:54

-When this dreadful year was over...

0:32:540:32:56

-..we, in South Wales

-would have to live together.

0:32:570:33:00

-We're a small area

-with an intense population.

0:33:000:33:04

-When this was over, we'd have to

-get back to some sort of normality.

0:33:040:33:09

-Many policemen in South Wales...

0:33:130:33:16

-..were sons of miners

-and were related to miners.

0:33:160:33:20

-Many of them had married

-miners's daughters.

0:33:200:33:23

-We were very intimately involved

-with the people we were policing.

0:33:230:33:28

-I don't want to give the impression

-that we were soft. We weren't.

0:33:290:33:34

-There were confrontations, miners

-were arrested and we upheld the law.

0:33:340:33:40

-At the time and subsequently,

-some said there were elements...

0:33:400:33:44

-..that resembled a police state

-with people being sent back...

0:33:450:33:49

-..there were road blocks and scenes

-that we weren't really used to.

0:33:500:33:54

-Look at it from the point of view

-of a police officer.

0:33:540:33:58

-We had riot gear in the

-luggage compartment of the bus.

0:33:580:34:02

-Wherever you may be,

-adrenaline was flowing.

0:34:020:34:05

-You're going to be in a

-confrontational situation.

0:34:060:34:09

-You are determined

-to show them who's boss.

0:34:090:34:13

-From the point of the pickets...

0:34:170:34:19

-..when they would see this military

-approach by a body of men...

0:34:190:34:24

-..of course,

-there was immediate confrontation.

0:34:250:34:29

-Did it cause any soul searching?

0:34:290:34:31

-It caused real soul searching

-for me.

0:34:310:34:34

-From the perspective

-of the working miner...

0:34:350:34:38

-..he was trying to protect

-his livelihood and family.

0:34:380:34:42

-He wasn't a criminal,

-thief or villain...

0:34:420:34:45

-..but because of the strike...

0:34:450:34:48

-..he was pitched against

-the law, the government and police.

0:34:480:34:53

-Picketing and demonstrations

-are lawful...

0:34:530:34:56

-..but it's also lawful...

0:34:560:34:58

-..that if a man wants to go to work,

-he should be allowed to go.

0:34:590:35:03

-When the strike was over, I got

-a phonecall from Downing Street...

0:35:050:35:10

-..asking that I send two police

-inspectors to Downing Street...

0:35:100:35:14

-..to have cocktails

-with the Prime Minister.

0:35:150:35:18

-She wanted to personally thank

-the principle forces...

0:35:180:35:22

-..involved in policing the strike.

0:35:220:35:24

-I said to this chap on the phone,

-"We won't be coming."

0:35:240:35:28

-He paused and asked why.

0:35:280:35:31

-I said, "Please give my best wishes

-to the Prime Minister...

0:35:310:35:35

-"..but we won't be coming as we've

-kept the lid on this in South Wales.

0:35:360:35:41

-"If I send two officers to London...

0:35:410:35:44

-"..to meet with the Prime Minister,

-simply for doing their job...

0:35:440:35:49

-"..I will undo all that's done."

0:35:490:35:51

-I did right by my employers and

-the people I served in South Wales.

0:35:510:35:56

-The defeat of the miners

-wasn't something to celebrate.

0:35:570:36:01

-No, not at all.

0:36:010:36:03

-Well...

0:36:080:36:10

-..it's very sad to see images...

0:36:120:36:16

-..of the death of David Wilkie.

0:36:170:36:21

-It was a tragedy.

0:36:240:36:27

-We should also remember...

0:36:280:36:30

-..that two miners

-died on the picket line...

0:36:300:36:34

-..under questionable circumstances.

0:36:340:36:39

-It's difficult to admit...

0:36:410:36:44

-..but to be completely honest...

0:36:450:36:47

-..if you had experienced

-the strike...

0:36:470:36:50

-..your attitude towards the police

-changed forever.

0:36:500:36:55

-I had never been in trouble...

0:36:550:36:59

-..but we were the troublemakers.

0:36:590:37:03

-We were the enemy.

0:37:030:37:05

-Even today,

-I still get that feeling.

0:37:060:37:08

-.

0:37:120:37:12

-Subtitles

0:37:160:37:16

-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

0:37:160:37:18

-They're all going to

-drift back to work gradually.

0:37:200:37:24

-Nothing makes sense at the moment.

0:37:240:37:27

-We'll all have to return to work

-because we've lost our issue.

0:37:290:37:33

-If there's a sore on your finger,

-you try to cure it.

0:37:350:37:38

-If you have gangrene,

-you've got to cut it off.

0:37:380:37:42

-That's how I feel about this scab.

0:37:420:37:44

-I wish you wouldn't refer

-to him as a "man" - he's a scab.

0:37:450:37:48

-I warn you that if

-at the conclusion of this dispute...

0:37:490:37:54

-..you are still crossing

-our picket lines...

0:37:540:37:57

-..you'll be stained

-until the end of time as a scab!

0:37:570:38:02

-CHEERS

0:38:020:38:04

-Scabs!

0:38:100:38:12

-Scabs!

-

-Scabs!

0:38:120:38:14

-I remember feeling disappointed...

0:38:200:38:22

-..as more and more British miners

-returned to work.

0:38:230:38:27

-However, I couldn't believe it when

-miners from South Wales returned...

0:38:270:38:32

-..especially miners from my area.

0:38:320:38:36

-Cynheidre Colliery

-in the west of the coalfield...

0:38:360:38:40

-..was where a majority of miners

-broke the strike in South Wales.

0:38:400:38:44

-I've come to meet a strike breaker

-and his wife in Pontyberem.

0:38:450:38:49

-I'm unsure how I'll feel and react

-to what I'm about to hear.

0:38:490:38:54

-We've already lost ground

-and I can't see a way of winning.

0:38:540:38:59

-No-one will talk about the matter...

0:38:590:39:02

-..so we've been left

-feeling defeated.

0:39:030:39:06

-From the onset, Scargill

-turned men against each other.

0:39:080:39:12

-We couldn't win.

0:39:130:39:15

-This wasn't a "Miners's Strike".

0:39:150:39:18

-We were used in Arthur Scargill

-and Maggie Thatcher's strike.

0:39:180:39:22

-Did you go on strike?

0:39:230:39:26

-Yes, I supported the strike

-for seven months...

0:39:260:39:29

-..but for how much longer

-was it going to continue?

0:39:300:39:33

-Neither side was going to give in.

0:39:330:39:35

-An increasing number of us...

0:39:360:39:40

-..were forced to do

-what we had to do.

0:39:400:39:43

-We had to return to work.

0:39:440:39:46

-I couldn't see an end to the strike.

0:39:470:39:49

-I didn't see the point in it.

0:39:500:39:52

-I listened to Phil discuss it and

-I heard reports on the television.

0:39:520:39:57

-I would often ask him

-about the outcome.

0:39:590:40:03

-We had two young children

-and Christmas was on its way.

0:40:040:40:08

-We didn't have any money.

0:40:090:40:11

-We'd signed for a house just a week

-before the strike started.

0:40:110:40:15

-It was incredibly difficult.

0:40:160:40:19

-Did you discuss his return to work?

0:40:190:40:21

-We talked about it for a long time.

0:40:220:40:24

-We discussed it

-after the children had gone to bed.

0:40:240:40:27

-We didn't want them to hear

-what was being said.

0:40:280:40:31

-In a small community...

0:40:350:40:38

-..it must have been very difficult.

0:40:380:40:41

-..it must have been very difficult.

-

-It was hard.

0:40:410:40:42

-Once you returned to work,

-did others feel angry?

0:40:430:40:48

-One of the girls

-experienced some trouble at school.

0:40:480:40:53

-One of the girls had a father

-who supported the strike.

0:40:530:40:57

-She pushed our daughter

-against a wall and told her...

0:40:580:41:01

-.."You're a scab, as your father is

-a scab and you'll always be a scab."

0:41:010:41:06

-You shouldn't tell a five-year-old

-something like that.

0:41:060:41:11

-Scab, scab, scab.

0:41:120:41:14

-I hope you turn around and say,

-"I was one of the scabs."

0:41:140:41:17

-Did you support the strike?

0:41:190:41:21

-Did you support the strike?

-

-Yes, 100%.

0:41:210:41:23

-I felt strongly about it and

-supported it until the final weeks.

0:41:240:41:29

-I can't lie to you.

0:41:290:41:32

-I was on the other side.

0:41:330:41:38

-We're all entitled

-to our own opinion.

0:41:390:41:41

-We didn't need a strike,

-we gained nothing from the strike...

0:41:410:41:46

-..and it was an illegal strike

-from the start.

0:41:460:41:49

-You must have been on pins

-on the eve of returning to work.

0:41:540:41:58

-I didn't sleep much that night.

0:41:580:42:01

-I imagined how many hundreds

-would be outside Cynheidre Colliery.

0:42:010:42:06

-I didn't want anything to go wrong.

0:42:060:42:10

-I wondered what I'd do

-once I had returned to work.

0:42:100:42:13

-We would hear stories such as

-the killing of the taxi driver.

0:42:130:42:18

-Everything went through my mind.

0:42:180:42:21

-It wasn't a good feeling when

-I stepped on the bus that morning.

0:42:210:42:27

-There were wires

-covering the windows.

0:42:270:42:32

-It felt like I

-was going to prison...

0:42:320:42:36

-..and that I'd done something wrong.

0:42:360:42:39

-However, we were just

-returning to work.

0:42:390:42:44

-We wanted to work.

0:42:440:42:46

-Did you feel like you were

-letting your co-workers down?

0:42:460:42:50

-I wasn't letting them down.

0:42:510:42:53

-I had been out on strike with them

-for eight months!

0:42:540:42:59

-But, by not staying out on strike...

0:43:010:43:06

-..did you feel

-that you were letting them down?

0:43:060:43:10

-No, not at all.

0:43:100:43:13

-I'm certain...

0:43:130:43:15

-..that over half of them

-were fed up with the strike.

0:43:150:43:19

-They wanted the strike

-to come to an end.

0:43:190:43:22

-When we arrived at Cynheidre...

0:43:220:43:26

-..we saw the crowds stood there.

0:43:260:43:29

-It wasn't our co-workers

-that were stood outside the gate.

0:43:290:43:33

-It was women on the picket line.

0:43:340:43:36

-They were showing their support.

0:43:360:43:39

-Support? Is that what you call it?

0:43:390:43:44

-Twelve women broke into

-the locker room at Cynheidre...

0:43:440:43:49

-..and used our lockers as toilets!

0:43:500:43:54

-How did it feel to cross the

-picket line for the first time?

0:43:580:44:03

-I can't say that I was happy

-about crossing the picket line.

0:44:030:44:07

-It wasn't something that I enjoyed.

0:44:070:44:11

-Once we returned to work...

0:44:140:44:17

-..that was it and the

-most difficult part was over.

0:44:170:44:21

-I was on the picket line as the

-strike breakers returned to Betws.

0:44:220:44:27

-I couldn't believe

-that they were doing it.

0:44:270:44:30

-They were breaking our community.

0:44:300:44:36

-I have no hard feelings because of

-what you did on the picket line.

0:44:360:44:41

-Those were your feelings.

0:44:420:44:46

-However, I thought differently...

0:44:470:44:49

-..as a miner and member of the NUM.

0:44:490:44:53

-There's always two sides

-to every story.

0:45:000:45:05

-I was only interested in returning

-to work and keeping my job.

0:45:050:45:11

-Therefore, I continued to work.

0:45:110:45:14

-The first day was hardest.

0:45:140:45:17

-Did things become easier

-as time went on?

0:45:170:45:22

-It got easier once the pay came...

0:45:220:45:26

-..but it took months and years...

0:45:260:45:32

-..for things to go back to normal.

0:45:330:45:35

-Those who supported the strike...

0:45:350:45:41

-..admitted to losing a lot

-due to the strike...

0:45:420:45:45

-..but benefitted in other ways.

0:45:460:45:48

-Like what?

0:45:480:45:50

-Nothing positive

-came from the strike...

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-..because we lost.

0:45:530:45:56

-What have we won?

-What have we gained?

0:45:560:46:01

-From the first day...

0:46:080:46:10

-..more men got on the bus

-to pass the picket line.

0:46:100:46:16

-When I returned to work,

-there were 15 of us on the bus.

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-However,

-the week before Christmas...

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-..there were up to 90 men

-going back to work.

0:46:280:46:31

-I didn't go on strike with

-the intention of doing what I did.

0:46:350:46:40

-Is your conscience clear?

0:46:400:46:42

-Is your conscience clear?

-

-I haven't done anything wrong.

0:46:420:46:44

-Can you sleep soundly at night?

0:46:450:46:48

-And I walk with my head held high.

0:46:480:46:51

-I believe that what he did

-was wrong.

0:46:580:47:01

-He has his self-pride

-and feels happy with his decision.

0:47:010:47:06

-I'm trying to understand...

0:47:060:47:08

-..but there's still part of me that

-can't understand why they did it.

0:47:080:47:13

-It was something very selfish.

0:47:130:47:16

-Others were suffering...

0:47:160:47:19

-..and they didn't need to do it.

0:47:190:47:21

-We were in the same situation

-but my parents found the strength...

0:47:220:47:27

-..and refused to give in.

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-I still condemn the act

-of breaking the strike.

0:47:310:47:35

-I still believe that it was selfish.

0:47:350:47:38

-I was utterly helpless.

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-So helpless that I

-couldn't confess helplessness.

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-He came to the door

-and it was like seeing a ghost.

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-I saw grown men in tears

-at having to go back.

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