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-I would have done it again -and Dadi would have done it again. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
-I always regret -the casualties in any war. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
-It doesn't change my view -about the war. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
-You have to consider -the number of miners on strike. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
-Some of them had lost their homes -and families as well. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
-There was a battle -between two sets of values. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
-Two sets of principles. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
-If you'd have come out, -the strike would have been won. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
-Oh, Adam, you're naive. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
-Oh, Adam, you're naive. - -Working-class people are not dull. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
-If you hadn't seen it for yourself, -you wouldn't believe it. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
-Ready? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
-Generations ago... | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
-..there was an army -that rejected the status quo... | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
-..that turned -their world upside down. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
-My name is Adam Price. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
-I've gone from Westminster -to Harvard... | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
-..and challenged -the British Establishment. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
-A campaign group -led by Adam Price MP... | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
-..to impeach Tony Blair for his -reasons to enter the Iraq War... | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
-..has been criticized. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
-It's the monumental catastrophe -of the Iraq War. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
-The worse foreign policy disaster -since Suez. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
-Without my experiences -of the 1984-85 Miners' Strike... | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
-..I wouldn't possess this confidence -or be the person I am today. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
-It's fair to say, -I'd be a very different Adam Price. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
-We start with a story that grabbed -the biggest headline of the year. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
-The Miners' Strike spurred violence -and split communities and families. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
-Will it result in a strike? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
-I've always favoured a strike, -but not this time. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
-I'm a militant, but not this time. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
-This is my father, Rufus Price... | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
-..speaking on the news -on the first day of the strike. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
-I can see that he's uncertain. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
-He wants to support the strike... | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
-..but worries about its effects -on the other miners. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
-This is me, at the family home -in Tycroes during the strike. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:58 | |
-We were 100% behind the strike. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
-Possibly, I was more supportive -than anyone else. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
-I recall my father going on strike -as if it were yesterday. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
-I was 15 when the strike started -and 16 when it ended. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
-It's a crucial time -in any person's life. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
-I went from being a child... | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
-..to becoming a young adult -trying to find my own identity. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
-Undoubtedly, -the Great Strike of 1984-85... | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
-..represented -one of the most pivotal chapters... | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
-..in the modern history of Wales. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
-If you turn away from the miners, -in this, our hour of need... | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
-..I warn you, -when they come for you... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
-..there'll be nobody left -to fight for you. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
-CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
-People tried to take ownership -of the strike... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
-..because of its symbolic powers. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
-We'll fight -and we'll die in the attempt. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
-CHEERS AND APPLAUSE | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
-I tend to view the strike -from one perspective... | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
-..and choose to ignore -some of the facts... | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
-..that sit uncomfortably with me. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-The local economy was quite stable. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
-The colliery laid the foundation -for a high employment rate. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
-The strike hit like an earthquake. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
-The miners' leaders gathered... | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-..to discuss -the Coal Board's threat... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
-..to close five pits -in England and Scotland. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
-I started worrying -about the consequences for me... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
-..my family and community. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
-The workforce at Cortonwood -in Yorkshire had walked out. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
-The conference ordered the -South Wales miners to follow suit. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
-I've got to cast my mind back... | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
-..and reacquaint myself -with the young 15-year-old Adam. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
-I'll talk to some of my heroes -from this era... | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
-..but also to some of the people -I loathed. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
-Who knows what the outcome will be? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
-My opinion about the strike -might be completely transformed. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
-As the son of a coal miner -on the picket line... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
-..and a proactive mother -in the support groups... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
-..it was an inspirational time -for me, and remains so today. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
-It was a unique period -which saw communities join forces... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
-..to protect our way of life from -the might of the Tory government. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
-To discover more about the strike... | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
-..and its significance -30 years later... | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
-..I've returned home -to Mam and Dad in Tycroes. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
-I want to see if I still view -this historic strike... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
-..in the same light. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
-We're turning into Teglan Park -and driving towards the house. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
-It's the bungalow on the corner. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
-Hello? | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
-Hello? - -How are you? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
-It's great to see you. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
-It's great to see you. - -And you. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
-Sit down. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
-Sit here, Adam. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
-Sit here, Adam. - -OK. Right. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
-For me, when I think about it... | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
-..the Miners' Strike -was certainly the nucleus... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
-..in forming my political stance. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
-Sometimes, you need a cornerstone... | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
-..that reminds you -of your identity... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
-..and where your values -and morals lie. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
-Memories of the strike -always come to mind. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
-Do you recall the first day -you walked out? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
-I came home and told your mother. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
-It wasn't nice at all. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
-Was Betws among the first to strike? | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
-Was Betws among the first to strike? - -Yes, they walked out. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
-So, Betws was quite militant. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
-So, Betws was quite militant. - -Yes, it was. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
-When your father told me -they were going to strike... | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
-..and it was getting so bad -that they were shutting pits... | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
-..he said they'd have to fight. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
-In the beginning, I wasn't willing. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
-Who wouldn't be -when you've got a family? | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
-You're thinking, -"How is this going to affect us?" | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
-Your father kept saying -that we had to fight for the jobs. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
-If we don't, we'd get oppressed, -they'll push us down... | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
-..and it won't be there -for future generations. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
-Men will stand fast -with their women behind them. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
-That is what we did. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
-That's all the vegetables -I can afford to buy. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
-What about tinned meat or salmon? | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
-What about tinned meat or salmon? - -Oh, no. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
-You were part -of the women's support group. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
-You were on the phone to Amsterdam -waiting for a shipment from Russia. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
-Yes, France. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
-You were also standing -on the picket line... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
-..and had to deal with the might -of the state against you... | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
-..but you used your skills -and tried to work out a strategy. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
-For me, there was quite -a positive side to the strike. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
-I remember visiting the picket line -at Betws Colliery. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
-Adrian, my brother, was with me. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
-Adrian, my brother, was with me. - -Yes, yes. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
-More picketers gathered -outside the pit today. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
-Most were from the Cynheidre, -Betws and Abernant lodges. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
-But 300 policemen enabled miners -who wanted to work... | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
-..to cross the picket lines. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
-I remember wearing my uniform -and getting ready for school. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
-I had my bag in tow. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
-I was eager to join the fight... | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
-..but Adrian -was holding me back again! | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
-I was quite surprised. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
-I'd watched it on the television... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
-..but I hadn't witnessed it -up close. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-Blood was smeared -over the miners' faces. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
-It turned nasty that day. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
-I saw two policemen -walk over to you. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
-They were going to grab your arm -and take you away. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
-I came over and said, -"Hey, that's my son." | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-They just stared blankly at me. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
-You said, "Hey, Dad!" | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
-"Let them take me to jail." | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
-That's what happened. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
-I wanted to be a martyr -for the cause. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
-I didn't expect it to happen. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
-You're my son -and nobody was going to touch you. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
-He knew it was right. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
-It was right -because they were oppressing us. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
-They were pushing us down -and taking livelihoods away. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
-It wasn't a very nice time -but I feel the same as you. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
-We were in it -and it was a courageous thing to do. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
-Would you do it all again? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
-If you were given the choice, -would you strike again? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
-Yes, I would have done it again -and Dadi would have done it again. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:38 | |
-I recall the family discussing... | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-..the possibility of Dadi -having to return to work... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
-..and I opposed it. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
-When I think about it, -I feel quite overwhelmed. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
-Personally, I thought the strike... | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
-..represented the best -in humanity and society. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
-You said that the South Wales miners -didn't have to come out. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
-They weren't striking on behalf -of themselves or their wages. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
-It was a matter of principle. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
-They fought for others... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
-..and their right for employment -within our communities. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
-It almost reduces me to tears... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
-..as it brought out the best -of our culture and humanity. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
-It's central to my identity. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
-It's difficult for me -to be objective about it all... | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
-..because the strike -defines who I am. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
-It's as important to me now -as it was back then. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
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-I'm Adam Price. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
-I'm stepping back in time... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
-..to discover more -about the 1984-85 Miners' Strike. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-I'm the son of a coal miner -who was on strike. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
-Our enemies were Ian MacGregor, -the National Coal Board head... | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
-..and Thatcher's Tory government. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
-Where there is discord, -may we bring harmony. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-Where there is error, -may we bring truth. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
-I'd watch them on television -every night. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
-I grew up in the Thirties -with an unemployed father. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
-He didn't riot. He got on his bike -and looked for work. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
-He kept looking until he found it. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-It angers me to think of how their -decisions about the coal industry... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:07 | |
-..affected my family -and millions of other coal miners. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
-Since Margaret Thatcher -was elected in 1979... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
-..everyone knew that she'd try -to close numerous pits in Britain... | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
-..especially in Wales. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
-I agree absolutely. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
-When Arthur Scargill -became president of the NUM... | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
-..strikes ensued at Welsh pits... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
-..and the miners successfully saved -several coal mines. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
-Despite these victories -in the early 1980s... | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-..the Tories were determined -to close the coal mines... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
-..with many South Wales pits -in jeopardy. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
-Thank you. Bye. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
-During the Miners' Strike, -I learnt how to hate. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
-The people I hated were the Tories. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
-Thatcher, Tebbit and Lawson. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
-They called us the enemy within. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
-It is the work of extremists. -The enemy within. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
-But they were the enemy to me. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
-I couldn't understand -how they could sleep at night. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
-How could they -destroy communities... | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
-..and not give a damn about -what happened to us as families? | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
-I've come to London -to meet some of these people... | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
-..to try and understand -these so-called principles... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
-..that formed their actions -during the 1984-85 strike. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
-Good morning, Nigel. -I'm Adam Price. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
-Very pleased to meet you. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
-I'm grateful to you -for giving this undertaking... | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
-..that you will let me see -the cut version beforehand. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
-Will you ask a question in Welsh? | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
-Well, yes. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
-I had not that long left -the Department of Employment. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
-During the strike, I was at the -Department of Trade and Industry. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
-There was a real problem -with the coal industry. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
-It was losing something like -1.5 million a day. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
-That couldn't be tolerated. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-It made complete economic nonsense. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
-The only way -of staunching this huge loss... | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
-..which had to be met -by the taxpayer... | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-..was to close uneconomic pits. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
-The last thing Margaret Thatcher -wanted was a strike. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
-She appointed me -as Energy Secretary in 1981... | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
-..and said, "Nigel, -we mustn't have a coal strike." | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
-She had been part -of the Heath government... | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
-..that was brought down -by the coal strike and Scargill. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
-These are the drivers -we're talking about. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
-This has been taking place -when the cameras aren't here. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-Get a photograph of this. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
-Once it had happened... | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
-..she went into -a sort of war mood. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
-It wasn't only Scargill who thought -he could bring down the government. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
-A large part of the press -and Members of Parliament... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
-..were concerned about this. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
-It was the risk we ran when dealing -with the Argentine junta... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
-..with the fascist dictatorship -when they invaded the Falklands. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
-Resisting bullies -runs the risk of getting hurt. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
-We had to run that risk. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
-There was a discussion -about preparing for the next time. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
-Indeed. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
-Unlike the dispute -in Heath's time... | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-..we wanted to be ready and that -the power stations were stocked. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
-We could not as a nation -afford to see a third government... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
-..after Heath and Callaghan, -toppled by industrial action. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
-That would have been madness. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
-Come the Miners' Strike, -you become the Chancellor. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
-You had to fund this dispute. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
-When I came in, there had been -no preparations at all. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
-If there were a strike... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
-..the problem would be -to keep the lights on. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
-They had to have -the stocks of coal... | 0:18:41 | 0:18:48 | |
-..within the power stations. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
-Scargill lost his strike -because, to my amazement... | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
-..he called it in the spring... | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
-..so the peak winter demand -was already over. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
-There was no way, it seemed to me, -that Scargill would win. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
-Do you feel any pangs of regret... | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
-..looking at the communities -in Yorkshire and South Wales... | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
-..whether it could -have been done differently? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
-I always regret -the casualties in any war. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
-It doesn't change my view -about the war... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
-..whether it was in the Falklands -or South Wales and Yorkshire. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
-No. I remain the same as ever. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
-Changes had to happen. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
-KLAXON | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
-You cannot live in the past. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
-We might as well -have continued subsidizing... | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
-..the production -of horse-drawn carriages. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
-Economies move on. Change happens. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
-Is the Miners' Strike -up there with the Falklands War... | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
-..as one of the central moments... | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
-..without which Thatcherism -might not have happened? | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
-Let me put it this way. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
-We could have survived -as a government... | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
-..by surrendering -the people of the Falklands... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
-..to fascist generals -in South America. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
-We could have done that. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
-We couldn't have survived -as an administration... | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
-..surrendering British industry -to Mr Scargill. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
-He was a man of infinite vanity... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-..who thought he could -bring the government down. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:52 | |
-We had to establish that democracy -and the rule of law prevailed. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
-I don't have regrets -about what we did. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-I have regrets -that there were casualties. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
-People whose lives were ruined -one way or another. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
-Was Britain a better country -because the strike was lost? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
-I never saw it -as a victory over the miners... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
-..nor did the government. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
-It was a victory over Arthur -Scargill and what he stood for... | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
-..which was basically an attempt to -bring down the elected government. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
-I was a young Scargillite. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
-I'm surprised I was able to have -a sane chat with these politicians. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
-However, it does raise questions... | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
-..that would leave the young Adam -annoyed and poised for a dispute. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
-The decisions that the Tories took -destroyed entire communities. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
-They felt they were in the right... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
-..and, to some extent, -have no regrets. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
-It would have been impossible for me -to sit down with Baroness Thatcher. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
-For me, she encapsulates -this era of significant decisions. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:20 | |
-It would be impossible for me -to sit and converse with her. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
-We've shown that working people -are not prepared to lie down... | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
-..under this Thatcher government -and accept the destruction of jobs. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
-There was a battle -between two sets of values. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
-Two sets of principles. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
-Unfortunately for me, -and I still feel this way... | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
-..it was their principles -that triumphed. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
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-Subtitles | 0:23:00 | 0:23:00 | |
-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
-I'm Adam Price. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
-I'm on a journey to discover more -about the 1984-85 Miners' Strike. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
-The strike began following the -Tories and Coal Board's decision... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
-..to lay off more than -20,000 coal miners in Britain... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
-..starting with the closure -of a colliery in Yorkshire. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
-Arthur Scargill's response -was to call for a general strike. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
-Rumours were rife -of more job cuts... | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
-..and there was a hit list -of coal mines under threat... | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
-..that included many from Wales. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
-However, -there wasn't a national ballot. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
-Every pit -had an individual ballot... | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
-..with the majority in Wales -voting against strike action. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
-Betws Colliery, -where my father worked... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
-..was among the minority -in favour of strike action. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
-Despite picketing, -nearby collieries decided to work. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
-Do the boys at Betws look upon -the strike in the same light today? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
-I haven't spoken to them about it -since it happened. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
-I'm meeting a group of them -at the welfare hall in Ammanford. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
-How are you? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
-How are you? - -Yeah, alright. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
-The picket line -has turned this strike around. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
-Yesterday, the Union -thought they were doomed... | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
-..with 18 out of 28 lodges -refusing to strike. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
-But this morning, pickets stopped -work at two out of three mines. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
-We wanted a national ballot -and it's not working. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
-We won't pass the pickets -at Nantgarw. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
-It's 30 years since the strike and -we can look back and reflect on it. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:04 | |
-Do you recall the first day -of the strike? | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
-I remember it. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-We were aware of what was happening -at the pit in Yorkshire... | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
-..and that something was looming. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
-How did Betws Colliery vote? | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
-Every pit had to vote. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
-What was the result at Betws? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
-What was the result at Betws? - -To walk out. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
-Did you vote with a show of hands? | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
-Did you vote with a show of hands? - -Yes. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
-Everyone put their hands up -but one or two opposed it. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
-After the ballot had taken place... | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
-..the miners at Betws -decided to come out... | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
-..and everyone came out. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
-I remember the time -when we had to vote. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
-There were pickets outside -the gates on Monday morning. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
-We had only voted on the Sunday. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
-Adam mentioned -that his father was a miner. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
-I'll always remember -being on the picket line... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
-..with hundreds of bobbies present. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
-One of the bobbies -was being horrible. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-He was holding a truncheon. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
-He started to beat the boys -over the head. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
-We thought, "We'll get him now." | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
-"Rufus, come here!" | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
-Rufus came with us -to entice this bobby. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
-He ran at us with his truncheon. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
-The boys let Rufus through -to wallop and floor him! | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
-It was only a little jab -and nobody spotted it. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
-The old boxer still had it in him! | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
-Some pits voted against the strike -in South Wales. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
-How did you feel about them? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
-We had been told many times -that Betws was a safe pit. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
-We knew that the other pits -were on the hit list. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
-I couldn't understand -why they didn't vote to walk out. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
-You staged a walkout -to save the other pits... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
-..but they didn't bother -saving themselves. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
-The majority -strongly oppose the strike... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
-..but almost nobody -crossed the picket line. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
-Everyone drove away peacefully. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
-What was the reception like... | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
-..when you picketed at other pits? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
-Everyone else was walking out and -other pits across Wales followed. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
-Union officials were confident... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
-..that the coalfield -would cease working within 24 hours. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
-Be honest, what were you thinking? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
-A fortnight, three weeks, -a month or six weeks? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
-How long did you think -the strike would last? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
-Myself, -I didn't think much about it. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
-We would remain on strike -until we either win or lose. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:18 | |
-That's how I felt. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
-You were taking each day as it came. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
-You had to. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
-Not many people -expected it to last for a year. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
-We were all suffering. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
-Everyone felt the same way, -as if they were working. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
-The spirit was alive. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
-We all knew what was happening -but our spirit kept us going. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
-You have to consider -the number of miners on strike. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
-Some of them had lost their homes... | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
-..and even their families... | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
-..because of what happened. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
-Did you still think -that you could win? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
-I have to say it... | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
-..it was a trade union -that lost us the strike. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
-NACODS. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
-They had a ballot to walk out. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
-If they hadn't been working... | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
-..every single pit -would have been out. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
-Why didn't they walk out? | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
-We knew that most of the boys -from around here... | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
-..were more than ready to strike. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
-I don't know what happened -at that time. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
-I'm still waiting for an answer. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
-By late March... | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
-..the South Wales collieries -firmly supported the strike... | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
-..but it was a different story -for the rest of Britain. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
-Some pits in Yorkshire and most -in Nottingham and the Midlands... | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
-..voted against the strike... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
-..and returned to work -to continue producing coal. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:19 | |
-The National Union of Miners -had one last chance... | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
-..to entice all UK coalfields -out on strike. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
-They turned to the union -for colliery officials - NACODS. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
-I was intrigued to find out -why they didn't support the strike. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
-I'm meeting a NACODS union member... | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
-..to try and interpret their reasons -against walking out with the miners. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
-A strike by NACODS would be -a massive blow to the Coal Board. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
-Every pit in Britain would have to -close, including the working pits. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
-Bleddyn, NACODS. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
-I never fully worked out -what the acronym stood for. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
-The National Association of Colliery -Overmen, Deputies and Shotfirers. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
-The deputies would deputize -for the colliery manager. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
-Our word was law underground. -We were like a site foreman. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
-The area voted, by and large, -against a strike... | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
-..but were you surprised -that the men still came out? | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
-I wasn't surprised. I was dismayed. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
-I was a colliery official -and wasn't in the NUM any more. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
-The day the strike started... | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
-..I was in the yard -at Merthyr Vale Colliery. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
-The night before, the men -voted overwhelmingly to work... | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
-..as did most of them -in South Wales. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
-Their local leaders -stabbed them in the back. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
-They telephoned HQ -and their NUM bosses. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
-The next day, they arranged pickets -to picket out their own men. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
-The men had more sense -than their leaders. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
-They knew it was a bad idea. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
-There might not be any work -at Nantgarw tomorrow. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
-A second vote was carried -after the first one failed. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
-It urged miners -not to cross any picket line. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
-There was a great deal -of intimidation. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
-I saw men being threatened -if they didn't strike... | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
-..and that was where -it all went to hell in a handbasket. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
-Was it intimidation -as I can accept there were... | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
-There was intimidation. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
-I accept -there were incidences of it. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
-Does it explain why 23,000 men -were on strike for a year? | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
-Wasn't it a sense of solidarity? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
-Wasn't it a sense of solidarity? - -It did become that. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
-Did you understand it? | 0:32:50 | 0:32:51 | |
-Did you understand it? - -Absolutely, I understood it. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
-There was a sense of helplessness -and having to strike. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
-As a trade union principle... | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
-..you don't cross a picket, -but two-thirds voted to work. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
-You can't have a vote -then try to intimidate you out. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
-If you had come out, -the strike would have been won. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
-In what way... | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
-In what way... - -Right. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:14 | |
-Step back a bit -because you're wrong. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
-If you had come out, -the strike would have been won. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
-Oh, Adam, you're naive. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
-I was 15 or 16 -but I don't think I was that naive. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
-The NUM couldn't get their members -out on strike. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
-If you think our members were -going to strike, then you're mad. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
-There was a lot of bitterness. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
-It happened because of divisions -caused by the NUM taking itself... | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
-..and the rest of the industry, -like lemmings over a cliff. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
-It was stupid, arrogant... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
-..and is best summed up -as being suicidal vanity. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
-I don't accept that miners, -their families and communities... | 0:33:56 | 0:34:02 | |
-..weren't fully conscious of -the struggle they were engaged in. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
-They weren't fooled by the leaders -as they were doing it consciously. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
-They weren't fooled. -I said they were betrayed. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
-They were betrayed by other unions, -not just by NACODS. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:22 | |
-Betrayed by NACODS and other unions? | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
-Come on. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
-You are now spouting the line... | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
-..that Scargill and the extreme left -have for years. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
-You have to stand -behind your principles. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-You have to plant your flag in the -ground and say what you stand for. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
-And lead people to destruction -for your own vanity? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
-You have a duty -not to lead them to ruin. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
-The NUM led them to ruin... | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
-..against their wishes -and common sense. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
-They knew they weren't going to win. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
-You can plant your flag... | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
-..but not in the backs -of working people. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
-We were facing ruin. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
-The razor blade -was put in our hands. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
-We refused to cut our own throats... | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
-..and I'm proud we stood up. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
-The NUM gave you the razor. -It was suicide. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
-Working-class people are not dull. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
-If you're going to lead people, -you have a responsibility. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
-They decided to work -and their leaders ignored them... | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
-..and conspired, unconstitutionally -and undemocratically... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
-..to take their members -down the path of ruin. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
-It's a reading of history -that I don't recognize, Bleddyn. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
-The day that strike started, -I regretted it. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
-I thought -it was going to be a disaster. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
-It was like watching -a train crash in slow motion. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
-You can see it happening -but you can't stop it. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
-It is painful to watch. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
-The notion -of my father's fellow miners... | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
-..who were tough men... | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
-..deciding to strike out of fear -doesn't wash with me. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
-Some of his comments were insulting. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
-An insult to the sacrifice... | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
-..made by miners and their families -during the strike. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
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-YELLING | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
-YELLING | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
-With South Wales -firmly behind the strike... | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
-..the NUM decided to picket -coalfields and coking plants... | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
-..in other areas of Britain -that were still working. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
-The experiences of miners -in Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire... | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
-..were a complete contrast -to the relative peace in Wales. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
-He's kicking me! | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
-One village -on the outskirts of Sheffield... | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
-..witnessed violence -that was more like a civil war... | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
-..than an industrial strike. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
-It was in these fields... | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
-..that one of the strike's -most dramatic events was played out. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
-Orgreave Coking Plant -fed the steel industry. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
-The miners stopped picketing -on the coalfields... | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
-..and flocked to this area -from all directions. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
-My father was among the hundreds of -Southwalians who came to Orgreave. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
-He was a member of the A team, -or the flying pickets. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
-He travelled by bus overnight -with the boys from the welfare hall. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:45 | |
-However, they didn't expect -the ferocious response... | 0:38:45 | 0:38:51 | |
-..that came from the police -and the state on that day. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
-The miners wanted to stop the coal -from entering the coking plant... | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
-..just like the other picket lines. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
-Arthur Scargill placed -a huge symbolic importance... | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
-..on this special picket line. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-This powerful industrial weapon -was at risk. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
-If they could stop the lorries, -there was a possibility of winning. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:29 | |
-If the police -could block the miners... | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
-..the picket line -would have been a pointless tactic. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
-Everything was put on the line -up in Sheffield. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
-Are you in? | 0:39:42 | 0:39:43 | |
-Are you in? - -Yes. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
-I came here with Harry Selwood, -who picketed with my father... | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
-..to try to discover -what really happened... | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
-..at one of the strike's -most harrowing events. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
-It was a fine, beautiful day. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
-It was one of the best summers -we had in a while. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
-It sounds like an idyllic setting. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
-It sounds like an idyllic setting. - -Yes, it was. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
-The coking plant stood on my left. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
-Just past the coking plant -was a large wheat field. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
-You could see it in the distance. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
-The coking plant -was in that direction. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
-The village was located -where the wind turbines stand. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
-That's where the buses parked. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
-Everything has changed. -It's difficult to picture it. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
-In this direction... | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
-..there was a meadow full of wheat. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
-The boys sat down in the field -and ate sandwiches. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
-Some of them removed their tops -and sunbathed. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-The police horses -were lined along that edge. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
-It sounds like something -out of a film. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
-It's like a medieval battle -with a cavalry on the hilltop... | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
-..standing among the wheat. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
-It felt like -they were going to charge. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
-I've never witnessed -anything like it. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
-My father was with you. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
-My father was with you. - -Yes, I was with your father. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
-He didn't move from my side. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
-When did you realize -that something was awry? | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
-The police inspectors -were using loudhailers. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
-They were shouting orders -at the policemen. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
-More support, Mr Simpson! -More support! | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-The police were standing -on the front line. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
-They were holding -large perspex shields. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
-They were shouting -and also holding batons. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
-Have you seen the film Zulu? | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
-They were tapping their shields -like the Zulus. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
-You could hear them, -trying to scare us. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
-Now and again, -they'd move to one side. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
-A dozen would run out equipped -with large shields and batons... | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
-..ready to strike anyone -who stood in their path. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
-They didn't come to arrest you -but to assault you. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
-The front line opened up again -and the horses galloped out. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
-They used this tactic -and the miners would flee. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
-If you were in their way, -the horses would trample over you. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
-They didn't care at all. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
-We were like lambs to the slaughter. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
-There was no way in this world -that the miners could win. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:17 | |
-They couldn't win this battle. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
-We weren't expecting a fight. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
-I'd never seen anything like it. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
-I recall my father -returning home that night. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
-He was covered in cuts and bruises -from head to toe. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:40 | |
-That didn't bother your father. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
-We were strong lads -and we were fearless. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
-We were used to working -in dangerous surroundings. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:53 | |
-He admitted that he was shocked -to see the police horses. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:58 | |
-It all came down to luck -as to whether you were arrested... | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
-..or even assaulted. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
-I'm telling you. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
-If you hadn't seen it for yourself, -you wouldn't believe it. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
-The police had planned it. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
-They wanted to make a show of it. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
-They wanted to break the miners. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
-The snatch squad had taken you. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
-They were the men -holding the shields. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
-I was grabbed, kicked and beaten -before being thrown into the van. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:51 | |
-Did they hit you? | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
-Did they hit you? - -Yes, they did whatever they wanted. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
-Once you stepped over the lines, -they attacked and lashed out. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:03 | |
-They wanted to hurt you. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
-Luckily, -it didn't happen to your father. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
-YELLING | 0:45:13 | 0:45:14 | |
-Get on your feet! | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
-Did a court case proceed? | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
-Yes, it was held -at Rotherham Crown Court... | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
-..but it was thrown out. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
-I just wanted to go back to work -and return to normality. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
-I had a young family -and everyone was suffering. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
-Was it all worth it? | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
-Looking back, was it worth it? | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
-Looking back, was it worth it? - -No, it wasn't worth it. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
-I lost a year's worth of wages -which could never be replaced. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
-No holidays, nothing. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
-It's happened -and that's the end of it. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
-As I roam around -these open fields... | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
-..it sends shivers down my spine... | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
-..knowing there's nothing here -to mark this battle. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
-It's a forgotten battle, -to a certain degree. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:29 | |
-Hopes and dreams -were laid to rest on this land. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:34 | |
-It was the high point of almost -a century of trade unionism... | 0:46:34 | 0:46:40 | |
-..and in a sense, -of the British working class. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
-In terms of the miners... | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
-..it signalled an end -to all their aspirations. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
-They are buried in this land -outside Orgreave. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:58 | |
-I was keeping a big secret. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
-This isn't picketing. -This is murder. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
-Dad! | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
-There are two sides to every story. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
-You were behind the strike. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:19 | |
-You were behind the strike. - -One hundred per cent. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
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