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-I'm following in the footsteps -of Welsh people... | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
-..who have ventured to foreign -countries over the centuries. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
-The journeys encompass -tragedies, scandals and wars. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
-I'll see -what the countries are like now... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
-..records of the original journeys -and what remains of their world. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
-From Aberystwyth to Germany | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
-This story starts in Aberystwyth -and returns here. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
-It calls in Oxford... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
-..and continues to Germany. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
-It's a story of mystery and scandal. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
-It includes the Nazis, -Communists and real spies. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
-It's the story of Goronwy Rees, -the son of a Methodist minister... | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
-..an Aberystwyth-born Welsh speaker -who turned his back on the language. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
-At the beginning -of the 20th century... | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
-..Goronwy was a happy child -living in Aberystwyth. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
-His father, RJ Rees, -was the minister of Tabernacl. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
-Goronwy's father's chapel -has long gone. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
-It would have looked -something like this. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
-Goronwy Rees had vivid descriptions -of being there. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
-One was a happy portrait, sitting -comfortably in the chapel... | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
-..with the sun's rays -shining through the window. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
-Another was full of fear seeing -his father preaching in the pulpit. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
-The tender man -bursting into life during a sermon. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
-One saw before one's eyes -a man quite suddenly transformed... | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
-..into a witch doctor, -demoniac and possessed. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
-The hwyl inspired fear in me -and a kind of shuddering... | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
-..from such a bare faced... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
-..bare-breasted display -of real or simulated emotion... | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
-..and also a kind of alarm. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
-Years later, Goronwy Rees -would compare that to Hitler... | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
-..attacking people with words -until they stopped thinking. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
-By World War I, RJ Rees encouraged -young men to join the war effort... | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
-..which upset a few people. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
-My father and his father -were cousins and once good friends. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
-That ended during World War I. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
-He was preaching about the war -and my father walked out. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
-There were some angry exchanges. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
-There was further anger in 1922 -over politics. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
-RJ Rees moved to live in Cardiff -and worked in the Valleys. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
-As a result, at the age of 13... | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
-..Goronwy Rees' -Welsh-language upbringing ended. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
-He would later describe it -as leaving paradise. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
-He detested the Welsh establishment -for the rest of his life. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
-It's possible that Goronwy, who was -happy as a child in Aberystwyth... | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
-..felt that he was exiled from his -old home when he moved to Cardiff. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
-That played a part -in his mindset... | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
-..and his relationship -with Aberystwyth. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
-The move from Ceredigion to Cardiff -was major... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
-..but the next step was greater, -from Wales to New College, Oxford... | 0:03:24 | 0:03:29 | |
-..in the autumn of 1928, -when he was 18 years old. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
-He was a grammar school boy -and a Welsh speaker. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
-He joined a closed community -which was like a club... | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
-..a club packed with the sons -of great men. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
-A club packed with -the privileged and the wealthy... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
-..a handful of women, but most -were men from boarding schools. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
-For Goronwy Rees, -it felt as unfamiliar as Timbuktu. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
-And as unfamiliar -as the upper class families. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
-He was asked, -"Do you know the Angleseys?" | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
-He replied, "There's only one." | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
-At the time, he supported Marxism -and socialism... | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
-..and his accent was different. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
-He decided it was time to grow up. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-He couldn't do that through an -old-fashioned language like Welsh. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
-Whatever Goronwy Rees said -about not belonging... | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
-..he had created a good impression -on many people. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
-Many spoke about the good-looking, -talented Celt, a great orator... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
-..the one who attracted the girls -and impressed the men. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
-If he sounded like someone who spoke -a second language at the start... | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
-..by the end of his three years, -he'd mastered the accent and style. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
-According to -Goronwy Rees' daughter... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
-..he could adapt his life -to fit in with every situation. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
-Strikingly, when we recall -his greatest scandal... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
-..he saw himself as a spy. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
-The role of a spy depended on -submerging one's identity... | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
-..and achieving anonymity which -would allow one to pass unnoticed... | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
-..even in the enemy's -most secret citadels. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
-Fitting into society is an issue -for Oxford's Welsh students today. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
-I was thinking, "Am I going to fit -in? Will I be able to speak Welsh? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
-"Will people think I'm odd because -I'm not from England or London... | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
-.."or I didn't attend Eton -or wherever else they went?" | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
-After a couple of days, I was happy. -I had friends. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
-There's a stereotype of people -with great wealth and it's not true. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
-Most people here are normal. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
-How unusual is it for someone -of your background to attend Oxford? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
-To be a Welsh speaker... | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
-..who didn't attend grammar school -or boarding school... | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
-..there aren't many. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
-Recent statistics showed -that 44 students... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
-..gained a place in Oxford -and Cambridge combined in one year. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
-When you tell people -you speak Welsh... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
-..they don't think -anyone speaks Welsh. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
-They usually ask me to pronounce -the name of that long train station. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
-It's almost like a party trick, -that you can speak Welsh. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
-According to one of his cousins, -Goronwy felt that the brakes... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
-..were truly released -when he arrived. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
-He was now a student in a different -world with different rules. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
-He spent his time debating -about socialism and Communism. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
-It was a sexually -liberating world... | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
-..where confident women -and gay men were accepted. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-Pleasure was a virtue, not a sin. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
-The actual people I met there really -made an enormous impression on me... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
-..chiefly because -they were so different... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
-..to anybody I'd met in Wales. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
-One thing, of course, pleasure -was very important in their lives. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
-Now in Wales, pleasure was not -a thing that is very important. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
-People like having a nice time -and all that... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
-..but pleasure -as a real object in life... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
-..is not a thing -that flourishes in Wales. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
-The manse's son -was making the most of his freedom. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
-The university's chaplain -once said of him... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
-.."He is far too great a social -success, he will never get a First." | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
-Three years later... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
-..Goronwy secured a First in -Philosophy, Politics and Economics. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
-He shone amongst the brightest, -socially and academically. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
-Straight after graduating, -there was a clear indication... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
-..that Oxford -had accepted Goronwy Rees. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
-He was chosen to be -a fellow at All Souls College. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
-It's one of the greatest honours -Oxford University can grant. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
-In 1931, Goronwy Rees was the first -Welshman from a common school... | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
-..to receive that honour. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
-It was rather unusual to go -straight from a degree course... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
-..to be a fellow at All Souls. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
-His old school, Cardiff High, gave -the entire school half a day off. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
-Goronwy Rees had mixed feelings. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
-The establishment accepted him... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
-..but he couldn't accept -being part of the establishment. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
-He was paid well for two years, -had support for another five... | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
-..no work pressure -and plenty of privileges. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-In 1934, -there was one fateful night. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
-It was the night -Goronwy Rees met Guy Burgess... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
-..a man who would become renowned -for being a Russian spy. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
-At the time, he was Cambridge -University's brightest student. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
-On a visit to Oxford -after a dinner... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
-..both men returned to All Souls... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
-..to smoke, drink and talk. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
-For 20 years, they had a close -yet strange relationship... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
-..which both strengthened -and destroyed that bond. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
-The eventual consequence -of that first meeting... | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
-..would lead to the darkest period -of Goronwy Rees' life. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
-Years later, he said that Burgess -had been a great influence on him. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
-He was great company, -a well-known homosexual... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
-..a heavy drinker and a learned man, -from art to Communism. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
-Both shared the same ideas. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
-Burgess was a Communist -and supported Russia. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
-During the 1930s, -we know that Burgess told Rees... | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
-..that he and another man, -Anthony Blunt, were Russian spies. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:13 | |
-What's less clear -is Goronwy Rees' response. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
-Burgess has tried to get Rees -into bed with him... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
-..and then turned him into a spy. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
-He refused the former, there are -serious doubts about the latter. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
-If he had turned his back -on Wales... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
-..Goronwy Rees also felt -that Oxford was too restrictive. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
-Travelling had become popular. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
-Many students take gap years today. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
-The children of the privileged -in the '20s and '30s... | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
-..travelled around Europe -to countries such as Germany... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
-..searching for opportunities, -experiences and places to write. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
-The lost Welshman from Aberystwyth -joined them. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
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-For young fashionable people -at the end of the '20s... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
-..Germany was the place to be. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
-The Kaiser was gone and the -Weimar Republic had replaced him. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
-By the second half of the '20s, -it was a golden age for Germany. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
-The economy flourished. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
-Artists, musicians -and architects were prominent. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
-Many thought -that this was the future. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
-Goronwy Rees -wanted to be part of it. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
-What's often forgotten -is the revolution in Germany... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
-..the year after -the Russian Revolution. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
-The November Revolution of 1918... | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
-..when the Kaiser abdicated -and a republic was established. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
-This is the origin -of a republic in Germany. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
-It was an exciting time. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
-If he yearned for excitement -when he arrived in Germany... | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
-..instead of heading to Berlin, -he found himself in the rural east. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
-He was surrounded -by a sea of corn fields. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
-Instead of meeting -revolutionary socialists... | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
-..he taught English -to the son of a wealthy family. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
-A family -that believed in race, nation... | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
-..and the old Germanic way of life. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
-He describes the barons -he meets in Silesia. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
-To him, it was a shock. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
-He didn't expect Germans -to be like that. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
-He expected them all -to be socialists. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
-These people didn't believe -their country could have lost a war. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
-In the middle of the cornfields... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
-..there was fertile land -for extremist ideas for the country. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
-Goronwy's pupil -was a pleasant young man... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
-..filled with hateful ideas. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
-I solved this contradiction -for myself by dismissing them... | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
-..as the imaginings -of a half-educated schoolboy. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
-I never came to suspect that, -in various forms... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
-..they were shared by thousands -of men and women all over Germany. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
-On his second visit to Germany, -Goronwy Rees reached Berlin. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
-This cinema building hasn't changed -since it was opened in 1929. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
-It gives us an idea -of what kind of city Berlin was... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
-..when Goronwy visited -for the first time... | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
-..and why he wanted to come here. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
-The city of Marlene Dietrich, clubs, -cabaret and Bauhaus designers. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
-The city of sexual freedom... | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-..which attracted -fashionable English authors... | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-..and the young Oxford elite. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
-After emerging from the shadows -of World War I... | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
-..and the financial difficulties -of its aftermath... | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
-..there was -a renewed sense of freedom here. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
-Today, it has emerged -from the shadows... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
-..of the wall that split the city... | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-..and it attracts youngsters -from across Europe. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
-Anwen Roberts has lived in Germany -for the past year. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
-I really enjoy living here -because of all the opportunities. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
-It's an adventure too, of course. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-There's the creative world -and the fashion world. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
-East Berlin attracts -the younger generation... | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
-..because it's cheaper -to live there. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
-My friends -enjoy visiting those places. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
-There's a sense of freedom here. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
-On the way here, I saw a woman -in her 40s wearing next to nothing. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
-She was wearing colourful stockings! -No-one batted an eyelid. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
-You can live here with freedom... | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-..but I'd say -it was a respectable freedom. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
-You must respect -the freedom of others. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
-Freedom was the buzz word -at the end of the 1920s. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
-Social and political freedom -was attractive... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
-..to a socialist student in Oxford. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
-There was a new, -exciting political world. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
-Cultural trends were changing... | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
-..Jazz had been introduced -from America. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
-Josephine Baker was performing -in a costume of feathers. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
-Imagine someone from Aberystwyth, -a student in Oxford... | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
-..who has very traditional -and conservative values... | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
-..reading in the newspaper about -a half-naked black woman performing. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
-It was attractive for youngsters. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
-Goronwy spent Easter 1932 travelling -through Germany and Austria. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
-That summer, he returned to Germany. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
-Goronwy Rees came here -during the summer of 1932. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
-The small village of Wickersdorf, -up in the central German hills. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
-He came here with his girlfriend. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
-They both intended to write. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
-At the time, a pioneering school -was situated here... | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
-..an early version -of the Steiner School. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
-They thought it would be a -suitable place to find inspiration. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
-Many of the buildings -are still here... | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
-..but today it's a centre for people -with learning disabilities. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
-The peace and tranquillity remain. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-It appeared that Goronwy Rees -would become an author. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
-He published a novel, -The Summer Flood... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
-..partly based on his own life. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
-It discussed the love -of a man towards his cousin... | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
-..and included a gay character. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
-He started writing -for The Guardian and The Spectator. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
-A second novel was being written. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
-Writing books is the only thing -I'm serious about... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
-..and I think mine is good. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
-The summer of 1932 -sounded almost idyllic. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
-Goronwy Rees and his girlfriend -spent time walking in the woods. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
-They were amazed at the beauty -of the countryside and the village. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
-There were only two shadows. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
-The bouts of depression -Goronwy endured... | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
-..and the dark political clouds -that gathered over Germany. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
-Part of the depression stemmed from -his mother's death a year earlier. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
-She forgave him everything -and he adored her. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
-He wrote in a letter to a friend... | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
-..that life was unbearable -without her. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
-He was also worried about Germany. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
-The Depression -shattered the Golden Age... | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
-..and extremists were benefitting. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
-Two new names became prominent - -Adolf Hitler and Nazism. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
-Goronwy Rees visited Berlin -to see for himself. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
-Hitler had an army -of 400,000 unofficial soldiers... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
-..attacking -and even killing detractors... | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
-..especially Jews and socialists. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
-The Nazis were brutal -and unrelenting... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-..but many German people -welcomed them. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
-During the chaos -that followed the Depression... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
-..they offered law and order -and some popular policies. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
-Then came the election -on the final day of July 1932. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
-14 million Germans -voted for the Nazi Party. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
-It had more power -than any other party had ever had. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
-The gloves were well and truly off. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
-How could a country -as open as Germany in the 1920s... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
-..turn to someone like Hitler -within three or four years? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
-That's a difficult question -to answer. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
-Of course, you could say,... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
-..that we face similar times today. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
-What's gone wrong when someone -like Donald Trump assumes power? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
-At the beginning of the 1930s... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
-..you had -the Great Depression in America. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
-Germany relied on America -for financial aid. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
-The German economy shrunk... | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
-..and a lot of people -were unemployed again. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
-At that point, -you had the Nazi Party... | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
-..a right-wing party, being elected -to the Reichstag for the first time. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
-That was a huge shock. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
-You had a dictatorship -to all intents... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
-..under the guise -of a republican government... | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
-..throughout the 1930s. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
-You then had -the propaganda machine... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
-..similar to what we see -with some people today. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
-In 1934, Goronwy Rees -spent the winter in Berlin. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
-It was cold in many ways. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:56 | |
-Hitler's soldiers -controlled the streets. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
-Hundreds of thousands of people -were persecuted and imprisoned. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
-The press -had been completely smothered. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
-As a result, -people were apathetic... | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
-..and grateful to see -some sort of order. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
-For Goronwy, -it was a city of ghosts. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
-He saw both the ghosts of the past -and the ghosts of the future. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
-Here what seems -a nightmare in London... | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
-..is the sober, everyday reality. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
-No mercy, no pity, no peace, neither -humanity, nor decency of kindness. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
-Only madness, shouted every day on -the wireless and in the newspapers. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
-60 million people -proud to be governed... | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
-..by a gang of murderous animals. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
-During that winter in Berlin -in 1934... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
-..Goronwy Rees undertook -secret political work. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
-He had a socialist friend at a time -when there were few socialists. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
-Goronwy helped him distribute -pamphlets and information... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
-..to Hitler's opponents -across the city. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
-Goronwy acknowledged that this -was a romantic undertaking... | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
-..but his friend -was risking his life. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
-Goronwy Rees realised that only -an outside force could stop Hitler. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
-The Nazis had complete control -of the press and information. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
-People accepted their truth. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
-In a Berlin rally, he heard Hitler -brainwashing the crowd... | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
-..creating unbearable tension, -playing on their fears... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
-..and feeding their secret hopes. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
-Who knows, if I had not been -inoculated in childhood... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
-..against the tricks of oratory, -I might have succumbed myself. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
-Goronwy was connected -to the two greatest movements... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
-..that affected Europe and the world -during the 20th century. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
-He saw the rise of Nazism in Germany -and it frightened him. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
-Then came Communism. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
-In Oxford, it was fashionable -to dabble in socialism. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
-During the 1930s, Goronwy -followed the ideology of Karl Marx. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
-His relationship with Russia -was complex. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
-Like the spy, Guy Burgess, -he considered himself a socialist... | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
-..but he didn't agree -with everything the Communists did. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
-However, he believed that Russia -could challenge the Nazis. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
-Enough to spy for them? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
-Whatever the answer, in 1939, -Russia signed a deal with Germany... | 0:22:29 | 0:22:34 | |
-..promising not to fight. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
-For Goronwy Rees, that was the end. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
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-Goronwy Rees sensed the storms -of World War II approaching... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
-..on seeing Hitler in Berlin. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
-He'd hoped to see Russia -standing up to Nazism... | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
-..but was left disappointed. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
-The pact between -Hitler and Stalin in 1939... | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
-..signalled the end -of Goronwy's flirtation with Russia. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
-Any doubts about his attitude -were now forgotten. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
-After seeing Hitler in action, -he was ready to fight. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
-Surprisingly for some -of his friends... | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
-..months before the start -of World War II, he decided to act. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
-He joined the TAs, -the territorial army... | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
-..the voluntary reserve army. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
-Goronwy Rees described -his division of the TAs as rabble. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
-It was an excuse for him -not to take it too seriously. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
-He gave the impression that it was a -surprise when he was commissioned... | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
-..to join the regular army as -an officer with the Welch Fusiliers. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
-He went to join the upper classes -at Sandhurst Military College. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
-In the army, Goronwy Rees -met 19-year-old Margie Morris. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
-She drove a lorry -as part of the war effort. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
-She was different -to the privileged, academic girls... | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
-..he'd been with before. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
-His friends were wary - there was -an age gap and they were different. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
-Everything happened so quickly. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
-They were married in December 1940. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
-The great womaniser later said this. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
-It turned out to be -the happiest marriage... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
-..one could possibly have had. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
-This place was cleared -relatively recently. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
-It's a fort built 120 years ago -to protect London... | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
-..following tensions with France. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
-It was used during World War II. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
-In the bowels of this hill, -there's a network of tunnels... | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
-..dug by South Wales miners | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
-The tunnels lead to the war room -of General Montgomery... | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
-..and the mansion where he lived. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
-The tunnels are now closed and -no-one's sure what's left behind. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
-Like Goronwy's life, -there's a little mystery. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
-Montgomery was one -of the army's heads... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-..responsible for defending -South-east England. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
-Goronwy joined him -in Reigate, Surrey. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
-He was chosen -because of his sharp mind. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
-This building, a hotel commandeered -by the army, housed the officers. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:30 | |
-Goronwy had special duties -and worked closely with Montgomery. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
-Often, late at night, -he would meet Montgomery... | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
-..while he lay in his bed -in his flannelette pyjamas. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
-Montgomery had chosen Goronwy -as his link... | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
-..between himself and the leaders -of the armed forces... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
-..as they organised an attack... | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
-..that should have changed -the course of the war. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
-They planned to attack a beach -in Northern France. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
-Goronwy had researched -maps and postcards... | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
-..anything available with -information about Dieppe, Normandy. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
-The aim was to capture the port -for a short time... | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
-..to show that Britain was serious -about fighting on mainland Europe. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
-August 19, 1942, was the date. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
-The day of Operation Jubilee. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
-The ships sailed overnight. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
-The aim was to attack -at the break of dawn. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
-By then, -Goronwy Rees was a mere observer... | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
-..but he saw more than enough. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
-A strange, round object in the sea. -He realised it was a soldier's head. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
-He saw a look of surprise -on the face of a nearby soldier. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
-When he fell, he realised why. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
-A piece of metal had sliced his leg -clear above the knee. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
-Then there was chaos on the beaches. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
-As much as one could see, the troops -had failed to clear the beaches... | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
-..the tanks -had not penetrated the town... | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
-..the men on the beaches -were exposed to a murderous fire. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
-This is where the carnage happened. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
-Goronwy's ship was out -towards the west. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
-Every now and then, he glimpsed -the beach through the smoke. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
-He could see the landing vehicles -lying here in pieces. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
-He could see the large tanks -stuck in the gravel... | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
-..but from his viewpoint, he -couldn't see the hundreds of bodies. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
-He later saw -some of the soldiers who survived. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
-I thought this is what -a beaten army looks like. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
-No army is beaten until it loses -faith in those who command it. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-These men had, at that moment... | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
-..and it would be a long time -before they recovered it again. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
-Without a need -to shoot skywards beforehand... | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
-..the German guns -were all in place, fully loaded. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
-They targeted the boats and soldiers -as they reached the beach. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
-1,179 soldiers were killed -within a few hours... | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
-..an expensive price to pay -for learning a few lessons. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
-According to some historians, -it did change the course of the war. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:31 | |
-It delayed the D-Day landings -for another two years. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
-By then, Goronwy Rees was in London -working for the secret service. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
-He enjoyed the company -of old friends... | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
-..especially Guy Burgess -who worked in the Foreign Office. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
-He says that nights in Burgess' flat -were like a French farce. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
-A tide of men, -from soldiers to civil servants... | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
-..going in and out of bedrooms -before sharing political secrets. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
-I felt like a tired businessman... | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
-..who had taken an evening off -to visit a strip-tease club. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
-He returned to Germany -after the war... | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
-..to an area -controlled by the British army. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
-He was then a Lieutenant Colonel... | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
-..part of the team sharing political -information with General Montgomery. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
-It was a similar situation... | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
-..to the end of the recent -Afghanistan or Iraq conflicts. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
-A new order -needed to be established. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
-Goronwy's work was to understand -the situation and offer ideas... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
-..but he was granted complete peace -for a week and a life of luxury. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
-The British army had a base here... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
-..the quiet spa town -of Baden Oeynhausen. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
-It hadn't been affected by the war. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-As Goronwy stated, it was like -stationing an army in Llandrindod. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
-At the end of World War I, -Germany was split into four... | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
-..under the control -of different countries. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
-Britain was responsible -for North-west Germany. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-Within two months -of the end of the war... | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
-..Goronwy Rees -was sent to gather information. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
-I began to understand -the man who said... | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
-..that war may be hell -but defeat is worse. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
-Goronwy Rees -travelled from place to place... | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
-..talking to army officers -to determine how the wind blew. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
-In one place, he was given a list. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
-Farmers' concerns about their crops -and people's concerns about food. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
-The biggest problem -was the scattered population... | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
-..and the thousands of slaves the -Nazis had forced to work for them. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
-They were now -wandering around the country... | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
-..without feeling -a responsibility for anything. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
-Germans also had their problems. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
-Goronwy Rees saw British soldiers -helping people... | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
-..they were trying to kill -a few weeks earlier. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
-The journey around Germany... | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
-..began to feel -like an unpleasant fairy-tale. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
-Goronwy turned to Welsh mythology -to try and describe the experience. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
-It was similar -to one of the Mabinogi tales. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
-Pryderi and Manawydan wandering -around without seeing people... | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
-..animals or smoke rising from -chimneys and every house empty. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
-These buildings are rare. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
-They are old buildings -in the centre of Dortmund. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
-If parts of rural Germany -were quiet... | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
-..the situation in -industrial areas was very different. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
-Dortmund is in the middle of -the Ruhr, the old coalmining area. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
-It drove the German economy -before World War II. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
-When Goronwy Rees arrived here, 90% -of the city centre was destroyed. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
-It was a horrific example -of what aerial bombing could do... | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
-..but he saw people returning to -the ruins to search for their homes. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
-Some opened shops -in old stores and cellars. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
-It was a small sign of how quickly -Germany would return to its feet. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
-One of the final stops -on the journey was Hamburg. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
-This is a huge military bunker, -built by the Germans... | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
-..and captured by British soldiers. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
-There were more. Radio Hamburg -was located in one of them. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
-The station broadcasted -British propaganda across the area. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
-When Goronwy arrived, -that was the problem. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
-There was only propaganda. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
-He saw a need for music -to entertain the people. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
-He also wanted to see more -newspapers and less censorship. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
-He understood the need -to satisfy German minds... | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
-..and let them know -what was happening. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
-The radio station Goronwy saw is -now the area's broadcasting centre. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
-One TV correspondent is grateful for -the role of British broadcasters. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
-They set up a new broadcasting -system in Germany... | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
-..that exists still today. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
-It's very, very good actually. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
-We're grateful for that in Germany. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
-ARD, the company I am working for, -is completely federalistic. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
-There is no main headquarter -but every Bundesland... | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
-..every regional state, has its -own branch of that kind of BBC. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
-It was the model -after which it was shaped. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
-That means that politicians -and political parties... | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
-..cannot easily influence us. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
-Goronwy Rees had seen -Hitler's control of the media. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
-Today, no leader of a party can -control them to spread propaganda. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
-Memories of Nazism influence -many facets of German life. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
-The whole attitude towards Europe -has been mainly influenced... | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
-..by the German experience of what -we did, or they did, or we did... | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
-..in the Second World War. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:07 | |
-I mean, the way people, -especially in West Germany... | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
-..were taught at school, like me, -about rise of the Fascism... | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
-..and how it could happen and why -it should never happen again... | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
-..has influenced the attitude -of German politicians since '45. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:25 | |
-In terms of the people, -the part of the population... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
-..that believed in Hitler -realised what war was. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:35 | |
-Groessenwahn is the German -word we use. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
-The desire to control the world - -what had it done to their country? | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
-If the 1930s remain a shadow -over Germany... | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
-..they would also return -to haunt Goronwy Rees. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
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-Straight after World War II... | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
-..Goronwy travelled -across one part of Germany... | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
-..recounting the destruction -and new life. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
-He was part of the army's -information service. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
-At the age of 36, -married with two daughters... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-..his time as a soldier -came to an end. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
-Soon, he was back in England... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
-..starting a new life. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
-Some writing and then two jobs. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-One helping a friend run a company -called Pontifex... | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
-..and another -working for the secret service... | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
-..keeping an eye -on Germany and Russia. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
-Pontifex in the morning, -MI6 in the afternoon. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
-Goronwy's manager in Pontifex -was once asked... | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
-..why he'd been given the work. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
-The answer - he had a bigger brain -than anyone else... | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
-..and to hide his real job, -working for MI6. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
-He spoke German fluently and -collected information about Germany. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
-He assessed reports from spies -and collected information on Russia. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
-In 1951, that role came to an end. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
-He took up a post at his -old college, All Souls, Oxford. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
-Bursar was the title, -responsible for the upkeep... | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
-..of the land and farms -of the establishment... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
-..but there was no escaping -Russia and Guy Burgess. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
-In 1951, Burgess disappeared. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
-The friend who admitted -he was spying for Russia... | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
-..and had asked Goronwy to join him. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
-Burgess was godfather -to one of Goronwy's children. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
-They also named the cat Burgess. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
-Burgess' final phone call before -disappearing was to his old friend. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
-Much of Rees' story revolves around -his relationship with Burgess. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
-They enjoyed each other's company. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
-They drank together -and shared secrets. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
-In the '30s, Goronwy Rees -knew that Guy Burgess... | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
-..and a far more respectable man -named Anthony Blunt... | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
-..were spies working for Russia. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
-However, he told no-one. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
-Later, -he tried to explain his actions. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
-Unless one was absolutely sure, -friendship counted for more. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:30 | |
-You couldn't betray a friend except -on the ground of absolute certainty. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
-If I had been absolutely certain, -I think I would have had no doubt. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
-Since I was not certain, I didn't. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
-Then again, -according to Goronwy Rees... | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
-..when Burgess disappeared -in 1951... | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
-..he told MI5 that Burgess and Blunt -were both Russian spies. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
-He was interviewed by MI5 -but nothing came of it. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
-The shadow remained. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
-He was successful -back at work in Oxford. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
-As a result, he came to the -attention of Aberystwyth University. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
-They were searching -for a new principal. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
-He received a letter inviting him -to apply for the role... | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
-..an opportunity to return to -the lost paradise of his childhood. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
-Of all the mistakes he made, -the greatest was returning here. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
-This is Penglais mansion, -home of the university's principal. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
-He took up the role in 1953, -but why? | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
-He says he wanted to give -something back to Wales. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
-Did he feel a sense of guilt? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
-Was he trying to reconnect -with that lost paradise? | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
-It would turn into a disappointment. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
-Even though he returned home, in -many ways, he felt like a stranger. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
-If I had had any sense, I would -have realised that such letters... | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
-..particularly -if they come from Wales... | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
-..are never quite what they seem. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
-He was different -to the established model... | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
-..of what you'd expect -the Aberystwyth principal to be. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
-He was popular with students. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
-There was a lot -of deadwood in Aberystwyth... | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-..and he felt it was time -to move them on. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
-There was disagreement -about the college's purpose. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
-Rees wanted a place -where students... | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
-..could discuss ideas -and understand the world. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
-For others, the college's role was -to safeguard the Welsh language... | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
-..and the moral standards -of students. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
-Soon, Goronwy Rees felt stifled, by -the town and the old establishment. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
-His wife was even less happy. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
-She felt isolated, -she couldn't understand Welsh... | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
-..she couldn't understand the people -and many didn't like her. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
-Now a mother to five children, -Margie detested their home. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
-At the time, it was covered in grey -cement, the interior was lifeless. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
-For Goronwy Rees, -his enemies in Aberystwyth... | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
-..were Welsh nationalists -and chapelgoers. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
-They were too narrow-minded for him -and they were critical of him. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
-He'd promised to start -speaking Welsh again but didn't. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
-He became friends with students -while still acting as the principal. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
-He drank -in the Belle Vue Royal Hotel. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
-He wrote about homosexuality. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
-On top of everything, -he wore white socks! | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
-I remember more than once... | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
-..he would chair public lectures. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
-He did so with such brilliance. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
-I remember when Douglas Jay, -his old friend, visited him. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
-A grand dinner was arranged -at the mansion. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
-I was a student at the time. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
-As a distant cousin, -he invited me to join them. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
-It was a wonderful evening. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
-I walked down and heard his voice -thundering all around. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
-"I've got 32 professors -in this place. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
-"Do you know, half the buggers -dead from the neck up." | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
-I told myself, "Dear me, -I know what I'll be discussing... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
-.."tomorrow morning -in the senior common room." | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
-He could be impudent at times. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
-Then the dramatic event. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
-The spark was Guy Burgess once more. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
-In 1956, five years -after his disappearance... | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
-..he reappeared in Moscow. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
-Everyone now knew that he was a spy. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
-How many more were there? | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
-How many would be in danger -if Guy Burgess spoke out? | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
-Anthony Blunt, certainly, -and maybe Goronwy Rees. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
-The principal of Aberystwyth -University struck first... | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
-..to undermine his old friend. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
-What put the kybosh on things -were anonymous letters... | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
-..that appeared -in The People Sunday newspaper. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
-Everyone knew -that Goronwy Rees was the author. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
-He'd been writing memoirs -about Guy Burgess... | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
-..showing how close they were -and how much he knew. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
-Rees wanted to expose Burgess -as an unscrupulous liar. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
-Was money the motivation -for publishing the articles? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
-He was paid 2,700 for the stories. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
-Or was he trying to protect himself? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
-Attacking Burgess in case he exposed -Goronwy Rees' role in the 1930s. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
-His biggest mistake was giving the -information to a tabloid newspaper. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
-He angered his Oxford friends for -betraying one of the selected few. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
-He also gave his enemies -in Aberystwyth a target. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
-Goronwy's explanation -was that he wanted to defend... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
-..the safety of the British Isles. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
-Because I felt I knew -a great deal about this case... | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
-..and I thought the security -services themselves... | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
-..had handled the case -extremely incompetently... | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
-..that had not pursued -their inquiries far enough... | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
-..and I was determined that -I should put it down on paper... | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
-..so that everybody could read. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
-The 'everybody' included -the university's authorities. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
-University President -Sir David Hughes Parry claimed.... | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
-..that Rees offered his resignation -but Rees denied this. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
-After some debate on whether Rees -had offered to resign... | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
-..there was an inquiry -at the request of 12 professors. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
-Years later, Rees felt the inquiry -was a way to get rid of him... | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
-..not for the Burgess affair -but for three other sins. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
-One that you are a Communist, -two that you are homosexual... | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
-..and three that you gave the -undergraduates a glass of sherry. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:15 | |
-I never knew -which was the worst crime. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
-But you only plead -guilty to the third? | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
-Within eight months, the report. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
-There was nothing untoward -about Goronwy Rees' work... | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
-..but the articles in The People -were lewd and scandalous. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
-He'd put his interests -before those of the university. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
-Many students supported him -but he had no option but to resign. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
-At the age of 45, he had -five children but no job or home. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:45 | |
-He left Aberystwyth -under that cloud. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
-It's such a pity -in so many respects. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
-He was so different, -so lively, so impudent. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
-He was a man ahead of his time. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
-The Welsh establishment -wasn't ready for Goronwy Rees. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
-Whether he was the third, fourth, -fifth or sixth spy, I don't know. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
-A magazine called Encounter -was his salvation. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
-It supported America -and was highly critical of Russia. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
-He wrote columns -on international political subjects. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
-It was an opportunity -to show his writing talent. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
-I must say, -he wrote the most brilliant prose. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
-..that I ever read. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
-It appealed to me -because he wrote about my nation... | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
-..in the most brilliant -and attractive way. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
-The way he wrote -about wheat in the sunshine. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
-Or the way he wrote -about the excitement of Berlin. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
-He wrote about things I understood -in a new, brilliant way. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
-In a room filled with portraits of -Aberystwyth University's greatest... | 0:46:03 | 0:46:08 | |
-..there is no portrait -of Goronwy Rees. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
-Every former principal is there. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
-This plaque was included -after pressure from his family. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
-Aberystwyth hasn't forgiven him. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
-Goronwy Rees did get some revenge. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
-On his deathbed, at the age of 70, -he watched a TV news item. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
-Margaret Thatcher was announcing -to the House of Commons... | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
-..that Anthony Blunt, Guy Burgess' -friend, was a Russian spy. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
-The government had known since 1964. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
-Goronwy Rees celebrated -with a bottle of champagne... | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
-..and the words, -"Got you, you swine." | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
-It's got you, Goronwy, now. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
-In 1999, it became clear that -Russia had a file on Goronwy Rees... | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
-..and that he had two codenames, -Gross and Fleet. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
-Many had their suspicions, -now they knew. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
-For a short period of time, Rees -had shared information with Russia. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
-They weren't major secrets, -just information... | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
-..about the views of the British -cognoscenti at All Souls, Oxford. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
-Goronwy Rees' life raises -many interesting questions. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
-I want to know -how much spying did he do and why? | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
-And what was his relationship -with the Welsh language and culture? | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
-He travelled extensively. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
-He left Aberystwyth -halfway through his childhood. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
-Later, he turned his back on -everything Aberystwyth represented. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
-I'd like to think that maybe, -just maybe... | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
-..he was playing a kind -of double agent with his own soul. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
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