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Mon, 14 Mar 2016

Bydd Meinir yn holi'r Prif Weinidog David Cameron am y Refferendwm Ewropeaidd. Meinir will have an exclusive interview with the PM, David Cameron, discussing the European Refere...


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-Hello and a very warm welcome

-to Ffermio.

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-We're at the Anglesey Show Pavilion

-to mark an important milestone...

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-..for Emyr Evans'

-agricultural machinery company.

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-But we start

-with a Ffermio exclusive.

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-Meinir interviewed British

-Prime Minister David Cameron...

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-..during an FUW-organized visit

-to a farm in the Dee Valley.

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-I'm on Tyfos Farm

-in Llandrillo, Denbighshire...

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-..as local farmers get a chance

-to discuss the topic of the day...

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-..whether to stay or leave Europe...

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-..with the Prime Minister, no less.

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-Prime Minister,

-why should we remain in Europe?

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-I think we're going to be better off

-in a reformed Europe...

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-..stronger in a reformed Europe

-and safer in a reformed Europe.

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-For farming, I think the arguments

-are absolutely nailed on.

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-We have unrestricted, quota-free,

-tariff-free, tax-free access...

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-..to a market of 500 million

-consumers across Europe.

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-90% of the Welsh beef and lamb

-that is exported...

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-..goes to the other

-European countries.

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-Why give that up?

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-Why put that at risk when the people

-who want us to leave...

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-..can't tell us what sort of access

-we'd have to that market?

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-We know what we've got now.

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-Let's keep going with making sure

-the regulations are simpler...

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-..farm payments are made faster...

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-..and we invest in this brilliant

-industry where we produce...

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-..some of the cleanest and best meat

-and food anywhere in the world.

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-If the British public decide

-they want to come out of Europe...

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-..is there a plan B for farmers?

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-..is there a plan B for farmers?

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-Absolutely.

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-We'd have to put in place

-a farm support system...

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-..because we wouldn't have

-an agricultural industry...

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-..as strong as we do.

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-We wouldn't have countryside

-as beautiful as we do...

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-..if we didn't keep Britain farming.

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-As Prime Minister, I'd always want

-to keep Britain farming.

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-Those who want us to leave

-should be the ones spelling out...

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-..what they think

-that system will be like.

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-If you're going

-to leave this organization...

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-..why should the other 27 members

-suddenly turn round...

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-..and give you a great deal

-for access to their market?

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-At the moment, we're a net importer

-of agri food products from Europe...

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-..importing twice as much

-as what we were exporting to Europe.

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-Wouldn't it be better

-for us to take the Brexit option?

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-Not at all.

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-Of course, we're selling a lot in,

-we buy a lot out.

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-But at the end of the day...

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-..if we leave, we don't know

-the access that we'd get.

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-Because we're responsible...

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-..just take one industry

-in agriculture, sheep...

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-..we are responsible for 40%

-of Europe's sheep production.

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-If we leave, can we be certain...

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-..that others wouldn't want

-to grab that share off us?

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-I don't think we can be,

-so I would say, stay in...

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-..because we know what we get with

-a market of 500 million consumers.

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-One man who has been pivotal

-in organizing this FUW event...

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-..is Huw Jones,

-the Meirionnydd county officer.

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-I think we've had a very good day.

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-Staying in Europe is vital

-for the agricultural industry.

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-It's crucial for our future.

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-We're the only union

-to have stated that from the outset.

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-A substantial fall is foreseen

-in basic payments over coming years.

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-Wouldn't it be better

-if we did leave Europe?

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-It's true that payments from Europe

-will drop a certain amount.

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-But the truth is,

-we know fairly well...

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-..where we stand for

-the next five years, if we stay in.

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-If we did leave, we would be

-in a seriously uncertain situation.

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-What it would mean for the future

-of farming and the rural economy...

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-..scares us stiff.

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-The rural economy would disintegrate

-were this to happen.

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-How does Wales benefit

-if we do stay in Europe?

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-This is the crux of the matter,

-of course.

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-The argument is often put forward...

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-..that the UK as a whole pays more

-into Europe than we get back.

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-But importantly,

-in Wales, we do benefit.

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-We get 850 million more in

-than we pay out.

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-That's what's important,

-in the context of Wales.

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-We must remember

-how much we benefit.

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-Brothers Richard and David Williams

-farm here at Tyfos.

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-Have they decided yet?

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-For us on this farm...

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-..mostly a sheep farm

-and in the uplands...

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-..as you can see,

-it's pretty bleak here.

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-The market for lamb in Europe

-is very important to us, isn't it?

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-If we didn't have that market, I

-don't know where our lamb would go.

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-Some of it would go in this country.

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-But if we couldn't get rid of all

-the lamb, it would be a problem.

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-Prices would drop, wouldn't they?

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-Also, the subsidies

-we receive from Europe...

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-..are crucial for us

-as farmers in the uplands.

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-You haven't received yours yet.

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-No, we haven't received

-our payments yet.

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-Out of the farmers here today...

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-..eight or nine of us

-at the kitchen table...

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-..four of them

-hadn't been paid theirs either.

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-That's nearly 50%.

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-David Cameron said that it wasn't a

-problem from Westminster or Europe.

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-It was the Welsh Assembly's fault

-that those payments hadn't come.

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-We get a lot of money from Europe,

-directly and indirectly.

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-For example, in the Pillar 1 money

-we get with the single payment.

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-The average Welsh farmer...

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-..pays 100,000

-back into his community every year.

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-That's a substantial sum

-to keep people in rural Wales.

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-After today, how much faith

-do you have in David Cameron?

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-As a union, we aren't aligned

-with any political party.

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-But I'm very pleased to be able

-to work with David Cameron on this.

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-We're on the same side and working

-towards the same important goal.

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-So much bureaucracy

-adds costs to the farming industry.

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-If we came out of Europe,

-would there be less red tape?

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-I don't think

-you can guarantee that.

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-What we ought to do is,

-in Europe, reduce the red tape.

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-What my negotiations secured...

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-..is red tape reduction targets

-for all the key industry segments.

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-Also, I think

-we can learn from each other.

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-In England, we've cut

-farm inspections by 20,000.

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-We should apply some of those ideas

-in Wales and other parts of the UK.

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-Let's have fewer inspections, take

-the bureaucracy off our farmers...

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-..set them free

-to go on producing...

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-..some of the cleanest and best meat

-anywhere in the world.

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-David Cameron, Prime Minister,

-thank you very much.

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-Great pleasure.

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-Over the coming weeks, we'll look

-at this subject in more detail.

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-Twenty years ago...

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-..Emyr Evans set up his

-farm machinery business on Anglesey.

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-Until then, he sold directly

-from his farmyard in Pentrefoelas.

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-As the story starts there,

-I went to the farm to hear it.

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-Emyr Evans began selling machinery

-at Hafoty Hafod Dre, Pentrefoelas.

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-The company now employs 33 people...

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-..with Emyr's sons

-part of the management team.

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-I started in 1986.

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-I'd sell two or three every year,

-just out of interest.

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-Tractors?

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-Yes, painting old Majors

-and Massey 35s.

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-In 1996, I was offered...

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-..the Massey Ferguson agency

-for Anglesey.

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-You make it sound easy.

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-Going from selling a bit

-on the farmyard...

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-..to a big site on Anglesey

-in a decade.

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-It was a shock to the system.

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-We had to buy a site in Gaerwen.

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-Do you sell them far away?

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-We've sold some second-hand tractors

-as far as Australia.

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-Peru, Greece...

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-..and most countries in Europe.

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-Emyr is one of four brothers

-brought up on Hafod Dinbych Farm.

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-That's just across the road

-from Hafoty.

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-Three of the brothers

-work in the world of machinery.

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-Gwyndaf stayed at home to farm.

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-As Emyr spends a lot of time

-on Anglesey...

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-..Gwyndaf now farms Hafoty too.

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-Are you interested in machines?

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-Not at all.

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-All I do is break them

-and ask my brothers to fix them.

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-Emyr still lives in Hafoty,

-but you farm there now.

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-Yes, we farm Hafod Dinbych

-and Hafoty jointly.

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-What do you keep here?

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-What do you keep here?

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-Welsh Mountain sheep.

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-Mostly pure-bred, and we cross

-the old ewes with a Texel ram.

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-We have a herd

-of mostly Welsh Black cattle.

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-We have a Welsh Black bull

-and a Charolais bull.

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-You remember Gwynedd and Berwyn as

-little boys fiddling with machines.

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-They were interested

-at a very young age...

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-..and drove tractors as well.

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-They did a lot of work on the farm

-with the tractors.

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-That benefits them in business now.

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-Do you know anything

-about four wheels?

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-No, not a lot.

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-You stick to four legs.

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-You stick to four legs.

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-Yes, four legs.

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-Emyr and his wife Gwenda

-have three children...

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-..Gwynedd, Berwyn and Elliw.

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-The sons work with Emyr...

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-..Berwyn mainly in Denbigh

-and Gwynedd mostly in Gaerwen.

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-I've always been a four-wheel man.

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-Dad was a farmer when we were

-younger, farming Hafod Dinbych.

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-Dad's brothers did a lot

-with car engines, repairing them.

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-I spent most of my time with them...

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-..trying to dodge all the animals

-and learning.

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-What exactly do you do as a manager?

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-The main job is selling.

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-From day to day, I make sure

-that things get sorted.

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-We have staff working for us,

-of course.

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-There are plenty of things to do,

-but selling is the main job.

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-Who's the boss, Gwynedd?

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-Emyr?

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-Yes, he's in charge.

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-Emyr says how things should be.

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-Yes, but to be completely fair...

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-..Berwyn and I have had the freedom

-to do as we please, in a way.

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-We all speak

-every morning and evening.

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-But there's very little discussion

-during the day.

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-We do chat

-in the morning and evening.

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-When Dad started,

-the tractors were fairly simple.

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-You only needed

-a bag of spanners to repair them.

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-Today, most of the work starts with

-a laptop plugged into the tractor.

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-The tractor

-tells you what's wrong with it.

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-That means

-you need a lot of training.

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-Very often,

-no two problems are alike.

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-That has changed an awful lot.

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-How difficult is it to get

-specialist staff in your field?

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-Very difficult.

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-You can send boys on as many

-training courses as you like...

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-..but it's experience that solves

-a lot of the problems today.

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-Selling agricultural machinery

-is the mainstay of the company.

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-By doing that, they've developed

-over the last 20 years.

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-What are the concerns

-about the future?

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-I think we're in an uncertain time,

-but I'm sure it'll only be a phase.

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-We're not sure

-how long it will last.

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-The world is round,

-we'll come out the other end again.

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-As a company,

-we need to take care...

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-..and not take any large steps

-until everything settles.

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-Where do you hope to be

-in the next 20 years?

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-Still in Gaerwen,

-still in North Wales.

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-We hope to expand

-the range we currently sell...

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-..and pick up

-one or two other manufacturers.

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-Still involved with agriculture.

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-This year will be quite hard.

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-Hopefully, these next years,

-we'll be back to the way we were.

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-That's it for now.

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-After the break,

-more of these big machines.

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-I'll see you then.

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-Welcome back to Ffermio

-and to the Anglesey Show Pavilion.

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-Emyr Evans' company offers

-a machinery service to farmers...

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-..across the whole of North Wales.

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-As they celebrate 20 years today...

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-..it's an opportunity for them

-to showcase the latest technology.

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-We have already met Emyr,

-Gwynedd and Berwyn...

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-..but the woman who keeps them all

-in check is Gwenda...

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-..Emyr's wife and the boys' mother.

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-Gwenda, you've been with Emyr

-from the very start.

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-In that time, you must have seen

-developments and many changes.

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-Yes, 20 years is a long time.

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-We started with Massey Fergusons

-20 years ago.

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-Did you think 20 years ago...

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-..that the business would have grown

-to what it is today?

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-Not really.

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-I didn't expect

-that we would have grown so much.

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-Most of the thanks

-should go to Gwynedd and Berwyn.

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-It's quite an emotional day.

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-I'm very proud of them.

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-It's interesting

-to see all these big machines.

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-You need a large field

-to turn them!

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-Have you seen some new things?

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-Have you seen some new things?

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-A lot of new things.

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-Farming is becoming

-a one-man-band industry.

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-That's what you think.

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-The big machines do all the work.

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-Is that a good thing?

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-Is that a good thing?

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-That's how it is.

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-Are you spending money here today?

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-Are you spending money here today?

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-I'm trying not to.

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-It's difficult not to.

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-What have you bought?

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-What have you bought?

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-A spreader.

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-This one here?

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-This one here?

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-Yes, a green one.

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-He's spent a lot!

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-He's spent a lot!

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-Yes, I've just had a row with him.

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-You have to spend to get quality.

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-In the old days, he'd have a trailer

-and a pitchfork to do the spreading.

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-Would you help him?

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-Would you help him?

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-Yes, of course.

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-You're smiling going home.

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-You're smiling going home.

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-He'll get a row when we get home.

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-No point arguing here.

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-What feedback are you getting?

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-Really good.

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-It's been a steady trade

-since we opened up.

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-A lot of people showing interest.

-Very positive.

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-If things continue like this

-for the next 20 years...

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-..you'll still be smiling.

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-..you'll still be smiling.

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-I hope so.

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-While I'm here

-among all the machinery...

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-..Alun is visiting an organic farm

-in Talybont, Aberystwyth.

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-Since 2008, the organic sector

-has faced an uncertain future...

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-..as the recession affected sales.

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-In the last year, there's been

-an improvement in the market.

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-There's been an increase of 5%.

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-What's responsible

-for that development?

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-Simon and Rhodri Lloyd-Williams have

-been farming organically since 1999.

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-They are from Foelgolomen,

-Talybont.

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-They farm 300 hectares of land...

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-..and keep over 800 Welsh mountain

-sheep and 25 Welsh Black Cattle.

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-Give us an idea of the kind of land

-on your farm. It's quite high.

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-Yes, down at the bottom

-by the house...

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-..we're around 600 feet

-above sea level.

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-The top of the farm

-is about 1,500 feet.

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-It's rough terrain.

-You can see that sat up here.

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-All of these stones you see, either

-Dad or I picked up from the fields.

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-The soil is thin.

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-When you plough a furrow...

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-..picking the rocks up afterwards

-is hard work.

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-In the organic system, it's

-important to plant seeds frequently.

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-The cattle become more important

-in terms of fertilizer production.

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-Oh, absolutely.

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-Dad usually keeps the cattle out

-through the winter.

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-Since going organic,

-we've built the sheds you've seen.

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-It's important

-to have muck to spread.

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-We'll have it out on the fields

-after lambing.

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-The sheep come out

-and then we spread the fertilizer.

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-We try to grow grass

-before the summer.

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-We also try to wait for a dry day

-to cut it too.

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-I understand you've started

-marketing Moelgolomen's produce.

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-Yes, it started slowly.

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-We'd always

-slaughtered our own lamb at home.

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-We sold a little

-to family and friends.

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-After a while, people came to me

-asking if the lambs were available.

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-We're in the middle

-of setting it all up now.

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-We have a website -

-welshmountainlamb.com

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-People can buy online and we can

-deliver across Britain now.

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-Simon, tell us to start off with...

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-..1999 came and you decided

-to convert your farm to organic.

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-What was the driver towards that?

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-Well, we've been that way inclined,

-if you like, for years.

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-We joined the first DSA schemes.

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-And through them

-into Tir Gofal...

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-..and organic

-seemed to be a natural progression.

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-As I understand...

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-..statistically, organics

-are on the up at the moment.

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-That must be good news.

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-That must be good news.

-

-It is good news.

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-I just wish that our lambs could

-be sold into the British market.

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-British supermarkets demand a

-15 kilo lamb, as every farmer knows.

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-As hill lambs,

-our lambs tend to be a bit smaller.

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-Generally, they're sold

-non-organically and abroad.

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-We sell our ewes organically and

-our cattle organically as stores...

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-..but we can't sell

-our fat lambs organically.

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-Throughout the United Kingdom...

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-..almost 2 billion

-is spent on organic produce.

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-That is only as much as 1.4%

-of the food and drink market.

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-What does the future hold

-for this sector?

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-Dafydd Owen

-works for Organic Centre Wales.

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-He's very happy

-to see the revival in the market.

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-Since 2008, the organic market

-has dropped severely.

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-It's coming back now.

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-Over the last two years,

-it's been stable and growing slowly.

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-Look at the ethical food market,

-which includes foods...

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-..that are part of schemes

-like Fair Trade, or local food.

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-That market has grown consistently

-over the last decade.

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-What we're seeing now...

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-..is that organic

-regaining its place in the market.

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-How are the different sectors doing

-now in terms of the organic market?

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-The sector that stands out

-is the dairy sector.

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-The link between the customer

-and producer...

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-..has helped maintain the price.

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-Prices have been fairly stable

-in the red meat sector.

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-During the horse meat scandal,

-it was at its highest.

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-The sector that needs most work

-is the lamb sector.

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-There was a premium but I think

-there's potential for more.

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-You say there isn't enough

-of a connection...

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-..between producers and consumers.

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-If you can connect with the customer

-they'll come back to your produce.

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-Look at French wine.

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-Wine producers say...

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-..they're from a particular estate

-in a particular area.

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-They name it

-for where it is produced.

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-Why aren't we doing

-the same thing with our lamb?

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-Talybont lamb

-tastes different to Llanddewi lamb.

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-Certainly, and Rhydymain too!

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-In 2015, 500 Welsh farms...

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-..chose to continue

-to farm organically...

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-..by signing up

-to the Glastir Organic scheme.

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-Sixty farms

-joined for the first time.

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-Let's look at the sector's

-immediate future.

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-It's on the up. Is this the way

-you see things going?

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-We have to look at our market.

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-The more money we make

-out of the market the better.

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-No-one wants to be dependent

-on subsidies.

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-I'd like to be able

-to stick two fingers up to it all.

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-It's not like that.

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-I want to see

-the economy strengthening.

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-We do care

-for the environment and our animals.

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-We farm in a way

-that cooperates with nature.

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-The value of that will come through.

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-I ask everyone

-about the future, Rhodri.

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-Your father, Simon, has given

-you carte blanche on the farm.

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-Do you have big plans?

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-There are plenty of ideas

-flying around.

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-Nothing major. Just a few tweaks.

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-Dad has recorded performance...

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-..but I do faecal egg count checks

-before I do any dosing.

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-We've also done a hydro scheme

-just before the FITs go down.

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-That might bring in

-more of a profit.

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-There's no need

-to come in and change everything.

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-It works.

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-It works.

-

-Yes, exactly. Why change it?

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-That's it from the middle

-of the machinery in Anglesey.

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-Thanks for your company.

-We hope you have a good week.

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-Until next time, goodbye.

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